Let me clarify, we all nail nails in something in life and there's nothing wrong with that, that's not what I was saying. I personally just do not get joy from that part with coding. I get joy from other things in regards to doing things just for the sake of doing it. Like working out, getting better at flying paragliders, editing videos, cooking. But when it comes to code specifically, that's not the part that gets me..I'm big picture. And if you are the person who loves code to code, more power to you. Different people different interests, it's all good..But hopefully this video explains why i don't showcase tutorials and stuff very often.
I think tech lead had a video about the fact that there are 2 kinds of coders. One - the nerdy coder who likes to tinker with the code and enjoys it as it is, the other one - biz coder who has a product in mind and uses his coding skills to make it happen.
then tell us how to break out of this working-circle... i like your stuff/content, because it is rare , that people show the real intentions of the "bosses" and CEO's and the really nasty type of manipulation, how they mindwash you, to work and work and work and forget about yourself and you life, but josh, the most of the people have to fucking pay their bills... so how to break out of this ? finde somebody with ideas and code for him ? find coding buddies and make a fucking good app everybody wants ?
You figured out in your 20's what most people don't figure out well into their 40's and 50's, saddled with regret. This is the healthiest attitude towards work one can have.
@@grimendancehall If your income is never the bottleneck in living your life, then why even chase after more money than you're comfortable in spending?
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz not chasing the money. I'm just not settling because it's easier to. I work 45 hour weeks and come home and learn how to code SQL and C# so I can build a comprehensive Enterprise Management System for the company I started as just a drafter at... also starting my own steel drafting/detailing company hopefully this summer.... I don't outright expect to make a shit load of money. But when I do... and some douchebag comes along and says that i wasted my life.... like I literally love what I do. I just don't fuck with that small scale mentality. Just do a bit here a bit there then drink a beer relax and u won't have a really hard time. I don't want that. I want what Josh thinks he's getting by avoiding work. Making work not hectic and owning the work, as well as loving it. Literally cheating the system. No longer work because what I do isn't work as a job I can quit anytime but I love to do it, partially because I'm so good at it. I could go on for ages but I gotta finish tiling my bathroom floor been slacking for months cuz im working too much. But I'm sure Josh has a million times better day to day experience than me xuz he doesn't have a 'job'
@@grimendancehall assuming you're not bullshitting, and I do believe that you are 100% bullshitting lol; you would fail with that sort of dumbass plan. It's not possible to work full time and starting two separate companies that's have nothing to do with each other.
I once told to an agent that after 8 hours of coding, the last thing I want to do outside of work is to code more. She replied 'well, you shouldn't say that'.
Fortunately I work at a company where the lead dev literally told me that on the first day, although phrased differently. If you output good code and solve problems that should be enough. It doesn't have to be your life/identity. If a carpenter were to tell you he spends all his free time hammering in more nails, you'd think he's insane. It's just a job not a way of life.
Nota, you need more passion! Everyone knows that people that don't work outside of work are trash employees! You need some Ice Cream and Pizza, to get that boost, but we can't give you those until you work 20 years in our company.
I'll say it: it's because offshore developers have cultivated this mindset and American developers are SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME WAY. You're supposed to PASSIONATE about coding. WTF!?!?!? This is why you have pedophiles, creepers and psychopaths, man. Their intimate sexual experiences are just a warm puddle on the floor in front of their computer....LOL!!!!
Exactly, this is how you are supposed to learn, you learn because of whatever you want to develop, totally agree with you, I'm not excited about code but about what I can create with code.
I am a Java guy since my college years. And i work with that languange too now. Many of my friends said " Java is old and dead , you should use JS " . I never bothered to argue. Because I don't give a shit. Honestly i will code everything that will pay my bills, and bring food to my table. If Java do that, Then I code Java, if PHP then PHP , even if is AWK the i will do it too. Coding for me is just a Job and Programming languange a tool to get that job done. It not my entire live. I don't need to think about that shits 24 hours a day lol
So from what you said it sound like you do not really enjoy your job, would it not be better to have work you actually enjoy doing? Youll have a hobby and work in one. If you like brewing the best coffee, or designing gardens, do that and be the f**in best at it. Right? Or am I the one wrong? I enjoy and love most parts of freelance software engineering and the freedom it gives me to see the world with my family. I for example find all means of transportation as a tool.
@@kamil4151 I do enjoy my job. What i mean is, i enjoy programming and developing software , But i would not "die" for it either. It just a job. A source of income. That's why i never defend Java at the silly "What is the best Programming languange/framework war " That's like to happen in discord/real life. I am not spending all my 24 hours thinking about coding or projects or courses or forums etc. because like what Josh said, "some people have other interest" even they are do a coding/programming things. It doesn't need to be their entire life. And if you said , u really enjoy it so much , and love it. And i guess probably love it more than me, Then, thats good for you.
@@jeremiahhasudungansihombin1882 I respect that. I myself do not engage either when kids argue about what lang or framework is the best because they will realise it's meaningless later on, but that is not what Josh was talking about (I guess). But sharpening your skills axe is what makes the difference. And I guess you know it by now, that neither school, neither job can keep you up with the everchanging and ever leaping software world, so there will always have to be some extra effort outside of work hours to prepare for the next contract, or your own startup, or just keep you desired in your current job. Or am I wrong here? I've been doing Java for 15 years now (plus python last 5), so there should be similarities.
@@kamil4151 yes its not josh talking about. It just me giving an example about, Myself that not really make coding/engineering the center of everything in my life, so i couldn't careless about my friends ( who apparently really into coding ) opinion. and why i do that? because i have other interest. I hope ya got what i mean. I respected you to though, we are on the same community, just do it in two different ways. I do upgrading my skilss, like read a new books edition or article or do some course in pluralsight , but when it times for my other interest, example ootball ,either it play on my sunday league team or watch my favorite team, i will not sacrifice it for coding/jobs.
@unclerandy yeah I've heard nightmares about corporate jobs in making video games. I've tried to make them myself but got kind of bored. I'll make one over the long term I'm sure.
Exactly, Josh. This is THEE reason why I had trouble with mathematics in school because the teachers didn't really explain mathematics concepts or where/how to apply it! I didn't get excited about math until I went to college!!! Once the professors explained the logic behind Math beyond Geometry..it just CLICKED for me!
I wish I was smart at math so I could become that math teacher that doesn't teach math but instead let students have fun playing games where math is just part of the game. Now I teach "creative tech" where we make 3D models and 3D print them, there's math involved but the point is to create something where math is just part of the process.
Wow, you guys really didn't see End game I guess to understand the context of the quote, it isn't about "buying future" time. It is about not being able to get back time you used in the past, not spending the time to bond with your friend, or mom, or dad, after they passed away for instance (In Tony/Howard starks case), or not being able to do that once in a life time thing you missed out on because you cannot buy that time back. The quote specifically means do not waste your every day life being absorbed with your career or you may regret or missing the important things in life.
It gets worse the more senior you get. It's the same problems and just typing. I have to change hobbies alot. Vehicles are ok, but careful sometimes you realize buying stuff is hiding deep emotional issues. You get the dopamine rush from the temporary purchase.
I agree 100% with Josh on this one, coding is a tool, that's about it for most people. I majored in EE, I didn't have much interest in coding at all, but I'm absolutely enthusiastic about making electronics. When I see those extremely cool "smart" devices, of course I wanted to be able to build them myself. So I easily overcame my lack of interest in coding, quickly picked up assembly and C/C++(pretty much what you learn as a EE major in school) writing firmware for STM32 microcontrollers. In the following years, I taught myself rtos and linux, to be able to use more powerful SOCs. When I realized I need to write applications for my devices, I learned python, GUI, SQL, etc. I end up learning pretty much everything I need of CS, just from the information you can get on google, without actually going to school for it, in about 3 years. So my advice to those stuck in tutorial hell: find something you want to build, that you're passionate about, then just find a way to implement it, using whatever language, tool, technology that's available.
As an auto mechanic, I hate working on cars now, I can imagine as a programmer there is nothing more exciting than turning wrenches and building something more visceral (knowing of course that there’s no customer expectation in doing your own projects) Change is good, experience is better. I use these analogies all the time. Great content dude.
Expectations on services seem to be surreal nowadays. "The expert will know", "The expert can do this eyes closed", "Why is it taking so long?", "How did you not manage to do the fix that I (me, me ,me ,me, me, me) need?". Systems keep getting more complex every day. Before complaining, try five times to do the thing yourself.
I relate to this video on a spiritual level, and the fact that you (wayyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of me on my coding journey,) voiced this sort of thought gives me some sense of relief man.
the bit about marketing. spot on. I learned some digital marketing and realized it's way easier to understand than intense programming, but can make far more money.
