Over and over he fails under pressure. If a team dont mind losing, well pick Manie. As general player not bad but as kicker, he cant cut it. He must go. International rugby nit for him.
Doc Craven said: You first pick your fly half and then you pick the rest of the rest of the team. Manie s kicking style cannot be fixed ,so it time for him to go.Never in a Bok jersey again please Rassie!!!!!%#@$()
U wrong by even questioning his ability. Manie is a gifted player. His ball skills are second to none. This is unfair criticism for a player who has won more games than what he lost for his team.
Mannie could have won us that game but missing that kick didn't lose us the game ,17 - 0 and argentina bounced back like they were playing against themselves . When the captain can't carry the ball a meter forward what the fuck are you people expecting 🤷♂️ if Vincent and Eben stayed on the bench for a nother sec it would have been 50-28 eaazzyyy
Even the English commentators did not wanted to read out his name when announcing the reserves I think he was Owen but not one time during the game he criticize Fassi mapimpi for weak defence
Natuurlik sal ek verstaan j is wit, interesant j blameer ni Polard wie se conversion bokke sou instead van 28 eerder 30 gekry het. Kyk met kritiek, ma altwee het 1 skop gemis, op kritieke tye, but ja, dus Manie se skuld,
As Rassie said: SA should NEVER have been in a situation to win, to leave it to a single kick! He also said it was a gamble that did not pay off. Then again if you look at the entirety of Libbok's contribution and the primary schoolboy error of fudging the penalty kick for the 5meter lineout...and his poor inaccurate passing ...just overall poor, poor decisions in the few minutes he was on the field...it was just one of his off days. We all know, a nr.10 CANNOT have an off day! Pollard had off days...Jantjies had off days...and SA lost those games beautifully! Something I have also noticed many years back with Libbok playing for the Stormers during the URC.....Dobson could spot Libbok being a liabilty....sometimes as early as 15...20mins into a game and would sub him immediately! And yes I fully agree with your analogy of employment: you cock up in your job, the Labour Act then protects you four...five times...but then your ass is out! But many times certain individuals remain untouchable....no matter how many times they cock up! Then again, and I really dont want to bring politics into this...but ja, let's also look at the SA ministers...from Exec all the way down to local authorities...I don't think I need to say more. We need to ask ourselves: are members of of our national teams (not only rugby) really the best of the best of the best? And, if not, why not? Final thought: Proof that compliance before competence is indeed the best??????? Thnx for the vid!
My advice to Manie, pack your bag, go play in Europe and earn pounds. These haters will always be on your case. 4 tries in a space of 20 minutes against the boks, and the focus is on Manie, the scape goat.
Percy sucked in goal kicking in 1997, we lost the Lions series because of his goal kicking but he fixed it and from 98 till the end of his career, he was the guy. Libbok seems he didn’t care despite the outcry from the RWC last year.
Why is everyone on Mannie Libbock's case. Pollard missed a kick & missed a tackle bmt stuff that led to a try for Argentinians but the public overlook their golden boy Pollard. Looks like Manie is the only one making mistakes. Ja it's good to win but than you need to do it in a proper way. Not by 1 point. Springboks game yesterday wasn't pretty at all. Now they also know how it feels to loose by one point. Just my view as a Springbok Supporter
While I agree with your sentiments, I still feel really bad for Libbok. He must be gutted right now. 😢He must also know that, outside of an act of God, his bok career might be over. Hendrikse might be taking his spot from now on
We didnt lose because of Manie. He had 2 opportunities to give the TEAM the advantage. He over cooked a kick to the corner and missed the penalty at goal.
Where is it written that the 10 has to kick. Give the lad the opportunity to be a genius. Leave the kicking to lesser mortals. If you want an example, study the career of Finn Russell.
@ewenmaclead15 Dude, if you're gonna be a fly-half for the boks, you have to be a good goal kicker it is law. We tend to pick specialists. Take Ox, for example, there are props who can get around the park better, but he's picked because he's a hell of a scrumager. Perfecting your primary duty is what gets you picked and is what makes you retain your spot. We don't have a luxury of a Percy Montgomery anymore. A Springbok 10 simply has to able to kick the bloody ball.
Why is it such. a debate for the past 6 to 8 games he has conceded between 8 to 15 points every time which has overall contributed to the loss of a game he is too costly to keep him on in the green and gold jersey the game is just too competitive to keep him on as our kicker
Manie came on in the 60th minute. He wasn't the reason the Boks were behind. Also Pollard missed points. You look like you've never played a single game of rugby in your life.
