Working for Elon Musk: Ex-Employees Reveal His Management Strategy | WSJ
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What Elon Musk has been doing at Twitter since he took over the company isn’t new - he’s used the same management strategies when he took over Tesla and when he founded SpaceX.
The Wall Street Journal spoke with three former employees to better understand Musk’s management playbook.
Illustration: Ryan Trefes
0:00 Elon Musk is known to be intense among employees
0:48 Elon Musk’s history of rallying staff behind a compelling mission
2:19 How Elon Musk uses his idea of ‘hardcore’
4:56 Musk’s ‘special forces’ hiring mentality
5:56 Musk ups financial stakes to motivate workers
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80 to 100 hours a week is exactly what I did for years when working for my own business. There is no way I would do the same as an employee and asking that to employees is nonsense unless they have their fair share of the pie.
That's why Elon hands out stock options ... supposedly lots of factory-line employees at Freemont gigafactory who joined during Tesla's early years are now millionaires ... so he says.
Agree with that completely. What I found funny is that he comes in, fires X% of people and then tell the rest: you will now have to put in +100% hours weekly but you will feel special about it. It’s nonsense, no one can go at that pace for long, the burnout itself will leave you depressed.
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People who work for Elon generally stay for a few years. It’s nice to have SpaceX or Telstra on the resume.
@@MrBee-qd3ri anyone can leave if they want, software developers are in demand now.
I worked at spacex, the number one conversation we had among ourselves was which company are we going to next
Thats like what most genX say.
sure kid.
What did you work on at spacex?
@@message2612 Toilets
@@billyray9925 u say it as a joke. Bu think about a toilet in 0 G.. what u do with the matter later. do u really think it's that simple now?
I was part of the recent layoffs at twitter and this bites hard. I am grateful that I kept some savings about; $600k and I am looking for ways to invest this into the stock market to generate good dividends to supplement for my monthly expenses.
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You're correct; I always advise new investors to seek guidance from professionals and to invest under their supervision for successful long-term gains.
I diversified my $400K portfolio across multiple market with the aid of an investment advisor, I have been able to generate over $900k in net profit across high dividend yield stocks, ETF and bonds in few months.
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Re: Intensity and long hours - I worked at a small company for a short time. Everyone was supposed to fill out their schedules. One member of upper management had a brutal schedule. They worked for an hour before going for a swim at 6:00 am. Min. 12 hour days. I was super impressed. As I stayed at the company longer, I realized their secret: They weren't doing real work. It was all meetings, travelling to and from meetings, and walking around the office critiquing the work of others. They didn't do much actual work. These "80 hour weeks" often include rubbing shoulders with other similar-minded people (and winning them over in order to engage in various business deals - necessary but hardly "demanding work" if you don't mind it). Sometimes these "high performers" are actually disappearing to take naps throughout the day.
Many of these "high performing" management types exaggerate their 'intensity' in order to guilt their employees into working harder. It's actually insanely demanding to do boring, menial, or physically/mentally demanding work for more than 60 hours per week; it takes it's toll and often doesn't equate to success.
Bingo,you target the most truth.
This is how it is and how it’s mostly always been.
@@gusfring96 He has plenty of "play time", has enough free time to do lots of interviews/podcasts/etc. Tons of pictures of him vacationing, etc... He has a different mindset compared to many other CEO's and is undeniably successful. But I think this 'hard work' rhetoric is a farce (to a certain degree).
One of the most insightful posts I read this year!
This is exactly why Wall Street and the business/financial/banking sector has such high turnover. The average person in those jobs is staring at a screen for 10-12 hours a days and doing labor and thought intensive work, spreadsheets, graphs, sales, analysis, etc. Sure, its not physically intensive like outdoor manual labor, but its a huge brain drain to have to do all of that while managing your daily life, kids, meeting sales or company goals, etc. Most of these mega CEOs fit the work around their schedule, while the average person doesn't have that luxury.
I had a CEO who literally idolises Elon and works like him too. It was extremely intense when I was there. I don’t mind working extra hours but it simply means that i can’t really have a life outside of work. I was struggling with some family issues with lots of family commitments at the time, there’s no way I could balance both.
I saw how the loyal employees in the company typically has no family and spend festive seasons in the office together. in one of the sharing sessions by the CEO, he himself said that he didn’t really live a successful life considered how his marriage and relationships fell into shambles because of how much he worked, yet he expects us to put in the same amount of hours as him.
I soon came to realise that the company wasn’t suitable for me - I have a family to take care of, to spend time with and I don’t want to look back and be filled with regrets.
What do you do
I envision a corporate model that itself incorporates families.
50 years from now, on your deathbed, surrounded by loving partner, successful kids, and happy grand children...you will look back on this decision to prioritize family and health as the decision that made your great life possible.
Work is just work, family is THE REASON to live.
Just my 2c as someone who's made the same decision.
you took the right decision
I used to be at the same situation like you. He admired Musk, he looked like Jobs, he treated people like Bezos, he worked 24/7. No private life, just work. I quit this job. The next my job was with the same type of CEO, he worked a lot, but was little difference: he was a legit genius, he wasn't copycat. I enjoyed working for him. This type of people can set high non-trivial goals, they find people like they are and work in such team a true joy.
"Do your job. DON'T LET HIM KNOW YOUR NAME". That in itself is saying something.
You go to work I think not to make friends.
We all understand the concept of "saying something", it's called talking. But thanks for reminding us.
He's basically saying that Elon is not interesting in making friends. If you want to introduce yourself to him, don't do so by telling him your name; do so by showing him your skill.
Wear the invisibility cloak or duck out when Tom arrives. But Jerry can entice Tom though!!!!
"they will let him know your name"
I worked like this before and sacrificed the young years of being with my daughter. You only get one chance for that and no job is worth losing those bonding years and joy of watching and being a part of your kids lives! Oh and not to mention the physical illness that I suffered that almost killed me on top of the anxiety disorder (severe panic attacks) that I had to take medication for. Not worth it I can tell you from experience.
It also sucks telling your daughter you can't go to a certain school because you can't afford it.
You can choose career success or you can choose an easier life. No one is forcing you to choose one or the other. If you're happy not working hard, good for you. It doesn't mean Elon Musk is evil or is exploiting people who share his drive.
@@kembanganplaza5782 There is something called balance
Bunch of Muskrats depending Muksy in the comments
@@dropdownmenu5587 It also sucks to use a straw man fallacy.
The kindest way to look at an 80 hour work week is that it's a 50% pay cut.
Good way to look at it.
Umm…perhaps if you are salaried. Otherwise, that doesn’t even make sense.
