Without bothering to check I think Yakushev sp? was likely CCCP's leading scorer... although I agree Kharlamov was their MOST TALENTED forward/best skater...
@@strannick2212 That reminds me of the play in game 5 when Paul Henderson was chopped down by Alexander Maltsev causing him to hit the boards head first giving him a concussion .
I remember that game. Canadian hockey would never quite be the same after that... for the better. While Canada produced the greatest hockey superstars in the world, the Larionov five was the greatest line I've ever witnessed in all of hockey. Individualism vs. collectivism playing a "team" game?... it's a no-brainer, really!! Alan Eagleson-of-a-bi***!!!
individualism vs collectivism has all sorts of dire totalitarian impiications particularly in an era of rapidly eroding human rights.. That matter aside, playing a 'team game' is pretty much a 'No brainer' if, IF you live and train together, in militaristic and Spartan fashion, 11 months a year, a la CCCP... and don't have to deal with an 80 game schedule, replete with a hectic, cross continent travel schedule, and precious little between games practice time, UNLIKE your NHL counterparts
USSR players spent a lot of time together. If you look at the lineup in this game, the first five were entirely CSKA, the second three were attacking from Spartak, all three pairs of defenders were also from the same clubs. They played during the season (although the Soviet season was short, 40-44 matches), there were a lot of national team games (world championship, numerous tournaments, long training camps). They were just very well-acted. But this did not stop the Miracle on Ice from happening in 1980.
@@classic.cameras Although I believe that the 1981 Soviet National Team was the best hockey team in the world, I always had this gut feeling that they had the chemistry and toughness to defeat the Soviets fairly consistently.
I remember this tournament well... Canadian hockey hadn't yet adjusted to the European system yet, despite the close call in '72. Liut was more proof that the big goalie struggled against the Russians (shades of Dryden in '72). And God love him, Guy was already past his prime at that point.
I have no doubt that the Soviet Team in the 1981 Canada Cup was the superior team. It was the best team in the world at the time. HOWEVER, a culmination of some events contributed to this disaster. 1. Bob Bourne didn't play due to contract disputes with the New York Islanders. 2. Bill Barber was injured 3. Mike Liut had a horrible game 4. Team Canada got robbed by Vladislav Tretiak. 5. Canada did not ice the best team that they could It should be noted that the following all-star game featured very few members from the "Dream Team" that suffered the 8-1 humiliation. This loss wasn't about Canadian hockey not adjusting to the European system. Although the Soviets were better, this game was not indicative of that fact - Canada could have won that game, but the goaltending was lopsided. Even if Canada had assembled the best team that they could, it would not be as good as this Soviet juggernaut. But a stronger Canadian team with Don Edwards in net might have won that night, but it wouldn't mean that Canada was better at that time.
@@PolytroutCanada had a decent tournament, they were undefeated the round robin and had a +19 in goals while the Soviets were +7.Canada also defeated the Soviets 7-3. The Czechs also had a strong team as they tied both Canada and the USSR .
@@PolytroutBilly Smith made the team but was injured too. He was one of the best big game players in his prime. He loved the spotlight and getting in the heads of his opponents. I could see him giving the Soviets fits if he played.
@mikemyros4142 Billy Smith would have played better than Mike Liut did that night. Who knows what would have happened had Billy Smith or Don Edwards was in net? I doubt that it would have been such a blowout. But as I said earlier, there were injuries and contract disputes affecting the roster; Canada didn't ice their best possible team. Guy Lafleur's lifestyle was catching up with him as well. Gilbert Perreault, though older than Lafleur, took better care of himself but was injured. Months before the tournament, I predicted a blowout like 6 or 7-2. But as an ignorant teenager, my reason was, "without Bob Bourne and Mike McEwen Team Canada would face an impending doom". I gloated but was po'ed that Mike McEwen wasn't even invited to the Team Canada training camp and that Bob Bourne couldn't risk it. For Cherry would have murdered me for the Mike McEwen part of that comment...
Tretiak man. Every time I can catch any old footage, the guy is always a problem for whoever is playing the USSR. Dude likely the best in the world at the time.
Canada's goaltending was poor. Also, the tournament organizers made a big mistake in making it a one game final instead of a series. Remember Canada lost the first game in 87.
The problem here was that the Soviets were a team that played together all year around. The Canadian team was not a team but an all star roster who didn't play together, except for this tournament. Canada was still the best hockey nation on Earth and developed (by far) the most players and the most elite level players. It was a deceiving score as the game was over half way through the third period and the Russians (as they were known to do) ran up the score to pad their stats. It's too bad that the NHL didn't cooperate to a higher degree so that the teams could have had more time to play together. It would have been a fascinating thing to watch Canada's best TEAM against that Red Army squad.
I'll give them that. The Soviet Style was oft times esthetically pleasing... But again, not many if any of you young whipper snappers realize that that 'Soviet style' was really invented by Lloyd Percival, a Canuck, and author of, 'The Hockey Handbook' xxx EDIT and Side Note to 'Neutralevil 1917... TH-cam Thought Police won't let me respond to your, arguably, anti-Western, Hockey-Wokesism, propaganda, so let's see if I can't respond this way... First off, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one. .. Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Actually no, that's the myth and I'm quoting "serving to privilege a Canadian ice hockey system while relegating other ‘narratives’ and ice hockey systems to that of mere receivers". I'm a gen X'er and I remember good ol' Soviets. No one played the Soviet style before the Soviets cause the Soviets themselves invented their own style. Tobias Stark and Hart Cantelon made it pretty clear in their 2019 paper
First off, this HOCKEY WOKEism CRAP smacks of Neo-Marxist and anti-Western propaganda, in keeping with the Neo-Marxist and dare I say racist, some have even alleged, 'thieving' ideologues at the helm of the BLM (Bigots Love Marxism) Movement. (Side Note: Where did the missing millions in BLM contributions go? 'Inquiring minds want to know!') Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. My young whippersnapper: If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one... Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
@@neutralevil1917 First off, your HOCKEY WOKEism smacks of anti-Western, Neo-Marxist progaganda ...Alas, I need to stop right there since my initial post was sent down the proverbial 'Memory Hole' by YouTUBE THOUGHT POLICE Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one... Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
Very informative. I remembered the stink over the Soviets trying to take the Cup home, but was unaware of the part about the replica being given to them. Thank you.
The USSR team played together all the time! It’s been proven dozens of times you just can’t throw together a bunch of great hockey players and expect to win every game! Those Soviet teams were some of the best to ever play, we as Canadian hockey fans always underestimated how great they really were!
Ahh, we did quite well against the Russians with " just throwing a team together". Olympics 2010 and 2014, Canada Cup, World Cups, Juniors. We will always have the best talent and usually, usually, we win.
Not the 1977 Montreal Canadiens. They never faced. Even when they tied, MTL outshot them 52-15. Then when he Flyers beat them 4-1, they outshot USSR 49-17. Not even close....
Loving these short documentary style videos, I especially like that you cover semi-forgotten hockey history. Makes for fun conversations with my Dad. Keep up the good work.
😆He probably smashed some objects in his house following the result. He hated the Russians with a passion, and even hated Ovechkin when he brought some emotion to the game by celebrating his incredible goals. Salty Don got what he deserved when they fired him. He was acting more unpredictable and couldn't even string sentences together without Ron having to bail him out.
This is the earliest hockey memory of mine that I can date. I was born in 1977. I remember standing in den, probably playing with a set of blocks, and seeing the Russians celebrating. "Did the Russians win?" I asked my Dad. "The Russians won this time," he said.
The Soviets had excellent discipline and conditioning-stamina. Very rigid training and practice/drills. The Canadians had more individual talent, 'farm boys playing shinny on a frozen pond', mixing it up, playing with more emotion. You can respect both. It was great hockey.
Now the NHL is organizing a 4 nation tournament set for February 2025. It only features U.S.A., Canada, Sweden and Finland. Russia is banned because of the invasion of Ukraine, but why is the Czechia team left out? In addition, some of the NHL's greatest players like Pasternak (Czechia), Kucherov, Ovechkin, Vasilevskiy, Bobrovsky, Shestyorkin, Panarin (Russia), Draisaitl (Germany) cannot play in this tournament. They are not even going to have a Team Europe. Absolutely, insane and an insult to the previous Canada Cup tournaments.
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video is the reason behind making the 1981 Canada Cup final a one game winner take all instead of best two out of three, which all the other Canada Cups had as the format for the final. There was an international series called the 1979 Challenge Cup held at Madison Square Garden in February between the NHL all-stars (who were made up almost entirely of Canadian players plus three Swedish players) and the Soviet national team. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada won the first game 4-2. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada were leading 4-2 about halfway through game 2 when the Soviet team flipped a switch scoring three goals to win 5-4. In game 3, the Soviet team completely embarrassed the NHL all-stars/Team Canada 6-0. Because of this result, it was felt that Canada would be unable to beat the Soviets twice in a best of three playoff, so they decided on the one game final in 1981. After the debacle of the 8-1 loss, it was back to the original best of three format. I even remember there being a political cartoon showing Alan Eagleson yelling at the Soviet airplane as it was leaving Canada saying, "Hey, it was best two out of three!"
I was there. The third period killed the crowd which, as mentioned, started leaving before the game was over. Then we heard a door being closed with a loud noise to which someone said it must be Alan Eagleson leaving the Forum!
Quite right... Gilbert Perreault (what a great player, I recall watching him as a kid, playing for the Montreal Jr Canadiens) was hurt and unavailable for the final
Every dog has its day. When you calculate games that were absolute best of best - Canada has dominated USSR/Russia/The artist formerly known as USSR, etc.
Absolutely. The only best-on-best (country vs. country) tournament the Russians/Soviets ever won was the 1981 Canada Cup. Meanwhile, Canada won the 1972 Summit Series, the 1976 Canada Cup, the 1984 Canada Cup, the 1987 Canada Cup, the 1991 Canada Cup, the 2002 Olympics, the 2004 World Cup of Hockey, the 2010 Olympics, the 2014 Olympics, and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.
what some of the younger viewers might not realize is that back then seeing ads on the boards only occurred in international tournaments like this, and thus seemed unusual to someone used to watching nhl hockey.
This was in late summer and the Canadiens didn’t get into shape like the Soviet players. Being an athlete I would have trained all summer, but after NHL season, they needed a break!
Great topic! Vaguely remember, but Wayne’s book reminded me of it. In 1980 I was 12 and lived in NY and witnessed the Challenge Cup wipeout And was 30 minutes away from Lake Placid during the game and we found out the US won (it was Not aired live) and outside the area no one knew who won! It was still exciting as we thought it was a fake rumor. No way in hell that would/could happen today!
The Red Army team was the best hockey team I've EVER seen... Period, End of Story. Soviets invented puck possession, the NHL will never admit that. Mike Liut was the best goalie Canada had to offer? Canada bitched and moaned for decades about not being able to field an NHL All Star Team against the USSR, while the United States TWICE won gold against them in 1960 and 1980. Just when I think that Allan Eagleson couldn't be more of an asshole, he totally redeems himself, lol!
Huh? Canada has won 9 of the 13 best on best tournaments, they beat Russia in 1972 and in 1976 Russia wasn't even good enough to reach the finals which Canada also won. Not sure what you're talking about saying Canada ws whining, you must have an overactive imagination.
87 team Canada beat your red army squad with the best EVER assembled team put together with only a few weeks to prepare and How long had red army been playing together ?? not to mention they play 11 months out of the year back then as 1 permanent roster. I agree Red army was an incredible team and played an oustanding style KLM Fed and Konst line probably the most effective. Difference here was Gretz and Mario Messier and the smaller rink and the never say die heart Canada seems to always have even down to when the the Jr's play at xmas time
Absolutely. Its the ONLY game in "town". Whenever a young boy laces up his skates, his parents have visions of NHL in their eyes. Which means that Canada will always $UCK at other team sports.
