I wasn't very convinced with the show. Visually I was awestruck, it's a beautiful thing to watch, but many many things seem to have been overlooked to just look cool. Just in this episode (mainly 'cuz I don't remember the others): -Where are the worm gametes getting all that matter to MAKE the bunny-moths? You never see them eating or feeding on anything, and they just start growing like magic! -Do the bunny-moths have compound eyes or normal eyes? why don't they look like compound eyes (like mantis eyes where the "pupil" seems to follow you)? or why don't they move like normal eyes looking around for predators? -How do the monkey predator's arms stretch? do they have bones in them? do the bones stretch? -But the bit that took me out of the whole thing was that the parasite killing both of the hosts! Ok, Yeah! Parasites do kill and change the behavior of some animals to get eaten, BUT that is to get to the final host and reproduce there mostly without harming the final host, and just poop out eggs or something. If you kill the final host then that host will learn to avoid that prey! Assuming that these monkeys have some sort of survival instinct, something like "Whoa! This one has the killing eyes and it's not moving!" Like a poisonous frog, every animal knows not to eat a poisonous frog. Animals learn to avoid things like that. But they just wanted to show a killing parasite, making the predator look dumb.
The grazers have vertical slit eyes (based on a gecko), which give them more range between their maximum and minimum pupil size. Circular pupils are limited to about 16x, vertical slits can do more. Also they give a bonus to depth perception. I expected different behaviors based on the external anatomy of the grazers, but the series wisely chose to teach cool Earth biology instead, as did you! Thanks for this fun experience!
omg thank for sharing re pupils I never knew that!! Super interesting. I think they did draw a lot of parallels with earth and it would have been interesting to branch out of that more
I always find alien designs a bit too similar to creatures on Earth tbh. The convergent evolution explanation makes sense but only because the evolutionary pressures and the basic form of life are so similar already. I would love to see someone try to imagine a complex ecosystem which takes place on a gas giant without a rocky surface or in which cells never evolved and life was based on a virus-like structure instead, although I guess most of the action would be microscopic in that example. Of course the point of Alien Worlds is to draw parallels with real Earth life so it makes more sense to do it the way they did. Thanks for the vid, loved it!
Thanks for watching!! Yeah whenever I imagine how life might evolve on other planets it’s hard to believe that in most other respects things like gravity and the ground and the air would be the same. I think everything would be completely different, leading to completely different species! Would love to see that imagined too ✨
if you watch episode 4 they show a super advanced civilization, and it's quite an unusual type, basically they merged all humans (or intelligent aliens) into one super computer that would mass produce itself to spread to other planets.
@@outdoorswithsum FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SEES THE FLAWS IS DO! I mean, why not sex for pleasure, or possibly even communication? It's always the rehashed "reproduction", "spreading genes"...like come on! There are animals that do this for pleasure, and for some, even to solidify social bonds with groups. Why not explore that more? Struggle for survival...so boring and cliche. Why not conjure up a planet where life is all symbiotic? No predator/prey relationship? Maybe the organism evolved to sense things vastly differently? How about a species that is 'hedonistic' instead of survival based, and thus has such an evolved biology that it is incapable of feeling pain the way we do? I know it all sounds cheesy and super idealistic...but the whole "struggle for survival" thing is just...UUUUGH!
Nice 00s style! And career goal too… But tbh my only problem with this series is that they stuck to their narrow box earthly view of it having to be earthlike and that the planet needs what earth has in order to live. That and the earthlike physical structure all of us animals have… I get they’re trying to take it one step at a time and make it easier to understand but... It doesn’t. Sure some may be earthlike in some ways, but other planets obviously don’t need what our planet has any more than earth needs what other planets have. They don’t need what they’ve never (or at least in a long time) had, obviously.
See this show was kinda cool and all but I feel like I was never convinced I saw the logic, it seemed more sci-fi than based on actual biology. For those interested a guy on YT made a whole series on theoretical evolution that I bought into a lot more (th-cam.com/video/egzZv8tqT_k/w-d-xo.html)
i'm not sure if those monkey things have evolved to grow an extra pair of legs, its only on earth where we are used to all medium to large sized animals having 4 legs, on a different planet it might be typical to have 6 legs, the only thing it has evolved is one of those pairs of legs is now adapted for catching prey
Reminds me I will be discussing Subnautica next month. This show definitely has some flaws. Not sure why they didn't talk about the cat, mouse, toxoplasmosis relationship.