Getting everyone to switch to work levels of "hardcore" and "ultra hardcore" is fine but it needs to come with the same "hardcore" and "ultra hardcore" pay. Salaried workers don't get overtime.
Only he and the higher ups get the extra pay
ok
@@hoze1235 60 billion dollar paycheck 🤑🤑
It is not regular people working ultra-hardcore it is elite people working extra hardcore. The same happens in consulting. The reward comes from having that organization in your curriculum, which means way better jobs in the future.
The difference is that Musk pays well, but consulting does not in the first years, and you still work 80 h weeks.
The reward comes 5 years to a decade later when you are either an associate or work in other company and you were considered for a higher position than other people of your age, because you are quality certified
They do.
I have talked to enough developers at tesla to know I was right to decline their job offer. He expects everyone who are not hourly employees to work 70-80 hours per week as a norm. If any of you have done that as your regular work week for several months you will know how it destroys your body and mind. Not everyone can or should work like that. Under musk you are not a person. You are a resource and will be used until you can't go any further and then another resource will simply replace you.
The term you are looking for is robots. Elon wants actual robots working for him and definitely not humans.
Yea. F7ck that. Unless I'm going to get rich beyond belief, than I'm not going to work like that
It really depends what constitutes “work”. Some people literally spend all their time in meetings and socializing. It’s tiring too but you’re not necessarily doing anything.
For labour staff like assembly workers or programmers, it’s much more important to step away and do something else to maintain sanity.
@@mecanuktutorials6476 You just couldn’t resist adding your little “well, yes, BUT” comment, could you?
Another big question is - who gets the credit for your hard work? Musk doesn't share any credit for hard work done by his employees. Musk is a pretty poor engineer if he can be called that, but he takes credit for everyone else's work making himself look like a "genius". If you sign up to work for Musk, you've just become his willing slave.
The danger of burnout at such intensity is that if it can adversely affect a person's ability to work into the future. And the ability to work is kinda essential to anybody.
I worked for lawyer that was just as “intense” (had unrealistic expectations) as Elon and let me tell you it was NOT a good time. I hated my life and I was so unhappy. Every Sunday I was riddled with anxiety knowing I had to go in to work the following day. Work life balance is important!
I could say depends upon type of lawyer & firm character, although what's the prevalent or distinctive ethic these days?
Why would anyone in their right mind work 80-100 hours for a company, sacrificing family, health, and personal time to make the CEO and investors rich? You know they are going to just sell the company for billions, and not even cut you a check for all the EXTRA hard work you put in to make the company great!
Apparently he wants sycophants with no self-respect, friends, or family.
They don't work that many hours. It's complete bs. The employees have wasted billions of dollars in time and resources. You can't be lazy.
@@matthewb.7172
You missed:
„and never criticize him“.
@@matthewb.7172 That needs no saying. It's a must-do.
I'm not sure how much the ones that worked 80-100 hours made, but I can only guess that these people earned a very good salary. If I made 300k - 500k a year like a lot of high-level engineers or IT-People, then you bet I'd sacrifice a couple of years if it meant that I can then slow things down in the long run or even stop working at a younger age.
He owns the companies and works hard for it. Those who are only employees and do not own any significant stock bonus shouldn't kill themselves for him. Loyalty for companies is a one way street. If the company needs you, you're family. The day you're disposable you're fired. It's simple as that.
Why do you worry about them anyway? I don't get it. They went through great effort to get a job there and they haven't left. Do you really think they need anyone wringing their hands on their behalf? If they want to go all-out with effort, who are you to tell them they shouldn't? Aren't you busy enough steering your own life?
I don't know, maybe you're just chattering pointlessly to kill time. If so, I withdraw my comment. Your business.
@@dixonpinfold2582 virtue signaling. he needs his internet points.
Yes, I'm sure Elon is working hard by Tweeting 100 times each day.
@@MagDrag123 so you're saying that by typing these yotube comments you're not working hard? should your boss be seeing this?
Facts!!
Unless someone has decent equity in a company, there is absolutely no reason why someone should ruin his/her health and ruin its family for the sake of someones vision
facts
facts
People have sacrificed more for money/passion.
@@theobserver3753passion for paycheck
Luckily, employment is optional.
Just because someone is willing to sacrifice their physical needs and personal life for work, it doesn't make them "the best".
That’s how the top CPA and Consultings firms work.
Necessary, but not sufficient.
Well... it usually delivers the best results, so in that way... they are "the best"
It's what doctors do. It's what it takes to get through residency. Lawyers too.
then dont work for these companies. they want people that work hard, not lazy employees that require mental health days off.
This "inspiration" and "visionary" and "hardcore" and the boss being a celebrity bllsht are often great signals to run away 😂😂
Let's appreciate all those silent and hardworking ppl running businesses and actually treating their employees right
Musk really does treat his employees well.
@@dogefromthefuture I love me some alternative facts 🤗
@@dogefromthefuture He treats them so well that his Tesla mega factory in Cali has more safety violations and labor accidents than every other American car manufacturer combined.
He's a modern day Robber Baron; the answer to the age old question: What if Dickens was alive and got inspired by tech bros to write a villain for his latest best seller?.
Because they want to be part of something great. Because they are rewarded in the capital gains of their stock equally with Elon. Because they are invested in producing the best EV on the planet. None of that happens when you're afraid someone who's working as hard as you might make a buck. Long may you revel in your mediocrity.
Very true. Like the interview with the engineers that founded tesla saying they don't know why Musk has to say he founded the company when he is the 7th ceo.
It would be better if he designed a management style that accommodates those who are able to uphold a hardcore style and those those who value more a work-life balance.
Musk's too insufferably selfish to grasp the long term value in something as sensible as that.
@@maryhalverson5713 Honestly, I have met people like these and I'm somewhat guilty of this to some degree but it has nothing to do with being selfish or not seeing the long-term, it's mostly about being genuinely professional at your core combined with extreme passion for your work. IF it was made clear that this is a purpose/value driven company and money is second but you signed up for it pretending that you share their values while also being "passionate" about their vision and mission, then it's really hard to put the blame on your boss or CEO. I don't and never will place expectations and standards on others that I don't expect from myself, I have a very stoic and pragmatic approach when it comes to work or achieving a purpose, and I feel like Elon is probably the same. So if I ever come across as cold or treating employees as tools, that's because I treat myself as one too when it comes to work.
There's just no convenient way to measure how motivated someone is in an interview or even in their resume, so people like Elon adopted a style where they will simply push everything to its limit and start from there before toning things down bit by bit.
