The USSR team played together all the time! It’s been proven dozens of times you just can’t throw together a bunch of great hockey players and expect to win every game! Those Soviet teams were some of the best to ever play, we as Canadian hockey fans always underestimated how great they really were!
Ahh, we did quite well against the Russians with " just throwing a team together". Olympics 2010 and 2014, Canada Cup, World Cups, Juniors. We will always have the best talent and usually, usually, we win.
Not the 1977 Montreal Canadiens. They never faced. Even when they tied, MTL outshot them 52-15. Then when he Flyers beat them 4-1, they outshot USSR 49-17. Not even close....
I was at that game. Tretiak was phenomenal. The Russians destroyed a Canadian squad that was playing sloppy hockey. I was heartbroken as a boy of barely 13. As an adult , I feel privileged to have seen so many legends on the ice at the same time.
ненавижу Третьяка. Макаров, Крутов да, но там зарешили всё игроки Спартак Москва. I hate Tretyak. Makarov, Krutov, yes, but all the Spartak Moscow players were killed there.
@@ИгорьЕвсеев-д6т Местечковый сраптаковский патриотизм это так круто..... (нет). Только потому, что у СССР не было нормального вратаря вроде Третьяка они не выиграли больше ни одного кубка канады.
@@AndreaVasquez-jb1ghТе которые зал славы отбирают. Они вообще кто такие? Они вообще достойны оценивать то кто чего достоин? Ну наотбирали некоторые недостойные люди неких игроков в свой зал славы и чего?
@ it’s just just my comparison of the North American “dump & chase style” versus the “puck possession” style. It is cool to think of 2 universes colliding. We North Americans knew very little about the soviets back then. I guess the “cool part” is looking at it from an anthropological/historical perspective.
I'll give them that. The Soviet Style was oft times esthetically pleasing... But again, not many if any of you young whipper snappers realize that that 'Soviet style' was really invented by Lloyd Percival, a Canuck, and author of, 'The Hockey Handbook' xxx EDIT and Side Note to 'Neutralevil 1917... TH-cam Thought Police won't let me respond to your, arguably, anti-Western, Hockey-Wokesism, propaganda, so let's see if I can't respond this way... First off, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one. .. Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Actually no, that's the myth and I'm quoting "serving to privilege a Canadian ice hockey system while relegating other ‘narratives’ and ice hockey systems to that of mere receivers". I'm a gen X'er and I remember good ol' Soviets. No one played the Soviet style before the Soviets cause the Soviets themselves invented their own style. Tobias Stark and Hart Cantelon made it pretty clear in their 2019 paper
First off, this HOCKEY WOKEism CRAP smacks of Neo-Marxist and anti-Western propaganda, in keeping with the Neo-Marxist and dare I say racist, some have even alleged, 'thieving' ideologues at the helm of the BLM (Bigots Love Marxism) Movement. (Side Note: Where did the missing millions in BLM contributions go? 'Inquiring minds want to know!') Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. My young whippersnapper: If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one... Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
@@neutralevil1917 First off, your HOCKEY WOKEism smacks of anti-Western, Neo-Marxist progaganda ...Alas, I need to stop right there since my initial post was sent down the proverbial 'Memory Hole' by YouTUBE THOUGHT POLICE Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one... Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
even Terry Fox has been morphed into a shameful athletic icon to some, instead of the fighter for cancer research that he was. How do these people get offended by Terry Fox's purpose?
in all the very First final matches, at the main World Hockey tournaments, the Youth World Hockey Championship. Olympic Hockey Games. Main World Hockey Championship. Canada Cup. where the Canadian national team met with Russian Hockey Players in the final matches. Russian Hockey Players won all these final matches. Youth World Championships held in Canada in 1999 and 2003. Albertville Olympics 1992. The Main World Championship took place in Canada in 2008. 1981 Canada Cup. at all these tournaments, the Victory of Russian Hockey Players in the final matches.
@@XanderDDS. The History of meetings between the Canadian team and Russian Hockey Players at the Olympic Games. match scores: 1956. Canada - USSR. 0 - 2. 1960. Canada - USSR. 8 - 5. 1964. Canada - USSR. 2 - 3. 1968. Canada - USSR. 0 - 5. 1980. Canada - USSR. 4 - 6. 1984. Canada - USSR. 0 - 4. 1988. Canada - USSR. 0 - 5. 1992. Canada - RUS. 4 - 5. final 1 - 3. 2006. Canada - RUS. playoffs 0 - 2. 2010. Canada - RUS. 7 - 3. for all the meetings at the Olympic Games, the Canadian national team with Russian Hockey Players, the Russian Hockey Players never lost to the Canadian national team with a clean score. and Canada lost to the Russian Hockey Players (5) five times.
I remember the first time I saw the Russians playing Canada in the early 1980s and my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe how talented they were. Skating and especially their passing totally outmatched Canada
There is no and never was any talent there. Russians were and are in prison. They were ordered to win at hockey, they trained 24/7 without breaks. That's exactly how 20 girls play football in China today - the national football team, no more is needed.
Great interview with Scotty Bowman after the game where he said something to the effect that "Trottier is a force in our league but he can’t keep up with this Soviet team"… very honest appraisal of where the two programs were.
Loving these short documentary style videos, I especially like that you cover semi-forgotten hockey history. Makes for fun conversations with my Dad. Keep up the good work.
@@GuyCybershy it was cool being at the Bell Centre one night for a game and Tretiak was in the house. He received a heartfelt round of applause. He seems to be well respected.
@thecastleofenlightenment2604 Eventually we channeled ours and made sure they can no longer defeat us in a best on best whether it's men or women. The good guys always win even if it doesn't look as precise but at least it was accomplished with heart.
I remember that game. Canadian hockey would never quite be the same after that... for the better. While Canada produced the greatest hockey superstars in the world, the Larionov five was the greatest line I've ever witnessed in all of hockey. Individualism vs. collectivism playing a "team" game?... it's a no-brainer, really!! Alan Eagleson-of-a-bi***!!!
individualism vs collectivism has all sorts of dire totalitarian impiications particularly in an era of rapidly eroding human rights.. That matter aside, playing a 'team game' is pretty much a 'No brainer' if, IF you live and train together, in militaristic and Spartan fashion, 11 months a year, a la CCCP... and don't have to deal with an 80 game schedule, replete with a hectic, cross continent travel schedule, and precious little between games practice time, UNLIKE your NHL counterparts
@@alsukharsky I didn't see it that way but I did notice that 3 Months later at the Izvestia tournament the Soviet team with its maga stars lost to Canada on home ice with Euro reffs .Canada won the tournament with none of it's maga stars so that answered all the questions of home ice and referees .
The Red Army team was the best hockey team I've EVER seen... Period, End of Story. Soviets invented puck possession, the NHL will never admit that. Mike Liut was the best goalie Canada had to offer? Canada bitched and moaned for decades about not being able to field an NHL All Star Team against the USSR, while the United States TWICE won gold against them in 1960 and 1980. Just when I think that Allan Eagleson couldn't be more of an asshole, he totally redeems himself, lol!
Huh? Canada has won 9 of the 13 best on best tournaments, they beat Russia in 1972 and in 1976 Russia wasn't even good enough to reach the finals which Canada also won. Not sure what you're talking about saying Canada ws whining, you must have an overactive imagination.
87 team Canada beat your red army squad with the best EVER assembled team put together with only a few weeks to prepare and How long had red army been playing together ?? not to mention they play 11 months out of the year back then as 1 permanent roster. I agree Red army was an incredible team and played an oustanding style KLM Fed and Konst line probably the most effective. Difference here was Gretz and Mario Messier and the smaller rink and the never say die heart Canada seems to always have even down to when the the Jr's play at xmas time
If you think about the best Canadian goalies of the 1970's and 1980's Mike Liut's name probably wouldn't come up. Ken Dryden had retired. We were a few years away from Patrick Roy and Grant Fuhr. Either one of them would have made a difference.
I remember the canadian journalist who was obliged to eat his hat if the soviets won a game in 72. He did it but it was stupid.Some people were treated "traitors " if they thought Soviets could won a game...The only journalist who predict exactly the 4-3-1 was Michel Blanchard of The La presse journal...
yes...but this type of nonsense has to always be repeated despite being debunked. We see this same nonsense these days regarding China. It only serves to highlight the hilarious reality that the West thinks it is not propagandized as opposed to everywhere else.
How dare you denigrate an 'Order of Canada' recipient (wink, wink)
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I remember watching this on an ancient, 14" TV, and rabbit ears. Very snowy. So many HHoFers! Tretiak was one of my boyhood hockey heroes. I was thrilled when he was drafted by Les Canadiens... P.S., Dryden was my number-one hockey hero, at the time. Thank you for posting this, mate.
USSR players spent a lot of time together. If you look at the lineup in this game, the first five were entirely CSKA, the second three were attacking from Spartak, all three pairs of defenders were also from the same clubs. They played during the season (although the Soviet season was short, 40-44 matches), there were a lot of national team games (world championship, numerous tournaments, long training camps). They were just very well-acted. But this did not stop the Miracle on Ice from happening in 1980.
@@classic.cameras Although I believe that the 1981 Soviet National Team was the best hockey team in the world, I always had this gut feeling that the the New York Islanders had the chemistry and toughness to defeat the Soviets fairly consistently.
The Russian style of game would become the Oilers style very quickly and now every single team in the NHL plays the Russian style of hockey. They refined and defined the game.
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video is the reason behind making the 1981 Canada Cup final a one game winner take all instead of best two out of three, which all the other Canada Cups had as the format for the final. There was an international series called the 1979 Challenge Cup held at Madison Square Garden in February between the NHL all-stars (who were made up almost entirely of Canadian players plus three Swedish players) and the Soviet national team. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada won the first game 4-2. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada were leading 4-2 about halfway through game 2 when the Soviet team flipped a switch scoring three goals to win 5-4. In game 3, the Soviet team completely embarrassed the NHL all-stars/Team Canada 6-0. Because of this result, it was felt that Canada would be unable to beat the Soviets twice in a best of three playoff, so they decided on the one game final in 1981. After the debacle of the 8-1 loss, it was back to the original best of three format. I even remember there being a political cartoon showing Alan Eagleson yelling at the Soviet airplane as it was leaving Canada saying, "Hey, it was best two out of three!"
Without bothering to check I think Yakushev sp? was likely CCCP's leading scorer... although I agree Kharlamov was their MOST TALENTED forward/best skater...
@@strannick2212 That reminds me of the play in game 5 when Paul Henderson was chopped down by Alexander Maltsev causing him to hit the boards head first giving him a concussion .
@basilcarroll9729 Clarke was surely instructed to maim the Russian in game 1 cause Canada knew they had to cheat to be competitive. That series would have also been a blowout if Canada hadn't resorted to their ugly tactics. The Russian whose ankle Clarke broke was out for the series Henderson meanwhile of course was fine
@@strannick2212 Canada spent most of Game 8 shorthanded cause CCCP had ref Joseph Kompalla on their team, a decision sprung on Team Canada at the 11th hour... The Soviet captain (Boris M) REPEATEDLY kicked one of our guys (Was it Gary Bergman?) in the shins... if memory serves that happened in Game 7... Using your skate as a weapon... Really Boris? Some Homer Russian goal judge didn't put the red light on after Canada scored the tying goal in the 3rd... KGB had a meltdown cause some Canuck in the crowd had the gall to blow a trumpet... TC had their beer stolen... They were being woken up in their hotel rooms, at all hours of the night, by mysterious phone calls...Perhaps KGB were conducting a poll in broken English? ;) The list of Soviet dirty tricks goes on and on... Even so, Canada , who began the series out of shape and over confident, WON the last 3 games on Moscow Ice... Yet you claim Canada needed to cheat to win... NONSENSE... xxx Canadians, a la their Soviet counterparts, were NO CHOIR Boyz... Both sides hated one another... This may sound awful to modern sensibilities... But consider the times... During WW2 Canada , a nation of 10million , had 1 million men at arms... All of our players had relatives who experienced combat.. Rightly, or wrongly, TC viewed these games almost as an extension of WW2, Korea, Vietnam... .. This transcended hockey... It really was a clash of Worldviews/Coldwar on Ice! '... That your response seems so one sided tells me you are not old enough to have experienced the Summit Series firsthand... xxx But to respond to one of your original points... Yes, Bobby Clarke WAS instructed by assistant coach John Ferguson to give Kharlamov's ankle a tap... Fergie later admitted this... although Clarke kept mum... only giving his 'name, rank and series number', he said waxing metaphorically xxx Alas, all our heroes, be they hockey heroes or war heroes, had feet of clay... Errors in judgement/Atrocities were committed by both sides ... In terms of our spiritual development, we humans are still a work in progress. Shyte happens under duress, in fits of anger/moments of unbridled pride and prejudice... ... It was what it was... what it is... what it shall be... until what we call 'HIS-STORY' comes full circle sometime in the not too distant ANNO DOMINI... PEACE OUT
I remember this tournament well... Canadian hockey hadn't yet adjusted to the European system yet, despite the close call in '72. Liut was more proof that the big goalie struggled against the Russians (shades of Dryden in '72). And God love him, Guy was already past his prime at that point.
