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@@khushichadha512 college alone is pretty useless if all you have is the degree,and not the right skills, college doesn't teach you skills, you've to acquire it yourself
@@MEJOVA if people keep interest in learning after formal education then degree adds to the bonus. Obviously their are alot of self taught data scientist but without structure of college it is difficult and aerospace courses requires lab work you can't afford as general public
@@khushichadha512 It's not like he is there only because of iitb. He has been a prodigy since childhood. College name doesn't matter anyways. A good college provides good environment, that's all.
For those looking to build a career in tech, degree might not be necessary. But certain professions like Law(my area), Medicine, Pharmacy still require a college education.
Even then, while the degree requirements for medicine/law/etc. are formal in those industries, degree requirements are informal but no less real in most other knowledge economy industries. I wish it wasn't this way, but it is. For every Musk or Thiel telling you to drop out, there's a hundred other CEO's refusing to talk to anyone without a degree, and often a prestigious one at that.
LOLOL. I could learn to be a nurse or doctor on the job more easily than I could learn how to build technology from scratch also, there are states one can become an attorney WITHOUT attending Law school. but good luck becoming a licensed, professional engineer without a degree.
For anyone trying to get an actual education, please don't waste your time like I did going to an university in any western countries... and go to an eastern country's university. Apparently they still value knowledge and proper education. For example, look at any Russian university's CS, Math and Physics curriculums or whatever curriculum for whatever degree you want to study, and then compare that with your country's universities. Don't tell me the difference isn't staggering. It is absurd that what we have in the west is still considered an "education". It is an insult to those who came before us and actually went to institutions that still cared about teaching real information.
My ex-wife was placed in her position in the IT department of a Law Firm by the Senior Partner because of her skills during a massive technology shift. She had the skills to helps the company make this move successfully. She remained there for almost 20 years. The firm later got a new HR director who looked at her resume and said she had no degree and had to be fired. She objected and explained the senior partner had placed her there well knowing what her degree status was. He had retired but still owned the major share of the company. He backed her against the HR newbie. The HR department lost in a way. During a later company restructuring her spot had been classified as needing a degree. But with the biggest stock holder in the company backing her she couldn't be fired. The deal she got was she had been with the company for over 20 years. She was asked to retire with a 2 year salary bonus. 2 year medical coverage and substantial retirement bonus for longevity. She took it as she was pretty well done with the company anyway and moved into a plumb job at another firm, all with better benefits.
I agree but sadly most companies use automated resume machines that throw away your resume if you don't have a degree And HR almost always post a degree as a requirement so .... I do agree that you can learn skills without a degree but it's rare to get a job without one.
I hope these major corporations/companies practice what they preach, because in reality they not only list degree as an absolute essential to apply for a job but also expect an above 65 and sometimes above 75% aggregate.
for me, the whole point of College/University is to meet likeminded ppl (aka networking) and then start from there. The rest (learning, researching) you can do on your own.
@Satyam 12A aa tells that to my professors, 2 research papers / 4000 words each and a 1 on 1 presentation. I still have dreams about that. And dude is never in his office when we ask for help.
@Satyam 12A aa I think it depends what your learning. University for sure has value and its the set qualification for good jobs. Today, with many informal courses and flexible learning online, it is great for mature students like me. There are also many options for young people too. I find some of the curriculum for some business degrees in higher education rather boring. I don't want to learn What is a business? I know what it is. But yeah uni will always be relevant. I am on innovative approved courses outside the formal higher education system to get some great education that I believe can actually compete with an academic degree. But it's amazing legit universities are offering free short courses to anyone that wants to learn. I can choose subjects am interested in. It's great for mature learners.
I don't think they fall under the category; Jobs that are highly practical skill-intensive will need some form of college certification for determining one's merit in the field (diagnosing ailments and disorders).
@@justinequizon7257 STEM is: Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics. Tech is encompassed within STEM. But there are other disciplines within STEM that require a college education. Tech itself, is not the entirety of STEM fields. So they aren't interchangeable.
I think you only can be useful for a software job but University do have a lot of High cost machines and variety of other equipment to make the student more well versed with the industry which could be nearly impossible in learning online or from books
@@mehuljain5916 Exactly the comment I was looking for. I feel like this narrative about "useless degrees" are only or mostly valid for software jobs. I also feel like the fact that nowadays a lot things are centered around software people quickly jump to the conclusion that degrees are useless. But there is also hardware. I graduated in RF/Microwave systems and I am now an RF Characterization Engineer and in my field university and degrees are useful. You can learn the basics on internet, but when you work with hardware internet is far from being enough. I think we should have a more accurate speech about this topic and not just turn this into a binary problem. We shouldn't just say that degrees are useless, it depends of what you want to do. Engineers and Technicians who work at NXP, Infineon, TSMC, Apple, Tesla and other hardware companies have degrees and these degrees are useful. Also, the school system needs to be rebuild to be in phase of what is going on now
To the *worthwhile person* seeing this, your dream is not dead. Don’t allow the past and current pains and hurts stop and define you. You’re more than a conqueror. Rise up and put yourself together. Keep pushing your future depends on it. I wish you all the best in life ❤.
Wonderful research- love your work. I did have a problem though with some of the perceptions of having a degree vs. not having one. I have a Masters and been in the workforce for many of years and have seen one-offs that have the drive and talent without a degree. However, more than less the people without a degree most likely will not complete long term goals and have misplaced agendas. This didn’t mean they wouldn’t be able to “get it” but it sure meant that the companies would be taking a bigger risk on hiring long term skilled employees, something more valuable because of the higher chance of making a company successful. Just my thoughts. Cheers
Another wonderful video Cindy!! I’m a big fan and continue to enjoy your content. I agree and believe preparation for STEM careers could take place through Google courses, Khan Academy, Skill Share, Brilliant, etc. rather than the traditional path.
most of the school on our country are starting to forget that information are becoming financially free and simply they're starting to turn into a middleman. get info at google, price it up and tell it to students.