@@outdoorswithsum this video really made me think of an idea of have contemplated with getting a group of scientists to watch a movie and discuss it from a science perspective.
@@Ecotasia that’s a great idea! I got the inspo from those breakdown videos which are usually pretty simple scientific concepts, so it’d be cool to go more in depth 🙂
Sorry for comment spam but I also think a bunch like could alien life exist with a gas simlar to oxgygen instead like but then even, I might be wrong but I would assume if that was true there wouls be animals on earth that breath nitrogen, and could animals exist with a Energy currency thays not ATP, cause i suppose thats why things need oxygen
I think its one of those things where the only system of life we really understand is the one that allowed for life here on Earth, and its really hard to comprehend elements outside of the ones we know, but does that mean they don't exist? I don't think so. Who knows whats other gasses are floating out in other galaxies and universes that could have created life?!
@@outdoorswithsum Like yeah your right like its the only life we understand but there has to be something else, Also I think it would be really cool if the show did like evolution splits without central nervous system basis like octopuses, that can be super smart and octopus are really alien like anyway I just finished a book called other minds about how octopus evolved so maybe im obbesed with octopuses and want someyhing octopus related haha
Call me an idealist, but I think many of these documentaries in general are way too focused on the whole "nature is cruel" thing. Sure, animals in captive situations like in labs to study depression and stuff are under chronic stress, and in poorly run zoos, but in nature there's tons of animals just doing their thing and living fairly peaceful lives. They're not *constantly* living in fear of predators like in inhumane captive settings. Why not make it more like bonobos where stress isn't a big deal? How about focusing more on symbiosis as opposed to predation? Why not a planet where symbiosis and altruism is the main driving force to keep a species alive? i could go into so much detail, but i don't want to take up 5 pages with explaining this...
I wasn't very convinced with the show. Visually I was awestruck, it's a beautiful thing to watch, but many many things seem to have been overlooked to just look cool. Just in this episode (mainly 'cuz I don't remember the others):
-Where are the worm gametes getting all that matter to MAKE the bunny-moths? You never see them eating or feeding on anything, and they just start growing like magic!
-Do the bunny-moths have compound eyes or normal eyes? why don't they look like compound eyes (like mantis eyes where the "pupil" seems to follow you)? or why don't they move like normal eyes looking around for predators?
-How do the monkey predator's arms stretch? do they have bones in them? do the bones stretch?
-But the bit that took me out of the whole thing was that the parasite killing both of the hosts! Ok, Yeah! Parasites do kill and change the behavior of some animals to get eaten, BUT that is to get to the final host and reproduce there mostly without harming the final host, and just poop out eggs or something. If you kill the final host then that host will learn to avoid that prey! Assuming that these monkeys have some sort of survival instinct, something like "Whoa! This one has the killing eyes and it's not moving!" Like a poisonous frog, every animal knows not to eat a poisonous frog. Animals learn to avoid things like that. But they just wanted to show a killing parasite, making the predator look dumb.
Yea. That was very stupid. It's as if they hated the monkey creature and wanted it to die.
Yes, yes, yes! They didn't convince me either with low hanging embryos "safe" from tree climbing predators.
The grazers have vertical slit eyes (based on a gecko), which give them more range between their maximum and minimum pupil size. Circular pupils are limited to about 16x, vertical slits can do more. Also they give a bonus to depth perception. I expected different behaviors based on the external anatomy of the grazers, but the series wisely chose to teach cool Earth biology instead, as did you! Thanks for this fun experience!
omg thank for sharing re pupils I never knew that!! Super interesting. I think they did draw a lot of parallels with earth and it would have been interesting to branch out of that more
I always find alien designs a bit too similar to creatures on Earth tbh. The convergent evolution explanation makes sense but only because the evolutionary pressures and the basic form of life are so similar already. I would love to see someone try to imagine a complex ecosystem which takes place on a gas giant without a rocky surface or in which cells never evolved and life was based on a virus-like structure instead, although I guess most of the action would be microscopic in that example.
Of course the point of Alien Worlds is to draw parallels with real Earth life so it makes more sense to do it the way they did.
Thanks for the vid, loved it!
Thanks for watching!! Yeah whenever I imagine how life might evolve on other planets it’s hard to believe that in most other respects things like gravity and the ground and the air would be the same. I think everything would be completely different, leading to completely different species! Would love to see that imagined too ✨
if you watch episode 4 they show a super advanced civilization, and it's quite an unusual type, basically they merged all humans (or intelligent aliens) into one super computer that would mass produce itself to spread to other planets.