Sadly, the Canadian system never learned from these losses. The Soviet style of puck possession is a superior brand of hockey, but Canada opted to shove the dump-and-chase, park fwds in front of the net, skill-less, brute style of hockey. It was Don Cherry hockey, made simple for players with little-to-no skill. The skilled players are then saddled with trying to go end-to-end to try to make something happen. It's an easy system to shut down. This style persists to this day, making hockey a mostly dull game to watch. I'd kill to see positional puck movement in a set break-out, and chances made breaking across the opposing blue line, instead of the predictability of another dump, chase, throw the body, hope for something sloppy hockey. US College hockey is a better version of the game, so maybe the Americans will be the change the game needs moving fwd. Thanks for the video. Subbed.
The so-called 'Russian Style' was the invention of Canadian Lloyd Percival author of 'The Hockey Handbook' a book Anatoly Tarasov dubbed the father of Russian hockey called, HIS BIBLE... Tarasov had Percival's book translated into Russian and 500 copies printed up, just for starters...The REST IS HOCKEY HISTORY... a little known, though not totally forgotten history... XXX Incidentally, my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley, was invited behind the Iron Curtain to serve as a guest coach for the Soviet Nats circa the early fifties. Schooley, another Lloyd Percival disciple, was summarily shown the door, by the Soviets, after they won their first World Championship in 1954 without so much as a 'Thank-you'... All this was documented by Glenn Nott, in a Special to the Hamilton Spectator, a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe', a copy of which can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library under the name Harold Schooley; there's only one such article gathering dust in a small drawer in said library.... Schooley was in the 1953 Guiness book for the most goals ever scored in a pro hockey game EIGHT, suiting up for the Fife Flyers (EDIT: Or was it the Paisley Pirates, one or t'other was the competing team) of the British Elite League, or whatever it was called back then... People forget that UK hockey was high quality in the WW2 and Post War era, with so many transplanted Canadian Servicemen. Indeed UK actually won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936... Sure I'm biased, but Harold Schooley's overseas hockey exploits make for an interesting read, plus they deserve to be properly documented BEFORE they are lost forever to posterity PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Great info! I was aware the style originated in Canada, but was not aware of Percival. It's a shame muckers with low hockey IQs infiltrated the system and shaped the way the game grew to be played here. I try to imagine how dominant Canada would actually be IF they played the old-time hockey of 'skate, pass, shoot, score!'
As a Canadian I always felt Canada should have lost the 1972 series against the Soviets. We prefer pushing for individual talent whereas the Soviets/Russians never forget that hockey is a team sport.
With all due respect Kemosabey, you're NOT quite right... Not only what some construe as the classic NHL/Canuck Hockey Style... But also what others consider the classic CCCP style, which seems to insist on maintaining puck possession, come hell or high water, even when crossing the opponents blue line, can and has been countered quite effectively, even by comparative minnows... Case in point... Lowly Belarus did it to the Swedish Torpedo System which, like CCCP, shunned the dump and chase game back in the day, simply by standing incoming forwards up at the blue line ... And, of course, the Clarke and Shero led Broad Street Bullies made mincemeat out of Red Army, not only by roughing them up, BUT by presenting the Canadian version of the Berlin Wall, in the neutral zone, then going on fast-paced counterattacks ... THE BEST SYSTEM, Barr None, is a Hybrid classic Canadian and European/CCCP Style which Herb Brook's character, based closely on real life, replete with real hockey players in lieu of professional actors, made clear in the Movie Miracle ... Had the Swedes, for example, added a little dump and chase to their repetoire, stead of being so inflexible, NO WAY they lose to Belarus at Salt Lake City... NEWSFLASH: Soviet/Russian Hockey, moreso than any other hockey nation, has been slow to adapt... With all Russia's offensive talent, that's THE BIGGEST Reason they haven't won a true, best on best competition, since 1981... PEACE OUT
Hockey history is written by Canada. The Soviets were head and shoulders better than the Canadians back then. Most "hockey fans" haven't even heard half of these Soviet players names.
If the Soviets were BETTER, Why did they win SO FEW, Best on Best Tourneys vs Canada and the also rans, even back in the days when our best NHLers had far less team preparation time, compared with their Soviet counterparts? ... In other words... Why did Canada win 5 Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey Tourneys, compared to only one for the Russians (1981), one for the Yanks (1996), and none for the rest of the hockey world??? And why, with a more level playing field, hasn't Russia managed a single gold medal in Olympic Hockey tourneys featuring full NHL participation? Canada has Won THREE Olympic Gold Medals in tourney's featuring full NHL participation, compared to 2 for the Rest of the World... Hockey History is written by the Victors which, in Best on Best Tourneys, has MOSTLY BEEN CANADA... CASE CLOSED!
@@berryscott3590 calm down Russophobe and tell us the name of the Russian woman who dumped you. You sound like a toddler who rambles on and on about why he deserved to win on Xbox. For the record, I went to the junior game where Russia beat Canada 6-0 😀and I will never forget seeing so many shocked Canadians who looked like they were about to vomit.
@@berryscott3590 Serbia beat your Canada in basketball without Nikola Jokic while you had a whole team of NBA players. Canadians were so arrogant and overconfident they would win with their Gilgeous Alexander, and yet he lost to a team of Serbians who just played a better team game while not having any NBA superstars on the team. Oh and at least our team is made up of actual Serbians, while your team is just Africa relocated.
@@berryscott3590 Croatia also destroyed Canada in the World Cup for the whole world to see after the Canadian coach arrogantly said they were going to f*** Croatia up in their next game. 😆
@@berryscott3590 USA has been owning Canada at World Juniors for the past 2 decades. USA has beaten you in just about every final they have played you since 2004.
The Canadian team "belittled" the Russian team in the first series of international play in 1972 because their skates were a cheap brand....the Canadians quickly learned "its not the value of the skate that matters"...its the feet that are wearing them. To further disgrace themselves, Canada showed poor sportsmanship by "not shaking" the Russians hands after Canada lost the initial game in 1972. Canada has never regained its lost respect internationally since this initial disastrous display of cockiness..
Any idea of a Canadian hockey "dream team" is not valid. The Soviets were already playing at the same level. This was not like basketball where NBA stars could play against countries that barely had any NBA players at all.
uggh. I was at that game. I still have the ticket here somewhere - $18.00. We walked in pretty confident. Canada had beat the Soviets 7-3 in the round robin, and then this. Sometimes, that the way it goes. It didn't help that Liut was simply terrible. It's always an interesting discussion about putting these teams together. Without reference to anything in particular about this team, do you put together what we might call a well round NHL style team - top lines, checkers, energy line etc., or do you simply put together what amounts to an all star team. 2014 in Sochi was great. Babcock, for all his faults, was able to convince otherwise offensive players that they were going to be on other than the top line and play a solid defensive game. The win over the U.S was the most convincing 1-0 win I've ever seen. The stats line is close, but the eye test shows that Canada was confident, controlled, and smart in not wanting to get into a goal scoring derby with the U.S side.
That was the CCCP Nats, albeit with Red Army the biggest contributor... To be fair, our boys did win the first game of that Challenge Cup, 4-3... So technically 1-1 in wins and losses... Was there a third game in that series? I don't recall...
@@berryscott3590the Challenge Cup was a 3 game series the second week of February that year, games on Thursday night, Saturday afternoon and Sunday evening. The teams split the first two games 4-2 NHL in game one then 5-4 Soviets in game two. For game three both coaches switched goaltenders the Soviets replacing the great Tretiak with the unknown Vladamir Myshkin and Scotty Bowman replacing his Montreal net minder Ken Dryden with Gerry Cheevers. The Soviets stunned the North American hockey world with a 6-0 win.
@@berryscott3590 I heard later that at the conclusion of the final game the Soviet captain Boris Maikailov skated over to Bobby Clarke the NHL captain like he intended to shake hands but instead the Soviet captain put his face in front of Clarke's and went "ha, ha ,ha!!" At the end of the broadcast Mikailov was asked through an interpreter what this victory meant for Soviet hockey and in response Mikailov grinned and said "Soviet hockey number one, NHL number two".
@@jeffmccoy1700 'East is East & West is West', notes Kipling ...'The West is the BEST', cries Morrison... 'An Iron Curtain has descended over Eastern Europe', laments Churchill... We are all stuck on one side, or t' other, of the Great, 'US vs THEM' Divide... Don't give us any Detente, Let's Shake Hands, Crap... This is still, take no prisoners, kick'em when they're down, Cold War on Ice-Time ... This is Mikailov, CCCP Kapo, confronting Team Canada Hit-man, and Broad Street Bullies' Captain-Clarke... There's no mending of fences, no forgetting of the love tap that broke Kharlavov's ankle... No DEEP SYMBOLISM ICI...But Plenty of HOCKEY KARMA xxx Kharlamov (RIP) is not long for this world... CCCP's Reign of Terror (He said, waxing Metaphorically) is Coming to an End... 'I'm sick of hearing what a great team the Soviets have... Screw em... Their time is over...done... This is Our Time'... The Coming of the Sedins and the Premeditated Collapse of the Twins in NYC, Notwithstaning... xxx I'd say more, but my answer to your post has been deleted 3 times by Cerebus, the 3 headed dog from hell, at the behest of TH-cam Thought Police... Care to try for the trifecta Big Brother? Or are the 4 Horseman of the Apocalypse sufficient? Drop the Damn Puck Already... OH CANADA... BAByyyyyyyyj
When a championship or trophy has been on the line this is the LAST time the Soviets defeated Canada's best.Look it up.I don't mean round robin games or where Canada's best weren't playing.
Billy Smith should have been in the finals. I don't think this would have saved Canada but maybe the final scorer would not have been as embarrassing. Also they should have done a best of 3 finals like in the 1976 Canada Cup. A team could have one bad game and still jump back to win. I wonder what would have happened if the 1981 final was a best of 3, instead of a 1 game final.
@@basilcarroll9729 i went to 3 games at Copps Coliseum. He was at the Apex of his career and above average in that tourney. However, many players had more raw explosive speed than he did. Watch the TV tapes of the games carefully and you will notice it. Watching the games LIVE where you see the entire ice surface at all times and it is very noticeable. That said, I will conceded he was an above average performer in that tournament.
I'm not clear how you came to the conclusion that Gretzky was "not great" during elite competition. In the 1987 Canada Cup, Gretzky led the tournament with 21 points in 9 games. In the final 3 games against the Soviet Union, Gretzky dominated with 9 points, including assisting on Lemieux's series winning goal. At the conclusion of this elite tournament, Gretzky won the "Tournament MVP" award. Note also that in the 1984 Canada Cup, Gretzky led Team Canada in scoring, and was voted to the tournament all-star team. And yes, Gretzky also led Team Canada in scoring in the 1991 Canada Cup.
@feponcio i watched him play. Watch him in the '83 and '86 playoffs. In the '87 and '84 Canada Cup events he scored a total of 7 goals over 18 games. He was good but not great. He is probably the best NHL regular season player of all time.