@@ryanspinoza6586 - Musk's just a fraud with no redeeming leadership qualities, a sorry state that's unlikely to improve since he surrounds himself with nothing but yes men and gullible podcasters too mesmerized by his billions to see straight.
Working 80 to 100 hours per week for your boss isn't visionary nor devotion, it's a slave mindset.
FInd a new job & stop complaining .
@@rick6582CNCMedicalParts they’re probably saying that because they have sympathy for other workers
@@alexsiemers7898 It just doesn’t occur to some people that you can commit yourself to a job you enjoy that has lasting benefits
Only idiots will stay . The idiots that cry wen ftx bankruptcy
When you are doing that, you aren't punching a clock, you are actually trying to get something accomplished.
Once people realise they don't need socials like twitter to lead healthy, happy lives, we'll all be better off.
Twitter is basically a platform for big boys and girls to complain all day and create chaos. Forget about Free speech. Its just full of complains and attacks. There is zero value in having a twitter account.
Unfortunatley, TH-cam is slowly becoming a social media platform too. Hopefully it wont be as bad
True... These smartphones are making people dumb.. it's time to again use the dumb phone 📱.
Says the guy watching TH-cam videos
@@JamesWest_III 🤣
I've never used it myself. The problem is, for some people it's not just social; they rely on it for important news and communication.
The difference between him living that live and his employees is that he owns the company and earns a lot of money with it. He (or better anyone willing to work for) fail to understand that workers get nothing but sacrifices.
I swear people like you speak for the sake of speaking. Every single employee at Musk's companies owns stock in the company they work for. There are Tesla employees that own millions of dollars in Tesla stock.
30 seconds to make your point...that's something I should start doing at my office.
There are 168 hours in a week.
If you work 100 hours that leaves 68 hours over 7 days. That’s 9.71 hours a day to commute, shower and sleep.
Note: No weekends. No dates. No laughing with friends. No mountain biking or concerts. No reading books. No life outside of work.
You would have to pay me 10x my normal salary to make that worth my time on this Earth.
So you work like a dog to make a billionaire richer ?? Any argument about dreams or whatever is not worth this. Nothing is worth losing out on family.
I’m calling you privileged, because you don’t experience those hours unless you’re working 60-70 hour weeks
Note: So many people don’t have lives and have to live like this just to get by.
It’s smart to get you paid per hour you life on earth, in place of just spending and do pointless things over and over again.
You my friend just described episodic TV production hours. There's a reason Elon sleeps at work sometimes... just taking hint from all the DP' in film who sleep on set in a trailer.
These people loved Elon’s working style so much, they left.
Good for them. They can find an environment where their mediocrity and lack of willpower is appreciated.
And they will be replaced by people at Twitter who have the guts to make greatness a reality.
so is the people who invested with FTX
ikr...? Elon it's actually you who are "the weakest link" GOOD BYE... (best Anne Robinson voice)
@@sshah2545 guts and lack of a personal life
@@phillyphil1513 who's that?
My longest shift was 36 hours straight. I’ve worked 80 hours a week before. I’ve worked 7 days a week for a full year. I work 6 days a week now. None of it at Tesla and most of it for minimum wage.
would you like a medal?
@@Gamago nope. A better paying job would be nice.
So after they actually did work "ultra hardcore" and thanks to their effort, genius and sacrifice, Elon got insanely rich, did Elon send email annoucing "ultra hardcore" bonuses? No, of course not. He himself took all the credit and wealth for himself.
Productivity not equals to long hours
Over a period you’d realize that it’s not worth it to lose social and family life over work/money
Your life is up to you. You can be productive for 2 hours a week, 60 hours a week, or 120 hours a week, at a company. Who do you think gets more done? Same for personal life. If you are productive for 120 hours a week in your personal life, when do you have time to work? Or you just depending on random people to give you money?
Yeah its horrible causes breakups depression start not doing your hobbies become a strat zombie and crash. Just because you work more hours doesnt mean anything. Thats why work forces are moving towards a 4 day week and they are getting more production because people are happier they have more time to do the things they want.
Depends, prosecutors have it worse
Agreed, just look at the guy's personal life. No real friends, just business associates. When he burns out and goes broke, there will be no one there to help him, not even his kids.
And Elon doesn’t have a social life or his family anymore. Crazed workaholics like this do well in business but at the expense of the people around them.
Founders get away with more with employees, but Twitter is hardly a startup.
Unfortunately the major news media thinks it's a reliable source for their content.
Elon didn't found Tesla though.
@@FutureCommentary1 True, but when Musk took Telsa over, it was still a young company with a startup culture. A large, public company like Twitter has a way different culture.
It can be turned into anything Musk wants. Elite guys like his style, because he gets rid of the dead weight and barriers. Most elite people love to work manically
@@cristianproust Love their subordinates to work manically*
The problem with him is that his job made him the richest guy on earth, so he is passionate about it, but it's not the same for every employee of his 😅😂 Some people want to get on with their life and keep work at the minimum.
Then you’re not the right candidate for the job, it’s that simple, Tesla and space x have no problem recruiting top talent
I would NEVER bust my guts or sacrifice my life for any company or someone else’s passion. Family and friends come first, work is still important but not at the expense of my personal well being.
Mind set: I'm a billionaire, everybody who I hire will make ME first in their lives forget about families work till i tell you im thru with you just to say you work for me. I need you to work Christmas day...I'll be in the Bahamas.
This only demonstrates how you think
@@bradshoe100 What you said is actually true. Our opinions are representations of what we think.
Why do u think the media is angry at elon.? Because hes undermining their abikity to control what we see
@@Blackkey034
The media has nothing to do how a person or persons treat their employees.
if you don’t like it why bother?
Nobody forcing you
Go to Bahama and work for different companies 😂
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Imagine ignoring your own family and health to put in 12 hour work days so that some shmuck billionaire can accumulate some more billions. Yeah no thanks!
There are plenty of other companies that respect work/life balance.
Yeah
Addition: So the richest man on the planet can dig himself out of a hole his own hubris dropped him in.
The problem will be if this toxicity begins to spread and the government does nothing to restrict companies, the population will be left without options.
@@Cier433 or we could end the working from home movement and people can actually work/contribute to society
That's literally every game company up to a few years ago.
I feel like he gets this whole 'Steve Jobs' kinda label by the media and I don't see it.
When you are truly 'the best of the best', you work for no one but yourself.
Do an interview with ex amazon employees next!
That's the way!! Work 100 hour weeks so you can be a stranger to your own kids. Family values with Elon, that's the ticket!!!
