Introducing the Violoncello da Spalla
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Sigiswald Kuijken talks about and demonstrates the now 'extinct' violoncello da spalla (essentially a cello played under one's chin) in advance of a performance with the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment.
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this looks like 1/4 cello my brother used to play
SydneyChung it is
@@ricochet4674 but not exactly, it seems the dimensions are different, and the c doesn't sound as farty as a 1/4 size cello.
@@galenhanlyhefferman8764 It has a much deeper body than a 1/4 Size Cello so the C String sounds much fuller & bigger. Quite a bit improvement over those 1/4 size Cellos
0:48 Yes! I'll be able to tell every person who says that the viola is a big violin that actually, the violin is a small viola! Checkmate TwoSet!
What a privilege to see this great musician play and what an extraordinary instrument!
When a violin player plays a viola.
lol
I don't get it. You mean a cello?
@papa_pt Cellos are an octave lower than violas so when a violinists plays a viola they think it is lower than it actually is. (I am a bassist and cellist idk why I can somehow relate.)
Now I get why people say that Bach's cello suites is easier to play on the viola rather than the cello, if it was played on a Violoncello da spalla in the beginning
I never knew such an instrument existed
According to iconography similar instruments exists since the Middle Ages
Check out badiarov violins he has a TH-cam channel he promotes it the most and makes this instrument badiarovviolins.com/jp/violoncellos_da_spalla/
That Violoncello isn't near big as it should be to properly resonate low notes, but it's low register sounds... Not full, but colorful, very raspy low notes are somehow charming.
Yep... gut strings.
any idea what the wave length is for an E on a cello? i think you would be amazed at the size of a resonant space in the lower octave or two. yes the resonant space affects tone but it's more of a tonal color or "equalizer" than a proper resonant space just like an electric guitar still sounds like a guitar with no resonant space. ( theres a whole series of videos on where the tone comes from in an electric guitar)
@@danisyx5804
On a full size cello you'll probably want a 1/8 or 1/10 size bass string. Don't remember the specific E string I used (Obligatos?) but as far as tone goes it was still robust. The instrument was a cheap basswood cello (that's a tonewood warmer than spruce.) Didn't quite have the volume of larger basses but most instruments should be able to resonate nicely below C.
Main issues with a Cello->Bass conversion is difficulty getting decent bass strings at such small lengths (a heavy gauge Cello C can act as the G.) and you're going to want machine tuners on the lowest string (something I didn't do.) The E can be very sensitive to pitch and wouldn't recommend steel strings because of it. There is also the fact of excess tension on the body with the heavier tuning. Added an additional sound post towards the bass side as a precaution but this doesn't solve the pressure on the neck unfortunately. GDAE (2 oct below violin) is probably the better choice for tonality and safety for anyone going lower than C.
To wrap up; my experience transforming a cello into a bass was fairly positive and liked the sound more than the standard tuning for that instrument. The cello sounded closer to a bass but without the body it had a more "direct", wooded tone, bland. GDAE should let you to keep more of the instrument's tonal properties and doesn't extend the bass so far down to reduce the effects of its own sound coloring.
Full Sized Cellos are big enough for those low notes to speak clearly, but this is a scaled down version of the Baroque Cello that's slung on a Strap.
I'm a cello player and I want one of those so much now
This, absolutely, rocks.
I have to wonder how often he hits himself in the head with that bow, playing like that.
& That's all folks!
Sigiswald makes the baroque universe an extra exiting place to wander.
sounds awesome and ruddy and cool.
I didn't know that James May plays the cello
This does seem like precisely the kind of niche contrarianism that he'd be favorable toward.
Here's a longer video showing what the instrument sounds like: th-cam.com/video/wbH3JYfRjOQ/w-d-xo.html
Why does it have a four string tailpiece and five pegs? What's the other peg for?
Some baroque cellos can be set up with five strings (the extra one is a high E; even though it's not a smaller instrument it's called a "violoncello piccolo"). But you use a different bridge and tailpiece because those can be changed easily, but the headstock has five holes in it so most people keep the peg in there. Same with the Spalla.
Thanks for the explanation.
@@ThomasDawkins88 thank you for the explanation. I was wondering the same thing.
@@ThomasDawkins88 I feel like deja vu - person called Dawkins is explaining some odd things with evolution XD Thanks in fact)
That "other peg" is the "High 'E' String".
It's almost as if it were a hobbit's 'cello. it looks so incongruous, it sounds great. Fantastic explanation from a great musician.
That looks like a real pain in the neck to play.
it actually.... doesn't! Modern chin fiddles are literally a pain in the neck. This guy doesn't even need to use his neck to play!
