99% of the cameras on the market are better than the users who own them. Way too much number and spec wars between folk who should focus on becoming better at the art of shooting rather than gear experts.
Camera companies have figured out that focusing consumers on the shortcomings of technology instead of their own abilities is much more palatable & profitable.
They may be packed with features but they also lack the basic package together and they lack the modern processing found in every smartphone today. I'm looking for few simple specs: 1) big sensor and fast lens for low noise in low light (shooting on the streets at night), 2) 4K 60p for good quality, future proof high resolution with smooth motion capture, 3) stabilization for handheld shooting. Right now I can get some of those but not all and the best options are still quite expensive as here with the 50mm f/1.4. Panasonic has big sensor but crops in 60p. Fujifilm crops much less but has no IBIS and the lenses aren't that fast or stabilized either. Of course if you don't need video and don't print large you can use 20 year old DSLR and you'll have still fine images for web use but that's not what we are for, right?
People get crazy with specs and numbers... The image quality of the GH5S is absolutely stunning for the price, So I think the S1 will produce an Image quality that is worth the price.
the weight however I worry about it. Ibis or no ibis full frame S1, if you have mussle fatigue, no shot will be great until you have the gh5 and a light and fast mft lens .. I allready experienced problems with a sigma lens, speedbooster and gh5. And this makes me think about a shoulder camera. Expensive, horrible outpriced camera's with outdated sensors and limited feature set, not the best IQ at least under 10 000, but you get a compact working sollution for making video's with audio and the perception of people that you are or could be professional.
Remember 3 years ago when sony had no lenses and they couldn't autofocus for shit?? Now they're hailed as top dog. It's as if people think panasonic in partnership with sigma wont do any development at all. Sure, they don't have all the answers right now, but I'm excited for the future of a company like panasonic with a history of listening to customers needs
It really annoys me that a company would charge for “future features “ in a firmware update. It’s just simple thievery. I understand firmwares usually improve the camera but this is just unlocking features the camera hardware is already capable off. ... Charge me a little more at purchase but then quit charging me
Its like the video game industry, you buy then only to have to buy the dlc, then buy a dlc costume, then next thing you know, you have to pay for dlc start button
@@YoungBlaze and that makes it right? the game industry hes de-evolved into "oh lets make shiney grafix "items"--cough loot-- so we can charge micro transactions for years and years...cough..activision/blizzard
Balanced and informative (as usual). You've got a well-established knack for providing these kinds of counterpoints and I enjoy every minute of it! Also, while writing this I just heard you shout me out! Thanks so much, Caleb. You da best! Too kind. 💗😃🙏
Gerald Undone well deserved shout out. Both of you guys provide rational thoughts in a sea of click bait. Thanks for that! I feel like two things are holding me back from a pre purchase: 1- lenses. I am. I’m not super fired up about making the switch to FF from my gh5 and basically keeping the same bokeh or even less... running any of the fast lenses on the gh5 I’m able to get a FF 2.8 look. Moving to a FF f4 look doesn’t seem like an upgrade... now, wham sigma drops a 24mm F1.4 my attention will officially be grabbed. This seems like a timing issue and it’s unfortunate that Sigma isn’t able to have these lenses ready to go in April. Maybe this is an agreement between pana Leica and sigma. Maybe this is a camera conspiracy... 2- auto focus. My GH5 is totally workable, but I wish that it was better. I would love to see the af functional in VFR. For the work I do 120af would be super helpful... I think pana is making an error releasing the camera in the same manner as the gh5 with major upgrades needed at release to meet the promised expectation. I think eventually they delivered, but I think the initial letdown is hard on the brand. I’m pretty sure the a7iii will do what I need, just wish the 120 was higher quality in fact all the video... All I want is the perfect camera...
when it's only 150mbps i really doubt that it properly resolve 10bit and vlog, a lot of people are reporting problems even with vlog l, so i'm worried.
@@imabigsandwich1292 You're right, bit depth and color subsampling aren't everything (don't get me wrong, they're important) higher bitrate is as important if not more, especially when working with log.
@@imabigsandwich1292 I don't really see a big advantage when shooting 400mbps with GH5, other then better playback on low spec macs. In fact a 400mbps h265 GOP codec would be so much better for grading. But maybe this new s1 camera has beautifull colors native, and then you don't need to shoot in log. Maybe then the 150mbs is enough. Better to have 10)bit or 12 bit clean hdmi output in 4k and prores raw compatibility with atomos devices. That would be great
There are way too many 'tech reviewers' and spec junkies worrying about the gear they have no business owning. Honestly, if you're not a running a film/photo business or freelancer then you shouldn't even be watching this video... To any experienced shooter, this camera will get the job done and can easily afford the firmware upgrades.
I just wanted to say thank you. I have learned so much from you and your channel over the past 2 years being new to the photography videography industry. Sound, lighting, gear. It's all here. DSLR VIDEO SHOOTER Thanks -Will
1. Not enough Video features - Update is coming in future 2. Bad Af - it will improve over time 3. Lenses only pricey choices - going to change over time Seems to me you're expecting a lot but for me it's just not the right camera yet... maybe next year it will be a better camera but by then Sony a7siii will be hopefully out.
He didn't say "bad auto focus", just maybe not up to Canon (no one matches them) or Sony. Look at Sony FF mirrorless when it was released. Everyone panned them for not having lenses, blah blah blah. Look at them now.
@@dslrvideoshooter Okay, that is true but don't you ever ask yourself why? Why don't they just get it closer to start with, not a year after it comes out?
The S1 is a very exciting camera to me and I'm surprised by the negative reaction to it. I'll probably wait until the lens situation gets better, though.
That pretty much sums it up. It has the potential to be an exciting camera, someday, some time, maybe once lenses come out and 2-3 firmware updates happen. Hardly a winning formula to sell a new camera.
Apparently, their lenses are very sharp. People grabbing this camera, it's not likely that this will be their first and only camera. So not every lens option is needed. 3 is enough to get started although they are quite expensive. You'd have to be quite a successful professional to justify the experiment. If they have an exotic lens requirement, they probably already have the solution in one of their other camera bodies.
