Episode 5 - Hozan Spoke Threader and Ordering Spokes - Wheelbuilding Mini Series
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- This video is all about the Hozan spoke threader. You might ask yourself, why have this video out here in the first place. Well, if you want to to take it to the next level and cut and thread your own spokes to customize your spoke length or get the length as accurate as you possibly can.....Well this is the video for you! I started down the Hozan spoke threader road because I was building a ton of wheels and was tired of paying premium prices for cut and threaded spokes at the manufacturer. So I started buying them in bulk at one size, then I cut and thread them. Saves some cash in the long run and time overall. Hopefully if you're thinking of purchasing this product you will find this video useful in using it and setting it up! Thanks!
Good video. Some engineering trivia. It only takes 3 threads of engagement of a nut to develop the full tensile strength of the bolt. Bicycle spokes/nipples are a little different due to typically the spoke is steel and the nipple is brass.
Thanks for the info Mike! I'm always learning and always will. Didn't really put that together though, that usually bolt threads are the same material, where in bicycle spokes that's not the case. Which in turn might sweetening a different tensile strength. Definitely something to think about.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww... thank you very much for this video! is the BEST ONE out there so far that i have watched! i am trying to do this myself. do you have any other social media that i could ask you some questions about this please? i would really apreciate your help if possible! thank you in advance ;)
I do. My Instagram is mtb_spoked. If be happy to answer any questions you might have. Thanks!
Thanks for this video ,I have been looking for this tool for a long time , do they have more expensive models ? Since I will be using this alot , or are the heads available separately? Thank you Alfred NYC / PR.
There are other models, but this specific item is the only one. And yes, you can buy the die separately in different sizes.
Great demo, mate.
Thanks much appreciated!
Great vid!!
Thanks a million!!!
Good ...bro....
When rolling spikes, should you keep the nipple and spoke from the same manufacturer? I just cannot get a smooth roll. Where would be a good place to start adjustment wise on the roller?
Hi Joel, I personally use the same nipples and spokes from the same manufacturers most of the time. But, I don't think you have to. By adjusting the nut on the die you should be able to adjust the thread depth. This could potentially give you a better and cleaner twist on the nipple. Sometimes I like to twist a nipple on after every spoke a roll just to set in the thread. This allows me to easily build when ready. Hopefully that answers your question. But, remember this is a manual forging process that is going to have some grit. Make sure your oiling the die head regularly as well.
@@spokedmtb9265 I am still not getting a smooth roll on my spokes. The best I have gotten is half way on. The further back the adjusting nut from the cutters the tighter the it will be?
i only need to cut about 2mm and 4mm from the spokes i have respectively. the ammount i need to trim is still in the threaded portion of the spoke. Is it acceptable to use the hozan tool on already threaded spokes or will this cause an issue?
I've used the threader on already threaded spokes and didn't have an issue. In fact I think it's easier.
Why not use the proper size wrenches instead of caveman tools that butcher an expensive die. A little lubricant on the spindle will go a long way to quiet the squeaks and prevent ware.
Good point! Evolution is a great thing.
Regular lube for spindle, and cutting oil for the die???
(Haven’t *yet* had a chance to use the Ho-Zan, but hope to use it within a few months.)
Question: how hard is it to *add* a few threads to an already threaded spoke?
I have a small squeeze bottle filled with Mobil 1 5w30 that I use in my cars. It works fine as an all purpose lubricant for the this tool. Since this tool doesn't cut threads like a normal die I don't think cutting oil would be more beneficial than motor oil.
Hozan spoke threader tool. How much ??
I can't recall. You can find them online. Maybe $165...
Can you thread stainless steel and butted spokes?
I believe so, however butted spokes may need a larger die head. The one I have is a 14g.
when I thread and get some deep threads, it wont go into the nipple and gets stuck, any ideas?
So, I'd say you might want to try and file the end of the spoke a little more and try rerolling. Something is hanging up the nipples for sure and it could be the tiniest piece of shard.
I had the same issue. I wrote to Hozan for help and they said that the Hozan cutting tools are specific for Japanese spoke gauge standards which are just a little smaller than the US and Europe.
A 14 gauge spoke is 1.97 mm in JIS. A 14 gauge DT Swiss spoke is 2.01 - 2.02 mm.
It's still doable but the error margin in setting up the rollers is much tighter and you might have issues with certain spoke/nipple combinations.
They recommended Hoshi spokes.
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Good, but not worth buying that tool, imagine how much work we have to put just to make couple of Spokes, good tool but not useful for complete wheel building. Instead we can keep many different length spokes for easy work.
Agreed. Although, I'm not a high volume builder nor have space or income to support keeping multiple sizes on hand. If money was no object I'd buy a Phil wood machine which would cut down my time by a lot. But, yes to your point I would not recommend this for volume builders.
This is a great tool as a hobby wheel builder. I volunteer at a shop that gets a fair amount of wrecked wheels. I tear them down and salvage the hubs so the shop can resell them as used hubs. If the spokes are of decent quality I'll harvest them for my own use. I've got a good collection of spokes to cut and thread for no cost.
Which one is the phil machine?
No, you've missed a lot of good technique. Can't be bothered to list it all, but you should WATCH some other videos to see how it is done properly !
Thanks for the constructive feedback!