Great Teams do indeed LOSE, on rare occasions.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the vaunted Soviet Nats/CCCP lose once to the Polish National Team (at that Eurocentric 'World Championships' no less)? And didn't CCCP's PROS lose to a bunch of Yankee Amateurs, fresh out of College, at some (wink, wink) 'Meaningless' tourney in Lake Placid NY circa 1980? I didn't know this previously, but someone mentioned that CCCP won the 1981 Canada Cup only 2 weeks after Soviet great Valery Kharlamov's untimely death... Maybe they (The Soviets) went into that winner take all game vs Canada with HEAVY HEARTS and played OUT OF THEIR MINDS?... Alas, Canada's A-Team, with the whole hockey world watching, didn't bring their A-game and packed it in, in the 3rd period which was VERY UN-CANADA-LIKE, particularly in SUCH A BIG GAME, ON HOME ICE!?! Excuses are for losers... Still someone else mentioned it was Mike Liut vs Vadislav Tretiak...My money's on Liut in a Piestany Punch-Up Scenario... But in a winner take all elimination game?... Not so much!!!
Yes and No... I watched both tourneys, either in person (I'm from the Hammer), or on TV... FYI, I'm a grandather of 2 and a great-grandpa of 2... While the 72 Summit Series was the most historically important hockey tourney, by far... Team Canada 72 was missing Orr due to injury, plus its WHA guys led by Bobby Hull (who Eagleson and the NHL brass wouldn't let participate)... Good as it was, great as its exploits were, Team Canada 72 wasn't our True A-Team... Compare that 72 roster with Team Canada 76 (Arguably, Team Canada's best ever team, ON PAPER), and it's not even close..and we could say much the same comparing 72, roster wise, to our 1987 Canada Cup Team, our 2014 Canadian Olympic Team, etcetera... Back in 72, TC's brain-trust, or lack thereof, were novices when it came to picking national teams (Less we forget, our out of shape NHLers, hockey pundits etcetera, were likewise totally confident of winning by lopsided scores going in)... Moreover, our top NHLers hadn't yet learned to set their egos aside for the good of the team... It was only with their backs to the wall, and after narrowly avoiding defeat, that Hockey Canada and company learned these crucial lessons...
@berryscott3590 In not talking about who and who was not on that Team Canada team as that is totally irrelevant to the games that were played, I'm talking about the actual games themselves and how the series played out. It was so close that during the intermission, after the second period, the Russians said they would claim victory if the score stayed tied at the end of the third period. They claimed as the records would be tied, they would win because they scored the most goals. That's how close it was and the drama the series had created. I remember watching that 3rd period full of dead that We were going to lose. When Herderson scored that winning goal, drinks and chips and anything else being consumed by everyone in our house went flying across the room as everyone threw their arms up in celebration. The feeling that the free world was safe again from communism.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Yeah I was in grade 9 in 72 ... I experienced that SUMMIT SERIES, those 27 days in September too... Recall that I called it the most historically significant hockey series, by far... xxx As for SAVING THE WORLD FROM COMMUNISM? Sure, we thought like that as naive kids.. Still, according to whistleblowers like Antony Sutton. Paul Warburg (likely working at the behest of the Rothschilds and Mirano Rockefellers) provided a fellow member of the NYC Babylonian Talmudic community , one Leon Trotsky, with 20 million in Gold bullion and safe ship's passage to St Petersburgh, to help bring about the fall of the Romanov dynasty in the days leading up to that 1917 so-called 'Russian' Revolution... Word is, Trotsky's passport was signed by none other than Woodrow Wilson who also signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act into effect... In other words, the same Occult (don;t say Judeo Masonic) Hierarchy, the same 'Hidden Hand' (whose Masonic Star of Moloch graces the US Seal, and the back of the US dollar Bill), who controls the US economy, US fiat currency & Central Banking, also helped finance & foment the so-called 'Russian Revolution'', as everyone from Winston Churchill to Henry Ford, & Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn have tacitly attested... That you didn't appreciated any of this as a kid, during the height of the Cold War, and likely still don't... suggests to me that the True, Historical Significance of a good many things have mostly flown beneath your radar... PEACE OUT
The game ended in a 3-3 tie but Montreal dominated the game with 38-13 shots. Tretiak stole the game for the Soviet Red Army Team. It’s the first game I clearly remember from my childhood. One of the best hockey games ever.
You are correct 4-2 for Montreal.They scored 3 unanswered goals for the new years eve win in 1979. The 1975 game was 3-3 as the Soviets scored 2 unanswered goals.
Looking back.. how ridiculous were the politics at the time (and how ridiculous are today?). So the Soviets went into Afghanistan to prop up a civilizing government that was advancing an agenda that the Afghans can only dream of today. Had they succeeded, there would have been no 9/11 and everything that followed from that.
Couple of points - the Soviets were not a "Cold War rival" in the way they were to Americans. So the cold war language in the video is over the top. At least in hockey, Canadians knew and respected the Soviet hockey teams. We may not have known all the names on the Russian team but we knew their superstars. I remember not being able to raise much of a bet in our office and I was betting on the Russians! The Russian teams were famous at this time for playing "rope-a-dope" in round robin games. So losing to the Canadians, who they knew they would meet in the finals was an example of the "mind games" they played. As a Habs fan, I believe Tretiak was the greatest goalie of all time and not playing him in the round robin was just a ploy.
I only read one sentence of your nonsense, and my eye's glazed over and I had to stop... Many of Team Canada's players fathers and uncles were WW2 vets, every bit as swayed by Cold War propaganda as their Yankee counterparts... Canada, a nation of ten million decades before there was an exclusively Canadian flag, back when the Canadian flag was the Union Jack, had ONE MILLION MEN at arms in WW2... Quite a number of Canadians served and died in Korea, a handful even volunteered to fight in Vietnam, for Uncle Sam, though Uncle Sam subsequently denied them veteran benefits when the fighting was done... Sad but true... I don't know you, but I know you were TOO YOUNG to remember 72... TC's players HATED their Russian counterparts, and the feelings were mutual! Make no mistake, my young whippersnapper... The 72 Summit Series WAS 'Cold War on Ice!!!!!' PEACE OUT
Ask Phil Esposito if Canada and Soviets were cold war rivals. He was ready to literally kill. watch a few documentaries on the 72 Summit Series and then come back and try to tell us that they were not a cold war rival. Your post is a total joke.
Canada played way too much Dump N Chase Hockey. Dump N Chase Hockey only works good against Sit Back and Trap Defense System North American Hockey Teams. The Soviets were not a Sit Back and Trap Defense System Playing Hockey Team.
First off, I'm an old guy and I remember the 1981 Canada Cup well (Only 38 seconds into the video BTW); , It wasn't exactly a team led by a top line of Lafleur, Gretzky and Gilbert Perreault (Surely, one of the best top lines in Team Canada history)... That was Canada's top line to begin the tourney, when Canada beat the Soviets handily 7-3 in a round robin game... Alas, Perreault got hurt and wasn't available for the gold medal final which turned into a fiasco (arguably, Canada's worst ever hockey defeat) as everyone knows ... But again, in TC's defense, things didn't begin badly... If memory serves, TC outshot team CCCP something like 12-3 in the first but couldn't beat Tretiak... Then Mike Liut turned into a sieve, the guys lost their heart, quit skating, and the Soviets poured it on... Could happen to any team, even a great team (on paper at least). Back then the Soviets, which was largely made up of their Red Army team with a few additions, played together 11 months a year, and this includes many breaks in the MUCH SHORTER, Soviet League schedule allowing their true CCCP National Team to practice together in preparation for upcoming World Championships, OGs, Canada Cups, Etcetera... Canada's A-Teams, in stark contrast, were hastily assembled... Even so, Canada's A Team won MOST of those old Canada Cups, plus has won most of the Hockey World Cups, and most of the Olympic Hockey Tourney's featuring NHLers... The Only exceptions , when it came to best on best competitions, was the 1981 Canada Cup won by the Soviets, the 1996 World Cup of Hockey won by the Yanks, Nagano OG in 1998 won by the Hasek backed Czechs, and Turin in 2006 OG won by the Swedes who, as their coach tacitly admitted, purposely lost their final round robin game to avoid facing Canada in the quarter finals... Did I miss anything?... Don't think so The most salient point is that Russia was NEVER a legit number one in Hockey imo... Case in point, as soon as there was a level playing field, as soon as the Russians had to hastily assemble their A-team (a la Canada), the Russians STOPPED winning gold medals... The best they've done was a silver in Nagano... Canada, in stark contrast, has won 3 of the last 5 Olympic Games featuring full NHL participation, PLUS the last WOrld Cup of Hockey... So basically four out of six of the most recent Best on Best Tourneys... xxx Even in the Eurocentric, so-called World Championship (coinciding with Stanley Cup Playoffs), ... which Canada is lukewarm about, which many of Canada's best available NHLers decline invites to, Canada (going all the way back to the Trail Smoke eaters , a time when it was CCCP pros verses Canadian Amateurs with day jobs), Canada has won the WC tourney something like 24 times, FAR MORE than any other nation ... Hell's bells, even with NHL cradle robbing when historically more of Europe's best juniors were available, ditto Yanks best division one college kids (Both of whom tend to enter the NHL later, compared to Canada's best Junior-A boys), it's still Canada 20 World Junior Golds, 13 for Russia... What's the next best? Without looking anything up... think Yanks and Finns have about 5 Gold... and Czechs and Swedes have about 2... That seems like Canadian DOMINATION to me... xxx One final thing Kemosabey... Anybody who says anybody other than Canada is the favorite in the upcoming 4 nations cup, or whatever it's called, IS A FOOL! Don't give me this crap about the Yanks being favorites.. Canada has the best 3 players in the tourney in McD, MacKinnon, and Makar the best up-coming teenage star in Bedard... Canada's forward and D, not team USA's, is THE BEST BAR NONE! Admittedly, Yanks goaltending is better, ON PAPER... BUT BUT BUT... You can only play one goalie at a time... Canada still has the likes of Binner, Skinner, Hill, and Montembeault to choose from... Hell's bell's, even an over the hill MAF will do in a pinch... Make no mistake... Canada will be just fine in goal... Canada wins this thing, and don't be surprised if TC goes undefeated... In a perfect world, with team Russia also participating, Canada would remain the favorite, SANS DOUBT!!! xxx PEACE OUT .
@@kenneththorberg6914 Worst ever Team Canada defeat in terms of a Best on Best tourney which, to most Canadians, are the ONLY international hockey competitions that count since bragging rights are legitimately at stake. Worse ever TC defeat since we got spanked by the hated Russians on home ice, Best on Best. For Canadians, that's UNFORGIVEABLE! 1981 was the 'Worst ever defeat' in terms of its lasting, and still painful, impact on the Canadian Hockey psyche imo... At the time, 1972 Summit Series Game 1 (CCCP 7, Canada 3) seemed like Canada's worst ever defeat... BUT these early impressions were deceiving since The Good guys, (initially out of shape and over confident) won in the end, so ALL WAS FORGIVEN... Besides 72 wasn't our A-Team (Our 1976 Canada Cup Team, by comparison, was MILES BETTER!). In 1972 Orr ('The GOAT IMO) was hurt, plus Bobby Hull and a couple more WHA guys were unfairly excluded, plus we had to deal with cheating refs like Josef Kompalla, so there were mitigating circumstances. Not that we Canucks feel the need to apologize (Bobby Clarke's slash on Kharlamov notwithstanding) for WINNING The 1972, Canada vs Russia, Summit Series. This was, after all, Cold War on Ice, and All's Fair IN LOVE (aka Hockey) & WAR! As for your original point? Sweden 9, Canada 0... Or, so you claim... YAWN xxx WTF do we Canucks care what our C and D Teams do, or don't do, overseas, at a 2nd rate, Eurocentric, so-called World Hockey Championship, a tourney our lesser players have won countless times, even with the NHL playoffs in full swing... YAWN How can it be a crushing defeat for Canada, if no one outside of a few Swedes, not even the vast majority of hockey historians, remember the game? ... YAWN Even in a great year like our unbeaten 2016 WC Team led by Crosby, this was barely a blip on the Canuck hockey radar... YAWN.... Yanks, even ardent hockey fans, don't seem to know or care WCs are even happening, much less an annual thing...YAWN. xxx Best on Best Tourneys are Big... Case in point, Yanks never let us forget their 1996 World Cup of Hockey victory (Another unforgetable crushing defeat for Canada!) World Juniors are Big (Piestany Punch-Up BIG!).... Miracle on Ice was Big, the stuff in which movies are made... WCs, again in stark contrast, irrespective of the year, are SMALL POTATOES... END-OF-STORY xxx PS, Good Luck in the upcoming 4 Nation's Face Off, Tres Kronors... YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT! .
