The hilarious thing is the correct response of the L&S CEO was to do nothing. Just go on with business as usual and let products and warranties speak for itself. He has now put a massive black spot on his and the company’s reputation.
Or even better: look at what Desert Tech did when the MDR had issues. Address the issues, make that knowledge public, and apologize for the problems in the original model.
@@Zoraxon - 100% you and OP are right. This dude’s desire to “protect” his reputation against bribery claims just caused this to spiral. From this point the very best thing the guy can do is just shut up and let this go.
Exactly, as a new company take everything as a positive criticism, accept it all and improve from it. Yet, he uploaded a a cringe response himself. Take the high road, optic is not perfect and need some work.
“If you come out with this defamation… there will be consequences.” He says, while making a lawyer’s nightmare of a defamation video… and the irony of him pointing out the “court of public opinion!” I will never buy a L&S product, and it has nothing to do with alleged paid reviews. I just don’t like this guy and the amateur way he bashed other optics companies (and apparently critics). I also don’t believe his company will survive long enough for a lifetime warranty to matter, especially with his lack of self control. He clearly doesn’t have an experienced legal team or he would never say the things he says online. Do you think Aimpoint would come out with a video like this, attacking negative reviews, or call their competition “overpriced?” He obviously lacks experience in this industry, and it’s going to sink his company.
Agree 10/10. I'm seeing the same things. It's totally perplexing. Also, didn't get say at one point he IS an attorney himself?! It's difficult to fathom someone serving a C&D and then making a 20 minute monologue video ... on the internet? What is going on here??
I'm getting serious "Liberty Safe" vibes from this guy.... it'd be a shame if someone were to do some digging and find out he ALSO made some questionable donations whilst claiming to not be paying himself.
I’m wondering if Holosun is going to sue Sage for the 507 competition review. Hate reading Ahmad’s comment section where so many people are so happy that the courts are involved.
@Kony20202 he just did a torture test and deemed it not for duty use….whiich the name implies via competition. Which sage clearly said in his post just as fair as focustrips reviews have always been. Christ even the lp1 video focus posted wasn’t terrible and I think the optic did fairly well.
@@C_oprator89agreed. It’s like he didn’t realize that the optics criticisms aren’t damning, just context saying what John has repeated over and over: make a better optic at a better price. Didn’t say it was trash. It’s just not worth that price poo t
So, I called the lawyers he used out of sheer curiosity.... and they wouldn't give me a specific quote if I wanted to "buy one" but said these cease and desist letters between businesses are quite routine - yet they charge their "base hourly rate" which is $400/hr per lawyer. What I find funny is he admits to trying to send you money, but because you refused it now he has to spend even more money to try to shut you up when all he had to do was keep his OWN mouth shut.
That seems to be his main problem. He got caught out trying to bribe a positive review, was told NO, and now wants to sue for defamation because John reported on that in addition to the crappy sight.
He comes off as narcissistic, the personal attacks ect.. it shows his true character and it ultimately offers any potential customers a lens into how the public should view the company, he royally screwed himself and judging by the obvious, lacks total self-awareness. When I watched his video it came across as sour natured and distasteful.. him being the face of the company is alarming, he himself needs to hire a public relations employee to keep this type of self destructive behavior at bay.
Excellent observation. I got the same vibe, this is the type of company that will blame you for their issues as the end user as soon as they get established.
@HawaiiFoodAndFun dude! U right! Wonder if there's an association there. I don't think 3e is available in the U.S. so maybe there's an agreement there idk Same product but Ahmad sells it to the US market interesting
Long and short "fuck our reviewers, fuck our customers, I'm a spoiled asshole and will sue you if you hurt my feelings" Classy guy. A company I will avoid at all costs. Subscribed and will visit the store. Thank you for this!
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard him say SageDynamics & C_DOES have scientific, technical reviews. Both of them constantly asterisk their analysis as subjective reviews on small sample sizes and are not truly scientific. They have their efforts to make objective observations, but are fully aware that they are still observing small sample sizes. Aaron has also definitely made hard "do not buy" statements in the past for products advertising themselves as duty rated yet fail catastrophically not even halfway into testing. Also, loving the Halo OST vibes throughout this video 😎
C Does enters the chat... still calls it a Holographic Sight (Also as a fun note, Cdoes muted me on his channel when I was one of the first to mention that it was a Holo. His video came out after mine and I didnt refer to it as a Holo)
C_Does is part of the InRange and KE Arms little leftist coalition that Lead and Steel latches onto. That’s why he’s hyping up C_Does as a legitimate reviewer the same way he hyped up his airsoft optics as “duty grade.”
The correct response would be to address a product issue. Good customer service would then have a reviewer able to create a follow up review to address the issue and how a company was able to resolve the issue. That CEO response being threatening to reviewers isn't a good look. Also Reddit is a bot filled hive mind.
Startup CEO who is himself a lawyer...repeatedly slanders and insults the character of individuals and their product/content, admits offering compensation multiple times, describes the way hype trains are pure marketing 😂 Hoping fear tactics work obviously.
Ego is a crazy thing. You think a lawyer would send his video to at least two other lawyers to make sure he’s in the clear. Nope. Let’s accidentally admit guilt and exaggerate stories… *facepalm*
It's incredible that a lawyer paid another legal team to serve a C&D and then put out a 20 minute diatribe that confirms what FT was saying that whole time. What is that legal team thinking?!
Man, I was super cautious about this company with how much their mid optic was blasted everywhere, it just didn’t seem right. My suspicions have been confirmed. Also their unyielding Reddit approval is always a red flag lol.
If I were an optical engineer at Lead & Steel I’d be looking for a new place to work.. That company is not long for this world. With a “leader” like that.
Right! As you know, I'm not one of Lucas's biggest fans. But the amount of times his name came out of this dude's mouth (in a very defamatory way), I would love to see a C&D from Lucas against L&S! Lmfao!
@@ReticentIndignation I know Hop came out with a short video. It was quite interesting. I still stand on that L&S CEO should have not called out Hop and Lucas like that. Baaaad move.
Imagine the business he will lose after his video..lol. I wouldn't buy one or review one now in fear that if I'm honest, he would sue me. I've done honest reviews for years and never had a company threaten me with any recourse. Keep it real, brother. I have had companies reach out to make things right but never mad for what I said.
They're not suing him for his review they're suing him because he lied about compensation. They offered ammunition or money to cover the cost of ammo if he joined their beta testing and provided feedback and testing information. He took that as them trying to buy a review.
@@Madhatt623 Ya.... that's totally how a company should conduct R&D! Give it to randoms, assume they did what they said they did.. and offer them money for information that could or couldn't be true, because there's NO way to actually know that it was in a controlled or truthful environment.. all on assumptions lol!! All you did here was self-report yourself as a lay person who doesn't know how the internals or intricacies involved in the proper procedures for products trial and error work. You bought into total BS from lack of experience. This is why education on the matter is important.
@@hifi4lyfe406 everything you described would be done in Alpha testing, beta testing would be testing with a wider audience to determine any faults in a larger production run. That's exactly what they offered, they already have a beta testing group and they wanted to expand it with the upcoming launch of their Pandora.
@@HYDRAdude then you didn't actually read the case and desist. He lied about compensation and he lied stating he wasn't the only one they attempted to bribe, all without providing proof that they attempted to bribe him for a good review. That's slander plain and simple.
I don't think I've ever heard such a contradictory argument. That man sounds like a my mommy said she doesn't like you kinda guy. Sorry you're going through this Jon. We got your back.
I made one of the first LP1 v!deos. I didnt compare it to Eotech and I didnt gush so it got buried. I was also one of the first to remind cdoes that it was a holo. He hid my posts lol
I was on board with the Promethean, until the guy responsible for making them did quite well telling me why not to buy his product; besides it being mediocre. Good job, L&S!
I was set on getting a Promethean for my Zastava AK, after this shitshow from L&S I decided to go with Holosun 510c. I saved a hundred bucks and bought from a company that won't treat me like actual garbage.