I have no doubt that the Soviet Team in the 1981 Canada Cup was the superior team. It was the best team in the world at the time. HOWEVER, a culmination of some events contributed to this disaster. 1. Bob Bourne didn't play due to contract disputes with the New York Islanders. 2. Bill Barber was injured 3. Mike Liut had a horrible game 4. Team Canada got robbed by Vladislav Tretiak. 5. Canada did not ice the best team that they could It should be noted that the following all-star game featured very few members from the "Dream Team" that suffered the 8-1 humiliation. This loss wasn't about Canadian hockey not adjusting to the European system. Although the Soviets were better, this game was not indicative of that fact - Canada could have won that game, but the goaltending was lopsided. Even if Canada had assembled the best team that they could, it would not be as good as this Soviet juggernaut. But a stronger Canadian team with Don Edwards in net might have won that night, but it wouldn't mean that Canada was better at that time.
@@PolytroutCanada had a decent tournament, they were undefeated the round robin and had a +19 in goals while the Soviets were +7.Canada also defeated the Soviets 7-3. The Czechs also had a strong team as they tied both Canada and the USSR .
@@PolytroutBilly Smith made the team but was injured too. He was one of the best big game players in his prime. He loved the spotlight and getting in the heads of his opponents. I could see him giving the Soviets fits if he played.
@mikemyros4142 Billy Smith would have played better than Mike Liut did that night. Who knows what would have happened had Billy Smith or Don Edwards was in net? I doubt that it would have been such a blowout. But as I said earlier, there were injuries and contract disputes affecting the roster; Canada didn't ice their best possible team. Guy Lafleur's lifestyle was catching up with him as well. Gilbert Perreault, though older than Lafleur, took better care of himself but was injured. Months before the tournament, I predicted a blowout like 6 or 7-2. But as an ignorant teenager, my reason was, "without Bob Bourne and Mike McEwen Team Canada would face an impending doom". I gloated but was po'ed that Mike McEwen wasn't even invited to the Team Canada training camp and that Bob Bourne couldn't risk it. Don Cherry would have murdered me for the Mike McEwen part of that comment...
This is the earliest hockey memory of mine that I can date. I was born in 1977. I remember standing in den, probably playing with a set of blocks, and seeing the Russians celebrating. "Did the Russians win?" I asked my Dad. "The Russians won this time," he said.
Thank god for the Soviets - they changed the game of hockey for the better. PS With respect, there was no “dark and sinister aspect” to the Soviet national anthem. It was widely regarded as among the most beautiful pieces of music ever created for a national anthem.
Tretiak man. Every time I can catch any old footage, the guy is always a problem for whoever is playing the USSR. Dude likely the best in the world at the time.
@ I’m aware he had his moments. What athlete doesn’t ? Even the great ones get humbled every once in a while. It’s inevitable. The point of my comment stands
Best for sure. Just approach to belittle his talent by saying he was doing his best bc of fear of Gulag - is pretty low... Those guys were real patriots no matter what shitty commy government was running the country.
Bobby Clark , in my opinion, said it best when he said, in reference to Tretiak’s play in the 72 series, he was good goalie playing way over his head. I think Tretiak had a phenomenal couple of series against us , and let’s not forget the “ Greatest Game ever Played “ against the Montreal Canadiens on New Year’s Eve in I believe 1975. Please feel free to correct me if the date is wrong. But also don’t forget he couldn’t protect the Soviet’s leads in the three games in Moscow in 1972 against a Canadian team finally getting into shape. I think it would have been interesting to see the 72 or 81 teams play a full NHL season in either of those decades while only being allowed to play together as a team for training camp. No one will convince me that the Soviets and Tretiak wouldn’t take some 6-5 or maybe 8-7 heart breaking losses against some way weaker team that was having the game of their lives. The superior Soviet method of conditioning is just that, superior, so I was surprised when we got into shape in the middle of an 8 game series and managed the comeback we did. The Russians have produced some amazing players ;Ovechkin for example. This man is the greatest goal scorer ever and also my favourite player so please don’t call me out as anti- Russian. In short the best players don’t always make the best team and the best teams aren’t always a collection of all stars. I would also like to point out that given the new ( Russian ) training system, and having the series played when both teams are well into their schedules , we almost always win.
@@billmitchell6575 during the 76 Canada Cup CBC filmed a series, "Showdown in the NHL", a penalty shot competition. Tretriak was the winner no one could score on him.
Gretzky hat wohl viel von den Russen gelernt, er spielte als einzigster später in der NHL modernes Eishockey. Es dauerte noch fast 20 Jahre, bis in der NHL ein Stilwechsel einsetzte. Wäre der eiserne Vorhang geblieben, hätte es die NHL noch heute schwer gegen Russen und Tschechen zu gewinnen.
Gretzky era um jogador unilateral. Ele esperava que os pontas o encontrassem livre e então passassem o disco para ele. Ele era um artilheiro incrível, mas esse era seu único jogo. Em um jogo de prorrogação, Gretzky é o último jogador que um técnico gostaria de ter no gelo! Ele não conseguia se proteger contra os piores jogadores no gelo. Até Ovechkin era um jogador melhor em todos os aspectos do que Wayne, o que é terrível, porque Ovi também é unidimensional... mas pelo menos, controlado.
Exactly. Canada was the best team all tournament, they destroyed USSR in their other game, and Gretzky led in scoring. Tretiak was hot, and Luit was terrible.
I was there. The third period killed the crowd which, as mentioned, started leaving before the game was over. Then we heard a door being closed with a loud noise to which someone said it must be Alan Eagleson leaving the Forum!
Canada's goaltending was poor. Also, the tournament organizers made a big mistake in making it a one game final instead of a series. Remember Canada lost the first game in 87.
I remember this tournament well, was 15. I was livid we lost to the Soviets lol. You look back on it now, yep, we sucked! For me, the Canada Cup 87 was exciting as hell. I remember being in college and one of my classmates asked me who's scoring the winner tonight? I immediately responded Lemieux....little did I know I would be correct in that prediction lol. We don't have that kind of buildup and excitement anymore - those were the best days of hockey in the 80'sm all the Canada vs Soviets meetings were off the charts with excitement!
Yes, since the old Soviet Union dissolved, there's no bitterness, bile, and hate as there was back then. Geez, I feel like my grandfather talking about the "good old days" now.
Very informative. I remembered the stink over the Soviets trying to take the Cup home, but was unaware of the part about the replica being given to them. Thank you.
Canada needed Bobby Orr. One book mentioned that during the previous Canada Cup, everyone was scared..until Bobby Orr showed up in the dressing room. They said it was like a parent had shown up to organize the kids and they knew things were going to be alright.
Sadly, the Canadian system never learned from these losses. The Soviet style of puck possession is a superior brand of hockey, but Canada opted to shove the dump-and-chase, park fwds in front of the net, skill-less, brute style of hockey. It was Don Cherry hockey, made simple for players with little-to-no skill. The skilled players are then saddled with trying to go end-to-end to try to make something happen. It's an easy system to shut down. This style persists to this day, making hockey a mostly dull game to watch. I'd kill to see positional puck movement in a set break-out, and chances made breaking across the opposing blue line, instead of the predictability of another dump, chase, throw the body, hope for something sloppy hockey. US College hockey is a better version of the game, so maybe the Americans will be the change the game needs moving fwd. Thanks for the video. Subbed.
The so-called 'Russian Style' was the invention of Canadian Lloyd Percival author of 'The Hockey Handbook' a book Anatoly Tarasov dubbed the father of Russian hockey called, HIS BIBLE... Tarasov had Percival's book translated into Russian and 500 copies printed up, just for starters...The REST IS HOCKEY HISTORY... a little known, though not totally forgotten history... XXX Incidentally, my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley, was invited behind the Iron Curtain to serve as a guest coach for the Soviet Nats circa the early fifties. Schooley, another Lloyd Percival disciple, was summarily shown the door, by the Soviets, after they won their first World Championship in 1954 without so much as a 'Thank-you'... All this was documented by Glenn Nott, in a Special to the Hamilton Spectator, a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe', a copy of which can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library under the name Harold Schooley; there's only one such article gathering dust in a small drawer in said library.... Schooley was in the 1953 Guiness book for the most goals ever scored in a pro hockey game EIGHT, suiting up for the Fife Flyers (EDIT: Or was it the Paisley Pirates, one or t'other was the competing team) of the British Elite League, or whatever it was called back then... People forget that UK hockey was high quality in the WW2 and Post War era, with so many transplanted Canadian Servicemen. Indeed UK actually won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936... Sure I'm biased, but Harold Schooley's overseas hockey exploits make for an interesting read, plus they deserve to be properly documented BEFORE they are lost forever to posterity PEACE OUT xxx EDIT: Seems the Powers that Be won't let me post anymore in this thread... Since we're never supposed to speak Truth to Power, 'Truth', to borrow from Pamela Geller, 'is the New Hate Speech' Let's see if we can't circumvent TH-cam Thought Police, reminiscent of the officiating of Joseph Kompalla, ici xxx BLS... @HOCKEYFILES-sf8gv ... I never said the ENTIRE Soviet style comes from Canada', just that much of it originated in Canada and was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... READ 'The Hockey Handbook', the book Tarasov called his 'Bible', the book Tarasov had translated into Russian and 500 copies printed up, YOURSELF... THEN GET BACK TO ME... XXX Tarasov thought enough of Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', to travel all the way to Canada to see Percival when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing personal, hand-written note of thanks on the inside cover of one of Percival's book (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'), likewise acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, dubbed 'The Father of Soviet Hockey) and Soviet hockey owed Lloyd Percival... Again READ The Hockey Handbook for yourself... The proof is there, in black and white, that many, arguably most, of the so-called innovations attributed to Tarasov, actually original with, and were preached years earlier by Percival xxx PS: In this very thread, a clearly knowledge-able poster calling himself 'Vesterwax', a man who claimed to have dined with coach Herb Brooks, likewise opined (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the 'Soviet' puck possession style really originiated, years earlier, in Canada...But that he didn't know said system originated with Percival... No offense, but for those in the know above a certain age, this stuff is OLD NEWS... In fact it was being written and spoken about, in mainstream Canadian newspapers and media, back in the days of the 1972 Summit Series... a series truly unparalleled, in terms of its historical impact... a series some have taken to calling, 'Cold War on Ice!' PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Great info! I was aware the style originated in Canada, but was not aware of Percival. It's a shame muckers with low hockey IQs infiltrated the system and shaped the way the game grew to be played here. I try to imagine how dominant Canada would actually be IF they played the old-time hockey of 'skate, pass, shoot, score!'
As a Canadian I always felt Canada should have lost the 1972 series against the Soviets. We prefer pushing for individual talent whereas the Soviets/Russians never forget that hockey is a team sport.
