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Last week Rishi Sunak lost 474 councillors, the constituency of Blackpool south, and Andy Street’s West Midlands mayoral. And yesterday things went from bad to worse for Sunak with a surprise defection to Labour from Natalie Elphicke MP for Dover and Deal.
The Conservatives can’t seem to escape this endless decline in support and popularity. So when did it all start to go wrong, and can they stop the train before it completely derails?
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Cons 18%, Lab 48% with YouGov today. Couldn't happen to a nicer party.
YouGov are Labours pals another out today had Labour 15% ahead. People need to work hard still to beat the Tories.
@@paulwilson2651tbf most polls I’ve seen have the tories at 17-22%
Wasn't Kinnock leading in the Polls?
@@paulwilson2651YouGov is right leaning if anything. It was founded by a Tory after all.
The one thing I'll say is all the posters seem to weight Reform way too highly.
Even at 15 points the Tories are going home on a big red Ambulance. If the poll gap is the 20 points it's been showing at for the last year, we're gonna need a bigger set of benches for the government. But don't worry, because the Tories will hardly need any at all.
If it does actually turn out at 30, then the Tories are going to be the fourth party, behind lib Dems and SNP as well as Labour.
Unless the SNP implode of course in which case that's even more seats to Labour.
Labour are just as bad as the Tories different cheek same bum and around and around we go same media will turn against Keir 🤷🏽♂️
Tories feel hopeless?
Nice they joined the rest of the country... only they are the reason we feel so...
Nicely put sir.
As I see it: The Faustian pact which traditionally comes as part of a Tory government (as with capitalism in general) is that the elites get a lot richer. But at least small businesses and industrious people get richer too. With Sunak's approach, it seems the elites get richer, and everyone else gets materially poorer. How can they expect anyone to vote for that?
Tory Death Spiral. Good name for a band. 🎸
Excellent - death metal band?
@@colincampbell4261 absolutely. 😊
Would be an interesting first album
They've grifted every penny out of our country and there's basically nothing left. Bye 👋
Isn’t that what the Tory Lügenpresse accused Labour of doing in 2010? Only this time they did it for realsies
Yep. Labour aren’t going to change the direction either. I just give up!
@@coppershark1973 yup, it's so depressing, I'm voting Green, not perfect but fewer sociopaths ❎️
@@hanselmansell7555 aint no way i will vote partties that have muslim candidates this is england not the middle east
@@greentroll9326 OK, try not to get ill or take a bus, better stay in forever if you want a white English world, good luck 👍
Rwanda is not moving forward, they paid for someone to go and and lost them! and how much did that cost the tax payer!
Three grand, apparently.
@@penandpaper3783And the rest! The admin costs alone would have been double that.
The only person that doesn't seem to know that Rishi the Runt is the most hated man in the UK is Rishi the Runt.
It's clear the Tories are managing for themselves and not for the country! Anyone still supporting them really need to bear this in mind when the GE is eventually called!
Can you blame them? The left and Labour Party want to hand everything over to the Middle East and Islam. I would too would insulate myself from the dangerous woke world.
If he really cared about the country he'd call an election now. Actions speak louder than words.
TORIES. WE HAVE CURE: ZERO SEATS.
The only poll that matters is the General Election.
Yes and as the pollsters have got the last 2 elections to within 2% it’s not gonna miraculously change , even in your wildest dreams
That's true but it's usually said by politicians who know or at least suspect they're in for a drubbing. 🤣🤣
Yes the it’s only the general election that matters is a standard line when your 21% behind in 750 polls
Give us an election now then
Rishis wife loves chequers he will stay till January for her and his precious daughter as for the nation let them eat cake 😊
That, has BRED??????
Tories finished oh dear how sad never mind.
Asking people to vote Conservative is like cracking a very lame joke, devoid of smiles or laughs.
It started going wrong in 2010. It seems there are a lot of slow learners voting.
1979
1655
@@nadimovitch9237touche sir
www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf
@@nadimovitch9237 Why 1655?
Is that when we first sent Irish criminals to Barbados?
