They are more than just comedic rants, they are straight to the heart cutting observations of the sheer absudity of what our so called 'leaders' are doing, along with their bare faced corruption. No wonder Pie is angry, Tom is likely just as angry but holding back for this interview.
Walker's skill is that he's able to identify failings and hypocrisy on all political colours. It's just the Tories have given him bucketloads of material to work with. I'm sure whoever gets into power will not be treated any differently.
I'm sure whoever gets into power will not be treated any differently. Well they will be treated differently and it makes it harder to do so, but the corruption ineptitude and the intellectual vacuity of these Tories is not something we have seen for a 100 years.
@@jonathanstewart7838 Sadly it's directed by profit and that's all USA based. You can't have power in any country unless the USA agrees to it first. It's getting worse because everything is getting worse. Really, don't expect to much from Labour either. We saw what happened when there was an actual leftwinger, he was smeared to within an inch of his life just for asking for reasonable things. Neo Liberalism doesn't disappear with the tories.
Well that was one of the best interviews of Tom on Pie that I’ve seen in a long time. Normally the ‘interviewer’ takes a snobby stance that makes the whole thing just a defence of existence, but this guy actually allowed Tom to talk. Nice.
In my teen years we had Spitting Image to mock the Politicians, Pie is a more intelligent grown up idea of humour. I'd like to see him on say Question Time put some heat under professional politicians
I was too young to fully appreciate Spitting Image, but I always liked the idea of the show, and was impressed with the puppets, but after seeing the revival and recalling a few older sketches, I feel that most of it was scatological and vulgar than genuinely witty. The people behind the show seemed to have a childish obsession with faecal matter which makes it difficult to watch. It's a shame and such a waste of a potentially clever premise and some truly inspired puppets.
@@GregOrCreg The Spitting Image scripts weren't great. Take a look at the Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch "Constable Savage". It's over 40 years old but hasn't dated at all.
@@geoffpoole483 Totally agreed that there was/is far better satire than Spitting Image. It's just a shame because SI had the potential to be better in view of the puppets and the fact that it focused on current events.
Bearing in mind it's comedy with political bias I get more insight into what's happening in UK politics in 3 minutes watching Pie than from hours of news or documentaries. Jonathan Pie is great.
He may see his character as satire, but in truth, it is *spot on* political observation. He may be playing for laughs, but all too often, Jonathan Pie sums up what is *really* going on and *exactly* how I feel.
Even my parents could see through Blair and they voted Conservative. They hated that emptiness in him. I think they would have rathered Margaret Beckett or John Prescott was Prime Minister.
@@lemsip207Perhaps that's why because they were con-servative supporters. Things were as a matter of fact much better under the last Labour government from 1997 up until 2010
Johnathan pie is brilliant . In the 80s their were a few programs that were close to the edge but in last 20 years their was nobody taking the folk in power to task , hes a breath of fresh air :)
I've liked this character for years and he's almost the British equivalent to Australian TV show, 'Shaun Micallef's Mad As Hell'. It aired in Australia for just over 10 years and wrapped last year. The only difference between them: 'Mad As Hell' has Shaun Micallef presenting as a frustrated news anchor in studio to a live audience. Recurring actors played "guest speakers" attempting to advocate for each event reported on. But 9/10 they shot their own feet off. I used it to get my filler of weekly news, it was fantastic.
This type of political satire was rife in the thatcher era and probably played a small part in their downfall in the end, as well as being a balm, it was also on mainstream tv all the time, Pie is exactly what we need unfortunately he is 1 man and we need an army of him.
I know what you mean, and I dearly hope it does have an effect, but I wonder how effective it actually was in the past. Spitting Image was absolutely scathing of Thatcher, turning her into some weird dehumanized robotic Caligula-type figure by the end, and millions (most with only 4 TV channels and no internet) were glued to it, and laughed it up, but still apparently voted for her, when it came down to it, as long the economy was going well. The recession and the poll tax seemed to be the breaking points, and analysts now say that even 'old Labour' (with Neil Kinnock or, preferably, John Smith) would have got in at that time. Another one of those 'sliding doors' moments...!
As a man who voted for both labour and tories in the past, I can honestly say that I never considered Johnathan Pie's character as one way or the other - just a regular Brit who's genuinely pissed off at how badly our country is being run right now and voicing his anger, saying the very things that so many of us are thinking, perhaps leaning a little bit to the left, but very much aware of where the left are getting it wrong as well. Truly an ingenious satirist
@@mogznwaz How is it “punching down” when Jonathan Pie criticises the Tory Pary, which has been in power for the last fourteen years? A party which is largely made up of very rich and powerful politicians. As for bloody Brexit, well yes anyone who voted for that shambles is short of a fair few brain cells, so we should feel sorry for them rather than laugh at them. 🙄 Do you actually know what “punching down” means?
I think the first clip I saw of Jonathan Pie was indeed him saying stop calling voters from the other side stupid. It doesn't help at all, and certainly doesn't win them over. Wise words I thought.
It's such a simple thing but impossible to achieve. I genuinely believe if you put someone in a room with their ideological enemy and said 'If you just treat them as a person for 10 minutes everything you want in politics will be achieved', they would be insulting them within 10 seconds because achieving their stated goals isn't actually the goal, it's showing others how virtuous they are.
I've seen women on dating apps who have the only words in their bio being "don't talk to me if you're a Tory". There's so much bitterness in politics, if people just had a conversation like adults bridges could be formed. It's like a 'you vs me' mentality, so strange and childish to me. I have friends from both sides, discussion is nice... If we all thought the same we'd never progress as a society
@@mrcaboosevg6089 at least they are displaying their red flags in advance. I lost one friend who got his brain fried by politics. It was over the most dumb thing, he was debating my other friend and his retort to my other friends argument was 'the person you quoted is right wing' and I said 'is that supposed to invalidate their actual argument?'. They looked like a moose in highlights and slowly stopped joining us for get togethers. Last time I saw them they were a full blown toxic 'progressive' who hates everyone but has a fake veneer of a nice person.
@@TrophyGuide101 "full blown toxic 'progressive' who hates everyone but has a fake veneer of a nice person" That's one thing i do hate, someone that acts left wing and freedom loving but in reality they're an outright fascist... ANTIFA are a perfect example, the unironically anti fascist fascists. People refuse to accept both sides are valid, no one in human history has been completely left or right on all topics.
As an old left-winger I despair at both major parties. Starmers’ Labour Party is walking the same path as the Tories, just less extreme. No more heroes anymore.