The issue is that it feels like Panasonic is trying to entice video shooters with a camera that wasn't made with them in mind. They're marketing it much the same way they did the GH5, right down to giving Griffin Hammond one to make a documentary with, but as you said it's not a GH5 and it's not comparable. That they're then adding what is essentially a video tax to get features that should be in it for the $2500 they're asking for, to me, is even more annoying. I really wanted to like it, I'm a Panasonic shooter, but I think most criticism is valid.
Indeed, I really want to like this camera, as well as the S1R. I was even going to be an early adopter, all they needed to do was release something decent, and the money was their's. It's funny that the release actually stopped me in my tracks from ordering it. Now I'm really trying to find a reason to buy it, but the GH5/GH5s are simply better video cameras - full stop. I can already use my current speedboosters for similar dof, etc, etc. The gradeability will also make the picture out of the the GH5s better. For video, FF only really gives an advantage at dof at this point.
@@deverenfogle3201 agreed. And Sony is likely to announce the A7sIII soon, which will likely have a lot of these features and then some, for a comparable price. I'm a loyal GH5 user, and I don't plan to going to full frame yet, but honestly, if I were I'd have to lean towards Sony even though I don't like Sony's color science.
@@deverenfogle3201 Same here, looked forward to buying this on launch like I did the G85 and GH5. Planned on replacing my A7 III and GH5 to get photos and video in one package along with better 4K60 but not only do I see no improvement over the GH5+Speed booster and A7 III setup but I'd be getting less video features and performance even after paying extra for a firmware update some time in the future.
I tried it out today at CP+. What an amazing camera. Manually focus and the centre is the image alone magnifies leaving room for framing around the magnified portion. Great stills speed. Wonderful hand hold feel.
I personally am looking more and more at Panasonic. Don't get me wrong, at one point, I was very impressed with what Sony was putting in their cameras. And their eye AF is amazing. But yes, as you said, between the 100mbps cap, the 4k (NOT 60fps), among other specs...Panasonic really is doing almost a better job of giving "video people" what they want. I understand that people love love love the phase detect autofocus, and it's great for video when vlogging, but for me personally......meh :)
@@dslrvideoshooter But this is the first generation of Panasonic fullframes. The next range will rectify what is missing in S1 and the S1R and Sony will get in big trouble
the advantage of the tilty-uppy screen over the flippy-outy screen is that you can tilt the screen upwards (for waist-level shooting) without it sticking awkwardly out of the side of the camera
I think it's a good first step for Panasonic FF. But I think people are upset, myself included, that we were really hoping for 4k60p without crop at 10 4:2:2. Now if they're able to do that with their paid update, that would be a very worthwhile upgrade imho and would make me highly interested in this if a7siii never comes out. That being said, I do also agree that the focus issue is huge and Canon & Sony have much better currently. Whether this is an "early version" or not, I am surprised that they would have this displayed this camera with such a bad auto focus if they plan on making a major over haul to it. Meaning I don't see a major update by the time this camera is released, maybe also in a future update? Idk, my eyes are still firmly waiting on the A7siii, meanwhile I'll keep shooting on my T7i and just upressing to 4k so I can shoot at 60fps, even if it is 8 bit.
@@dslrvideoshooter honestly caleb... i waited 6 months for this $6000 Panasonic "without compromise" camera. after all was said and done up here in canada, the bill was just too high; what with the unknown upgrade cost and the go-leica or go-home lens options... that and the kit lens is too soft, certainly not anything as fun for manual focus when compared with the fuji offerings, for whatever it is worth. fingers crossed for raw support or 150mbps 4:2:2 10 bit internal on the fuji... but i am happy with the option to wait without much investment while the full frame war slogs forward into short-sighted oblivion... with the 26800 mah battery pack strapped to my fuji X-T3, i can shoot for 5 hours continuous with the ronin and my arms won't fall off... what's wrong with them apples?
So many cameras coming out this year... but for a mix of stills/video i'd still choose the Fuji system in the sub $2-3K price bracket.. if you're video centric then it's probably the GH5s, and if you are video only then go with a rigged up BMPCC4K. 4:2:0 is just not enough color to grade with. There's a reason why the 1dxii is still a preferred system.. it's 8 bit 4:2:2 which grades quite well
Does it really make a huge difference? In Gerald Undone's testing, the difference between 420 and 422 is very minor, and only shows up if you do extreme grades like turning blue into green or something.
9:58 I really don't get why everyone dislikes this. The only situation in which the flip out screen is better is filming yourself, IMO for every other use case it's actually worse. With a flip out screen if you want to shoot from the hip you have to look slightly to the side, and the camera strap constantly gets in the way of the screen.
Given my love and great experience with my GH5, I am definitely interested in the S1. Regarding specs, the S1 has not been released. So, there will be features that won't appear or be announced until the S1 is released and after release. I like seeing pre-launch videos for upcoming cameras, but, I don't base my purchase decisions on these videos. What bugs me is when a YT creator makes conclusions about a camera before it's even been released. I get that they want to create content. But, don't make absolutist judgments until you have the final product in your hand. (EDIT: I think it's erroneous to put the Sony A7III above the S1. For one, the A7III does not shoot 10-bit. A huge difference for professionals, not vloggers. The A7III is a vloggers camera, in my opinion, not a camera I would consider for filmmaking given its 8-bit limitation.)
10 bit is not all that matters. Doesn't matter how good your colors are or if you are shooting 8k if your video is out of focus, and is constantly pulsing in and out of focus.
If you want TH-cam babies jumping the gun, look at Tony Northrup bad mouth this camera without even holding it. Read the aptly ferocious commentary too. Worth a laugh.
I also wonder if sensors that have phase detect on the sensor produce more heat. I also wonder if that is one reason Canon crops their 4k. We don't know how much heat the dual pixel AF creates and the only non cropped 4k cameras are in massive cinema cameras that have better heat dispersion.
Great analysis. I don't have an S1 to test yet, but Atomos has stated that the S1 will support 10 bit 4:2:2 HDMI output at launch. Looking forward to testing it out!
Jordan, nice conveyor belt gaze :) have you experimented with re-processing the S1's 6K PHOTO mode into video? I realise it's 3:2 ratio, and possibly a travesty, however, it feels like full-frame 6K (or even 5.4K?) should be attracting more interest - even as an experimental/postproduction mode.