I think what people fail to realize is these super successful people that dropped out wanted to focus more on their companies. Those successful guys are the minority of the people that dropped out, while the majority failed or are living normal lives. Not everyone can learn on their own because they can easily get side tracked, not only that but not a lot people has access to internet connection or the equipment necessary for the jobs that they want. Take for example the Philippines, most of the job requirements that is required to be part of any government branch are: you need to know how to read and write, be a Filipino citizen, etc. There's literally a walking meme running for President, he's super unqualified and isn't fit for the job. Not only that but there are many unqualified people working in the government.
Unless you have successfully launched a business and made millions, which may not happen if you have both creativity and talent, you need a degree to prove you know what you know. And even if you can prove what you know, the hiring managers have to choose by eliminating from the group of qualified candidates and that is where they use degrees and pedigree to shortlist
I have a friend that studied data science in university and intern to work at microsoft and 99% of the stuff she learnt is not even used in the job. It is all about learning what to do at the job. In the past university is just a way to pass on knowledge to those who wanted to learn more but now it became a status.
it's easy to say college is unnecessary when you're incredibly intelligent, but there are still incredible undergraduate programs that prepare students well for life after college. I would support 2-3 years of college, as 4 years is pretty long. for example, if you're going to major in business, just have students come in and do 2 years. maybe 2.5 to 3, but it's not really necessary to do 4
Great video 👌 I personally believe one has to make this choice on their own based on whether they think the university experience will be of value to them or not and will it help them advance in the career they're interested in, most professions in today's day & age don't require a four year degree but a few do and these are the ones which require people to put in even more time than the regular four year courses (Master's and then PhD/Superspeciality). So it's up to the individual to decide and highly dependent on the career path they're interested in pursuing. Gaining education/knowledge is extremely important, now whether that's done through self education or institutionalised education, that's up to the individual. By the time people reach college they're mature enough to make such decisions on their own, so rather than completely focussing on the college issue, we should focus more on the K-12 education system as to how it can be improved, the education be made more conceptual & intellectual and how the spark of creativity that kids naturally have not be doused by the teaching methods of the archaic education system that we currently have. If the foundation is strong then anything of value can be built on it and in more ways than one. Gee, this comment became way too long 😬😂
Honestly they are right to do so. Imagine 2 people 1 with and 1 without degree but both doing the same course and 1 with no course no degree learnt it all online. The 2 people who did the same course are both great employees just one was teachers pet more and both of them had more money
Universities/Colleges were supposed to be a place of higher education/learning not a place of higher pleasure. Also most HR dept in companies have no clue to what actually the business is and wants.
So they went to college and tell people not to go. Most "free" stuff is essentially worth what you pay for it. I really put this right up there with CEOs who became CEO's by job hopping and then turn right around and tell people NOT to job hop.
I think it just depends, if you feel like you're enjoying what you're studying and you actually feel you're not just sitting in a class staring at thin air, then going to a university is the way to go. But if you feel like you're just slogging through your classes, only to complete your assignments and what not, then university is not a place for you.
Well for everything u need a confirmation degree is like a confirmation that this guy knows well about this subject or has this skill making things easier of others to know or differentiate differently skilled people
getting a degree is not worthless, although there are some degrees out there that are worthless. But it is true to start a business you don't need education, you just need the tenacity to research and figure out everything you need to do to get your business started. if you're good at saving money, you can always hire people who have more knowledge than you do to build your product. I started my own company and I have an LLC getting ready to change it over to an s-corp, I've done my own trademark without needing a lawyer, I do all kinds of legal stuff as well as everything else necessary to start a business. There's plenty of websites out there that will tell you what to do
cause they're CEO. they couldn't give a damn about someone education or not. they're not the ones who are hiring. nor that they're directly work with them. these CEOs work with executives and managers who are already in expert level. so yeah college degree is irrelevant at that point.
This is utter non sense. The example show a few exceptional individuals and not the means of the engineers. The best keep secret in Silicon Valley is that if you want to make money take employment with one of the large corporation (Google, Apple, Facebook etc.) and stay there at least 20 years. There is no way any startup will match the stock appreciation you can get by saving your shares from employment. It is less glamorous but it works better. It also misses the point of education. Give you a broad knowledge, I am aghast of the approach of education as utilitarian i.e. you get educated to get a job, I am not denying there is some value there but there is a much larger value in general knowledge that enables you to understand a very varied domain knowledge and think out of the box. As for the cost of education, it should be free, It is free in a lot of countries (France, Germany etc.) and guess what that is were you have the most meritocracy. Society is flexible and social class break apart. Education cost is aa way to prevent social mobility. Look at Elon Musk example he built a super school for his child and then quickly closed it down so that no one else can benefit…
I don't think people understand that the chance to make it without a degree is small and so difficult that if you don't have the drive to make it through uni, you won't have what it takes to be the one hit wonder
For anyone thinking to drop out; These people were geniuses most people need that degree to get an office job in insurance or marketing to live out their meager life, not everyone is a Gates or a Musk; get real.
