Nationalism became a dirty word but nationalism created the Westphalian concept of nation-state sovereignty based on territoriality and the absence of a role for external agents in domestic structures. Europe needs to revisit the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia which ended the 30 year war.
Westphalia and the implementation of it's ideas on "balance of power" caused many more useless European wars even into the 20th century. I do agree that I wish that people knew what words like nationalism mean in an historical context
ENVY! And jobs. This is all about envy and jobs. Economics - the cost of living is what makes people desperate when it's too high, so they feed off of their envy and attack and attempt to replace those who are doing well. This woke craze is method of doing this, feeding off of other people's desire to be good and do right while simultaneously looking destroy good people who are more talented and better educated and more dedicated to the actual tasks at hand.
And what past and who's past History is not on the side of any race or kingdom Every successful kingdom g-raped pillaged and enslaved other nations colonisation of their enemies From sumer several thousand years ago up to our present day China Don't be intellectually dishonest over history The west didn't start these practices Islam put more people to death and put into slavery than the European Church I say European because the teaching of Christianity was in asia and Africa before it was established in Europe But that doesn't fit the race baiting narrative of today The first christian kingdom was in Ethiopia the first fully illustrated bible was from Ethiopia What you want is a hatred for the west being taught not truth If I've got you wrong I apologise
Stop saying, "What about this group, or that group, they are worse." You're playing into their miserable game when you do that. Take a stand and say no. You'll not be shamed and cuked into irrelevance.
Why is it that you Europeans don’t talk about the colonization of the Middle East Africa, and up into Central Europe, almost by the ARABS/Muslims. Let’s not forget the Arabs that the Muslims who enslaved blacks and whites where is their talk of reparations the Arab still enslaved black Africans and no one talks about that so your whole conversation is hypocritical.
Teach the people the brutality of colonialism, but they will not do that by break down all the evidance , street names buildings and so fort. Make people aware of the meaning and history behind street names, instatutions. What sort of future will we have totaly without any meaning, must we forbid the word apartheid so that is better for our feelings? This kind of debate must be much more on TH-cam to watch Thank you for this upload and my excuus for my teriblle English, so not all Dutch speak English so well ❤
Edward Said, whose family was evicted from their home in Palestine, was a brilliant, courageous, and an immensely reasonable man. The problem I am hearing is not so much about history and identity. Those are just the hot topics of the moment. The problem is the deteriorating manner of our public dialogue. Too many voices, each clamouring to be listened to and acknowledged, each terrified about a suspicion they have that they became irrelevant and obsolete in this new, socially brutal, unforgiving, and uncertain age. I think we all need to slow down on the hysteria and histrionics. It could all get out of hand one of these days.
You want to know if western countries were moral or not ? Just study what islamic nations did to the natives of all countries they concored and to the native of their own countries who did not convert‼️‼️‼️‼️
Specifically on the Hungarian minister speaking about the emerging global south being determined on winning the 21 century he is right in his advice. Old proverb said that you should keep your friends close but your enemies you should keep even closer .
Marie Kawthar Daouda is at Oxford University and this is the best she can come up with? A child could drive a carriage and four through her arguments and not even feel a bump!
Nations are no solution, not least because they want history to suit their political prejudices and power groups, history made an instrument of present political ends. When the Irish Times said something worthy about Neville Chamberlain the newspaper accepted a malcontent reply, following the market.
You will surely be the arbiter of the *REAL* history....why don't you also examine the *REAL* history off all countries on Earth correctly as well? Only "Western history?" Ok..
So does Arab and African history as for example slavery wasn't invented by America or the west. Long before America and west black Africans enslaved other black Africans. Just to give you an example.
If you dig into European history without bias and prejudice and the victim mentality/slave morality it is pretty clear to understand. Friedrich Nietzsche made the case, so people don't have to re invent the wheel.
The Hungarian goal, established so long ago is based on the homogenous nature of countries with a long history. The US, a very young country, has been organizing society "on the fly". The 20th Century was defined by immigration. Naturally, people from multiple areas and cultures will find it hard to agree on almost anything. Because our government is obsessed by being the most powerful on earth, politicians use divisive tactics to create instability. This makes it's citizens easier to manipulate and control bt turning people against each other. We have no common purpose or unifying institutions. The West continues to support the last colonizer. Israel. You are indeed, trying to gaslight your target.