Good stuff as always; I think the S1 will do well and grow in maturity via firmware pushes just like the GH5 did. They definitely need to circle back to those lens prices though, that's just outrageous.
@@dslrvideoshooter I'm leaning toward a similar conclusion. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that 'one' of the L-Mount Alliance players only joined after the other two agreed to follow some specific price bracket or range. If Sigma's S1 glass gets a price-point between the other two; then I'd definitely say Leica is running that show.
The GH5 was killer out of the box. It was only later that the AF debacle happened. But even with that, it was still the best mirrorless video camera, by far. This S1 doesn't even rival it's stablemates, for a much higher price tag with so few available lenses, etc. I feel there will be significant discounts before the holidays to move some of these units, especially if the lenses don't come soon enough. Perhaps, Panny themselves should put out a Canon to L-mount adapter to steal any disgruntled Canon users, that may help.
I agree with you on most all of that. I'm not sold on the S1 and definitely dont have plans to buy it, but I do think we should take a step back and just remember that we haven't seen a product yet; just PR and info on its current specs. It definitely does look like just another "Hey, us too!!" camera to compete with the EOS R, the Z6, and etc.
Is it true that the S1 crops the sensor for all video? I believe the S1R reads the full sensor for video. I'm looking at it for video only, and if it can't shoot video reading the full sensor then it's a waste for me.
Soooo... now they release cameras with not finished firmware... and then we have to pay for that finished firmware? I think I dont like where this is going...
@@DigitalStudioWedding The point is, they start with that. And when they see people pay them, they'll start doing that with 24fps... or to unlock 6k recording instead the 4k that is on your camera. Games did the same, first some games started to have some microtransactions to buy some little cosmetics that were 1€ or something like that. Now we have fucking microtransactions for everything, pay to win and all the ****** bull**** in triple A titles :)
Out of the recent first time FF mirrorless releases, the S1 is looking pretty good. The only major con that I can see is native lens selection but if you film with manual focus rigs then it shouldn't matter because you'll probably be adapting good glass to the camera. Great First Release though; esp with the firmware update added.
Kaleb, I posted this on Gordon Laing's video review of the S1 he just made a few days ago. I'd be interested in your comments on my response to the review in regard to S1 peaking feature. Not to beat a dead horse, but to drive a point home to at least my satisfaction I set up a peaking test. I used the Panasonic S1, the Panasonic GH5, the Panasonic G85, the Nikon Z6, and the Fujifilm X-H1, all using third party lenses. With the GH5, G85, the Z6, and the X-H1 there was absolutely no change in the quality and intensity of the peaking settings between using peaking to set the focus up and after the camera started rolling. Sadly, after checking BOTH the EVF and the LCD of the S1 both showed a diminishment in the quality and intensity of peaking once the shot was rolling. This diminishment is SIGNIFICANT, at least on my S1---I'd say at 70% or more %% drop--sometimes very difficult to see, especially on the EVF. The effect of this is that if you change the focus to another object while rolling you either focus past it before you see it, or you focus past it because you're not sure if your focus is not quite right---and most often it isn't. How do I know that? Because if I stop the shot after shifting focus the original quality and intensity immediately appear. When that happens I find the focus I ended up with was not accurate. Either not focusing far enough, or focusing past the object you are simply guessing. It seems to me the peaking feature of the S1 is calibrated to be its best, most viewable, and most accurate before the shutter is pressed with a SIGNIFICANT drop off once you start rolling. Why? This is not the case with the other four cameras I tested---and two of them were Panasonics. The peaking of the GH5 and the G85 are just...okay ....But they are stable before and after the shot is made, and pretty accurate. The Nikon is excellent---very easy to use and accurate. Even the gosh-awful Sony peaking is better than the S1---and I didn't think it was possible that anyone could have worse peaking than Sony. (Silly me). By a hair I think the Fuji X-H1 is best, clean, easy to see without obscuring the shot, and very accurate. The Fuji folks have done it right---and they keep making the X-H1 and X-T3 better. Will someone with some contacts or influence pass this on to the Panasonic people. Maybe they know and don't care. Maybe it was done intentionally for reasons I can in no way surmise. Nikon has done a few analogous things on the Z6, but nothing as egregious as the S1 peaking problem.
I'm excited for the S1, but as a GH5s shooter I am likely going to wait for the 10-bit update before I pull the trigger. Do you think Panasonic will release a more video focused full frame in the future?
totally agree with you, don't get why so many people are complaining, the S1 is a solid camera allround! AF isn't great, but after a firmware update or two AF will be improved, don't forget the AI learning software abilities which should help AF. The low light and sharpness is great on this camera, colors are beautiful, skin tones included. Im very excited with this camera, great body, ergonomics, build quality, menu system, and its amazing 5.7k EVF. They basically took elements from Sony, Fuji, canons & Nikons latest cameras and combined it into one kickass camera! And yeah, the sigma-leica-pana alliance is awesome!
the inbody IS is amazing, you haven't seen any footage yet?? Looks just as good if not better than Gh5, better than Sony & Fuji for sure. Low light is great, 12,800iso is clean, 25,600iso acceptable.
Why not make the Grip normal Sized and have a larger body. It would come past the grip a little bit but would provide more internal space for better heat sink.
Also keep in mind that this camera is a hybrid model. I imagine if they ever release an S model, like they did with the GH5 series, specifically for video. It’d be dangerous.
All the new mirrorless cameras that have come out recently are amazing (even Canon)! We are definitely expressing our "first world problems" when we complain that the cameras aren't framing the shots with AI or finding us better clients with integrated marketing tools! Just a few years ago everyone was amazed at the 1080 on the 5D mark 3! The S1 looks like it will be a great tool for some people, but not all people.
Let’s say you’re starting TH-cam completely fresh and completely without any camera equipment/ camera. What camera would you buy (if you were wanting to make cinematic videos/ with pretty decent 4K and slow motion) let’s say around 10 to 11 Thousand price point.
