It would be nice to have a node connecting Tranquillity with Grove Guardians and Cultivation. That way we could have more flexibility in our builds. For example, if Efflorescence was not good in a patch, you could just skip it while currently you kinda have to take it.
As a hpal main I don’t understand them. They could balance the spec around the holy power spender for the tier set for example and have 3 playstyles: ac/lightsmith, normalwings/herald and caster/herald that would all benefit from the buff; the talentree would need some tuning but it would not be so bad.. ofcourse the 3 playstyles cant be viable in every form of highest content but that’s not what we need anyways.
Voidweaver disc wise, it’s widely a disliked change. Removing rapture was totally pointless and we’re now slamming smite even more during ramp due to no train of thought (also weaker collapsing void due to less penance into rift). The CDR on fiend won’t affect raid *too much* but all these changes will still be likely a nerf which is crazy as disc isn’t great atm. I just don’t understand what went through their mind with all this
Most important changes to preservation are the changes to augmentation. They have to reduce the 27% participation of aug in 12+ in order to increase the
@@olawfhjorth9985 its always had the range issue, the only time pres has been fine in m+ is when it was so brokenly op (50% better than the next healer) that you could ignore the fact that range existed at all, EVEN THEN rdruid and hpal were still being played.
@@fiedermanngergely4962 the only boring experience is fucking frame-clicker simulator on rdruid, and maybe resto sham chain heal spam. Disc is really cool, its rewarding if you know the mechanics and ramp properly, other classes just heal bars up when ppl took dmg, that what boring is. removing rupture sucks tho, disc does not have any "panic buttons" already, but maybe they balance something properly and we wont need it. Im waiting to check new disc out
Longtime RDruid and MW main. I kind of just roll with the punches, patch to patch and expansion to expansion. That said, I’m cautiously optimistic for 11.1!
Holy Priest, Mistweaver Monk and resto druid looking to be solid for season 2. I think there will be a bit more healer diversity in raids at least, and in all key levels up to the very highest i can see an increase in diversity. But for the top of the top keys it will probably still be healer with the most external DRs and pala tank that also has externals.
Finally after SL and DF and WW Season 1 Holy Priest gets a rework. Lets hope before it goes live that they make adjustments to the end of the talent tree because you need 1-2 more talent points to get talents you need/want (since some talents are mandatory and needs to be picked). Also I would wish that Blizz would stick to their words, on other classes they remove ability multiplicators to make the base spell stronger and on Holy Priest you have so many buffs/ conditions to consider to make spells like poh strong... and some spells like renew are still too weak.
Played a lot of Holy Priest in SL when 9.1.5 came out, played it through whole season 2,3 and 4. With these changes, I'm excited to see how it plays, and hopefully it will be good in Season 2.
The biggest problem i had with my Pres evoker in Season 1 war within was definitly Verdant Embrace, this ability is core to the spec but in raiding i almost always had to use it on myself because when trying to save other people with this it would just drag me through tons of mechanics sometimes resulting in death and really when killing mythic bosses there is NO TIME to position perfectly before using a healing ability because then someone is dead. The range limitation is OK because renewing blaze is relatively short cooldown so staying in danger zones in order to heal was not a huge problem due being to heal all damage taken back. In mythic+ it was rough in some dungeons to play my pres evoker because of the serious lack of instant cast big heals, sometimes while channeling spirit bloom to max to heal the group someone would die before the channel hit max, so i found myself playing wierdly to have everyone stay alive. I much rather play Mistweaver monk in mythic+ than Pres evoker.
As a pvper, I noticed this problem with verdent embrace in +0 dungeons. In pvp you press verdent off CD on an alli. In pve you just end up on top of a floor aoe, dead
If i may, simply echo the guy u want to heal and then verdant embrace yourself There are combo made in this way that rappresent the highest raw Hps u can obtain from all the healer of the season
Shaman is sad after these notes tbh. They need to bring back chain harvest to get me excited again. As a shaman enthusiast. I feel like we were fairly balanced between the two hero talents. But not it’s pretty sad.
They have to have an intern or a monkey trying to design / balance holy paladin. How you can continue to fumble every change and tuning pass since S2 of DF has been a sight to behold. Changes to make casting without IoL feel better. Cool, why? I do not want to cast. This is not Amirdrassil. Let alone, Holy Light takes a million years to cast, costs a billion mana.. I just.. I can’t man. Modern damage patterns do not support Holy Light being used without Hand of Divinity, or Divine Favor. The person gets topped or dies by the time you’re done without these modifiers otherwise. Please for the love of all that is holy, buff shock, buff spenders, revert the virtue and shock mana nerfs from a few weeks ago. Cus why did they do that? That just widened the gap between Lightsmith and Herald even more, Herald is dead except on like… idk Rashanan? Kyveza maybe? Now Blessed Assurance, and Hammer and Anvil are being nerfed so AC is getting nerfed by what 7 or 8% overall? Avenging Crusader is whatever but having no agency over where your healing goes is ass. Idk man. Hpala is cooked. I forgot to mention, we lose even more spot healing power when we lose our s1 tier set, bruh.. dooming hard. At least the s2 4p looks interesting and potentially could be fun.