I own 2 of the Promethean LP1 optics and they are better than any damn thing any of y'all have on any of your guns! I laugh when all of y'all talk about "I saved money and bought Chinese optics."
There's no way they are selling that basic optic for 400 lmfao then he started selling a basic ass rifle broooooo do u know how saturated the AR market is??? Almost as bad as red dot market lmfao
Their marketing was sketchy AF from the start. They released a bunch of hype train videos and then made the optic available only as a PRESALE with long wait times. Super sleazy marketing tactic
I love how he uses Springfield as his example for "successful" product launches. Basically the entire industry despises the embargo dates and 90% of customers simply ignore the product and marketing hype because we all know Springfield pays people quite handsomely for reviews then call it a sponsorship.... hell, Tundra Tactical used to roast Springfield for being gun control supporting idiots, but now they refuse to even say the words "grip zone" in a satirical way for fear of losing those sweet sweet bribes.... I mean "sponsor slots"
They also used to, or maybe even still rip on Bear Creek Arsenal, (who I think sucks btw) but then started shilling Durken Tactical who are just as bad if not worse.
They have the same Hong-Kong based OEM. Considering 3E CRS had it's premiere in november 2021, a year before LP1 was even announced, I believe L&S R&D department consists of air.
All I know is, the two uppers you built for me are absolutely awesome. The warranty/repair service you did for me last year was fast and efficient, and you included a bunch of upgrade work for free. Not to mention, everything I've bought based on your reviews has met my expectations exactly. You've earned my trust and I recommend you to anyone looking for an upper and/or gear reviews. I've never heard of this other guy.
This dude got "Daddy's money" written all over his face. Imagine how he treats his employees. Probably threatens every single one that ever quit, and you know that list is LONG.
'Why would I ever offer him money for a good review? That doesn't make any sense!' Perhaps if he had realized that before the phone call this wouldn't have blown up so much. He effectively poured water on a small, probably inconsequential grease fire and would now really prefer it if you were the one holding the cup by the time everybody else shows up to see what happened.
Well if its worth anything to you all, We arent interested in anything Lead and Steel / Promethean ever makes now. If their, go-to response when someone has a faulty equipment is to slander or libel, we would never want to work with them. As a manufacturer, if we have a part that comes back on the return, we replace it and apologize for the inconvenience. I believe that should be common sense to stand behind your product enough to also fix whatever ones have defective part, especially when you outsource materials and components
I support what you're doing. I recently discovered your channel and I am very impressed with your reviews. You appear to be one of the more honest, no nonsense reviewers on YT. I've no doubt that it's very difficult to sustain a YT channel in such a manner. It's got to be very tempting to play the "game" and make more money. I see a lot of channels start out legit, then give into the temptation. It's always refreshing to find channels that don't. I hope you are able to stay the course and I appreciate what you do!!
I have followed John for several years and can confidently say he is the most honest and transparent TH-camr I've ever watched and there is zero "click bait" or shilling done here and thats why I choose to support him whenever possible. I reach out to buy used gear to help fund the channel whenever I have a little extra money or am looking to do some of my own T&E on products that would otherwise be out of my price range. He is the most genuine person on TH-cam and to see a Lawyer hire an entire team of lawyers to threaten him (whilst also defaming him) is beyond comprehension.... but sometimes people tell you exactly who they are, and Ahmad did just that.
Damn son. You must have pissed him off pretty bad. Most companies that makes good products know that everyone isn’t the same and people like different thing. However, when a company goes after bad reviews is ridiculous.
Making that video was quite possibly the worst thing L&S could have done. The C&D made him seem slimy. The video absolutely made it worse! Great response on your part! Keep muscling through the mud L&S is slinging.
I’ve been in the firearms manufacturing business as a general manager for 16 years and I’ve had great and bad reviews. In this industry you gotta have tough skin and check your feeling at the door.
I’ve watched Focustrips channel for quite sometime. Any product that I may be interested in I see if he’s put a review out yet because I know he is going to put out the most unbiased and critical review of any TH-camr I watch. This is definitely a terrible look for Lead And Steel and tbh I hope they’re canceled from the firearm space.
Next time be sure to record your phone call. Let him know before you hit record, then hit record. If he refuses to have a recorded conversation, then you can let us know.
As a company owner in the industry - holy shit. Ahmad, I recommend changing your entire attitude, let your business practices follow. FocusTripp, thank you for bringing what we come for, honesty.
Chat, Get Hererra in here, Gun Meme review! That dude is greasier than a McDonald's dumpster. He plainly tried to buy your silence with a "T&E" job cause you're a "high volume shooter", I guess "cookie cutter" reviewer means a honest one whom truly tries stuff out which I'd take as compliment (it ain't easy or cheap to burn up 1k, or even 15k rds testing what could be airsoft quality shit), for not accepting his "compensation/job", We Thank you, FT. - G.M on Behalf of The Hermetic Order of Martial Gunhandlers;.
I would recommend Jon reach out to his phone provider and get that call recording- post it. According to google, Ohio, where lead and steel is out of, is a single party consent state. That would help the He said, He said part of the exchange.
The service provider doesn't have recordings of every call, amd if they did, they wouldn't admit it. It will say who called who, when, and how long the call was. Now, text messages are a different story. You know how I know this? I'm a cop in Ohio and we subpoena cell records all the time, including for murders. Does AT&T give us a recording? No, no they do not. I know you're going to tell me I'm wrong because you watch CSI shows, but whatever.
Yes. You are right. If the suit was brought in federal court under diversity jurisdiction, fed rules are single party consent as well. Take a look at the videos regarding “gamer of the century” Billy Mitchell. Literally the same case. Even a phone call regarding Ohio if you can believe that
big red flag with this company is the 4-6 month lag time on orders. To me that's a vendor issue and I always think about the "what if" situation of warranty problems. How do they account for supply of optics solely for warranty vs orders waiting to be fulfilled. Sounds like the company is in trouble and this is more of a smoke screen to cover up issues. Supply chain issues are pretty much resolved so think the company has internal issues that complicates manufacturing and supply chain. Also if anyone watches any judge shows on TV knows that defamation/slander is when someone knowingly says false negative statements. Well if the item breaks and you discuss it along with video footage how is it a falsehood? Seems this CEO was relying on sympathy as an American made optic startup so he was hoping that everyone would take it easy on him but thats not realistic. In my personal opinion and ONLY my opinion without knowing anything about this company is that the investors (if they have any investors) in the company might want to see a return on their investment so pressure is there to deliver. HOWEVER I have zero knowledge of the company, employees or the CEO. Just basing my personal opinion on this back and forth situation between both parties. Finally the other reviews on this optic I have seen are "luke warm" nothing overwhelming to make me want to buy it.
Seems like they're positioning it in a way where people would buy it over a Primary Arms optic yet consider it vs EOTECH for less. I agree with the big red flag(s). Seems awfully fishy what L&S is doing, how they're acting with this situation.
Have you kept up with the their pistol red dot? I ordered one until they changed the design and pushed back the release. Luckily I got a refund. But since then, they've changed the design again and pushed the release back even farther. I made a video about that.
It's not even made on America. And the design is largely ripped of from the now discontinued leupold LCO. I guess that could technically fall under the "designed" in America since technically they did add their shroud but that's deceptive af lol Plus there's the fact that the Turkish company 3E EOS also uses the LCO design but makes a better product...
@@SamSam-ih6nt I'd like to see the stats on the CRS. Their site has nothing. A lot of my videos are about stats and I'd like to see what they did. LS said it was an earlier iteration w cr2 battery
Some of my favorite brands have had problem products but worked with customers and reviewers to make them better. It takes a lot for a company to do this as it could mean huge loss due to returns of product. These type of companies are the one I will hold on a pedestal above all others.
This is why every AR I build has at least one PSA part, and at least one BCA part on board. Even if it's something stupid like the lower, springs, buffer tube etc. They've both been fantastic companies to deal with on my firearms journey over the last 20 years, and I like being able to pay that great customer service back by being a loyal customer myself... even of its small.