Great quality rant video, with an O.K. message! As a psychologist, I have to add a tiny extra info to this. Most people dont have friends, dont have intimate relationships with the other gender (or same, as preffered), since school was over. These people are LONELY as fck. This makes them getting over-attached to 2 things: -Cooworkers (To ease the lonelyness and in hope to find a partner.) -Work (To cope, and dont think about how lonely and sexualy starved they are.) Josh is a good looking, musclar men, but he is by far the minority. He has a BSc, good info-tech career, and a (few) already successful business. Having a fulfilling sexual life as well. This is by FAR FAR FAR the minority, for reasons so complicated, I would rather not explain them. I would rather not over explain it, so I just add 1 last thing. Unconsciously, Josh doing the same thing as most CEO (successful people) doing, getting detached from the people "under" him in the given hierarchy pyramid. People on the bottom, these people dont have lifes. Never had. Most likely don't even know how to have one. They are adult infants, who are being treated as infants.
Ive seen the same thing that you describe in places I worked. The "elite programmer" types generally have no intimate relationships, very few friends, very little social skills and latch onto work entirely because they believe that the high paycheck and good standing within the company somehow makes them more socially valuable in other aspects of life. With that being said, I dont think being a workaholic is bad in some circumstances. If you are an entrepreneur/founder of a company, a doctor or doing something really important like being a navy seal or becoming an astronaut, I respect that and can understand the workaholism. I dont understand the workaholism in climbing the corporate ladder to one day become a middle manager. When someone asked me at my previous company "PW, dont you want to be a manager here some day", I laughed and knew that my time there was very limited from that moment on
@@pwbets6386 You responded to my comment, but did not respond to my comment at all. I said the reason why people become as you said "workaholic". But never said if it is good or bad. I simply pointed out, the fact that this is an unavoidable path of life for many and companies hunting these lost, miserable individuals, to employ them forever. It has NOTHING to do with paychecks. It is the way of life, they always knew, plus the only form of bonding they always knew. In short.
Also, there is no $ in PHP. Seriously though, this happened to me 3-4 years ago. I got sick web dev and got into hobby electronics, wood working, robotisting etc. But, I had to resort to coding to pay the bills. Now I am burnt out, get ptsd from just looking at an editor and lost the will to live. Damn it, just let me make stuff, family!
Life gotta have Meaning. As a teacher I taught my scheduled subjects, always also to enhance life-skills, I helped my students grow, deepen their self-esteem, better connecting with others, tolerance, communication, self-reliance, how to take on a task that made their world a better place in widening circles, finding their vocation. When school-authorities tried to make the Meaning of my job impossible I quit teaching. Nevertheless I am still finding Meaning in efforts to do my bit to make the world a better place, for me, for my nearest and dearest, and for people and living beings in general. In other words: I understand you, Joshua, 100%, and I think your rant is very meaningful, understandable, and a huge step forward towards your next growing phase. So what are you personally passionate about now and how can you promote it? Would you like to help the FireBrigade, build mutual insurance and financial security, or monitoring nature so it isn't destroyed? Something quite else? The question about 'passion and deepest values' is a good one, but it is a plague when it is trivialized and commercialized. Thank you so much for your videos! Keep them coming, please!
this video resonates with me so much. it’s why I’ve never been able to sit down and learn stuff I don’t want to learn and I just flat out refuse to do it. the tie-in with marketing being 90% of what sells a product is so true too…it’s why good salespeople make so much money
You hit the nail on the head with this one. That’s why I get bored with programming in school because a lot of what we do is BORING and USELESS. Like yes, we need to know the fundamentals, but how can I get a job with all this?
"I want to make cool shit", dude that's exactly what I thought when I started going into animation!!! Other people in my classes say they want to work for Pixar or so and so company I was just so disconnected...
I liked the video. Liked and subscribed. I am 35 years old software developer. Due some reasons, I had different jobs until I am 30. There was a career gap so I focuseed on programming, which is my dream job since the day we bought a PC in 1999. I started learning programming on my own, reading some PDFs. I got up so early and really was eager to learn. I was consuming lots of knowledge and trying to use them on simple projects. Then I got my first job in March, 2020, as a React Native Developer. Then I worked on web client and server side. But for the last 6 months, I am lost. I am no more motivated, I don't wanna work fulltime and chain my self to the projects I don't find interesting. I am tired of learning libraries, tech tricks to solve strange errors/meet requirements. My dream after trying several ideas, succeeding in one of them and turning this into a "Passive Income. That's all, and I believe programming has become so bloated nowadays. I still love my job, but there are too many side things that distract you to the main point.
I completely agree with you. I was so passionate about coding before college, then when I entered college full time and ended up graduating... I didn’t want to code anymore. I was so burnt out. So I decided to pick up a job as a 3D artist. I loved it at first because I loved sculpting... but honestly, I feel like working for a company just ruined my hobby. Art jobs will low ball you with salaries (I’m sure all companies do that anyways). I don’t want to work on my 3D models outside of work anymore. But now I don’t take my job seriously anymore, and I’m a lot happier. I just get my work done, take a lot of breaks, hangout with my family without the work stress and work on my music. Doing the things that make me happy. Point of the story, stop taking your job so seriously. Separate it from your personal life. Work less if you can. Spend time with family. Do things you LOVE. Also, I highly recommend Jordan Peterson lectures. He made me see the things I was missing in my life.
Dude.... I have been developing for 6 years and I think you just blew my fkn mind. I think I don't give a shit about code but the end product. God damn... I need to delve into this. And your "I don't give a shit!" line made me fkn smile like crazy :D Also, you talk about ideal job made me realize I have the perfect job. It is fkn boring but I have so much free time and I get bonus based on the profits of the company. THanks man.. You are my new fkn hero!
Farming is one of the hardest and most under-appreciated jobs on this ball. Requiring so much useful knowledge spanning industries and sustains a family and his community. You can’t be an idiot and be a farmer.
That's true in priciple, and it completely depends on the kind of farm it is about - applying monoculture, artificial fertilizers, and pesticide round-up, is the horror for all but the profit-collectors. As consumers we must take care to really support the farmers you have in mind; Troy. We also need supervision of the labels for Fair Trade and ecological farming. One has to be as aware in this field as Joshua in his. I wonder if there isn't coding opportunities to monitor production there.
@@DNA350ppm I'm generally about organics. We have many Amish farmers in the area and I don't believe they use pesticides. They dont even use tractors, Lol, just horses.
@@troymitchel4790 The Amish sure have many great farming traditions. There was a development called High farming, where for example crop rotation substituted for moderned industrialized farming - but regrettably High farming was marginalized by agrobusiness that had quick-solutions to sell. In his books John Seymour has tried to keep up the spread of knowledge about this - as I think - REAL farming. The prohibition of family-planning was one of the factors that was a nail in the family-farms' coffins and made them unprofitable. All of us should understand more about farming, though city-dwellers, because food and water are for ever essential to life, and we should pay what it takes to bring us real, healthy produce.
Bro...I started programming computers a LOOOONG time ago. Before you were born, bro. Hell...we didn't call the shit that I did CODING back then. We called it programming. Roundabout the first dot com crash I fucking stopped doing it because I lost my job and discovered that I could be let go like anyone else. Up until that time, programming jobs were BULLETPROOF. Finding jobs was hard because apparently, we were now in direct competition with offshore developers who were fucking working for the equivalent of a bag of grain every month to slam code. Fuck that. Programming for me was done to make $$$$. It still is but some people are obsessed with it thinking that the jobs you get from it are BULLETPROOF. Funny how shit comes back around. I feel you, bro. Fuck coding. You are contributing to humanity by shitting on corporate malfeasance. It needs to be exposed and more people need to know and understand what is going on here. Keep up the good work, bro!!!!!!!!!!!
Your rants are so effective, they’re cathartic for your audience. Keep it up Josh, those of us that are dissatisfied with the way things are in our corporate culture and aspire to treating each other with more respect and more down to earth honesty that doesn’t inject toxic positivity into the mix need you.
This video really resonated. I’ve loved skateboarding my entire life and now as I’m in the tech word and have a busy family life I no longer have time to even skate. Thanks for sharing your perspective! BTW sick drive away outro haha
Damn, when I get overwhelmed from coding and learning new stuff. sometimes I forget what is really important to me I stress out if can't understand something or write good code like my coworkers, but in the end you totally right nothing of that matters.
Thank you, Josh! You just sounded exactly my thoughts about coding and job, 1 to 1. I'm glad that I'm not just the one, who thinks so. Gives me a little hope. Unfortunately, almost 95% of projects, I'm worked with, suffered from shitty management, so working with those projects and those people was like a huge pain in the ass.
@john doe It's true. That's why collaborating with others, distributing the burden, using 'power tools' to speed things up is part of the arsenal. All we can really do.