I am so excited that finally fluid form work with skull bash. Btw they should add again moonkin form and give us solar beam, for make the magic damage attractive!
at the moment I'm just waiting to see what happens, priest sounds exciting... at the moment I like playing my paladin the most, monk and holy priest are fun too, but much less... I can't do anything with druid and evoker at the moment. shaman was my main at the start of the season, but I quickly lost interest in him and am now playing my paladin again. he's been my main since day one and will probably always be... but I'm also testing the monk and priest as an alt
This is the only thing they keep hitting in retail. It's a brain-dead idea. Now they're not only changing entire new parts, but they're completely transforming patches with each patch. They constantly push the game into chaos. Just when I get used to something and start to like it, a new patch comes and completely destroys everything. I understand if they improve something weak, but why ruin something that's good? If they only improve the bad things, the good ones would remain good and the bad ones would become good. This mindless changing with each patch is brutally irritating and nauseating. They've seriously reached a point with our team where we don't farm anything anymore. We play for 2-3 months, then everyone goes offline for months. This is looks for me only thay have a big chaos in Blizz and they directly want to destroy and demoralised everything. I didn’t log back at since 4 weeks ago cause my all team member went to offline and they sad they just com back end of March only for few weeks bot waisting the time
Maining Rdruid. I hoping but not too much druid will feel great next patch! I feel so weak sometimes in dungeons when alot of dmg is going out. Love the content!
Excited to see how the Hpriest changes turn out. In pvp it lacks significant CDS for teammates. In gamemmodes like solo shuffle, dampening (stacking healing reduction) stacks very fast, on top of this you're almost always facing an enemy dps with a mortal strike effect. This makes our heals do a lot less, and causes us to have to spam heal so much more. Its to the point where even in full 639 pvp gear, im still running out of mana in matches. It doesnt help that every other enemy healer you face (mostly disc and hpal) has very many CDS for teammates. Somehow disc even has pvp mana reduction talents... While hpriest doesn't. Hpriest has the worst mana in game and suffers heavily from spec design. Buffing our direct healing is nice, but it means nothing if you have no mana
i was going to start lightsmith next season since ive been stated for herald next season, but i guess that wont be happening. As far as herald i think making AW a 1.5 sec CD or decreasing Awakening stack to 10 or 12 would really smooth out the spec. feels bad when awakening procs and adds are dead or a boss is flying away and you dont even know if youre going to use the proc when you need it or your stuck holding on to dps because you want to wait for a heavier healing moment so you do less dps and generate less HP. i have a lot of fun playing it but the 2 min can feel rough in keys and raid. i would love to align every other AW with AM without having to micro manage blessings on me or a party member. I love how eternal flame takes away the choice of light of dawn majority of the time if timed with holy prism correctly.
Please tell them to fix Resto Shaman! These changes they are making, especially with the S2 Tier set powers, are not great. That insurance stuff is crap!!! You only get the benefit if your target is lower than 40%. How often is my party lower than 40%?!!!!!!
I would like to see HPal play like MW. Make the melee spells be maintenance heals(like fist weaving) and then when you need burst the hard casting comes in(like MW does with soothing mist>vivify heals). 1minute wings for holy would be a healing cd that just flat buffs all healing or big buffs CS, Judge, SotR, and HoW. Random thoughts: The mana cost on WoG/LoD is dumb for all 3 specs. Bring back the hot component on LoD and have it interact with something similar to glimmer playstyle. Maybe remove Holy Light introduce a Flash Concentration(priest Lego from shadowlands) style talent that lets you build flash of light into a holy light. Reduces keybindings and gives a gameplay loop for caster pally. No one actively likes consecration for any pally spec. Rework it to be a minor cd, like an extremely nerfed Ashen Hallow. Every 20- 40 seconds get a big burst heal and dps zone going for 8 seconds. Can’t sit in it forever but Allows choice when you need it or want to sit and survive.
Ive been saying this since launch, holy priest had too many AoE options and with Halo having a hero talent centered around it, the power budget of these spells (PoH, CoH, PoM, Halo, Holy Nova, Salvation, Sanctify, Hymn, Divine Word (lol)) was spread too thin so many of them felt like garbage to use. Removing CoH helps a ton, reduces clutter and bloat. I am excited to see how it feels to play in the next patch but I do hope they change the talent tree up a bit, since we are forced into Lightweaver it becomes difficult to get other capstones. I am also curious about their plans for "renew" builds cuz they removed 2 talents that apply renew onto people, nerfed oracle renew duration, and then added in a renew talent capstone that is frankly out of reach and not worth taking. Renew heals for literally nothing, so centering around that doesnt seem like a good idea. and it would take 2-3 talent points to buff it up but we arent even sure if the 60% buff talent works on free renews from Benediction since it says cast. I'd be fine with renew remaining weak since it activates Renewed Faith but they would have to buff Benediction to 40% cuz currently Renew is so insignificant to the spec. They also buffed Holy Mending but that shit heals for 30k a proc on a CONDITIONAL heal so buffing it by 1000% and then making Benediction 40% would make it feel actually worth while.
It seems like they want you to kind of use it like a hot that you should keep refreshed on your tank. I use renew currently a lot in mythic + even though meta wise you’re not supposed to touch that button.
dragonflight I played resto Druid War within I play resto shaman. I am thinking of going back to resto Druid, there is something about druid that holds my heart
the main thing that keeps me from healing as priest was button bloat. so im glad to see this. but also its weird to see a complete rework in a patch and not an expac
I feel like priest hasn't had a button bloat issue in long, long time. I'm only playing one build for holy right now, but it feels like one of the most simple priest builds in ages. I have several unbound keys and a few bound keys that rarely get used. Resto shaman has more buttons, but you can easily bind totems to the numberpad if you have a 15 button mouse. The only class I have a button bloat issue on rn is blood DK.
With an MMO mouse I bind keys 3 and 6 to be mouse button 4 and mb5, then I have the other 10 number pad keys on my mouse, plus shift for 20 total, 5 mouse buttons +shift versions and ctrl if I really need it, thats 35 buttons on my mouse. I find the 11 key and ctrl-mb4/5 too awkward to press so 31 really, but thats a lot. There's also tab, f, g, r, and t keys avilable if needed.