Think about the match against France in the World Cup. Two teams are very close. There's quality all over the park. We get a scrum pen, a chance to take the lead. Do you want Libbok kicking that pen? NOOOOO!!! you don't. We won't blow everybody out the water. We gonna have close games where a kick decides everything. Manie is not good enough.
a flyhalf is a playmaker by nature a flyhalf knows that 60% of his game is kicking for goal or winning territory he even kicked the ball dead, which could have been a line out maul =try e.g its like a quarterback in NFL, if his throw is off, they fail its a 15 man game yes, but you must step up, its your moment
We need at least two kickers, like when we had de Beer a Percy or Eales, Burke and Larkham. Great teams always had more than one kickers. Libbok cannot kick
SA has better fly halfs that needs a chance , i think the pressure is too much for manie especially after missing a kick in the world cup that cost them the game. If manie got this kick over he would of gotten his confidence back i am pretty sure but the pressure was to high for him he needs to go back to province teams to prove himself
I think Rassie should look into bringing Ethan Wentzel from the Cheetahs into the bok squad because he’s a good attacking 10 & he’s still young & he can kick
Why does everyone blame Mannie? Let's be honest did his miss kick cost us the game or... Marx bad line outs Kurtleys high tackle that cost us 4 tries Or Reinachs terrible kicking choices Or our terrible defense. Stop blaming Mannie and rather get behind the boys and start encouraging them. I trust The man that put guys together and won 2 world cups, the rest of us that ain't bok potential needs to start trusting😂
Boks only scrummed well all aspects of the game was $#@& no front foot ball for backline to attack and with Am at inside centre everyone was playing for himself
@@HayManned Masuku showed big match mentality in the Challenge Cup Semi final where he lead the comeback against Clermont. Hitting the winning conversion at the end of the game. He then bossed Gloucester in the final. Man has BMT by the boat load.
Before the game I read a lot of comments about how great it was too see Libbok back and how he must show the rugby world just how great he is ,blah ,blah ,blah. That's the thing with these "world cup Bok supporters" who jumped onto the wagon end of last year. You never saw Manie under pressure in the URC final where he basically played for Munster. Ps. URC stands for United Rugby Championship (that's for the "Fong Kong Bok supporters"). Libbok have never been very good at rugby and he is just in the team for political reasons. There ,somebody said what REAL SUPPORTERS of rugby already knew for a number of years now.
The guy can't kick at all. People say its not his fault we lost but it is. You're going to have situations were two top quality teams are so close that a kick decides the entire match. I don't want Libbok kicking for posts in that scenario. Somebody else should be given the chance. We tossed away Jordan Hendrikse after having a poor debut and we give Manie countless opportunities. The guy's got to go, go!! The fella's gotta go!!!
My gevoel is. Jammer Ek is Nie negatief Nie. Stem Saam as jy gekies word as n Springbok Vir n Doel en veral as n losskakel behoort jy as speeler op te staan in presure Tye. Veral Soos vanoggend 1 skop en nee dit was Ni n moeilike skop Nie. Dus voor die Palle skop die bal oor. Mannie ht te veel bewegings en vat te lank. Stel Di bal tree terug en Hou jy kop AF en skop. Ek ht self Palle toe geskop op my Dae. Jammer Mannie maar it Kos ons as Springbokke games. Jy word betaal Vir jou Doel in daai span. So skrik wakker jy maak dit moeilik Vir jou self
Hi mannie is his own enemy but how many times was Willie Le Roux given to his test career one mistake and you guys are harsh on mannie it takes time to perfection how long will it takes you to built a relatioship with your girlfriend to get married
1. Drop Mannie whilst there is still time for 2027 wc. Forget about Mannie. You dont owe him anything. I think he can never be better than what he is today. Mannie has been given more than enough time to prove himself, but he has failed dismally. 2. Give Sacha more game time. 3. Get more no. 10s so that there is back up just in case. 4. The fullbacks should also take up the kicking roles 5. Last but not least, keep Pollard so that the new guys learn as much as they can from the veteran.
Manie can play if we have another goal kicker, like in 2007 when Percy kicked while Butch James on flyhalf. I think Manie is good player, but not kicker
I dont agree with you , If you feel so strong about this take a look at the Springboks of 2007 Butch jame was @ 10 and Percy @ 15 but percy was hailed with Habana to bring the cup for us. No one said Butch Jame must kick or drop Buth James from 10. So to come on this platform and to decide the fate of a young talented player such as Manie is not for you and me to judge him for sinking the game. We should blame all 15 players for for not sealing the game for us. The same game when Pollard miss a kick we say he has got a off day @ work and we overlook he's mistake So we overlook certain players mistakes and others not. So we accepted a 15 to kick in the past and a 10 not. I still feel that Manie has got alot to offer us as a nation and we can solve that issue now as we have done in 2007. We can do the same now with Manie @10 and Sacha or Jordan @ 15
Manie came on in the 60th minute. He wasn't the reason the Boks were behind. Also Pollard missed points. You look like you've never played a single game of rugby in your life.