I respectfully disagree with the ceos here University degrees are not at all irrelevant if we want to go into medical fields then who will give us human organs while studying their anatomy, Only medical colleges will provide that. If i want to become a researcher then i will offcourse need labs to perform my practicals and analyse data.. In CS i can somewhat agree to the idea that degree is useless but what about chemical engineering , you can't learn that with just a laptop you need hands on experience , you need live interactions with the professors... Its high time people stop showing only one side of the coin and completely disregard the other side.
"$63,000/year average for high-growth, high-paying fields" What? I make that just moving boxes around a warehouse with only a HS diploma. I also plan on studying a trade like electrician which will pay in the 6 figures. There are plumbers making $200k a year. I want to thank all these people for their choice in going to college making my opportunities pay what I'm worth.
@@xDeFc0nxYou must be a fact checker. Shame you guys don't know anything. Do you need to see my W2 or is it the 6 figures for a trade that you don't believe in. People don't want to do manual labor anymore so they pay more for the people that do. Supply and demand it's not a new concept.
Aaron, you can't argue that college grads make more on average. it's not a point that. you can argue and win. give it up. there are singers who make $10M/year, and there are singers who make $12000/year. come on, man!
These guys have much more talent than most, and it is there talent, not their learning which got them to the top of the heap. One prescription does not fit all…
Sent this to my children for their children. Do you know of online programs for my 5 year old granddaughter to assist with her job on the moon, or Mars?
I had a question that : I'm also interested in those Google Certificate Program and I'm willing to do them. However, after I finish them and nail my interview, would I be granted with a working Visa or stuff to work in Google USA, particularly their NYC HQ. Because I live in India and I want to work for Google while staying in USA not here. If anyone knows about it please tell me. I'm planning to work there for temporarily after my school ends. If Newsthink ever sees this comment then do tell me
Now try applying for a fortune 500 company without having a degree, or look at the education background these CEOs have... People like to use examples like Mark Zuckerberg being a college dropout but he dropped out from Harvard. Can you get into Harvard in the first place? Even if so, do you have a billion dollar idea like Mark Zuckerberg have?
As someone from rich family, only go to uni because you should challenge yourself and develop yourself and to build friendships that will most likely last a long long time. However, that’s a privileged statement. For someone who does not go to uni and not from rich…. It’s hard for them to step up. So… this world is always perfectly troubled because us humans are so smart we always have a solution for one problem.
I think degrees are important ,but in tech and business not really , for doctors and engineers Degree is a absolute must , the amount of knowledge if you try to learn at home will take you so much more time and effort for STEM Fields. I am programmer and calling programmers Engineers is very misleading , even truck drivers can become programmers learning from youtube (I am also self-taught) but you cannot become a doctor from youtube.
Sadly, we are still pressured to go to college to get a job. 😞 But ofc, if you want to be an engineer or a doctor, nurse or surgeon, you need a degree. 😐
Skills + Discipline + Patience + Hard work = Success! no other degree program is gonna tell you otherwise edit: Luck is irrelevant, because it favors the Bold
Knowing all this, I still want to do an MBA. Reasearch the process for someone who is genuinely interested in a 3rd world country. The only obvious path is MBA, the worst of all higher education
While this may be true, try get a tech job without a degree. I graduated with a bachelor of information technology in 1992, it is not very relevant to what I do today.
Almost everything is available online for free or nearly free. No one needs professors or universities… except for lab training. We should be gathering together on our own at the park (or wherever) to learn with each other. Great minds have already put all we need to know in books, ya know. These massively expensive institutions are good for one thing: PROVING that you learned something (a biology degree from MIT is indeed a strong indication to an employee that you’re knowledgeable about biology). But lab training is an issue… During your self study you’d occasionally need access to expensive lab equipment in order to test your hypotheses, but lab skills is something that undergraduates shouldn’t even be thinking about anyways. You should be able to go to a 20 minute interview with the department chair to get access to lab equipment. Twenty minutes really should be enough for a professor to know whether or not you know your stuff well enough to start lab training. Aside from lab skills training (especially dangerous lab skills) universities are truly useless.
T robert smif. Education will always have it uses. Have to have formal credentials always be useful or everyone would just walk around with no higher education. Non formal education programs Am all for it and those will probably be more and more. I also believe that the traditional degree and higher education could be cheaper from new organisations. I am doing a non formal non traditional business program. I would say it's one of the best non traditional business schools around. And the content could probably be able to compete with most traditional education. The options are great for anyone to get good education now for different age groups. But traditional will always have a place.
Fantastic! Let Elon design his SpaceX rockets without a team of M.S. level engineers! Liberal Art Colleges and their crappy degrees, OK. Get rid of 'em! But, hard Scientists and Engineers need an organized period of both formal theoretical and supervised practical learning. Then going to the M.S. and Ph.D. degrees is a choice that may be delayed at convenience.
University is relevant to those who meet the academic prowess required, Universities should not be peddling to the lowest potential but to the higher standard. Dropping entrance requirements to fields including education, law and medicine cheapens the quality of the qualification. A number of graduates who perform well at University fail to succeed in a career. Some, who are mediocre at academics do sustain themselves in established careers. Furthermore, careers in accounting and law should be accessible through completion of Articles and sitting the bar examinations. Universities, establish a barrier to entry only accessible to those whom can afford the fees. This means that Universities groom a culture, cultivate a certain type of lawyer or accountant(economist or analyst). With the demise of the Articled programs, loyalty to the firm is no longer a cocern, job hopping becomes the norm. Fewer individuals with a calling to serve in a just career are sidelined, thus access to legal or accounting advice is restricted to only those privileged enough to afford the services of these graduates.
The people telling you that college isn't necessory, are the very same people that didn't finish it, or even start. You'll never legitimately hear that from someone that actually has a college degree.