It turns out that we now have two bad herotalent. We are going to lose the tier set that strengthened our spenders and holy shock that were no longer good. Buffaram holy light a 2s spell, a spell that no one casts, because in addition to costing a million mana by the time you finish casting the person has already died, not to mention that you are melee. To complete the icing on the cake, our new tier set has its effect with the lowest spell power base compared to other healers.⚰️RIP Hpal
I was not happy with the spec tree. Some of the specific % changes to the abilities or talents ex. Lightweaver not being on a choice node with Lightwell is still good. I don't like the direction of the rework. I think they should keep CoH situationally and have refocused on a couple of decent PoH line of talents around the renew build. I can't see taking empowered renew with the 12 sec CD when you can PoM, and renew w/o CD, but we will see what sticks.
Who would pair ascendance and AG, that's so extra. I loved using it with healing tide as another big cd, I wish they reworked it at last so it didn't feel like such a nerf.
guess you can be exited for preservation evoker - if you take into account the changes to augmentation - what maybe-mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybeeeeee opens up a bit - and gives preservation a chance
@@Aurora_262most likely they’re talking about M+. Holy is SO bad in M+ (coming from a 3250 healer player). You can obviously do medium keys on it and some people are making it work but disc is just miles better. And if you pug playing off meta can be pretty demoralizing
I feel like holy pala design peaked in season 3 of shadowlands. Necrolord hammer with the free light of dawns and old light of the martyr was insanely fun
Cancelled wow sub this month, just tired of how awful the balance has been for so long.. why is it so hard just to nerf hpali and disco it’s so boring how easy they have it compared to other classes
seeing the holy paladin changes i instantly canceled my world of warcraft subscription. its a pure nerf shitshow and seeing mistweaver i just think: "its not good enough". cant enjoy this.
idk they are reworking gift for MW. REVIVAL NEEDS more brain power put into it... no to mentions something anything as far as utility for raids and mythic+. give us a lust revive or PI even a better buff... shoot even a lock rock or closet ability.... something that makes people want to bring a MW specifically to raid or m+
I’m so happy that they are streamlining Resto Shaman and making it less button bloated. I always need to remove active talents due to lack of space. It makes me very excited and I hope they remove even more key bindings.
Just play what you like who cares about tier lists, this type of thing is for the 1% who want to push the end game content. You can run 10s with all these healers if you know how to play the class.I have every healer and play most of them in an 8 key no problem
I remember from classic when holy paladin was a true caster based on big heal for tanks with holy light and some small heal through flash heal and holy shock. I hate when blizzard change the whole design of a healer. It's currently the same state with resto druid. We can play it range or melee, but melee is better, and in a near futur melee will be the only choice. They did it for hpal and hmonk, rdruid is the next one.
It could use some quality of life. Healing rain for farseer is the most obvious spell that needs a redesign/big change. Right now it feels like it has zero impact, yet you're still expected to keep it up every ~15 seconds? It feels terrible - a spell like that might as well be removed from the game. I feel like Unleash life should be off the GCD if it's going to do negligible healing, or it needs to have more impact itself. Totemic seems okay, though I personally just dislike it for how bad the single target healing seems, and obviously the mana issues are really silly when no other healer cares remotely as much about mana.
I like this direction they are taking with disc, discipline was becoming literally a pet class, with the right tuning, I really hope they get rid of the mindbender stuff
The holy paladin changes are dog sh*t. Those are 100% hard casting nerfs , not buffs. Unless they are going to make holy lights spell cast 1.2 seconds and introduce holy radiance vack into the line up they just nerfed hard casting by a lot again for no reason. Dawn of light build is already trash by out put numbers and Lightsmith is only strong because of a single spell . Literally no skill in light smith just cast shield and their is 20-25% of all your healing in one spell that only helps one player so often. At this point if they don't want you to hard cast as a paladin, why not delete holy light and flash of light since they are useless. I know Paladin is currently tuned ultra lazy high end players that want their weak auras and macros to play the game for them so why not make holy shock also heal those around the healed player within 15 yards. The aoe heal from holy shock would be at 20 or 30% of the holy shock heal and then add a real aoe heal to the paladin. Like shield of the righteous actually shields everyone in the party for x amount and you can uae it every 20 seconds. That way it lines up between the the becon of virtue aoe window and the lightsmith cooldowns. It's getting old that blizzard only caters to the one percent of players.
@ what ? What exactly looks solid apart from 25% void blast ? You’re losing 5 atonement’s at 4 sec extra duration from loss of rapture ramp , no Train of Thought -Less IT> also weaker Collapsing void ,also 20% nerf on rift ,no CDR on fiend or UP ,it’s pretty bad
the Holy Pally trees are such garbage they need a rework on those and i dont my the melee build and i dont mind the caster but the problem now is that they need to pick one and work on that because the talents are all over the place you have to take some cast and some melee and its just make for a difficult time picking talents so they really need to get it together and what every way they see pallys going they need to pick a side and go with it in the end so they dont have to keep doing this back and forth BS
@@Gunderstank So you want the spec to be balanced around doing Trivial content that you outgear & around players who just straight up ignore mechanics to play a particular way.... jesus christ
@@nickmoro1908I can guarantee you are in the vast minority. I just don't see how it could work, imagine being forced to continuously plant and hard cast on bosses like last boss COT where you have to constantly move. Have most of your healing power tied to a slow hard cast would feel awful. I think for that play style to work Blizzard would seriously have to revisit current encounter designs which they simply aren't going to do anytime soon
Literally every other healer (except for Monk) is in the classic caster / HoT placer magician archetype. In Monk and Holy Paladin we have a warrior style melee combat & instant casting healer that is super interesting and original across the board of all MMO's probably and yet they constantly try to diverge Paladins from that gameplay. I'm really baffled at this and so very unmotivated to play in S2 of War Within tbh.
Same. Glimmer hpala was great. Sadly there has been a big outcry by people who don't even play hpala to basically make it holy priest 2.0, and now those people shut up yet the spec's viability, fun and popularity is lower 🙂 Amazing, isnt it?