He is the closest we've got to an opposition in this country. Seen this tour twice, in the diehard lefty redoubts of Oxford and Bath. The cheering to his rants (especially Coffey on the pier) was visceral. There's so much anger out there. Also, nice to see the mullet making a comeback.
@@vickygarnett7623 they weren’t there mannnn, they weren’t there (smokes cigarettes with trembling fingers)… Tbh it’s more whenever the bowl cut comes back that weirds me out.
@@vickygarnett7623 You see young people have no authentic culture of their own now that social media has homogenized and commercialized everything, so they are doomed to repeat an endless death loop of past bad taste because they are unable to create anything new.
@@mum2jka No, Clinton was an exceptionally poor candidate who caused her own loss and allowed that lump of orange snot to win. Anyway, what has that got to do with Pie?
@@piccalillipit9211He was spot-on about the dangers of vilifying political opponents and their supporters. A lesson that we sadly haven’t learned, quite the opposite.
@@kaasmeester5903i don’t want to be that guy but I feel like calling Trump voters deplorables is bad but backing this government after it’s failures in literally every metric for the last 14 years is worth the shame. There’s only so long someone can be blind to the truth before there’s no point trying to be nice to them. There’s a difference between disagreement on abortion for example and hard evidence that the government that you’ve voted for has failed on their manifesto to the tune of 80% failure rate and to vote again for them when they don’t have a functioning plan or the ability to generate new ones.
There is not an election for a party of government. It doesn't work like that in the U.K. Of the 650 constituency M.P.s, if a majority want to form a Government, so be it. But you probably know that. Labour came to power with a big majority under Blair, and I particularly remember Rory Bremner ridiculing Blair for "The answer is people". Whoever is in power will be ridiculed if they deserve it, even by those who seem to be natural supporters. Which is great when PMQ's have become a detached yelling-match that alienates ordinary people.
I’m sick of putting up with the lesser of two evils, but the brainwashed masses still seem to tolerate this totally corrupt system that we’re living under.
Hence why I'm writing to my local MP (yeah I know nothing will probably happen) if there is no electoral reform enacted by the next government. We need proportional representation!
@user-bv5lc1nf5d proportional systems like STV would not prevent greater representation for radically left or right wing parties, but would still not allow them to getting in to power, as the system favours coalitions instead. Regardless of hypothetical scenarios, Reclaim, Reform and the like would remain fringe parties with only a handful of MPs despite the change in system. They certainly wouldn't be forming any governments, it would be a situation very like Germany at present, but certainly not Germany like in 1936 like a lot of people seem to worry about...
He is the voice of the people!!! The people that voted brexit and Tory are gross not Jonathan pie 🥧 😂 he’s just succinctly expressing what many people are feeling, truth hurts???
That's what happens when you grow out the modern man's haircut. You know the one that looks like you've been locked up in a foreign jail or been conscripted to the army in the past. Long on the top, almost shaved at the sides The Turkish barber look. 🤣
We British are SO DAMN Fortunate to HAVE Jonathan Pie in our orbit....SO very needed...for the LAST 46 YEARS...with Pie & O'Brien on LBC...a perfect duo of reasoned, articulate & entertainingly linguistic narrative encompassing ALL that Britain has endured since 1979....WONDERFUL...LIVE LONG and PROSPER, Mate...Totally excellent & MUCH appreciated!
"This is Colin Baker, the Old Bailey......soaked.....married, with several children....an aching heart......pissed off.....really dreadfully pissed off"
@@roberthorwat6747 If I remember, Baker's report had almost no details, he hadn't even been given the names of the defendants, he had obviously been told to stand there in the pouring rain doing an utterly pointless report with no information. I remember all this because my friend's dad worked for ITN and at Xmas parties, they would recite Baker's diatribe in the same way that Monty Python fans can recite whole sketches :)
I'm not sure I'd really picked up on Pie's political ideology until this interview. I'd always seen him as ranting against any injustice or stupidity. The fact that it's currently more targeted against the Tories is just that Labour hasn't had the chance to mess it up for the past 14 years. I'm sure Pie will have just as much material to work with after the election no matter who wins.
Great observations, demonising your opponents voters, no matter how much you dislike their views, does neither side any favours. Also liked the point about politicians not feeling like they can be in a position to apologise for getting something wrong. I think changing that narrative would instantly restore a small measure of integrity back into politics across the spectrum.
Now, if only Conservatives weren't demonizing the left for the last fifty years, we'd likely be able to get along. But, being told that "healthcare is a human right" and "We shouldn't pick on minorities" gets them screaming that you're a dirty commie, so, hard to justify treating people nice, when they are dead set on bringing the world back to the rule of kings.
Pie is a legend. Being ex rescue services I have been interviewed live, then when the live report cut, the presenters really went to town on the idiots who caused incident. Pie has the ECHR carinage, Rwanda, Labour back tracking on election promises. ( it will be hard with the debt the UK is in!)
The Labour party introduced the minimum wage, the NHS, workers rights etc. The politicians are not all the same. The tory party are responsible for the mess .They only care about their bank balance.
The current tories are the worst. But the Labour Party didn’t introduce workers rights. That was the liberal party from 1830 up to ww1. The Labour Party continued the tradition. And although I would applaud the NHS and the minimum wage, they also introduced the ;government messing with private businesses’ philosophy that destroyed our automotive and aviation industries. Nobody is perfect.
I was over in London from South Africa for the last two weeks and finally able to see him in the flesh at the Duke of York theatre. He was ABSOLUTELY EFFING BRILLIANT!!! Thanks so much Tom for creating JP in the first place but then putting together a show which as @rrbh says below your rants are even ten times better than the ones we have here on TH-cam. I think the whole audience raged along with every word.
Ian Hislop has managed to satirise all sides, and for broadly the same failings as Pie does. I'll be surprised if Tom Walker doesn't make the same shift if (when?) we get a different government.
Kier is a multi millionaire, angela rayner wanting to stop right to buy all while her and her family profited from it, critising the civil service credit card useage claiming £1,500 for an ipad and personalised airpods shes the biggest hypocrite of the lot
He played Tom Parker Bowles in a made for TV film about Prince William following the death of his mother. His father made him hang out with Camilla's children but they were a bad influence on him.