@@euclois Sounds way too much like humans. Imagine of humans found alien life? We'd mess it all up, just like we do our own.
@@outdoorswithsum FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SEES THE FLAWS IS DO!
I mean, why not sex for pleasure, or possibly even communication? It's always the rehashed "reproduction", "spreading genes"...like come on! There are animals that do this for pleasure, and for some, even to solidify social bonds with groups. Why not explore that more?
Struggle for survival...so boring and cliche. Why not conjure up a planet where life is all symbiotic? No predator/prey relationship? Maybe the organism evolved to sense things vastly differently? How about a species that is 'hedonistic' instead of survival based, and thus has such an evolved biology that it is incapable of feeling pain the way we do? I know it all sounds cheesy and super idealistic...but the whole "struggle for survival" thing is just...UUUUGH!
Wearing a green shirt to truly get immersed and become part of the Alien World
HAHAH
Nice 00s style! And career goal too… But tbh my only problem with this series is that they stuck to their narrow box earthly view of it having to be earthlike and that the planet needs what earth has in order to live. That and the earthlike physical structure all of us animals have… I get they’re trying to take it one step at a time and make it easier to understand but... It doesn’t. Sure some may be earthlike in some ways, but other planets obviously don’t need what our planet has any more than earth needs what other planets have. They don’t need what they’ve never (or at least in a long time) had, obviously.
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Cool to hear your thoughts - some things I didn't think of when I watched myself.
See this show was kinda cool and all but I feel like I was never convinced I saw the logic, it seemed more sci-fi than based on actual biology. For those interested a guy on YT made a whole series on theoretical evolution that I bought into a lot more (th-cam.com/video/egzZv8tqT_k/w-d-xo.html)
Can you do a vid on that alien worlds episode where the things fly with flippers and get eaten by balloon-esque bugs?
The tree embro bugged me so much
Like how did it get up there in the first place, probs takes a really long time, and why do the babies drop like 20meters and are chill
not to mention INSTANT cocooning I never heard of such a thing
i'm not sure if those monkey things have evolved to grow an extra pair of legs, its only on earth where we are used to all medium to large sized animals having 4 legs, on a different planet it might be typical to have 6 legs, the only thing it has evolved is one of those pairs of legs is now adapted for catching prey
just a tip don't wear a green top with a greenscreen ha
I think she knew exactly what she was doing heh
Reminds me I will be discussing Subnautica next month. This show definitely has some flaws. Not sure why they didn't talk about the cat, mouse, toxoplasmosis relationship.
Exactly the example I was thinking of!!!
@@outdoorswithsum this video really made me think of an idea of have contemplated with getting a group of scientists to watch a movie and discuss it from a science perspective.
@@Ecotasia that’s a great idea! I got the inspo from those breakdown videos which are usually pretty simple scientific concepts, so it’d be cool to go more in depth 🙂
Sorry for comment spam but I also think a bunch like could alien life exist with a gas simlar to oxgygen instead like but then even, I might be wrong but I would assume if that was true there wouls be animals on earth that breath nitrogen, and could animals exist with a Energy currency thays not ATP, cause i suppose thats why things need oxygen
I think its one of those things where the only system of life we really understand is the one that allowed for life here on Earth, and its really hard to comprehend elements outside of the ones we know, but does that mean they don't exist? I don't think so. Who knows whats other gasses are floating out in other galaxies and universes that could have created life?!
@@outdoorswithsum Like yeah your right like its the only life we understand but there has to be something else,
Also I think it would be really cool if the show did like evolution splits without central nervous system basis like octopuses, that can be super smart and octopus are really alien like anyway I just finished a book called other minds about how octopus evolved so maybe im obbesed with octopuses and want someyhing octopus related haha
Call me an idealist, but I think many of these documentaries in general are way too focused on the whole "nature is cruel" thing.
Sure, animals in captive situations like in labs to study depression and stuff are under chronic stress, and in poorly run zoos, but in nature there's tons of animals just doing their thing and living fairly peaceful lives. They're not *constantly* living in fear of predators like in inhumane captive settings.
Why not make it more like bonobos where stress isn't a big deal? How about focusing more on symbiosis as opposed to predation? Why not a planet where symbiosis and altruism is the main driving force to keep a species alive? i could go into so much detail, but i don't want to take up 5 pages with explaining this...