EVH 5150 ICONIC | And how it compares to PEAVEY 5150 BLOCK LETTER.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ค. 2024
- With EVH Frankie guitar & Marshall 1960BX cabinet w/ 25 watt Greenbacks mic'd with a Shure SM57 & SE Electronics VR1 ribbon mic.
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Timecodes:
- Intro: 0:00
- The Iconic Song: 0:15
- Noodling: 2:33
- Gear & signal chain: 4:55
- Specs: 9:50
- The tones / Channel 2: 13:08
- The tones / compared to Peavey 5150: 15:35
- Boost & noise gate: : 20:42
- EQ: 22:13
- Channel 1: 25:14
- XLR / speaker sim out: 31:17
- Conclusion: 36:42
#evhgear #5150 #iconic - เพลง
Great thorough job! When I did the original 5150, I used a slower taper potentiometer, which really did nothing till about 6. When I came to work at EVH, I found they’d changed to a different taper that comes up faster and is spread more across the whole knob. So yes, you tend to get similar presence by keeping it under 5 compared to the block letter. It’s just more things Ed wanted differently over time. And on the noise gate, the guitar is picking up the amp’s transformer since you’re sitting close to the power transformer side of the amp. If you were on the other side, you’d have much better results. Also the preamp out jack is straight with no simulation, and is at the same location as the XLR….so you can use that with your own high end IR’s.
Oh thanks so much Mr. Brown! In my books you and Jim Marshall are the fathers of loud so it’s amazing that you’ve checked out my video and also wrote here. This is so cool! Marshall JCM800 2203 was my first tube amp and shortly after that I bought the 5150. Or like we call the amp in Finland: SISO. Which is like a Finnish SISU, which basically means Finnish GUTS 💪😎.
Thank you also for the info and tips! Really cool! It’d be an honour to chat with you someday if you’d be up for it. My email is: evalovirta@gmail.com. Just in case 😊. Long live King Ed 🙏🎼.
The master has spoken! Not only is James Brown the creator of some of my favorite guitar sounds, he is the nicest person and always share his knowledge and insights so freely. A true legend; I’d love to see an interview with him on this channel.
@@EugeValovirta230V \m/
But are you Funky James :O ?
@@teriakamoto yes, I am 🕺
Thanks for another great demo! 🤘🏻
🤟🙏. And I just realised you did the Super Thanks so thank You! Much appreciated!
I really appreciate your in-depth reviews. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! I will!
Been watching a few videos on this amp today. Other guys with walls of amps and high end guitars doing not so good demos. Just wanted to say thank you for putting the work in. All your videos I have watched have been worth the watch.
Thanks! Glad to hear!
The 5150 series of amps are just spectacular. Even at absurd levels of gain, the string definition is superb. They feel unlike anything else. The touch sensitivity.... the roar just leaps off the strings.
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This is such a great video!!!! So professional!!
Thanks!
The greatest thing about EVH, besides his playing, was that he wanted the average player to have access to phenomenal sounds. WVH has kept up with that. Mark Tremonti has as well. Both sound great, the Iconic has more features that make it awesome for more budget minded folk.
Indeed. Long live The King 💪🙏.
Hellyeah, that MT15 is still tempting me to pursue 😂
"The greatest thing about EVH, besides his playing, was that he wanted the average player to have access to phenomenal sounds." um, yeah, 40 years after everyone was wanting his sound since 1978. ?
@@TruthSurge hey hey!!! Love your cover of Rainbow in the Dark. Much better than Co&*( T@$%^'s go at it. Although, Liliac gives you a hard run for the money. The 5150 from Peavey was around $600 way back in the early 90s. It took him quite some time to find a manufacturer who would take the chance on such a monumental task as working with EVH, and keep it affordable. Most that he approached wanted to cash in on his name and make em expensive AF, Peavey IIRC really needed someone and something, and a match made in heaven happened. Have to give them and PRS for taking on these challenges and bringing us some phenominal gear for a huge bang for the buck.
@@tobins6800 Well, I am not up on it as much as you are but I did know that Peavey made a lot of amps back in the 80s and I even owned one. Renown. Two 12 combo amp. solid state. It was okay. Lots of people used Peavey amps. Yeah that family band does really well with the girl singer. I saw a vid a few years back. You have a nice Eddie VH sound with those 5150 amps and that frankenstrat. But it's a good sound for anything besides a VH song. Thanks on my singing. I just do it as a hobby. Nice to see you reply!!! Yeah, I think $600 is a really fair price for a good amp head in the 90s. I also think Peavey was a lower priced brand in general but not sure. Anyway, nice playing, too!!!