With all due respect Kemosabey, you're NOT quite right... Not only what some construe as the classic NHL/Canuck Hockey Style... But also what others consider the classic CCCP style, which seems to insist on maintaining puck possession, come hell or high water, even when crossing the opponents blue line, can and has been countered quite effectively, even by comparative minnows... Case in point... Lowly Belarus did it to the Swedish Torpedo System which, like CCCP, shunned the dump and chase game back in the day, simply by standing incoming forwards up at the blue line ... And, of course, the Clarke and Shero led Broad Street Bullies made mincemeat out of Red Army, not only by roughing them up, BUT by presenting the Canadian version of the Berlin Wall, in the neutral zone, then going on fast-paced counterattacks ... THE BEST SYSTEM, Barr None, is a Hybrid classic Canadian and European/CCCP Style which Herb Brook's character, based closely on real life, replete with real hockey players in lieu of professional actors, made clear in the Movie Miracle ... Had the Swedes, for example, added a little dump and chase to their repetoire, stead of being so inflexible, NO WAY they lose to Belarus at Salt Lake City... NEWSFLASH: Soviet/Russian Hockey, moreso than any other hockey nation, has been slow to adapt... With all Russia's offensive talent, that's THE BIGGEST Reason they haven't won a true, best on best competition, since 1981... PEACE OUT
The Soviets had excellent discipline and conditioning-stamina. Very rigid training and practice/drills. The Canadians had more individual talent, 'farm boys playing shinny on a frozen pond', mixing it up, playing with more emotion. You can respect both. It was great hockey.
There wasn't the emphasis on conditioning in the NHL at that time as there is today. The Soviets had a state supported, highly structured training program all year long.
Now the NHL is organizing a 4 nation tournament set for February 2025. It only features U.S.A., Canada, Sweden and Finland. Russia is banned because of the invasion of Ukraine, but why is the Czechia team left out? In addition, some of the NHL's greatest players like Pasternak (Czechia), Kucherov, Ovechkin, Vasilevskiy, Bobrovsky, Shestyorkin, Panarin (Russia), Draisaitl (Germany) cannot play in this tournament. They are not even going to have a Team Europe. Absolutely, insane and an insult to the previous Canada Cup tournaments.
The problem here was that the Soviets were a team that played together all year around. The Canadian team was not a team but an all star roster who didn't play together, except for this tournament. Canada was still the best hockey nation on Earth and developed (by far) the most players and the most elite level players. It was a deceiving score as the game was over half way through the third period and the Russians (as they were known to do) ran up the score to pad their stats. It's too bad that the NHL didn't cooperate to a higher degree so that the teams could have had more time to play together. It would have been a fascinating thing to watch Canada's best TEAM against that Red Army squad.
Great topic! Vaguely remember, but Wayne’s book reminded me of it. In 1980 I was 12 and lived in NY and witnessed the Challenge Cup wipeout And was 30 minutes away from Lake Placid during the game and we found out the US won (it was Not aired live) and outside the area no one knew who won! It was still exciting as we thought it was a fake rumor. No way in hell that would/could happen today!
😆He probably smashed some objects in his house following the result. He hated the Russians with a passion, and even hated Ovechkin when he brought some emotion to the game by celebrating his incredible goals. Salty Don got what he deserved when they fired him. He was acting more unpredictable and couldn't even string sentences together without Ron having to bail him out.
This was in late summer and the Canadiens didn’t get into shape like the Soviet players. Being an athlete I would have trained all summer, but after NHL season, they needed a break!
"Our coaches didn't allow us to shoot the puck into their zone. We were instructed to cross the blue line only by passing. The Canadians would dump the puck into our zone and chase after it. I don't know why our coaches thought this was a bad play. They scored a lot of goals this way." Gennady Tsygankov
Remember a story from Nick Lidström when Larionov came to the red wings. Larionov said, if you dump the puck, you go and get it. Russians don't chase the puck.
And yet, that was was not only the most successful kind of hockey, it was the most entertaining. Hockey now despite having bigger and faster players is boring and bland. And btw, that "dump and chase" hockey had Canada as the best team in this tournament and they destroyed USSR in their other meeting. The only difference here was goaltending. Tretiak was hot, and Luit was terrible.
Quite right... Gilbert Perreault (what a great player, I recall watching him as a kid, playing for the Montreal Jr Canadiens) was hurt and unavailable for the final
@@claudebuysse7482 One of the best I ever saw. Shero murdered them tactically. The Soviets never changed their style, Shero studied and countered it (lined his players at the red line) and the Soviets had no answers. The Flyers had talent, even their goons were decent talent. Same thing in 72, they didn't adapt to the game and when we finally got in shape enough to compete we beat them. There is an error in the movie Miracle where at the end they have Herb Brooks saying that the Soviets don't know what to do because they didn't pull their goalie. They almost never pulled their goalie they didn't believe in it as a strategy and I think that might have been justifiable thinking. What are the stats of an empty net goal vs an extra attacker goal. Plus usually the behind team has momentum and often controls the play while the ahead team is defending and playing fearful. I think that is a reasonable tactic (to not pull the goalie)
@@jethro1963 Thanks for your answer . I have a different view on that game. I saw it and i was disgusted by the goons of the Flyers. They wanted to injured every soviet player from the beginning. I never like that kind of playing the game. For the Shero system it was Bernie Parent. What's happened to Schultz , Salesky , Taylor and Dupont when they left the Flyers? Very short careers and only Dupont had continued. Yes the Flyers had very good players like Clarke , Barber , Leach, Kindrachuk and Watson but without Parent and their dirty style, they could never won the Stanley cup. And i can assure you that kind of playing hockey contaminated all the structure of hockey in North america for the worst. The victory of the Habs against them was a blessing for the hockey. Frankly , that kind of hockey was a way to conquer the USA public and it worked very well... But you can have your opinion and i respect you. Sorry for my english not perfect.
Every dog has its day. When you calculate games that were absolute best of best - Canada has dominated USSR/Russia/The artist formerly known as USSR, etc.
Absolutely. The only best-on-best (country vs. country) tournament the Russians/Soviets ever won was the 1981 Canada Cup. Meanwhile, Canada won the 1972 Summit Series, the 1976 Canada Cup, the 1984 Canada Cup, the 1987 Canada Cup, the 1991 Canada Cup, the 2002 Olympics, the 2004 World Cup of Hockey, the 2010 Olympics, the 2014 Olympics, and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.
I was going to post this, when it's best on best the Soviets/Russians haven't fared well. I remember thinking (after smoking the Russians in the Vancouver Olympics) that the Russians would be loaded for bear when they get us back in Sochi. But it wasn't to be.
@@feponcio. Youth World Championships held in Canada in 1999 and 2003. Albertville Olympics 1992. The Main World Championship took place in Canada in 2008. 1981 Canada Cup. at all these tournaments, the Victory of Russian Hockey Players in the final matches.
@@jethro1963. in all the very First final matches, at the main World Hockey tournaments, the Youth World Hockey Championship. Olympic Hockey Games. Main World Hockey Championship. Canada Cup. where the Canadian national team met with Russian Hockey Players in the final matches. Russian hockey players won all these final matches.
@@ВикторМорев-в2ы As I said best on best. The Soviets were playing players who were not in the NHL/AHL.IHL/WHL etc. They weren't playing any of our top 500 players. One example is the World Championships where Canada could never have its best players and then later couldn't have players from the teams still in the NHL playoffs. When more Soviets could play in the NHL and the WC became a level playing field, the Canadians won a lot more and the Soviets a lot less.
When i hear those names... man i have goosebumps. Both sides they where great players if not all time then of generation. Hockey now is faster, smarter and if i can say that more attractive for a regular viewer, but i miss old hockey, even though i was born in 2000s lmao, ty for this video
One thing not mentioned in the video, but which definitely affected the Soviets playing in this tournament: a legendary Soviet player, and a good friend of many, if not all, of these players, Valeri Kharlamov, lost his life in a traffic accident roughly two weeks before the start of the tournament. If I remember correctly, Kharlamov died on the same day the Soviet team left for Canada, after being told by Tikhonov in front of the rest of the team, *at the bus station in Moscow, from where the team left for the airport* "you're not coming with us". This was seen as kind of a power move by Tikhonov, who had been "purging the old guard" from the "Big Red Machine" after their loss at the 1980 Olympics, forcing for example Kharlamov's long tenured linemates Petrov and Mikhailov out of the team. For some reason the Soviets flew over their own territories while traveling to Canada, meaning that they spent over a day in isolation inside the airplane, not getting the news of Kharlamov's passing. The players remember wondering, why the Canadians were welcoming them with flowers and condolences. Soviet team needed to get inside their hotel, before they could watch the news, finally finding out that Kharlamov had died. Also, if I remember correctly, the Canadians, showing a surprisingly great sportsmanship, offered the Soviets a chance to postpone the start of the Canada Cup, so that they could travel back to Moscow for Kharlamov's funeral, which (per Orthodox tradition) was supposed to be held in a few days time. Once again, Tikhonov pulled a power move, and without consulting the team, said that they are not going anywhere, and so the team for which Kharlamov gave so much of himself, was absent from his funeral. This, in turn, angered the Soviet team, which basically decided that the best way they could honor the memory of Kharlamov was to win the tournament, and the rest is history.
shout out to Portage and Main at 10:00 for the trophy ceremony and what looks like Ben Hatskin Jets 1.0 original owner in the background. allen eagleson was such a tool.
what some of the younger viewers might not realize is that back then seeing ads on the boards only occurred in international tournaments like this, and thus seemed unusual to someone used to watching nhl hockey.
Yes and No... I watched both tourneys, either in person (I'm from the Hammer), or on TV... FYI, I'm a grandather of 2 and a great-grandpa of 2... While the 72 Summit Series was the most historically important hockey tourney, by far... Team Canada 72 was missing Orr due to injury, plus its WHA guys led by Bobby Hull (who Eagleson and the NHL brass wouldn't let participate)... Good as it was, great as its exploits were, Team Canada 72 wasn't our True A-Team... Compare that 72 roster with Team Canada 76 (Arguably, Team Canada's best ever team, ON PAPER), and it's not even close..and we could say much the same comparing 72, roster wise, to our 1987 Canada Cup Team, our 2014 Canadian Olympic Team, etcetera... Back in 72, TC's brain-trust, or lack thereof, were novices when it came to picking national teams (Less we forget, our out of shape NHLers, hockey pundits etcetera, were likewise totally confident of winning by lopsided scores going in)... Moreover, our top NHLers hadn't yet learned to set their egos aside for the good of the team... It was only with their backs to the wall, and after narrowly avoiding defeat, that Hockey Canada and company learned these crucial lessons...
@berryscott3590 In not talking about who and who was not on that Team Canada team as that is totally irrelevant to the games that were played, I'm talking about the actual games themselves and how the series played out. It was so close that during the intermission, after the second period, the Russians said they would claim victory if the score stayed tied at the end of the third period. They claimed as the records would be tied, they would win because they scored the most goals. That's how close it was and the drama the series had created. I remember watching that 3rd period full of dead that We were going to lose. When Herderson scored that winning goal, drinks and chips and anything else being consumed by everyone in our house went flying across the room as everyone threw their arms up in celebration. The feeling that the free world was safe again from communism.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Yeah I was in grade 9 in 72 ... I experienced that SUMMIT SERIES, those 27 days in September too... Recall that I called it the most historically significant hockey series, by far... xxx As for SAVING THE WORLD FROM COMMUNISM? Sure, we thought like that as naive kids.. Still, according to whistleblowers like Antony Sutton. Paul Warburg (likely working at the behest of the Rothschilds and Mirano Rockefellers) provided a fellow member of the NYC Babylonian Talmudic community , one Leon Trotsky, with 20 million in Gold bullion and safe ship's passage to St Petersburgh, to help bring about the fall of the Romanov dynasty in the days leading up to that 1917 so-called 'Russian' Revolution... Word is, Trotsky's passport was signed by none other than Woodrow Wilson who also signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act into effect... In other words, the same Occult (don;t say Judeo Masonic) Hierarchy, the same 'Hidden Hand' (whose Masonic Star of Moloch graces the US Seal, and the back of the US dollar Bill), who controls the US economy, US fiat currency & Central Banking, also helped finance & foment the so-called 'Russian Revolution'', as everyone from Winston Churchill to Henry Ford, & Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn have tacitly attested... That you didn't appreciated any of this as a kid, during the height of the Cold War, and likely still don't... suggests to me that the True, Historical Significance of a good many things have mostly flown beneath your radar... PEACE OUT
I'm always amazed at how demented Canadian hockey fans are (tho calling them hockey fans is a stretch, I never thought they loved the game, just their own country playing it). Always thinking they deserve to win and if they lose there has to be some excuse, never a congratulations to the better team. That's why Canadians get so violent when they're losing (Canadians are known as goons for a reason), and why they are willing to rig tournaments in their favor (just look at the 2002 Olympics, when Canadian and American refs steered and rigged the tourney for a USA-CAN final, there were even Canadian refs in key Team Canada games! a total scandal). Nevermind the 2004 World Cup of Hockey when the Canadians just couldn't stand losing to the better Czechs and so had their Canadian refs rig the semifinal. I recall after the Czechs won the 98 Olympics they were stunned that non-NHL players could win, funnily enough most of the team joined the NHL and became stars and superstars. Guess the world doesn't revolve around Canada.. I generally like Canadians, typically kind people, but Canadian hockey is gross, altho I've seen violence in Canadian soccer too so maybe it's their sporting culture in general...