2 years later and I come across this video during my senior year of uni as a CS student and I really couldnt agree more with this video. Ive been stressed and worried because truly, from the bottom of my heart, I dont want my job to define who I am. I dont want it to be my entire life and honestly I dont care that much about coding or software devlopment or getting into deep discussions about tech like what the best programming language is or something similar like most of my peers. Yeah, i love what I study, and I try to learn, but I also just want a job and want to work to live. Not the other way around. I'd rather focus on my small IoT projects or 3d Printing hobbies and learning to ride a motorcycle than sit all day trying to learn EVERYTHING in a constantly growing industry and getting depressed when imposter syndrome hits and I feel like Im wasting my time because Im not as nearly as good as everyone else. At the end of the day, I just wanna live, and have a job that'll help me do that while also being something remotely interesting and isnt completely mindless. At 21 years old, I dont feel as I have lived much given that I havent gone out much and gained any experiences. So the thought of never fixing that because I'd be inside all day cramming in videos and online tutorials just to catch up to others and put it on my resume ruins my mood. As my time as a college student slowly come to an end, I can only hope my doubts and worries fade, at least just a little bit
I'm studying to become a network enginner to make a bit more money, just to be able to work less in the future. I hate working so much that I need to work on it to get it to work.
I have been saying that for 5 years now and still, nobody listens to me, even though it is the fact. I can't even understand people nowadays. The decision of people....make no sense
That is exactly what should be done - involving all workers in a good way in the job they are doing and the part they are playing in the community. We should all be grateful that there are stores with things we need, if in addition they care about quality, a contact with the customers, and their health, it's more meaningful. People not profit in fokus.
Agree and feel this rant on a deep level after working in the tech industry for a number of years.... and just working jobs in general too. Tried to brush up on my outdated coding skills during lockdown and had a hair pulling experience. I realized the entire industry is not for me. And that's perfectly OK.
Working from home long back in the 90’s I learned to take part-time social jobs like barista wherever I lived... it got me out of the office/studio and tuned to locale. Lately, I have been doing construction and painting and glad to haul four-by-eight ply up and down stairs all day. I enjoy the mental work, but deeply disappointed in tech world for some time and find most tech work ephemeral and no longer a model to enrich everyone. Truthfully, I watched the libertarian freedom loving cypherpunk internet flex it’s newfound wealth in the 90’s and then political power… and this freaked the Blue Bloods who sent their children Digital, and then funded them, to seize control of our industry. The secretary can’t get stock options anymore, because the opportunity-hoarders have choked the returns. Your living their serfdom dream and why I enjoy your voice.
Man! Thank you for clarifying all this. I went through so much confusion in college because it felt like when you asked questions or watched tutorials there was no clear path on why or what a language or library is used for. This perfectly describes a majority of the confusion developers go through.
Amen!!!! Again, took the words out of my mouth. Coding is ultimately boring, I learned it out of duty while at uni, I understand it but it is mighty boring to be sat looking at lines. The building is the actual ultimate goal. Keep the good work man.
Thank f*ck someone else is saying this. I have been telling myself these exact words every single day for at least the past year. Hell I'm not even graduated yet but the job experience I've had in the computer science field has just blatantly *sucked*. Everyday I'm waiting for the clock to hit 5 PM, all the while trying not to fall asleep at my desk, even on a full night's sleep. Trying to scope out what I can do with my interests, but man where I am now is not where I want to be. Thanks for this. At least it helps knowing I'm not the only one.
I work in Software Development (Not a dev but an Automation QA) and these videos are why I've been subbed to your channel for a couple years now. You always speak facts Josh and say what most of us are feeling. Everything you say about these jobs and this corporate environment is completely accurate.
appreciate your truth and no bullshit honesty. industry gets too wrapped in the technicalities / craft, and you will never be free from system unless you pursue big picture mindset.
Nice video. I'm working on a few projects that are well beyond my skill level and I use any tools I need to get them done. Definitely my favorite way of learning. I like the problem-solving aspect of it.
Accurate, using the tools to build something is where all the excitement comes from because you know you built something you wanted to, you successfully put it together and made it work, I agree with this 100 percent.
This is what differentiates great coders, they know many tools they did not have to use so far, ready to spare a lot of time when the time is right. If you never walked through hardware store and tried stuff, you might not know how much more efficient you can be with the right tools.
I think you hit the nail in the head. At first I thought I was passionate about coding as well, but I realized that I was passionate about the PROJECTS I did when I was coding. I enjoy making my own video games, websites, aps, and such, as much as I enjoy making art. Making stuff is fun. I don't know if that enjoyment will transfer over int developing a corporate app or something like that.
It's refreshing to hear this from someone else, I started to think I had some deficiency when I couldn't conjure up the same enthusiasm as my colleagues about work life. My colleagues always know about organization changes, who is the new VP, they read all the yammer updates and watch every webcast on how our "digital transformation" is going. I just don't care about this stuff but all this time I thought I was too dumb to keep up with all the 'new and exciting changes' to this organization. I do however seem to have the attention span for stuff I'm interested in and passionate about, and about 100% of those projects are stuff I do outside of wage slavery.
That's actually what I did: I learned the minimum of VueJS and aced the interview and got the job! To be honest, I had some interest in VueJS. But since I know I have the job I do not care about the framework at all. It is kind of weird but makes sense because I just need it for the job. Anyway - keep on doing your videos! They help!
As an engineer without the degree, I can agree. It isn't the code that gets me excited for making a distro. It's the vision, accomplishments and just the notion of it coming together (the project i mentioned above). In other words, i don't care about algorithms, data structures or any of that. I care about getting it done and planning it.
Was about to rage in the comment, but then he is totally right. I'm a game programmer and I always saw code as a tool to make games, I can find cool and exciting ways to make games better, but in the end, it's all about the end result. A paint artist is not excited by paint, they're excited about what they do with it.
Sounds to me like you should make a course, that actually tells people what they need to know. I got stuck on the hello world thing on python and was stuck at that level until I started to do projects. You'd crush it monetarily
The hello world thing is an interesting concept. Maybe we give beginners way too much time and structure, when we should probably try to encourage them to wing it and solve a problem they have for themselves after a quick primer, rather than a semester long course on the basics of Python/Java. Also, we should probably tell people about objects sooner, because that's what most languages are made of
Fuck Hello Worlds. Learn the fundamentals of Computing if you really wanna build stuff. Learning C programming was one of the best things i ever did. Forced me to learn how code actually works and what it does, i don't use C anymore, but those concepts i learned are transversal to any programming language i have learned since.
@@slamislife74 Totally incorrect approach. Hello world is a great beginner approach because it introduces you to the idea that code is not scary at all. What you propose is a good way to learn-sort of a fast track-but it’d scare too many people off. It’s kind of like boxing. It’s more efficient to throw someone into sparring right away. It’s where they truly learn how to string combos together and it all really starts to make sense. Problem is, it’d scare many people away
@@YEDxFILMS there's a sweet spot if you do too much hello world type stuff you'll be left thinking "well this is pointless when can I do something cool?" That was my first thought when I watched my first tutorial. Though once I got into it found I really enjoyed it.
He's damn right. We are so much focused on becoming great toolers that we actually forgot what we were supposed to do with the tooling. Build cool stuff. Not just for the sake of it. But actual, real-world usage stuff can empower people IRL. Josh is way ahead of his time. He's practical and straightforward. I like that in a person.
Wow! This is the best comparison video about React vs Angular vs Vue vs Next vs Gatsby vs React Native vs Flutter vs Ionic vs Swift vs Kotlin vs C# vs Python vs PHP vs Laravel vs Django vs Flask vs Ruby vs Rails ever!
I could not agree more! When I wanted to learn programming, I met a developer who was at that time in charge of projects ( He wasn't coding anymore. Just leading projects). I asked him what should I learn to code. To which he answered " Anything as long as you have project. If you learn to code just for the sake of coding, you're gonna get bored and give up quickly." But then having projects made me realised that without Marketing it was useless ( As Joshua said). That's why I'm glad I stumbled across Joshua's channel as it helped me to keep that mindset.
When I was coding from 9-5:30, with 1 hour for lunch, and two 15 minute breaks. The breaks and lunch is what I looked forward to. The coding was mind numbingly boring, excruciatingly painful.
I work for an extremely small company, and I’ve always been very cynical about large Corp work culture. Unfortunately, I’ve learned that the really build a quality organization you have to find obsessed people who really do take pride in their work and who are willing to grind for the values of the organization. I’m blown away that any small company has grown into a corporate power house. It is unfortunate though that our job culture doesn’t give us this experience organically and we are just thrown into the job force reciting the “right” words to get the job, to get the promotion, to get validation, etc. Great video I appreciate the tool analogy.