Another great video Euge , I think for a future topic you could give us a tour of your speaker isolation room. I have always loved to see how different musicians design their isolation cabs. Just consideration for a future topic
Thanks! It’s basically my workshop room where I just put some acoustic panels & carpets to dampen it ’cos the floor & walls are concrete 😎👌.
This comparison did it for me, I literally just ordered the Iconic, This was the most thorough comparison i've seen that has brutal tone! Nice work and thanks for putting this out.
Great to hear! Thanks!
What a seriously cool guy and great player. Liking this!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Such a well done review. I really appreciate your honesty, you don't sugar coat or give bullshit sales talk. So many youtube gear reviewers give cookie cutter conclusions based entirely on the price.
Thanks!
Sounds sick man! I don't understand people who complain about it... It's like that old saying "The issue isn't the amp, its the person in front of it!" ;) Keep em' coming Euge!!
Thanks man! Exactly.
I’m just here to enjoy the amazing playing! 🙏
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Thank you for dedicating some time to showing the clean tones. I like the sounds you got there. I think this amp might be pretty great for a pedal platform amp with a more modern edge to it.
Thanks!
A little late to the party here but the Iconic received alot of unwarranted hate when it came out. Even folks that never used it already hated it. In using an original 5150 vs 6105 vs Iconic I found I could make the Iconic mimic both the 6105 and 5150 almost identically but I couldn't get the 5150 or 6105 to mimic the Iconic. In being more of a Mesa fan I was surprised at how forward and how much low end grunt the Iconic has. It is very versatile. Old school or Modern, it can do both very well. Definitely a keeper.
Indeed 👌💪.
Great video Euge! The 5150 Iconic have a really different pinch Harmonics compare to the Peavey. Huge Sound 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks!
They both sound Great Hippie!! Great playing.
Indeed. Thanks! 😎
A wonderful video! I use a 50 watt Plexi with a 5150 Overdrive Pedal. Crazy setup to get the Plexi tight. I tested the Iconic but liked the 50 iii way more.. maybe because I am used to my Plexi
Thanks!
They do sound a little different but I think the Iconic does a pretty good job of getting the old 5150 vibe. Pretty cool amp. Great vid Euge
Indeed. Thanks!
Great video!!! Love the hat!!!!
Thanks!
Cool video. Enjoyed watching it! Thanks. ~Fabian
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Thx Euge let's rock !!
Damn that's rock n metal. nice lows !!
Yeah! Thanks!
As always great vid man. Have you tried the marshall origin heads? I would love to see your take on one of those!
Thanks! No I haven’t but it’s in the plans 👌.
I now own TWO 1992 Block Letter 5150's in virtually showroom condition. However, one of them has the original USA Sylvania Super 6 power tubes and preamp tubes in it. The other has the original preamp tubes and JJ 6L6's. Under the same dialed in settings they both sound KILLER! The one with the JJ's is just a tad dryer but I like that. Both amps very consistent. I run a Fortin Hexdrive in front. Once you can get these amps dialed in with a good OD, there isn't much out there that can beat them. Rock On Euge!
All 5150 amps are amazing but it's the el34 version for me. Of course your playing is absolutely amazing!
🤟. Thanks!
I have 6505+, EVHlll 50w 6L6, and have had the Block Letter 5150, and JCM800 2205 50w. Does the EL34 5150 have a more "Marshall" Flavor ? Is it appear "Higher Gain" to you ? Thank You Michael.
@@teriakamoto I've never played thru one but that's what I've heard is it's more open like a jvm.
@@michaelmitchell5909 Thanks Michael. I hope to try one out.
They both sound good, but I went with the white iconic head and cab. Thanks to Zzounds.
Nice Video! James Brown said the Burn Switch brings back the original thick Attack of the Original 5150. Since the 5150 Combo and Mark 2 the Attack was tighter. It was an happy accident someone made with a wrong part and Eddy liked it.
So the Iconic is a 5150 and a 5150II in one.
I think this is a great Amp. But i have a 6505 and a 3120/XXX so... i'm fine i think :D
Thanks! Indeed 💪.
Thanks for being honest about the sounds Euge. Good to know that regardless of how many preamp tubes it has - that you can make it sound great!! Very impressive 👍
Could you do the Orange Super crush 100 at some point please ? Would love to know your thoughts on a solid state amp!