@@martinvlcek5332 I'm truly amazed at how demented of a hockey fan you are... (Sorry, I guess you represent and speak on behalf of ALL Czech hockey fans... Right?!... And boy, do you make them look ridiculously horrible here...) The irony in trying to say "never a congratulations to the better team" - while you have a conspiracy excuse listed for each and every time Canada did better then the Czechs 🤣🤣🤦 - Boy it must be crazy living in the alternate reality where your exempt from seeing all your own hypocrisy... Where you don't experience shame from being THIS much of a hack, & just making up stuff as you go along half the time, while the other half, you have an ENTIRE NARRATIVE remembered off the top of your head, about how bad CANADA is, as a whole 🤣🤦 about how violent and awful they ALL are...(At least each and every Canadian hockey fan is anyway) ... Simply because you're butthurt they didn't yank you off enough for the few times the Czechs did better... That, and you don't like that some people DARE to analyze what Canada could've done better to NOT lose the game... Which is basic sports 101... You just clearly simply don't like that somebody is DARING to make content saying they don't think that there's NOTHING better they could have done, and there's no way Canada could have won the game, because "the Czechs were just ALWAYS going to win, because they're just THAT much better... Or something... Even though it's a game that went to a shootout... But Canada is just lucky that it even went to a shootout...or something... And it doesn't mean that MAYBE YOU overestimate how good the Czechs were, if you believe they were so much better, Canada shouldn't have even made it to a shootout in the first place... Maybe ironically it's YOU failing to give Canada THEIR due props LITERALLY EACH AND EVERY TIME they out perform what YOU think THEY should be capable of... ...Because you're simply a hypocritical hack who's working backwards from pre determined conclusion, and you know you are deep down... You know you are a hack who's making crap up to fit the narrative you wanted to make up as well... Literally everything you typed out here is straight comedy-fiction. I was born in America, lived in Canada since I was four, and Hasak is my favorite goalie of all time... and I VERY easily give him props and congratulations for beating Canada... And I'm a proud dual US- Canadian hockey fan... So is it just the American in me that's giving a congratulations?! How do I fit in with your warped, ridiculously gooberish worldview?! Am I an exception to the rule?! How can I live in Canada, be a Canadian citizen, and still give the Czechs their props?!? According to you it's basically impossible?! I should be demented right?! So according to your own logical fallacy, I guess I'm demented in believing that the Czechs deserve props for their win?!? Right?!? 😜 My god if you don't see why its ridiculous to talk the way OP talks here about entire populations millions of people large, like they all have one hive mind... You never will... (But of course where he comes from, he's a "brave independent thinker"... or something... And HIS country doesn't experience hive mind syndrome... Or something...)
I remember that tournament. I don’t know why they had Gretzky and Lafleur on the same line. There was a lack of chemistry as they both wanted and kept the puck from each other.
They basically lived together 24/7. There's great sport documentary I recommend called Red Army, if you're interested how Soviet Union ran their hockey system.
Krutov was the actual 76 Canada Cup MVP. It was given to Orr but Krutov had as many points while playing in two less games then Orr. The 76 Canada Cup was designed to get revenge on the Soviets after making them look silly in the Summit Series.
Krutov was too young to play in 1976. He wasn't even playing pro hockey back then, he was 16. The main reason the Soviets didn't do too well in 76 is due to their first two best lines not playing . It wasn't best on best.
Nothing beats the 87 Canada Cup, peak hockey, especially with the 81 disaster looming in the shadows. Yeah we beat them in the 84 semi-finals, but it wasn't the finals.
Fun fact - 2 of the best pure goal scorers in hockey history were on on Team Canada. Another fun fact - both were chains smokers who ultimately died of lung cancer. ( Lafleur & Bossy )
Hockey history is written by Canada. The Soviets were head and shoulders better than the Canadians back then. Most "hockey fans" haven't even heard half of these Soviet players names.
If the Soviets were BETTER, Why did they win SO FEW, Best on Best Tourneys vs Canada and the also rans, even back in the days when our best NHLers had far less team preparation time, compared with their Soviet counterparts? ... In other words... Why did Canada win 5 Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey Tourneys, compared to only one for the Russians (1981), one for the Yanks (1996), and none for the rest of the hockey world??? And why, with a more level playing field, hasn't Russia managed a single gold medal in Olympic Hockey tourneys featuring full NHL participation? Canada has Won THREE Olympic Gold Medals in tourney's featuring full NHL participation, compared to 2 for the Rest of the World... Hockey History is written by the Victors which, in Best on Best Tourneys, has MOSTLY BEEN CANADA... CASE CLOSED!
@@berryscott3590 calm down Russophobe and tell us the name of the Russian woman who dumped you. You sound like a toddler who rambles on and on about why he deserved to win on Xbox. For the record, I went to the junior game where Russia beat Canada 6-0 😀and I will never forget seeing so many shocked Canadians who looked like they were about to vomit.
@@berryscott3590 Serbia beat your Canada in basketball without Nikola Jokic while you had a whole team of NBA players. Canadians were so arrogant and overconfident they would win with their Gilgeous Alexander, and yet he lost to a team of Serbians who just played a better team game while not having any NBA superstars on the team. Oh and at least our team is made up of actual Serbians, while your team is just Africa relocated.
@@berryscott3590 Croatia also destroyed Canada in the World Cup for the whole world to see after the Canadian coach arrogantly said they were going to f*** Croatia up in their next game. 😆
@@berryscott3590 USA has been owning Canada at World Juniors for the past 2 decades. USA has beaten you in just about every final they have played you since 2004.
We were greatly surprised knowing the score. It didn't reflect the real strength of excellent Canada team. Anyway such games influenced greatly the development of hockey. I remember the game like it was yesterday.
As a Russian, I always loved seeing the unstoppable modern hockey they brought. Additionally Vladislav revolutionized goaltending. The whole USSR system was incredibly conducive for high skill production. Which is why those skills are focused on in European hockey. 8-1 holy shit! Destroyed them😂😍
Any idea of a Canadian hockey "dream team" is not valid. The Soviets were already playing at the same level. This was not like basketball where NBA stars could play against countries that barely had any NBA players at all.
The USSR team played together all the time! It’s been proven dozens of times you just can’t throw together a bunch of great hockey players and expect to win every game! Those Soviet teams were some of the best to ever play, we as Canadian hockey fans always underestimated how great they really were!
Ahh, we did quite well against the Russians with " just throwing a team together". Olympics 2010 and 2014, Canada Cup, World Cups, Juniors. We will always have the best talent and usually, usually, we win.
But I kinda agree, The Soviets playing together for way longer does benefit them. But fuck them, we're the best.
We no longer have the best goalies though. That’s one area where Canada is sorely lacking.
Not the 1977 Montreal Canadiens. They never faced. Even when they tied, MTL outshot them 52-15. Then when he Flyers beat them 4-1, they outshot USSR 49-17. Not even close....
And the whining continues….
I was at that game. Tretiak was phenomenal. The Russians destroyed a Canadian squad that was playing sloppy hockey.
I was heartbroken as a boy of barely 13.
As an adult , I feel privileged to have seen so many legends on the ice at the same time.
ненавижу Третьяка. Макаров, Крутов да, но там зарешили всё игроки Спартак Москва.
I hate Tretyak. Makarov, Krutov, yes, but all the Spartak Moscow players were killed there.
@@ИгорьЕвсеев-д6т. Сильных Личностей - многие ненавидят.
@@ИгорьЕвсеев-д6т Местечковый сраптаковский патриотизм это так круто..... (нет). Только потому, что у СССР не было нормального вратаря вроде Третьяка они не выиграли больше ни одного кубка канады.
No doubt... Hall of Fame players were there.
@@AndreaVasquez-jb1ghТе которые зал славы отбирают. Они вообще кто такие? Они вообще достойны оценивать то кто чего достоин? Ну наотбирали некоторые недостойные люди неких игроков в свой зал славы и чего?
The way the soviets played this game was way ahead of its time. Never a bad thing to be humbled - you learn something.
What does "ahead of its time" actually mean? Why do so many people say this? To sound cool?
What about Summit Series 1972?
@ it’s just just my comparison of the North American “dump & chase style” versus the “puck possession” style. It is cool to think of 2 universes colliding. We North Americans knew very little about the soviets back then. I guess the “cool part” is looking at it from an anthropological/historical perspective.
The Soviets played for possession and control like a cohesive 5-man squad. The Red Wings Russian Five also played like that.
I'll give them that. The Soviet Style was oft times esthetically pleasing... But again, not many if any of you young whipper snappers realize that that 'Soviet style' was really invented by Lloyd Percival, a Canuck, and author of, 'The Hockey Handbook'
xxx
EDIT and Side Note to 'Neutralevil 1917...
TH-cam Thought Police won't let me respond to your, arguably, anti-Western, Hockey-Wokesism, propaganda, so let's see if I can't respond this way...
First off, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye.
Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
xxx
I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one.
..
Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews
xxx
A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Actually no, that's the myth and I'm quoting "serving to privilege a Canadian ice hockey system while relegating other ‘narratives’ and ice hockey systems to that of mere receivers". I'm a gen X'er and I remember good ol' Soviets. No one played the Soviet style before the Soviets cause the Soviets themselves invented their own style.
Tobias Stark and Hart Cantelon made it pretty clear in their 2019 paper
First off, this HOCKEY WOKEism CRAP smacks of Neo-Marxist and anti-Western propaganda, in keeping with the Neo-Marxist and dare I say racist, some have even alleged, 'thieving' ideologues at the helm of the BLM (Bigots Love Marxism) Movement. (Side Note: Where did the missing millions in BLM contributions go? 'Inquiring minds want to know!')
Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
xxx
I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
My young whippersnapper: If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one...
Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity...
xxx
A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
@@neutralevil1917 First off, your HOCKEY WOKEism smacks of anti-Western, Neo-Marxist progaganda ...Alas, I need to stop right there since my initial post was sent down the proverbial 'Memory Hole' by YouTUBE THOUGHT POLICE
Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
xxx
I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one...
Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews
xxx
A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590don’t nobody wanna read all that shit
Great to hear the shout-out for Terry Fox, a Canadian hero because of his courage and passion.
I met Terry in Ajax, Ontario during his run. Hardwood Ave and HWY 2. I was 10 years old. He was and still is my only hero.
even Terry Fox has been morphed into a shameful athletic icon to some, instead of the fighter for cancer research that he was. How do these people get offended by Terry Fox's purpose?
@@Parlimant_Strifey they're not people.
in all the very First final matches, at the main World Hockey tournaments, the Youth World Hockey Championship. Olympic Hockey Games. Main World Hockey Championship. Canada Cup. where the Canadian national team met with Russian Hockey Players in the final matches. Russian Hockey Players won all these final matches.