I never thought I'd show a slight interest in politics. Pie was the first one to change my mind and I am eternally grateful, I hate how my generation (Gen Z) are always stereotyped as unbothered by current world events, I think there has been a very notable shift, especially as we've grown through events that mature you quicker than usual like the pandemic and witnessing global governmental failure to protect it's people that we are just pissed off, utterly pissed off at the how the state of the world has come to this
I think they seem to have gone back to Victorian times where the rich parliament ridicule or ignore the feelings of everyday people. I can't believe what Suella Braverman did; you read that in pieces about Russia or Iran. 😢
I think it’s odd that Sir Kier is never mentioned as a Sir, a Knight of the realm, like it’s hidden like a hush hush, dirty title. “Labour is for the common man” they say, with a Sir at the helm….
Tom, your idea of choice in your next election is how I consider mine; we’re not voting for a candidate per se, but rather we’re voting against a candidate. Anyone but Trump secures my vote. Anyone but Tory probably gets yours PS. You should get awards for the best rants ever. love them.
Isn’t that what happened back in 2016 as well? Trump was a bit of an unknown, politically speaking. While Clinton was the very embodiment of everything that people thought was wrong with politics. I’m no American, but in ‘16 I might have very well voted against Clinton, i.e. for Trump.
I think over here its a rejection of the tory manner of governing that people are rejecting, we can't really vote against any particular candidate because they never last long enough to become the central problem. The last two didn't even win a general election, just a tory party leadership campaign. Its been 14 years now and we are just sick of the constant scandal and lack of actual governing. I think most people just want politics to be boring again, to not have this constant stream of half mad weirdos in charge and the constant scandals.
perfection! Partridge wit and sardonic laughter at the idiocy Boris was part of and is now continued in uk politics. Love this and he got it just right at the right time.many times
The brilliant thing about the early Spitting Image programmes was that they lampooned all politicians, [some more than others] even though the writers were mostly left wing minded they still targeted the political elite across the board. The problem comes when the motivation to make the programme becomes politically biased, because it then turn from comedy into propaganda.
Was just scrolling through the comments on the Big TV - living room - and noticed observations of the interviewer's Mullet, had to find somewhere to reply, so here it goes... I'm deaf so rely on subtitles and can't distinguish accents, does the back of Mullet Man remind anybody of Maggot from Goldie Looking Chain? If he's got a Welsh accent...
Johnathan Pie is "It'll be alright on the night" with a Machette in one hand and "Roger's Profanasaurus" in the other. Top content on any platform. Cheers
Tom…remember voting reform to PR. Absolutely vital. Also note…US election 2016…Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. But because of FPTP and the Electoral College idiocy….Trump became president.
To be fair, if the electoral system was different, parties would drastically change where and how they campaign and how their party supports different areas where they are in government. That means the vote share would be pretty different to the 3 million gap in 2016. Republicans barely campaign in Democrat stronghold states and voters who know their party has no chance of winning (or losing) don't turn out. US Electoral college is still a stupid system and needs reform though, but it's not as simple as looking at the difference in vote share
Blaming the electoral system and saying that my candidate would have won if we had a different electoral system is a bit like playing Monopoly and then claiming that you should have won because you'd have won if playing Go For Broke. Personally, I dread us moving to PR, because European elections prove that it fosters extremist parties (e.g. AfD). The point of the British Parliamentary system is that the person who is elected has to represent all their constituents regardless of if they voted for you or not, which leads to more moderate people in power. In PR, the only people the politicians are bound to represent are their own ideology, which tends to be pushed more and more extreme, because that's how echo chambers work. The loudest voices influence the politicians more and more, and the quiet, less extreme voters get dragged along with them as the party goes further and further left or right one step at a time - often without those quiet people even noticing. There's a reason no far right party ever gets a sniff in British politics - it's because by design, extremists can't get in. Is FPTP perfect? Hell no, I would much rather a transferable vote system, but I much prefer it to PR.
@@Afterthoughtbtw First Past the Post just means that we have a very extreme Fascist like Tory faction in control of the Conservative Party and that some of them are extremely difficult electorally to oust, due to stronghold wards being one party seats and rather safe. With Proportional Representation, so long as parties are willing to enter into coalitions, extremist parties can be kept out of power. The Nazis in 30s Germany never won a majority. Hitler was appointed by the Independent (conservative) Hindenburg in which he used the position to push for emergency powers and getting the right wing and centralist parties to grant him those powers to outlaw the left wing. Hitler had to outlaw all opposition first before he could win a majority.
@@Kingofturves I'm trying to work out if you are disagreeing with me, or agreeing. You start off saying you disagree with me, and then you go on to prove my points. Also, the Tories? Extreme Fascists? I don't like the Tories by any means, but... I don't even know how to begin responding to such absurdity.
"The child of Partidge and Tucker"............. PERFECT! Thank you Tom!! Having seen Pie (Tom Walker) live, all i can say is "How the hell does he remember it all, and where does he get the energy from' Without doubt the best live performer, in any genre, I have ever seen, and i have seen Dave Allen, Led Zeppelin, Dara O'Briain and Pink Floyd to name but four!!
...what do news reporters do between turds... A wonderful turn of phrase. "Thinking while speaking" is wonderful when somebody says the truth while speaking out loud. Comedy, satire and irony are the comic's best friend.
Initially, I thought the "Havng a pop at Brexit and Tory voters is 'gross'" tag was another bit of satire, but listening to the interview in full, he's 100% right. I cringe at Hilary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" line. I wouldn't say that statement alone cost her the entire 2016 election, but it definitely didn't help. You don't win an election by attacking the electorate. You have to give them a reason to support you, and attacking and alienating them means you've lost a potential voter for life.
What the Liberals don't understand is that Remain and Clinton both threw away winning positions because they completely failed to understand their opponents.
You haven't been reading election results correctly, more than half the country voted against both Tories and Brexit and seen them turn extreme right, then break Britain with delusional policies.
Amazes me as well. I'm not attacking the Tory voters however I have a few of them around me who still think Brexit was good for the country, that the NHS is in difficulties because of immigrants and those desperate boat people and not the politicians they've elected, etc. There's no way to change their minds.
That is completely false. The only reason that the Conservatives have been so successful historically, is that the non-Tory vote has always been split, sometimes 3 or 4 ways. The fact that Brexshit voting, GB News watching trash now have a "viable" (!?) alternative in Reform, simply balances things up a bit electorally.
Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary b/c she called them "deplorable" wasn't going to vote for her in the first place. And she was right--they are. That's how we've gotten to the cusp of Gilead.
Here's some extra material for Pie , lots of labour right voted Tories in 2017 & 2019 inc Ian Watson &John Mann , both rewarded with peerages by Boris.