Atomos is telling us that the S1's HDMI out of the box WILL have 10bit output enabled. They will also give us HLG gamma curve in 10bit. So, if Atomos is correct, we WILL be able to record 10bit, 4:2:2 to an external recorder with HLG. Caleb,...are you saying this is not correct and that the HDMI will be locked at 8 bit only out of the box?
Waiting for your Nikon Z6 review! I would love to invest in a Cinema Rig based around that camera. I am even more excited after they announced their partnership with atomos and RAW video capabilities coming to that camera! I just love the full frame video look!
The most underrated camera of 2018 was the G9. I think it was overlooked because nobody seems to care about stills anymore and it was a true hybrid. I think the S1 cameras are basically the G9 version 2 with a huge FF sensor. It has some of the limitations of the G9 for video but with the paid firmware update (when it comes), it will pull way ahead of the G9 for video. What the hell are people complaining about? Honestly. IMO the only real disappointment is the lack of flippy screen (WTH?).
There's still some unknown answers, like the AF performance, does 4K-60p crop when using an external recorder. Aside from that and a few other concerns I'm sure, the S1 seems to be an exceptional camera nonetheless. Thanks for the insight, God bless!
@@Reyfox1 Exactly, I personally won't be switching over to Panasonic. Just curious to see how well their cameras perform for your average hobbyist to professional users.
@@RalfeOrtiz I won't be buying the camera. Too rich for my blood and it offers features that I personally do not need. But I am not going to trash it because of it. I am a M43 user of the G9. For "me" it is what I need. I need small since I backpack and bike. The S1 or any FF camera is something I don't want to lug around anymore. My wife is thrilled to have my Canon gear. But when we go out, even she gets a little tired of carrying it. I don't think that there is a bad camera out there. Just find one that fits your needs. Cameras are tools.
@@Reyfox1 Exactly, it's not necessarily the tool but the user that makes the camera work. The S1/S1R, is too much $$$ and doesn't really offer what I need or want. I shoot on Fuji and apsc sensor is good enough for me, and their lens line is pretty good too.
@@RalfeOrtiz much love for Fuji. I think if I was looking for something "new" and didn't have what I already have, Fuji would be where I would go. Can you say XT3? Priced so that I can afford it, along with lenses. People look at specs and comment on whether a camera is worth it or not only on that information and their personal bias. To "me" all cameras produced today are great. Not everyone is for "me" personally, but you won't read me trashing a camera because I can not afford it or it doesn't have a flippy screen and dual card slots.
No they are not wrong. Panasonic made something that people are not waiting for in a 2019 camera. If others can do it, and even Nikon can do it, then Panasonic with all its video knowledge certainly would be able to do it. Their specs are wrong and it IS crippled to protect their Micro 4/3 market. That is Pana's main problem with this camera. BTW your video's are mostly good, but here you do not have to defend Pana for their mistakes.
Hey Caleb, I asked CVP how the IBIS compares to the GH5 and I was pleasantly surprised (considering the sensor size) when Jake from CVP replied the S1 is a little better.
Great rundown of the topic..seems firmware updates will provide the true tipping point on this one. 10 bit 4:2:2 at 4k/60 sounds sweet; let's hope it's doable without the crop🤞📸 Great job on this one, as usual👌😃
Man. I really don't know what to do these days. I need to upgrade from my D750, but there are too many options anymore. I am starting to do more and more video. I really think that Panasonic's new full frame cameras would be a good choice, but the Z6 is looking great as well. Especially since I already have nikon glass. If you think this is going to be the best camera under $5000, what puts it over the Z6?
My thing, is Lumix abandoning the MFT community they built? I just invested in some pretty expensive MFT glass, hoping it would hold it's value into the future, but is the last real camera it will be used on the one I already own? That kinda sucks
My problem with your counterpoints for auto focus and lenses is that you say it will get better over time, which is probably true (I don't think it will be to the level you think at least for auto focus) but the camera companies ask people to by the camera now. Not later. Also firmware should not be paid for, if they just charged me a little more for the camera I would be okay with that. In addition to that, the firmware for most of those features feels like the camera wasn't ready for launch. Some of those features should have already come with the camera, it shouldn't be a fee for me to get those features. And this just doesn't go for Panasonic, back when sony lens options and auto focus were shit I gave them the same flack.
What other FF Mirrorless is capable of 10bit 4:2:2 internally? I would have liked it to be included too, but considering no other FF camera has it I can understand them doing this. After all they did/do the same thing with GH5 for vlog l
You can compare anything you like. If both are to be used for video there is a ton of crossovers between GH5 and S1. It’s pretty obvious people are going to want to know which is better, and for what purpose. I don’t hold with this “you can’t compare these to cameras” nonsense. There are differences, of course. But that’s exactly why people like to see comparisons, to see exactly what the differences look like.
I am surprised how Panasonic's new cameras have somewhat been hit as if they were false advertising or lying about their cameras. These set of cameras did not receive any of the hype I thought they would. I use Panasonic cameras for the overall user experience. It does seem like Sony has the lead on auto focus, but that is it. No one is talking about ISO performance anymore now that this camera has arrived. What happened to the lack of dual card slots in other cameras and the praise for this camera offering it? The 4k 60 fps is not a lie, it is capable with an external recorder. that is not a lie. Most cameras had said that they were capable of it. Fuji is the only one that hyped and made clear the ability to do it internally. Everything this camera has done seems to lack any compromises... maybe the autofocus compared to Sony. Panasonic can easily smash the competitors.
Very sensible commentary as always, but I do feel the S1 needs placing in the context of a Speedboosted GH5/GH5S... then I have more sympathy for the negative view points out there. I regard the S1 & S1R as a full frame G9, and think Panasonic will come out with a more video centric option within the next 12 months (an S1S perhaps?).
Thanks for clearing things up Caleb. Really appreciate it! Definitely always learning because I had the same thoughts and am glad you helped to clear it up. Will you talk about the new Canon EOS RP?
I mean it will have the edge on Sony on 4K 30p after getting a PAID update, after an UNKNOWN amount of time. Meanwhile, the A7iii is almost a one year old camera, offering full frame 4k at 500$ cheaper(without calculating any discounts mind you). I am glad Panasonic is making full frame cameras now but a7 easily beats this in value imo. What I find interesting is the Full HD capabilities. If they can make stellar full hd video that can attract some people.