College student here. Love the videos josh. You inspired me to change my major to computer science.... tried 1 semester of it, and changed back to aerospace engineering. I simply don’t have the attention span and autism to sit behind a desk all day long and code 😂
I totally agree Josh! I have always seen it the same way and have no idea why my classmates are so excited about code just because it's code. I've always leaned towards being motivated by the business domain I can improve by utilizing the tool (code). Also, it's funny how all my senior mentors/managers have told me to use dev jobs to pivot to something else. One told me that the goal should be to not write a line of code after 10 yrs in the industry.
thats what im looking for. If coding is what i'd have to do for my life i'd rather hang myself up a tree! Every job that doesnt involve business, power, control over projects-people working under you(aka leader position) IS COMPLETE GARBAGE! As a man there s nothing better than being a leader, being that "worker ant" is misery and all you do is put money on your bosses table while you get a tiny piece of it just enough to shut the fuck up!!! Ultimately working on your own ideas is the kind of life to suck for. There are a lot of BETA males willing to work for someone, enjoying that BETA state and "life", thats totally up to personality, absolutely incompatible with me!
So true. I'm a 3d artist and my dad whose a Dev recommended I learn some python for automating some of the boring work tasks. When I first picked up ans went through the hello world stuff and adding numbers. I remember thinking" what's the point of this I just have a glorified calculator " it wasn't until I discovered an issue I wanted to solve that I become motivated to learn it and started enjoying it.
THANK YOU I have been feeling this way for awhile. I see a tutorial and it shows me to do some stupid a + b = c crap. But really I always ask. Well can you show me how to make a characters health bar increase and decrease based on damage applied, or how to do something useful with an application. I never can see ahead as to what I can use it for. But when I do it's amazing. I agree completely on this video
I know EXACTLY WHAT you mean. I was all lined up to enter software engineering (advanced diploma of programming in a recognized institution here in Australia) and just COULDN'T do 4 years of sitting in a classroom.... got out into the real world working real jobs like construction and manufacturing (steel stuff) and there's nothing quite like using your hands to build WORKING equipment. I know people who have been in software, and they get sick of computers. One is a millionaire but has had enough and another got highly qualified (about 14 qualification) and just ended up going on disability and deteriorating.
That's the big thing that demotivates me to learn code: I'm always wondering "when am I gonna use this?" I wanna make a computer game, not some enterprise software. How's regex and JSON gonna help me outside of big data (which I assume will be used for creating spambot lists to sell)? That's why I liked my intro Python class, but phoned in the one after that, and dropped the one after that one; they're training me to be a code monkey. Same for the free class I got myself into; claims they'll teach Python but I'm sure it'll just be interview prep.
What you just said in this video is reminiscent of what a friend of mine told me. He said, do NOT attempted to learn a computer language unless you have a purpose for it. I tried to do so anyway...and I ended up giving up after about a week because I became bored and saw no point to learn about the tools without an application. I totally agree with your opinion here Josh.
I find this extremely relatable. I no longer enjoy coding, I just do it because it pays well and it helps me to face the monthly bills. I’m kinda building my own stuff and in the future work on my own. I have zero passion in working on the dreams of someone else, and I have zero shred on bearing bosses orders...
I'm new to coding. It happens to be the thing that every sort of test about jobs says I should do. And I like it. I'm sure it would be more interesting to work on my own projects right off the bat. But if you work for someone else for 2 or 3 years, then they are paying you to learn and get to the point where you may not need them. That's not a bad deal.
@@JoshuaFluke1 yeah, i'm sure you are right. i agree with you about marketing. i have a friend who did a lot of web marketing. she's very good at it and has even spoken at SEO conferences. i asked her if she wants to learn the programming side. she said that she just hires people to do that. i think it might be a good idea for people who like web dev to partner up with people who like web marketing. i'm going to look into that.
I would be extremely careful about making something while working for a company in the same space (not just physical bad market space). If you signed a non compete or even an idea clause if they can show your ideas were related to the work you did while there they can sue you for it all.
I still like coding because it allows me to build websites and tools on my own that maybe will be useful to other people aswell. I see working for a company as just a temporary learning process that will strengthen those skills, hoping that one day I can use them to build my own products and get that independence and passive income so I can retire early
I have a similar background as you and I feel the same way man. I think us guys with engineering backgrounds can see the dark areas of the life that many can't. True success is dong what you want to do in life while learning the proper tools to get there. Also Just FYI, working for someone else is just as bad in the trades, you see guys pouring in 70-80 hours and killing themselves for very little.
Best dev rant ever. I also went into coding because I recognized the market to easily get in and earn some food and rent. I couldn't care less about sorting binary trees or memory allocation. And also 90% of coding jobs are garbage corporate legacy code maintenance or building the same website/mobile app as some other product. And the best part is when middle management expects you to put 8hrs a day into your timesheet as development. No sane person can code 8hrs a day on some boring legacy code. And when the customer complains about your hours, they say reduce it and put it into training :D It's becoming a garbage career.
I just love to see a guy bloom. Josh you had a bad stretch till now, but I love seeing you recovering from it. One can see the change in how you carry yourself and how you speak. Will things be perfect all the time? I don't think so..and maybe they shouldn't. Look at what you learned about yourself, the pain transformed you. Imagine being as ignorant as all the people who crossed, thinking like them, being like them and then wondering why life is a mess. Godspeed Josh, godspeed.
“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.” ― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Something just clicked in my head with this video. Oh wow. Just the way that you phrased it Josh, Thank you. "Being excited about code is like being excited about this hammer." What I picked up: 1. If Im not even interested in the content I am creating, then why? 2. (now this one was important because Im working to gain new skillsets) be careful not to live in tutorial hell. Learning the skills isnt bad, but the question is what am I trying to make. Thank you man. Imma go try to make things. This rant helped me :)
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Let me clarify, we all nail nails in something in life and there's nothing wrong with that, that's not what I was saying. I personally just do not get joy from that part with coding. I get joy from other things in regards to doing things just for the sake of doing it. Like working out, getting better at flying paragliders, editing videos, cooking. But when it comes to code specifically, that's not the part that gets me..I'm big picture. And if you are the person who loves code to code, more power to you. Different people different interests, it's all good..But hopefully this video explains why i don't showcase tutorials and stuff very often.
Was super excited you were about to jump on one of your bikes and take us for a ride! :p
I'm a mixed bag. I like both
A TH-camr will be Président soon. Fluke 2024
I think tech lead had a video about the fact that there are 2 kinds of coders. One - the nerdy coder who likes to tinker with the code and enjoys it as it is, the other one - biz coder who has a product in mind and uses his coding skills to make it happen.
then tell us how to break out of this working-circle...
i like your stuff/content, because it is rare , that people show the real intentions of the "bosses" and CEO's and the really nasty type of manipulation, how they mindwash you, to work and work and work and forget about yourself and you life, but josh, the most of the people have to fucking pay their bills... so how to break out of this ?
finde somebody with ideas and code for him ?
find coding buddies and make a fucking good app everybody wants ?
You figured out in your 20's what most people don't figure out well into their 40's and 50's, saddled with regret. This is the healthiest attitude towards work one can have.
Lol making less than 6 figures drinking a beer cuz fucking u can do whatever u want in your townhouse.. your trippen dude...
@@grimendancehall If your income is never the bottleneck in living your life, then why even chase after more money than you're comfortable in spending?
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz not chasing the money. I'm just not settling because it's easier to. I work 45 hour weeks and come home and learn how to code SQL and C# so I can build a comprehensive Enterprise Management System for the company I started as just a drafter at... also starting my own steel drafting/detailing company hopefully this summer.... I don't outright expect to make a shit load of money. But when I do... and some douchebag comes along and says that i wasted my life.... like I literally love what I do. I just don't fuck with that small scale mentality. Just do a bit here a bit there then drink a beer relax and u won't have a really hard time. I don't want that. I want what Josh thinks he's getting by avoiding work. Making work not hectic and owning the work, as well as loving it. Literally cheating the system. No longer work because what I do isn't work as a job I can quit anytime but I love to do it, partially because I'm so good at it. I could go on for ages but I gotta finish tiling my bathroom floor been slacking for months cuz im working too much. But I'm sure Josh has a million times better day to day experience than me xuz he doesn't have a 'job'
@@grimendancehall jos kung fu must be weak?
@@grimendancehall assuming you're not bullshitting, and I do believe that you are 100% bullshitting lol; you would fail with that sort of dumbass plan. It's not possible to work full time and starting two separate companies that's have nothing to do with each other.
How can you have a garage, and not a Lamborghini and 2000 books in the Hollywood hills ? This raises red flags.
KNOWLEDGE
@@JoshuaFluke1 You mean...KNAWLEDGE
@@cxa011500 nah more like K N O W L E D G E
coffeezilla?
@@alinagy Joshua is missing his $10 million dollar studio with a hovering Lambo.
But since he got a bike, he can replace it with a hovering bike
I realized I still have PTSD from Tai Lopez's ads in the first 5 seconds.