This please.
Super Crush is good, especially for the price. It's a great pedal platform amp.
Thanks! If I get my hands on one someday 👌.
That solo rips brother! Great video I'm buying the iconic :) If you ever come to Florida let me know and fi you have any songs you want vocals done on hit me up!
Thanks man!
Great playing .
I dig the original tune.
Thanks!
The Iconic is not that far off! Sounds great man.
Yeah! Thanks!
Thanks!
Anytime!
You’re welcome! 🙏 And I just noticed that you did the Super Thanks! So thank You! Much appreciated!
Great comparison and playing as usual Euge! Did you see Wolfgang Van Halen play Van Halen songs at the Taylor Hawkins Tribute show? It was absolutely incredible!
Yeah! Amazing!
I LOVE your music man, i REALLY do!👏👏👏
Now, i am going to watch the video.😁
I prefer Peavey, it is kind clear to my ears...
Glad to hear man! Thanks!
5150 and his derivations my favourite ever amps beside my Marshall jvm410hjs
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Well i think you forgot a few of the Engl amps now. Small scandal, but its human to forget.
hey man, how's it going? Haven't been able to catch your show in a while. 😄 that's still a rockin' guitar!!!
All good thanks!
You know I have been waiting for this one. I was just curious how it compares to the original block letter 5150. I knew you would do a proper comparison. And you did. I think it can sound really close to the old 5150. I'm sure that's what Jim Brown was going for. I do like the 1/4 power switch, for playing at home. These amps sell for exactly $1,000 at Sweetwater in the USA. ( The matching cabs are junk tho. )
Thanks! Indeed 👌
Cool stuff! I just got a new guitar last week and i know that you like ESP guitars well i got me ESP LTD EC-256FM guitar and man i love that guitar it sounds really good and plays really nice! I wanted to what strings that you use and like! Thanks man. Happy Labor day too.
Thanks! Yeah they’re great guitars! Here’s some info: www.eugevalovirta.com/gear/guitars-pickups-strings
@@EugeValovirta230V Thank so very much for the web site! I just gone to it rocks! I always enjoy watching your video's you have great stuff that helps me to be a better guitar player, Wants again thank you!
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Dig the awesome playing and mix, as always. I have no idea why people were crapping all over this amp. I think it's pretty good. Different yes, that's why it's great to me. What good is it to have 6 of the same amp. What load box and ir loader are you using now? I am looking to buy a new one. My captor x is on its last leg I think and my ox box can't seem to stay connected. And I know you have tried many. I like the same kind of music and tone. What do you prefer?
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Like I showed in the video: no load boxes & IRs but my Marshall cab w/ Greenbacks & V30s mic’d with Shure SM57 & SE Electronics VR1 ribbon mic.
You're the coolest guitarist I've ever seen
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Hi Euge, Great Channel. I notice on my 5150 , along with other EVH amps I've owned, that the OD/gain has a "fizzy" sound to it... is there a way to remove that, or "smoothen" it out a bit?
Hopefully what i'm saying makes sense. thanks.
Thanks! That’s part of the charm IMO. Way to remove it; get a different amp 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V - ha, no way!
Hey Euge, have you tried the Mesa Badlander amp? It is not suppose to be boomy like the original Rectifiers. It seems the Badlander is a lot more tighter and with EL34s. Since you like Marshals I was wondering how you like or compare them to the amps you like.
No but would be great to check that out someday 🤟.
Block letter is KING !
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EXCELLENT.
Thanks!
Hey man great video, do you know the difference between peavy signature and block letter? thanks!
The logo. Nothing else 😎.
Awesome video Euge! I'm looking at getting a block 5150 in the future but don't even have a cabinet yet haha. It's just something I have to have.
Thanks! 😎🤟
Even the EVH signature one after the block letter model sounds great..its the same amp but the block letter had a different brand of power tubes in them..I think they were labeled Peavey Super 6 if I remember correctly ? James Brown the designer and maker of these amps stated its the same amp just the power tubes on some later ones were changed due to supply and demand..I had one of the sigmature ones and loved it and sold it 2 years ago and bought a Iconic in February 2022 and I love it..so really unless you take one home and play it through your own speaker cabinet(s) its hard to tell here but as always Euge here does a great job and awesome playing !
Or you can just get a 6505.
@@rosskrause3926 I'd be very happy with either amp head. Thanks for the info! I do really like the noise gate on the iconic also.