@robbysnipes9568 PSA is freaking amazing. I was looking into re-barreling a Gen 2 DPMS AR10 upper a few years ago, shot them an email and they put me in touch with the people I needed almost immediately. I ended up going back to them for a few AR15 parts, and ended up doing a Gen 1 AR10 build through them recently. Used their stripped upper and complete lower with one of their drop in triggers and a barrel from X Caliber barrels, with a BCG from Sharp's Rifle Co. I've yet to have a single issue with anything from them, but their customer service ALWAYS points me in the right direction If I have questions.
Sounds like dude implied he’s a lawyer and probably the head of legal for his company. So while not taking a salary as CEO. it seems he’s most certainly spending company funds on legal fees for which he’s supreme legal counsel. Definitely doesn’t seem like a tax loophole to me. Although these are simply hypotheticals and speculation on my part. I’m not the type of guy to do an hour worth of googling to see what’s really going on with that.
When it was discovered that this CEO likes Far-Left politicians that advocate for Gun Control on Twitter/X, he then claimed his tweet likes were photoshopped. He also worked with very leftist groups on campus and is clearly sympathetic to anti 2A causes and personalities. I watched his intro video for the LP-1, watched your review, watched his reply, and watched "The Response". Epic takedown, well done. Glad you caught him in the act. The buffoonery and self-centered attitude to go after a reviewer with a C&D for something he actually said himself is really something. But not surprising coming from the left-friendly, victim mindset Reddit crowd.
Bahahahha I could have guessed Someone so detached from reality - trying to break into the red dot market with a basic/mediocre borderline trash optic, then trying to break into the AR market with the same, makes sense he'd be a leftist js
@@SamSam-ih6nthe's breaking into the market the same way the endless rebranded junk on Amazon breaks into their markets. Take something made somewhere else and slap a dumb brand name on it and market it to dumb westerners
I love what you do. Also speaking of profit incentive, your margins seem to hit the sweet spot (most dealer pricing isn't hard to figure out) especially considering the non-wholesale volume you move. Thank you for sharing that.
Something about the guy gave me a cringy feeling. Going after an honest reviewer with a track record like yours is a major misstep on his part. He should have done a little more research before he decided to call in his attack dogs. If he was as Savvy as he portends to be, he would have embraced your criticism and done a video about how he values the feedback and is working to address the issue.
This company sounds more focused on their image rather than their products They make sub par stuff at higher prices, the LP1 is out done by Sig/ HS at cheaper prices. $375 is dangerously close to a Vortex Huey.
Kinda funny how really good manufacturers in this industry don't use any advertising. They also couldn't care less about "influencers". Also, Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics has and will ABSOLUTELY tell you if something is garbage, and therefore not to buy it. He doesn't do this often however, because most of what he tests is premium top tier kit.
@@KamalasVACANTwombexcept he keeps uploading videos to his YT and talked about how outrageously expensive it is to keep producing free YT videos given the expenses of the involved products. Patreon doesn't even make a profit, it just takes the edge off of the expenses. It's pretty understandable.
@@KamalasVACANTwomb kinda weird expecting premium content for free forever. He lost quite a bit of money and time on every TH-cam video he made. On patreon, he can make money from his work, produce videos TH-cam would never allow, run contests with insane prizes, and have direct contact with his viewers/students. All for $5 per month. If you'd ever taken a class with him, you'd understand.
Something he said in there stuck out to me, and it's the part where he mentions the fact that he's an attorney, which is a pretty major statement (and crime) if you're not an attorney. Looked it up and he passed the Ohio state bar in Feb of this year and was sworn in this May. Congratulations to him, but if he's trying to pretend like he's got years of experience behind that statement, he's got another thing coming. Shit, I feel like I know next to nothing and I was sworn in before he even started studying for the bar. It's very disappointing when you see something like that from your own profession, especially considering all the negative stereotypes about attorneys. I'm not going to claim he's in violation of any of the fancy new ethics rules he just swore to this year, but taking a quick look through the Ohio rules of professional conduct, he might be dangerously close to skirting the outlined goals from #5 of the preamble (didn't look, but I'd assume there's a rule enforcing this part of the preamble. Would be a question for an Ohio attorney, and I am not sworn in in Ohio) stating "a lawyer should use the law's procedures only for legitimate purposes and not to harass or intimidate others." Might be something to look into, or have an Ohio attorney look into, especially if he is functionally lying to the court and misrepresenting information (which seems to be a major violation of O.R.P.C. 3.3).
him saying he’s an attorney is legal bud as he is allowed to do so having passed his bar exam and been sworn in. stop trying to fish for something that isn’t there. He never said how long he’s been practicing, you’re just reaching
@@cleonday You quite clearly missed the part in my first sentence where I said "If you're not an attorney" but I guess you're so busy trying to prove someone wrong on the internet you missed the operative part of that statement. And I'm fairly certain in most states you also need to pass the MPRE (or other equivalent) and pass the moral character requirements before you're sworn in, and only once you're sworn in can you can claim to be an attorney, but it's been a while since I had to worry about that. I know CA is like that, and I'm fairly certain every other state is as well. And sure, it is a bit of a reach to say he's claiming he's acting from experience, but generally when you hear someone mention their profession (a certifiable and gatekept one at that), you would expect they've been practicing for longer than a couple of months. That's my point. He has functionally no experience, so sure "as an attorney" he could want to do lots of things, but that statement has no power and means nothing when "as an attorney" he's also done very little. The funniest thing is, I had no problems with L&S and I was one of the early LP1 adopters (2nd batch I believe) as well, and I don't hate the dot. I don't want to risk breaking it so I never tested any durability, but I didn't hate anything about it other than how finicky the qd mount was. Additionally, it fogged up a lot when I was shooting, but I wasn't sure if that was because I was running an over gassed rifle with a suppressor or if it was an issue with the optic and I frankly never cared to find out. I threw it on a 22 and it's been perfectly fine since then. I wish they allowed us, as early adopters, to upgrade to the shutoff feature for the outer circle for free, but I know that's a tough decision to make when you know you're going to lose money doing so. When it comes to L&S's customer service, I've had no problems, but I was a little concerned when they required me to call in to confirm my credit card information when I first ordered my LP-1. That struck me as a little odd, but understandable because apparently they had been worried about credit card fraud or something? I didn't need to do that with any subsequent orders so I'm very willing to believe that, and I've had no problems in any email communications with L&S, so it's very interesting seeing this blowup from the outside. I wanted to continue supporting them, and I was genuinely considering an ARC and one of their pistol builder kits as a result of the pistol brace fiasco going on, but seeing Ahmad's reaction video (and seeing the defense of the company from people looking to throw insults without any information) is making me wonder about where my money is going. Looking through your other posts here, it's pretty clear you're not an impartial party, which is fine, but if you're going to start calling people out on things you should make sure you're correct first.
Yeah dude, Ahmad of lead and steal is a hack that marks up chinese and milspec garbage and sells them to low iq Redditors. Equivalent junk from Anderson and Holosun are hundreds of dollars cheaper and offer more function and features.
Thank you for this response video and for not backing down. We support you and I appreciate the content you make. This will backfire horribly for lead and steel
I won't say what I do for a living, but reading his body language, he's guilty of something, every sweaty, pasty faced nervous little laugh broadcasts it loud and clear. He definitely has L.P.S.😂
@@Ayattar55 it looks like essentially the same product, but I can’t find anywhere to buy the 3E version, so I don’t know how the prices compare. Obviously, running an American company is going to add to the cost, so I would expect the LP1 to be more expensive, but how much more expensive?
@@CutlassOutdoors I looked into buying it in Europe and sending overseas for direct comparison, but you can't buy it. It's bulk govt/mil/leo contracts only, as with several other manufacturers in the region. 3E CRS aren't new by the way, had their premiere before LP1 was announced.