And look at the family wreckage he's left in his personal wake
That is a life not worth having
@@aaronandanneloganbillions of dollars made in his wake. Oh no
I don't think any of them work 100 hoursa week unless they want to.
@@get2choppa429 He doesn't work those hours, his employees do.
Yeah, Elon is so hardcore and he works all the time, that's why he posts about two dozent Tweets every day. Such hard work.
I remember sitting in employee orientation at Tesla and the major theme was "Elon is the smartest and best at everything." Totally normal right? Lol
There is far more to life than working yourself to death at an intense place with intense people. Its such a stupid American ideal at this point in time. You won't get compensated, you will be eliminated for whatever reason when it suits the company, you are not family, you aren't even friends. The pandemic should have explained this to all of us in a very blunt way.
Absolutely agree with this. This will destroy anyone's quality of life.
Line up here to get chewed up. If you don't want to wait to get spit out, you can leave now.
you are also not the owner, you get salary if you work 40hrs and you get same salary if you grind 80 hours.
but they are fairly compensated, Tesla,Space X and Twitter pay a tons
I've worked at a company like that. Its not an American thing. It's a life thing. 9-5 barely cuts it in this competitive world. If you want to complete projects that matter you have to sacrifice and put in the work. The higher paid and high position 8-5 jobs come so easily after. Cause everyone wants the level of quality your CV says you have. If you don't want that level of success look for the other things in life. Don't look down on people who want it
The management style described here is actually a legitimate way to increase productivity, BUT in this environment, all employees must be stake holders. So either the salaries must be bigger than they can get any where else or they need to own a piece of the pie. If the salary is 120% of what a person can get anywhere else and that person has sufficiently free personal life, then that person will be willing to put in 130-150% of the effort as he/she would at another company; but in all other cases the employee will leave.
Through its ESOP (employee stock ownership plan) a great many of Tesla's employees have become wealthy, rather than through their salaries. It's been around corporate America (and other countries) for a long time and worked at making many companies and their workers hugely successful. The whole company, when a lot of things including ESOP are done right, becomes super-motivated. But I don't know what percentage of Tesla's staff are eligible for the ESOP.
@@dixonpinfold2582 the company I work for has esop, but it is basically just a fund you can direct your 401K into, nothing special, so just the same as buying company stock on open market in self directed IRA.
@@ghffrsfygdhfjkjiysdz No discount of any kind then? No sweating long nights to get shares cheaper or anything? Nothing?
Edit: If so, I never had that either. Ok, so it's options I have in mind. Those work like crazy. Even a receptionist will become a geyser of energy with those.
Well Tesla does and is offering payment in tesal stock wich at BEGGINING MANY EMPLOYESE DIDNT TAKE bcs of althe MEDAI MISINFORMATION AND LIES saying how Tesal stock is worth 0$ or how EVERY eyar Tesla will shut down....
Now SAME people that OPUT OF FEAR took regular pay over Tesla stock are now atatcking,barating other EX and cureent Tesla eployese that took payment in STock option adn are now blaming Elon and Tesla for hat and not MEIDA or THEMSELF for believing ALL medai and interent said...
It's funny how a conman can be completely exposed, however as long as the companies he bought stay afloat, thanks to subsidies and bullish markets, people follow him like sheep. Let's see if "if fake it till you make it", works for him in the end. I dont think a lot of people could explain why Holmes is in prison and he's still the poster child of Silicon Valley.
It’s the same at every hospital in America! See a patient every 30 min while your documenting because you have to maintain 80-90% productivity! Clock out you are asked “ did you get your break?”. Better not hit “no” on that time clock cause you won’t have a job!
The biggest issue with Twitter is that the barriers to entry are nearly zero. No one could start an electric car company overnight, but social media can be started almost overnight. While he's plotting his grand strategy, some other darling platform will catch the eye of the millennials and Zs, then poof, Twitter is hanging out with MySpace.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 right...if that was the case it would have happened already....
@@sanynava9160 it happened to MySpace, its happening to Facebook, what makes twitter immune?
you have good brains! just after TRENDS was launched , i see your comment which is absolutely right and supposedly could happen.
I am hardcore but I want to be compensated hardcore as well. that's why i am laid-back now.
Knowing what you're all about and why is so important. 👏👏 Great that it's working for you. So many of us are lost, or used to be.
I would leave too if I was a software engineer at Twitter. There's far better companies offering similar pay with normal working hours
Like where?
@@bngr_bngr pretty much any FAANG company. Twitter is not even that high paying to begin with (in that scale)
Of course FAANG aren't doing too well with the recession, but they can just go on a world trip (live on their savings) and come back when economy is better
the people that quit/resigned are mad because they dont get to be lazy working from home.
@@mattiaslp9645 yep pretty much. You can enjoy working for Elon 80 hours a week I’ll be home being lazy making more money
@@mattiaslp9645people didnt get to the top of their fields to work 2 jobs and constantly have to validate their worth. i have a relative unknown tech interview this week, it's the first of 5 rounds of challenges and interviews. I can't imagine how hard you would have to work to get in at Twitter.
It's easy to get motivated to work 24/7/365, for what's yours, when it's someone else's you best to reconsider your goal or someone else's goal there goes the motivation
Been there. Done that. I've worked and lived like a robot too ..I thought I could carry on without sleep .
I can be loyal to a company but for those companies we are disposable. I always commit to my working hours but not extra hours because it gives me nothing in return .
It doesn't always give you nothing in return. If you're valuable to the company, not just loyal, then every additional hour you can work the more value you add, and you'll often be compensated very well for your time.
@@rewardilicious not always. It just may mean the same will be expected from everyone else if one or more employees are working harder or more, bcs employees just proved it's possible
@@rewardilicious I no company I worked so far I gained anything from working harder, better or longer. Checkmate capitalism.
@@rewardilicious no, compensation is more related to how close you are to your manager. Which may not be actual value or number of hours. At the end of the day, you are just a headcount to the companies, and they will come up with all sorts of excuses to fire you to cut cost when it comes to that.
ikr, all these companies demand unwavering loyalty, but have no problems whatsoever laying off thousands of people for no reason just to cut costs
He said many times he likes how the employees in the chinese factories work around the clock. He wants his employees to become slaves for his own ambitions.
That's how his family treated workers in emerald mines.
No offense, but you have to admit that American workers are generally lazy and incompetent. Watch the documentary "American Factory" produced by the Obamas. American workers are fat, lazy, and entitled. America is an empire in decline and it has a lot to do with a decline in culture and work ethic.
At the end of the day people chose to work there. If you're smart enough to work for tesla. You can work ANYWHERE
@@lanaistheneworange3013 That sounds made-up. Certainly the part about "mines" (plural) is.