Have been saying for ages the Tories seem to be governing according to GB News and Facebook (bot) comments when most people are fair minded and have never heard of gb news and don’t leave or indulge Facebook comments
Whole country is a broken train crash nothing works GE
Who s been in charge for 14 years
Elphicke "crossed the floor" to kick Sunak for "stabbing Johnson in the back".
She would still be a Tory with BloJo as PM.
Always inevitable.
Sunak needed an election before Easter.
Now it is too late.
Where did it all go wrong? Well the lies Bojo told us all about what a great Brexit there was to be had then many many dodgy honours, pandemic them and us behaviour nepotism with contracts for PPE and Truss ineptitude kinda killed it for them no way back unless Rishi I pay a low tax rate Sunak becomes a Saint they are done.
Cameron. He called the damned referendum, damning us all to hell. The U.K. is in real trouble and Labour are continuing on with Brexit and it blows my mind.
www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf
@@coppershark1973 Yup, Cameron, bet the country to save his party and destroyed everyone whilst doing it. Worst PM in history 🐷
@@coppershark1973I just don't think they want to drag it up again. I reckon it'll come up in the election after this one. They'll make a show of trying then say what we all know and move ba k towards the EU
@mr_incognito9305 I don't think they can do an SNP and hope that if they ask the question repetitively then eventually the electorate will say yes.
I think Labour need to work on improving trade relations with EU and find out what sort of relationship the UK wants with the EU and also what sort of membership would the EU want with us? When we voted to join the EEC no one knew how that membership would morph, its not like the public were asked at each stage of further integration politicians went on believing they knew best what the people wanted.
Starter will stick with the vote decision that was made and a future election policy might be to commit to asking a question.
It started going wrong in 2010 and if you want the real year zero, 1979
www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf
100 percent
Lmfao have you read about the 1970 s …. Heath Wilson govts were governing a catastrophe
They don't have a train. They sold it off to private business.
What a shame
Yeah, supporting the murder of children is kinda a red line for me. Greens it is, I guess.
Thank you.
The Greens policies are infantile.
@@colincampbell4261saving the planet is not infantile.
Vote green in by elections and the locals. Please vote Labour at the GE, they are more likely to introduce climate legislation and work with the greens. Progressive parties work together for the greater good, Conservative parties hoard power for themselves and are bone headed
@@mr_incognito9305 as I said child murder is a red line for anyone with a once of moral fibre.
We are sick and tired of our Politicians destroying this great nation of ours.
The great nation that has voted these grifters in for the past 14 years?
@@TrevorBarreAll politicians not just Tory.
Fox New in America, Daily Mail in UK. Tories followed the Mail line and now look at them.
The quick fix goes for me now
There is hope. For the people of this country finally waking up from a 14-year long nightmare. Time to open the curtains and enjoy the sunshine
i like that
hopeful
It's the other party's turn now. Those of us who remember Labour's last dreadful show won't be so hopeful.
And they will not be generous.
They were so awful they caused almost the entire country to vote Tory, can you imagine?
@@Aegmog I was around for the last Labour government. Can you explain exactly how it was a ‘dreadful show’? Because I remember a growing economy, well-funded public services, a healthy NHS and years of tory media whining about how people on benefits had it too good and were living the high life. I also remember Labour stabilising the economy swiftly after bankers crashed it in 2008.
I remember Tories fibbing about how Labour ‘spent all the money’ (we had 70% debt to GDP - way less than we have now with the same size economy)
@@Aegmog another lie. The 2010 election resulted in a hung parliament. Tories didn’t win an outright majority until 2015
When did it all start to go wrong, that's easy Camron.
You have to go farther back to Tatcher and Raegan, they paved the way to our current neo-liberalism mindset
www.templar.co.uk/downloads/FCO+30+1048.pdf
Actually it all started going wrong with the formation of the Tory party in 1834
@@cyber_rachel7427 I meaaaaan, really it went terribly wrong when the Roman empire decided to invade Britannia
The Rwanda PM😂😂😂 thats all the dude ever talked about 😂😂😂
Rachel Cunliffe on the money, but I think a QUANGO is lined up.