Wow man, i REALLY don't want to support them. I have 3 pandoras on pre order. They're already 3 months late on delivery. I tried to cancel and they refused. I dont respect people who do business like that. I appreciate you John.
@@goawaybaizuo Theres no time frame on bank charge backs. Ive charged back things from 2 years ago. You payed for a product/service. That product or service never came, you can charge back.
Every person who creates content as a main source of income, or as a part of their income, have an incentive to make a positive review if they are sent the product for free. Guns and gear are expensive, its not sustainable to make reviews in this industry when you have to pay for the product because you don't make money on the videos from TH-cam. That is why many people who do negative reviews sometimes have an alternative form of income. If a reviewer wants to be sent product in the future, they need to make a positive review. I remember a popular gun reviewer say he just didn't make a video instead of making a negative review. So companies know they won't get bad press from that reviewer. I can't fault companies for giving out some product for marketing/testing. But you have to be able to watch a negative review. Its a bad play by this company to start a fight over a bad review.
Hey man, you directly protected me as a consumer, and I want you to know that. I seriously was considering buying one, but wanted to wait for reviewers i trust to look the gun over. Your original video itself didn't completely unsell me, what unsold me was the absolute sleezeball response. Slap-suits or threatening slap suits are one of the fastest ways to anger me as a customer. Critical reviewers are VITAL to customer saftey, and our legal system does not do enough to protect them. You rock, keep rocking, and thank you for giving him a chance to expose himself as the unhinged scrooge that he is.
He didn't want to pay you to get a positive review. He wanted to pay you to have some sort of control over the publicity of your honest review. He wants you to give him the negative feedback and no one else. Since you declined the offer, he's attempting to silence you through legal action.
Lead and Shill is a garbage company that marks up chinese dots and calls th more “duty grade” than eotech and aimpoint, though their china dot is over $100 more than the superior holosun 512c with solar, better battery life, more rugged, and a better reticle + options.
This whole thing has big Paul Harrel Vs Gunnutz energy with you being Paul in this situation. You completely dismantled Ahmad and embarrassed him. Well done. This is what we need in the community: real reviews that aren’t bought corporate shills.
Do you still have their optic? I think you need to do a head to head direct comparison of a Pinty 20mm red dot. I've only ever seen one "clickbait" video from you, it was done in joking fashion & we all knew it. Please just burn it all down. I'd wet myself if you recommended a $26 pinty red dot with better refresh rate and put the "affiliate link" money in an escrow to donate to "no child hungry" foundation.... like this guy should've instead of wasting money on a set of lawyers.
I appreciate your honesty and candidness. There are definitely content creators that I no longer watch because they only do glowing reviews. When I purchase a product that deficiencies have been noted on TH-cam, I always seem to have the same issue. I have stopped purchasing these products until there has been confirmation that the issue has been resolved. I thank you for your service to our community. I would like to know if there is a fund to help you with your legal expenses.
I come here for the social ineptitude and justification not to spend my money on "the next big thing." Sometimes you fail me on the second by not hating everything. If only you were the doom-shill this man wants you to be, my bank account would be in a better shape.
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The hilarious thing is the correct response of the L&S CEO was to do nothing. Just go on with business as usual and let products and warranties speak for itself. He has now put a massive black spot on his and the company’s reputation.
Or even better: look at what Desert Tech did when the MDR had issues. Address the issues, make that knowledge public, and apologize for the problems in the original model.
@@Zoraxon - 100% you and OP are right. This dude’s desire to “protect” his reputation against bribery claims just caused this to spiral. From this point the very best thing the guy can do is just shut up and let this go.
He broke the first rule of business (which is also the first rule of social media): Don't take it personally.
@@roaringsteelmediaprime example
Exactly, as a new company take everything as a positive criticism, accept it all and improve from it. Yet, he uploaded a a cringe response himself. Take the high road, optic is not perfect and need some work.
Party time
hey wait... aren't you the alarm bell, red flag, inorganic growth, buddy guy from the video
Google 3e crs gen II
Just rebranded Turkish Red dot
They even have the Elcan wannabe that’s supposedly in the works. 😂
@@lucusallen42 yup, 3E EOS CRS Gen 1
@@HawaiiFoodAndFun nah hes just hop, a lesbian with an obsession for old imported spanish wonder nines
Pizza time.
The autistic boys need to stick together. Stand your ground bro 👏
He dragged Hop?
That’s a bold strategy.
And somehow Lucas got some of it too! Haha. Now I want a response video from Hop and Lucas. 😂
Hop unleashed is going to be great!
I’m so excited to see this week’s videos in response to this clown.
Let The Greasening flow…
Everyone's a Hop...... until a real Hop enters the room
Reddit and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
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“If you come out with this defamation… there will be consequences.” He says, while making a lawyer’s nightmare of a defamation video… and the irony of him pointing out the “court of public opinion!” I will never buy a L&S product, and it has nothing to do with alleged paid reviews. I just don’t like this guy and the amateur way he bashed other optics companies (and apparently critics). I also don’t believe his company will survive long enough for a lifetime warranty to matter, especially with his lack of self control. He clearly doesn’t have an experienced legal team or he would never say the things he says online. Do you think Aimpoint would come out with a video like this, attacking negative reviews, or call their competition “overpriced?” He obviously lacks experience in this industry, and it’s going to sink his company.
10 outta 10.
Agree 10/10. I'm seeing the same things. It's totally perplexing. Also, didn't get say at one point he IS an attorney himself?! It's difficult to fathom someone serving a C&D and then making a 20 minute monologue video ... on the internet? What is going on here??
Exactly. This dude is just a prick, and I won't buy his products solely because I don't like this mofo.
😂😂 yeap!
I'm getting serious "Liberty Safe" vibes from this guy.... it'd be a shame if someone were to do some digging and find out he ALSO made some questionable donations whilst claiming to not be paying himself.
Right? 😂😂
He said he’s a lawyer, so that makes sense. When the only tool you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.
This is a really good point.
He has the haircut that says "my dad pays for everything and made me a partner in his law firm, even though I graduated 89th out of a class of 104."
He also misstated or misrepresented the law by implying that true statements could be defamation. Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.
I’m wondering if Holosun is going to sue Sage for the 507 competition review. Hate reading Ahmad’s comment section where so many people are so happy that the courts are involved.
24:08 things get dicey dicey dicey
@Kony20202 he just did a torture test and deemed it not for duty use….whiich the name implies via competition. Which sage clearly said in his post just as fair as focustrips reviews have always been. Christ even the lp1 video focus posted wasn’t terrible and I think the optic did fairly well.
@@C_oprator89agreed. It’s like he didn’t realize that the optics criticisms aren’t damning, just context saying what John has repeated over and over: make a better optic at a better price. Didn’t say it was trash. It’s just not worth that price poo t
Right?
So, I called the lawyers he used out of sheer curiosity.... and they wouldn't give me a specific quote if I wanted to "buy one" but said these cease and desist letters between businesses are quite routine - yet they charge their "base hourly rate" which is $400/hr per lawyer.
What I find funny is he admits to trying to send you money, but because you refused it now he has to spend even more money to try to shut you up when all he had to do was keep his OWN mouth shut.
That seems to be his main problem. He got caught out trying to bribe a positive review, was told NO, and now wants to sue for defamation because John reported on that in addition to the crappy sight.
Bro I unsubd from John a while ago bc I found his intros kinda cringe but thanks to l&s I'm back and liking his current productions 👌
@@SamSam-ih6ntI just skip his intros.
You had me at Airsoft...I died.
You've always steered me in the right direction John. Keep up the good work. 💪💪💪
He comes off as narcissistic, the personal attacks ect.. it shows his true character and it ultimately offers any potential customers a lens into how the public should view the company, he royally screwed himself and judging by the obvious, lacks total self-awareness. When I watched his video it came across as sour natured and distasteful.. him being the face of the company is alarming, he himself needs to hire a public relations employee to keep this type of self destructive behavior at bay.