Over and over he fails under pressure. If a team dont mind losing, well pick Manie. As general player not bad but as kicker, he cant cut it. He must go. International rugby nit for him.
Its not Manies fault, He's not supposed to be there.
should this even be a question when we have given Willie Le Roux a million chances having made a million mistakes.
True❤
True dat
It's about pay cheques ,then he can retired well off is old for the game
Rassie is the only one who knows that he didn't lose the game! It was lost on defense!!
If it was lost on defence then you still lost the match.
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Doc Craven said: You first pick your fly half and then you pick the rest of the rest of the team.
Manie s kicking style cannot be fixed ,so it time for him to go.Never in a Bok jersey again please Rassie!!!!!%#@$()
We can fix his style very easily… however allowing him to kick at 62% is a coaching error
U wrong by even questioning his ability. Manie is a gifted player. His ball skills are second to none. This is unfair criticism for a player who has won more games than what he lost for his team.
Mannie could have won us that game but missing that kick didn't lose us the game ,17 - 0 and argentina bounced back like they were playing against themselves . When the captain can't carry the ball a meter forward what the fuck are you people expecting 🤷♂️ if Vincent and Eben stayed on the bench for a nother sec it would have been 50-28 eaazzyyy
That not manie fauit 15man is inthefield
All his fault
Maybe try commenting in comprehensible English before your 20 brandies
Even the English commentators did not wanted to read out his name when announcing the reserves I think he was Owen but not one time during the game he criticize Fassi mapimpi for weak defence
Like he cost us the game against Ireland.
Natuurlik sal ek verstaan j is wit, interesant j blameer ni Polard wie se conversion bokke sou instead van 28 eerder 30 gekry het. Kyk met kritiek, ma altwee het 1 skop gemis, op kritieke tye, but ja, dus Manie se skuld,
he must go back to club rugby and go mess around there
Bring the same energy when other players make mistakes please. Pollard also missess and yet dead silence.
Oh please.... no comparison...
I see u feeling sick? Get well soon.
Pollard haven’t lost a game before for missing kicks
As Rassie said: SA should NEVER have been in a situation to win, to leave it to a single kick! He also said it was a gamble that did not pay off.
Then again if you look at the entirety of Libbok's contribution and the primary schoolboy error of fudging the penalty kick for the 5meter lineout...and his poor inaccurate passing ...just overall poor, poor decisions in the few minutes he was on the field...it was just one of his off days. We all know, a nr.10 CANNOT have an off day! Pollard had off days...Jantjies had off days...and SA lost those games beautifully!
Something I have also noticed many years back with Libbok playing for the Stormers during the URC.....Dobson could spot Libbok being a liabilty....sometimes as early as 15...20mins into a game and would sub him immediately!
And yes I fully agree with your analogy of employment: you cock up in your job, the Labour Act then protects you four...five times...but then your ass is out! But many times certain individuals remain untouchable....no matter how many times they cock up! Then again, and I really dont want to bring politics into this...but ja, let's also look at the SA ministers...from Exec all the way down to local authorities...I don't think I need to say more.
We need to ask ourselves: are members of of our national teams (not only rugby) really the best of the best of the best? And, if not, why not?
Final thought: Proof that compliance before competence is indeed the best???????
Thnx for the vid!
My advice to Manie, pack your bag, go play in Europe and earn pounds. These haters will always be on your case. 4 tries in a space of 20 minutes against the boks, and the focus is on Manie, the scape goat.
Which European Club will sign him... 😂
Percy sucked in goal kicking in 1997, we lost the Lions series because of his goal kicking but he fixed it and from 98 till the end of his career, he was the guy. Libbok seems he didn’t care despite the outcry from the RWC last year.
Why is everyone on Mannie Libbock's case. Pollard missed a kick & missed a tackle bmt stuff that led to a try for Argentinians but the public overlook their golden boy Pollard. Looks like Manie is the only one making mistakes. Ja it's good to win but than you need to do it in a proper way. Not by 1 point. Springboks game yesterday wasn't pretty at all. Now they also know how it feels to loose by one point. Just my view as a Springbok Supporter
While I agree with your sentiments, I still feel really bad for Libbok. He must be gutted right now. 😢He must also know that, outside of an act of God, his bok career might be over. Hendrikse might be taking his spot from now on
Why people blind to Polards key miss conversion, both Manie and Polard missed 1 key kick
We didnt lose because of Manie. He had 2 opportunities to give the TEAM the advantage. He over cooked a kick to the corner and missed the penalty at goal.