Let's look at all major conflicts happening in the world, Ukraine, Middle East, Hama, South China Sea, Taiwan......... Without fail, United States is involved in each and everyone of them. Do we know why?
well, i dont think there is anything wrong with demonising surpemacism and ghencoide, and ethnic cleansing, and the erasure of native cultures but, then again, i am a brown citizen, of a brownformer colony of a european empire. so, by your logic, i am a lesser kind of human
Don't keep on talking about racism, slavery aso.. this only obstructs the nowadays normal live.. it's in the past, to call whites racist aso isn't helping me or my black fellow man, cos it's dividing... One man isn't better than another man ir woman...
The people who "worry" about the decline of Western civilization seem to be those with "something to lose" as human awareness evolves into a larger field as "some awakened persons" tell us that ALL life on Earth is part of a great "Matrix" of connections. I "feel" my belonging to the soil, the water, the air, the plants that feed me, the people who process and deliver my "material necessities" so I can live in a plentiful little bubble of the "White Entitlement" of my 73 years in Canadian society. "Interbeing" has been suggested as the new paradigm of sustainable existence needs cooperation on climate issues and supplying food and shelter for billions of people who must now "design" a means of preserving the "natural environment" that we depend on for our continued existence. So forget your White Supremacy, or at least admit it, and let's all move on to a more "equitable sharing, like ENDING the French colonies in Africa with that African Franc as a currency that bleeds the wealth of 14 African nations back to France. De-colonization is not YET complete, and what continues is the PROOF of White Supremacy STILL being the Force Majeur of poverty.
no more hungarians and no more hungary......isolation is for hungary...because they chose orban and putin by the way Mathias Corvinus was ethnic Romanian
Nationalism became a dirty word but nationalism created the Westphalian concept of nation-state sovereignty based on territoriality and the absence of a role for external agents in domestic structures. Europe needs to revisit the 1648 Treaty of Westphalia which ended the 30 year war.
Westphalia and the implementation of it's ideas on "balance of power" caused many more useless European wars even into the 20th century. I do agree that I wish that people knew what words like nationalism mean in an historical context
ENVY! And jobs. This is all about envy and jobs. Economics - the cost of living is what makes people desperate when it's too high, so they feed off of their envy and attack and attempt to replace those who are doing well. This woke craze is method of doing this, feeding off of other people's desire to be good and do right while simultaneously looking destroy good people who are more talented and better educated and more dedicated to the actual tasks at hand.
People are not asking for the past to be fully forgotten but to be fully acknowledged.
And what past and who's past
History is not on the side of any race or kingdom
Every successful kingdom g-raped pillaged and enslaved other nations colonisation of their enemies
From sumer several thousand years ago up to our present day China
Don't be intellectually dishonest over history
The west didn't start these practices
Islam put more people to death and put into slavery than the European Church
I say European because the teaching of Christianity was in asia and Africa before it was established in Europe
But that doesn't fit the race baiting narrative of today
The first christian kingdom was in Ethiopia the first fully illustrated bible was from Ethiopia
What you want is a hatred for the west being taught not truth
If I've got you wrong I apologise
Stop saying, "What about this group, or that group, they are worse."
You're playing into their miserable game when you do that.
Take a stand and say no. You'll not be shamed and cuked into irrelevance.
Why is it that you Europeans don’t talk about the colonization of the Middle East Africa, and up into Central Europe, almost by the ARABS/Muslims.
Let’s not forget the Arabs that the Muslims who enslaved blacks and whites where is their talk of reparations the Arab still enslaved black Africans and no one talks about that so your whole conversation is hypocritical.
Zionist
Because it doesnt fit the elite narrative. They want easy to control natives and mass migration
Most of these people are yews
@@cros34You answered the OPs question and identified zey/zem with one word. The ownership group runs the West and controls OPs mind
@@cros34You answered the OPs question and identified zey/zem with one word.
Teach the people the brutality of colonialism, but they will not do that by break down all the evidance , street names buildings
and so fort. Make people aware of the meaning and history behind street names, instatutions. What sort of future will we have totaly without any meaning, must we forbid the word apartheid so that is better for our feelings?
This kind of debate must be much more on TH-cam to watch
Thank you for this upload and my excuus for my teriblle English, so not all Dutch speak English so well
❤
One of the last guys on the audience destroyed the whole whitewashing… 😂😂😂
You do not right the old wrongs -- you just deal with and suck it up.
the past is there for learning, not blaming.
Edward Said, whose family was evicted from their home in Palestine, was a brilliant, courageous, and an immensely reasonable man.
The problem I am hearing is not so much about history and identity. Those are just the hot topics of the moment. The problem is the deteriorating manner of our public dialogue. Too many voices, each clamouring to be listened to and acknowledged, each terrified about a suspicion they have that they became irrelevant and obsolete in this new, socially brutal, unforgiving, and uncertain age. I think we all need to slow down on the hysteria and histrionics. It could all get out of hand one of these days.