@@ErrorlVlacro I'll have to check it out thanks!
What is your favorite IR for the Iconic ? I just got my Iconic, sounds great with my live can, witch is a Marshall bottom cab with25 watt greenbacks. I need a great-sounding IR for recording.
I just had the amp for a few days and I only used it with my cab but if I use an IR it’s something from Jens Bogren; whatever fits the song/mix/sound in my head the best in any given situation.
I think it would be cool if you had an additional camera, pointed at the amp showing how it reacts when you adjust the settings.
Yep 😎.
I have to go with the original, even though the Iconic has a huge, fat sound. Great comparison and review as always. 🤘🤘
Thanks man!
Would you be willing to try the Friedman JEL-100 and the Metaltronix M-2000?
Absolutely if I get my hands on those someday.
Hi Euge! Do you think it'd be possible to play this through a cab rated for 60 W? And how do you like the iconic vs the EVH 5150 III EL34/Stealth 50 W? I love your videos, your riffs are so good and unique I think.
Also at 38:54 it made me laugh when you went "it's a... it's a reverb." (:
Sure if you don’t crank the master to 10 😎. It’s been a while since I did the videos for those other 5150s that I can’t remember anymore but I’ve liked them all. I mean if it says EVH it sounds good. If not then the reason is in the mirror. Thanks!
@@EugeValovirta230V I see, thanks! The iconics are at a good price so I might get one. I mean it's cheaper than the jcm 20 watt version. XD
@@EugeValovirta230V Do you think I could get away with a 6505 120 watt if I use an attenuator with my 60 watt cab? Or is it going to blow up?
You’ll be probably fine without one if you keep the master below noon. It’s insanely loud then so unless you’re not playing in stadiums most likely there’s no need to play that loud.
@@EugeValovirta230V You're right I doubt I'll ever get the volume up that loud. Thanks a lot! Have a nice weekend.
Hey Euge, You covered everything great I thought about these amps. But I have a theory about the 80 watts. Type amp.
You take your run of the mill el-34 or 6L6 your looking at 18 to 20 watts output per tube.
So a Quad gives you your 80 watts.
A 100 watt amp or higher you now need tubes producing more power.
And the rule seems to be in life, the more faster, louder, higher, more better period costs a hell of a lot more. I have a Randall thrasher 50, it will run on el-34’s or 6L6’s or KT88’s
I tried them all 6L6GC’s you name it.
And what sounds the best ? The biggest ,baddest , most expensive tube my amp can run . The KT88
I just bought two Mesa branded KT88’s for a little bit over $200.00 dollars.
That’s insane, but so is the Tone. Isn’t that how tone junkies are supposed to act?
God Bless Bro,
yes interesting and informative! I checked the price it seems about $1,000 gets you that amp...very affordable imo!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Can you try with the load box and see if you get a good sound?
Yeah I can get a good sound pretty much with any gear 🕺😎👌.
Would have been great to hear this amp with your signature guitar
Coming 😎🤟.
Are you using a noise gate?.
Another quality vid by the way.
UK
Yeah I had Fortin Zuul in front just to get rid of the hiss. Thanks!
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Thanks Euge.
I always said EVH was
Like the Bruce Lee of
Rock guitar....always improving & experimenting
Never keeping still.
With guitars & amps.cabs.pedals Sounds.
RIP Eddie.
We salute you.
UK..
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I've heard a lot of people say it doesn't have the low end push that the 5150III has. What is your thought on that?
Can’t remember anymore 🤷😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V sounds like you didn't really care for the amp. Maybe I should just grab a Peavey Invective MH for full band setting lol
Oh I’ve done quite a lot of videos of so many amps that it’s quite impossible to remember them all. And especially what I thought about those amps 😎. I believe I did compare this only to my Block Letter.
@Euge Valovirta very true. Thank you for the response.
If you had to choose 5150 iconic or Dsl 100hr Marshall
So Good !! EVH sounds better to me
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Wweoooaaaaaw! I feel good! ~ that James Brown? 😂
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LOL
What spandex inducing song are ya playing there?
Just something I wrote for this video. I believe I named it ’The Iconic Song’ 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V 🤘
The old Peavey sounds better to my ear
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Fair enough. The Iconic sounds so close, and some say evern better with only 2 preamp-tubes. Amazing. I dont understand how Brown does it without a built in defacto OD-pedal like some other amps. Cheers!