Some of those shots would have been saved in my beer league at this point. The whole team gave up.. That's the worst part. Losing is fine if you give it your very best. They just look like they gave up.
canada dream team had no clue how to play the euro soviet style of game hold onto the puck possession style of game that nhl plays now. that was obvious the year before when soviet olympic team took the nhl all-stars apart at msg in a pre-olympic exhibition game. nhl dump and chase game didn't work against soviets. and soviet team was their own professional team despite their 'amateur' status for olympics. and habs chickened out of a series against wha avco cup champ jets because they were afraid of being embarrassed by euro style of jets with hedberg, nilsson, and co.
'Canada's dream team had no clue'... And yet Canada's A-Team somehow managed to win MOST of the match-ups verses their mostly Russian counterparts, back in the days of the Canada Cups, even with far less preparation time.... And that same trend has magically continued, with a more level playing field, in World Cup of Hockey Tourneys, and Olympic Tourney's with full NHL participation, with Canada's Best claiming 3 of the last 4, Best on Best Tourney's, compared to Russia's NONE... Hell's Bells, Russia hasn't won a single BEST ON BEST tourney since 1981... And when was the last time Russia's U20, World Junior Team won gold? Way back in 2011, wasn't it?
@@berryscott3590 say what? then why did canada lose in '81? the article is about '81 canada cup. i am referring to '80, '81 not later canada cups, olympics, world titles, or rendevous ''87. yes russia lost its huge advantage once pro playing field was level at olympics.
@@mikearchibald744then why is the article focusing on dream team being destroyed by soviets? stick to the point. ask the writer to clarify that shit for you.
Canadians won 4/5 Canada Cups because they hosted them & set the rules. Smaller ice worked in their favour. Soviets were always more skilled and innovative. Canadians were just goons. If it was called the Soviet cup and hosted in Moscow, The Red Army mops the floor with Canada.
You're taking something that has some truth to it, but exaggerating it out of proportion so that it's more false than true. The Canadians have won on international sized ice, as they did in 1972 and 2002, so that doesn't determine the result. It's true that the refereeing was biased in favour of Canada and was probably the difference in 1987, but you're claim that the Soviets were more skilled and innovative and that the Canadians were goons is entirely false. The teams were well-matched, Canada's best player, Wayne Gretzky, was significantly better than any of the Soviets.
So why, with cheating officials like Kompalla in the 72 Summit Series, did the 'oh so superior' CCCP Nats, lose 3 of 4 games on Moscow Ice, vs an INITIALLY ill prepared, out of shape, and over confidant Team Canada B-Team, missing Orr and Bobby Hull + a couple more WHA guys?
Team Canada 72 won 3 of 4 games on Moscow Ice with Josef Kompalla refereeing the most crucial, winner take all, 8th Game of the Summit Series... which Canada won... Funny, but Canada seems to win most of these, Best on Best, hockey tourneys... Be they here in North America, or overseas...
The USSR suffered greatly under Stalinism, but this 'red' version of Communism is nothing compared to the Rainbow/Green kind that we are under now in the West. Try putting together the best hockey team in the world under DEI tyranny. Thanks for the video.
Just to let this 'know-it-all' commentator know that this was the first and Only time the Russians ever won a best on best series. Seriously, this has been over 40 freaking years ago. Russkies have stunk since, cheat at every turn and always complained. Bring back the Philadelphia Flyers!!!
'Dr-Livingstone I presume' QUOTE The Soviets played for possession and control like a cohesive 5-man squad. The Red Wings Russian Five also played like that. UNQUOTE xxx >>> The so-called 'Russian Style' was the invention of Canadian Lloyd Percival author of 'The Hockey Handbook' a book Anatoly Tarasov dubbed the father of Russian hockey called, HIS BIBLE xxx Highlighted reply @neutralevil1917 QUOTE... Actually no, that's the myth and I'm quoting "serving to privilege a Canadian ice hockey system while relegating other ‘narratives’ and ice hockey systems to that of mere receivers". I'm a gen X'er and I remember good ol' Soviets. No one played the Soviet style before the Soviets cause the Soviets themselves invented their own style. Tobias Stark and Hart Cantelon made it pretty clear in their 2019 paper UNQUOTE xxx >>> First off, your 'HOCKEY WOKEism' smacks of Anti-Western propaganda imo ...Alas, I need to stop right there since my previous efforts to respond to your post were repeatedly sent down the proverbial 'Memory Hole' by YouTUBE THOUGHT POLICE Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!) Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'. Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey'). I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival... Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle... xxx I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later. If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER! Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). A copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley news article, there's only one... Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Would also make for a GREAT YouTUBE video imo (in conjunction with Lloyd Percival's little known but inestimable contributions to Soviet Hockey) and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton's Central Library, the use of a photocopier, a few Glenn Nott interviews, etcetera... xxx A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Case in Point: the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936! Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were MANY able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT! PEACE OUT
Great to hear the shout-out for Terry Fox, a Canadian hero because of his courage and passion.
I met Terry in Ajax, Ontario during his run. Hardwood Ave and HWY 2. I was 10 years old. He was and still is my only hero.
The way the soviets played this game was way ahead of its time. Never a bad thing to be humbled - you learn something.
There's more to hockey than dump and chase, slash, cross-check and fighting.
We learned from it then triumphed as we always do against emotionless athletes like them.
Although these three Canadian players didn't play that way.
Eagleson likely Melted down the Nickle & went directly to the Pawn Shop!
How dare you denigrate an 'Order of Canada' recipient (wink, wink)
Bobby Clarke wasn't there to break the ankle of Soviets leading scorer like with Canada Cup
Without bothering to check I think Yakushev sp? was likely CCCP's leading scorer... although I agree Kharlamov was their MOST TALENTED forward/best skater...
@@strannick2212 That reminds me of the play in game 5 when Paul Henderson was chopped down by Alexander Maltsev causing him to hit the boards head first giving him a concussion .
I remember that game. Canadian hockey would never quite be the same after that... for the better. While Canada produced the greatest hockey superstars in the world, the Larionov five was the greatest line I've ever witnessed in all of hockey. Individualism vs. collectivism playing a "team" game?... it's a no-brainer, really!!
Alan Eagleson-of-a-bi***!!!
The best line I ever seen had Gretzky and Lemieux.
individualism vs collectivism has all sorts of dire totalitarian impiications particularly in an era of rapidly eroding human rights..
That matter aside, playing a 'team game' is pretty much a 'No brainer' if, IF you live and train together, in militaristic and Spartan fashion, 11 months a year, a la CCCP... and don't have to deal with an 80 game schedule, replete with a hectic, cross continent travel schedule, and precious little between games practice time, UNLIKE your NHL counterparts
Biggest problem for the Canadians. They mostly ever played against each other. Where as the CCCP were an actual team.
USSR players spent a lot of time together. If you look at the lineup in this game, the first five were entirely CSKA, the second three were attacking from Spartak, all three pairs of defenders were also from the same clubs. They played during the season (although the Soviet season was short, 40-44 matches), there were a lot of national team games (world championship, numerous tournaments, long training camps). They were just very well-acted. But this did not stop the Miracle on Ice from happening in 1980.
@@classic.cameras Although I believe that the 1981 Soviet National Team was the best hockey team in the world, I always had this gut feeling that they had the chemistry and toughness to defeat the Soviets fairly consistently.
Vary bad players selection,aspsially make liut he didn't belong in the team at all.
I remember this tournament well... Canadian hockey hadn't yet adjusted to the European system yet, despite the close call in '72. Liut was more proof that the big goalie struggled against the Russians (shades of Dryden in '72). And God love him, Guy was already past his prime at that point.
I have no doubt that the Soviet Team in the 1981 Canada Cup was the superior team. It was the best team in the world at the time.
HOWEVER, a culmination of some events contributed to this disaster.
1. Bob Bourne didn't play due to contract disputes with the New York Islanders.
2. Bill Barber was injured
3. Mike Liut had a horrible game
4. Team Canada got robbed by Vladislav Tretiak.
5. Canada did not ice the best team that they could
It should be noted that the following all-star game featured very few members from the "Dream Team" that suffered the 8-1 humiliation.
This loss wasn't about Canadian hockey not adjusting to the European system. Although the Soviets were better, this game was not indicative of that fact - Canada could have won that game, but the goaltending was lopsided.
Even if Canada had assembled the best team that they could, it would not be as good as this Soviet juggernaut. But a stronger Canadian team with Don Edwards in net might have won that night, but it wouldn't mean that Canada was better at that time.
@@PolytroutCanada had a decent tournament, they were undefeated the round robin and had a +19 in goals while the Soviets were +7.Canada also defeated the Soviets 7-3. The Czechs also had a strong team as they tied both Canada and the USSR .
@@PolytroutBilly Smith made the team but was injured too. He was one of the best big game players in his prime. He loved the spotlight and getting in the heads of his opponents. I could see him giving the Soviets fits if he played.
Lafleur was 30. Connor McDavid is almost 28.
@mikemyros4142 Billy Smith would have played better than Mike Liut did that night. Who knows what would have happened had Billy Smith or Don Edwards was in net? I doubt that it would have been such a blowout. But as I said earlier, there were injuries and contract disputes affecting the roster; Canada didn't ice their best possible team. Guy Lafleur's lifestyle was catching up with him as well. Gilbert Perreault, though older than Lafleur, took better care of himself but was injured.
Months before the tournament, I predicted a blowout like 6 or 7-2. But as an ignorant teenager, my reason was, "without Bob Bourne and Mike McEwen Team Canada would face an impending doom". I gloated but was po'ed that Mike McEwen wasn't even invited to the Team Canada training camp and that Bob Bourne couldn't risk it. For Cherry would have murdered me for the Mike McEwen part of that comment...
That move on LaFluer in the 3rd was brutal!!!
Lafleur was a good sniper, but he was a one way player. I think he had to be introduced to the defensive zone.
Tretriak stoned the Canadians cold in the first period. After that it was no contest. When Tretriak was on his game they were almost unbeatable.
yyup- he was amazing - if you can't score-you can't win!
Tretiak man. Every time I can catch any old footage, the guy is always a problem for whoever is playing the USSR. Dude likely the best in the world at the time.
I remember when Larionov was in his 40's and getting 4 or 5 assists in a game
Canada's goaltending was poor. Also, the tournament organizers made a big mistake in making it a one game final instead of a series. Remember Canada lost the first game in 87.
The problem here was that the Soviets were a team that played together all year around. The Canadian team was not a team but an all star roster who didn't play together, except for this tournament. Canada was still the best hockey nation on Earth and developed (by far) the most players and the most elite level players. It was a deceiving score as the game was over half way through the third period and the Russians (as they were known to do) ran up the score to pad their stats. It's too bad that the NHL didn't cooperate to a higher degree so that the teams could have had more time to play together. It would have been a fascinating thing to watch Canada's best TEAM against that Red Army squad.