@@havtor007what about anything here is suggesting a spam 1 button spec? Hpala has had an identity crisis ever since the rework in DF. Casting? Where you ignored spending hopo, literally one of the most core gameplay things about hpala in amirdrassil. Yeah real good for the spec. war within launch where herald was strong and was fun? No thanks. Avenging crusader spam judge for healing that you have no agency over. In fact I’d argue this boogeyman of hurdur press only 1 button?!?!?! Is more true now with AC then it has ever been. The changes enticing us toward casting again is so baffling dumb, what is the point of holy power if spenders are perpetually ass and feel like ass to press. Holy shock needs god too. The spec is all over the place and casting is NOT IT. Buff our spenders, buff holy shock, make the rotational spells hpala presses fun to press and feel good to press. When I play ret my crit wogs heal more than my holy wogs ever will which feels terrible. If you want to cast fine whatever holy light still takes a million years to cast and costs a billion mana, and these changes are all about casting when you don’t have IoL???? Like what???? You obvs are dumb if you think the spec is fine.
The wording of the resto druid tier set is atrocious. The more I read it the more confused I become. I get the "gist", but otherwise yea, the wording doesn't make much sense.
Ok so you should go back to classic because youre absolutely wrong. Shaman and preservation evo are top 2 and the rest are terrible, disc priets is maybe ok, the rest cant keep up. youre not very high rated to be making these decisions and informing the community wrongly
Understand the concern for pres range limitations, but I don’t see it that much different than being forced into melee as mistweaver for uptime on heals. I think it’s actually a fun dynamic of the class, and I think it’s reeeeally not as big an issue as a LOT of people make it out to be, pugging can be tricky but pres shines SO bright if you can look past it. Especially in a mostly melee group, pres not only PUMPS heals but also dps! I think people sleep on this spec so much cause it SEEMS daunting but it’s really not too bad to work around. I think people just prefer safer options (yawn ;) )
As a Resto shaman main i have loved this Season, been playing totemic in raid and farseer in M+ pusling toward the 6th boss on mythic, and +13 Keys. (Im a casual player, so no hate) Shaman dont need any changes at all, but if I could request anything it would be a talent that made some sort of absorb shield for the squeesy dps getting hit by unavoidable Damage.
@@gohomeheroit takes 100% of your agency of where your healing goes out and make it all about fitting as many judgments as possible in with as many BA buffed CSs. It’s painfully boring and painfully easy to play. A monkey could play AC.
In the same way Mw and Disc heals. I dont see an issue eith AC, considefing LS means you should be playing around and maximizing armaments uptime as well.. Either way, its getting nerfed.
What changes would *you* like to see next? 🤔
It would be nice to have a node connecting Tranquillity with Grove Guardians and Cultivation. That way we could have more flexibility in our builds. For example, if Efflorescence was not good in a patch, you could just skip it while currently you kinda have to take it.
As a hpal main I don’t understand them.
They could balance the spec around the holy power spender for the tier set for example and have 3 playstyles: ac/lightsmith, normalwings/herald and caster/herald that would all benefit from the buff; the talentree would need some tuning but it would not be so bad.. ofcourse the 3 playstyles cant be viable in every form of highest content but that’s not what we need anyways.
Voidweaver disc wise, it’s widely a disliked change.
Removing rapture was totally pointless and we’re now slamming smite even more during ramp due to no train of thought (also weaker collapsing void due to less penance into rift). The CDR on fiend won’t affect raid *too much* but all these changes will still be likely a nerf which is crazy as disc isn’t great atm. I just don’t understand what went through their mind with all this
Disc has been meta for a while now.
@ in keys yeah. Not in raid. I’m talking strictly about raid where it’s not great at the moment and these changes nerf it for both m+ and raid
RDruid is the master of overhealing in PUGS. Constantly putting out hots atm to not fall behind.
HAHAH no absolutely not, r druid is terrible
you can put 35 hots on them if you want, if they take one shoot, they just die. In PUGS it's every f..... days
why can't Blizz buff holy shock , wog ??? :(
For Rsham, it would be fun if they put chain harvest in the old pwave node instead of that new talent.
But new talent is much better. Sure - harvest sounds nice but if pwave works well and now it is quicker and simpler to do same
@@TheHeheonil True true and since they made wavespeaker's blessing better, I can see the vision.
Most important changes to preservation are the changes to augmentation. They have to reduce the 27% participation of aug in 12+ in order to increase the
True but i'm afraid of range limitation of preservation on dungeon such as workshop, designed before evoker release and where people are very spread
the issue with preservation in m+, is why do 5 times the work when you can play another healer for the same IF NOT BETTER outcome
I agree 30yrds is too little. 35 would be interesting to test. Last boss in mists has been a nightmare.
When there has been no range issues I feel preservation has been very strong and not that difficult tbh.
@@olawfhjorth9985 its always had the range issue, the only time pres has been fine in m+ is when it was so brokenly op (50% better than the next healer) that you could ignore the fact that range existed at all, EVEN THEN rdruid and hpal were still being played.
I think mistweaver will be meta next patch the only issues i have on them atm is boss healing.
I play disc priest and removing rapture will cripple us in m+
im sick of playing it. its too broken
I hope so. Playing disc is just insane. Boring af.
@@fiedermanngergely4962 how is it boring?
@@fiedermanngergely4962 the only boring experience is fucking frame-clicker simulator on rdruid, and maybe resto sham chain heal spam. Disc is really cool, its rewarding if you know the mechanics and ramp properly, other classes just heal bars up when ppl took dmg, that what boring is.
removing rupture sucks tho, disc does not have any "panic buttons" already, but maybe they balance something properly and we wont need it. Im waiting to check new disc out
Longtime RDruid and MW main. I kind of just roll with the punches, patch to patch and expansion to expansion. That said, I’m cautiously optimistic for 11.1!