Can the s1 do 24 fps... How many stills per second not that i need it..just curious.. as far as autofocus is concerned I don't know where to stand on that traditionally fillmers use manual focus.. I do understand that that's not the target market here but whatever...no raw.in still? Did i just hear you say that? thats a deal breaker for almost any 📷. I did address this in another of your videos but I want to stay that again I'm very curious because I want to like this camera but the image samples on DP as far as fine detail terrible. From what I've seen in the portraits that they have released my Ricoh gr does better.. so again I don't know if they've addressed that the sensor is going to mainly Cater to New lenses.. I have definitely found that M Glass an LTM react with differently with different sensors.. I have a very old m-mount German lens that looks amazing on my A7 but looks terrible on Fuji.. I'm curious what Panasonic a saying about this.. because seriously those portraits that they released at least the ones that dpreview has are absolutely terrible and I don't mean in technique I mean an overall detail
Yeah man.. that non-flip out screen is pretty brutal. Granted this isn't really built to vlog with but doing any sort of sit-down video (like this one lol) is going to be problematic without that flip screen.
Really love your post production work man. Would love to get the same look. Do you have any tutorials on this I could purchase please? Thanks in advance.
Have you seen how bad is the Crop on these cameras when it comes to 30 and 60p? I had the chance to play with both the S1 and S1R and the crop is ridiculously bad.
The specs we're mostly fine with me. It's hard to expect a lot from their first full frame line. Not to mention, Panasonic has mentioned multiple times this is geared namely at photographer's still - the strength is in it's photo capabilities before video. Now, that being said, the only I disagree with is lens pricing - I don't expect to see affordable lenses for a while, even with Sigma. And adapting is great, but have a native mount with IBIS is how I shoot, so I need native glass. And that lens price is just not worth it for me. We'll have to play the waiting game. I don't see many early adopters gaining much benefit in the beginning. It would be wise to wait on price drops and firmware updates to see how the system matures.
i don't mind Panasonic for sticking with their focus system in the hopes that the future it'll be amazing but removing the rotating screen hurt my feelings. I'm thinking i'm getting the a73 and a7s3 is never going to be released.
I think the S1 promises a bright future for Panasonic! It makes me hope for a Full Frame EVA 2 (or 3) or even a FF GH series! Even better the marriage between Leica, Sigma, and Panasonic is even better! I’m not saying I’d buy one, but maybe rent one and see!
DSLR Video Shooter I really think it’s going to happen! Especially with the rise of LF cameras like the Monstrous & Alexa LF, it’s only a matter of time before Sony & BM do it as well!
Nice set of informations, thank you. For me as a documentary solo shooter this camera is out of the game for its autofocus issues and the high price tag of the lenses. Maybe some others will decide to buy the body and rent the right lenses for the job.
typoded Simple math... When I hit the record button, whether it be for 7 seconds or 70 minutes, I should have one file. When you do this for a living you look for the best tools that do the best work. Until that update, it was an no go for us. We’re always going to look for what will simplify our workflow.
We expected better from Panasonic, and for the price. We get 60fps 4K on the S1, but not phase detect autofocus like the a7iii has. Since we're paying a higher price than the Sony shouldn't we expect both features for the money?
99% of the cameras on the market are better than the users who own them. Way too much number and spec wars between folk who should focus on becoming better at the art of shooting rather than gear experts.
Camera companies have figured out that focusing consumers on the shortcomings of technology instead of their own abilities is much more palatable & profitable.
They may be packed with features but they also lack the basic package together and they lack the modern processing found in every smartphone today. I'm looking for few simple specs: 1) big sensor and fast lens for low noise in low light (shooting on the streets at night), 2) 4K 60p for good quality, future proof high resolution with smooth motion capture, 3) stabilization for handheld shooting. Right now I can get some of those but not all and the best options are still quite expensive as here with the 50mm f/1.4. Panasonic has big sensor but crops in 60p. Fujifilm crops much less but has no IBIS and the lenses aren't that fast or stabilized either. Of course if you don't need video and don't print large you can use 20 year old DSLR and you'll have still fine images for web use but that's not what we are for, right?
Well said.
God bless you
Ferhan Khan Photography Yup,most of people shoot stuff that is just bad but they still put it out
People get crazy with specs and numbers... The image quality of the GH5S is absolutely stunning for the price, So I think the S1 will produce an Image quality that is worth the price.
The dynamic range will change the game for the S1 compare to GH5s I think
the weight however I worry about it. Ibis or no ibis full frame S1, if you have mussle fatigue, no shot will be great until you have the gh5 and a light and fast mft lens .. I allready experienced problems with a sigma lens, speedbooster and gh5. And this makes me think about a shoulder camera. Expensive, horrible outpriced camera's with outdated sensors and limited feature set, not the best IQ at least under 10 000, but you get a compact working sollution for making video's with audio and the perception of people that you are or could be professional.
Agree, we are living in beautiful times. the GH5s has been a workhorse for us this past 12 months. Yum yum
Remember 3 years ago when sony had no lenses and they couldn't autofocus for shit?? Now they're hailed as top dog. It's as if people think panasonic in partnership with sigma wont do any development at all. Sure, they don't have all the answers right now, but I'm excited for the future of a company like panasonic with a history of listening to customers needs
It really annoys me that a company would charge for “future features “ in a firmware update. It’s just simple thievery. I understand firmwares usually improve the camera but this is just unlocking features the camera hardware is already capable off. ... Charge me a little more at purchase but then quit charging me
Its like the video game industry, you buy then only to have to buy the dlc, then buy a dlc costume, then next thing you know, you have to pay for dlc start button
Because not everyone needs the firmware
@@YoungBlaze *EA games wants to know your location*
@@lessemo Tell em , pull up.... i got stock on Take2interactive
@@YoungBlaze and that makes it right? the game industry hes de-evolved into "oh lets make shiney grafix "items"--cough loot-- so we can charge micro transactions for years and years...cough..activision/blizzard
Balanced and informative (as usual). You've got a well-established knack for providing these kinds of counterpoints and I enjoy every minute of it!