I think is just the opposite
I don't know this instrument in particular, but bowed string instruments are usually less heavy than what it seems.
The wood that is used for making instruments in the violin family is extraordinarily light. My violoncello ("cello" for short) weighs only about as much as a gallon of milk by iself.
but baroque violin playing is actually pain in your THUMB or A WHOLE LEFT HAND, as you have no shoulder/chin rest to support your instrument. You need to rely on your thumb on controlling the positions.
What a sweet old man, you can tell he loves his Big Viola.
Reminds me of the viola pomposa which I heard when I was a kid.
sorry... the what now?
Like the sound of it, it has a different quality...thanks for sharing, I didn't even know this instrument existed 💖
YES!!!! Thank you... Awesome, I'm so happy that this video is here to set the records straight
This is the coolest string instrument!!
Looking forward to seeing him perform on April 1 in Saint Paul
Saint Paul, MN?
+OrchestraEnlighten *Thanks for a demo of a once-needful string.* My idea of a Viola would be a fretless five-string splitting the difference between the current alto _Viola d'orquestra_ and the _Violoncello da spalla_ - I'm actually used to guitar fingering and find the _Violino_ too tight for consistency. :-D
very good video thx
Cool. I encountered one of these yesterday and come to find out more. :)
Would love to try it! Rather ergonomical (compared to the violin posture).
i love its sounds
How are there five tuning pegs but only four strings? Does one string have an extra peg?
How i imagine a giant playing the cello like a violin
You can literally see the end peg I thought it was like a thic viola
I wonder how this compares with the French quinte de violon. The quinte seems to be tuned a fourth higher, but otherwise similar in size.
The quinte de violon and violoncello da Spalla are similar in size ( I don't remember exactly which source mentions it, but it was a french author who said something like "en tous points semblable à notre quinte de violon, accordé une octave en-dessous", I'll try to find that back!)
Very interesting! Where I am from we call this instrument a "Percalino"
really? cool! where is that? and what does it mean?
what about double bass shaped cello, or viola or violin... hm?
Try checking "The New Violin Family" where they feature every instrument proportioned to that of a violin.
The bass instruments of the family seem to have more power but they do not possess the same tonal qualities as a cello or bass..... The latter often capable of a heartier, mellow tone.
That would be a viol :)
Oh my i just wonder how you can play that in that position!!
Oooo that's a big viola!
i want one!!!
May I ask why does it have four strings but five tuning pegs?
Epico.
Considering taking up violin but this suits my personality and tonal preference much more :-D
The Violoncello, for people who can’t decide if they want to play the cello or the guitar.
우유바나나4 | cello or viola/violin
well no, it's still tuned in fifth and has no fret.
A correct middle spot would be a viola da gamba.
violoncello is literally the full name of an actual cello lmao
From his explanation, it seems it was the "lead guitar" of the 18th century.
I thought that in mideviel paintings just painted violins weird I didn’t know it was this instrument
It seems to have more fundamental in its sound, and less harmonic power. He is also playing with very little vibrato, which, to my ear is less tiring than the over vibrato used in violin playing.
Ed il contrabbasso da spalla ?
Can i pull this off with a 1/2 size cello?
You could if you have long arms. The body on this instrument is the same size as a 1/8 cello.
Curious: It as 4 strings, but 5 pegs, why?
The real viola
Where does he get his hair cut?
Probably the same place Martyn Poliakoff gets his
I think I heard of this instrument.
Violo? Nice
i was kind of panicking then i realized there was a strap around the neck and that calmed my fears lol
In case you might wonder how this instrument sounds when used to it’s full capabilities: th-cam.com/video/NSU6Ylxaobs/w-d-xo.html
The "Violoncello da Spalla" (an Instrument with five strings) was also called the "Viola Pomposa"; invented by J.S. Bach himself for his unaccompanied 'Suite No. 6" in D Major.
Suite no 6 un d mayor
Now that's a knife! 🤣
as a cellist this was weirdly disturbing to watch lmao
Viola for giants
“What did the Violist say to the Violoncellist?”
“You’re sh*t” 🤣
What register is this instrument? I know the viola matches the alto voice register and the cello matches the tenor voice register but where does this fit?
Cello is not a tenor instrument it is a bass instrument.
Violino piccolo = sopranino
Violin = soprano
viola = alto
Viola da spalla = tenor
violoncello = bass
violone =double bass
it looks like a 1/16 cello
This is automatically what anyone who does not play will do with a cello
If they are a giant, maybe!