KNAWLEDGE
No way?! Haven't seen that fucker in years
@@motherofallemails He still has his original "Here in my garage" ad on his channel if you want to relive the nightmare.
Do you know Trivago?
I'm considering getting this TH-cam Premium because the ad anxiety builds up with every video I watch.
I once told to an agent that after 8 hours of coding, the last thing I want to do outside of work is to code more. She replied 'well, you shouldn't say that'.
ARE YOU SAYING YOUR WORK ISNT YOUR LIFE
@@JoshuaFluke1 yes exactly with all due respect ... I like doing other things in life as well .... please don't tell my boss ! ^^'
Fortunately I work at a company where the lead dev literally told me that on the first day, although phrased differently. If you output good code and solve problems that should be enough. It doesn't have to be your life/identity. If a carpenter were to tell you he spends all his free time hammering in more nails, you'd think he's insane. It's just a job not a way of life.
Nota, you need more passion! Everyone knows that people that don't work outside of work are trash employees! You need some Ice Cream and Pizza, to get that boost, but we can't give you those until you work 20 years in our company.
I'll say it: it's because offshore developers have cultivated this mindset and American developers are SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME WAY. You're supposed to PASSIONATE about coding. WTF!?!?!? This is why you have pedophiles, creepers and psychopaths, man. Their intimate sexual experiences are just a warm puddle on the floor in front of their computer....LOL!!!!
Already know josh gets excited about css
i prefer SASS thanks
@@JoshuaFluke1 me too I like SASS coz of mixins
😭😭😭😭💀
if it’s another guy who did some beautiful css you like, you’re code gay
@@JoshuaFluke1 wow you're so SASSY.
"react or angular? my response is who gives a sh*t" 😭😭😭😭😭
It's true, who fkn cares just build a damn website.
well ovbiously react
Bruh, React.
react is cringe
You're both cringe
Exactly, this is how you are supposed to learn, you learn because of whatever you want to develop, totally agree with you, I'm not excited about code but about what I can create with code.
I am a Java guy since my college years. And i work with that languange too now. Many of my friends said " Java is old and dead , you should use JS " . I never bothered to argue. Because I don't give a shit. Honestly i will code everything that will pay my bills, and bring food to my table. If Java do that, Then I code Java, if PHP then PHP , even if is AWK the i will do it too. Coding for me is just a Job and Programming languange a tool to get that job done. It not my entire live. I don't need to think about that shits 24 hours a day lol
So from what you said it sound like you do not really enjoy your job, would it not be better to have work you actually enjoy doing? Youll have a hobby and work in one. If you like brewing the best coffee, or designing gardens, do that and be the f**in best at it. Right? Or am I the one wrong? I enjoy and love most parts of freelance software engineering and the freedom it gives me to see the world with my family. I for example find all means of transportation as a tool.
@@kamil4151 I do enjoy my job. What i mean is, i enjoy programming and developing software , But i would not "die" for it either. It just a job. A source of income. That's why i never defend Java at the silly "What is the best Programming languange/framework war " That's like to happen in discord/real life. I am not spending all my 24 hours thinking about coding or projects or courses or forums etc.
because like what Josh said, "some people have other interest" even they are do a coding/programming things. It doesn't need to be their entire life.
And if you said , u really enjoy it so much , and love it. And i guess probably love it more than me, Then, thats good for you.
@@jeremiahhasudungansihombin1882 I respect that. I myself do not engage either when kids argue about what lang or framework is the best because they will realise it's meaningless later on, but that is not what Josh was talking about (I guess). But sharpening your skills axe is what makes the difference. And I guess you know it by now, that neither school, neither job can keep you up with the everchanging and ever leaping software world, so there will always have to be some extra effort outside of work hours to prepare for the next contract, or your own startup, or just keep you desired in your current job. Or am I wrong here? I've been doing Java for 15 years now (plus python last 5), so there should be similarities.
@@kamil4151 yes its not josh talking about. It just me giving an example about, Myself that not really make coding/engineering the center of everything in my life, so i couldn't careless about my friends ( who apparently really into coding ) opinion. and why i do that? because i have other interest. I hope ya got what i mean.
I respected you to though, we are on the same community, just do it in two different ways. I do upgrading my skilss, like read a new books edition or article or do some course in pluralsight , but when it times for my other interest, example ootball ,either it play on my sunday league team or watch my favorite team, i will not sacrifice it for coding/jobs.
Bruh im already a js dev and looking to learn .net or spring, because there is no js in large corps, so IMO java is good.
Once upon a time I thought I wanted to make video games until I found out what the life is really like.
Every teenager ever.
You can make video games as a hobby or indie but I heard cooperate world is rlly bad
That was me over 13 years ago haha @joshuafluke
@unclerandy yeah I've heard nightmares about corporate jobs in making video games. I've tried to make them myself but got kind of bored. I'll make one over the long term I'm sure.
I still make video games, life is more expensive for the poor lol (cannot afford a house and motorbike)
Passions change, the important thing is that you continue to follow them
Beautiful bro
Wow!
deeper than my...nevermind
Exactly, Josh. This is THEE reason why I had trouble with mathematics in school because the teachers didn't really explain mathematics concepts or where/how to apply it! I didn't get excited about math until I went to college!!! Once the professors explained the logic behind Math beyond Geometry..it just CLICKED for me!
I wish I was smart at math so I could become that math teacher that doesn't teach math but instead let students have fun playing games where math is just part of the game.
Now I teach "creative tech" where we make 3D models and 3D print them, there's math involved but the point is to create something where math is just part of the process.
Ah man..as a cs student, this really takes the weight off my shoulders..
Fr dude especially in our country
Since you're still a CS student, network as much as you can! Go to meetups and such, and stay in touch with the people you end up clicking with! :)
I was too but then switched to aero e
"No amount of money has ever bought a second of time" -Howard Stark
Yes it has every day.
I mean sure, no money can buy time itself. But you can purchase things that can extend the time you will live to experience. Medicine and surgery.
Kind of...it's not about having an income working everyday. It's about creating a cash flow, passive income. That's how you buy time and freedom.
You die faster without money so that's not completely true
Wow, you guys really didn't see End game I guess to understand the context of the quote, it isn't about "buying future" time. It is about not being able to get back time you used in the past, not spending the time to bond with your friend, or mom, or dad, after they passed away for instance (In Tony/Howard starks case), or not being able to do that once in a life time thing you missed out on because you cannot buy that time back. The quote specifically means do not waste your every day life being absorbed with your career or you may regret or missing the important things in life.
It gets worse the more senior you get. It's the same problems and just typing. I have to change hobbies alot. Vehicles are ok, but careful sometimes you realize buying stuff is hiding deep emotional issues. You get the dopamine rush from the temporary purchase.
Buying stuff is buying a maintenance burden. You will get one more thing to waste time and money on.
I agree 100% with Josh on this one, coding is a tool, that's about it for most people.
I majored in EE, I didn't have much interest in coding at all, but I'm absolutely enthusiastic about making electronics.
When I see those extremely cool "smart" devices, of course I wanted to be able to build them myself.
So I easily overcame my lack of interest in coding, quickly picked up assembly and C/C++(pretty much what you learn as a EE major in school) writing firmware for STM32 microcontrollers.
In the following years, I taught myself rtos and linux, to be able to use more powerful SOCs.
When I realized I need to write applications for my devices, I learned python, GUI, SQL, etc.
I end up learning pretty much everything I need of CS, just from the information you can get on google, without actually going to school for it, in about 3 years.
So my advice to those stuck in tutorial hell: find something you want to build, that you're passionate about, then just find a way to implement it, using whatever language, tool, technology that's available.
As an auto mechanic, I hate working on cars now, I can imagine as a programmer there is nothing more exciting than turning wrenches and building something more visceral (knowing of course that there’s no customer expectation in doing your own projects)
Change is good, experience is better.
I use these analogies all the time.
Great content dude.
Expectations on services seem to be surreal nowadays. "The expert will know", "The expert can do this eyes closed", "Why is it taking so long?", "How did you not manage to do the fix that I (me, me ,me ,me, me, me) need?". Systems keep getting more complex every day.
Before complaining, try five times to do the thing yourself.
I relate to this video on a spiritual level, and the fact that you (wayyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead of me on my coding journey,) voiced this sort of thought gives me some sense of relief man.
the bit about marketing. spot on. I learned some digital marketing and realized it's way easier to understand than intense programming, but can make far more money.
You totally missed here in my garage meme damn it
Knowledge!
😂😂😂
This video is a masterpiece.
Brett Dev! Love your channel!
oi mate, you got a loicense for this content?
This is one of your best videos in my opinion. Everything ties together beautifully.
Great quality rant video, with an O.K. message! As a psychologist, I have to add a tiny extra info to this.