If Labour does get in, Starmer (much like Blair) seems to be much more right/new labour than labour of old so I think there's still going to be plenty of material (unfortunately).
@@iqunknown786 This week we have a Tory who was bullied out of £5000 to pay off cocaine dealers. It’s not easy to understand but it is understandable if you put in a little bit of effort.
Love Jonathan Pie, but I disagree on his rebuttal of the 'they're all the same' claim...sure Sunak is a multi-millionaire, Starmer is the son of fairly ordinary parents, but they're both puppets of the same system (one a happy puppet, the other more equivocal)..as for hypocrisy, Starmer really would win first prize (those of us on the Left may hate compromise, but is it too much to ask for basic principles like honesty in a Labour leader?)
Starter likes to claim his dad was just a toolmaker, he neglects to mention that he actually owned a tool factory. And that’s fine but don’t pretend your working class when you are clearly not.
@@zappasmoustache23Like Sunak, who sold the tearful story of the poor immigrant family. They were able to open a pharmacy at the time when people from India who used to be processors in their own country worked in a tyre factory or as a post office sorter. They didn't exactly spend their family's wealth on a one way ticket to London.
I don't watch Pie for fun or light-hearted giggle sessions - his rants are generally how I am feeling , so I rage along with every word.
They are more than just comedic rants, they are straight to the heart cutting observations of the sheer absudity of what our so called 'leaders' are doing, along with their bare faced corruption. No wonder Pie is angry, Tom is likely just as angry but holding back for this interview.
He makes MSN seem like a parody in which it is compared to Pies rants of truth
Me too. He just gets it
@rrbh I feel the same. I call it 'second-hand catharsis'.
100% agree
This man has become the voice of a frustrated, unheard, and tired generation.
49% of a tired generation
He's the voice of whiney, virtue signalling city dwellers that have no idea about the real world.
No 99%
@terryfinch9319 reality and maths missing from your reply.
the voice of half a frustrated, unheard and tired generation.
Walker's skill is that he's able to identify failings and hypocrisy on all political colours. It's just the Tories have given him bucketloads of material to work with. I'm sure whoever gets into power will not be treated any differently.
i think he probably just trawls web comments & repackages what 'we' are saying, then sells it back to us
nonsense
@@johncannon3411 That word doesn't mean what you think it does.
I'm sure whoever gets into power will not be treated any differently.
Well they will be treated differently and it makes it harder to do so, but the corruption ineptitude and the intellectual vacuity of these Tories is not something we have seen for a 100 years.
@@jonathanstewart7838 Sadly it's directed by profit and that's all USA based. You can't have power in any country unless the USA agrees to it first. It's getting worse because everything is getting worse. Really, don't expect to much from Labour either. We saw what happened when there was an actual leftwinger, he was smeared to within an inch of his life just for asking for reasonable things.
Neo Liberalism doesn't disappear with the tories.
How this brilliant actor could ever have been out of work is a mystery to me!
Well that was one of the best interviews of Tom on Pie that I’ve seen in a long time. Normally the ‘interviewer’ takes a snobby stance that makes the whole thing just a defence of existence, but this guy actually allowed Tom to talk. Nice.
Surely you can't be snobby when in possession of a trailer park mullet?
@@phily8093 well maybe that’s the solution eh? All we need is the entire news team of Channel 4 and the BBC to all get mullets!
@@Lumibear. It's no doubt happening as we speak
@@phily8093 Can’t wait to see it! XD
@@jamesf8864 I see what you did there. 😉
In my teen years we had Spitting Image to mock the Politicians, Pie is a more intelligent grown up idea of humour.
I'd like to see him on say Question Time put some heat under professional politicians
I was too young to fully appreciate Spitting Image, but I always liked the idea of the show, and was impressed with the puppets, but after seeing the revival and recalling a few older sketches, I feel that most of it was scatological and vulgar than genuinely witty. The people behind the show seemed to have a childish obsession with faecal matter which makes it difficult to watch. It's a shame and such a waste of a potentially clever premise and some truly inspired puppets.
@@GregOrCreg The Spitting Image scripts weren't great. Take a look at the Not the Nine O'Clock News sketch "Constable Savage". It's over 40 years old but hasn't dated at all.
@@geoffpoole483 Totally agreed that there was/is far better satire than Spitting Image. It's just a shame because SI had the potential to be better in view of the puppets and the fact that it focused on current events.
Also 'Yes Minister' stranger than fiction
@@markrhoden68 I was a bit too young for that, but I've read some of the scripts, and they were indeed very sharp and clever.
Bearing in mind it's comedy with political bias I get more insight into what's happening in UK politics in 3 minutes watching Pie than from hours of news or documentaries. Jonathan Pie is great.
i find Pie's videos are bang on every time.....
He may see his character as satire, but in truth, it is *spot on* political observation.
He may be playing for laughs, but all too often, Jonathan Pie sums up what is *really* going on and *exactly* how I feel.
I mean not to be that person but, that is satire.
I think he is great, but I don't laugh and it isn't funny. It is too grim and too accurate to be amusing.
“If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.”
- George Bernard Shaw
Jonathan pie is amazing
The comedian we need, not the comedian we deserve
Any successful venture requires a NEED at its inception and there has been a NEED for a Jonathan Pie for quite a while. Bravo Tom.
I remember when Rik Mayall’s character Alan B’Stard switched to New Labour. Genius.
Not much of a switch, to be fair!
Yes, and remember how anti-Thatcher the actual writers were!
Even my parents could see through Blair and they voted Conservative. They hated that emptiness in him. I think they would have rathered Margaret Beckett or John Prescott was Prime Minister.
hmm all the sure-start projects!
@@lemsip207Perhaps that's why because they were con-servative supporters. Things were as a matter of fact much better under the last Labour government from 1997 up until 2010
Johnathan pie is brilliant . In the 80s their were a few programs that were close to the edge but in last 20 years their was nobody taking the folk in power to task , hes a breath of fresh air :)
I've liked this character for years and he's almost the British equivalent to Australian TV show, 'Shaun Micallef's Mad As Hell'. It aired in Australia for just over 10 years and wrapped last year. The only difference between them: 'Mad As Hell' has Shaun Micallef presenting as a frustrated news anchor in studio to a live audience. Recurring actors played "guest speakers" attempting to advocate for each event reported on. But 9/10 they shot their own feet off. I used it to get my filler of weekly news, it was fantastic.