You can see it in his eyes
Excellent observation. I got the same vibe, this is the type of company that will blame you for their issues as the end user as soon as they get established.
The LP-1 looks strangely like the 3E EOS CRS Gen 1 reflex sight.
But don't Google it.... you may get sued
@HawaiiFoodAndFun dude! U right!
Wonder if there's an association there. I don't think 3e is available in the U.S. so maybe there's an agreement there idk
Same product but Ahmad sells it to the US market interesting
Selling a Turkish product marketed as "US designed" lmfao
Long and short "fuck our reviewers, fuck our customers, I'm a spoiled asshole and will sue you if you hurt my feelings" Classy guy. A company I will avoid at all costs. Subscribed and will visit the store. Thank you for this!
Hes a typical turk in other words.
@@wtice4632 Never do business with Turks, never buy Turkish products
I have his product but this dude is entitled and is clearly butt hurt because of an opinion.
@@wtice4632not nationalistic enough
Spot on with your conclusion. He did more damage to his own company than any influencer ever could.
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard him say SageDynamics & C_DOES have scientific, technical reviews. Both of them constantly asterisk their analysis as subjective reviews on small sample sizes and are not truly scientific. They have their efforts to make objective observations, but are fully aware that they are still observing small sample sizes. Aaron has also definitely made hard "do not buy" statements in the past for products advertising themselves as duty rated yet fail catastrophically not even halfway into testing.
Also, loving the Halo OST vibes throughout this video 😎
Sage dynamics enters the chat… destroys optic.
C Does enters the chat... still calls it a Holographic Sight
(Also as a fun note, Cdoes muted me on his channel when I was one of the first to mention that it was a Holo. His video came out after mine and I didnt refer to it as a Holo)
I laughed when he said that too. He clearly hasn't watched Aaron at all if he says they don't recommend against buying stuff.
Scientific drop tests
C_Does is part of the InRange and KE Arms little leftist coalition that Lead and Steel latches onto.
That’s why he’s hyping up C_Does as a legitimate reviewer the same way he hyped up his airsoft optics as “duty grade.”
The correct response would be to address a product issue. Good customer service would then have a reviewer able to create a follow up review to address the issue and how a company was able to resolve the issue. That CEO response being threatening to reviewers isn't a good look. Also Reddit is a bot filled hive mind.
If your not getting banned from Reddit your obviously NOT speaking your mind.
Trash company perhaps?
Startup CEO who is himself a lawyer...repeatedly slanders and insults the character of individuals and their product/content, admits offering compensation multiple times, describes the way hype trains are pure marketing 😂 Hoping fear tactics work obviously.
Ego is a crazy thing. You think a lawyer would send his video to at least two other lawyers to make sure he’s in the clear. Nope. Let’s accidentally admit guilt and exaggerate stories… *facepalm*
It's incredible that a lawyer paid another legal team to serve a C&D and then put out a 20 minute diatribe that confirms what FT was saying that whole time. What is that legal team thinking?!
Man, I was super cautious about this company with how much their mid optic was blasted everywhere, it just didn’t seem right. My suspicions have been confirmed. Also their unyielding Reddit approval is always a red flag lol.
its fun when people think Reddit is a socially normal place.
If I were an optical engineer at Lead & Steel I’d be looking for a new place to work.. That company is not long for this world. With a “leader” like that.
Ok. Now I want a Lucas Botkin video response…😂
Right! As you know, I'm not one of Lucas's biggest fans. But the amount of times his name came out of this dude's mouth (in a very defamatory way), I would love to see a C&D from Lucas against L&S! Lmfao!
@@RTTGunsGear Haha that'd be awesome! What goes around comes around!
@@ReticentIndignation I know Hop came out with a short video. It was quite interesting. I still stand on that L&S CEO should have not called out Hop and Lucas like that. Baaaad move.
I did see it@@DesertTactical
Dude isn’t acting like a CEO, he’s acting like a child. Stay the course, the people know the truth.
Couldn't agree more. This stinks badly of a poorly managed company that put out a poor product, and this is the only recourse to save their own ass.
Kind of looking the role too 🤔
No good deed goes unpunished
Soy boy kinda of a child
I'd rather be socially inept then slimey and passive aggressive.
Same
Then lol.. 😅
What if you being socially inept leads to you accusing a company of bribing reviewers?
@@cmiddleton9872 then I might be served a c&d by a slimey company run by a passive aggressive ceo.
@@operatorsanonymous follow
Imagine the business he will lose after his video..lol. I wouldn't buy one or review one now in fear that if I'm honest, he would sue me. I've done honest reviews for years and never had a company threaten me with any recourse. Keep it real, brother. I have had companies reach out to make things right but never mad for what I said.
They're not suing him for his review they're suing him because he lied about compensation. They offered ammunition or money to cover the cost of ammo if he joined their beta testing and provided feedback and testing information. He took that as them trying to buy a review.
@@Madhatt623 Because it clearly is.
@@Madhatt623 Ya.... that's totally how a company should conduct R&D! Give it to randoms, assume they did what they said they did.. and offer them money for information that could or couldn't be true, because there's NO way to actually know that it was in a controlled or truthful environment.. all on assumptions lol!! All you did here was self-report yourself as a lay person who doesn't know how the internals or intricacies involved in the proper procedures for products trial and error work. You bought into total BS from lack of experience.
This is why education on the matter is important.
@@hifi4lyfe406 everything you described would be done in Alpha testing, beta testing would be testing with a wider audience to determine any faults in a larger production run. That's exactly what they offered, they already have a beta testing group and they wanted to expand it with the upcoming launch of their Pandora.
@@HYDRAdude then you didn't actually read the case and desist. He lied about compensation and he lied stating he wasn't the only one they attempted to bribe, all without providing proof that they attempted to bribe him for a good review. That's slander plain and simple.
You used Peril and something out of mass effect as BGM.
I'm instantly biased to believe everything you say. I don't make the rules.
for the record this is a joke.
YO BRASSY REVIEW THE LP1 lol
@@BrassFacts DEFAMATION! CEASE AND DESIST AT ONCE!
Peril and The Normandy. Two classics
I don't think I've ever heard such a contradictory argument. That man sounds like a my mommy said she doesn't like you kinda guy. Sorry you're going through this Jon. We got your back.
It’s ironic that he reference’s Springfield…. The traitor brand. Very fitting
It’s ironic how ARFCOM is now also shilling Springfield’s import pistol lol.
@@Clockwork0nions AGREED!!
He tried telling me that his red dot was better than the eotech line of holographic optics and threatened me on tiktok over me calling him out.
I made one of the first LP1 v!deos. I didnt compare it to Eotech and I didnt gush so it got buried. I was also one of the first to remind cdoes that it was a holo. He hid my posts lol
Thanks for saving a bunch of people from blowing $400 on crap
I was on board with the Promethean, until the guy responsible for making them did quite well telling me why not to buy his product; besides it being mediocre. Good job, L&S!
I was set on getting a Promethean for my Zastava AK, after this shitshow from L&S I decided to go with Holosun 510c. I saved a hundred bucks and bought from a company that won't treat me like actual garbage.
I own 2 of the Promethean LP1 optics and they are better than any damn thing any of y'all have on any of your guns! I laugh when all of y'all talk about "I saved money and bought Chinese optics."
@@piedmontwildlifeandoutdoors
Thanks Ahmad Aboukar
But no thanks 😂
@@Allen-xx3lysaid Focus Tripp's boyfriend.
Gee...Was this the first "NO" he's ever heard in his entire life?