Most people dont have friends, dont have intimate relationships with the other gender (or same, as preffered), since school was over. These people are LONELY as fck. This makes them getting over-attached to 2 things:
-Cooworkers (To ease the lonelyness and in hope to find a partner.)
-Work (To cope, and dont think about how lonely and sexualy starved they are.)
Josh is a good looking, musclar men, but he is by far the minority. He has a BSc, good info-tech career, and a (few) already successful business. Having a fulfilling sexual life as well. This is by FAR FAR FAR the minority, for reasons so complicated, I would rather not explain them.
I would rather not over explain it, so I just add 1 last thing. Unconsciously, Josh doing the same thing as most CEO (successful people) doing, getting detached from the people "under" him in the given hierarchy pyramid. People on the bottom, these people dont have lifes. Never had. Most likely don't even know how to have one. They are adult infants, who are being treated as infants.
Ive seen the same thing that you describe in places I worked. The "elite programmer" types generally have no intimate relationships, very few friends, very little social skills and latch onto work entirely because they believe that the high paycheck and good standing within the company somehow makes them more socially valuable in other aspects of life.
With that being said, I dont think being a workaholic is bad in some circumstances. If you are an entrepreneur/founder of a company, a doctor or doing something really important like being a navy seal or becoming an astronaut, I respect that and can understand the workaholism. I dont understand the workaholism in climbing the corporate ladder to one day become a middle manager. When someone asked me at my previous company "PW, dont you want to be a manager here some day", I laughed and knew that my time there was very limited from that moment on
@@pwbets6386 You responded to my comment, but did not respond to my comment at all. I said the reason why people become as you said "workaholic". But never said if it is good or bad. I simply pointed out, the fact that this is an unavoidable path of life for many and companies hunting these lost, miserable individuals, to employ them forever.
It has NOTHING to do with paychecks. It is the way of life, they always knew, plus the only form of bonding they always knew. In short.
Someone has to say it. Deal with it.
Sir you just described me to a T
Also, there is no $ in PHP.
Seriously though, this happened to me 3-4 years ago. I got sick web dev and got into hobby electronics, wood working, robotisting etc. But, I had to resort to coding to pay the bills. Now I am burnt out, get ptsd from just looking at an editor and lost the will to live. Damn it, just let me make stuff, family!
Life gotta have Meaning.
As a teacher I taught my scheduled subjects, always also to enhance life-skills, I helped my students grow, deepen their self-esteem, better connecting with others, tolerance, communication, self-reliance, how to take on a task that made their world a better place in widening circles, finding their vocation.
When school-authorities tried to make the Meaning of my job impossible I quit teaching. Nevertheless I am still finding Meaning in efforts to do my bit to make the world a better place, for me, for my nearest and dearest, and for people and living beings in general.
In other words: I understand you, Joshua, 100%, and I think your rant is very meaningful, understandable, and a huge step forward towards your next growing phase.
So what are you personally passionate about now and how can you promote it?
Would you like to help the FireBrigade, build mutual insurance and financial security, or monitoring nature so it isn't destroyed? Something quite else?
The question about 'passion and deepest values' is a good one, but it is a plague when it is trivialized and commercialized.
Thank you so much for your videos! Keep them coming, please!
this video resonates with me so much. it’s why I’ve never been able to sit down and learn stuff I don’t want to learn and I just flat out refuse to do it. the tie-in with marketing being 90% of what sells a product is so true too…it’s why good salespeople make so much money
You hit the nail on the head with this one. That’s why I get bored with programming in school because a lot of what we do is BORING and USELESS. Like yes, we need to know the fundamentals, but how can I get a job with all this?
Agreed. I was exited to begin with but goddamn it was boring af, never went back to it
@@yaomang08 it’s hard to stay excited sometimes, what do you do now?
Nothing in school is useless. It may be useless to you or many people but it not useless. :]
Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Good movie!
"I want to make cool shit", dude that's exactly what I thought when I started going into animation!!! Other people in my classes say they want to work for Pixar or so and so company I was just so disconnected...
I liked the video. Liked and subscribed. I am 35 years old software developer. Due some reasons, I had different jobs until I am 30. There was a career gap so I focuseed on programming, which is my dream job since the day we bought a PC in 1999. I started learning programming on my own, reading some PDFs. I got up so early and really was eager to learn. I was consuming lots of knowledge and trying to use them on simple projects. Then I got my first job in March, 2020, as a React Native Developer. Then I worked on web client and server side. But for the last 6 months, I am lost. I am no more motivated, I don't wanna work fulltime and chain my self to the projects I don't find interesting. I am tired of learning libraries, tech tricks to solve strange errors/meet requirements. My dream after trying several ideas, succeeding in one of them and turning this into a "Passive Income. That's all, and I believe programming has become so bloated nowadays. I still love my job, but there are too many side things that distract you to the main point.
I completely agree with you. I was so passionate about coding before college, then when I entered college full time and ended up graduating... I didn’t want to code anymore. I was so burnt out. So I decided to pick up a job as a 3D artist. I loved it at first because I loved sculpting... but honestly, I feel like working for a company just ruined my hobby. Art jobs will low ball you with salaries (I’m sure all companies do that anyways). I don’t want to work on my 3D models outside of work anymore.
But now I don’t take my job seriously anymore, and I’m a lot happier. I just get my work done, take a lot of breaks, hangout with my family without the work stress and work on my music. Doing the things that make me happy.
Point of the story, stop taking your job so seriously. Separate it from your personal life. Work less if you can. Spend time with family. Do things you LOVE. Also, I highly recommend Jordan Peterson lectures. He made me see the things I was missing in my life.
Dude.... I have been developing for 6 years and I think you just blew my fkn mind. I think I don't give a shit about code but the end product. God damn... I need to delve into this.
And your "I don't give a shit!" line made me fkn smile like crazy :D
Also, you talk about ideal job made me realize I have the perfect job. It is fkn boring but I have so much free time and I get bonus based on the profits of the company. THanks man.. You are my new fkn hero!
I would say a farmer is pretty noble job and people who help take care of the environment.
Farming is one of the hardest and most under-appreciated jobs on this ball. Requiring so much useful knowledge spanning industries and sustains a family and his community. You can’t be an idiot and be a farmer.
That's true in priciple, and it completely depends on the kind of farm it is about - applying monoculture, artificial fertilizers, and pesticide round-up, is the horror for all but the profit-collectors.
As consumers we must take care to really support the farmers you have in mind; Troy.
We also need supervision of the labels for Fair Trade and ecological farming.
One has to be as aware in this field as Joshua in his. I wonder if there isn't coding opportunities to monitor production there.
@@DNA350ppm I'm generally about organics. We have many Amish farmers in the area and I don't believe they use pesticides. They dont even use tractors, Lol, just horses.
@@troymitchel4790 The Amish sure have many great farming traditions.
There was a development called High farming, where for example crop rotation substituted for moderned industrialized farming - but regrettably High farming was marginalized by agrobusiness that had quick-solutions to sell. In his books John Seymour has tried to keep up the spread of knowledge about this - as I think - REAL farming.
The prohibition of family-planning was one of the factors that was a nail in the family-farms' coffins and made them unprofitable.
All of us should understand more about farming, though city-dwellers, because food and water are for ever essential to life, and we should pay what it takes to bring us real, healthy produce.
Farming is a lifestyle. You take the good with the bad, otherwise you move to the city.
Bro...I started programming computers a LOOOONG time ago. Before you were born, bro. Hell...we didn't call the shit that I did CODING back then. We called it programming.
Roundabout the first dot com crash I fucking stopped doing it because I lost my job and discovered that I could be let go like anyone else. Up until that time, programming jobs were BULLETPROOF. Finding jobs was hard because apparently, we were now in direct competition with offshore developers who were fucking working for the equivalent of a bag of grain every month to slam code. Fuck that. Programming for me was done to make $$$$. It still is but some people are obsessed with it thinking that the jobs you get from it are BULLETPROOF. Funny how shit comes back around.
I feel you, bro. Fuck coding. You are contributing to humanity by shitting on corporate malfeasance. It needs to be exposed and more people need to know and understand what is going on here. Keep up the good work, bro!!!!!!!!!!!
Your rants are so effective, they’re cathartic for your audience. Keep it up Josh, those of us that are dissatisfied with the way things are in our corporate culture and aspire to treating each other with more respect and more down to earth honesty that doesn’t inject toxic positivity into the mix need you.
This video really resonated. I’ve loved skateboarding my entire life and now as I’m in the tech word and have a busy family life I no longer have time to even skate. Thanks for sharing your perspective! BTW sick drive away outro haha
I'm not a programmer or coder, but I enjoy your contents. Thank you, Joshua!
Damn, when I get overwhelmed from coding and learning new stuff. sometimes I forget what is really important to me I stress out if can't understand something or write good code like my coworkers, but in the end you totally right nothing of that matters.