How would you even manage to?
i thought they had 5 strings
It has 5 pegs, so it can be turned into a 5 string instrument easily. Probably the top string was not needed for what they were performing.
Vibrato @ 2:45
It's a scaled down version of the Baroque Cello that's worn on a Strap.
I would accidentally stab my eyes ahah
Where's the 5th string? The peg is there.
I made one of these out of a cello and a seatbelt.
I was there in the audience and I can see/hear why the instrument demised in favour of the viola/cello 200 years ago! He is a master at this instrument and he could not "wring out" the emotions the other two instruments are capable of.
+pietalpha2 Well, i think his main contribution was being the first musician who reconstruct the possible form of violincello during the 17th and first half of 18th century. When this instrument was finally reconstructed in 2004, he was already 60 years old. I think the job of "wringing out the emotions" might be done by the following performers.
Ummmm, no. Search for Sergey Malov...
Malov got his violoncello da spalla from the violin maker Badiarov, who is Kuijken's student and reconstructed da spalla with him. Please do some research before replying the wrong information.
@@kan-hsuehchiang3819 there was no wrong information here
I just put octave strings on a spare violin- now I can do something similar, but it fits under my chin. 😁
It must be very tiring to play that thing.
how so? he doesn't have to hold up the instrument with his shoulder or jaw, it is secured by strap.
Mmmmm
Ancestor of the viola!
right, no need to give your beginner baby cello away!
violin + cello = this. celolin.
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Transcript: (Korean)
Sounds good, but the playing position is awful.
Position similar to a guitar.........
Technique similar to a violin..........
Sounds like a cello..........
Interesting...............
Will I be banished from the channel if I admit that I don't particularly like this instrument?
Nice effort, a bit far fetched to state that Bach actually wrote the cello suites for this instruments. I heard samoples of a complete recording of the suites by a much younger player/luthier. The 6th suite sounds great, which could possibly be written for this instrument but the other suites sound terrible! Aweful, like a bassoon. I doubt Bach wants to write music for a string instrument to sound like a Bassoon, or he would have written suites for Bassoon instead. I think it is an option to use da spalla to play these suites but hardly the ideal. Bach wrote the music with lots of deep bass notes, requiring the full resonance of a much larger instrument to give the pseudo-polyphonic effect of the suites and give a much richer sound that is required for this type of music. This is not the violin sonatas/partitas. I also heard the latter played by violoncello piccolo by Bylsma and it also does not that good, because it is intended for the violin, for high registers mainly. So he knew exactly what instruments he wanted the music to be played by.
In other words, it should sound like what you are used to, right?
bilbo baggins needs a hobbit sized violin.....
Wtf
Silly baroque dudes!
hobbit playing normal sized violin????!
sizes are too deep to be a normal one... keep dreaming
Am I the only one who is annoyed that he is playing a cello like a violin
That’s how this is supposed to be played. That’s what the “da spalla” refers to.
@@salamonthegreat it’s actually not…. That’s literally a cello but he’s playing it like a cello…. I play the cello, I should know how it’s supposed to be played
@@chelsea_1623 this is a different instrument to the modern cello. It is a baroque experimental instrument and is designed to be played over the shoulder. It's way smaller than a modern cello. Your absolute ignorance to information provided to you is astonishing.
Someone who found a fractional sized cello and doesn't really know how to play it correctly.
Quote (german):
"Der Violinist und Komponist Franz Benda (1709-1786) schrieb: „Dies Instrument ist wie ein Violoncell gestimmt, hat aber in der Höhe eine Sayte mehr, ist etwas größer als eine Bratsche, und wird mit einem Bande so befestiget, daß man es vor der Brust und auf dem Arme halten kann. Der selige Kapellmeister Herr Bach in Leipzig hat es erfunden.“"
Source: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viola_pomposa
Touché !
For those who do not read German, ""The violinist and composer Franz Benda (1709-1786) wrote:" This instrument is tuned like a cello, but has a say in the height, is slightly larger than a viola, and is fastened with a tie so that you can do it in front of the chest and holding in his arms The Blessed Kapellmeister Herr Bach in Leipzig invented it. ""
@@Renshen1957 Not your fault, but Google Translate failed in a couple of places here: "hat aber in der Höhe eine Sayte mehr" = but it has one additional string at the higher end of the range.
"daß man es vor der Brust und auf dem Arme halten kann" = [so] that one can hold it in front of one's chest and in one's arms.
Disliked for putting an unremovable video recommendation right over the text at the end of the video.
Smaller body...
...same shit sound.
this looks like 1/4 cello my brother used to play