@@dixonpinfold2582 you have to understand. Elon is not the ultimate bad guy because he took away their echo chamber.
I’m reminded of friends of mine who are driven and charismatic but also constantly pulled in many directions by competing interests and microscopic attention spans. When I visualize them as one of the wealthiest people in the world with an obscene amount of investor money to throw around, it looks like this
Yes, I see that. He's been high on his own supply as meme lord. But we'll see. So many assume he will fail but he has started and succeeded with so many more companies that people realise from zip, x, Paypal, to OpenAI, Boring, etc as well as SpaceX, Tesla. And I think people have no idea how willing he is to eat humble pie and then just get on with things.
@@abzorba4194 he did not start most of those companies although he has proven successful at bringing in massive investment to them
Elon Musk is a remarkable man. If you work for him, you assume you are the best of the best or else you're out.
So, he wants people to spend 100 hr a week working because he doesn't want too many employees? Exceptional leadership...
no one is working 100 hours a week. just leave the job or sue him?
@@SahilSharma-dt7qn, You are the perfect example of a self-absorbed person, if a worker depends on health insurance because of a sick kid or has debts? Then, what would your advice be? Let the kid go without medicine or stop paying the mortgage?
@@pablobonilla5893 what would the worker do if there is no company? twitter is a lose making company. They have to do hard work until it makes profit, right? What would the worker do if he had no company to work for? twitter employee gets enough salary for their hard work
@@SahilSharma-dt7qn They already made a profit, they sold the code and the infrastructure to a billionaire that has buyers' regret and the ones that are losing are the workers that had nothing to do with the decisions made by the previous management, please, if you don't analyze things on your own, don't bother to replay
They probably spend 100 hours a week at work because free breakfast lunch and dinner takes time. Plus the free yoga, workout rooms, nap rooms, meditation rooms, crying rooms...
It's a lifestyle not a work ethic.
You work to live a better life. If there is no life, why stick to that work? No one is going to say you were part of making a better car or better Twitter, but your kid will have missed the best moments with you.
Actually some people work because they love their work, even if it pays them a sh*tty lifestyle that wont get any better anytime soon.
Some others love their work and get paid tons but still decide to live a pretty spartan life in a small flat until they die, because they want to keep working.
These people are not worrying about what 'they' is going to say, whoever the heck that is.
They just find a more definite purpose, a meaning, a sense of passion, in their work more than say, in taking a beer or lightning a blunt, playing or watching a game, or just traveling around the world.
some people don't work for money. they work for a purpose
ask the frontier, the first western people of america that come to the US why stick to that work? Let me tell you why: Freedom, and purpose greater than mere quiet life! Some people nowadays, even in America, won't get it as the word freedom is just overused without they actually make a great sacrifice, that is maybe the reason why some ask such question that you asked?
In a sense you are right you work for a better life, but your interpretation for a better life is too personal just for you that you missed the whole point of "better life", I guess different culture and different generation makes the purpose askew to more personal ?
They will appreciate it when they graduate from Yale instead of Austin Community College. You work so your children will have a better life. It's not about you.
@@michaelgentile9580 Relationships require time and effort to maintain and strengthen and spending all your time at work can leave little time with and supporting your family members. This will result in a lack of support, connection, and communication within your family, which will harm your relationships and cause anger and conflict in the long run. They might go to a nice school and get the same degree every other school gives out, but they will probably not talk to you or pretend they like you just for that money when u pass. If you think it's worth, go ahead.
Twitter is still running with half the people...after working for him people resumed are gold
“Just do your job, don’t let him know your name” 😂
It sounds like any remaining Twitter employees who want a personal life outside work should be updating their resumes and looking for an exit.
Makes up for that guy who was bragging about working 4 hours a week at Twitter pre-Elon.
@@stapleman007 You should stop demonizing Twitter employees. They don't deserve it.
@@stapleman007 To keep a highly paid job at big tech company takes lot more than 4 hours work. And lot more than that to keep your knowledge and skill sharp. Seriously, if you work only 4 hours/day and still doing great at a big tech company, you are some special tech talent. LOL
do you mean they'd rather avoid hard work and look for another place where they can coast and get paid well? Then hope Twitter (a place where they built) get destroyed?
@@shigor No, that's not what I mean. I'm sure Twitter employees already work hard. But Musk is asking them to sacrifice their personal lives. If it were me, I would be trying to get out of there.
Never mentions a single time that Garrett Reisman was a NASA astronaut, having flown on three different space shuttles, let alone ISS.
One person has changed the world so much. He has a mission and it’s not greed but to make civilization thrive multiplanet. He is running out of time with his age.
Suffice to say that there's a really good reason they're EX and not current employees and I think the video presents it very clearly.
Working long hours to increase productivity is an old school method, which is already found ineffective. More flexible the employees are more they love their work and more efficiently they would be working.
but sometimes it works ，especially，in low-end industry,work harder and longer than your rivals,then you win and they lose.
Thats great, is your company and approach doing better than his though?
@Settler Watch could and actually doing has a difference
It is VERY effective for the company. The employees pay the price with their health later on.
There are companies, sometimes industries, that are sucking all the living energy out of their employ and then they simply replace them.
This is how our society gets great things. All mega civil engineering project were done by people working 55h+ weeks.
Several trillion dollars of enterprise value and hundreds of thousands of job created says you’re wrong. Take your fantasy theories and live your life in squalor.
Most people will work 80hours for their own business, it’s a tough ask for someone else’s business nor should anyone be expected to because at the end of the day the benefit for the business owner is multiples what the worker gets. Either way working for someone is a trap but it doesn’t have to cost your soul
You will never succeed with this mentality… always give your all
@@cmc2110 give your all to someone else? You're the one who won't succeed with this mentality
@@matheusazevedo9582 Yes lazy bones! Give your all for WHATEVER job you are working. If you're a janitor, be the best janitor you can be. If you drive a bus, work to do it with excellence. If you are a house painter, pay attention to detail, show up on time and work hard to make the owner grow a successful business. THIS is how YOU gain work experience. Then... if you are lucky and you have worked really hard to teach yourself discipline and a good work ethic, THEN you can think about starting your own business. Maybe it will be a lawn care service and if you find that people love your work, in time you may need to hire a few people. You will then be doing something great. You'll be self-employed AND helping other people to put food on THEIR tables and pay their bills.
Wake up Matheus!!!!!! You've got it all backwards kiddo!!!!
Dude, try to become a biz owner yourself, and find out what happens if you don't work hard.
What isn't a trap? Only self- employment?
Thank you for explaining everything so clearly. Everything is very clear. Like for the explanation.