Thank you, Josh! You just sounded exactly my thoughts about coding and job, 1 to 1. I'm glad that I'm not just the one, who thinks so. Gives me a little hope. Unfortunately, almost 95% of projects, I'm worked with, suffered from shitty management, so working with those projects and those people was like a huge pain in the ass.
You sound like Tyler Durden from Fight Club the movie: You are not you job , you are not you bank account, you are not your Khakis!!
I looooooooooooooove this character development, Joshua Fluke's lore is getting better every video posted.
Best way to learn to code is work toward building a project you’re interested in
@john doe It's true. That's why collaborating with others, distributing the burden, using 'power tools' to speed things up is part of the arsenal. All we can really do.
Like literally what I'm interested in?
I love how you've progressed on your channel, I think these videos as an ethos are much more valuable than coding videos.
Glad you like them!
2 years later and I come across this video during my senior year of uni as a CS student and I really couldnt agree more with this video. Ive been stressed and worried because truly, from the bottom of my heart, I dont want my job to define who I am. I dont want it to be my entire life and honestly I dont care that much about coding or software devlopment or getting into deep discussions about tech like what the best programming language is or something similar like most of my peers. Yeah, i love what I study, and I try to learn, but I also just want a job and want to work to live. Not the other way around. I'd rather focus on my small IoT projects or 3d Printing hobbies and learning to ride a motorcycle than sit all day trying to learn EVERYTHING in a constantly growing industry and getting depressed when imposter syndrome hits and I feel like Im wasting my time because Im not as nearly as good as everyone else. At the end of the day, I just wanna live, and have a job that'll help me do that while also being something remotely interesting and isnt completely mindless. At 21 years old, I dont feel as I have lived much given that I havent gone out much and gained any experiences. So the thought of never fixing that because I'd be inside all day cramming in videos and online tutorials just to catch up to others and put it on my resume ruins my mood. As my time as a college student slowly come to an end, I can only hope my doubts and worries fade, at least just a little bit
Tient bon est essayer de faire quelque chose chaque jour
I'm studying to become a network enginner to make a bit more money, just to be able to work less in the future. I hate working so much that I need to work on it to get it to work.
7:30 biggest thing I've learned making apps... sadly people won't just magically find and download them
Work to live not live to work. Finally. Someone who says what I’ve been saying for 4+ years.
I have been saying that for 5 years now and still, nobody listens to me, even though it is the fact.
I can't even understand people nowadays. The decision of people....make no sense
@Reese Sane graduate
Tell a grocery store cashier: "Get excited about the groceries you can ring up with this cash register."
That is exactly what should be done - involving all workers in a good way in the job they are doing and the part they are playing in the community. We should all be grateful that there are stores with things we need, if in addition they care about quality, a contact with the customers, and their health, it's more meaningful.
People not profit in fokus.
Agree and feel this rant on a deep level after working in the tech industry for a number of years.... and just working jobs in general too.
Tried to brush up on my outdated coding skills during lockdown and had a hair pulling experience. I realized the entire industry is not for me. And that's perfectly OK.
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Working from home long back in the 90’s I learned to take part-time social jobs like barista wherever I lived... it got me out of the office/studio and tuned to locale. Lately, I have been doing construction and painting and glad to haul four-by-eight ply up and down stairs all day. I enjoy the mental work, but deeply disappointed in tech world for some time and find most tech work ephemeral and no longer a model to enrich everyone. Truthfully, I watched the libertarian freedom loving cypherpunk internet flex it’s newfound wealth in the 90’s and then political power… and this freaked the Blue Bloods who sent their children Digital, and then funded them, to seize control of our industry. The secretary can’t get stock options anymore, because the opportunity-hoarders have choked the returns. Your living their serfdom dream and why I enjoy your voice.
I have shared your video in some groups, I think a lot of people need to see. This video is simple clear, and amazing at the same time.
Man! Thank you for clarifying all this. I went through so much confusion in college because it felt like when you asked questions or watched tutorials there was no clear path on why or what a language or library is used for. This perfectly describes a majority of the confusion developers go through.
I hope you can get this message out to more people. There are a lot who need to hear this.
Amen!!!! Again, took the words out of my mouth. Coding is ultimately boring, I learned it out of duty while at uni, I understand it but it is mighty boring to be sat looking at lines. The building is the actual ultimate goal. Keep the good work man.
Well said, Josh. Do what makes you happy!
Thank f*ck someone else is saying this. I have been telling myself these exact words every single day for at least the past year. Hell I'm not even graduated yet but the job experience I've had in the computer science field has just blatantly *sucked*. Everyday I'm waiting for the clock to hit 5 PM, all the while trying not to fall asleep at my desk, even on a full night's sleep. Trying to scope out what I can do with my interests, but man where I am now is not where I want to be. Thanks for this. At least it helps knowing I'm not the only one.
I work in Software Development (Not a dev but an Automation QA) and these videos are why I've been subbed to your channel for a couple years now. You always speak facts Josh and say what most of us are feeling. Everything you say about these jobs and this corporate environment is completely accurate.
appreciate your truth and no bullshit honesty. industry gets too wrapped in the technicalities / craft, and you will never be free from system unless you pursue big picture mindset.
Nice video. I'm working on a few projects that are well beyond my skill level and I use any tools I need to get them done. Definitely my favorite way of learning. I like the problem-solving aspect of it.
Ok, I'm mindblown by the truth spoken in this video.
Accurate, using the tools to build something is where all the excitement comes from because you know you built something you wanted to, you successfully put it together and made it work, I agree with this 100 percent.
This is what differentiates great coders, they know many tools they did not have to use so far, ready to spare a lot of time when the time is right. If you never walked through hardware store and tried stuff, you might not know how much more efficient you can be with the right tools.
I think you hit the nail in the head. At first I thought I was passionate about coding as well, but I realized that I was passionate about the PROJECTS I did when I was coding. I enjoy making my own video games, websites, aps, and such, as much as I enjoy making art. Making stuff is fun. I don't know if that enjoyment will transfer over int developing a corporate app or something like that.
But React 18 is going to blow your mind Josh! it will support React 16 and ES2021! You're going to love it!
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Life is more than that bro.
It's refreshing to hear this from someone else, I started to think I had some deficiency when I couldn't conjure up the same enthusiasm as my colleagues about work life. My colleagues always know about organization changes, who is the new VP, they read all the yammer updates and watch every webcast on how our "digital transformation" is going. I just don't care about this stuff but all this time I thought I was too dumb to keep up with all the 'new and exciting changes' to this organization. I do however seem to have the attention span for stuff I'm interested in and passionate about, and about 100% of those projects are stuff I do outside of wage slavery.
That's actually what I did: I learned the minimum of VueJS and aced the interview and got the job! To be honest, I had some interest in VueJS. But since I know I have the job I do not care about the framework at all. It is kind of weird but makes sense because I just need it for the job. Anyway - keep on doing your videos! They help!
omg the scene transitions, love them. Its like a car sales man advert :D
As an engineer without the degree, I can agree. It isn't the code that gets me excited for making a distro. It's the vision, accomplishments and just the notion of it coming together (the project i mentioned above). In other words, i don't care about algorithms, data structures or any of that. I care about getting it done and planning it.
Was about to rage in the comment, but then he is totally right. I'm a game programmer and I always saw code as a tool to make games, I can find cool and exciting ways to make games better, but in the end, it's all about the end result. A paint artist is not excited by paint, they're excited about what they do with it.
Sounds to me like you should make a course, that actually tells people what they need to know. I got stuck on the hello world thing on python and was stuck at that level until I started to do projects.
You'd crush it monetarily
The hello world thing is an interesting concept. Maybe we give beginners way too much time and structure, when we should probably try to encourage them to wing it and solve a problem they have for themselves after a quick primer, rather than a semester long course on the basics of Python/Java. Also, we should probably tell people about objects sooner, because that's what most languages are made of
Fuck Hello Worlds. Learn the fundamentals of Computing if you really wanna build stuff. Learning C programming was one of the best things i ever did. Forced me to learn how code actually works and what it does, i don't use C anymore, but those concepts i learned are transversal to any programming language i have learned since.
@@slamislife74 Totally incorrect approach.
Hello world is a great beginner approach because it introduces you to the idea that code is not scary at all.
What you propose is a good way to learn-sort of a fast track-but it’d scare too many people off.
It’s kind of like boxing.
It’s more efficient to throw someone into sparring right away. It’s where they truly learn how to string combos together and it all really starts to make sense.
Problem is, it’d scare many people away
@@YEDxFILMS there's a sweet spot if you do too much hello world type stuff you'll be left thinking "well this is pointless when can I do something cool?" That was my first thought when I watched my first tutorial. Though once I got into it found I really enjoyed it.