Also, while writing this I just heard you shout me out! Thanks so much, Caleb. You da best! Too kind. 💗😃🙏
It was well earned! The internet is lucky to have your brain plugged into TH-cam!
Gerald Undone well deserved shout out. Both of you guys provide rational thoughts in a sea of click bait. Thanks for that!
I feel like two things are holding me back from a pre purchase: 1- lenses. I am. I’m not super fired up about making the switch to FF from my gh5 and basically keeping the same bokeh or even less... running any of the fast lenses on the gh5 I’m able to get a FF 2.8 look. Moving to a FF f4 look doesn’t seem like an upgrade... now, wham sigma drops a 24mm F1.4 my attention will officially be grabbed. This seems like a timing issue and it’s unfortunate that Sigma isn’t able to have these lenses ready to go in April. Maybe this is an agreement between pana Leica and sigma. Maybe this is a camera conspiracy...
2- auto focus. My GH5 is totally workable, but I wish that it was better. I would love to see the af functional in VFR. For the work I do 120af would be super helpful...
I think pana is making an error releasing the camera in the same manner as the gh5 with major upgrades needed at release to meet the promised expectation. I think eventually they delivered, but I think the initial letdown is hard on the brand.
I’m pretty sure the a7iii will do what I need, just wish the 120 was higher quality in fact all the video...
All I want is the perfect camera...
Whatttt's happeeeeningggg!!!!
two of my favorite youtubers being nice to each other - what a time to be alive!
Sir Can you tell me what does 4:2:2and 4:2:0 is
Panasonic S1 has a 1.5x crop on 4K 60p.
GH5s + Speedbooster XL is a (1.75 x .64) 1.12x crop on 4K 60p and no record limit
Me all day long! +1
Bingo
Exactly and that's just the beginning of the issues I have with the S1.
TOKYObrah S1R has me interested, 1.09x crop in 4k60p. Just 15 min rec limit but not an issue for me
Also no ibis, almost useless for photography, and slightly weaker in low light and dr
10 bit in HLG mode. AF not great. Low light very nice.
Full Frame 10 bit sounds good to me but can't make everyone happy.
Been digging your channel!
when it's only 150mbps i really doubt that it properly resolve 10bit and vlog, a lot of people are reporting problems even with vlog l, so i'm worried.
@@imabigsandwich1292 You're right, bit depth and color subsampling aren't everything (don't get me wrong, they're important) higher bitrate is as important if not more, especially when working with log.
@@CaesperRSA yep, quite dissapointed that panasonic didn't give us 400mbps all I.
@@imabigsandwich1292 I don't really see a big advantage when shooting 400mbps with GH5, other then better playback on low spec macs. In fact a 400mbps h265 GOP codec would be so much better for grading. But maybe this new s1 camera has beautifull colors native, and then you don't need to shoot in log. Maybe then the 150mbs is enough. Better to have 10)bit or 12 bit clean hdmi output in 4k and prores raw compatibility with atomos devices. That would be great
There are way too many 'tech reviewers' and spec junkies worrying about the gear they have no business owning. Honestly, if you're not a running a film/photo business or freelancer then you shouldn't even be watching this video... To any experienced shooter, this camera will get the job done and can easily afford the firmware upgrades.
technically you are no longer a dslr video shooter
Facts
He should change his channel name
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I just wanted to say thank you. I have learned so much from you and your channel over the past 2 years being new to the photography videography industry. Sound, lighting, gear. It's all here.
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1. Not enough Video features - Update is coming in future
2. Bad Af - it will improve over time
3. Lenses only pricey choices - going to change over time
Seems to me you're expecting a lot but for me it's just not the right camera yet... maybe next year it will be a better camera but by then Sony a7siii will be hopefully out.
He didn't say "bad auto focus", just maybe not up to Canon (no one matches them) or Sony. Look at Sony FF mirrorless when it was released. Everyone panned them for not having lenses, blah blah blah. Look at them now.
I do expect a lot. But if you look at Panasonic's camera and firmware timeline, they do add a ton of features over the life of a product.
@@dslrvideoshooter yeah, I'm sure it's getting better but right now I wouldn't buy it. In my opinion wait for Sony a7siii.
@@dslrvideoshooter Okay, that is true but don't you ever ask yourself why? Why don't they just get it closer to start with, not a year after it comes out?
Ben C a7s ii won’t compare 🤣🤣
The S1 is a very exciting camera to me and I'm surprised by the negative reaction to it. I'll probably wait until the lens situation gets better, though.
That pretty much sums it up. It has the potential to be an exciting camera, someday, some time, maybe once lenses come out and 2-3 firmware updates happen. Hardly a winning formula to sell a new camera.
Sigma makes their L-mount announcement at the end of the month.
Apparently, their lenses are very sharp. People grabbing this camera, it's not likely that this will be their first and only camera. So not every lens option is needed. 3 is enough to get started although they are quite expensive. You'd have to be quite a successful professional to justify the experiment. If they have an exotic lens requirement, they probably already have the solution in one of their other camera bodies.
The issue is that it feels like Panasonic is trying to entice video shooters with a camera that wasn't made with them in mind. They're marketing it much the same way they did the GH5, right down to giving Griffin Hammond one to make a documentary with, but as you said it's not a GH5 and it's not comparable. That they're then adding what is essentially a video tax to get features that should be in it for the $2500 they're asking for, to me, is even more annoying.
I really wanted to like it, I'm a Panasonic shooter, but I think most criticism is valid.
Indeed, I really want to like this camera, as well as the S1R. I was even going to be an early adopter, all they needed to do was release something decent, and the money was their's. It's funny that the release actually stopped me in my tracks from ordering it. Now I'm really trying to find a reason to buy it, but the GH5/GH5s are simply better video cameras - full stop. I can already use my current speedboosters for similar dof, etc, etc. The gradeability will also make the picture out of the the GH5s better. For video, FF only really gives an advantage at dof at this point.
@@deverenfogle3201 agreed. And Sony is likely to announce the A7sIII soon, which will likely have a lot of these features and then some, for a comparable price. I'm a loyal GH5 user, and I don't plan to going to full frame yet, but honestly, if I were I'd have to lean towards Sony even though I don't like Sony's color science.