Holy Priest, Mistweaver Monk and resto druid looking to be solid for season 2. I think there will be a bit more healer diversity in raids at least, and in all key levels up to the very highest i can see an increase in diversity. But for the top of the top keys it will probably still be healer with the most external DRs and pala tank that also has externals.
Finally after SL and DF and WW Season 1 Holy Priest gets a rework. Lets hope before it goes live that they make adjustments to the end of the talent tree because you need 1-2 more talent points to get talents you need/want (since some talents are mandatory and needs to be picked). Also I would wish that Blizz would stick to their words, on other classes they remove ability multiplicators to make the base spell stronger and on Holy Priest you have so many buffs/ conditions to consider to make spells like poh strong... and some spells like renew are still too weak.
Played a lot of Holy Priest in SL when 9.1.5 came out, played it through whole season 2,3 and 4. With these changes, I'm excited to see how it plays, and hopefully it will be good in Season 2.
I hope so too. Just leveled my 6th holy priest to level 80🤙🏼🕊️
preoccupied on all ends :'D oh Im so gonna used that next time I spend a week on the throne, ur a gem :D
The biggest problem i had with my Pres evoker in Season 1 war within was definitly Verdant Embrace, this ability is core to the spec but in raiding i almost always had to use it on myself because when trying to save other people with this it would just drag me through tons of mechanics sometimes resulting in death and really when killing mythic bosses there is NO TIME to position perfectly before using a healing ability because then someone is dead. The range limitation is OK because renewing blaze is relatively short cooldown so staying in danger zones in order to heal was not a huge problem due being to heal all damage taken back.
In mythic+ it was rough in some dungeons to play my pres evoker because of the serious lack of instant cast big heals, sometimes while channeling spirit bloom to max to heal the group someone would die before the channel hit max, so i found myself playing wierdly to have everyone stay alive. I much rather play Mistweaver monk in mythic+ than Pres evoker.
As a pvper, I noticed this problem with verdent embrace in +0 dungeons. In pvp you press verdent off CD on an alli. In pve you just end up on top of a floor aoe, dead
If i may, simply echo the guy u want to heal and then verdant embrace yourself
There are combo made in this way that rappresent the highest raw Hps u can obtain from all the healer of the season
Shaman is sad after these notes tbh. They need to bring back chain harvest to get me excited again. As a shaman enthusiast. I feel like we were fairly balanced between the two hero talents. But not it’s pretty sad.
They have to have an intern or a monkey trying to design / balance holy paladin. How you can continue to fumble every change and tuning pass since S2 of DF has been a sight to behold.
Changes to make casting without IoL feel better. Cool, why? I do not want to cast. This is not Amirdrassil. Let alone, Holy Light takes a million years to cast, costs a billion mana.. I just.. I can’t man. Modern damage patterns do not support Holy Light being used without Hand of Divinity, or Divine Favor. The person gets topped or dies by the time you’re done without these modifiers otherwise.
Please for the love of all that is holy, buff shock, buff spenders, revert the virtue and shock mana nerfs from a few weeks ago. Cus why did they do that? That just widened the gap between Lightsmith and Herald even more, Herald is dead except on like… idk Rashanan? Kyveza maybe?
Now Blessed Assurance, and Hammer and Anvil are being nerfed so AC is getting nerfed by what 7 or 8% overall? Avenging Crusader is whatever but having no agency over where your healing goes is ass.
Idk man. Hpala is cooked.
I forgot to mention, we lose even more spot healing power when we lose our s1 tier set, bruh.. dooming hard. At least the s2 4p looks interesting and potentially could be fun.
They remembered we holy priests exist!
what do u mean its tier S in raids already. We have perfect m+ spec and its disc. I'll take hpriest buffs tho
Holy Priest Hype
I'll ride and die Holy Paladin - Blizz can and will nerf hpal to the ground. I will still play. I dont believe in chasing meta.,
Yeah but if it’s not fun- that will turn me away.
Enjoy your +6 keys then
@@StevenBoston-k7p Hpal not meta this season, but I still have avg +11 score. What you on about?
I played Hpal during S3/S4. It was miserable.
@ was just a joke pal
Can’t wait for that PT-Ore.
the exact kinda video i need at 3 am yes !
Hpal in the trash for both hero specs rn for 11.1
Red flag spec since S2 DF.
I am so excited that finally fluid form work with skull bash. Btw they should add again moonkin form and give us solar beam, for make the magic damage attractive!
at the moment I'm just waiting to see what happens, priest sounds exciting...
at the moment I like playing my paladin the most, monk and holy priest are fun too, but much less... I can't do anything with druid and evoker at the moment. shaman was my main at the start of the season, but I quickly lost interest in him and am now playing my paladin again. he's been my main since day one and will probably always be... but I'm also testing the monk and priest as an alt
This is the only thing they keep hitting in retail. It's a brain-dead idea. Now they're not only changing entire new parts, but they're completely transforming patches with each patch. They constantly push the game into chaos. Just when I get used to something and start to like it, a new patch comes and completely destroys everything. I understand if they improve something weak, but why ruin something that's good? If they only improve the bad things, the good ones would remain good and the bad ones would become good. This mindless changing with each patch is brutally irritating and nauseating. They've seriously reached a point with our team where we don't farm anything anymore. We play for 2-3 months, then everyone goes offline for months.
This is looks for me only thay have a big chaos in Blizz and they directly want to destroy and demoralised everything. I didn’t log back at since 4 weeks ago cause my all team member went to offline and they sad they just com back end of March only for few weeks bot waisting the time
Maining Rdruid. I hoping but not too much druid will feel great next patch! I feel so weak sometimes in dungeons when alot of dmg is going out. Love the content!