Seems like Channel 1 would be great for classic rock and 80's hair metal and channel 2 will get you all other metal. 🤘😎🎸🏍
Killer review/demo Euge! I find, for under 1,000 USD, the Iconic is a bargain! You get decent clean, a great "brown sound" in the channel 1 w/ OD, serious high gain on Channel 2, a noise gate, and the boost. Add 4 6L6's, and the 1/4 power attenuator, and it's a killer amp. Also, it's a new amp. The 30 year old Peavy 5150's will need new caps, and whatever maintenance - IF you can find one in decent shape. And the brown "iconic" VH tones are in the Iconic, not the 5150 block, or even III amps.
The only issues I have are: it's a hybrid, and it's made in Chyna. No idea how it's built because nobody has done photos or video of the inside of it yet. Might be a lot of really cheap parts inside.
Thanks! Indeed 👌.
@@TheCyberMantis The iconic made in Vietnam not china. ironically the 6505 (yes even the new ones) are made in china
@@bigsauce1116 Iconic is made in China. I seen pics of the back of the head. Did they recently switch production facilities?
@@TheCyberMantis I guess they must have, because mine say Vietnam
I had a 5150 at one time in the past. I’ll tell you, unless you live out in the woods or you’re playing out in venues that amp really is too much for bedroom playing 😆 The neighbors can enjoy music inside or outside of their house.
Yes. It needs a load box if you want to play with it in your house.
Yeah it’s quite loud but not as loud as my old 800s 😎.
I play it along with my Dual Rec and 5150 3 Stealth 100 in my room. All you do is slightly turn the post JUST until it comes alive. It’s plenty quiet to play in a small room like that. You know what else I do though that helps? I switch my cab to stereo so it only comes out of two speakers and I hook up another head for the other two and use an ABY switch. Can play them both at the same time too.
I have a block letter 5150. What I do is pull two power tubes and then with an eq in the loop I can get the volume pretty house friendly and still sounding great. I’m not a metal guy though, more VH and 80s rock.
"Funky guy" 😂😂
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A + Tone
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I have a chance to buy this head with it’s matching 4x12 cab for 1100 U.S. dollars.
Should we ????
Its a great amp ! but most of the video's, and demo's Ive seen, the mid's are the only problem where you have to use a eq pedal !
The big difference would certainly be durability long term. Seeing those tiny transformers in the Iconic, and the price point, guarantee it's full of inexpensive, high tolerance parts. Egnater learned the hard way about small, inexpensive, foreign transformers. One amp here will last, one wont. Mil Spec Soldanos and Bogners are expensive for a reason.
I can see why people prefer the OG; right up to the point where you have 6, count ‘em SIX, preamp tubes that will eventually need replacement. Have you seen what tubes are going for these days?! I’ll stick with the Iconic, thank you.
Preamp tubes aren’t that expensive and they last usually years and since OG is cold biased the power amp tubes last long too. I just replaced all and the last time was probably like 10 years ago 😎👌.
Evh👍
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"Sounds like Scheisse! " 🤣🤣 22:40min
He lives in Switzerland now so he has to speak more German, haha
@@jng1226 Or he could go Japanese and say: "kuso!"
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Its really a matter of preference , I prefer the 6L6 tubes over the el34s but thats just me .
Indeed.
The zakk wylde"ish" harmonics and vibrato on that guitar, made me confused
Billy Gibbons for me. Or he is the one I heard first doing those back in the day and it kinda stucked 😁.
The 'real' 5150 sounds a million times better 🤘👍
Yep
No.
Can’t argue with personal opinions. But I have to admit that the OG is always the OG 😎.
"a million times better"... guitarrists... 😂
@@dantredogborsa7048 😆
Block letter sounds better to me
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The Iconic has its mids focused at a lower frequency, however the character of the amp is basically the same.
The question is, in a full mix, would you be able to listen to it and go: "Ahhh, that one's definitely a 5150 Iconic and not a blockletter?"
Indeed. No 😎.
Euge so did you actually like the Iconic or? You kinda left it out of the conclusion. Haha. Or are you just indifferent to the amp?
I was wondering the same
Yeah it did the job great 🤟💪.
Legend!
Euge this is a great video I have the Iconic head for about a year now ,I love it its just great a sounding amp ,u did a very informative video bro appreciate u man u are a great player also iam 62 year old metal head and could understand all your points and opinion 😀 🎸🎛🥁✌️🍻
Great to hear! Thanks man!