Not everyone can or should work in his companies! He is a very hardworking genius and only people like him should work there! God bless him!🙏🏼
Hiring people with the understanding that they must work long hours, and compensating them accordingly is reasonable. Telling employees who were not hired with such an understanding that they must now do so, with no discussion of adjustments to compensation, is not.
The you just leave
@Thawne this is not a comment about Tesla or SpaceX, it is about Twitter employees, who were already employed under very different work conditions from those of Tesla and SpaceX.
@Thawne your replies are irrelevant. If you have nothing rational and on topic to say we're done.
@@crawknyes they were living a corrupt lifestyle, operating at a net negative while laughing down at normal Americans and citizens around the world - they got exactly what they deserved and then some.
I would quit so fast….it is just not worth it, the employees get nothing in return for an 80 hour week ever…. Maybe a pizza 😭
You'd quit at a pizza delivery outfit too.
They get great experience on how to be efficient and effective from perhaps the greatest entrepreneur to ever have lived. That looks good on your resume.
There is zero chance you would be offered that job. Is like refusing to date supermodels because they are too much work
Yea working at Musk's Twitter really is terrible. I've been at silicon valley for over two decades and EVERY SINGLE company I worked for offered far better work/'life balance, fringe benefits, flex hours, ability to work from home etc than Musk's twitter. I would guess you don't even get a free piazza at Musk's Twitter! LOL
He gets PAID for his 80 hour week. That's the trade - the employee trades his labor for the employer's money. And neither is compelled to continue the trade if they chose to end it.
Balancing family and work is always difficult, many times co-workers step in like team workers to help people with family obligations. If employees understand, reward and help this loyalty will be unlimited to his companies.
I once heard someone say/ask (paraphrasing here)
Have you seen anyone whose last words were "I regret not having worked more and made more money"
How much did employees benefit from their "hardcore" work effort?
Far more than they will at twitter! He used stock options heavily at tesla.
Not become a billionare for sure. 🤭
@@skyak4493 Tesla stocks are down
@@petrichor259 not from where it began, that’s when they put all that work in.
Lots, search on 'how many tesla employees are millionaires'. Also search on the share price and look at the graph back to 2008. Anyone who worked at Tesla got stock options, imagine having 1000 or 10000 shares back then that became $4000 pre-splits.
So does "ultra hardcore" come with higher pay? Just curious.
Nope, more of an ego things for smart people
YES IF YOU DIDNT LISTEN TO WHAT MEDIA SAID AND ACTUALY TOOK TO BE PAID IN TESLA STOCK OPTION RATEHR THAN REGUALR PAY!!! EMPLOYESE THAT OPTED FOR BEING PAID IN TESAL STOCK RATHER THAN REGUALR PAYCHECK RAKED HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY SO MUCH SO THAT MANY QUIT LATER AND OPENED THEIR OWN COMPANIES THAT WERE MOST LIKELY APRTIALY PAID FROM THSOE ACCUMULATED TESAL STOCKS!!!!!!
AS SAID ALO TOF PEOPLE WHO WORKED LITTERALY OUT FO FEAR CBS OF MEDIA MISSINFORMATION AND CONSATNT SAYING HOW TESLA STOCK IS WORTH 0$ AND HWO TESLA WILL SHUT DOWN EACH EYAR MANY SADLY DIDNT TAEK TESLA STOCK AS PAYMENT AND OTED FOR REGULAR PAY.
NOW ALOT OF THSE EX EPLOYESE ARE ATATCKING,BARETING OTEHR EX AND CURENT TESLA EMPLOYESE OUT FO JELOSY AND ANGER AND ALSO ALOT ARE BLAMING ELO NA DTESLA FOR THEIR OWN MISATKE FOR BELIEVEING WHAT MAS MEDIA AND INTERNET SAYS OVER WHAT ELON URGED ALL THSOE EYARS.
ELON LITTERALY SINCE START WAS CONSATNTLY URGING TESLA EPLOYESE AND FUTRE EPLOYESE TO OPT FOR TESLA STOCK PAYMENT OPTION OVER REGUALR PAY BUT SALDY SOME STILL BELIVED WHAT MEDAI SAYS AND THSOE THAT TOOOK PAID IN STOCK OPTION RACKED HUEG AMOUNT OF MONEY.
No. It’s hard work has its own reward, right?! Lol
There are no good billionaires
Work is important, but so is family and a life outside of work. Work to live, don’t live to work.
What a lovely guy. Someone should give him another company. I think the employees would love it
What companies has Elon been given?
Cry more please.
He will have more companies. In the future he will own the entire cellphone industry and cable and internet industry equivalent of owning Verizon towers and Comcast Xfinity. What do you think he’s building with his reusable rockets? The infustfucture of the futures communications industry. His low earth orbit satellite network will be the tower system of the world. No need for outdated land towers towers in the future. Elons satellites will be faster, everywhere, cover more area, and powered by the sun. He’s already put over 5K of them in space.
The big difference between Tesla and Twitter is that Tesla was still in its infancy with very few employees when Musk joined and eventually forced his way to become the CEO. With Twitter, it was already a well-established company with many 1000s of employees. Apples and Oranges.
Also Twitter is not a startup. There is no longer explosive growth for Twitter.
1000s of useless employee's
Also, massive multi-billion government subsidies.
You’re right, but the answer is incomplete. It WAS an established company which he then bought and has the right to reshape as he sees fit. He gave the employees the choice of continuing with the changes or leave. The idea that they get to dictate terms beyond fair labor laws to the new owner is entitled lunacy.
the employees at twitter are spoiled brats used to high wages nd low productivity. You will always operate at losses with that kind of company attitude.
the problem with elon is he expects every single employee to work 'as hard' as he does but they don't own 20-50% of the stock like he does so he's the only one benefiting directly relative to all of the employee's work and long hours, they get a salary and benefits without gaining many millions and billions if the company does well
Twitter needs that clear-cutting, slash-burning done on it. I love what Elon has done for rocketry. His collapsing of management tiers and bureacracy is also a great thing. Unfortunately the whole package it appears comes with killing yourself and losing yourself for a vision. Maybe 60 hour weeks initially, but not a 100.
Imagine living for work (someone elses) vs working for a living
It’s easy when you’re already inside.
You’re compromised on comfort even if the work in uncomfortable. You don’t know what it’s like elsewhere and imagine it could be worse.
Thats exactly what I did. Worked overtime non-stop for about 1.5 years, then got sick with stress and fired. Now I run my own companies and it literally dosen't feel like "work" even though I work 7 days a week. Its is 100& completely something else when working for yourself. I hope I keep at it and NEVER go back to working for someone else making their dreams come true while mine stagnate.