Could you picture Trijicon acting this way over the MRO? Hope it was fun for them while it lasted
This comment right here! Youre absolutely right, man. Haha. 🤣
😂
There's no way they are selling that basic optic for 400 lmfao then he started selling a basic ass rifle broooooo do u know how saturated the AR market is??? Almost as bad as red dot market lmfao
😂
Their marketing was sketchy AF from the start. They released a bunch of hype train videos and then made the optic available only as a PRESALE with long wait times. Super sleazy marketing tactic
I love how he uses Springfield as his example for "successful" product launches. Basically the entire industry despises the embargo dates and 90% of customers simply ignore the product and marketing hype because we all know Springfield pays people quite handsomely for reviews then call it a sponsorship.... hell, Tundra Tactical used to roast Springfield for being gun control supporting idiots, but now they refuse to even say the words "grip zone" in a satirical way for fear of losing those sweet sweet bribes.... I mean "sponsor slots"
They also used to, or maybe even still rip on Bear Creek Arsenal, (who I think sucks btw) but then started shilling Durken Tactical who are just as bad if not worse.
Oh Lawd, he just called Hop and Focus Tripp jackasses. That aughta help his sales.
Marketing haha
GOD BLESS you for your humility, integrity, and humor John!
I could not work for a guy like that. Comes off as a trust fund baby.😢
100%
What do you expect from someone that threatens to sic their dad's lawyers on you?
Did y'all see that their R&D might very well just be rebranded Turkish optics from 3E EOS?
Good find. Looks just like the 3E EOS CRS Gen 1
@@HawaiiFoodAndFunI pointed this out on L&S's video and the response is now missing.
@@matt291 shocking
I was one of the first to make a Promethean video. Spent my own money and didn't rave about it so imagine how well that went
They have the same Hong-Kong based OEM.
Considering 3E CRS had it's premiere in november 2021, a year before LP1 was even announced, I believe L&S R&D department consists of air.
they had already commented about it on reddit
All I know is, the two uppers you built for me are absolutely awesome. The warranty/repair service you did for me last year was fast and efficient, and you included a bunch of upgrade work for free. Not to mention, everything I've bought based on your reviews has met my expectations exactly.
You've earned my trust and I recommend you to anyone looking for an upper and/or gear reviews. I've never heard of this other guy.
Did he just admit that he can’t actually afford to sue you?
This dude got "Daddy's money" written all over his face. Imagine how he treats his employees. Probably threatens every single one that ever quit, and you know that list is LONG.
'Why would I ever offer him money for a good review? That doesn't make any sense!'
Perhaps if he had realized that before the phone call this wouldn't have blown up so much. He effectively poured water on a small, probably inconsequential grease fire and would now really prefer it if you were the one holding the cup by the time everybody else shows up to see what happened.
Well if its worth anything to you all, We arent interested in anything Lead and Steel / Promethean ever makes now. If their, go-to response when someone has a faulty equipment is to slander or libel, we would never want to work with them. As a manufacturer, if we have a part that comes back on the return, we replace it and apologize for the inconvenience. I believe that should be common sense to stand behind your product enough to also fix whatever ones have defective part, especially when you outsource materials and components
I support what you're doing. I recently discovered your channel and I am very impressed with your reviews. You appear to be one of the more honest, no nonsense reviewers on YT. I've no doubt that it's very difficult to sustain a YT channel in such a manner. It's got to be very tempting to play the "game" and make more money. I see a lot of channels start out legit, then give into the temptation. It's always refreshing to find channels that don't. I hope you are able to stay the course and I appreciate what you do!!
I have followed John for several years and can confidently say he is the most honest and transparent TH-camr I've ever watched and there is zero "click bait" or shilling done here and thats why I choose to support him whenever possible. I reach out to buy used gear to help fund the channel whenever I have a little extra money or am looking to do some of my own T&E on products that would otherwise be out of my price range. He is the most genuine person on TH-cam and to see a Lawyer hire an entire team of lawyers to threaten him (whilst also defaming him) is beyond comprehension.... but sometimes people tell you exactly who they are, and Ahmad did just that.
@@RichardCranium321I agree 100%
Damn son. You must have pissed him off pretty bad. Most companies that makes good products know that everyone isn’t the same and people like different thing. However, when a company goes after bad reviews is ridiculous.
The video was kind of eye opening imo. Like in general about YT/IG/2A companies n the behind the veil shit.
If you check into the whole story, there's quite a bit more to it than just "a company goes after bad reviews".
@@Antykain what else is there besides what's in these two (three with the response) videos?
@@Antykain I’m sure there is a lot more. Just like people I know personally on FB. They only care about their “public” image.
I will continue to look to Focus Tripp for reviews abt optics, guns, etc.
I watch your videos every once in a while but I've got a lot more respect for you after this BS 👍
Same
Making that video was quite possibly the worst thing L&S could have done. The C&D made him seem slimy. The video absolutely made it worse!
Great response on your part! Keep muscling through the mud L&S is slinging.
I’ve been in the firearms manufacturing business as a general manager for 16 years and I’ve had great and bad reviews. In this industry you gotta have tough skin and check your feeling at the door.
Admiting that makes you a better manager!
I’ve watched Focustrips channel for quite sometime. Any product that I may be interested in I see if he’s put a review out yet because I know he is going to put out the most unbiased and critical review of any TH-camr I watch. This is definitely a terrible look for Lead And Steel and tbh I hope they’re canceled from the firearm space.
Next time be sure to record your phone call. Let him know before you hit record, then hit record. If he refuses to have a recorded conversation, then you can let us know.
As a company owner in the industry - holy shit. Ahmad, I recommend changing your entire attitude, let your business practices follow. FocusTripp, thank you for bringing what we come for, honesty.
Oh hi Ben
@@Yapperinos suuuuhh doood
Yeap!
"Make a better product at a better price" makes sense. Or at least make a better product for the price.
I'll take either
Chat, Get Hererra in here, Gun Meme review! That dude is greasier than a McDonald's dumpster. He plainly tried to buy your silence with a "T&E" job cause you're a "high volume shooter", I guess "cookie cutter" reviewer means a honest one whom truly tries stuff out which I'd take as compliment (it ain't easy or cheap to burn up 1k, or even 15k rds testing what could be airsoft quality shit), for not accepting his "compensation/job", We Thank you, FT. - G.M on Behalf of The Hermetic Order of Martial Gunhandlers;.
I can hear it already “Gun 👏🏼 Meme👏🏼 Review!
I would recommend Jon reach out to his phone provider and get that call recording- post it. According to google, Ohio, where lead and steel is out of, is a single party consent state. That would help the He said, He said part of the exchange.
The service provider doesn't have recordings of every call, amd if they did, they wouldn't admit it.
It will say who called who, when, and how long the call was.
Now, text messages are a different story.
You know how I know this? I'm a cop in Ohio and we subpoena cell records all the time, including for murders.
Does AT&T give us a recording? No, no they do not.
I know you're going to tell me I'm wrong because you watch CSI shows, but whatever.
@@hansblitz7770The NSA, now they almost certainly have the recording, but good luck getting them to admit it, much less send over a copy lol.
Yes. You are right. If the suit was brought in federal court under diversity jurisdiction, fed rules are single party consent as well.
Take a look at the videos regarding “gamer of the century” Billy Mitchell. Literally the same case. Even a phone call regarding Ohio if you can believe that
big red flag with this company is the 4-6 month lag time on orders. To me that's a vendor issue and I always think about the "what if" situation of warranty problems. How do they account for supply of optics solely for warranty vs orders waiting to be fulfilled. Sounds like the company is in trouble and this is more of a smoke screen to cover up issues. Supply chain issues are pretty much resolved so think the company has internal issues that complicates manufacturing and supply chain. Also if anyone watches any judge shows on TV knows that defamation/slander is when someone knowingly says false negative statements. Well if the item breaks and you discuss it along with video footage how is it a falsehood? Seems this CEO was relying on sympathy as an American made optic startup so he was hoping that everyone would take it easy on him but thats not realistic. In my personal opinion and ONLY my opinion without knowing anything about this company is that the investors (if they have any investors) in the company might want to see a return on their investment so pressure is there to deliver. HOWEVER I have zero knowledge of the company, employees or the CEO. Just basing my personal opinion on this back and forth situation between both parties. Finally the other reviews on this optic I have seen are "luke warm" nothing overwhelming to make me want to buy it.