I learned coding in college in the 70s, but I was an embedded systems guy. I'm wracking my brain, but I'm having trouble finding a reason that my step-daughter, who's in law school, should learn coding. Anybody have an idea?
smart contracts is my first guess. If someone is able to communicate with IT on a technical level, but also has a profound knowledge of law that would be a very very useful skillset 👌
@@RobertMJohnson Yes, I agree, different but related questions. I used the word "should" only because Tim Cook (according to the video) used that word. I still think his is a myopic exaggeration, and I stand by my original question. My step-son, who's studying architecture, uses CAD programs every day. I do see a use for him to understand them at a more technical level, especially if he's writing things akin to macros, and to understand at a deeper level, the strengths and limitations of the particular programs he's choosing/using. Back to my step-daughter... As @Trayce Lost alluded, were she to be going into patent or IP law, I totally agree. However, her technical strengths pretty much stop at posting Instagram selfies and her word processor. Her interest in gadgets mostly involves the features of her iPhone. (And she's marvelous at that!!) At this time, well into her 2nd year, she's about as far away from coding as I am at preparing, or even understanding, a legal brief. As a lawyer I think she'll be totally fine without learning any coding.
Oh, give me a break! He says university degrees are worthless but for his jobs, he's asking for skills and experience that can only be gained if you have at least a PhD!!
0:41 "Colleges are not for learning" I am not a big fan of Elon but this is well said. I always knew that there is something wrong with higher education. I mean compared with the high school where the teachers actually try to teach you something. At the Universities and Colleges they expect you to know things but they don't wanna teach them.
Yeah if only there was Google professional certificate back then, it would teach what you need to know anyways. Based on my around 10 years experience big companies non bullshit jobs won't even call you for interview anyways even with a degree might as well just study for knowledge you're interested in don't bother with jobs there's none
They say we don't need a degree , of course , that is true , we just need to have the skills of subjects that we are studying like engineering or medicine. Some of us must go to college and university because we still need more engineers , chemists , pharmasist , computer-scientists and lawyers. But the way of teaching should be more developed and useless things should be excluded.
They say all that, but where do you think Tesla recruits at? Not at your local state college that's for sure. Degrees as stupid, yes, but we are far far far from jobs considering them obsolete.
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Are you a Elon Musk channel?
@@2k7Bertram
It seems so. No matter how stupid are Elon opinions are, here they will be celebrated as they were spoken by the Messiah.
CEOs: University degrees are becoming irrelevant!
Also CEOs: we would only hire those with a silver-spoon resume, preferably with a Masters
New Twitter ceo is from India's top university iitb. College is not completely useless but college tuition is such a let down
@@khushichadha512 college alone is pretty useless if all you have is the degree,and not the right skills, college doesn't teach you skills, you've to acquire it yourself
@@MEJOVA if people keep interest in learning after formal education then degree adds to the bonus. Obviously their are alot of self taught data scientist but without structure of college it is difficult and aerospace courses requires lab work you can't afford as general public
@@MEJOVA Don't treat CEOs as god.
@@khushichadha512 It's not like he is there only because of iitb. He has been a prodigy since childhood. College name doesn't matter anyways. A good college provides good environment, that's all.
For those looking to build a career in tech, degree might not be necessary. But certain professions like Law(my area), Medicine, Pharmacy still require a college education.
Even then, while the degree requirements for medicine/law/etc. are formal in those industries, degree requirements are informal but no less real in most other knowledge economy industries. I wish it wasn't this way, but it is. For every Musk or Thiel telling you to drop out, there's a hundred other CEO's refusing to talk to anyone without a degree, and often a prestigious one at that.
If you will be working on real hardware Techs you need an University degree, you or this pedantic CEOs like it or not.
LOLOL. I could learn to be a nurse or doctor on the job more easily than I could learn how to build technology from scratch
also, there are states one can become an attorney WITHOUT attending Law school. but good luck becoming a licensed, professional engineer without a degree.
a real-life scorner in the book of Proverbs
For anyone trying to get an actual education, please don't waste your time like I did going to an university in any western countries... and go to an eastern country's university. Apparently they still value knowledge and proper education. For example, look at any Russian university's CS, Math and Physics curriculums or whatever curriculum for whatever degree you want to study, and then compare that with your country's universities. Don't tell me the difference isn't staggering. It is absurd that what we have in the west is still considered an "education". It is an insult to those who came before us and actually went to institutions that still cared about teaching real information.
My ex-wife was placed in her position in the IT department of a Law Firm by the Senior Partner because of her skills during a massive technology shift. She had the skills to helps the company make this move successfully. She remained there for almost 20 years. The firm later got a new HR director who looked at her resume and said she had no degree and had to be fired. She objected and explained the senior partner had placed her there well knowing what her degree status was. He had retired but still owned the major share of the company. He backed her against the HR newbie. The HR department lost in a way. During a later company restructuring her spot had been classified as needing a degree. But with the biggest stock holder in the company backing her she couldn't be fired. The deal she got was she had been with the company for over 20 years. She was asked to retire with a 2 year salary bonus. 2 year medical coverage and substantial retirement bonus for longevity. She took it as she was pretty well done with the company anyway and moved into a plumb job at another firm, all with better benefits.
Your wife must be pretty talented for a person who doesn't have a degree
Elon is either an idiot or evil. Or a mixture of both.
I just enrolled to the Google Project Management: Professional Certificate. Thank you for inspiring me into taking this step! I agree with this video!
What is that
@@amrit5679 online certificate
DOes it charge you money to take the lessons and get the cert..?