@@newfoundmass Yeah, Sony's colors are horrendous. Especially for video, and their low bitrate, it's impossible to get good colors out of them. IMHO
@@deverenfogle3201 Same here, looked forward to buying this on launch like I did the G85 and GH5. Planned on replacing my A7 III and GH5 to get photos and video in one package along with better 4K60 but not only do I see no improvement over the GH5+Speed booster and A7 III setup but I'd be getting less video features and performance even after paying extra for a firmware update some time in the future.
I tried it out today at CP+. What an amazing camera. Manually focus and the centre is the image alone magnifies leaving room for framing around the magnified portion. Great stills speed.
Wonderful hand hold feel.
Packed full of awesome and interesting information as always. Nice job Caleb!
Thanks Chris!!!
I personally am looking more and more at Panasonic. Don't get me wrong, at one point, I was very impressed with what Sony was putting in their cameras. And their eye AF is amazing. But yes, as you said, between the 100mbps cap, the 4k (NOT 60fps), among other specs...Panasonic really is doing almost a better job of giving "video people" what they want. I understand that people love love love the phase detect autofocus, and it's great for video when vlogging, but for me personally......meh :)
If Sony plays ball well with the A7sIII the S1 is in big trouble.
SONY don't have 10 bit 422 so far (A7 A9 a6xxx series) , not even through HDMI. Very curious if A7S3 could be their first one.
@@dslrvideoshooter But this is the first generation of Panasonic fullframes. The next range will rectify what is missing in S1 and the S1R and Sony will get in big trouble
the advantage of the tilty-uppy screen over the flippy-outy screen is that you can tilt the screen upwards (for waist-level shooting) without it sticking awkwardly out of the side of the camera
I think it's a good first step for Panasonic FF. But I think people are upset, myself included, that we were really hoping for 4k60p without crop at 10 4:2:2. Now if they're able to do that with their paid update, that would be a very worthwhile upgrade imho and would make me highly interested in this if a7siii never comes out. That being said, I do also agree that the focus issue is huge and Canon & Sony have much better currently. Whether this is an "early version" or not, I am surprised that they would have this displayed this camera with such a bad auto focus if they plan on making a major over haul to it. Meaning I don't see a major update by the time this camera is released, maybe also in a future update? Idk, my eyes are still firmly waiting on the A7siii, meanwhile I'll keep shooting on my T7i and just upressing to 4k so I can shoot at 60fps, even if it is 8 bit.
it's a good camera for like 3000 people who use a sony fs7 and a canon 1dx...
Yeah without the upgrade this camera isn't very exciting.
Yeah that was the deal breaker for me. I needed at least internal 10-bit 4K60, I would even have accepted it in 4:2:0 with the APS-C crop.
@@dslrvideoshooter honestly caleb... i waited 6 months for this $6000 Panasonic "without compromise" camera. after all was said and done up here in canada, the bill was just too high; what with the unknown upgrade cost and the go-leica or go-home lens options... that and the kit lens is too soft, certainly not anything as fun for manual focus when compared with the fuji offerings, for whatever it is worth. fingers crossed for raw support or 150mbps 4:2:2 10 bit internal on the fuji... but i am happy with the option to wait without much investment while the full frame war slogs forward into short-sighted oblivion... with the 26800 mah battery pack strapped to my fuji X-T3, i can shoot for 5 hours continuous with the ronin and my arms won't fall off... what's wrong with them apples?
I was told by a Panasonic rep at Adobe Max that this sensor was designed with the intent to shoot RAW video. I'm just waiting for the announcement. :)
So many cameras coming out this year... but for a mix of stills/video i'd still choose the Fuji system in the sub $2-3K price bracket.. if you're video centric then it's probably the GH5s, and if you are video only then go with a rigged up BMPCC4K. 4:2:0 is just not enough color to grade with. There's a reason why the 1dxii is still a preferred system.. it's 8 bit 4:2:2 which grades quite well
Does it really make a huge difference? In Gerald Undone's testing, the difference between 420 and 422 is very minor, and only shows up if you do extreme grades like turning blue into green or something.
9:58 I really don't get why everyone dislikes this. The only situation in which the flip out screen is better is filming yourself, IMO for every other use case it's actually worse.
With a flip out screen if you want to shoot from the hip you have to look slightly to the side, and the camera strap constantly gets in the way of the screen.
Given my love and great experience with my GH5, I am definitely interested in the S1. Regarding specs, the S1 has not been released. So, there will be features that won't appear or be announced until the S1 is released and after release. I like seeing pre-launch videos for upcoming cameras, but, I don't base my purchase decisions on these videos. What bugs me is when a YT creator makes conclusions about a camera before it's even been released. I get that they want to create content. But, don't make absolutist judgments until you have the final product in your hand.
(EDIT: I think it's erroneous to put the Sony A7III above the S1. For one, the A7III does not shoot 10-bit. A huge difference for professionals, not vloggers. The A7III is a vloggers camera, in my opinion, not a camera I would consider for filmmaking given its 8-bit limitation.)
10 bit is not all that matters. Doesn't matter how good your colors are or if you are shooting 8k if your video is out of focus, and is constantly pulsing in and out of focus.
Dr Exclusive with that logic, an alexa is useless without autofocus
If you want TH-cam babies jumping the gun, look at Tony Northrup bad mouth this camera without even holding it. Read the aptly ferocious commentary too. Worth a laugh.
Caleb, hand on your heart, which camera are you more excited about the S1 or the A7sIII ?
If I could use my Ninja V and get full frame 60fps, that would make me switch. But as of now the 1.5x crop is a deal breaker for me personally.
I also wonder if sensors that have phase detect on the sensor produce more heat. I also wonder if that is one reason Canon crops their 4k. We don't know how much heat the dual pixel AF creates and the only non cropped 4k cameras are in massive cinema cameras that have better heat dispersion.
Great analysis. I don't have an S1 to test yet, but Atomos has stated that the S1 will support 10 bit 4:2:2 HDMI output at launch. Looking forward to testing it out!
www.dpreview.com/news/2867863468/atomos-ninja-v-inferno-recorders-will-support-4k-10-bit-422-hdr-panasonic-s-lumix-s1
Jordan, nice conveyor belt gaze :) have you experimented with re-processing the S1's 6K PHOTO mode into video? I realise it's 3:2 ratio, and possibly a travesty, however, it feels like full-frame 6K (or even 5.4K?) should be attracting more interest - even as an experimental/postproduction mode.