Yes that's what 7 billion people "imagine" daily. Do you think it's realistic for all of these people to be working for themselves?
That's just silly man.
@@johnbarrett5229
Only a small percentage of thise 7bil live for their work.
Most work to live👍🏻
That's where the option to resign comes in.
I‘m an engineering student in Munich. Many of fellow students love and admire Elon Musk, I have yet to find one though, that actually wants to work for him.
Yea, if I have to work in an environment where you need to keep bringing new ideas for absolutely no reason purely for the sake of showing investors "innovation" then I'd rather leave
@@93hothead thats what makes only 1% of us make it to the top, 10% of us keep doing their best at work and the rest choose to playing victim asking for free money protesting on the street.
@@suharsya I just want to be the 10% man. I can't keep coughing up new ideas 24/7
It's not just a matter of wanting. The question is if you have a sufficient level to be able to work in their companies. It's a fact that Musk has no shortage of brilliant engineers.
Sounds reasonable.
When I want to sleep in my company after work hours cause I can't pay rent, they threaten to fire me 😅
I think that it’s worth working at these firm for a couple of years just because it boosts a cv and your future opportunities.
In 2021 I applied for a job at Tesla and even with the inside connection I had I couldn't get an interview. I'm now so glad I was never hired!
Dodged a howitzer shell, did you?
😹
Your inside connection probably rated you out🤣
pretty sure they're glad too
Still surprises me that good engineers & other talent would suck up to sketchy bosses for any length of time when they have the ability to start their own companies. Bravo for this solid report WSJ!
I wouldn't be surprised that you're surprised cause you are not a good engineer and you don't have any talent that would even qualify you to even think of working for his companies. I know you wouldn't understand. Well, I don't. We are all not from the 1%.
because creating success company not just about having extremely good hard skill
Funny how all of a sudden that Elon Musk is getting all of this negative attention since he bought Twitter in the name of free speech. Only a simpleton couldn’t see that the left are fascist tyrants. OMG, I am sharing my air with morons!
@@vladwochinki3020 Having huge family wealth definitely helps when starting a company.
@@Demaga1234 yes it helps a lot, but creating company like what elon did is second to none
But the good things is he works as hard as them not like others
I think he always makes it clear in his interviews. The work he craves requires expects from himself and his employees. His kind of tech probably in need of that qualities and dedication, which also means it is not for all. People who want balanced work -life definitely not that of his companies. His technology is so important for America as I see it. Need therefore help support monetary or not from the government.
So much for work life balance. This is the future when the rich overlords take over.
what are you dense? when in the history of human kind successful people had work life balance?
Yes, when everyone is struggling in a year or two, because inflation has killed the spending power, and companies go under, you will see the shift of power move to employers, and people are going to need to work harder and longer to make lower salaries. That’s what happens in a high unemployment situation. You can thank Biden for trying to kill the economy to bring inflation under control. Maybe him allowing the printing of all that money wasn’t such a great idea. Problem is, li wraps do not thing that logical, and they will never be able to connect the dots, so they will keep voting for the same people over and over, hoping for change.
No one who works for Musk is forced to work for him. If someone doesn't like the working conditions, that person is free to leave.
No one is forcing you to work there.
@@dcissignedon I don't think that makes it immune to criticism though.
For example: I think pointing out how little Elon Musk cares for his workers safety at Tesla is worth pointing out. Its had an INSANE amount of OSHA violations.
The way he fired so many twitter workers and then begged some to come back is reckless and irresponsible.
Etc.
The criticisms I think are good to explore since it can help convince people whether or not they should support Elon Musk.
you do understand, a lack of regulation, is a lack of safety. other companies have gotten alot done and followed regulations. if your company needs you to work overtime but isnt willing to pay overtime, there is something wrong will your company.
Yeah being in the military for over a dozen years …. I have worked insane hours and deployed away from many family too many times. Oh yeah - no overtime 👍👍👍
"All regulations are written in blood."
@@AverageJoe483 the military is not a business.
@@DeepDeepSpace I’m sick of people complaining about “ terrible working conditions “, when they have no idea what terrible conditions truly are. So my level of empathy is essentially zero.
@@TheRealHungryHobo so no brakes in your car? and no seat belts too ? those things would not be there if not for regulations.
100 hours a week means 14 hours per day, 7 days a week ... And it takes you other 2 hours to go home, take a shower, eat something, go to do some shoppings, and then you have 8 hours left to sleep .. sounds great.. a life that everyone would dream of
American dream.
Depend if you love what you do or not, those people's love what they do. Tesla don't hire chain of production peoples its all robot... peoples who work I that kind of company are passionnate
Good thing that the 80 to 100 hours quote was taken out of context. I'm pretty sure that's where he described how he himself achieved so much and how you can easily become worth 2.5x - just work 2.5 times more.
Not to say that he doesn't expect a lot from his employees, but these numbers are out-of-context.
How hard working can Elon be if he has time to post on Twitter 24+ times a day. My money's on him being too socially awkward to have a personal life. But he's the boss, so he's gonna drag his whole company with him.
I would have given ANYTHING to have him as my mentor... and the work of 16 a day... I've done it before for several yrs. It pays off . Most can't do it... or don't want to do it.
I bet Elon doesn’t tweet. He probably has a team of people that follows him around tweeting on his behalf. Maybe robots are his social media staff.
@@twylah9047 Wow. A reply that has nothing to do with anything in my comment. Yes, I'm sure being so caught up in your own thoughts that you can't give a coherent response is going to convince me to change my mind.
@@twylah9047 So you say you'd give anything and yet you have not taken any actions to try to get him to be your mentor.
Know how I know!? Cause you would not have make a fake post about it in this comment.
@@twylah9047 Elon is a rich kid, he just has money to throw at things and a few of them became really successful. he won't teach you anything useful. Bezos is the guy with real knowledge
Good worker are valuable but why do people give up their health, family, relationship to work for a job that does not do you any good financially?
You do well financially working at Tesla, SpaceEx or Twitter
@@KBkittens by double the hours.
@@LCBear not really no need to be dramatic
@@user-ph4wi4sy2p I mean, would u add 20 more hours for the same pay, that is more realistic.
@@LCBear Who said for the same pay? They being paid by the law like in every single country , and you call 60 hours a lot working ussualy at office? In my country we work outside for that amount of hours real physical work and we dont complain , those who complain are snowflakes who can't handle a little bit of work , Elon doing same thing as every other bussines owner would do Keep effective workers who can perform. About time for some people to grow a pair.