@@sexymary you will get a certificate either could be free or paid
Where can I take the course? through coursera?
I agree but sadly most companies use automated resume machines that throw away your resume if you don't have a degree And HR almost always post a degree as a requirement so .... I do agree that you can learn skills without a degree but it's rare to get a job without one.
HR is the biggest impediment to hiring technical staff. They search for reasons nit to hire, and not reasons to hire. In the UK only.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ how's the salary in UK
@@amrit5679 shit
@@amrit1870 really?
@@amrit5679 yes, especially compared to living costs and rest of the developed countries. Also quite high taxes.
I hope these major corporations/companies practice what they preach, because in reality they not only list degree as an absolute essential to apply for a job but also expect an above 65 and sometimes above 75% aggregate.
Elon : "Degree is useless"
Also Elon : "a PhD from an ivy league and 69 years of experience needed to work just above minimum wage in Tesla"
😂😂😂
A university is just a group of buildings gathered around a library
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for me, the whole point of College/University is to meet likeminded ppl (aka networking) and then start from there. The rest (learning, researching) you can do on your own.
@Satyam 12A aa tells that to my professors, 2 research papers / 4000 words each and a 1 on 1 presentation. I still have dreams about that. And dude is never in his office when we ask for help.
True
@Satyam 12A aa I think it depends what your learning. University for sure has value and its the set qualification for good jobs. Today, with many informal courses and flexible learning online, it is great for mature students like me. There are also many options for young people too. I find some of the curriculum for some business degrees in higher education rather boring. I don't want to learn What is a business? I know what it is. But yeah uni will always be relevant. I am on innovative approved courses outside the formal higher education system to get some great education that I believe can actually compete with an academic degree. But it's amazing legit universities are offering free short courses to anyone that wants to learn. I can choose subjects am interested in. It's great for mature learners.
I partly agree but I'm not sure how I feel about doctors who didn't go to college 😐
I don't think they fall under the category; Jobs that are highly practical skill-intensive will need some form of college certification for determining one's merit in the field (diagnosing ailments and disorders).
Yeah, this is the only exception here; Although some people can still argue.
Homeopathy 😂😂😂
i suspect that there are a lot of fake doctors
@@curiosityisamazing it's actually a crime. xd
I have Master Degree in Physics... yess i believe Degree aren't important in Real Life but Knowledge & Thinking are always useful for Life
From Stanford??
you must not be smart
@SniperShiv yh
Which books or learning sources do you suggest that would give equivalent knowledge; especially to get a job without a degree in the field of physics?
It's weird Elon says they are useless but then requires them from job applicants
He’s not saying they’re useless, he’s saying that there’s better ways to learn
@@shmibbybibby7668 So he's saying they're useless? Thanks for clarifying
😂😂😂
If you're going into tech you don't need a degree. If you're going into other STEM fields you absolutely do.
can you explain the difference between tech and STEM.
@@justinequizon7257 STEM is: Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics. Tech is encompassed within STEM. But there are other disciplines within STEM that require a college education. Tech itself, is not the entirety of STEM fields. So they aren't interchangeable.
I think you only can be useful for a software job but University do have a lot of High cost machines and variety of other equipment to make the student more well versed with the industry which could be nearly impossible in learning online or from books
@@mehuljain5916 That's a fair point
@@mehuljain5916 Exactly the comment I was looking for. I feel like this narrative about "useless degrees" are only or mostly valid for software jobs. I also feel like the fact that nowadays a lot things are centered around software people quickly jump to the conclusion that degrees are useless. But there is also hardware.
I graduated in RF/Microwave systems and I am now an RF Characterization Engineer and in my field university and degrees are useful. You can learn the basics on internet, but when you work with hardware internet is far from being enough.
I think we should have a more accurate speech about this topic and not just turn this into a binary problem. We shouldn't just say that degrees are useless, it depends of what you want to do. Engineers and Technicians who work at NXP, Infineon, TSMC, Apple, Tesla and other hardware companies have degrees and these degrees are useful.
Also, the school system needs to be rebuild to be in phase of what is going on now
yea sure they think they’re worthless until you try working for them
Perhaps Elon could tell this to his HR departments
To the *worthwhile person* seeing this, your dream is not dead. Don’t allow the past and current pains and hurts stop and define you. You’re more than a conqueror. Rise up and put yourself together. Keep pushing your future depends on it. I wish you all the best in life ❤.
Wonderful research- love your work. I did have a problem though with some of the perceptions of having a degree vs. not having one. I have a Masters and been in the workforce for many of years and have seen one-offs that have the drive and talent without a degree. However, more than less the people without a degree most likely will not complete long term goals and have misplaced agendas. This didn’t mean they wouldn’t be able to “get it” but it sure meant that the companies would be taking a bigger risk on hiring long term skilled employees, something more valuable because of the higher chance of making a company successful. Just my thoughts. Cheers
I agree
I think this may change some of our mindsets
Another wonderful video Cindy!! I’m a big fan and continue to enjoy your content. I agree and believe preparation for STEM careers could take place through Google courses, Khan Academy, Skill Share, Brilliant, etc. rather than the traditional path.
I agree for Software Engineering but not the other fields.
most of the school on our country are starting to forget that information are becoming financially free and simply they're starting to turn into a middleman.
get info at google, price it up and tell it to students.
I think what people fail to realize is these super successful people that dropped out wanted to focus more on their companies. Those successful guys are the minority of the people that dropped out, while the majority failed or are living normal lives. Not everyone can learn on their own because they can easily get side tracked, not only that but not a lot people has access to internet connection or the equipment necessary for the jobs that they want.