Excited to see how the Hpriest changes turn out. In pvp it lacks significant CDS for teammates. In gamemmodes like solo shuffle, dampening (stacking healing reduction) stacks very fast, on top of this you're almost always facing an enemy dps with a mortal strike effect. This makes our heals do a lot less, and causes us to have to spam heal so much more. Its to the point where even in full 639 pvp gear, im still running out of mana in matches.
It doesnt help that every other enemy healer you face (mostly disc and hpal) has very many CDS for teammates.
Somehow disc even has pvp mana reduction talents... While hpriest doesn't. Hpriest has the worst mana in game and suffers heavily from spec design. Buffing our direct healing is nice, but it means nothing if you have no mana
mw is def an S+ tier healer going into 11.1. they covered the struggles mw had and its going to be a powerhouse lol
yup its going to be S tier, he just going over the changes not how good the spec will be, except holy paladin which is trash now
I mean as a master of harmony MW monk, with the Sheiluns gift change we now have even less AOE healing, basically just revival which is 3 min Cd
bro jade lightning will be pumping, and its 30s cd, or even 2 charges if you play harmony. its fucking dope
I wouldn’t be so concerned with hpal if we saw more frequent buffs/changes. Alas, we do not.
The disc changes opens Oracle in keys but i dont think anything changes in raids... atm
i was going to start lightsmith next season since ive been stated for herald next season, but i guess that wont be happening. As far as herald i think making AW a 1.5 sec CD or decreasing Awakening stack to 10 or 12 would really smooth out the spec. feels bad when awakening procs and adds are dead or a boss is flying away and you dont even know if youre going to use the proc when you need it or your stuck holding on to dps because you want to wait for a heavier healing moment so you do less dps and generate less HP. i have a lot of fun playing it but the 2 min can feel rough in keys and raid. i would love to align every other AW with AM without having to micro manage blessings on me or a party member. I love how eternal flame takes away the choice of light of dawn majority of the time if timed with holy prism correctly.
Preoccupied from both ends is devious
Please tell them to fix Resto Shaman! These changes they are making, especially with the S2 Tier set powers, are not great. That insurance stuff is crap!!! You only get the benefit if your target is lower than 40%. How often is my party lower than 40%?!!!!!!
I would like to see HPal play like MW. Make the melee spells be maintenance heals(like fist weaving) and then when you need burst the hard casting comes in(like MW does with soothing mist>vivify heals). 1minute wings for holy would be a healing cd that just flat buffs all healing or big buffs CS, Judge, SotR, and HoW.
Random thoughts:
The mana cost on WoG/LoD is dumb for all 3 specs.
Bring back the hot component on LoD and have it interact with something similar to glimmer playstyle.
Maybe remove Holy Light introduce a Flash Concentration(priest Lego from shadowlands) style talent that lets you build flash of light into a holy light. Reduces keybindings and gives a gameplay loop for caster pally.
No one actively likes consecration for any pally spec. Rework it to be a minor cd, like an extremely nerfed Ashen Hallow. Every 20- 40 seconds get a big burst heal and dps zone going for 8 seconds. Can’t sit in it forever but Allows choice when you need it or want to sit and survive.
I like the idea of simplifying shaman R, it was a bit too much. Hopefully they kit the nai
Ive been saying this since launch, holy priest had too many AoE options and with Halo having a hero talent centered around it, the power budget of these spells (PoH, CoH, PoM, Halo, Holy Nova, Salvation, Sanctify, Hymn, Divine Word (lol)) was spread too thin so many of them felt like garbage to use. Removing CoH helps a ton, reduces clutter and bloat. I am excited to see how it feels to play in the next patch but I do hope they change the talent tree up a bit, since we are forced into Lightweaver it becomes difficult to get other capstones. I am also curious about their plans for "renew" builds cuz they removed 2 talents that apply renew onto people, nerfed oracle renew duration, and then added in a renew talent capstone that is frankly out of reach and not worth taking. Renew heals for literally nothing, so centering around that doesnt seem like a good idea. and it would take 2-3 talent points to buff it up but we arent even sure if the 60% buff talent works on free renews from Benediction since it says cast. I'd be fine with renew remaining weak since it activates Renewed Faith but they would have to buff Benediction to 40% cuz currently Renew is so insignificant to the spec. They also buffed Holy Mending but that shit heals for 30k a proc on a CONDITIONAL heal so buffing it by 1000% and then making Benediction 40% would make it feel actually worth while.
It seems like they want you to kind of use it like a hot that you should keep refreshed on your tank. I use renew currently a lot in mythic + even though meta wise you’re not supposed to touch that button.
@@chessiecat7860 i feel like if that were the case it would heal more and we would have enduring renewal back as a talent
dragonflight I played resto Druid War within I play resto shaman. I am thinking of going back to resto Druid, there is something about druid that holds my heart
Well its a shame they arent touching holy paladin considering its what your playing next tier.
the main thing that keeps me from healing as priest was button bloat.
so im glad to see this. but also its weird to see a complete rework in a patch and not an expac
I feel like priest hasn't had a button bloat issue in long, long time. I'm only playing one build for holy right now, but it feels like one of the most simple priest builds in ages. I have several unbound keys and a few bound keys that rarely get used.
Resto shaman has more buttons, but you can easily bind totems to the numberpad if you have a 15 button mouse.
The only class I have a button bloat issue on rn is blood DK.
With an MMO mouse I bind keys 3 and 6 to be mouse button 4 and mb5, then I have the other 10 number pad keys on my mouse, plus shift for 20 total, 5 mouse buttons +shift versions and ctrl if I really need it, thats 35 buttons on my mouse. I find the 11 key and ctrl-mb4/5 too awkward to press so 31 really, but thats a lot.