Youth World Championships held in Canada in 1999 and 2003. Albertville Olympics 1992. The Main World Championship took place in Canada in 2008. 1981 Canada Cup. at all these tournaments, the Victory of Russian Hockey Players in the final matches.
@@XanderDDS. The History of meetings between the Canadian team and Russian Hockey Players at the Olympic Games.
match scores:
1956. Canada - USSR. 0 - 2.
1960. Canada - USSR. 8 - 5.
1964. Canada - USSR. 2 - 3.
1968. Canada - USSR. 0 - 5.
1980. Canada - USSR. 4 - 6.
1984. Canada - USSR. 0 - 4.
1988. Canada - USSR. 0 - 5.
1992. Canada - RUS. 4 - 5. final 1 - 3.
2006. Canada - RUS. playoffs 0 - 2.
2010. Canada - RUS. 7 - 3.
for all the meetings at the Olympic Games, the Canadian national team with Russian Hockey Players, the Russian Hockey Players never lost to the Canadian national team with a clean score. and Canada lost to the Russian Hockey Players (5) five times.
I remember the first time I saw the Russians playing Canada in the early 1980s and my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe how talented they were. Skating and especially their passing totally outmatched Canada
There is no and never was any talent there.
Russians were and are in prison. They were ordered to win at hockey, they trained 24/7 without breaks. That's exactly how 20 girls play football in China today - the national football team, no more is needed.
Great interview with Scotty Bowman after the game where he said something to the effect that "Trottier is a force in our league but he can’t keep up with this Soviet team"… very honest appraisal of where the two programs were.
That move on LaFluer in the 3rd was brutal!!!
Lafleur was a good sniper, but he was a one way player. I think he had to be introduced to the defensive zone.
Loving these short documentary style videos, I especially like that you cover semi-forgotten hockey history. Makes for fun conversations with my Dad. Keep up the good work.
Tretriak stoned the Canadians cold in the first period. After that it was no contest. When Tretriak was on his game they were almost unbeatable.
yyup- he was amazing - if you can't score-you can't win!
@@GuyCybershy it was cool being at the Bell Centre one night for a game and Tretiak was in the house. He received a heartfelt round of applause. He seems to be well respected.
Hence the nickname “Stone wall Tretriak.” The Canadian out sized the USSR, too.
There's more to hockey than dump and chase, slash, cross-check and fighting.
We learned from it then triumphed as we always do against emotionless athletes like them.
Although these three Canadian players didn't play that way.
"like a hoop around a barrel" - Howie Meeker
@@ront769 emotionless is why they where so difficult to beat. difficult to rattle people like that
@thecastleofenlightenment2604 Eventually we channeled ours and made sure they can no longer defeat us in a best on best whether it's men or women. The good guys always win even if it doesn't look as precise but at least it was accomplished with heart.
I remember that game. Canadian hockey would never quite be the same after that... for the better. While Canada produced the greatest hockey superstars in the world, the Larionov five was the greatest line I've ever witnessed in all of hockey. Individualism vs. collectivism playing a "team" game?... it's a no-brainer, really!!
Alan Eagleson-of-a-bi***!!!
The best line I ever seen had Gretzky and Lemieux.
individualism vs collectivism has all sorts of dire totalitarian impiications particularly in an era of rapidly eroding human rights..
That matter aside, playing a 'team game' is pretty much a 'No brainer' if, IF you live and train together, in militaristic and Spartan fashion, 11 months a year, a la CCCP... and don't have to deal with an 80 game schedule, replete with a hectic, cross continent travel schedule, and precious little between games practice time, UNLIKE your NHL counterparts
@@basilcarroll9729if they were so good they wouldn’t need help from the refs. ‘87 Canada Cup had the worst officiating in the history of the sport.
@@alsukharsky I didn't see it that way but I did notice that 3 Months later at the Izvestia tournament the Soviet team with its maga stars lost to Canada on home ice with Euro reffs .Canada won the tournament with none of it's maga stars so that answered all the questions of home ice and referees .
And a couple of months after the Izvestia the Russians destroyed the same Canada in Calgary 5-0
The Red Army team was the best hockey team I've EVER seen... Period, End of Story.
Soviets invented puck possession, the NHL will never admit that.
Mike Liut was the best goalie Canada had to offer?
Canada bitched and moaned for decades about not being able to field an NHL All Star Team against the USSR,
while the United States TWICE won gold against them in 1960 and 1980.
Just when I think that Allan Eagleson couldn't be more of an asshole, he totally redeems himself, lol!
Huh? Canada has won 9 of the 13 best on best tournaments, they beat Russia in 1972 and in 1976 Russia wasn't even good enough to reach the finals which Canada also won. Not sure what you're talking about saying Canada ws whining, you must have an overactive imagination.
87 team Canada beat your red army squad with the best EVER assembled team put together with only a few weeks to prepare and How long had red army been playing together ?? not to mention they play 11 months out of the year back then as 1 permanent roster. I agree Red army was an incredible team and played an oustanding style KLM Fed and Konst line probably the most effective. Difference here was Gretz and Mario Messier and the smaller rink and the never say die heart Canada seems to always have even down to when the the Jr's play at xmas time
If you think about the best Canadian goalies of the 1970's and 1980's Mike Liut's name probably wouldn't come up.
Ken Dryden had retired. We were a few years away from Patrick Roy and Grant Fuhr. Either one of them would have made a difference.
@@keyguy4752 they only win these tournaments on goonery not sheer talent.
It's interesting that the Soviets considered the Canada Cup a "nobody cares" tournament as a preparation for the World Cup
No one of soviet players was sent to GULAG after the lost in 1972.Stop repeating this stupid propaganda cliche.
That's a kind of Canadian humor that supposed to be smart for locals
I remember the canadian journalist who was obliged to eat his hat if the soviets won a game in 72. He did it but it was stupid.Some people were treated "traitors " if they thought Soviets could won a game...The only journalist who predict exactly the 4-3-1 was Michel Blanchard of The La presse journal...
yes...but this type of nonsense has to always be repeated despite being debunked. We see this same nonsense these days regarding China. It only serves to highlight the hilarious reality that the West thinks it is not propagandized as opposed to everywhere else.
@@claudebuysse7482 he was a newspaper writer and he ate his article not his hat
@@valpyatigorsky7591 Thanks for the information.
Eagleson likely Melted down the Nickle & went directly to the Pawn Shop!
How dare you denigrate an 'Order of Canada' recipient (wink, wink)
I remember watching this on an ancient, 14" TV, and rabbit ears. Very snowy. So many HHoFers! Tretiak was one of my boyhood hockey heroes. I was thrilled when he was drafted by Les Canadiens...
P.S., Dryden was my number-one hockey hero, at the time. Thank you for posting this, mate.
Old coach of mine saw Dryden play in college, said he was the best goalie in history to this day...
Biggest problem for the Canadians. They mostly ever played against each other. Where as the CCCP were an actual team.
USSR players spent a lot of time together. If you look at the lineup in this game, the first five were entirely CSKA, the second three were attacking from Spartak, all three pairs of defenders were also from the same clubs. They played during the season (although the Soviet season was short, 40-44 matches), there were a lot of national team games (world championship, numerous tournaments, long training camps). They were just very well-acted. But this did not stop the Miracle on Ice from happening in 1980.
@@classic.cameras Although I believe that the 1981 Soviet National Team was the best hockey team in the world, I always had this gut feeling that the the New York Islanders had the chemistry and toughness to defeat the Soviets fairly consistently.
Vary bad players selection,aspsially make liut he didn't belong in the team at all.
@@UCMUjoTgQEEvery top team has their low points. miracle on ice was the soviets
@@Polytroutsoviets beating the soviets?
I remember when Larionov was in his 40's and getting 4 or 5 assists in a game
The professor😏
It was like he was ahead of the game, setting the pieces into function
The Russian style of game would become the Oilers style very quickly and now every single team in the NHL plays the Russian style of hockey. They refined and defined the game.
Still CSKA destroyed the Oilers in 1986 superseries...
The Oilers game was drafted from the Winnipeg Jets of the WHA. Very much a European-North American hybrid.
Gretzky said after years: "We learn more from Russia, then Russia learn from us".
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video is the reason behind making the 1981 Canada Cup final a one game winner take all instead of best two out of three, which all the other Canada Cups had as the format for the final. There was an international series called the 1979 Challenge Cup held at Madison Square Garden in February between the NHL all-stars (who were made up almost entirely of Canadian players plus three Swedish players) and the Soviet national team. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada won the first game 4-2. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada were leading 4-2 about halfway through game 2 when the Soviet team flipped a switch scoring three goals to win 5-4. In game 3, the Soviet team completely embarrassed the NHL all-stars/Team Canada 6-0. Because of this result, it was felt that Canada would be unable to beat the Soviets twice in a best of three playoff, so they decided on the one game final in 1981. After the debacle of the 8-1 loss, it was back to the original best of three format. I even remember there being a political cartoon showing Alan Eagleson yelling at the Soviet airplane as it was leaving Canada saying, "Hey, it was best two out of three!"
Ironically enough had he 87 final been a one off the Soviets would have won, as they won the first game of that series
This game was played only 2 weeks after the greatest of all Soviet hockey greats, Valerij Charlamov, lost his life in a tragic traffic accident...
You meant Kharlamov?
@@jean-louislalonde6070 His name was always spelled Charlamov in Europe.
@@Kirneh63 OK.
@@Kirneh63 I never knew that... reminds me of 'Charlamagne the (Hockey) God!'
@@jean-louislalonde6070 in Russian it's Харламов, sounds like 'har-lAh-mof', with the stress on the second syllable.
Bobby Clarke wasn't there to break the ankle of Soviets leading scorer like with Canada Cup
Without bothering to check I think Yakushev sp? was likely CCCP's leading scorer... although I agree Kharlamov was their MOST TALENTED forward/best skater...
@@strannick2212 That reminds me of the play in game 5 when Paul Henderson was chopped down by Alexander Maltsev causing him to hit the boards head first giving him a concussion .
@basilcarroll9729 Clarke was surely instructed to maim the Russian in game 1 cause Canada knew they had to cheat to be competitive. That series would have also been a blowout if Canada hadn't resorted to their ugly tactics.
The Russian whose ankle Clarke broke was out for the series
Henderson meanwhile of course was fine
@@strannick2212 Canada spent most of Game 8 shorthanded cause CCCP had ref Joseph Kompalla on their team, a decision sprung on Team Canada at the 11th hour...
The Soviet captain (Boris M) REPEATEDLY kicked one of our guys (Was it Gary Bergman?) in the shins... if memory serves that happened in Game 7... Using your skate as a weapon... Really Boris?
Some Homer Russian goal judge didn't put the red light on after Canada scored the tying goal in the 3rd... KGB had a meltdown cause some Canuck in the crowd had the gall to blow a trumpet...
TC had their beer stolen... They were being woken up in their hotel rooms, at all hours of the night, by mysterious phone calls...Perhaps KGB were conducting a poll in broken English? ;)
The list of Soviet dirty tricks goes on and on... Even so, Canada , who began the series out of shape and over confident, WON the last 3 games on Moscow Ice... Yet you claim Canada needed to cheat to win... NONSENSE...
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Canadians, a la their Soviet counterparts, were NO CHOIR Boyz... Both sides hated one another...
This may sound awful to modern sensibilities... But consider the times...
During WW2 Canada , a nation of 10million , had 1 million men at arms... All of our players had relatives who experienced combat..
Rightly, or wrongly, TC viewed these games almost as an extension of WW2, Korea, Vietnam... .. This transcended hockey... It really was a clash of Worldviews/Coldwar on Ice! '... That your response seems so one sided tells me you are not old enough to have experienced the Summit Series firsthand...
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But to respond to one of your original points... Yes, Bobby Clarke WAS instructed by assistant coach John Ferguson to give Kharlamov's ankle a tap... Fergie later admitted this... although Clarke kept mum... only giving his 'name, rank and series number', he said waxing metaphorically
xxx
Alas, all our heroes, be they hockey heroes or war heroes, had feet of clay... Errors in judgement/Atrocities were committed by both sides ...