Did Mannie play against Ireland in Durban ?
Is dit amper soos hy vir Willie al jare trug mos shack?
Where is it written that the 10 has to kick. Give the lad the opportunity to be a genius. Leave the kicking to lesser mortals. If you want an example, study the career of Finn Russell.
You a dreamer no doubt kerp on dreaming about Manie, the rest of SA loves winning not dreaming about winning like years ago when AB were unbeatable.
Not even a place for manie in the stormers mix
@ewenmaclead15 Dude, if you're gonna be a fly-half for the boks, you have to be a good goal kicker it is law. We tend to pick specialists. Take Ox, for example, there are props who can get around the park better, but he's picked because he's a hell of a scrumager. Perfecting your primary duty is what gets you picked and is what makes you retain your spot. We don't have a luxury of a Percy Montgomery anymore. A Springbok 10 simply has to able to kick the bloody ball.
They must remove goals kick from penalties and play rugby from line outs and then ball do the work , some teams depends on penalty goal kicks
@@ManieVanRooi you're bias because you share a name with the worst kicker of all time
Why is it such. a debate for the past 6 to 8 games he has conceded between 8 to 15 points every time which has overall contributed to the loss of a game he is too costly to keep him on in the green and gold jersey the game is just too competitive to keep him on as our kicker
Manie came on in the 60th minute. He wasn't the reason the Boks were behind. Also Pollard missed points.
You look like you've never played a single game of rugby in your life.
Think about the match against France in the World Cup. Two teams are very close. There's quality all over the park. We get a scrum pen, a chance to take the lead.
Do you want Libbok kicking that pen? NOOOOO!!! you don't.
We won't blow everybody out the water. We gonna have close games where a kick decides everything.
Manie is not good enough.
Presies, Polard key conversion, would have made score 28 +2=30
Who are you????
Nobody. Probably never played a game in his life.
He's a Springbok fan just like you. He has a right to an opinion.
a flyhalf is a playmaker by nature
a flyhalf knows that
60% of his game is kicking for goal or winning territory
he even kicked the ball dead, which could have been a line out maul =try
e.g
its like a quarterback in NFL, if his throw is off, they fail
its a 15 man game yes, but you must step up, its your moment
We need at least two kickers, like when we had de Beer a Percy or Eales, Burke and Larkham. Great teams always had more than one kickers. Libbok cannot kick
Mannie Libbok is a runner not a kicker.
Agree, there's no excuses for Manies inconsistencies with kicking,he has to go.Look for other no 10 eg at Lions and Sharks this Curry Cup final 🤦😬💪
Anyone can miss a kick, happens to the best, its always a gamble, there were bungles on both sides,bad luck,
Pollard maybe a better kicker but manie is a better play maker
Example Bachop of All Blacks was not a kickable flyhalf
Done PLEASE!!!!!!
SA has better fly halfs that needs a chance , i think the pressure is too much for manie especially after missing a kick in the world cup that cost them the game. If manie got this kick over he would of gotten his confidence back i am pretty sure but the pressure was to high for him he needs to go back to province teams to prove himself
I think Rassie should look into bringing Ethan Wentzel from the Cheetahs into the bok squad because he’s a good attacking 10 & he’s still young & he can kick
I fully agree with you
Not a bad player, just not Springbok quality for the number 10 jersey.
Please let Manie go
Manie and moerat must go
Why does everyone blame Mannie? Let's be honest did his miss kick cost us the game or...
Marx bad line outs
Kurtleys high tackle that cost us 4 tries
Or Reinachs terrible kicking choices
Or our terrible defense.
Stop blaming Mannie and rather get behind the boys and start encouraging them.
I trust The man that put guys together and won 2 world cups, the rest of us that ain't bok potential needs to start trusting😂
If u rewatch the last 2 minutes...Jessie kriel blatantly enters from the side....was a Pumas penalty not Boks...TMO and ref fast asleep!!!😢
Personally His fired!
But realistically speaking he will grow
Boks only scrummed well all aspects of the game was $#@& no front foot ball for backline to attack and with Am at inside centre everyone was playing for himself
So you NEVER FAILED IN LIFE.F the boss boss
Manie has failed time and time again. Drop him
I can't believe Siya Masuku wasn't the 2nd choice Outhalf for SA. He was brilliant last season.