One thing that struck me regarding the return to space documentary is the lack of egotistical jumped up bosses that are typically in the private sector, he doesn't seem to hire these personalities
Working long hours for success is a choice. There will always be trade-offs no matter how else we decide.
Hardcore = Employee abuse, zero personal life, physical and mental health issues, and general unhappiness. Also remember, everyone is dispensable no matter how hardcore they are.
Maybe there are people who are willing to trade their personal time and family for that one chance to contribute to something that will change history?
I would suspect that such people would be attracted to Elon Musk's direction.
@@seeprompt possible, since many in this interview were convinced they are going to make a difference by working with Elon Musk.
Lol. What you don't realize though is it's not forever and when you do put all that in, the compensation and self value goes way up. It's work ethic and loyalty. Everyone expects everything for nothing these days. Gonna do the same workload as everyone else thinking you deserve a raise the most.
Where did this guy come from ??? Could explain his actions 🤔🤔🤔
Elon musk is imposing the military training mindset. After a year you get used to it and treat it as something normal
"If I were an employee at Twitter right now I'd just do your job." Easy for you to say. It's just BS to treat people this way.
You missed the entire point of what he said by leaving out the last line "Don't let him know your name".
Man this generation is so whiny about their jobs
To make the company run efficiently he HAD to get rid of half his staff. What better way to do it then to find out who was truly dedicated to the company and who wasn’t. At the end of the day people had a choice. The only thing he did to them was help them decide. Granted if you have a life outside of Twitter then you are going to feel bitter about choosing to leave, but the end result is a company with only dedicated employees remaining. That is obviously what Elon wanted. It seems cruel, but there is no room for sentiment in business. That’s just one reason why I don’t work, I am way too sensitive for the business world. I have to say life is pretty boring though. Lol.
@@plan4life 100% right, that’s why I worked for the government until I retired.
@@plan4life I guess "dedication" is having a H-1B visa or having zero self respect. As if I'd throw that amount of hours per week for a failson like Musk of all people.
If you can't do something, you can always criticize and/or report on it.
People are complaining about having to work hard.
Cut 50% according to a document seen by the Journal but no one can see.
It's true because a reporter says so.
Good advice at the end, just do your job.
My high functioning autistic nephew is the same way. Impatient, demanding, and goes 100 mph 24/7.
Go take nice walk around the block. Or walk your dog. Maybe sit on the patio and chat with a friend(in person) over coffee or tea. You don't need Twitter or Facebook or TikTok or any of it.
Dropped Fakebook in jan 1, 2021 never joined Twitter. TH-cam is the only one I still go to for practical skills like cv axles replacement.
80-100 hours a week is not sustainable for most people. There is no life outside of your job. In terms of pay, 100 hours is the equivilent timewize of two jobs. Does compensation reflect that? And he seems to use firing copiously as a tool. I suppose if your prospects are the same as the Artful Dodger maybe.
INETRESTING CBS MANY OF EX EPLOYESE NOW EIEGHR WOIKR IN OTEHR HIGH PAYING HIGH POSSITION JOCBS AFTER QUITING OR ARE POACHED BY OTEHR COMOPANIES FOR HUGE AMOUST OF MONEY!! AND SOME CREATED THEIR OWN COMPANIES AFTER WORKING FOR TESLA!?!??!?!
OR ANOTEHR FACT IS EMPLOYESE WHO CHSOE PAID IN TESLA STOCK OPTION RACKED HUGE AMOUNST OF MONEY WAY WAY MORE THAN THEY WOULDVE EARNED IF THEY CHOSE REGULAR PAYCHECK BUT HEY LEST NOT MENTION THAT PART OF WORKING FOR TESLA!!!!!
Anyone working for Tesla is smart enough to know what is a good ratio of pay vs time investment. They staid, so it's a good ratio. Stop being dense.
@@ivicamajmunskikreten9714 I don't assume what people know. Obviously people stay and have reasons.
Your reasons for throwing out dense are not worth knowing I'm certain.
He was a case study in our psychology class
Now you dropped the breadcrumbs dont hold back and not share the 411......
I love how people working extreme hours in China is described as dystopian but in the west it's apparently goodm
Because in China you do it for pennies to feed your family and you are doing essentially slave labor in conditions that are so unsafe and depressing they have to put up nets to stop people from trying to kill themselves. Working at a multi-billion dollar valued tech company is not even REMOTELY a comparison. Go cry me a river. All the people in this video are filthy rich, I guarantee you. They left their job with beefy severance packages or cashed out millions in stock options. They are not "victims" of anything or anyone. In all likelihood neither you nor your parents have ever worked a well-paying corporate job otherwise you'd get it
@@michaelgeorge4643 I thought “money can’t buy you happiness” was a pretty well-known sentiment, but apparently you don’t seem to know that.
No amount of money can replace the physical, mental, and social deterioration brought on by working 80 hours a week
How many of those people are divorced, possibly multiple times, barely know their kids, don't know their extended family, not even sure if their neighbors exist? And for what? So we can make an electric car not really better than any other electric car or so that we can have a federally funded but privately profited offshoot space corporation?
what a daft & myopic statement. His goal was never to create a car company or a space exploration company. It was to speed up the development and adoption of cars using more sustainable and environmentally friendly fuel. He has done exactly that. Those other companies would not be doing as much or even be as far along in tech without Tesla. He even open sources his tech which none of his competitors do! Second, he has increased the human interest in and industry toward space development and exploration by several degrees of magnitude. His goal is to speed up the probability that we can become space faring. He's doing that. NASA/government is reacting positively to it. It's wonderful. Everyone is benefiting... in both cases. He is THE lightning rod for practical advancement in our time. And being such will undoubtedly come with an abrasive personality and alligators/crabs like yourself who prefer to drag others under. Now, he's put abnormally crazy risk - again - into another enterprise - not to just run another social media company... but to try and create a medium that buffers us all against the advancement of control over information and thought.
@@rifter6176 so naive
@@rifter6176 lithium mining is your idea if sustainable? Ha! That's a new one 😂🤣
Asians are doing just fine with such a workload. The american workforce used to work longer hours and they have fewer divorces and the family ties are much stronger.
@@rifter6176 He won't sleep with you.
It’s your choice to work for Musk or not. He sets the tone and you either like that kind of workaholic environment or find a companies which aligns with your values. That is the beauty of the free market. I put 100hrs a week in too when I started the business. I was willing to do it for the long term vision. Now I am working normal hours but it took 10 years to get there. You make choices which have consequences good or bad. Accept your responsibility in making those choices and change and learn if you got it wrong.