In terms of our spiritual development, we humans are still a work in progress. Shyte happens under duress, in fits of anger/moments of unbridled pride and prejudice... ... It was what it was... what it is... what it shall be... until what we call 'HIS-STORY' comes full circle sometime in the not too distant ANNO DOMINI...
PEACE OUT
@@strannick2212 The slash on Kharlamov didn't happen in Game 1...
I remember this tournament well... Canadian hockey hadn't yet adjusted to the European system yet, despite the close call in '72. Liut was more proof that the big goalie struggled against the Russians (shades of Dryden in '72). And God love him, Guy was already past his prime at that point.
I have no doubt that the Soviet Team in the 1981 Canada Cup was the superior team. It was the best team in the world at the time.
HOWEVER, a culmination of some events contributed to this disaster.
1. Bob Bourne didn't play due to contract disputes with the New York Islanders.
2. Bill Barber was injured
3. Mike Liut had a horrible game
4. Team Canada got robbed by Vladislav Tretiak.
5. Canada did not ice the best team that they could
It should be noted that the following all-star game featured very few members from the "Dream Team" that suffered the 8-1 humiliation.
This loss wasn't about Canadian hockey not adjusting to the European system. Although the Soviets were better, this game was not indicative of that fact - Canada could have won that game, but the goaltending was lopsided.
Even if Canada had assembled the best team that they could, it would not be as good as this Soviet juggernaut. But a stronger Canadian team with Don Edwards in net might have won that night, but it wouldn't mean that Canada was better at that time.
@@PolytroutCanada had a decent tournament, they were undefeated the round robin and had a +19 in goals while the Soviets were +7.Canada also defeated the Soviets 7-3. The Czechs also had a strong team as they tied both Canada and the USSR .
@@PolytroutBilly Smith made the team but was injured too. He was one of the best big game players in his prime. He loved the spotlight and getting in the heads of his opponents. I could see him giving the Soviets fits if he played.
Lafleur was 30. Connor McDavid is almost 28.
@mikemyros4142 Billy Smith would have played better than Mike Liut did that night. Who knows what would have happened had Billy Smith or Don Edwards was in net? I doubt that it would have been such a blowout. But as I said earlier, there were injuries and contract disputes affecting the roster; Canada didn't ice their best possible team. Guy Lafleur's lifestyle was catching up with him as well. Gilbert Perreault, though older than Lafleur, took better care of himself but was injured.
Months before the tournament, I predicted a blowout like 6 or 7-2. But as an ignorant teenager, my reason was, "without Bob Bourne and Mike McEwen Team Canada would face an impending doom". I gloated but was po'ed that Mike McEwen wasn't even invited to the Team Canada training camp and that Bob Bourne couldn't risk it. Don Cherry would have murdered me for the Mike McEwen part of that comment...
This is the earliest hockey memory of mine that I can date. I was born in 1977. I remember standing in den, probably playing with a set of blocks, and seeing the Russians celebrating.
"Did the Russians win?" I asked my Dad.
"The Russians won this time," he said.
You had me by about 1:45! New subscriber. Great watch!
Thank god for the Soviets - they changed the game of hockey for the better.
PS With respect, there was no “dark and sinister aspect” to the Soviet national anthem. It was widely regarded as among the most beautiful pieces of music ever created for a national anthem.
Tretiak man. Every time I can catch any old footage, the guy is always a problem for whoever is playing the USSR. Dude likely the best in the world at the time.
Watch the first period of the game in Vancouver vs the WHA, he didn't look too good.
@ I’m aware he had his moments. What athlete doesn’t ? Even the great ones get humbled every once in a while. It’s inevitable. The point of my comment stands
Best for sure. Just approach to belittle his talent by saying he was doing his best bc of fear of Gulag - is pretty low... Those guys were real patriots no matter what shitty commy government was running the country.
Bobby Clark , in my opinion, said it best when he said, in reference to Tretiak’s play in the 72 series, he was good goalie playing way over his head. I think Tretiak had a phenomenal couple of series against us , and let’s not forget the “ Greatest Game ever Played “ against the Montreal Canadiens on New Year’s Eve in I believe 1975. Please feel free to correct me if the date is wrong. But also don’t forget he couldn’t protect the Soviet’s leads in the three games in Moscow in 1972 against a Canadian team finally getting into shape. I think it would have been interesting to see the 72 or 81 teams play a full NHL season in either of those decades while only being allowed to play together as a team for training camp. No one will convince me that the Soviets and Tretiak wouldn’t take some 6-5 or maybe 8-7 heart breaking losses against some way weaker team that was having the game of their lives. The superior Soviet method of conditioning is just that, superior, so I was surprised when we got into shape in the middle of an 8 game series and managed the comeback we did. The Russians have produced some amazing players ;Ovechkin for example. This man is the greatest goal scorer ever and also my favourite player so please don’t call me out as anti- Russian.
In short the best players don’t always make the best team and the best teams aren’t always a collection of all stars. I would also like to point out that given the new ( Russian ) training system, and having the series played when both teams are well into their schedules , we almost always win.
@@billmitchell6575 during the 76 Canada Cup CBC filmed a series, "Showdown in the NHL", a penalty shot competition. Tretriak was the winner no one could score on him.
Gretzky hat wohl viel von den Russen gelernt, er spielte als einzigster später in der NHL modernes Eishockey. Es dauerte noch fast 20 Jahre, bis in der NHL ein Stilwechsel einsetzte. Wäre der eiserne Vorhang geblieben, hätte es die NHL noch heute schwer gegen Russen und Tschechen zu gewinnen.
Gretzky era um jogador unilateral. Ele esperava que os pontas o encontrassem livre e então passassem o disco para ele.
Ele era um artilheiro incrível, mas esse era seu único jogo.
Em um jogo de prorrogação, Gretzky é o último jogador que um técnico gostaria de ter no gelo! Ele não conseguia se proteger contra os piores jogadores no gelo.
Até Ovechkin era um jogador melhor em todos os aspectos do que Wayne, o que é terrível, porque Ovi também é unidimensional... mas pelo menos, controlado.
Team Canada was overconfident and Liut was a sieve. In other tournaments, when the skaters were figuring it out, the goaltending stepped up.
Exactly. Canada was the best team all tournament, they destroyed USSR in their other game, and Gretzky led in scoring. Tretiak was hot, and Luit was terrible.
I was there. The third period killed the crowd which, as mentioned, started leaving before the game was over. Then we heard a door being closed with a loud noise to which someone said it must be Alan Eagleson leaving the Forum!
Canada's goaltending was poor. Also, the tournament organizers made a big mistake in making it a one game final instead of a series. Remember Canada lost the first game in 87.
The gulag jokes were wearing a bit thin, but this was very interesting and frankly more interesting than watching most hockey games now.
Cry liberal
@@rmay16 Cry idiot.
@@rmay16 just want to see your train of thought on this comment.
I'm really enjoying these videos. Keep them coming!
I remember this tournament well, was 15. I was livid we lost to the Soviets lol. You look back on it now, yep, we sucked! For me, the Canada Cup 87 was exciting as hell. I remember being in college and one of my classmates asked me who's scoring the winner tonight? I immediately responded Lemieux....little did I know I would be correct in that prediction lol. We don't have that kind of buildup and excitement anymore - those were the best days of hockey in the 80'sm all the Canada vs Soviets meetings were off the charts with excitement!
Yes, since the old Soviet Union dissolved, there's no bitterness, bile, and hate as there was back then. Geez, I feel like my grandfather talking about the "good old days" now.
Very informative. I remembered the stink over the Soviets trying to take the Cup home, but was unaware of the part about the replica being given to them. Thank you.
It was a disgrace. It was alleged that some Canadian players had partied all night before the game.
I heared that too.
This morning I was watching The New England Whalers beat the Soviets 5-2 at The Hartford Civic Center in 1976.
That must have been one of the worst games they ever played. It looked like they were missing a lot of good players in that game.
Yes the whalers were great that night,the couldn't seem to do anything wrong.
Canada needed Bobby Orr. One book mentioned that during the previous Canada Cup, everyone was scared..until Bobby Orr showed up in the dressing room. They said it was like a parent had shown up to organize the kids and they knew things were going to be alright.
Sadly, the Canadian system never learned from these losses. The Soviet style of puck possession is a superior brand of hockey, but Canada opted to shove the dump-and-chase, park fwds in front of the net, skill-less, brute style of hockey. It was Don Cherry hockey, made simple for players with little-to-no skill. The skilled players are then saddled with trying to go end-to-end to try to make something happen. It's an easy system to shut down. This style persists to this day, making hockey a mostly dull game to watch. I'd kill to see positional puck movement in a set break-out, and chances made breaking across the opposing blue line, instead of the predictability of another dump, chase, throw the body, hope for something sloppy hockey. US College hockey is a better version of the game, so maybe the Americans will be the change the game needs moving fwd. Thanks for the video. Subbed.
The so-called 'Russian Style' was the invention of Canadian Lloyd Percival author of 'The Hockey Handbook' a book Anatoly Tarasov dubbed the father of Russian hockey called, HIS BIBLE... Tarasov had Percival's book translated into Russian and 500 copies printed up, just for starters...The REST IS HOCKEY HISTORY... a little known, though not totally forgotten history...
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Incidentally, my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley, was invited behind the Iron Curtain to serve as a guest coach for the Soviet Nats circa the early fifties. Schooley, another Lloyd Percival disciple, was summarily shown the door, by the Soviets, after they won their first World Championship in 1954 without so much as a 'Thank-you'...
All this was documented by Glenn Nott, in a Special to the Hamilton Spectator, a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe', a copy of which can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library under the name Harold Schooley; there's only one such article gathering dust in a small drawer in said library.... Schooley was in the 1953 Guiness book for the most goals ever scored in a pro hockey game EIGHT, suiting up for the Fife Flyers (EDIT: Or was it the Paisley Pirates, one or t'other was the competing team) of the British Elite League, or whatever it was called back then...
People forget that UK hockey was high quality in the WW2 and Post War era, with so many transplanted Canadian Servicemen. Indeed UK actually won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936... Sure I'm biased, but Harold Schooley's overseas hockey exploits make for an interesting read, plus they deserve to be properly documented BEFORE they are lost forever to posterity
PEACE OUT
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EDIT: Seems the Powers that Be won't let me post anymore in this thread... Since we're never supposed to speak Truth to Power, 'Truth', to borrow from Pamela Geller, 'is the New Hate Speech'
Let's see if we can't circumvent TH-cam Thought Police, reminiscent of the officiating of Joseph Kompalla, ici
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BLS... @HOCKEYFILES-sf8gv ... I never said the ENTIRE Soviet style comes from Canada', just that much of it originated in Canada and was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
READ 'The Hockey Handbook', the book Tarasov called his 'Bible', the book Tarasov had translated into Russian and 500 copies printed up, YOURSELF... THEN GET BACK TO ME...
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Tarasov thought enough of Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', to travel all the way to Canada to see Percival when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing personal, hand-written note of thanks on the inside cover of one of Percival's book (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'), likewise acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, dubbed 'The Father of Soviet Hockey) and Soviet hockey owed Lloyd Percival...
Again READ The Hockey Handbook for yourself... The proof is there, in black and white, that many, arguably most, of the so-called innovations attributed to Tarasov, actually original with, and were preached years earlier by Percival
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PS: In this very thread, a clearly knowledge-able poster calling himself 'Vesterwax', a man who claimed to have dined with coach Herb Brooks, likewise opined (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the 'Soviet' puck possession style really originiated, years earlier, in Canada...But that he didn't know said system originated with Percival...
No offense, but for those in the know above a certain age, this stuff is OLD NEWS... In fact it was being written and spoken about, in mainstream Canadian newspapers and media, back in the days of the 1972 Summit Series... a series truly unparalleled, in terms of its historical impact... a series some have taken to calling, 'Cold War on Ice!'
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@@berryscott3590 Great info! I was aware the style originated in Canada, but was not aware of Percival. It's a shame muckers with low hockey IQs infiltrated the system and shaped the way the game grew to be played here. I try to imagine how dominant Canada would actually be IF they played the old-time hockey of 'skate, pass, shoot, score!'