The Soviets played for possession and control like a cohesive 5-man squad. The Red Wings Russian Five also played like that.
I'll give them that. The Soviet Style was oft times esthetically pleasing... But again, not many if any of you young whipper snappers realize that that 'Soviet style' was really invented by Lloyd Percival, a Canuck, and author of, 'The Hockey Handbook'
xxx
EDIT and Side Note to 'Neutralevil 1917...
TH-cam Thought Police won't let me respond to your, arguably, anti-Western, Hockey-Wokesism, propaganda, so let's see if I can't respond this way...
First off, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye.
Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
xxx
I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one.
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Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews
xxx
A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Actually no, that's the myth and I'm quoting "serving to privilege a Canadian ice hockey system while relegating other ‘narratives’ and ice hockey systems to that of mere receivers". I'm a gen X'er and I remember good ol' Soviets. No one played the Soviet style before the Soviets cause the Soviets themselves invented their own style.
Tobias Stark and Hart Cantelon made it pretty clear in their 2019 paper
First off, this HOCKEY WOKEism CRAP smacks of Neo-Marxist and anti-Western propaganda, in keeping with the Neo-Marxist and dare I say racist, some have even alleged, 'thieving' ideologues at the helm of the BLM (Bigots Love Marxism) Movement. (Side Note: Where did the missing millions in BLM contributions go? 'Inquiring minds want to know!')
Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
xxx
I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
My young whippersnapper: If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one...
Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity...
xxx
A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
@@neutralevil1917 First off, your HOCKEY WOKEism smacks of anti-Western, Neo-Marxist progaganda ...Alas, I need to stop right there since my initial post was sent down the proverbial 'Memory Hole' by YouTUBE THOUGHT POLICE
Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye. Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
xxx
I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). Moreover, a copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley article, there's only one...
Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Heck Schooley's overseas exploits, along with the 'little known' , but indespensable contributions of Lloyd Percival to Soviet Hockey would make for a GREAT TH-cam VIDEO, especially in the lead up to and during the FOUR NATIONS FACEOFF, and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton Central LIbrary and the use of a photocopier, than maybe a few Glenn Nott, etcetera interviews
xxx
A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates. Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Indeed the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were masses numbers of able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
Very informative. I remembered the stink over the Soviets trying to take the Cup home, but was unaware of the part about the replica being given to them. Thank you.
love the Terry Fox statement thats why i subscribed
The USSR team played together all the time! It’s been proven dozens of times you just can’t throw together a bunch of great hockey players and expect to win every game! Those Soviet teams were some of the best to ever play, we as Canadian hockey fans always underestimated how great they really were!
Ahh, we did quite well against the Russians with " just throwing a team together". Olympics 2010 and 2014, Canada Cup, World Cups, Juniors. We will always have the best talent and usually, usually, we win.
But I kinda agree, The Soviets playing together for way longer does benefit them. But fuck them, we're the best.
We no longer have the best goalies though. That’s one area where Canada is sorely lacking.
Not the 1977 Montreal Canadiens. They never faced. Even when they tied, MTL outshot them 52-15. Then when he Flyers beat them 4-1, they outshot USSR 49-17. Not even close....
And the whining continues….
the loss of gilbert perrault was biggest hit for the number one line...gretz, guy and gil...his speed kept the other teams backing up
Loving these short documentary style videos, I especially like that you cover semi-forgotten hockey history. Makes for fun conversations with my Dad. Keep up the good work.
Don Cherry probably had an aneurysm coming to terms with this result.
😆He probably smashed some objects in his house following the result. He hated the Russians with a passion, and even hated Ovechkin when he brought some emotion to the game by celebrating his incredible goals.
Salty Don got what he deserved when they fired him. He was acting more unpredictable and couldn't even string sentences together without Ron having to bail him out.
@@moreblack September '81 was rough this and the Expos losing the NLCS to the Dodgers.
This is the earliest hockey memory of mine that I can date. I was born in 1977. I remember standing in den, probably playing with a set of blocks, and seeing the Russians celebrating.
"Did the Russians win?" I asked my Dad.
"The Russians won this time," he said.
Great video bud... You do good work.. Happy to be a subscriber.
Thanks!
The Soviets had excellent discipline and conditioning-stamina. Very rigid training and practice/drills. The Canadians had more individual talent, 'farm boys playing shinny on a frozen pond', mixing it up, playing with more emotion. You can respect both. It was great hockey.
Team Canada was overconfident and Liut was a sieve. In other tournaments, when the skaters were figuring it out, the goaltending stepped up.
Now the NHL is organizing a 4 nation tournament set for February 2025. It only features U.S.A., Canada, Sweden and Finland. Russia is banned because of the invasion of Ukraine, but why is the Czechia team left out? In addition, some of the NHL's greatest players like Pasternak (Czechia), Kucherov, Ovechkin, Vasilevskiy, Bobrovsky, Shestyorkin, Panarin (Russia), Draisaitl (Germany) cannot play in this tournament. They are not even going to have a Team Europe. Absolutely, insane and an insult to the previous Canada Cup tournaments.
It's a shame !
This must be one of the few rare times that Gretz didn't have his jersey tucked in. It's weird to see.
Dump N' chase .
Real great strategy
You never see the Russians dump and chase. They always carry it in.
They had the wrong Dream Line. They should have had the Hanson brothers from "Slap Shot".
The gulag jokes were wearing a bit thin, but this was very interesting and frankly more interesting than watching most hockey games now.
One thing that wasn't mentioned in the video is the reason behind making the 1981 Canada Cup final a one game winner take all instead of best two out of three, which all the other Canada Cups had as the format for the final. There was an international series called the 1979 Challenge Cup held at Madison Square Garden in February between the NHL all-stars (who were made up almost entirely of Canadian players plus three Swedish players) and the Soviet national team. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada won the first game 4-2. The NHL all-stars/Team Canada were leading 4-2 about halfway through game 2 when the Soviet team flipped a switch scoring three goals to win 5-4. In game 3, the Soviet team completely embarrassed the NHL all-stars/Team Canada 6-0. Because of this result, it was felt that Canada would be unable to beat the Soviets twice in a best of three playoff, so they decided on the one game final in 1981. After the debacle of the 8-1 loss, it was back to the original best of three format. I even remember there being a political cartoon showing Alan Eagleson yelling at the Soviet airplane as it was leaving Canada saying, "Hey, it was best two out of three!"
Ironically enough had he 87 final been a one off the Soviets would have won, as they won the first game of that series
I was there. The third period killed the crowd which, as mentioned, started leaving before the game was over. Then we heard a door being closed with a loud noise to which someone said it must be Alan Eagleson leaving the Forum!
The original line was Lafleur, Perreault, and Gretzky. I think Perreault was injured, but I could be wrong.
Quite right... Gilbert Perreault (what a great player, I recall watching him as a kid, playing for the Montreal Jr Canadiens) was hurt and unavailable for the final
Every dog has its day. When you calculate games that were absolute best of best - Canada has dominated USSR/Russia/The artist formerly known as USSR, etc.
Absolutely. The only best-on-best (country vs. country) tournament the Russians/Soviets ever won was the 1981 Canada Cup. Meanwhile, Canada won the 1972 Summit Series, the 1976 Canada Cup, the 1984 Canada Cup, the 1987 Canada Cup, the 1991 Canada Cup, the 2002 Olympics, the 2004 World Cup of Hockey, the 2010 Olympics, the 2014 Olympics, and the 2016 World Cup of Hockey.
what some of the younger viewers might not realize is that back then seeing ads on the boards only occurred in international tournaments like this, and thus seemed unusual to someone used to watching nhl hockey.
This morning I was watching The New England Whalers beat the Soviets 5-2 at The Hartford Civic Center in 1976.
That must have been one of the worst games they ever played. It looked like they were missing a lot of good players in that game.
Yes the whalers were great that night,the couldn't seem to do anything wrong.
This was in late summer and the Canadiens didn’t get into shape like the Soviet players. Being an athlete I would have trained all summer, but after NHL season, they needed a break!
Great topic! Vaguely remember, but Wayne’s book reminded me of it. In 1980 I was 12 and lived in NY and witnessed the Challenge Cup wipeout
And was 30 minutes away from Lake Placid during the game and we found out the US won (it was Not aired live) and outside the area no one knew who won! It was still exciting as we thought it was a fake rumor. No way in hell that would/could happen today!
I still think the final would have been different had Billy Smith been the starter in that game
The Red Army team was the best hockey team I've EVER seen... Period, End of Story.
Soviets invented puck possession, the NHL will never admit that.
Mike Liut was the best goalie Canada had to offer?
Canada bitched and moaned for decades about not being able to field an NHL All Star Team against the USSR,
while the United States TWICE won gold against them in 1960 and 1980.
Just when I think that Allan Eagleson couldn't be more of an asshole, he totally redeems himself, lol!
Huh? Canada has won 9 of the 13 best on best tournaments, they beat Russia in 1972 and in 1976 Russia wasn't even good enough to reach the finals which Canada also won. Not sure what you're talking about saying Canada ws whining, you must have an overactive imagination.
87 team Canada beat your red army squad with the best EVER assembled team put together with only a few weeks to prepare and How long had red army been playing together ?? not to mention they play 11 months out of the year back then as 1 permanent roster. I agree Red army was an incredible team and played an oustanding style KLM Fed and Konst line probably the most effective. Difference here was Gretz and Mario Messier and the smaller rink and the never say die heart Canada seems to always have even down to when the the Jr's play at xmas time
This game was played only 2 weeks after the greatest of all Soviet hockey greats, Valerij Charlamov, lost his life in a tragic traffic accident...
You meant Kharlamov?
@@jean-louislalonde6070 His name was always spelled Charlamov in Europe.
@@Kirneh63 OK.
@@Kirneh63 I never knew that... reminds me of 'Charlamagne the (Hockey) God!'
Canada is still the world hockey power.
Absolutely. Its the ONLY game in "town". Whenever a young boy laces up his skates, his parents have visions of NHL in their eyes. Which means that Canada will always $UCK at other team sports.
Sadly, the Canadian system never learned from these losses. The Soviet style of puck possession is a superior brand of hockey, but Canada opted to shove the dump-and-chase, park fwds in front of the net, skill-less, brute style of hockey. It was Don Cherry hockey, made simple for players with little-to-no skill. The skilled players are then saddled with trying to go end-to-end to try to make something happen. It's an easy system to shut down. This style persists to this day, making hockey a mostly dull game to watch. I'd kill to see positional puck movement in a set break-out, and chances made breaking across the opposing blue line, instead of the predictability of another dump, chase, throw the body, hope for something sloppy hockey. US College hockey is a better version of the game, so maybe the Americans will be the change the game needs moving fwd. Thanks for the video. Subbed.
The so-called 'Russian Style' was the invention of Canadian Lloyd Percival author of 'The Hockey Handbook' a book Anatoly Tarasov dubbed the father of Russian hockey called, HIS BIBLE... Tarasov had Percival's book translated into Russian and 500 copies printed up, just for starters...The REST IS HOCKEY HISTORY... a little known, though not totally forgotten history...
XXX
Incidentally, my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley, was invited behind the Iron Curtain to serve as a guest coach for the Soviet Nats circa the early fifties. Schooley, another Lloyd Percival disciple, was summarily shown the door, by the Soviets, after they won their first World Championship in 1954 without so much as a 'Thank-you'...