Seems like they're positioning it in a way where people would buy it over a Primary Arms optic yet consider it vs EOTECH for less. I agree with the big red flag(s). Seems awfully fishy what L&S is doing, how they're acting with this situation.
Have you kept up with the their pistol red dot? I ordered one until they changed the design and pushed back the release. Luckily I got a refund. But since then, they've changed the design again and pushed the release back even farther. I made a video about that.
It's not even made on America. And the design is largely ripped of from the now discontinued leupold LCO. I guess that could technically fall under the "designed" in America since technically they did add their shroud but that's deceptive af lol
Plus there's the fact that the Turkish company 3E EOS also uses the LCO design but makes a better product...
@@SamSam-ih6nt I'd like to see the stats on the CRS. Their site has nothing. A lot of my videos are about stats and I'd like to see what they did. LS said it was an earlier iteration w cr2 battery
Some of my favorite brands have had problem products but worked with customers and reviewers to make them better. It takes a lot for a company to do this as it could mean huge loss due to returns of product. These type of companies are the one I will hold on a pedestal above all others.
This is why every AR I build has at least one PSA part, and at least one BCA part on board. Even if it's something stupid like the lower, springs, buffer tube etc.
They've both been fantastic companies to deal with on my firearms journey over the last 20 years, and I like being able to pay that great customer service back by being a loyal customer myself... even of its small.
PSA comes to mind
@robbysnipes9568 PSA is freaking amazing. I was looking into re-barreling a Gen 2 DPMS AR10 upper a few years ago, shot them an email and they put me in touch with the people I needed almost immediately. I ended up going back to them for a few AR15 parts, and ended up doing a Gen 1 AR10 build through them recently. Used their stripped upper and complete lower with one of their drop in triggers and a barrel from X Caliber barrels, with a BCG from Sharp's Rifle Co.
I've yet to have a single issue with anything from them, but their customer service ALWAYS points me in the right direction If I have questions.
im at the point where im pretty sure none of the budget red dots deserve a chance and we should all just save up for an aimpoint or eotech.
Trijicon is also good.
Or maybe see what folks like John here find.
Holosun 403b
The sig 4xt/4t-pro and 8t are also good. The new coatings on the 4xt and 4tpro make it a better dot now than t2s IMO.
@@mattwalters6834except the MRO 😂
Sounds like dude implied he’s a lawyer and probably the head of legal for his company. So while not taking a salary as CEO. it seems he’s most certainly spending company funds on legal fees for which he’s supreme legal counsel.
Definitely doesn’t seem like a tax loophole to me.
Although these are simply hypotheticals and speculation on my part. I’m not the type of guy to do an hour worth of googling to see what’s really going on with that.
ETA: Found it. He’s a friend of InrangeTV so he loses by default.
This.
I heard L&S is Karls girlfriends new boyfriend.
When it was discovered that this CEO likes Far-Left politicians that advocate for Gun Control on Twitter/X, he then claimed his tweet likes were photoshopped. He also worked with very leftist groups on campus and is clearly sympathetic to anti 2A causes and personalities.
I watched his intro video for the LP-1, watched your review, watched his reply, and watched "The Response". Epic takedown, well done.
Glad you caught him in the act. The buffoonery and self-centered attitude to go after a reviewer with a C&D for something he actually said himself is really something.
But not surprising coming from the left-friendly, victim mindset Reddit crowd.
Bahahahha I could have guessed
Someone so detached from reality - trying to break into the red dot market with a basic/mediocre borderline trash optic, then trying to break into the AR market with the same, makes sense he'd be a leftist js
@@SamSam-ih6nthe's breaking into the market the same way the endless rebranded junk on Amazon breaks into their markets. Take something made somewhere else and slap a dumb brand name on it and market it to dumb westerners
I love what you do. Also speaking of profit incentive, your margins seem to hit the sweet spot (most dealer pricing isn't hard to figure out) especially considering the non-wholesale volume you move. Thank you for sharing that.
Something about the guy gave me a cringy feeling. Going after an honest reviewer with a track record like yours is a major misstep on his part. He should have done a little more research before he decided to call in his attack dogs. If he was as Savvy as he portends to be, he would have embraced your criticism and done a video about how he values the feedback and is working to address the issue.
This company sounds more focused on their image rather than their products
They make sub par stuff at higher prices, the LP1 is out done by Sig/ HS at cheaper prices. $375 is dangerously close to a Vortex Huey.
Dangerously close to EOTech lol.
Based solely on this “CEO”’s statements I will never buy his optical. He did it himself, not FocusTripp
Kinda funny how really good manufacturers in this industry don't use any advertising. They also couldn't care less about "influencers".
Also, Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics has and will ABSOLUTELY tell you if something is garbage, and therefore not to buy it. He doesn't do this often however, because most of what he tests is premium top tier kit.
I don’t have too much respect for him once he gave us the ultimatum to pay or stop watching his videos.
@@KamalasVACANTwombexcept he keeps uploading videos to his YT and talked about how outrageously expensive it is to keep producing free YT videos given the expenses of the involved products. Patreon doesn't even make a profit, it just takes the edge off of the expenses. It's pretty understandable.
Except SOLGW, who he is partnered with.
@@Clockwork0nions he doesn't do reviews on SOLGW products. It's his policy, same with Agency Arms and FN.
@@KamalasVACANTwomb kinda weird expecting premium content for free forever. He lost quite a bit of money and time on every TH-cam video he made. On patreon, he can make money from his work, produce videos TH-cam would never allow, run contests with insane prizes, and have direct contact with his viewers/students. All for $5 per month.
If you'd ever taken a class with him, you'd understand.
This guy has clearly not seen your body of work. Your followers know your standards. Be courageous.
I love the background music, shifting between Halo and Mass Effect, the feels
Something he said in there stuck out to me, and it's the part where he mentions the fact that he's an attorney, which is a pretty major statement (and crime) if you're not an attorney. Looked it up and he passed the Ohio state bar in Feb of this year and was sworn in this May. Congratulations to him, but if he's trying to pretend like he's got years of experience behind that statement, he's got another thing coming. Shit, I feel like I know next to nothing and I was sworn in before he even started studying for the bar. It's very disappointing when you see something like that from your own profession, especially considering all the negative stereotypes about attorneys. I'm not going to claim he's in violation of any of the fancy new ethics rules he just swore to this year, but taking a quick look through the Ohio rules of professional conduct, he might be dangerously close to skirting the outlined goals from #5 of the preamble (didn't look, but I'd assume there's a rule enforcing this part of the preamble. Would be a question for an Ohio attorney, and I am not sworn in in Ohio) stating "a lawyer should use the law's procedures only for legitimate purposes and not to harass or intimidate others." Might be something to look into, or have an Ohio attorney look into, especially if he is functionally lying to the court and misrepresenting information (which seems to be a major violation of O.R.P.C. 3.3).
Rut roh
him saying he’s an attorney is legal bud as he is allowed to do so having passed his bar exam and been sworn in. stop trying to fish for something that isn’t there. He never said how long he’s been practicing, you’re just reaching
@@cleonday You quite clearly missed the part in my first sentence where I said "If you're not an attorney" but I guess you're so busy trying to prove someone wrong on the internet you missed the operative part of that statement. And I'm fairly certain in most states you also need to pass the MPRE (or other equivalent) and pass the moral character requirements before you're sworn in, and only once you're sworn in can you can claim to be an attorney, but it's been a while since I had to worry about that. I know CA is like that, and I'm fairly certain every other state is as well.
And sure, it is a bit of a reach to say he's claiming he's acting from experience, but generally when you hear someone mention their profession (a certifiable and gatekept one at that), you would expect they've been practicing for longer than a couple of months. That's my point. He has functionally no experience, so sure "as an attorney" he could want to do lots of things, but that statement has no power and means nothing when "as an attorney" he's also done very little.