As a Canadian I always felt Canada should have lost the 1972 series against the Soviets. We prefer pushing for individual talent whereas the Soviets/Russians never forget that hockey is a team sport.
@@jean-louislalonde6070 Bobby Clarke also took out their best player with a disgusting cheap shot.
With all due respect Kemosabey, you're NOT quite right...
Not only what some construe as the classic NHL/Canuck Hockey Style... But also what others consider the classic CCCP style, which seems to insist on maintaining puck possession, come hell or high water, even when crossing the opponents blue line, can and has been countered quite effectively, even by comparative minnows... Case in point... Lowly Belarus did it to the Swedish Torpedo System which, like CCCP, shunned the dump and chase game back in the day, simply by standing incoming forwards up at the blue line ... And, of course, the Clarke and Shero led Broad Street Bullies made mincemeat out of Red Army, not only by roughing them up, BUT by presenting the Canadian version of the Berlin Wall, in the neutral zone, then going on fast-paced counterattacks ...
THE BEST SYSTEM, Barr None, is a Hybrid classic Canadian and European/CCCP Style which Herb Brook's character, based closely on real life, replete with real hockey players in lieu of professional actors, made clear in the Movie Miracle ... Had the Swedes, for example, added a little dump and chase to their repetoire, stead of being so inflexible, NO WAY they lose to Belarus at Salt Lake City...
NEWSFLASH: Soviet/Russian Hockey, moreso than any other hockey nation, has been slow to adapt... With all Russia's offensive talent, that's THE BIGGEST Reason they haven't won a true, best on best competition, since 1981...
PEACE OUT
Great video!
The Soviets had excellent discipline and conditioning-stamina. Very rigid training and practice/drills. The Canadians had more individual talent, 'farm boys playing shinny on a frozen pond', mixing it up, playing with more emotion. You can respect both. It was great hockey.
There wasn't the emphasis on conditioning in the NHL at that time as there is today. The Soviets had a state supported, highly structured training program all year long.
@@daniel213141 I know.
This must be one of the few rare times that Gretz didn't have his jersey tucked in. It's weird to see.
the loss of gilbert perrault was biggest hit for the number one line...gretz, guy and gil...his speed kept the other teams backing up
Now the NHL is organizing a 4 nation tournament set for February 2025. It only features U.S.A., Canada, Sweden and Finland. Russia is banned because of the invasion of Ukraine, but why is the Czechia team left out? In addition, some of the NHL's greatest players like Pasternak (Czechia), Kucherov, Ovechkin, Vasilevskiy, Bobrovsky, Shestyorkin, Panarin (Russia), Draisaitl (Germany) cannot play in this tournament. They are not even going to have a Team Europe. Absolutely, insane and an insult to the previous Canada Cup tournaments.
It's a shame !
I've always wanted a Team Canada vs Team Europe match - like the Ryder Cup.
@@daveg6839 With mixed referees and in Olympic skating rink...
Team europe?? Couldnt care less for a made up team.
@@robertjansson7968 Now it's become impossible for evident reasons...
The problem here was that the Soviets were a team that played together all year around. The Canadian team was not a team but an all star roster who didn't play together, except for this tournament. Canada was still the best hockey nation on Earth and developed (by far) the most players and the most elite level players. It was a deceiving score as the game was over half way through the third period and the Russians (as they were known to do) ran up the score to pad their stats. It's too bad that the NHL didn't cooperate to a higher degree so that the teams could have had more time to play together. It would have been a fascinating thing to watch Canada's best TEAM against that Red Army squad.
Great topic! Vaguely remember, but Wayne’s book reminded me of it. In 1980 I was 12 and lived in NY and witnessed the Challenge Cup wipeout
And was 30 minutes away from Lake Placid during the game and we found out the US won (it was Not aired live) and outside the area no one knew who won! It was still exciting as we thought it was a fake rumor. No way in hell that would/could happen today!
Fantastic video, thank you so much!!! You have another subscriber 😉 and closer to 10,000.
Yay! Thank you!
Great and Mighty Won! So Beautiful, So Beautiful!!!
Don Cherry probably had an aneurysm coming to terms with this result.
😆He probably smashed some objects in his house following the result. He hated the Russians with a passion, and even hated Ovechkin when he brought some emotion to the game by celebrating his incredible goals.
Salty Don got what he deserved when they fired him. He was acting more unpredictable and couldn't even string sentences together without Ron having to bail him out.
@@moreblack September '81 was rough this and the Expos losing the NLCS to the Dodgers.
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Go Kings, too 👑🏒💪🏼
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@@ZoranJankovic-p7sYep. Don was an unapologetic Anglo-supremacist.
The better team won Canada 🇨🇦 was to cocky that's what happens but the changed in the 1984 Canada 🇨🇦 Cup.
They had the wrong Dream Line. They should have had the Hanson brothers from "Slap Shot".
And, maybe Reggie Dunlop coaching, too. 🤣🤣🤣
I still think the final would have been different had Billy Smith been the starter in that game
Great video bud... You do good work.. Happy to be a subscriber.
Thanks!
This was in late summer and the Canadiens didn’t get into shape like the Soviet players. Being an athlete I would have trained all summer, but after NHL season, they needed a break!
Dump N' chase .
Real great strategy
You never see the Russians dump and chase. They always carry it in.
"Our coaches didn't allow us to shoot the puck into their zone. We were instructed to cross the blue line only by passing. The Canadians would dump the puck into our zone and chase after it. I don't know why our coaches thought this was a bad play. They scored a lot of goals this way." Gennady Tsygankov
Remember a story from Nick Lidström when Larionov came to the red wings. Larionov said, if you dump the puck, you go and get it. Russians don't chase the puck.
And yet, that was was not only the most successful kind of hockey, it was the most entertaining. Hockey now despite having bigger and faster players is boring and bland. And btw, that "dump and chase" hockey had Canada as the best team in this tournament and they destroyed USSR in their other meeting. The only difference here was goaltending. Tretiak was hot, and Luit was terrible.
@77dris exactly- and it was exposed. Not very hard to do when its Dump .....
and chaaaaaase.
I mean, that's some top notch strategy right there.
The original line was Lafleur, Perreault, and Gretzky. I think Perreault was injured, but I could be wrong.
Quite right... Gilbert Perreault (what a great player, I recall watching him as a kid, playing for the Montreal Jr Canadiens) was hurt and unavailable for the final
love the Terry Fox statement thats why i subscribed
Now for a palette cleanser let's hear about that '76 Flyers-Red Army game.
The worst game i ever saw...
@@claudebuysse7482 One of the best I ever saw. Shero murdered them tactically. The Soviets never changed their style, Shero studied and countered it (lined his players at the red line) and the Soviets had no answers. The Flyers had talent, even their goons were decent talent. Same thing in 72, they didn't adapt to the game and when we finally got in shape enough to compete we beat them. There is an error in the movie Miracle where at the end they have Herb Brooks saying that the Soviets don't know what to do because they didn't pull their goalie. They almost never pulled their goalie they didn't believe in it as a strategy and I think that might have been justifiable thinking. What are the stats of an empty net goal vs an extra attacker goal. Plus usually the behind team has momentum and often controls the play while the ahead team is defending and playing fearful. I think that is a reasonable tactic (to not pull the goalie)
@@jethro1963 Thanks for your answer . I have a different view on that game. I saw it and i was disgusted by the goons of the Flyers. They wanted to injured every soviet player from the beginning. I never like that kind of playing the game. For the Shero system it was Bernie Parent. What's happened to Schultz , Salesky , Taylor and Dupont when they left the Flyers? Very short careers and only Dupont had continued.
Yes the Flyers had very good players like Clarke , Barber , Leach, Kindrachuk and Watson but without Parent and their dirty style, they could never won the Stanley cup.
And i can assure you that kind of playing hockey contaminated all the structure of hockey in North america for the worst. The victory of the Habs against them was a blessing for the hockey.
Frankly , that kind of hockey was a way to conquer the USA public and it worked very well... But you can have your opinion and i respect you. Sorry for my english not perfect.
Every dog has its day. When you calculate games that were absolute best of best - Canada has dominated USSR/Russia/The artist formerly known as USSR, etc.
Absolutely. The only best-on-best (country vs. country) tournament the Russians/Soviets ever won was the 1981 Canada Cup. Meanwhile, Canada won the 1972 Summit Series, the 1976 Canada Cup, the 1984 Canada Cup, the 1987 Canada Cup, the 1991 Canada Cup, the 2002 Olympics, the 2004 World Cup of Hockey, the 2010 Olympics, the 2014 Olympics, and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.
I was going to post this, when it's best on best the Soviets/Russians haven't fared well. I remember thinking (after smoking the Russians in the Vancouver Olympics) that the Russians would be loaded for bear when they get us back in Sochi. But it wasn't to be.
@@feponcio. Youth World Championships held in Canada in 1999 and 2003. Albertville Olympics 1992. The Main World Championship took place in Canada in 2008. 1981 Canada Cup. at all these tournaments, the Victory of Russian Hockey Players in the final matches.
@@jethro1963. in all the very First final matches, at the main World Hockey tournaments, the Youth World Hockey Championship. Olympic Hockey Games. Main World Hockey Championship. Canada Cup. where the Canadian national team met with Russian Hockey Players in the final matches. Russian hockey players won all these final matches.
@@ВикторМорев-в2ы As I said best on best. The Soviets were playing players who were not in the NHL/AHL.IHL/WHL etc. They weren't playing any of our top 500 players. One example is the World Championships where Canada could never have its best players and then later couldn't have players from the teams still in the NHL playoffs. When more Soviets could play in the NHL and the WC became a level playing field, the Canadians won a lot more and the Soviets a lot less.
I think the dream line was Trottier-Gillies-Bossy
When i hear those names... man i have goosebumps. Both sides they where great players if not all time then of generation. Hockey now is faster, smarter and if i can say that more attractive for a regular viewer, but i miss old hockey, even though i was born in 2000s lmao, ty for this video
One thing not mentioned in the video, but which definitely affected the Soviets playing in this tournament: a legendary Soviet player, and a good friend of many, if not all, of these players, Valeri Kharlamov, lost his life in a traffic accident roughly two weeks before the start of the tournament. If I remember correctly, Kharlamov died on the same day the Soviet team left for Canada, after being told by Tikhonov in front of the rest of the team, *at the bus station in Moscow, from where the team left for the airport* "you're not coming with us". This was seen as kind of a power move by Tikhonov, who had been "purging the old guard" from the "Big Red Machine" after their loss at the 1980 Olympics, forcing for example Kharlamov's long tenured linemates Petrov and Mikhailov out of the team. For some reason the Soviets flew over their own territories while traveling to Canada, meaning that they spent over a day in isolation inside the airplane, not getting the news of Kharlamov's passing. The players remember wondering, why the Canadians were welcoming them with flowers and condolences. Soviet team needed to get inside their hotel, before they could watch the news, finally finding out that Kharlamov had died. Also, if I remember correctly, the Canadians, showing a surprisingly great sportsmanship, offered the Soviets a chance to postpone the start of the Canada Cup, so that they could travel back to Moscow for Kharlamov's funeral, which (per Orthodox tradition) was supposed to be held in a few days time. Once again, Tikhonov pulled a power move, and without consulting the team, said that they are not going anywhere, and so the team for which Kharlamov gave so much of himself, was absent from his funeral. This, in turn, angered the Soviet team, which basically decided that the best way they could honor the memory of Kharlamov was to win the tournament, and the rest is history.
Ever heard of the summit series?
An otherwise excellent summary of the 81 series ruined by childish editorial comments
shout out to Portage and Main at 10:00 for the trophy ceremony and what looks like Ben Hatskin Jets 1.0 original owner in the background. allen eagleson was such a tool.
what some of the younger viewers might not realize is that back then seeing ads on the boards only occurred in international tournaments like this, and thus seemed unusual to someone used to watching nhl hockey.
I would love to hear the story when John Vanbiesbrouck become a Vancouver Canuck. A forgotten Canucks tale.