All this was documented by Glenn Nott, in a Special to the Hamilton Spectator, a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe', a copy of which can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library under the name Harold Schooley; there's only one such article gathering dust in a small drawer in said library.... Schooley was in the 1953 Guiness book for the most goals ever scored in a pro hockey game EIGHT, suiting up for the Fife Flyers (EDIT: Or was it the Paisley Pirates, one or t'other was the competing team) of the British Elite League, or whatever it was called back then...
People forget that UK hockey was high quality in the WW2 and Post War era, with so many transplanted Canadian Servicemen. Indeed UK actually won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936... Sure I'm biased, but Harold Schooley's overseas hockey exploits make for an interesting read, plus they deserve to be properly documented BEFORE they are lost forever to posterity
PEACE OUT
@@berryscott3590 Great info! I was aware the style originated in Canada, but was not aware of Percival. It's a shame muckers with low hockey IQs infiltrated the system and shaped the way the game grew to be played here. I try to imagine how dominant Canada would actually be IF they played the old-time hockey of 'skate, pass, shoot, score!'
As a Canadian I always felt Canada should have lost the 1972 series against the Soviets. We prefer pushing for individual talent whereas the Soviets/Russians never forget that hockey is a team sport.
@@jean-louislalonde6070 Bobby Clarke also took out their best player with a disgusting cheap shot.
With all due respect Kemosabey, you're NOT quite right...
Not only what some construe as the classic NHL/Canuck Hockey Style... But also what others consider the classic CCCP style, which seems to insist on maintaining puck possession, come hell or high water, even when crossing the opponents blue line, can and has been countered quite effectively, even by comparative minnows... Case in point... Lowly Belarus did it to the Swedish Torpedo System which, like CCCP, shunned the dump and chase game back in the day, simply by standing incoming forwards up at the blue line ... And, of course, the Clarke and Shero led Broad Street Bullies made mincemeat out of Red Army, not only by roughing them up, BUT by presenting the Canadian version of the Berlin Wall, in the neutral zone, then going on fast-paced counterattacks ...
THE BEST SYSTEM, Barr None, is a Hybrid classic Canadian and European/CCCP Style which Herb Brook's character, based closely on real life, replete with real hockey players in lieu of professional actors, made clear in the Movie Miracle ... Had the Swedes, for example, added a little dump and chase to their repetoire, stead of being so inflexible, NO WAY they lose to Belarus at Salt Lake City...
NEWSFLASH: Soviet/Russian Hockey, moreso than any other hockey nation, has been slow to adapt... With all Russia's offensive talent, that's THE BIGGEST Reason they haven't won a true, best on best competition, since 1981...
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Now for a palette cleanser let's hear about that '76 Flyers-Red Army game.
The worst game i ever saw...
Hockey history is written by Canada. The Soviets were head and shoulders better than the Canadians back then. Most "hockey fans" haven't even heard half of these Soviet players names.
If the Soviets were BETTER, Why did they win SO FEW, Best on Best Tourneys vs Canada and the also rans, even back in the days when our best NHLers had far less team preparation time, compared with their Soviet counterparts? ... In other words... Why did Canada win 5 Canada Cup/World Cup of Hockey Tourneys, compared to only one for the Russians (1981), one for the Yanks (1996), and none for the rest of the hockey world??? And why, with a more level playing field, hasn't Russia managed a single gold medal in Olympic Hockey tourneys featuring full NHL participation?
Canada has Won THREE Olympic Gold Medals in tourney's featuring full NHL participation, compared to 2 for the Rest of the World...
Hockey History is written by the Victors which, in Best on Best Tourneys, has MOSTLY BEEN CANADA... CASE CLOSED!
@@berryscott3590 calm down Russophobe and tell us the name of the Russian woman who dumped you. You sound like a toddler who rambles on and on about why he deserved to win on Xbox.
For the record, I went to the junior game where Russia beat Canada 6-0 😀and I will never forget seeing so many shocked Canadians who looked like they were about to vomit.
@@berryscott3590 Serbia beat your Canada in basketball without Nikola Jokic while you had a whole team of NBA players. Canadians were so arrogant and overconfident they would win with their Gilgeous Alexander, and yet he lost to a team of Serbians who just played a better team game while not having any NBA superstars on the team. Oh and at least our team is made up of actual Serbians, while your team is just Africa relocated.
@@berryscott3590 Croatia also destroyed Canada in the World Cup for the whole world to see after the Canadian coach arrogantly said they were going to f*** Croatia up in their next game. 😆
@@berryscott3590 USA has been owning Canada at World Juniors for the past 2 decades. USA has beaten you in just about every final they have played you since 2004.
The better team won Canada 🇨🇦 was to cocky that's what happens but the changed in the 1984 Canada 🇨🇦 Cup.
The Canadian team "belittled" the Russian team in the first series of international play in 1972 because their skates were a cheap brand....the Canadians quickly learned "its not the value of the skate that matters"...its the feet that are wearing them. To further disgrace themselves, Canada showed poor sportsmanship by "not shaking" the Russians hands after Canada lost the initial game in 1972. Canada has never regained its lost respect internationally since this initial disastrous display of cockiness..
Great video!
Tretiak vs. Liut...Nuf Sed
That is a beautiful thumbnail
Yes, it's still extraordinary that an American university team, children, was able to beat this same team at the 1980 Olympics
Like the Canadians in this video, the Soviets are afflicted with Overconfidence every now and then.
Any idea of a Canadian hockey "dream team" is not valid. The Soviets were already playing at the same level. This was not like basketball where NBA stars could play against countries that barely had any NBA players at all.
uggh. I was at that game. I still have the ticket here somewhere - $18.00. We walked in pretty confident. Canada had beat the Soviets 7-3 in the round robin, and then this.
Sometimes, that the way it goes. It didn't help that Liut was simply terrible.
It's always an interesting discussion about putting these teams together. Without reference to anything in particular about this team, do you put together what we might call a well round NHL style team - top lines, checkers, energy line etc., or do you simply put together what amounts to an all star team.
2014 in Sochi was great. Babcock, for all his faults, was able to convince otherwise offensive players that they were going to be on other than the top line and play a solid defensive game. The win over the U.S was the most convincing 1-0 win I've ever seen. The stats line is close, but the eye test shows that Canada was confident, controlled, and smart in not wanting to get into a goal scoring derby with the U.S side.
where the heck is Canada pride today?
Sold around the world, never protected at home.
What happened to this country????? Trudeau happened.
I was at the challenge cup series game in 1979 at Madison Square Garden where the Soviet Red Army team shut out the NHL All-Stars 6-0.
That was the CCCP Nats, albeit with Red Army the biggest contributor... To be fair, our boys did win the first game of that Challenge Cup, 4-3... So technically 1-1 in wins and losses... Was there a third game in that series? I don't recall...
@@berryscott3590the Challenge Cup was a 3 game series the second week of February that year, games on Thursday night, Saturday afternoon and Sunday evening. The teams split the first two games 4-2 NHL in game one then 5-4 Soviets in game two.
For game three both coaches switched goaltenders the Soviets replacing the great Tretiak with the unknown Vladamir Myshkin and Scotty Bowman replacing his Montreal net minder Ken Dryden with Gerry Cheevers. The Soviets stunned the North American hockey world with a 6-0 win.
@@berryscott3590 I heard later that at the conclusion of the final game the Soviet captain Boris Maikailov skated over to Bobby Clarke the NHL captain like he intended to shake hands but instead the Soviet captain put his face in front of Clarke's and went "ha, ha ,ha!!"
At the end of the broadcast Mikailov was asked through an interpreter what this victory meant for Soviet hockey and in response Mikailov grinned and said "Soviet hockey number one, NHL number two".
@@jeffmccoy1700 'East is East & West is West', notes Kipling ...'The West is the BEST', cries Morrison... 'An Iron Curtain has descended over Eastern Europe', laments Churchill...
We are all stuck on one side, or t' other, of the Great, 'US vs THEM' Divide... Don't give us any Detente, Let's Shake Hands, Crap... This is still, take no prisoners, kick'em when they're down, Cold War on Ice-Time ...
This is Mikailov, CCCP Kapo, confronting Team Canada Hit-man, and Broad Street Bullies' Captain-Clarke...
There's no mending of fences, no forgetting of the love tap that broke Kharlavov's ankle... No DEEP SYMBOLISM ICI...But Plenty of HOCKEY KARMA
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Kharlamov (RIP) is not long for this world... CCCP's Reign of Terror (He said, waxing Metaphorically) is Coming to an End...
'I'm sick of hearing what a great team the Soviets have... Screw em... Their time is over...done... This is Our Time'... The Coming of the Sedins and the Premeditated Collapse of the Twins in NYC, Notwithstaning...
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I'd say more, but my answer to your post has been deleted 3 times by Cerebus, the 3 headed dog from hell, at the behest of TH-cam Thought Police...
Care to try for the trifecta Big Brother? Or are the 4 Horseman of the Apocalypse sufficient?
Drop the Damn Puck Already...
OH CANADA... BAByyyyyyyyj
When a championship or trophy has been on the line this is the LAST time the Soviets defeated Canada's best.Look it up.I don't mean round robin games or where Canada's best weren't playing.
Very bad game of Mike Liut, that's all...
An otherwise excellent summary of the 81 series ruined by childish editorial comments
Beat by the other great super power in Hockey and arguably one of the greatest goalies in history.
No shame Canada
Billy Smith should have been in the finals. I don't think this would have saved Canada but maybe the final scorer would not have been as embarrassing. Also they should have done a best of 3 finals like in the 1976 Canada Cup. A team could have one bad game and still jump back to win. I wonder what would have happened if the 1981 final was a best of 3, instead of a 1 game final.
No point living for what ifs. We had a chance and we lost. No point trying to find scenarios where we "might" have won... We didn't.
Russia has alot of great hocky players !.
Isn't there a neat old term that was used to describe someone that gave something to someone else, only to ask for it back later? 🤣
Love that later Scotty Bohmen recruited the Famous Russian 5 to win 2 cups with Detroit!!!
Gretzky was a great NHL regular season player. He was not great during elite competition in the Stanley Cup late rounds and against the Soviet Union.
You did not watch the 87 Canada Cup.
I think you've been misinformed. Quite the opposite.
@@basilcarroll9729 i went to 3 games at Copps Coliseum. He was at the Apex of his career and above average in that tourney. However, many players had more raw explosive speed than he did. Watch the TV tapes of the games carefully and you will notice it. Watching the games LIVE where you see the entire ice surface at all times and it is very noticeable. That said, I will conceded he was an above average performer in that tournament.
I'm not clear how you came to the conclusion that Gretzky was "not great" during elite competition.
In the 1987 Canada Cup, Gretzky led the tournament with 21 points in 9 games. In the final 3 games against the Soviet Union, Gretzky dominated with 9 points, including assisting on Lemieux's series winning goal. At the conclusion of this elite tournament, Gretzky won the "Tournament MVP" award.
Note also that in the 1984 Canada Cup, Gretzky led Team Canada in scoring, and was voted to the tournament all-star team.
And yes, Gretzky also led Team Canada in scoring in the 1991 Canada Cup.
@feponcio i watched him play. Watch him in the '83 and '86 playoffs. In the '87 and '84 Canada Cup events he scored a total of 7 goals over 18 games. He was good but not great.
He is probably the best NHL regular season player of all time.
All great teams lay an egg …
Great Teams do indeed LOSE, on rare occasions..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the vaunted Soviet Nats/CCCP lose once to the Polish National Team (at that Eurocentric 'World Championships' no less)? And didn't CCCP's PROS lose to a bunch of Yankee Amateurs, fresh out of College, at some (wink, wink) 'Meaningless' tourney in Lake Placid NY circa 1980?