Just give it to Penny. She will wipe the floor.
She will be wiping the floor as a cleaner when she loses her seat at the election 🪣
Does she have a big mop and bucket?
Many would give it to penny 😊
I'm devastated.
Oh well. I've been waiting 13+ years for this.
Well not with his as leader, remember Scotland?
The fishi sunak coup has been a Trainwreck.oh dear.Thats called karma.😂
Sunak has become a pawn of the war lobby
As if sir keir isnt going to continue funding Israel… rishi is shite but thats one thing keir wont be better on
They've repeatedly made such terrible decisions that I can't help but wonder if they're being sabotaged from within.
Natalie Elphick is no wondrous victory for Labour. Starmer will be embracing the politics of Enoch Powell next! It's not just about changing the party of Government, but what change that party represents and what change in policy that party will implement
A Muslim in charge of our country know know know, vote him out before it's to late ,look what's happened to London.
Sunak will hold on as long as possible because he knows his career is finished as soon as the votes are counted.
Meanwhile the country is further damaged by his desperate politics.
Lol, the Tories train derailed back in 2013 when Cameron lied through his teeth… try that one 🤣🏴🇬🇧
The worse it gets for the country, the worse for the Tories, but unfortunately Sunak seems happy to stay. He must be oblivious to the enmity he breeds in people now. I can only assume he is making hand over fist every day.
Did Kier Starmer have to accept Elphick??
It would have been a decision by Labour Party leadership, not just Keir Starmer, but no, they did not have to accept her into their party.
If he didn't accept her that may have deterred other Tory MPs from crossing the floor.
I don't think he should have...letting someone like her into labour puts me off. He doesn't need MPs crossing over. Labour will be able to get a majority outright at the GE. Why take on the baggage?
Disgusting behaviour by the blue labour party!
I think if he didn’t accept her the Tory press would spin it Labour hasn’t changed say one thing do another…
The fact that Elphicke was apparently fine as a Tory MP but now is totally unsuitable due to her previous comments is hilariously transparent Conservative PR.
I was quite surprised to hear Rachel say that Tory MPs have an interest in holding the election earlier rather than later. I have been assuming that with the prospect of them losing 150 odd MPs, at least those 150 MPs would rather like to keep their seats, and jobs, for as long as possible. Of course those in safe seats might feel differently, especially those who fancy a shot at becoming the next leader.
I've been thinking recently that the strategic interests of the Tory Party are at odds with Sunak's interests, in that had Sunak become PM and called an immediate election the Tories would have only been in negative polling territory for only about a year, and only as bad as -20 points for about a month. So he would have lost the election, but people wouldn't remember three long years of the Tories clinging to power when they're -20 to -30 points behind. They would have been in a much better place to make a rapid recovery. But of course that would have meant Sunak only being PM for a very brief few weeks, and he wants to cling on to that job as long as possible, as this is his one and only chance to be PM.
I have to say the New Statesman podcast is my favourite political podcast, such great analysis
I have heard that there may be a lucrative deal for Sunak in India if he can hang on as PM for another few months?
They need to mobilise the OAP army. That will save them!
Politicians should learn that if you don’t do what the people want your out on your arse
This conversation continues week after week. There really is nothing more to be said. Let's just wait quietly for the end.
They love creating chaos for the people of the country ,then start shifting a goal post
😂😂😂😂😂
Compared to the previous local election, the recent one
showed a 12.5% decine in support from voters for Labour.
Did it I thought they got 35 % last year and 34 % this year
"The election result are showing you is the country is more in the centre", terrible take. Conservative voters are staying home or voting Reform. Anyone who thinks the Tory's problems stem from being too right-wing is clueless. A right-wing party doesn't increase immigration to the level of decades or centuries of previous immigration happening in a year. A right-wing government doesn't have the highest taxes in 70 years.
The problem with this approach is that Labour will have a very large majority, this may seem good but in reality no strong opposition will be available to create an incentive for Labour to differentiate itself from the Conservatives. They will just do enough to keep there positions but little incentive for radical policies to be put in place. Which is what this country needs right now.