No love for ian hislop then eh
@@dominicparker6124 lots respect for Ian hislop :)
@@dominicparker6124 love Ian hislop:)
This type of political satire was rife in the thatcher era and probably played a small part in their downfall in the end, as well as being a balm, it was also on mainstream tv all the time, Pie is exactly what we need unfortunately he is 1 man and we need an army of him.
It was funny. And richly deserved. Shame kids are more interested in brain dead TikTok videos now. :(
I know what you mean, and I dearly hope it does have an effect, but I wonder how effective it actually was in the past.
Spitting Image was absolutely scathing of Thatcher, turning her into some weird dehumanized robotic Caligula-type figure by the end, and millions (most with only 4 TV channels and no internet) were glued to it, and laughed it up, but still apparently voted for her, when it came down to it, as long the economy was going well.
The recession and the poll tax seemed to be the breaking points, and analysts now say that even 'old Labour' (with Neil Kinnock or, preferably, John Smith) would have got in at that time. Another one of those 'sliding doors' moments...!
The army is already on the street. Uniform consists of a stretched out ear lobes and blue/green hair.
Genius. Pure and simple.
As a man who voted for both labour and tories in the past, I can honestly say that I never considered Johnathan Pie's character as one way or the other - just a regular Brit who's genuinely pissed off at how badly our country is being run right now and voicing his anger, saying the very things that so many of us are thinking, perhaps leaning a little bit to the left, but very much aware of where the left are getting it wrong as well. Truly an ingenious satirist
Agree
.100 %.
He used to be like that- but he’s just become a ranty Tory and Brexit hater and it’s just not funny it’s really punching down actually
@@mogznwaz How is it “punching down” when Jonathan Pie criticises the Tory Pary, which has been in power for the last fourteen years? A party which is largely made up of very rich and powerful politicians.
As for bloody Brexit, well yes anyone who voted for that shambles is short of a fair few brain cells, so we should feel sorry for them rather than laugh at them. 🙄
Do you actually know what “punching down” means?
@@mogznwazoh get over yourself. He speaks the truth. This is what the general public feels, truly infuriating.
@@mogznwazby Brexit hater you mean an intelligent Brit?
I think the first clip I saw of Jonathan Pie was indeed him saying stop calling voters from the other side stupid. It doesn't help at all, and certainly doesn't win them over.
Wise words I thought.
It's such a simple thing but impossible to achieve. I genuinely believe if you put someone in a room with their ideological enemy and said 'If you just treat them as a person for 10 minutes everything you want in politics will be achieved', they would be insulting them within 10 seconds because achieving their stated goals isn't actually the goal, it's showing others how virtuous they are.
I've seen women on dating apps who have the only words in their bio being "don't talk to me if you're a Tory". There's so much bitterness in politics, if people just had a conversation like adults bridges could be formed. It's like a 'you vs me' mentality, so strange and childish to me. I have friends from both sides, discussion is nice... If we all thought the same we'd never progress as a society
@@mrcaboosevg6089 at least they are displaying their red flags in advance. I lost one friend who got his brain fried by politics. It was over the most dumb thing, he was debating my other friend and his retort to my other friends argument was 'the person you quoted is right wing' and I said 'is that supposed to invalidate their actual argument?'. They looked like a moose in highlights and slowly stopped joining us for get togethers. Last time I saw them they were a full blown toxic 'progressive' who hates everyone but has a fake veneer of a nice person.
@@TrophyGuide101 "full blown toxic 'progressive' who hates everyone but has a fake veneer of a nice person" That's one thing i do hate, someone that acts left wing and freedom loving but in reality they're an outright fascist... ANTIFA are a perfect example, the unironically anti fascist fascists.
People refuse to accept both sides are valid, no one in human history has been completely left or right on all topics.
I think pie is absolutely brilliant. Please keep going
As an old left-winger I despair at both major parties. Starmers’ Labour Party is walking the same path as the Tories, just less extreme.
No more heroes anymore.
Ha
Agree, the choice should be between losing a leg or an arm. There should be a 3rd option which allows you to keep both!!!
Reform is only sensible option
@@JT_Williamswhy?
@@markianrossBecause all sane people hate Labour and the Tories with equal contempt.
True talent! This mans contribution to satire is
Without doubt genius
Thank you!!
He is the closest we've got to an opposition in this country.
Seen this tour twice, in the diehard lefty redoubts of Oxford and Bath. The cheering to his rants (especially Coffey on the pier) was visceral. There's so much anger out there.
Also, nice to see the mullet making a comeback.
Lefty? Is he?
I’m sure there are plenty of left wing students in Bath, Oxford
@@jakehowie442 Most of the audiences were in their 40s or above.
Absolutely agree. His sledgehammer satire projects the anger and frustration most people are feeling. He's brilliant.
We saw him in Oxford a year or so after the Brexit vote. His support act bombed, very badly, for his apparent Brexit supporting views.
This guy is a legend.. very insightful.
All my brain is doing is going, "Blah, blah, blah, MULLET!"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
WHY do young people think this a good look? They clearly didn’t live through the trauma the first time round.
@@vickygarnett7623 they weren’t there mannnn, they weren’t there (smokes cigarettes with trembling fingers)…
Tbh it’s more whenever the bowl cut comes back that weirds me out.
@@Lumibear. I blame late nineties to early 2000's emo for the Return Of The Bowl Cut
@@vickygarnett7623 You see young people have no authentic culture of their own now that social media has homogenized and commercialized everything, so they are doomed to repeat an endless death loop of past bad taste because they are unable to create anything new.
I'm a Labour supporter and even I think Keir is worthy of ridicule
You can support a party and still hold them to account. I would imagine Labour voters are going to have a shock when nothing changes
Many lifelong labour voters absolutely loathe starmer so you're in good company
Keep going with Pie...he says very succinctly what most of us are thinking ❤
Did I just witness someone from the north east doing an interview? Refreshing.
Sadly ruined by an horrendous mullet.
@@user-pm8uc5dc3e Appearance has nothing to do with skill.
Also, it's "a mullet". Not "an mullet".
@@nebularain3338 Get an haircut you scruff
@@user-pm8uc5dc3e Let’s not judge a book by its cover - even if the cover is pretty terrible.
Definitely "an" horrendous mullet and a good interviewer/interview.
I love listening to jonathon
He's always on point
Pie's cover of Trump's win in 2016 was pure comedic genius.
Or was it the cover of Clinton losing in 2016 that was brilliant...
It was the single best take on it of any commentator - it was exceptionally good.
@@mum2jka No, Clinton was an exceptionally poor candidate who caused her own loss and allowed that lump of orange snot to win. Anyway, what has that got to do with Pie?