Jordan Hendrikse is better
@@HayManned Masuku outplayed Hendrikse last season. The Sharks wouldn't have won a trophy without him. I'd pick him.
@@Mojo-IRE jordan has insane bmt. I'm yet to see Masuku slot a 60m penalty
@@HayManned Masuku showed big match mentality in the Challenge Cup Semi final where he lead the comeback against Clermont. Hitting the winning conversion at the end of the game.
He then bossed Gloucester in the final. Man has BMT by the boat load.
Before the game I read a lot of comments about how great it was too see Libbok back and how he must show the rugby world just how great he is ,blah ,blah ,blah. That's the thing with these "world cup Bok supporters" who jumped onto the wagon end of last year. You never saw Manie under pressure in the URC final where he basically played for Munster. Ps. URC stands for United Rugby Championship (that's for the "Fong Kong Bok supporters"). Libbok have never been very good at rugby and he is just in the team for political reasons. There ,somebody said what REAL SUPPORTERS of rugby already knew for a number of years now.
Fassi mapimpi Am too if that's politically right
Man you should shut up
The guy can't kick at all. People say its not his fault we lost but it is. You're going to have situations were two top quality teams are so close that a kick decides the entire match. I don't want Libbok kicking for posts in that scenario.
Somebody else should be given the chance. We tossed away Jordan Hendrikse after having a poor debut and we give Manie countless opportunities.
The guy's got to go, go!! The fella's gotta go!!!
Manie is nie n bok libok
My gevoel is. Jammer Ek is Nie negatief Nie. Stem Saam as jy gekies word as n Springbok Vir n Doel en veral as n losskakel behoort jy as speeler op te staan in presure Tye. Veral Soos vanoggend 1 skop en nee dit was Ni n moeilike skop Nie. Dus voor die Palle skop die bal oor. Mannie ht te veel bewegings en vat te lank. Stel Di bal tree terug en Hou jy kop AF en skop. Ek ht self Palle toe geskop op my Dae. Jammer Mannie maar it Kos ons as Springbokke games. Jy word betaal Vir jou Doel in daai span. So skrik wakker jy maak dit moeilik Vir jou self
Simple answer NO NO NO
It’s risky to play Manie
Pollard Moe's nooit die veld verlaat ht nie
High risk
man,manie se gat!
Erasmus to blame 🙈🙈🙈🤡🤡🤡
Hi mannie is his own enemy but how many times was Willie Le Roux given to his test career one mistake and you guys are harsh on mannie it takes time to perfection how long will it takes you to built a relatioship with your girlfriend to get married
1. Drop Mannie whilst there is still time for 2027 wc. Forget about Mannie. You dont owe him anything. I think he can never be better than what he is today. Mannie has been given more than enough time to prove himself, but he has failed dismally.
2. Give Sacha more game time.
3. Get more no. 10s so that there is back up just in case.
4. The fullbacks should also take up the kicking roles
5. Last but not least, keep Pollard so that the new guys learn as much as they can from the veteran.
Manie can play if we have another goal kicker, like in 2007 when Percy kicked while Butch James on flyhalf. I think Manie is good player, but not kicker
Libbok is done He doesnt deserve another chance Jordan Hendricks is a better proposition and so is it with Moerat
Please Rassie can't we just get over this guy. He is really bringing nothing to SA rugby any more
No I do not think so
sacha is a far better player then manie .. even hendrikse is better .. manie only played well against scotland
what abt eskom and a few others had horrible games like so bad like even the lions would be better jordan hendrikse cant even be lions first choice
So gaan kak moet nie stront praat nie
Mannie must go..
I dont agree with you , If you feel so strong about this take a look at the Springboks of 2007 Butch jame was @ 10 and Percy @ 15 but percy was hailed with Habana to bring the cup for us.
No one said Butch Jame must kick or drop Buth James from 10.
So to come on this platform and to decide the fate of a young talented player such as Manie is not for you and me to judge him for sinking the game.
We should blame all 15 players for for not sealing the game for us.
The same game when Pollard miss a kick we say he has got a off day @ work and we overlook he's mistake
So we overlook certain players mistakes and others not.
So we accepted a 15 to kick in the past and a 10 not.
I still feel that Manie has got alot to offer us as a nation and we can solve that issue now as we have done in 2007.
We can do the same now with Manie @10 and Sacha or Jordan @ 15
Because Pollard is good. Manie isn't.
Manie came on in the 60th minute. He wasn't the reason the Boks were behind. Also Pollard missed points.
You look like you've never played a single game of rugby in your life.
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