There's also tab, f, g, r, and t keys avilable if needed.
Shamans losing AG is a big hit. I don't always use it but when I do it's handy. They should atleast give two healing rains or a quicker cool down.
It turns out that we now have two bad herotalent. We are going to lose the tier set that strengthened our spenders and holy shock that were no longer good. Buffaram holy light a 2s spell, a spell that no one casts, because in addition to costing a million mana by the time you finish casting the person has already died, not to mention that you are melee. To complete the icing on the cake, our new tier set has its effect with the lowest spell power base compared to other healers.⚰️RIP Hpal
RIp resto shaman
I was not happy with the spec tree. Some of the specific % changes to the abilities or talents ex. Lightweaver not being on a choice node with Lightwell is still good. I don't like the direction of the rework. I think they should keep CoH situationally and have refocused on a couple of decent PoH line of talents around the renew build. I can't see taking empowered renew with the 12 sec CD when you can PoM, and renew w/o CD, but we will see what sticks.
Who would pair ascendance and AG, that's so extra. I loved using it with healing tide as another big cd, I wish they reworked it at last so it didn't feel like such a nerf.
guess you can be exited for preservation evoker - if you take into account the changes to augmentation - what maybe-mayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyybeeeeee opens up a bit - and gives preservation a chance
Where to find the 11.1 Talent tree for shaman, cant find it.... Anyone with the link ?
personally I'm sad about CoH and Salvation getting removed, would have been happier if they removed holy nova lol
but the buff to PoH is very welcome
Im gone from this shitshow in Wow nerfing non stop Hpala when its not even meta fuck em
Holy priests we rise! I no longer have to be disc !
Why would you go disc if you like holy? I've never been disc and do better than most other healers.
@@Aurora_262most likely they’re talking about M+. Holy is SO bad in M+ (coming from a 3250 healer player). You can obviously do medium keys on it and some people are making it work but disc is just miles better. And if you pug playing off meta can be pretty demoralizing
@@Wraghelm Oh ya I agree on the mythic + thing. Holy is garbage there. lol
I no longer enjoy m+ on any class.
I feel like holy pala design peaked in season 3 of shadowlands. Necrolord hammer with the free light of dawns and old light of the martyr was insanely fun
Cancelled wow sub this month, just tired of how awful the balance has been for so long.. why is it so hard just to nerf hpali and disco it’s so boring how easy they have it compared to other classes
seeing the holy paladin changes i instantly canceled my world of warcraft subscription. its a pure nerf shitshow and seeing mistweaver i just think: "its not good enough". cant enjoy this.
idk they are reworking gift for MW. REVIVAL NEEDS more brain power put into it... no to mentions something anything as far as utility for raids and mythic+. give us a lust revive or PI even a better buff... shoot even a lock rock or closet ability.... something that makes people want to bring a MW specifically to raid or m+
Holy pally went from being great for tank healing ans okay at raid healing to now just drowning in the shallow in of the pool.
I’m so happy that they are streamlining Resto Shaman and making it less button bloated. I always need to remove active talents due to lack of space. It makes me very excited and I hope they remove even more key bindings.
Just play what you like who cares about tier lists, this type of thing is for the 1% who want to push the end game content. You can run 10s with all these healers if you know how to play the class.I have every healer and play most of them in an 8 key no problem
I remember from classic when holy paladin was a true caster based on big heal for tanks with holy light and some small heal through flash heal and holy shock. I hate when blizzard change the whole design of a healer. It's currently the same state with resto druid. We can play it range or melee, but melee is better, and in a near futur melee will be the only choice. They did it for hpal and hmonk, rdruid is the next one.
I really liked classic holy pala based on mana management and big crit heal with int stacking.
I dont like formweaving, so a non-cat path for resto druid is a plus
Shaman doesnt need changes. Its a very fun and well balanced spec now... Seriously.
Exactly. The bar should be set there. Buff all healers so they'll be able to match it.
Except that totemic shaman is boring af…
Bring back a good pwave spec
Idk how is it fun, playing shaman is the best way to prepare to sleep right now
It could use some quality of life. Healing rain for farseer is the most obvious spell that needs a redesign/big change. Right now it feels like it has zero impact, yet you're still expected to keep it up every ~15 seconds? It feels terrible - a spell like that might as well be removed from the game.
I feel like Unleash life should be off the GCD if it's going to do negligible healing, or it needs to have more impact itself.
Totemic seems okay, though I personally just dislike it for how bad the single target healing seems, and obviously the mana issues are really silly when no other healer cares remotely as much about mana.
I like this direction they are taking with disc, discipline was becoming literally a pet class, with the right tuning, I really hope they get rid of the mindbender stuff
I really wish they would stop trying to make renew a thing it's such an uninteresting button
The holy paladin changes are dog sh*t. Those are 100% hard casting nerfs , not buffs. Unless they are going to make holy lights spell cast 1.2 seconds and introduce holy radiance vack into the line up they just nerfed hard casting by a lot again for no reason. Dawn of light build is already trash by out put numbers and Lightsmith is only strong because of a single spell . Literally no skill in light smith just cast shield and their is 20-25% of all your healing in one spell that only helps one player so often.
At this point if they don't want you to hard cast as a paladin, why not delete holy light and flash of light since they are useless.
I know Paladin is currently tuned ultra lazy high end players that want their weak auras and macros to play the game for them so why not make holy shock also heal those around the healed player within 15 yards. The aoe heal from holy shock would be at 20 or 30% of the holy shock heal and then add a real aoe heal to the paladin. Like shield of the righteous actually shields everyone in the party for x amount and you can uae it every 20 seconds. That way it lines up between the the becon of virtue aoe window and the lightsmith cooldowns.
It's getting old that blizzard only caters to the one percent of players.