Take for example the Philippines, most of the job requirements that is required to be part of any government branch are: you need to know how to read and write, be a Filipino citizen, etc. There's literally a walking meme running for President, he's super unqualified and isn't fit for the job. Not only that but there are many unqualified people working in the government.
truth!
Absolutely in India companies require freshers with 3 years of experience. Hypocrisy
I agree to an extent. Education is becoming more universal , There has to be a shift from knowledge to skills.
Unless you have successfully launched a business and made millions, which may not happen if you have both creativity and talent, you need a degree to prove you know what you know. And even if you can prove what you know, the hiring managers have to choose by eliminating from the group of qualified candidates and that is where they use degrees and pedigree to shortlist
I have a friend that studied data science in university and intern to work at microsoft and 99% of the stuff she learnt is not even used in the job. It is all about learning what to do at the job. In the past university is just a way to pass on knowledge to those who wanted to learn more but now it became a status.
Critical Thinking & Good Analytical Skills combined with S.T.E.M is the best. However you still need a degree for S.T.E.M.
it's easy to say college is unnecessary when you're incredibly intelligent, but there are still incredible undergraduate programs that prepare students well for life after college. I would support 2-3 years of college, as 4 years is pretty long.
for example, if you're going to major in business, just have students come in and do 2 years. maybe 2.5 to 3, but it's not really necessary to do 4
There are also a lot of completely worthless undergrad programs
Great video 👌 I personally believe one has to make this choice on their own based on whether they think the university experience will be of value to them or not and will it help them advance in the career they're interested in, most professions in today's day & age don't require a four year degree but a few do and these are the ones which require people to put in even more time than the regular four year courses (Master's and then PhD/Superspeciality). So it's up to the individual to decide and highly dependent on the career path they're interested in pursuing. Gaining education/knowledge is extremely important, now whether that's done through self education or institutionalised education, that's up to the individual. By the time people reach college they're mature enough to make such decisions on their own, so rather than completely focussing on the college issue, we should focus more on the K-12 education system as to how it can be improved, the education be made more conceptual & intellectual and how the spark of creativity that kids naturally have not be doused by the teaching methods of the archaic education system that we currently have. If the foundation is strong then anything of value can be built on it and in more ways than one. Gee, this comment became way too long 😬😂
Thank you for continuing to upload videos.🙏🙏
must be hard to sometimes uploading videos that are below 10 minutes
Honestly they are right to do so. Imagine 2 people 1 with and 1 without degree but both doing the same course and 1 with no course no degree learnt it all online. The 2 people who did the same course are both great employees just one was teachers pet more and both of them had more money
Universities/Colleges were supposed to be a place of higher education/learning not a place of higher pleasure. Also most HR dept in companies have no clue to what actually the business is and wants.
I bet they wont hire someone without a college degree...
exactly
The education system needs to be changed completely not just on a techy level but a very deep philosophical
@Sebastian Christ it's a rat race
@Satyam 12A aa reality is very complex . Very very. Keep on moving forward
Schools must just teach students with skills with certification & degree that ready for work once they are out the door from campus.
And yet, the world still needs Lawyers, CPAs, Doctors, teachers…
So they went to college and tell people not to go. Most "free" stuff is essentially worth what you pay for it. I really put this right up there with CEOs who became CEO's by job hopping and then turn right around and tell people NOT to job hop.
Because they are and it doesn’t take a ceo to see it
What people forget is that they are talking about non professional courses...a medicine and surgery course isn't a waste of time
They drop out of Havard! Not just some random uni.
I think it just depends, if you feel like you're enjoying what you're studying and you actually feel you're not just sitting in a class staring at thin air, then going to a university is the way to go. But if you feel like you're just slogging through your classes, only to complete your assignments and what not, then university is not a place for you.
You know if there will be only enterpneurs, the country will not have any experts. Experts are very important part for country's growth
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Well for everything u need a confirmation degree is like a confirmation that this guy knows well about this subject or has this skill making things easier of others to know or differentiate differently skilled people
That's the thinking I am nudged to have .. but its absolute
Getting up to 350K Cindy. I love it! That begs the Question. How long has it been now?
getting a degree is not worthless, although there are some degrees out there that are worthless. But it is true to start a business you don't need education, you just need the tenacity to research and figure out everything you need to do to get your business started. if you're good at saving money, you can always hire people who have more knowledge than you do to build your product. I started my own company and I have an LLC getting ready to change it over to an s-corp, I've done my own trademark without needing a lawyer, I do all kinds of legal stuff as well as everything else necessary to start a business. There's plenty of websites out there that will tell you what to do
"Those with a bachelor's degree still earn $500 more a week than those who only graduated high school"
Not in my part of world :D
cause they're CEO. they couldn't give a damn about someone education or not. they're not the ones who are hiring. nor that they're directly work with them. these CEOs work with executives and managers who are already in expert level. so yeah college degree is irrelevant at that point.
This is utter non sense. The example show a few exceptional individuals and not the means of the engineers. The best keep secret in Silicon Valley is that if you want to make money take employment with one of the large corporation (Google, Apple, Facebook etc.) and stay there at least 20 years. There is no way any startup will match the stock appreciation you can get by saving your shares from employment. It is less glamorous but it works better.
It also misses the point of education. Give you a broad knowledge, I am aghast of the approach of education as utilitarian i.e. you get educated to get a job, I am not denying there is some value there but there is a much larger value in general knowledge that enables you to understand a very varied domain knowledge and think out of the box.