I didn't know this previously, but someone mentioned that CCCP won the 1981 Canada Cup only 2 weeks after Soviet great Valery Kharlamov's untimely death... Maybe they (The Soviets) went into that winner take all game vs Canada with HEAVY HEARTS and played OUT OF THEIR MINDS?... Alas, Canada's A-Team, with the whole hockey world watching, didn't bring their A-game and packed it in, in the 3rd period which was VERY UN-CANADA-LIKE, particularly in SUCH A BIG GAME, ON HOME ICE!?!
Excuses are for losers... Still someone else mentioned it was Mike Liut vs Vadislav Tretiak...My money's on Liut in a Piestany Punch-Up Scenario... But in a winner take all elimination game?... Not so much!!!
Yup , Poland and US amateurs, shocking. They would usually beat these teams by 5+
The 87 Canada cup was not the greatest international tournament ever held. That was the 72 series that led to all that came after it.
Yes and No... I watched both tourneys, either in person (I'm from the Hammer), or on TV... FYI, I'm a grandather of 2 and a great-grandpa of 2... While the 72 Summit Series was the most historically important hockey tourney, by far... Team Canada 72 was missing Orr due to injury, plus its WHA guys led by Bobby Hull (who Eagleson and the NHL brass wouldn't let participate)... Good as it was, great as its exploits were, Team Canada 72 wasn't our True A-Team... Compare that 72 roster with Team Canada 76 (Arguably, Team Canada's best ever team, ON PAPER), and it's not even close..and we could say much the same comparing 72, roster wise, to our 1987 Canada Cup Team, our 2014 Canadian Olympic Team, etcetera...
Back in 72, TC's brain-trust, or lack thereof, were novices when it came to picking national teams (Less we forget, our out of shape NHLers, hockey pundits etcetera, were likewise totally confident of winning by lopsided scores going in)... Moreover, our top NHLers hadn't yet learned to set their egos aside for the good of the team... It was only with their backs to the wall, and after narrowly avoiding defeat, that Hockey Canada and company learned these crucial lessons...
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@berryscott3590 In not talking about who and who was not on that Team Canada team as that is totally irrelevant to the games that were played, I'm talking about the actual games themselves and how the series played out. It was so close that during the intermission, after the second period, the Russians said they would claim victory if the score stayed tied at the end of the third period. They claimed as the records would be tied, they would win because they scored the most goals. That's how close it was and the drama the series had created. I remember watching that 3rd period full of dead that We were going to lose.
When Herderson scored that winning goal, drinks and chips and anything else being consumed by everyone in our house went flying across the room as everyone threw their arms up in celebration. The feeling that the free world was safe again from communism.
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 Yeah I was in grade 9 in 72 ... I experienced that SUMMIT SERIES, those 27 days in September too... Recall that I called it the most historically significant hockey series, by far...
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As for SAVING THE WORLD FROM COMMUNISM? Sure, we thought like that as naive kids..
Still, according to whistleblowers like Antony Sutton. Paul Warburg (likely working at the behest of the Rothschilds and Mirano Rockefellers) provided a fellow member of the NYC Babylonian Talmudic community , one Leon Trotsky, with 20 million in Gold bullion and safe ship's passage to St Petersburgh, to help bring about the fall of the Romanov dynasty in the days leading up to that 1917 so-called 'Russian' Revolution...
Word is, Trotsky's passport was signed by none other than Woodrow Wilson who also signed the 1913 Federal Reserve Act into effect...
In other words, the same Occult (don;t say Judeo Masonic) Hierarchy, the same 'Hidden Hand' (whose Masonic Star of Moloch graces the US Seal, and the back of the US dollar Bill), who controls the US economy, US fiat currency & Central Banking, also helped finance & foment the so-called 'Russian Revolution'', as everyone from Winston Churchill to Henry Ford, & Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn have tacitly attested...
That you didn't appreciated any of this as a kid, during the height of the Cold War, and likely still don't... suggests to me that the True, Historical Significance of a good many things have mostly flown beneath your radar...
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The hockey was much better in 87 but the 72 series will never be topped.
I went for a long walk after that game lol
The goalies on Canada were not the Best they had, not even close
With the possible recent exception of Carey Price, they still aren't.
@@Tiglath-PileserXIX yeah, they went from the best to avg then Roy then avg again. Speaking of goalies , what drugs is Hellybuck on?
what is up with the blue pants in 87?
Sponsored by the Toronto Maple Leafs... LOL
Go ahead. Re-traumatize me. 🍁😏
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Montreal 4 Red Army 2 , December 31, 1979
No! From memory, the final score of that classic New Years Eve Game, at the Montreal Forum, was 3-3, and the year was more like 1975, was it not?
3-3
The game ended in a 3-3 tie but Montreal dominated the game with 38-13 shots. Tretiak stole the game for the Soviet Red Army Team. It’s the first game I clearly remember from my childhood. One of the best hockey games ever.
@@stevensmith5160 Kharlamov scored the tying goal if memory serves...
You are correct 4-2 for Montreal.They scored 3 unanswered goals for the new years eve win in 1979. The 1975 game was 3-3 as the Soviets scored 2 unanswered goals.
Looking back.. how ridiculous were the politics at the time (and how ridiculous are today?). So the Soviets went into Afghanistan to prop up a civilizing government that was advancing an agenda that the Afghans can only dream of today. Had they succeeded, there would have been no 9/11 and everything that followed from that.
Couple of points - the Soviets were not a "Cold War rival" in the way they were to Americans. So the cold war language in the video is over the top. At least in hockey, Canadians knew and respected the Soviet hockey teams. We may not have known all the names on the Russian team but we knew their superstars. I remember not being able to raise much of a bet in our office and I was betting on the Russians!
The Russian teams were famous at this time for playing "rope-a-dope" in round robin games. So losing to the Canadians, who they knew they would meet in the finals was an example of the "mind games" they played. As a Habs fan, I believe Tretiak was the greatest goalie of all time and not playing him in the round robin was just a ploy.
I only read one sentence of your nonsense, and my eye's glazed over and I had to stop... Many of Team Canada's players fathers and uncles were WW2 vets, every bit as swayed by Cold War propaganda as their Yankee counterparts... Canada, a nation of ten million decades before there was an exclusively Canadian flag, back when the Canadian flag was the Union Jack, had ONE MILLION MEN at arms in WW2... Quite a number of Canadians served and died in Korea, a handful even volunteered to fight in Vietnam, for Uncle Sam, though Uncle Sam subsequently denied them veteran benefits when the fighting was done... Sad but true...
I don't know you, but I know you were TOO YOUNG to remember 72... TC's players HATED their Russian counterparts, and the feelings were mutual!
Make no mistake, my young whippersnapper... The 72 Summit Series WAS 'Cold War on Ice!!!!!'
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Ask Phil Esposito if Canada and Soviets were cold war rivals. He was ready to literally kill. watch a few documentaries on the 72 Summit Series and then come back and try to tell us that they were not a cold war rival. Your post is a total joke.
Canada played way too much Dump N Chase Hockey. Dump N Chase Hockey only works good against Sit Back and Trap Defense System North American Hockey Teams. The Soviets were not a Sit Back and Trap Defense System Playing Hockey Team.
If Canada's best played together as a team ALL THE TIME like the Soviets did the Soviets would never win a game!
First off, I'm an old guy and I remember the 1981 Canada Cup well (Only 38 seconds into the video BTW); , It wasn't exactly a team led by a top line of Lafleur, Gretzky and Gilbert Perreault (Surely, one of the best top lines in Team Canada history)... That was Canada's top line to begin the tourney, when Canada beat the Soviets handily 7-3 in a round robin game... Alas, Perreault got hurt and wasn't available for the gold medal final which turned into a fiasco (arguably, Canada's worst ever hockey defeat) as everyone knows ...
But again, in TC's defense, things didn't begin badly... If memory serves, TC outshot team CCCP something like 12-3 in the first but couldn't beat Tretiak... Then Mike Liut turned into a sieve, the guys lost their heart, quit skating, and the Soviets poured it on... Could happen to any team, even a great team (on paper at least).
Back then the Soviets, which was largely made up of their Red Army team with a few additions, played together 11 months a year, and this includes many breaks in the MUCH SHORTER, Soviet League schedule allowing their true CCCP National Team to practice together in preparation for upcoming World Championships, OGs, Canada Cups, Etcetera... Canada's A-Teams, in stark contrast, were hastily assembled... Even so, Canada's A Team won MOST of those old Canada Cups, plus has won most of the Hockey World Cups, and most of the Olympic Hockey Tourney's featuring NHLers... The Only exceptions , when it came to best on best competitions, was the 1981 Canada Cup won by the Soviets, the 1996 World Cup of Hockey won by the Yanks, Nagano OG in 1998 won by the Hasek backed Czechs, and Turin in 2006 OG won by the Swedes who, as their coach tacitly admitted, purposely lost their final round robin game to avoid facing Canada in the quarter finals... Did I miss anything?... Don't think so
The most salient point is that Russia was NEVER a legit number one in Hockey imo... Case in point, as soon as there was a level playing field, as soon as the Russians had to hastily assemble their A-team (a la Canada), the Russians STOPPED winning gold medals... The best they've done was a silver in Nagano... Canada, in stark contrast, has won 3 of the last 5 Olympic Games featuring full NHL participation, PLUS the last WOrld Cup of Hockey... So basically four out of six of the most recent Best on Best Tourneys...
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Even in the Eurocentric, so-called World Championship (coinciding with Stanley Cup Playoffs), ... which Canada is lukewarm about, which many of Canada's best available NHLers decline invites to, Canada (going all the way back to the Trail Smoke eaters , a time when it was CCCP pros verses Canadian Amateurs with day jobs), Canada has won the WC tourney something like 24 times, FAR MORE than any other nation ...
Hell's bells, even with NHL cradle robbing when historically more of Europe's best juniors were available, ditto Yanks best division one college kids (Both of whom tend to enter the NHL later, compared to Canada's best Junior-A boys), it's still Canada 20 World Junior Golds, 13 for Russia... What's the next best? Without looking anything up... think Yanks and Finns have about 5 Gold... and Czechs and Swedes have about 2... That seems like Canadian DOMINATION to me...
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One final thing Kemosabey... Anybody who says anybody other than Canada is the favorite in the upcoming 4 nations cup, or whatever it's called, IS A FOOL! Don't give me this crap about the Yanks being favorites.. Canada has the best 3 players in the tourney in McD, MacKinnon, and Makar the best up-coming teenage star in Bedard... Canada's forward and D, not team USA's, is THE BEST BAR NONE!
Admittedly, Yanks goaltending is better, ON PAPER... BUT BUT BUT... You can only play one goalie at a time... Canada still has the likes of Binner, Skinner, Hill, and Montembeault to choose from... Hell's bell's, even an over the hill MAF will do in a pinch...
Make no mistake... Canada will be just fine in goal... Canada wins this thing, and don't be surprised if TC goes undefeated... In a perfect world, with team Russia also participating, Canada would remain the favorite, SANS DOUBT!!!
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Canadas worst ever defeat took place some years later , actually in the worlds 1987 when Sweden beat them 9-0.
@@kenneththorberg6914 Worst ever Team Canada defeat in terms of a Best on Best tourney which, to most Canadians, are the ONLY international hockey competitions that count since bragging rights are legitimately at stake.
Worse ever TC defeat since we got spanked by the hated Russians on home ice, Best on Best. For Canadians, that's UNFORGIVEABLE! 1981 was the 'Worst ever defeat' in terms of its lasting, and still painful, impact on the Canadian Hockey psyche imo...
At the time, 1972 Summit Series Game 1 (CCCP 7, Canada 3) seemed like Canada's worst ever defeat... BUT these early impressions were deceiving since The Good guys, (initially out of shape and over confident) won in the end, so ALL WAS FORGIVEN...