@@piccalillipit9211He was spot-on about the dangers of vilifying political opponents and their supporters. A lesson that we sadly haven’t learned, quite the opposite.
@@kaasmeester5903i don’t want to be that guy but I feel like calling Trump voters deplorables is bad but backing this government after it’s failures in literally every metric for the last 14 years is worth the shame. There’s only so long someone can be blind to the truth before there’s no point trying to be nice to them. There’s a difference between disagreement on abortion for example and hard evidence that the government that you’ve voted for has failed on their manifesto to the tune of 80% failure rate and to vote again for them when they don’t have a functioning plan or the ability to generate new ones.
Went to see him live and was blown away by this...would thoroughly recommend :)
That interviewer must be in demand, Pie got him halfway through his haircut!
What an embarrassment to walk down the street like that ay? The mind boggles.
@@Warbaman Mullet is as Mullet does, champ
Best comment! It's compounded when they have a moustache to boot. The early 80's look is not one I thought would come back.
He is absolutely superb. It’s so often how I feel.
Sadly, I think that if Labour win the next election, Tom will not suffer from a lack of material.
They are politicians, the statement that they will mess up is like saying gravity pulls things down. Not the astute observation you think, perhaps?
if he stops he would be biased. the point is to hold government to account, not be a labour fanboy
There is not an election for a party of government. It doesn't work like that in the U.K. Of the 650 constituency M.P.s, if a majority want to form a Government, so be it. But you probably know that.
Labour came to power with a big majority under Blair, and I particularly remember Rory Bremner ridiculing Blair for "The answer is people". Whoever is in power will be ridiculed if they deserve it, even by those who seem to be natural supporters. Which is great when PMQ's have become a detached yelling-match that alienates ordinary people.
I’m sick of putting up with the lesser of two evils, but the brainwashed masses still seem to tolerate this totally corrupt system that we’re living under.
Hence why I'm writing to my local MP (yeah I know nothing will probably happen) if there is no electoral reform enacted by the next government. We need proportional representation!
@user-bv5lc1nf5d proportional systems like STV would not prevent greater representation for radically left or right wing parties, but would still not allow them to getting in to power, as the system favours coalitions instead. Regardless of hypothetical scenarios, Reclaim, Reform and the like would remain fringe parties with only a handful of MPs despite the change in system. They certainly wouldn't be forming any governments, it would be a situation very like Germany at present, but certainly not Germany like in 1936 like a lot of people seem to worry about...
Five or ten years! If their absence from power is proportional to the damage done…. 100 years, never?
Pie helps me to understand important events in the UK. Nothing less than that. On top of that Pie allows me to feel what I feel.
This guy is absolutely brilliant, he says what a real interviewer should say , instead of media right wing bias that our toxic media dish out
He is the voice of the people!!! The people that voted brexit and Tory are gross not Jonathan pie 🥧 😂 he’s just succinctly expressing what many people are feeling, truth hurts???
I can't get over that guys Mullet 🤣
Sensational 🪮
It screams Duesseldorf 1986. He just needs the bleached jeans to go with it.
That's what happens when you grow out the modern man's haircut. You know the one that looks like you've been locked up in a foreign jail or been conscripted to the army in the past. Long on the top, almost shaved at the sides The Turkish barber look. 🤣
I love how younger folks currently often look like they're cosplaying as extras from 80s episodes of Home and Away.
@@Kettlepip It’s a sign of their desperation.
We British are SO DAMN Fortunate to HAVE Jonathan Pie in our orbit....SO very needed...for the LAST 46 YEARS...with Pie & O'Brien on LBC...a perfect duo of reasoned, articulate & entertainingly linguistic narrative encompassing ALL that Britain has endured since 1979....WONDERFUL...LIVE LONG and PROSPER, Mate...Totally excellent & MUCH appreciated!
I've got a list of my favourite sketches...... it's my Pie Chart 🤭
I remember when Colin Baker was at Westminster, cold feet, warm heart, married, several children, pissed off, dreadfully pissed off!
"This is Colin Baker, the Old Bailey......soaked.....married, with several children....an aching heart......pissed off.....really dreadfully pissed off"
@@Bromley68 spot on! It was a long time ago and actually funnier than I remembered it🤣
@@roberthorwat6747 If I remember, Baker's report had almost no details, he hadn't even been given the names of the defendants, he had obviously been told to stand there in the pouring rain doing an utterly pointless report with no information.
I remember all this because my friend's dad worked for ITN and at Xmas parties, they would recite Baker's diatribe in the same way that Monty Python fans can recite whole sketches :)
I'm not sure I'd really picked up on Pie's political ideology until this interview. I'd always seen him as ranting against any injustice or stupidity. The fact that it's currently more targeted against the Tories is just that Labour hasn't had the chance to mess it up for the past 14 years. I'm sure Pie will have just as much material to work with after the election no matter who wins.
Great observations, demonising your opponents voters, no matter how much you dislike their views, does neither side any favours. Also liked the point about politicians not feeling like they can be in a position to apologise for getting something wrong. I think changing that narrative would instantly restore a small measure of integrity back into politics across the spectrum.
Now, if only Conservatives weren't demonizing the left for the last fifty years, we'd likely be able to get along.
But, being told that "healthcare is a human right" and "We shouldn't pick on minorities" gets them screaming that you're a dirty commie, so, hard to justify treating people nice, when they are dead set on bringing the world back to the rule of kings.
Love, love, love your work.
Pie is a legend. Being ex rescue services I have been interviewed live, then when the live report cut, the presenters really went to town on the idiots who caused incident.
Pie has the ECHR carinage, Rwanda, Labour back tracking on election promises. ( it will be hard with the debt the UK is in!)
Pie is fantastic. Brilliant!
The Labour party introduced the minimum wage, the NHS, workers rights etc. The politicians are not all the same. The tory party are responsible for the mess .They only care about their bank balance.
The Labour Party has not done a thing for the working classes. They ruined this country under Blair.
You're literally describing Kid Starver
Yea, a bit like Madonna, I only like their early stuff. All the recent stuff is rubbish.
@@Samuel-hd3cp The Tories have been like Boyz II men for a long time.Just ask Mr Menzies and his friends in the party.
The current tories are the worst. But the Labour Party didn’t introduce workers rights. That was the liberal party from 1830 up to ww1. The Labour Party continued the tradition. And although I would applaud the NHS and the minimum wage, they also introduced the ;government messing with private businesses’ philosophy that destroyed our automotive and aviation industries. Nobody is perfect.