As for the cost of education, it should be free, It is free in a lot of countries (France, Germany etc.) and guess what that is were you have the most meritocracy. Society is flexible and social class break apart. Education cost is aa way to prevent social mobility. Look at Elon Musk example he built a super school for his child and then quickly closed it down so that no one else can benefit…
Exactly.
I don't think people understand that the chance to make it without a degree is small and so difficult that if you don't have the drive to make it through uni, you won't have what it takes to be the one hit wonder
What the fuck are you talking about? There are so many good paying jobs without a degree.
For anyone thinking to drop out; These people were geniuses most people need that degree to get an office job in insurance or marketing to live out their meager life, not everyone is a Gates or a Musk; get real.
A Howard Hughes manager said getting a degree was not the award but show of ability in acquiring and organising information
Elon closed his school after his kids graduated? Aww come on. I was hopeful he could change the education system.
Hey! Love all your videos!
This looks from a US point of view.
That about non-US universities?
Who would say his time at the university was a waste of time?
I respectfully disagree with the ceos here University degrees are not at all irrelevant if we want to go into medical fields then who will give us human organs while studying their anatomy, Only medical colleges will provide that. If i want to become a researcher then i will offcourse need labs to perform my practicals and analyse data.. In CS i can somewhat agree to the idea that degree is useless but what about chemical engineering , you can't learn that with just a laptop you need hands on experience , you need live interactions with the professors...
Its high time people stop showing only one side of the coin and completely disregard the other side.
"$63,000/year average for high-growth, high-paying fields" What? I make that just moving boxes around a warehouse with only a HS diploma. I also plan on studying a trade like electrician which will pay in the 6 figures. There are plumbers making $200k a year. I want to thank all these people for their choice in going to college making my opportunities pay what I'm worth.
i make 1million a day sitting at home, you got more bs?
@@xDeFc0nxYou must be a fact checker. Shame you guys don't know anything. Do you need to see my W2 or is it the 6 figures for a trade that you don't believe in. People don't want to do manual labor anymore so they pay more for the people that do. Supply and demand it's not a new concept.
Aaron, you can't argue that college grads make more on average. it's not a point that. you can argue and win. give it up. there are singers who make $10M/year, and there are singers who make $12000/year.
come on, man!
@@RobertMJohnson 🤣
Only high school making $200+ a year own two homes one paid off in 2 yrs and debt free vehicles. They don’t teach you common sense at college.
Hypocrites CEO's. I doubt they will hire anyone relevant qualifications.
You don't need a degree to START a company.
These guys have much more talent than most, and it is there talent, not their learning which got them to the top of the heap. One prescription does not fit all…
Sent this to my children for their children. Do you know of online programs for my 5 year old granddaughter to assist with her job on the moon, or Mars?
I had a question that : I'm also interested in those Google Certificate Program and I'm willing to do them. However, after I finish them and nail my interview, would I be granted with a working Visa or stuff to work in Google USA, particularly their NYC HQ. Because I live in India and I want to work for Google while staying in USA not here. If anyone knows about it please tell me. I'm planning to work there for temporarily after my school ends. If Newsthink ever sees this comment then do tell me
Now try applying for a fortune 500 company without having a degree, or look at the education background these CEOs have... People like to use examples like Mark Zuckerberg being a college dropout but he dropped out from Harvard. Can you get into Harvard in the first place? Even if so, do you have a billion dollar idea like Mark Zuckerberg have?
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As someone from rich family, only go to uni because you should challenge yourself and develop yourself and to build friendships that will most likely last a long long time.
However, that’s a privileged statement. For someone who does not go to uni and not from rich…. It’s hard for them to step up.
So… this world is always perfectly troubled because us humans are so smart we always have a solution for one problem.
Watched and liked, thanks!
I think degrees are important ,but in tech and business not really , for doctors and engineers Degree is a absolute must , the amount of knowledge if you try to learn at home will take you so much more time and effort for STEM Fields. I am programmer and calling programmers Engineers is very misleading , even truck drivers can become programmers learning from youtube (I am also self-taught) but you cannot become a doctor from youtube.
Sadly, we are still pressured to go to college to get a job. 😞
But ofc, if you want to be an engineer or a doctor, nurse or surgeon, you need a degree. 😐
Skills + Discipline + Patience + Hard work = Success!
no other degree program is gonna tell you otherwise
edit: Luck is irrelevant, because it favors the Bold
Then why doesn’t he hire people without degree?
Knowing all this, I still want to do an MBA. Reasearch the process for someone who is genuinely interested in a 3rd world country. The only obvious path is MBA, the worst of all higher education
It's not only in the US, here as well university degress are irrelevant, a lot of people end up working in the fields unrelated to their degrees
Where?
doesn't matter, dude. university education teaches one how to think, write, communicate, frame and solve problems
While this may be true, try get a tech job without a degree. I graduated with a bachelor of information technology in 1992, it is not very relevant to what I do today.
Because they don't want to.pay for that.
College degrees are not important! Sundar pichai laughing in the background 😂. They are CEOs. Don't take their every statement as God's words.
I will start believing it once they hire researchers without degrees
Totally agree! And probably why many people leave University
Almost everything is available online for free or nearly free. No one needs professors or universities… except for lab training. We should be gathering together on our own at the park (or wherever) to learn with each other. Great minds have already put all we need to know in books, ya know. These massively expensive institutions are good for one thing: PROVING that you learned something (a biology degree from MIT is indeed a strong indication to an employee that you’re knowledgeable about biology).