He's damn right. We are so much focused on becoming great toolers that we actually forgot what we were supposed to do with the tooling. Build cool stuff. Not just for the sake of it. But actual, real-world usage stuff can empower people IRL. Josh is way ahead of his time. He's practical and straightforward. I like that in a person.
“Comment for the algorithm”
-Derek from More Plates More Dates
Lmao thanks
“Comment for the algorithm”
-Derek from More Plates More Dates
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@@iansteenblock5010 supraphysiological
@@JoshuaFluke1 house and a fuckin half status
Wow! This is the best comparison video about React vs Angular vs Vue vs Next vs Gatsby vs React Native vs Flutter vs Ionic vs Swift vs Kotlin vs C# vs Python vs PHP vs Laravel vs Django vs Flask vs Ruby vs Rails ever!
I could not agree more! When I wanted to learn programming, I met a developer who was at that time in charge of projects ( He wasn't coding anymore. Just leading projects). I asked him what should I learn to code. To which he answered " Anything as long as you have project. If you learn to code just for the sake of coding, you're gonna get bored and give up quickly." But then having projects made me realised that without Marketing it was useless ( As Joshua said).
That's why I'm glad I stumbled across Joshua's channel as it helped me to keep that mindset.
Josh. I've been watching you for quite a while now. I love your personality. Even if you just sit and talk in front of the camera its entertaining !
When I was coding from 9-5:30, with 1 hour for lunch, and two 15 minute breaks. The breaks and lunch is what I looked forward to. The coding was mind numbingly boring, excruciatingly painful.
Completely agree! Do what excites u! Discuss the design process! Love it
I wholeheartedly agree, Building things (not via software) is far more interesting and engaging.
I work for an extremely small company, and I’ve always been very cynical about large Corp work culture. Unfortunately, I’ve learned that the really build a quality organization you have to find obsessed people who really do take pride in their work and who are willing to grind for the values of the organization. I’m blown away that any small company has grown into a corporate power house. It is unfortunate though that our job culture doesn’t give us this experience organically and we are just thrown into the job force reciting the “right” words to get the job, to get the promotion, to get validation, etc.
Great video I appreciate the tool analogy.
The whole video is a gift :)
this needs wayyyyyyyyyy more views than 80k
Nah for real.
College student here. Love the videos josh. You inspired me to change my major to computer science.... tried 1 semester of it, and changed back to aerospace engineering. I simply don’t have the attention span and autism to sit behind a desk all day long and code 😂
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I totally agree Josh! I have always seen it the same way and have no idea why my classmates are so excited about code just because it's code. I've always leaned towards being motivated by the business domain I can improve by utilizing the tool (code). Also, it's funny how all my senior mentors/managers have told me to use dev jobs to pivot to something else. One told me that the goal should be to not write a line of code after 10 yrs in the industry.
thats what im looking for. If coding is what i'd have to do for my life i'd rather hang myself up a tree!
Every job that doesnt involve business, power, control over projects-people working under you(aka leader position) IS COMPLETE GARBAGE! As a man there s nothing better than being a leader, being that "worker ant" is misery and all you do is put money on your bosses table while you get a tiny piece of it just enough to shut the fuck up!!!
Ultimately working on your own ideas is the kind of life to suck for.
There are a lot of BETA males willing to work for someone, enjoying that BETA state and "life", thats totally up to personality, absolutely incompatible with me!
Josh you're fucking dope!
So true. I'm a 3d artist and my dad whose a Dev recommended I learn some python for automating some of the boring work tasks. When I first picked up ans went through the hello world stuff and adding numbers. I remember thinking" what's the point of this I just have a glorified calculator " it wasn't until I discovered an issue I wanted to solve that I become motivated to learn it and started enjoying it.
THANK YOU
I have been feeling this way for awhile. I see a tutorial and it shows me to do some stupid a + b = c crap. But really I always ask. Well can you show me how to make a characters health bar increase and decrease based on damage applied, or how to do something useful with an application. I never can see ahead as to what I can use it for. But when I do it's amazing. I agree completely on this video
I know EXACTLY WHAT you mean. I was all lined up to enter software engineering (advanced diploma of programming in a recognized institution here in Australia) and just COULDN'T do 4 years of sitting in a classroom.... got out into the real world working real jobs like construction and manufacturing (steel stuff) and there's nothing quite like using your hands to build WORKING equipment. I know people who have been in software, and they get sick of computers. One is a millionaire but has had enough and another got highly qualified (about 14 qualification) and just ended up going on disability and deteriorating.
That's the big thing that demotivates me to learn code: I'm always wondering "when am I gonna use this?" I wanna make a computer game, not some enterprise software. How's regex and JSON gonna help me outside of big data (which I assume will be used for creating spambot lists to sell)? That's why I liked my intro Python class, but phoned in the one after that, and dropped the one after that one; they're training me to be a code monkey. Same for the free class I got myself into; claims they'll teach Python but I'm sure it'll just be interview prep.
Well json is just a data format, it's not like people don't use it for games engines.
What you just said in this video is reminiscent of what a friend of mine told me. He said, do NOT attempted to learn a computer language unless you have a purpose for it. I tried to do so anyway...and I ended up giving up after about a week because I became bored and saw no point to learn about the tools without an application. I totally agree with your opinion here Josh.
I find this extremely relatable. I no longer enjoy coding, I just do it because it pays well and it helps me to face the monthly bills.
I’m kinda building my own stuff and in the future work on my own. I have zero passion in working on the dreams of someone else, and I have zero shred on bearing bosses orders...
I'm new to coding. It happens to be the thing that every sort of test about jobs says I should do. And I like it. I'm sure it would be more interesting to work on my own projects right off the bat. But if you work for someone else for 2 or 3 years, then they are paying you to learn and get to the point where you may not need them. That's not a bad deal.
@@do-hz4qb that is the path I'd recommend but you don't need a specific amount of years, just enough to get where you want to go.
@@JoshuaFluke1 yeah, i'm sure you are right. i agree with you about marketing. i have a friend who did a lot of web marketing. she's very good at it and has even spoken at SEO conferences. i asked her if she wants to learn the programming side. she said that she just hires people to do that.
i think it might be a good idea for people who like web dev to partner up with people who like web marketing. i'm going to look into that.
I would be extremely careful about making something while working for a company in the same space (not just physical bad market space).
If you signed a non compete or even an idea clause if they can show your ideas were related to the work you did while there they can sue you for it all.
@@seemlesslies Then build your stuff in silence and let the world know about your project once you quit.
True talk 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽. Subscribed
I still like coding because it allows me to build websites and tools on my own that maybe will be useful to other people aswell.
I see working for a company as just a temporary learning process that will strengthen those skills, hoping that one day I can use them to build my own products and get that independence and passive income so I can retire early
Good plan. Go for it
Who wants a website these days aside from enterprise companies? Any e commerce person just does it on their own with wix
I have a similar background as you and I feel the same way man. I think us guys with engineering backgrounds can see the dark areas of the life that many can't. True success is dong what you want to do in life while learning the proper tools to get there. Also Just FYI, working for someone else is just as bad in the trades, you see guys pouring in 70-80 hours and killing themselves for very little.
This needed to be said.
Best dev rant ever. I also went into coding because I recognized the market to easily get in and earn some food and rent. I couldn't care less about sorting binary trees or memory allocation. And also 90% of coding jobs are garbage corporate legacy code maintenance or building the same website/mobile app as some other product. And the best part is when middle management expects you to put 8hrs a day into your timesheet as development. No sane person can code 8hrs a day on some boring legacy code. And when the customer complains about your hours, they say reduce it and put it into training :D It's becoming a garbage career.
25 years, and I have been burnt out on Java enough times.
I just love to see a guy bloom. Josh you had a bad stretch till now, but I love seeing you recovering from it. One can see the change in how you carry yourself and how you speak. Will things be perfect all the time? I don't think so..and maybe they shouldn't. Look at what you learned about yourself, the pain transformed you. Imagine being as ignorant as all the people who crossed, thinking like them, being like them and then wondering why life is a mess. Godspeed Josh, godspeed.
“If you want to build a ship, don’t drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work, and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea.”
― Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Oh thats good
But the guys building the ships aren't the ones sailing them.
@@eitkoml minute details hahaha
Something just clicked in my head with this video. Oh wow. Just the way that you phrased it Josh, Thank you. "Being excited about code is like being excited about this hammer."
What I picked up:
1. If Im not even interested in the content I am creating, then why?
2. (now this one was important because Im working to gain new skillsets) be careful not to live in tutorial hell. Learning the skills isnt bad, but the question is what am I trying to make.
Thank you man. Imma go try to make things. This rant helped me :)
When I watch those tutorials for JS and every tutorial is how to print shit in console like wtf am I gonna do with that 😂
We're exactly the opposite. I like coding anything at all. I think solving the problem is fun.