The 87 Canada cup was not the greatest international tournament ever held. That was the 72 series that led to all that came after it.
Yes and No... I watched both tourneys, either in person (I'm from the Hammer), or on TV... FYI, I'm a grandather of 2 and a great-grandpa of 2... While the 72 Summit Series was the most historically important hockey tourney, by far... Team Canada 72 was missing Orr due to injury, plus its WHA guys led by Bobby Hull (who Eagleson and the NHL brass wouldn't let participate)... Good as it was, great as its exploits were, Team Canada 72 wasn't our True A-Team... Compare that 72 roster with Team Canada 76 (Arguably, Team Canada's best ever team, ON PAPER), and it's not even close..and we could say much the same comparing 72, roster wise, to our 1987 Canada Cup Team, our 2014 Canadian Olympic Team, etcetera...
Back in 72, TC's brain-trust, or lack thereof, were novices when it came to picking national teams (Less we forget, our out of shape NHLers, hockey pundits etcetera, were likewise totally confident of winning by lopsided scores going in)... Moreover, our top NHLers hadn't yet learned to set their egos aside for the good of the team... It was only with their backs to the wall, and after narrowly avoiding defeat, that Hockey Canada and company learned these crucial lessons...
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@berryscott3590 In not talking about who and who was not on that Team Canada team as that is totally irrelevant to the games that were played, I'm talking about the actual games themselves and how the series played out. It was so close that during the intermission, after the second period, the Russians said they would claim victory if the score stayed tied at the end of the third period. They claimed as the records would be tied, they would win because they scored the most goals. That's how close it was and the drama the series had created. I remember watching that 3rd period full of dead that We were going to lose.
When Herderson scored that winning goal, drinks and chips and anything else being consumed by everyone in our house went flying across the room as everyone threw their arms up in celebration. The feeling that the free world was safe again from communism.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Yeah I was in grade 9 in 72 ... I experienced that SUMMIT SERIES, those 27 days in September too... Recall that I called it the most historically significant hockey series, by far...
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As for SAVING THE WORLD FROM COMMUNISM? Sure, we thought like that as naive kids..
Still, according to whistleblowers like Antony Sutton. Paul Warburg (likely working at the behest of the Rothschilds and Mirano Rockefellers) provided a fellow member of the NYC Babylonian Talmudic community , one Leon Trotsky, with 20 million in Gold bullion and safe ship's passage to St Petersburgh, to help bring about the fall of the Romanov dynasty in the days leading up to that 1917 so-called 'Russian' Revolution...
Word is, Trotsky's passport was signed by none other than Woodrow Wilson who also signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act into effect...
In other words, the same Occult (don;t say Judeo Masonic) Hierarchy, the same 'Hidden Hand' (whose Masonic Star of Moloch graces the US Seal, and the back of the US dollar Bill), who controls the US economy, US fiat currency & Central Banking, also helped finance & foment the so-called 'Russian Revolution'', as everyone from Winston Churchill to Henry Ford, & Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn have tacitly attested...
That you didn't appreciated any of this as a kid, during the height of the Cold War, and likely still don't... suggests to me that the True, Historical Significance of a good many things have mostly flown beneath your radar...
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The hockey was much better in 87 but the 72 series will never be topped.
They certainly should have known what to expect from the Summit Series in 1972 and the 1979 Challenge Cup.
Hey why have you stopped uploading
I'm always amazed at how demented Canadian hockey fans are (tho calling them hockey fans is a stretch, I never thought they loved the game, just their own country playing it). Always thinking they deserve to win and if they lose there has to be some excuse, never a congratulations to the better team. That's why Canadians get so violent when they're losing (Canadians are known as goons for a reason), and why they are willing to rig tournaments in their favor (just look at the 2002 Olympics, when Canadian and American refs steered and rigged the tourney for a USA-CAN final, there were even Canadian refs in key Team Canada games! a total scandal). Nevermind the 2004 World Cup of Hockey when the Canadians just couldn't stand losing to the better Czechs and so had their Canadian refs rig the semifinal. I recall after the Czechs won the 98 Olympics they were stunned that non-NHL players could win, funnily enough most of the team joined the NHL and became stars and superstars. Guess the world doesn't revolve around Canada.. I generally like Canadians, typically kind people, but Canadian hockey is gross, altho I've seen violence in Canadian soccer too so maybe it's their sporting culture in general...
And Roy refused to shake hands to the Czechs opponents. First time i saw that in history of the Olympics...
@@martinvlcek5332 I'm truly amazed at how demented of a hockey fan you are... (Sorry, I guess you represent and speak on behalf of ALL Czech hockey fans... Right?!... And boy, do you make them look ridiculously horrible here...)
The irony in trying to say "never a congratulations to the better team" - while you have a conspiracy excuse listed for each and every time Canada did better then the Czechs 🤣🤣🤦 - Boy it must be crazy living in the alternate reality where your exempt from seeing all your own hypocrisy... Where you don't experience shame from being THIS much of a hack, & just making up stuff as you go along half the time, while the other half, you have an ENTIRE NARRATIVE remembered off the top of your head, about how bad CANADA is, as a whole 🤣🤦 about how violent and awful they ALL are...(At least each and every Canadian hockey fan is anyway)
... Simply because you're butthurt they didn't yank you off enough for the few times the Czechs did better... That, and you don't like that some people DARE to analyze what Canada could've done better to NOT lose the game... Which is basic sports 101...
You just clearly simply don't like that somebody is DARING to make content saying they don't think that there's NOTHING better they could have done, and there's no way Canada could have won the game, because "the Czechs were just ALWAYS going to win, because they're just THAT much better... Or something... Even though it's a game that went to a shootout... But Canada is just lucky that it even went to a shootout...or something... And it doesn't mean that MAYBE YOU overestimate how good the Czechs were, if you believe they were so much better, Canada shouldn't have even made it to a shootout in the first place...
Maybe ironically it's YOU failing to give Canada THEIR due props LITERALLY EACH AND EVERY TIME they out perform what YOU think THEY should be capable of...
...Because you're simply a hypocritical hack who's working backwards from pre determined conclusion, and you know you are deep down... You know you are a hack who's making crap up to fit the narrative you wanted to make up as well... Literally everything you typed out here is straight comedy-fiction.
I was born in America, lived in Canada since I was four, and Hasak is my favorite goalie of all time... and I VERY easily give him props and congratulations for beating Canada... And I'm a proud dual US- Canadian hockey fan... So is it just the American in me that's giving a congratulations?! How do I fit in with your warped, ridiculously gooberish worldview?!
Am I an exception to the rule?! How can I live in Canada, be a Canadian citizen, and still give the Czechs their props?!? According to you it's basically impossible?! I should be demented right?!
So according to your own logical fallacy, I guess I'm demented in believing that the Czechs deserve props for their win?!? Right?!? 😜
My god if you don't see why its ridiculous to talk the way OP talks here about entire populations millions of people large, like they all have one hive mind... You never will... (But of course where he comes from, he's a "brave independent thinker"... or something... And HIS country doesn't experience hive mind syndrome... Or something...)
I remember that tournament. I don’t know why they had Gretzky and Lafleur on the same line. There was a lack of chemistry as they both wanted and kept the puck from each other.
Tretiak vs Liut. Easy to predict the outcome.
They basically lived together 24/7. There's great sport documentary I recommend called Red Army, if you're interested how Soviet Union ran their hockey system.
Must have been tough for Gretzky to actually be tackled hard in these international games, like every other player. 😀
That is a beautiful thumbnail
That Canada team seemed pretty weak, line up-wise. Mike Liut as Team Canada goaltender?
Liut was on the receiving end of that infamous Montreal Forum cheer....any save, however easy, was cheered sarcastically.
Krutov was the actual 76 Canada Cup MVP. It was given to Orr but Krutov had as many points while playing in two less games then Orr. The 76 Canada Cup was designed to get revenge on the Soviets after making them look silly in the Summit Series.
Krutov was too young to play in 1976. He wasn't even playing pro hockey back then, he was 16. The main reason the Soviets didn't do too well in 76 is due to their first two best lines not playing . It wasn't best on best.
Love this vid :)
Nothing beats the 87 Canada Cup, peak hockey, especially with the 81 disaster looming in the shadows. Yeah we beat them in the 84 semi-finals, but it wasn't the finals.
Can you imagine the goals that line would have scored if they were paired up on a team first a full season?
what is up with the blue pants in 87?
Sponsored by the Toronto Maple Leafs... LOL
Fun fact - 2 of the best pure goal scorers in hockey history were on on Team Canada. Another fun fact - both were chains smokers who ultimately died of lung cancer. ( Lafleur & Bossy )
Hockey history is written by Canada. The Soviets were head and shoulders better than the Canadians back then. Most "hockey fans" haven't even heard half of these Soviet players names.
If the Soviets were BETTER, Why did they win SO FEW, Best on Best Tourneys vs Canada and the also rans, even back in the days when our best NHLers had far less team preparation time, compared with their Soviet counterparts? ... In other words... Why did Canada win 5 Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey Tourneys, compared to only one for the Russians (1981), one for the Yanks (1996), and none for the rest of the hockey world??? And why, with a more level playing field, hasn't Russia managed a single gold medal in Olympic Hockey tourneys featuring full NHL participation?
Canada has Won THREE Olympic Gold Medals in tourney's featuring full NHL participation, compared to 2 for the Rest of the World...
Hockey History is written by the Victors which, in Best on Best Tourneys, has MOSTLY BEEN CANADA... CASE CLOSED!
@@berryscott3590 calm down Russophobe and tell us the name of the Russian woman who dumped you. You sound like a toddler who rambles on and on about why he deserved to win on Xbox.
For the record, I went to the junior game where Russia beat Canada 6-0 😀and I will never forget seeing so many shocked Canadians who looked like they were about to vomit.
@@berryscott3590 Serbia beat your Canada in basketball without Nikola Jokic while you had a whole team of NBA players. Canadians were so arrogant and overconfident they would win with their Gilgeous Alexander, and yet he lost to a team of Serbians who just played a better team game while not having any NBA superstars on the team. Oh and at least our team is made up of actual Serbians, while your team is just Africa relocated.
@@berryscott3590 Croatia also destroyed Canada in the World Cup for the whole world to see after the Canadian coach arrogantly said they were going to f*** Croatia up in their next game. 😆
@@berryscott3590 USA has been owning Canada at World Juniors for the past 2 decades. USA has beaten you in just about every final they have played you since 2004.
We were greatly surprised knowing the score. It didn't reflect the real strength of excellent Canada team. Anyway such games influenced greatly the development of hockey. I remember the game like it was yesterday.
Tretiak is certainly the greatest goalie to never play in the NHL. That Soviet team was a serious beast.
As a Russian, I always loved seeing the unstoppable modern hockey they brought. Additionally Vladislav revolutionized goaltending. The whole USSR system was incredibly conducive for high skill production. Which is why those skills are focused on in European hockey. 8-1 holy shit! Destroyed them😂😍
Tretiak vs. Liut...Nuf Sed
And let’s be honest here. Modern teams play a lot more like the Soviet teams than those old Canadian teams. Systemic play rules the day.
Shocked 😮
Jesus. Thanks for your take on this. Have you even played hockey?
Just proves once again. Usa winning gold was biggest upset in sports history still unbelievable to me.
Any idea of a Canadian hockey "dream team" is not valid. The Soviets were already playing at the same level. This was not like basketball where NBA stars could play against countries that barely had any NBA players at all.
How many of the Soviets world championship teams were playing against anything even remotely close to their abilities ( Soviets )?
I thought the line was Wayne Gretzky, Gilbert Perrault and Guy Lafleur.
Самое интересное то ,что кто такой Уэйн Гретцки ,мы ,советские мальчишки ,знали ,но не видели ,как он играет. После этого стал поклонником Ойлерз.
the soviets played Total Hockey...they were the greatest team ever assembled.
It just shows what feat it was for the Americans in 1980 and what a great plan Herb Brooks had.
I was in Leningrad and watched this game with a whole group of Russians at the hotel I was at. It was a major embarrassment.