Besides 72 wasn't our A-Team (Our 1976 Canada Cup Team, by comparison, was MILES BETTER!). In 1972 Orr ('The GOAT IMO) was hurt, plus Bobby Hull and a couple more WHA guys were unfairly excluded, plus we had to deal with cheating refs like Josef Kompalla, so there were mitigating circumstances.
Not that we Canucks feel the need to apologize (Bobby Clarke's slash on Kharlamov notwithstanding) for WINNING The 1972, Canada vs Russia, Summit Series. This was, after all, Cold War on Ice, and All's Fair IN LOVE (aka Hockey) & WAR!
As for your original point? Sweden 9, Canada 0... Or, so you claim... YAWN
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WTF do we Canucks care what our C and D Teams do, or don't do, overseas, at a 2nd rate, Eurocentric, so-called World Hockey Championship, a tourney our lesser players have won countless times, even with the NHL playoffs in full swing... YAWN
How can it be a crushing defeat for Canada, if no one outside of a few Swedes, not even the vast majority of hockey historians, remember the game? ... YAWN
Even in a great year like our unbeaten 2016 WC Team led by Crosby, this was barely a blip on the Canuck hockey radar... YAWN....
Yanks, even ardent hockey fans, don't seem to know or care WCs are even happening, much less an annual thing...YAWN.
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Best on Best Tourneys are Big... Case in point, Yanks never let us forget their 1996 World Cup of Hockey victory (Another unforgetable crushing defeat for Canada!)
World Juniors are Big (Piestany Punch-Up BIG!).... Miracle on Ice was Big, the stuff in which movies are made... WCs, again in stark contrast, irrespective of the year, are SMALL POTATOES...
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PS, Good Luck in the upcoming 4 Nation's Face Off, Tres Kronors... YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT!
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What are you whining about? Canada hardly loses these tournaments. They win most of the time.
It is Fe-Tea-Sov. Further, Liut sucked as a goalie.
Liut was crap.
Some of those shots would have been saved in my beer league at this point. The whole team gave up.. That's the worst part. Losing is fine if you give it your very best. They just look like they gave up.
canada dream team had no clue how to play the euro soviet style of game hold onto the puck possession style of game that nhl plays now. that was obvious the year before when soviet olympic team took the nhl all-stars apart at msg in a pre-olympic exhibition game. nhl dump and chase game didn't work against soviets. and soviet team was their own professional team despite their 'amateur' status for olympics. and habs chickened out of a series against wha avco cup champ jets because they were afraid of being embarrassed by euro style of jets with hedberg, nilsson, and co.
'Canada's dream team had no clue'... And yet Canada's A-Team somehow managed to win MOST of the match-ups verses their mostly Russian counterparts, back in the days of the Canada Cups, even with far less preparation time.... And that same trend has magically continued, with a more level playing field, in World Cup of Hockey Tourneys, and Olympic Tourney's with full NHL participation, with Canada's Best claiming 3 of the last 4, Best on Best Tourney's, compared to Russia's NONE...
Hell's Bells, Russia hasn't won a single BEST ON BEST tourney since 1981... And when was the last time Russia's U20, World Junior Team won gold? Way back in 2011, wasn't it?
@@berryscott3590 say what? then why did canada lose in '81? the article is about '81 canada cup. i am referring to '80, '81 not later canada cups, olympics, world titles, or rendevous ''87. yes russia lost its huge advantage once pro playing field was level at olympics.
Was it that different when they had previously just beaten them 7-3?
@@mikearchibald744then why is the article focusing on dream team being destroyed by soviets? stick to the point. ask the writer to clarify that shit for you.
@@stevenbauer4799 You made the comment, not him.
Trudeau happened to this country. and it been downhill since
Well you had me until your bullshit passport comment.
Canadians won 4/5 Canada Cups because they hosted them & set the rules. Smaller ice worked in their favour. Soviets were always more skilled and innovative. Canadians were just goons. If it was called the Soviet cup and hosted in Moscow, The Red Army mops the floor with Canada.
You're taking something that has some truth to it, but exaggerating it out of proportion so that it's more false than true. The Canadians have won on international sized ice, as they did in 1972 and 2002, so that doesn't determine the result. It's true that the refereeing was biased in favour of Canada and was probably the difference in 1987, but you're claim that the Soviets were more skilled and innovative and that the Canadians were goons is entirely false. The teams were well-matched, Canada's best player, Wayne Gretzky, was significantly better than any of the Soviets.
Yea... as if the Soviets weren't also goons hahaha
Never heard of anyone calling Gretzky, Bossy, Goring, Trottier, Lafleur, Dionne..... goons...
So why, with cheating officials like Kompalla in the 72 Summit Series, did the 'oh so superior' CCCP Nats, lose 3 of 4 games on Moscow Ice, vs an INITIALLY ill prepared, out of shape, and over confidant Team Canada B-Team, missing Orr and Bobby Hull + a couple more WHA guys?
Team Canada 72 won 3 of 4 games on Moscow Ice with Josef Kompalla refereeing the most crucial, winner take all, 8th Game of the Summit Series... which Canada won... Funny, but Canada seems to win most of these, Best on Best, hockey tourneys... Be they here in North America, or overseas...
Different schools,no one is the best,it's generatinal,now every body playing North American style, pure rubbish.
The USSR suffered greatly under Stalinism, but this 'red' version of Communism is nothing compared to the Rainbow/Green kind that we are under now in the West. Try putting together the best hockey team in the world under DEI tyranny. Thanks for the video.
What does the story of the trophy have to do with the "deep dive" into the game?? Plus.. no criticism of Liut? He was awful...
FINAL SCORE : CCCP HYBRIDS 8 - CANADA HYBRIDS 1
Just to let this 'know-it-all' commentator know that this was the first and Only time the Russians ever won a best on best series. Seriously, this has been over 40 freaking years ago. Russkies have stunk since, cheat at every turn and always complained. Bring back the Philadelphia Flyers!!!
'Dr-Livingstone I presume' QUOTE The Soviets played for possession and control like a cohesive 5-man squad. The Red Wings Russian Five also played like that. UNQUOTE
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>>> The so-called 'Russian Style' was the invention of Canadian Lloyd Percival author of 'The Hockey Handbook' a book Anatoly Tarasov dubbed the father of Russian hockey called, HIS BIBLE
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@neutralevil1917 QUOTE... Actually no, that's the myth and I'm quoting "serving to privilege a Canadian ice hockey system while relegating other ‘narratives’ and ice hockey systems to that of mere receivers". I'm a gen X'er and I remember good ol' Soviets. No one played the Soviet style before the Soviets cause the Soviets themselves invented their own style.
Tobias Stark and Hart Cantelon made it pretty clear in their 2019 paper UNQUOTE
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>>> First off, your 'HOCKEY WOKEism' smacks of Anti-Western propaganda imo ...Alas, I need to stop right there since my previous efforts to respond to your post were repeatedly sent down the proverbial 'Memory Hole' by YouTUBE THOUGHT POLICE
Secondly, the PROOF is there in BLACK AND WHITE', that many, neigh virtually all, of the ostensibly 'uniquely Soviet' hockey training methods, along with the so-called 'Soviet puck possession style', everything from wingers crossing, to circling back with the puck when an attack doesn't look promising, to maintaining puck possession while entering the opposition zone, was being preached by CANADIAN Lloyd Percival, author of 'The Hockey Handbook', many years BEFORE so-called 'Soviet Hockey' was even a twinkle in the so-called 'Father of 'Soviet Hockey' Anatoly Tarasov's eye.
Hell's bell's, even the exercise employed by goalies of bouncing tennis balls off a wall to improve hand/eye coordination, allegedly first recommended by Tarasov to Tretiak (likewise employed by Jimmy Craig's character in the movie, 'MIRACE'), was in fact an exercise first recommended, years earlier, by Percival to Terry Sawchuk (He of the, if memory serves, 103 career NHL shutouts!)
Newsflash: It's been widely acknowledged that Tarasov (again 'Father of Soviet Hockey') had Percival's 'Hockey Handbook' translated into Russia, that he had 500 copies printed up, and that he called Percival's book his 'BIBLE!'.
Tarasov thought so much of Percival that he actually traveled to Canada to see him, when Percival was on his death bed, writing a glowing, handwritten, personal note of thanks, acknowledging the debt he (Tarasov, along with 'Soviet Hockey') owed Percival on the inside cover of one of Percival's books (Percival also wrote the book, 'How to Play Better Hockey').
I had these conversations with another poster in a different thread, not some nobody but a clearly, very knowledgeable hockey-guy who claimed to know coach Herb Brooks personally, who said (I'm paraphrasing) that he knew the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style actually originated in Canada, but that he hadn't previously known that it was the brainchild of one Lloyd Percival...
Although I couldn't tell you the author, I recall at least one news story, appearing in a major Canadian newspaper, during, or just prior, to the Canada-Russia Summit Series, likewise documenting that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style really originated in Canada, NOT that this was 'NEWS' to some in my inner circle...
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I mentioned, again in another thread, that my mother's cousin, one Harold Schooley (Side Note: Schooley was himself a Lloyd Percival Disciple!), was invited by the Russians behind the iron Curtain, back in the early fifties, to serve as a guest coach for the CCCP Nats, and that he (Schooley) was summarily shown the door after they (the Soviet Nats) won their first World Championship in 1954, without so much as a 'Thank-you', something he (Schooley, who's no longer with us), a man I had personal conversations with, was still bitter about decades later.
If (I repeat IF) you want to know the truth, it's not like you can't go to a library and pick up a copy of Lloyd Percival's 'Hockey Handbook', and see for yourself that the so-called 'Soviet' puck possession style was being preached by Canadian Lloyd Percival YEARS EARLIER!
Incidentally, Harold Schooley's International Hockey exploits were likewise documented by one Glenn Knott sp? in a full page article entitled 'The Wizard of Europe' which first appeared in the Hamilton Spectator back in the early 80s (again if memory serves). A copy of 'The Wizard of Europe' can still be found in the Special Collection's department of Hamilton's Central Library, just ask the library attendant for the Harold Schooley news article, there's only one...
Sure I'm biased but 'The Wizard of Europe', by Glenn Nott, is a fantastic read, plus a potential gold mine of info for the aspiring Hockey Historian and SORELY NEEDS to be properly documented BEFORE it is LOST FOREVER to posterity... Would also make for a GREAT YouTUBE video imo (in conjunction with Lloyd Percival's little known but inestimable contributions to Soviet Hockey) and all it would take is a quick trip to Hamilton's Central Library, the use of a photocopier, a few Glenn Nott interviews, etcetera...
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A Couple of final Side Notes: Harold Schooley's name also appeared in the Guiness Book of World Records, back in the early fifties, for the most goals ever scored in a professional hockey game EIGHT, which happened in a British Elite League (or whatever it was called back then?) game between Fife Flyers and Paisley Pirates.
Less some forget, UK pro hockey was actually high caliber in the years preceding and immediately following World War 2, what with SO-MANY Transplanted Canadians Servicemen overseas at the time. Case in Point: the UK, led by Canadian dual nats, won Olympic Gold in Hockey in 1936!
Canada, a nation of 10 million back then, had ONE MILLION men at arms in WW2! So yeah, to say that there were MANY able bodied and hockey playing Canucks serving overseas circa the wars years is a MASSIVE UNDERSTATEMENT!
PEACE OUT
I was at the challenge cup series game in 1979 at Madison Square Garden where the Soviet Red Army team shut out the NHL All-Stars 6-0.