Disc is gonna be NICE. Def A tier
It’s basically a nerf all around on Voidweaver. What do you mean ?
@@boretyy From the 11.1 patch changes I read Disc looked solid, unless recent changes brought it back
@ what ? What exactly looks solid apart from 25% void blast ? You’re losing 5 atonement’s at 4 sec extra duration from loss of rapture ramp , no Train of Thought -Less IT> also weaker Collapsing void ,also 20% nerf on rift ,no CDR on fiend or UP ,it’s pretty bad
A tier list coming out before the changes are even testable on PTR is a bold choice.
you didn't even watch the first 5 minutes of the vid and your comment proves it
the Holy Pally trees are such garbage they need a rework on those and i dont my the melee build and i dont mind the caster but the problem now is that they need to pick one and work on that because the talents are all over the place you have to take some cast and some melee and its just make for a difficult time picking talents so they really need to get it together and what every way they see pallys going they need to pick a side and go with it in the end so they dont have to keep doing this back and forth BS
If 90% of my time as a holy paladin is spent hardcasting unbuffed holy lights that heal for a ton instead of setting up 20 step combo heals I'm happy
as long as we have time to cast before swirlie spawns in our feet
I WILL stand in bad and I WILL compensate by having beacon on me. I WON'T do content that will one shot me and I WILL be happy because of it 😤
@@Gunderstank So you want the spec to be balanced around doing Trivial content that you outgear & around players who just straight up ignore mechanics to play a particular way.... jesus christ
If holy light crits for 4-5 milion, I'm ok with this playstyle
@@nickmoro1908I can guarantee you are in the vast minority.
I just don't see how it could work, imagine being forced to continuously plant and hard cast on bosses like last boss COT where you have to constantly move. Have most of your healing power tied to a slow hard cast would feel awful.
I think for that play style to work Blizzard would seriously have to revisit current encounter designs which they simply aren't going to do anytime soon
Literally every other healer (except for Monk) is in the classic caster / HoT placer magician archetype. In Monk and Holy Paladin we have a warrior style melee combat & instant casting healer that is super interesting and original across the board of all MMO's probably and yet they constantly try to diverge Paladins from that gameplay. I'm really baffled at this and so very unmotivated to play in S2 of War Within tbh.
Same. Glimmer hpala was great. Sadly there has been a big outcry by people who don't even play hpala to basically make it holy priest 2.0, and now those people shut up yet the spec's viability, fun and popularity is lower 🙂 Amazing, isnt it?
@jonathan13co You think spamming 1 button is fun gameplay?
You for real?
@@havtor007what about anything here is suggesting a spam 1 button spec? Hpala has had an identity crisis ever since the rework in DF. Casting? Where you ignored spending hopo, literally one of the most core gameplay things about hpala in amirdrassil. Yeah real good for the spec. war within launch where herald was strong and was fun? No thanks. Avenging crusader spam judge for healing that you have no agency over. In fact I’d argue this boogeyman of hurdur press only 1 button?!?!?! Is more true now with AC then it has ever been.
The changes enticing us toward casting again is so baffling dumb, what is the point of holy power if spenders are perpetually ass and feel like ass to press. Holy shock needs god too.
The spec is all over the place and casting is NOT IT. Buff our spenders, buff holy shock, make the rotational spells hpala presses fun to press and feel good to press. When I play ret my crit wogs heal more than my holy wogs ever will which feels terrible. If you want to cast fine whatever holy light still takes a million years to cast and costs a billion mana, and these changes are all about casting when you don’t have IoL???? Like what???? You obvs are dumb if you think the spec is fine.
is this the same madskillzz that kills bots ?
The wording of the resto druid tier set is atrocious. The more I read it the more confused I become. I get the "gist", but otherwise yea, the wording doesn't make much sense.
get rid of melee wings, worst thing ever
Farseer need a rework plz
the ptr isn't even out yet. relax.
Ok so you should go back to classic because youre absolutely wrong. Shaman and preservation evo are top 2 and the rest are terrible, disc priets is maybe ok, the rest cant keep up. youre not very high rated to be making these decisions and informing the community wrongly
Understand the concern for pres range limitations, but I don’t see it that much different than being forced into melee as mistweaver for uptime on heals. I think it’s actually a fun dynamic of the class, and I think it’s reeeeally not as big an issue as a LOT of people make it out to be, pugging can be tricky but pres shines SO bright if you can look past it. Especially in a mostly melee group, pres not only PUMPS heals but also dps! I think people sleep on this spec so much cause it SEEMS daunting but it’s really not too bad to work around. I think people just prefer safer options (yawn ;) )
As a Resto shaman main i have loved this Season, been playing totemic in raid and farseer in M+ pusling toward the 6th boss on mythic, and +13 Keys. (Im a casual player, so no hate)
Shaman dont need any changes at all, but if I could request anything it would be a talent that made some sort of absorb shield for the squeesy dps getting hit by unavoidable Damage.
Who heals anyway. This game is playable solo
Peteeooor
Holy paladin is terrible boring right now. Ac melee playstyle is just boring.
I love it.
@@gohomeheroit takes 100% of your agency of where your healing goes out and make it all about fitting as many judgments as possible in with as many BA buffed CSs. It’s painfully boring and painfully easy to play.
A monkey could play AC.
@@BoxherojukeMistweaver playstyle is basically the same AC smart heal. Your point's invalid.
In the same way Mw and Disc heals.
I dont see an issue eith AC, considefing LS means you should be playing around and maximizing armaments uptime as well..
Either way, its getting nerfed.
its a dps game style just dps if you want that....
only noobs play just one class
Nobody uses Ancestral Guidance.
It’s one of shamans biggest cooldowns to top people off. If you’re not using it, you’re just bad.
TLD or 😂
I like your content, but… you talk way too fast. Bro… slow it down