That the Conservatives are rudderless now is simply because they’ve been rudderless for 2 decades.
No worry a vote for Labour is a vote for Tories, as shown above
De-rails? Rails implies there was ever a direction.
There`s a real danger that hes going to wait until December.
. That's OK he will lose more seats 😊
Here in Tunbridge Wells the Tories now have only 7 councillors out of 39 against the Lib Dems 22 (Labour have 5). That would have been unheard of just a few years ago.
It was a glorious result.
Polls always narrow even only by a few percentages but the shy Tory voters will come out still. Nonetheless, they are finished!!
But in front of client media, the tories are talking "hung parliament." Maybe the rules in parliament should be expanded.
Tory party must split between MP's wanting our country back and traitors that don't. A vote for stammer is a vote for an Islamic uk
The Tories are the train crash waiting to happen, a train running out of track heading straight into an immovable object, with Richi Sunak at the front. Since he will be the first person to go splat why would anyone want to get him out of the way and take his place?
It just shows how self serving Rishi is being. It seems he’s just interested in hanging on for as long as possible. I hope we don’t go into next year still waiting for a general election
Make Zero Seats a reality!
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how much did they pay?
Starmer (or rather his Leader's Office) missed a trick by not taunting Sunak to keep a head count on his back benches. He IS very dry - even giving Major a run for his money; let's just hope he's just dull and vaguely competent. Momentum, brass neck and desperate-looking psephology make marginal MPs do very strange things...
Far too late for the Tory party I'm afraid.
I believe she has apologised for her past comments and hurtful things she said about people..
People who changed parties and repent should be allowed to.....
But,but he celebrated only 1 win.
"The right wing entertainment complex". Oh behave.
Where is Anoosh?
Rishi’s hanging on the make his wife’s family even more money…funny the same media convinced the public only Rishi could save the Tories 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
reform all the way...
Fascism is not a solution.
Get Freddie out that chair
Reform uk
A channel with an increasingly confident independent analysis but which tellingly overlaps with other sane commentators outside of legacy bubbles.
Lost me at 12:45, pretty ignorant statement.
Tories will win if they all jump ship to Labour
Conservatives
Ri$Hi $UNAK #VotesMatter!
Maybe your on the wrong channel? does the Sun, Daily Express or the Telegraph have a channel you can watch, you know they use smaller words and often incorrectly, but hay you get what you pay for...
What an infantile and pointless discussion.
Actually if Labour keep making HUGE mistakes such as taking in ERG members they might not get the votes they need. When I can’t tell the difference between Labour and the bloody TORIES then it’s time to vote for another party entirely.
You’re probably not the kind of voter Labour needs then. In over 40 years there has been only one Labour leader that has won an election, compared to several Tories. Thats where the votes are, and getting into power means you’re more likely to get power again in the future. If Labour looks like a government rather than a sloppy protest movement, thats a good thing.
@@TimThat Is it only important to have POWER, then?
Tories out Now 😊
Every week Tory talk...... Never good of the country talk.
This presenter hasn't got the right voice for broadcasting. Not enough range all of his words sound the same. He needs to go learn the 'BBC accent'. Really noticeable compared to the MPs he interviews who are more seasoned public speakers.
The fact Kid Starver is allowing Tories to join his party clearly shows that there is no difference between the two of them. You are just voting out Blue Tories to allow Red Tories to take over so in reality you aren't getting rid of the Tories at all.
Well said
Utter drivel.
Conservative are a watered down Labour no difference our poor country
I don't listen to anything the Conservatives say at any level. Labour is by no means a perfect response - particularly at locally, where the loonies are in charge, certainly in London. But the country needs a new dynamic, we need to put 12 years of nonsense behind us, focus on constitutional change - we can't afford much else - and on growth. We need substantially better links with Europe. And I don't believe eco friendly policies don't work in a dying economy - that will be the thing that kills a Labour government or makes it.
If they had voted in Sunak instead of Liz, things have looked different. But the complete failure of Liz's tenure totally messed things up.
Every thing liz truss did was perfect just at the wrong time sunak is out of touch
Just hanging on for their final pay cheques. Repugnant.