I was over in London from South Africa for the last two weeks and finally able to see him in the flesh at the Duke of York theatre. He was ABSOLUTELY EFFING BRILLIANT!!!
Thanks so much Tom for creating JP in the first place but then putting together a show which as @rrbh says below your rants are even ten times better than the ones we have here on TH-cam. I think the whole audience raged along with every word.
Ian Hislop has managed to satirise all sides, and for broadly the same failings as Pie does. I'll be surprised if Tom Walker doesn't make the same shift if (when?) we get a different government.
Kier is a multi millionaire, angela rayner wanting to stop right to buy all while her and her family profited from it, critising the civil service credit card useage claiming £1,500 for an ipad and personalised airpods shes the biggest hypocrite of the lot
An out of work actor jumped at the chance to commodify impotent rage. A strong earner in 2020s Britain.
He taps into the visceral rage felt by the true majority against this appalling Tory regime and their awful brexit.
He played Tom Parker Bowles in a made for TV film about Prince William following the death of his mother. His father made him hang out with Camilla's children but they were a bad influence on him.
Anyone who holds politicians to account is worth his pay.
After 14 years of failure (self inflicted it may be) is it still impotent?
I never thought I'd show a slight interest in politics. Pie was the first one to change my mind and I am eternally grateful, I hate how my generation (Gen Z) are always stereotyped as unbothered by current world events, I think there has been a very notable shift, especially as we've grown through events that mature you quicker than usual like the pandemic and witnessing global governmental failure to protect it's people that we are just pissed off, utterly pissed off at the how the state of the world has come to this
Was great to see him Live
Jonathan is spot on, 14 yrs of tory government, and instead of making things better they've just made everything a whole lot worse
I think they seem to have gone back to Victorian times where the rich parliament ridicule or ignore the feelings of everyday people. I can't believe what Suella Braverman did; you read that in pieces about Russia or Iran. 😢
I think it’s odd that Sir Kier is never mentioned as a Sir, a Knight of the realm, like it’s hidden like a hush hush, dirty title. “Labour is for the common man” they say, with a Sir at the helm….
He got this because of his position and it is a tradition that the role holder gets it.
Utterly brilliant! 😍
Tom, your idea of choice in your next election is how I consider mine; we’re not voting for a candidate per se, but rather we’re voting against a candidate. Anyone but Trump secures my vote. Anyone but Tory probably gets yours PS. You should get awards for the best rants ever. love them.
unfortunately the tories arent the worst in uk. we have growing far right parties like reform uk.
@@millennialmale4879 I see reform as a positive thing, because it means we'll get a change in government, even if it is 2024-era Labour.
Isn’t that what happened back in 2016 as well? Trump was a bit of an unknown, politically speaking. While Clinton was the very embodiment of everything that people thought was wrong with politics. I’m no American, but in ‘16 I might have very well voted against Clinton, i.e. for Trump.
I think over here its a rejection of the tory manner of governing that people are rejecting, we can't really vote against any particular candidate because they never last long enough to become the central problem. The last two didn't even win a general election, just a tory party leadership campaign. Its been 14 years now and we are just sick of the constant scandal and lack of actual governing. I think most people just want politics to be boring again, to not have this constant stream of half mad weirdos in charge and the constant scandals.
@@stephenoxfthat’s insane
We all want the chaos to end. 🤷🏻♀️
I generally thought Pie was a real-life mate of James O'brien lol.
perfection! Partridge wit and sardonic laughter at the idiocy Boris was part of and is now continued in uk politics. Love this and he got it just right at the right time.many times
He says what we are all thinking and want to yell out loud.
Good for you JP. You tell the truth
The brilliant thing about the early Spitting Image programmes was that they lampooned all politicians, [some more than others] even though the writers were mostly left wing minded they still targeted the political elite across the board.
The problem comes when the motivation to make the programme becomes politically biased, because it then turn from comedy into propaganda.
Well said Tom we needed you and unfortunately I think after Starmer takes over we'll continue to need you, don't kill off Johnathan Pie.
We need more people like pie in parliament ❤
...so more made up characters?
We have enough comedians
More lefties ? Surely we’ve got enough ?!?
More people who refuse to discuss their tax arrangements for money they were given by Russian state propagandists? Is that what we need? Really?
Making an actor president didn't work out half bad for Ukraine. (I'm not so sure about the US in the 80s.)
Was just scrolling through the comments on the Big TV - living room - and noticed observations of the interviewer's Mullet, had to find somewhere to reply, so here it goes... I'm deaf so rely on subtitles and can't distinguish accents, does the back of Mullet Man remind anybody of Maggot from Goldie Looking Chain? If he's got a Welsh accent...
The worst thing about Bill Cosby was the hypocrisy.
Nice nod to norm macdonald.
I dunno. I think sexual assault is pretty bad.
0:03 No, they don't. I always thought he was real :) didn't realise the guy was a comedian until Rob Brydon interview.
Johnathan Pie is "It'll be alright on the night" with a Machette in one hand and "Roger's Profanasaurus" in the other.
Top content on any platform. Cheers
I've never heard Tom talking before and this is brilliant 👏🏼 ❤
Pie the character will have plenty to complain about when he realises the tories are still in power just wearing red 😂
As a Dutchy I can only say; hats off to you sir…
OMG 😱 Jonathan Partridge-Tucker! 😅
If you ever get the chance to see him live, do it.......he's brilliant!
Tom…remember voting reform to PR. Absolutely vital. Also note…US election 2016…Clinton got 3 million more votes than Trump. But because of FPTP and the Electoral College idiocy….Trump became president.
To be fair, if the electoral system was different, parties would drastically change where and how they campaign and how their party supports different areas where they are in government. That means the vote share would be pretty different to the 3 million gap in 2016. Republicans barely campaign in Democrat stronghold states and voters who know their party has no chance of winning (or losing) don't turn out. US Electoral college is still a stupid system and needs reform though, but it's not as simple as looking at the difference in vote share
Blaming the electoral system and saying that my candidate would have won if we had a different electoral system is a bit like playing Monopoly and then claiming that you should have won because you'd have won if playing Go For Broke.
Personally, I dread us moving to PR, because European elections prove that it fosters extremist parties (e.g. AfD). The point of the British Parliamentary system is that the person who is elected has to represent all their constituents regardless of if they voted for you or not, which leads to more moderate people in power. In PR, the only people the politicians are bound to represent are their own ideology, which tends to be pushed more and more extreme, because that's how echo chambers work. The loudest voices influence the politicians more and more, and the quiet, less extreme voters get dragged along with them as the party goes further and further left or right one step at a time - often without those quiet people even noticing. There's a reason no far right party ever gets a sniff in British politics - it's because by design, extremists can't get in.