But lab training is an issue… During your self study you’d occasionally need access to expensive lab equipment in order to test your hypotheses, but lab skills is something that undergraduates shouldn’t even be thinking about anyways. You should be able to go to a 20 minute interview with the department chair to get access to lab equipment. Twenty minutes really should be enough for a professor to know whether or not you know your stuff well enough to start lab training. Aside from lab skills training (especially dangerous lab skills) universities are truly useless.
T robert smif. Education will always have it uses. Have to have formal credentials always be useful or everyone would just walk around with no higher education. Non formal education programs Am all for it and those will probably be more and more. I also believe that the traditional degree and higher education could be cheaper from new organisations. I am doing a non formal non traditional business program. I would say it's one of the best non traditional business schools around. And the content could probably be able to compete with most traditional education. The options are great for anyone to get good education now for different age groups. But traditional will always have a place.
how is "classroom discussion live and defending your point of view" in multiple classes available on line?
Good lord I know people who can't read who have made it doesn't mean we should abandon reading.
Fantastic! Let Elon design his SpaceX rockets without a team of M.S. level engineers!
Liberal Art Colleges and their crappy degrees, OK. Get rid of 'em!
But, hard Scientists and Engineers need an organized period of both formal theoretical and supervised practical learning.
Then going to the M.S. and Ph.D. degrees is a choice that may be delayed at convenience.
Where do we find an engineering school that isn't worthless?
University is relevant to those who meet the academic prowess required, Universities should not be peddling to the lowest potential but to the higher standard. Dropping entrance requirements to fields including education, law and medicine cheapens the quality of the qualification. A number of graduates who perform well at University fail to succeed in a career. Some, who are mediocre at academics do sustain themselves in established careers.
Furthermore, careers in accounting and law should be accessible through completion of Articles and sitting the bar examinations. Universities, establish a barrier to entry only accessible to those whom can afford the fees. This means that Universities groom a culture, cultivate a certain type of lawyer or accountant(economist or analyst). With the demise of the Articled programs, loyalty to the firm is no longer a cocern, job hopping becomes the norm. Fewer individuals with a calling to serve in a just career are sidelined, thus access to legal or accounting advice is restricted to only those privileged enough to afford the services of these graduates.
This concept is only for few percent kids who are born geniuses but rest of them need to go through the process..
I just submitted my exam paper and I am watching this video in my class room... How funny 😁 LOL..😤
The people telling you that college isn't necessory, are the very same people that didn't finish it, or even start. You'll never legitimately hear that from someone that actually has a college degree.
I do have heard that also from people who got a college degree
Nah, I heard from plenty of college grads.
Elon Musk has a college degree,Peter theil too
Musk and Thiel are saying it and both have degrees
If you want to be an entrepreneur; then yes, Uni is not for you, but otherwise go to Uni.
Mohini pore. India
proude of you sunder sir elon musk sir speech thanks .
"link in description" where is the link?
I love this quote from Elon: "Colleges are for fun and to prove you can do your chores, but they are not for learning."
I learned coding in college in the 70s, but I was an embedded systems guy. I'm wracking my brain, but I'm having trouble finding a reason that my step-daughter, who's in law school, should learn coding. Anybody have an idea?
smart contracts is my first guess. If someone is able to communicate with IT on a technical level, but also has a profound knowledge of law that would be a very very useful skillset 👌
"should" or "would benefit from"?
two diff qts
@@RobertMJohnson Yes, I agree, different but related questions. I used the word "should" only because Tim Cook (according to the video) used that word. I still think his is a myopic exaggeration, and I stand by my original question.
My step-son, who's studying architecture, uses CAD programs every day. I do see a use for him to understand them at a more technical level, especially if he's writing things akin to macros, and to understand at a deeper level, the strengths and limitations of the particular programs he's choosing/using.
Back to my step-daughter... As @Trayce Lost alluded, were she to be going into patent or IP law, I totally agree. However, her technical strengths pretty much stop at posting Instagram selfies and her word processor. Her interest in gadgets mostly involves the features of her iPhone. (And she's marvelous at that!!) At this time, well into her 2nd year, she's about as far away from coding as I am at preparing, or even understanding, a legal brief. As a lawyer I think she'll be totally fine without learning any coding.
Oh, give me a break! He says university degrees are worthless but for his jobs, he's asking for skills and experience that can only be gained if you have at least a PhD!!
0:41 "Colleges are not for learning" I am not a big fan of Elon but this is well said. I always knew that there is something wrong with higher education. I mean compared with the high school where the teachers actually try to teach you something. At the Universities and Colleges they expect you to know things but they don't wanna teach them.
Tell the same to HR department
I totally agree
Problem is the management still insist on a college degrees before hiring you. Otherwise why people want a college degree.
And while damn employers still seeking for university degrees!
Yeah if only there was Google professional certificate back then, it would teach what you need to know anyways. Based on my around 10 years experience big companies non bullshit jobs won't even call you for interview anyways even with a degree might as well just study for knowledge you're interested in don't bother with jobs there's none
does skillshare give certificate as a proof of a course completion?
They say we don't need a degree , of course , that is true , we just need to have the skills of subjects that we are studying like engineering or medicine. Some of us must go to college and university because we still need more engineers , chemists , pharmasist , computer-scientists and lawyers. But the way of teaching should be more developed and useless things should be excluded.
The school closed after the only class to ever enroll graduated ? 🤔🤔🥱
They say all that, but where do you think Tesla recruits at? Not at your local state college that's for sure. Degrees as stupid, yes, but we are far far far from jobs considering them obsolete.
Trust me that's sounds nice but not in reality.
I like how direct you where with your sponser this time.
Even tho, the whole video might've been a transition in on itself 😉.