The funniest thing is, I had no problems with L&S and I was one of the early LP1 adopters (2nd batch I believe) as well, and I don't hate the dot. I don't want to risk breaking it so I never tested any durability, but I didn't hate anything about it other than how finicky the qd mount was. Additionally, it fogged up a lot when I was shooting, but I wasn't sure if that was because I was running an over gassed rifle with a suppressor or if it was an issue with the optic and I frankly never cared to find out. I threw it on a 22 and it's been perfectly fine since then. I wish they allowed us, as early adopters, to upgrade to the shutoff feature for the outer circle for free, but I know that's a tough decision to make when you know you're going to lose money doing so. When it comes to L&S's customer service, I've had no problems, but I was a little concerned when they required me to call in to confirm my credit card information when I first ordered my LP-1. That struck me as a little odd, but understandable because apparently they had been worried about credit card fraud or something? I didn't need to do that with any subsequent orders so I'm very willing to believe that, and I've had no problems in any email communications with L&S, so it's very interesting seeing this blowup from the outside. I wanted to continue supporting them, and I was genuinely considering an ARC and one of their pistol builder kits as a result of the pistol brace fiasco going on, but seeing Ahmad's reaction video (and seeing the defense of the company from people looking to throw insults without any information) is making me wonder about where my money is going. Looking through your other posts here, it's pretty clear you're not an impartial party, which is fine, but if you're going to start calling people out on things you should make sure you're correct first.
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NOW its a party
YO MISTA GG IS HERE
Show Crowder this .. He loves when Company bribe and act like scumbags !!!
I have an inherent distrust for "CEO's" who know every minutia of social media tricks to get traction etc. Just build good shit.
Yeah dude, Ahmad of lead and steal is a hack that marks up chinese and milspec garbage and sells them to low iq Redditors. Equivalent junk from Anderson and Holosun are hundreds of dollars cheaper and offer more function and features.
His has been a hyped approach from the get go.
Basic ass optic with huge hype.
You’re doing good work man! We the consumers appreciate the honesty.
Thank you for this response video and for not backing down. We support you and I appreciate the content you make. This will backfire horribly for lead and steel
Very well done! Excellent rebuttal, very objective and done wth class! You have my respect!
I won't say what I do for a living, but reading his body language, he's guilty of something, every sweaty, pasty faced nervous little laugh broadcasts it loud and clear. He definitely has L.P.S.😂
I’m glad I’m not the only one picking up on that.
Knowing how similar LP1 and turkish 3EEOS CRS are I would be pretty nervous as well :))
@@Ayattar55 it looks like essentially the same product, but I can’t find anywhere to buy the 3E version, so I don’t know how the prices compare. Obviously, running an American company is going to add to the cost, so I would expect the LP1 to be more expensive, but how much more expensive?
@@CutlassOutdoors I looked into buying it in Europe and sending overseas for direct comparison, but you can't buy it. It's bulk govt/mil/leo contracts only, as with several other manufacturers in the region. 3E CRS aren't new by the way, had their premiere before LP1 was announced.
@@Ayattar55whoa, it looks exactly the same with the same specs on 3E’s site lmao.
Wow man, i REALLY don't want to support them. I have 3 pandoras on pre order. They're already 3 months late on delivery. I tried to cancel and they refused. I dont respect people who do business like that. I appreciate you John.
I can try and help 🤙🏼
@@teabulls i believe its past the time frame thats possible, but im going to give them a call
@@goawaybaizuothreaten to get the state attorney general involved. Keep records of every interaction, preferably in writing.
@@goawaybaizuo Theres no time frame on bank charge backs. Ive charged back things from 2 years ago. You payed for a product/service. That product or service never came, you can charge back.
Every person who creates content as a main source of income, or as a part of their income, have an incentive to make a positive review if they are sent the product for free. Guns and gear are expensive, its not sustainable to make reviews in this industry when you have to pay for the product because you don't make money on the videos from TH-cam. That is why many people who do negative reviews sometimes have an alternative form of income. If a reviewer wants to be sent product in the future, they need to make a positive review. I remember a popular gun reviewer say he just didn't make a video instead of making a negative review. So companies know they won't get bad press from that reviewer. I can't fault companies for giving out some product for marketing/testing. But you have to be able to watch a negative review. Its a bad play by this company to start a fight over a bad review.
Hey man, you directly protected me as a consumer, and I want you to know that. I seriously was considering buying one, but wanted to wait for reviewers i trust to look the gun over.
Your original video itself didn't completely unsell me, what unsold me was the absolute sleezeball response. Slap-suits or threatening slap suits are one of the fastest ways to anger me as a customer. Critical reviewers are VITAL to customer saftey, and our legal system does not do enough to protect them. You rock, keep rocking, and thank you for giving him a chance to expose himself as the unhinged scrooge that he is.
He didn't want to pay you to get a positive review. He wanted to pay you to have some sort of control over the publicity of your honest review. He wants you to give him the negative feedback and no one else. Since you declined the offer, he's attempting to silence you through legal action.
Bingo
Yep. Basically I’ll pay you to make this “white paper” and sign an NDA… AFTER this has already gone sideways.
Lead and Shill is a garbage company that marks up chinese dots and calls th more “duty grade” than eotech and aimpoint, though their china dot is over $100 more than the superior holosun 512c with solar, better battery life, more rugged, and a better reticle + options.
Stand your ground sir, we all know why we're here!
Really appreciate your continued unbiased and tough reviews. Sorry you have to go through this.
Did anyone notice, all the guns on his wall don’t have a promethian LP1 on any of them? 😂 literally found it funny
He can't afford to have any of them on his own guns. They're all out there on guns with "special teams guys".
Holy shit good catch! Hahaha!
Virgin coffee shop owner vs the chad cringelord tiktoker
*redditor
Dude showed his true colors for all his future customers to see. Bad move Ahmad.
This is a terrible strategy for a company selling a 2A product
Love it. 😂 Youre editing might be better than your shooting and smithing. Maybe.
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That’s guys eagerness and giddiness over suing you makes be think he has dual citizenship in a small middle eastern country.
Y E S. I was thinking the same exact thing
Imagine if they changed the product for the better instead of throwing a fit and just try to censor the bad stuff
Thank you Hop for sending me down this rabbit hole. It's been entertaining 😊
This whole thing has big Paul Harrel Vs Gunnutz energy with you being Paul in this situation. You completely dismantled Ahmad and embarrassed him. Well done. This is what we need in the community: real reviews that aren’t bought corporate shills.
Do you still have their optic? I think you need to do a head to head direct comparison of a Pinty 20mm red dot. I've only ever seen one "clickbait" video from you, it was done in joking fashion & we all knew it.
Please just burn it all down. I'd wet myself if you recommended a $26 pinty red dot with better refresh rate and put the "affiliate link" money in an escrow to donate to "no child hungry" foundation.... like this guy should've instead of wasting money on a set of lawyers.
The CEO just insured that I will NEVER buy anything from his company.
Thanks for saving me 400 dollars
I guess I’ll just throw that at one of your uppers and get a real optic like the Romeo 8T
After watching the whole video.... dude i been watching for years, and like i said before NEVER CHANGE! A true guy helping the average end user
I'll prepay for a "Socially Inept" shirt.
Just as long as I don't have to wait 4 - 6 months for one lol
@@MrNpc81 that sounds like a cringe cookie cutter response!!
I appreciate your honesty and candidness. There are definitely content creators that I no longer watch because they only do glowing reviews. When I purchase a product that deficiencies have been noted on TH-cam, I always seem to have the same issue. I have stopped purchasing these products until there has been confirmation that the issue has been resolved. I thank you for your service to our community. I would like to know if there is a fund to help you with your legal expenses.
There is no fund. I appreciate it man!
I found your channel and bought an upper from you because of Hop
That rascal
I come here for the social ineptitude and justification not to spend my money on "the next big thing." Sometimes you fail me on the second by not hating everything. If only you were the doom-shill this man wants you to be, my bank account would be in a better shape.
I’m with the FocusTripp drip 🤙🏻
L&S CEO seems so disingenuous. I can tell by the way he tries to frame every encounter in a positive light for him.