Is FPTP perfect? Hell no, I would much rather a transferable vote system, but I much prefer it to PR.
@@Afterthoughtbtw First Past the Post just means that we have a very extreme Fascist like Tory faction in control of the Conservative Party and that some of them are extremely difficult electorally to oust, due to stronghold wards being one party seats and rather safe.
With Proportional Representation, so long as parties are willing to enter into coalitions, extremist parties can be kept out of power.
The Nazis in 30s Germany never won a majority. Hitler was appointed by the Independent (conservative) Hindenburg in which he used the position to push for emergency powers and getting the right wing and centralist parties to grant him those powers to outlaw the left wing. Hitler had to outlaw all opposition first before he could win a majority.
@@Afterthoughtbtw fully agree, we can already see in much of Europe the rise of extremist parties in PR elections.
@@Kingofturves I'm trying to work out if you are disagreeing with me, or agreeing. You start off saying you disagree with me, and then you go on to prove my points.
Also, the Tories? Extreme Fascists? I don't like the Tories by any means, but... I don't even know how to begin responding to such absurdity.
Cleverest most observant man on YT. I love his snippets
A Mullet in 2024!!!!! Get this interviewer to a Barber STAT!!
"The child of Partidge and Tucker"............. PERFECT! Thank you Tom!!
Having seen Pie (Tom Walker) live, all i can say is "How the hell does he remember it all, and where does he get the energy from' Without doubt the best live performer, in any genre, I have ever seen, and i have seen Dave Allen, Led Zeppelin, Dara O'Briain and Pink Floyd to name but four!!
I did think the calling of Brexit voters as thick or racist by the supposedly more intelligent remain voters to be rather ironic.
No it's not. Brexit was sold by liars to the gullible.
Love all that you do, and agree with most of what you say
...what do news reporters do between turds... A wonderful turn of phrase. "Thinking while speaking" is wonderful when somebody says the truth while speaking out loud. Comedy, satire and irony are the comic's best friend.
"For twenty years I was an out-of-work actor."
That's even longer than Ford Prefect. He was only out of work for fifteen years!
Initially, I thought the "Havng a pop at Brexit and Tory voters is 'gross'" tag was another bit of satire, but listening to the interview in full, he's 100% right. I cringe at Hilary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" line. I wouldn't say that statement alone cost her the entire 2016 election, but it definitely didn't help. You don't win an election by attacking the electorate. You have to give them a reason to support you, and attacking and alienating them means you've lost a potential voter for life.
What the Liberals don't understand is that Remain and Clinton both threw away winning positions because they completely failed to understand their opponents.
Given she won the popular vote by some way I doubt it. In any sane system she'd have won
that is an excellent 1 second clip of Peter Capaldi :P
Over half the country are centre right, tory/brexit voters. Amazes me that people talk about them like its a small fringe group of people 😂
You haven't been reading election results correctly, more than half the country voted against both Tories and Brexit and seen them turn extreme right, then break Britain with delusional policies.
Amazes me as well. I'm not attacking the Tory voters however I have a few of them around me who still think Brexit was good for the country, that the NHS is in difficulties because of immigrants and those desperate boat people and not the politicians they've elected, etc. There's no way to change their minds.
Eh…no. Brexit yes, Tories no. The Tories and Reform combined are about 34% right now, and with Johnson they got 43% of the vote.
That is completely false. The only reason that the Conservatives have been so successful historically, is that the non-Tory vote has always been split, sometimes 3 or 4 ways. The fact that Brexshit voting, GB News watching trash now have a "viable" (!?) alternative in Reform, simply balances things up a bit electorally.
Anyone who didn't vote for Hillary b/c she called them "deplorable" wasn't going to vote for her in the first place. And she was right--they are. That's how we've gotten to the cusp of Gilead.
Jonathan is great 😂
Here's some extra material for Pie , lots of labour right voted Tories in 2017 & 2019 inc Ian Watson &John Mann , both rewarded with peerages by Boris.
If Labour does get in, Starmer (much like Blair) seems to be much more right/new labour than labour of old so I think there's still going to be plenty of material (unfortunately).
A month long honeymoon is probably three weeks longer than we will get.
Starmer will hand out passports like confetti. The Tories are useless, but Labour will be worse. Grifter Lammy in the Cabinet...
Pie is excellent, been keeping me entertained since day 1👌
The week we’re a Tory bullied £5 thousand to pay of cocaine dealers 😂
@@iqunknown786 the post was in english mate ,perhaps you are unaware of what it refers to though
@@tomfinney3416He was commenting on punctuation and the misuse of it.
@@colinmorris3526definitely the latter in this case 😂
@@iqunknown786 he's right though, I understood perfectly what the op meant.
@@iqunknown786 This week we have a Tory who was bullied out of £5000 to pay off cocaine dealers. It’s not easy to understand but it is understandable if you put in a little bit of effort.
Tom's great. One of the few interviews with a contemporary celebrity where you feel like they're genuine.
Actually, this is the first time I've seen that is not his real name 😂😂😂
Spitting image,the original series,was for me the best satire ever.....no one was safe.
Is Jonathan Pie satire or a sage? Seems to me that he's right about most things, and, like me, justifiably angry.
He says it for us.
Love Jonathan Pie, but I disagree on his rebuttal of the 'they're all the same' claim...sure Sunak is a multi-millionaire, Starmer is the son of fairly ordinary parents, but they're both puppets of the same system (one a happy puppet, the other more equivocal)..as for hypocrisy, Starmer really would win first prize (those of us on the Left may hate compromise, but is it too much to ask for basic principles like honesty in a Labour leader?)
🥱 your take is such a cliche
Starter likes to claim his dad was just a toolmaker, he neglects to mention that he actually owned a tool factory. And that’s fine but don’t pretend your working class when you are clearly not.
@@BlyatimirPootin Hmm, I suppose stating the truth is regarded as something of a cliche these days :-(
@@marcchrys your opinion more like
@@zappasmoustache23Like Sunak, who sold the tearful story of the poor immigrant family. They were able to open a pharmacy at the time when people from India who used to be processors in their own country worked in a tyre factory or as a post office sorter. They didn't exactly spend their family's wealth on a one way ticket to London.
The interviewer makes me glad I had my youth in between the two times that mullets have been considered an acceptable hairstyle.
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