It's meant to get out of hand. It always does at the end of the epoch. It's the next apocalaughs..
You want to know if western countries were moral or not ? Just study what islamic nations did to the natives of all countries they concored and to the native of their own countries who did not convert‼️‼️‼️‼️
Muslim nations made non Muslims pay higher taxes. That's about it. The rest is your indoctrination talking
Specifically on the Hungarian minister speaking about the emerging global south being determined on winning the 21 century he is right in his advice. Old proverb said that you should keep your friends close but your enemies you should keep even closer .
Hungarian guy talks about betrayal in regards to the Ottomans, forgets to mention the Hunnic invasion of Europe.
😢Enlightening 🤔Discussion ✊🏿💔
Marie Kawthar Daouda is at Oxford University and this is the best she can come up with? A child could drive a carriage and four through her arguments and not even feel a bump!
Oxford is Woke and Extreme Left,,,
😢NATIONs WILL TELL THEIR OWN HISTORY/ STORIES ✊🏿❤
Nations are no solution, not least because they want history to suit their political prejudices and power groups, history made an instrument of present political ends. When the Irish Times said something worthy about Neville Chamberlain the newspaper accepted a malcontent reply, following the market.
Western history first needs to be rewritten correctly.
You will surely be the arbiter of the *REAL* history....why don't you also examine the *REAL* history off all countries on Earth correctly as well? Only "Western history?" Ok..
Enjoy your eternal future
So does Arab and African history as for example slavery wasn't invented by America or the west.
Long before America and west black Africans enslaved other black Africans.
Just to give you an example.
@@keerpuntbelgiekapitalisto5014 Why are you going on the defense with the what about ism.
If you dig into European history without bias and prejudice and the victim mentality/slave morality it is pretty clear to understand. Friedrich Nietzsche made the case, so people don't have to re invent the wheel.
Lady who translated Quran fron ancient arabic to Russia i guess wears hats and evening dresses
The Hungarian goal, established so long ago is based on the homogenous nature of countries with a long history.
The US, a very young country, has been organizing society
"on the fly". The 20th Century was defined by immigration.
Naturally, people from multiple areas and cultures will find it hard to agree on almost anything. Because our government is obsessed by being the most powerful on earth, politicians use divisive tactics to create instability.
This makes it's citizens easier to manipulate and control bt turning people against each other. We have no common purpose or unifying institutions. The West continues to support the last colonizer. Israel. You are indeed, trying to gaslight your target.
First speaker is not Western.
Let's look at all major conflicts happening in the world, Ukraine, Middle East, Hama, South China Sea, Taiwan......... Without fail, United States is involved in each and everyone of them. Do we know why?
It began about 130 years ago. Starts with ZI. It's associated with a nation. IZ...
The war on western history òr war on western lies.
well, i dont think there is anything wrong with demonising surpemacism and ghencoide, and ethnic cleansing, and the erasure of native cultures
but, then again, i am a brown citizen, of a brownformer colony of a european empire.
so, by your logic, i am a lesser kind of human
Kannste dir nicht vorstellen, was Frauen für Geld so alles machen !
😢I'll FORGET 💔 When WE get REPARATIONS ✊🏿❤️
Bahaha
Don't keep on talking about racism, slavery aso.. this only obstructs the nowadays normal live.. it's in the past, to call whites racist aso isn't helping me or my black fellow man, cos it's dividing... One man isn't better than another man ir woman...
The people who "worry" about the decline of Western civilization seem to be those with "something to lose" as human awareness evolves into a larger field as "some awakened persons" tell us that ALL life on Earth is part of a great "Matrix" of connections. I "feel" my belonging to the soil, the water, the air, the plants that feed me, the people who process and deliver my "material necessities" so I can live in a plentiful little bubble of the "White Entitlement" of my 73 years in Canadian society. "Interbeing" has been suggested as the new paradigm of sustainable existence needs cooperation on climate issues and supplying food and shelter for billions of people who must now "design" a means of preserving the "natural environment" that we depend on for our continued existence. So forget your White Supremacy, or at least admit it, and let's all move on to a more "equitable sharing, like ENDING the French colonies in Africa with that African Franc as a currency that bleeds the wealth of 14 African nations back to France. De-colonization is not YET complete, and what continues is the PROOF of White Supremacy STILL being the Force Majeur of poverty.
You said that the US had a problem of race but not so much Britain. What? who brought slavery to North America? Wasn't it the British Empire?
What they have done too is steal from and kill their opponents.. like in India, Egypt, Greece and Italie....
no more hungarians and no more hungary......isolation is for hungary...because they chose orban and putin
by the way Mathias Corvinus was ethnic Romanian