Good stuff as always; I think the S1 will do well and grow in maturity via firmware pushes just like the GH5 did. They definitely need to circle back to those lens prices though, that's just outrageous.
I forgot to mention, but I wonder if the price is high due to some kind of Leica licensing fee.
@@dslrvideoshooter I'm leaning toward a similar conclusion. I wouldn't be too surprised to hear that 'one' of the L-Mount Alliance players only joined after the other two agreed to follow some specific price bracket or range. If Sigma's S1 glass gets a price-point between the other two; then I'd definitely say Leica is running that show.
The GH5 was killer out of the box. It was only later that the AF debacle happened. But even with that, it was still the best mirrorless video camera, by far. This S1 doesn't even rival it's stablemates, for a much higher price tag with so few available lenses, etc. I feel there will be significant discounts before the holidays to move some of these units, especially if the lenses don't come soon enough. Perhaps, Panny themselves should put out a Canon to L-mount adapter to steal any disgruntled Canon users, that may help.
I agree with you on most all of that. I'm not sold on the S1 and definitely dont have plans to buy it, but I do think we should take a step back and just remember that we haven't seen a product yet; just PR and info on its current specs. It definitely does look like just another "Hey, us too!!" camera to compete with the EOS R, the Z6, and etc.
Great video Caleb. Looking forward to seeing the S1 in person and having a play
Is it true that the S1 crops the sensor for all video? I believe the S1R reads the full sensor for video. I'm looking at it for video only, and if it can't shoot video reading the full sensor then it's a waste for me.
No, only for 4K60p. 24-30 is full sensor
You really make great material. I love your videos; they're so informative and watchable. Thank you for your work.
Glad to hear a shout out for Gerald Undone! His channel is fantastically informative
Thank you for writing “Mb/s” correctly, and for making such amazing and useful videos, of course!
Soooo... now they release cameras with not finished firmware... and then we have to pay for that finished firmware? I think I dont like where this is going...
You don't get he point...
You'll get FREE FW updates! You have to pay if you need VLOG and 10bit in specific modes!
@@DigitalStudioWedding The point is, they start with that. And when they see people pay them, they'll start doing that with 24fps... or to unlock 6k recording instead the 4k that is on your camera. Games did the same, first some games started to have some microtransactions to buy some little cosmetics that were 1€ or something like that. Now we have fucking microtransactions for everything, pay to win and all the ****** bull**** in triple A titles :)
YEAAHHHH Caleb, FInally! You are the man! Been waiting for this video for weeks :D
Out of the recent first time FF mirrorless releases, the S1 is looking pretty good. The only major con that I can see is native lens selection but if you film with manual focus rigs then it shouldn't matter because you'll probably be adapting good glass to the camera. Great First Release though; esp with the firmware update added.
You can do 4k/60 4:2:0 10-bit on Fuji x-t3 right now
If only it was 4:2:2 Internal.
Kaleb, I posted this on Gordon Laing's video review of the S1 he just made a few days ago. I'd be interested in your comments on my response to the review in regard to S1 peaking feature.
Not to beat a dead horse, but to drive a point home to at least my satisfaction I set up a peaking test.
I used the Panasonic S1, the Panasonic GH5, the Panasonic G85, the Nikon Z6, and the Fujifilm X-H1, all using third party lenses.
With the GH5, G85, the Z6, and the X-H1 there was absolutely no change in the quality and intensity of the peaking settings between using peaking to set the focus up and after the camera started rolling.
Sadly, after checking BOTH the EVF and the LCD of the S1 both showed a diminishment in the quality and intensity of peaking once the shot was rolling. This diminishment is SIGNIFICANT, at least on my S1---I'd say at 70% or more %% drop--sometimes very difficult to see, especially on the EVF.
The effect of this is that if you change the focus to another object while rolling you either focus past it before you see it, or you focus past it because you're not sure if your focus is not quite right---and most often it isn't. How do I know that? Because if I stop the shot after shifting focus the original quality and intensity immediately appear. When that happens I find the focus I ended up with was not accurate. Either not focusing far enough, or focusing past the object you are simply guessing.
It seems to me the peaking feature of the S1 is calibrated to be its best, most viewable, and most accurate before the shutter is pressed with a SIGNIFICANT drop off once you start rolling.
Why? This is not the case with the other four cameras I tested---and two of them were Panasonics.
The peaking of the GH5 and the G85 are just...okay ....But they are stable before and after the shot is made, and pretty accurate.
The Nikon is excellent---very easy to use and accurate. Even the gosh-awful Sony peaking is better than the S1---and I didn't think it was possible that anyone could have worse peaking than Sony. (Silly me).
By a hair I think the Fuji X-H1 is best, clean, easy to see without obscuring the shot, and very accurate. The Fuji folks have done it right---and they keep making the X-H1 and X-T3 better.
Will someone with some contacts or influence pass this on to the Panasonic people.
Maybe they know and don't care. Maybe it was done intentionally for reasons I can in no way surmise.
Nikon has done a few analogous things on the Z6, but nothing as egregious as the S1 peaking problem.
Aweeeee yissss everybody always underestimating Panasonic until those updates come out. Excellent video Caleb!
I look forward to seeing what you say about it now that it's available!
Thank you for the excellent video - so I am waiting for S1 version 2 ;-)
I'm excited for the S1, but as a GH5s shooter I am likely going to wait for the 10-bit update before I pull the trigger. Do you think Panasonic will release a more video focused full frame in the future?
Bro, you're a remarkable reviewer. You answered all the imperative questions, thanks, buddy.
totally agree with you, don't get why so many people are complaining, the S1 is a solid camera allround! AF isn't great, but after a firmware update or two AF will be improved, don't forget the AI learning software abilities which should help AF. The low light and sharpness is great on this camera, colors are beautiful, skin tones included. Im very excited with this camera, great body, ergonomics, build quality, menu system, and its amazing 5.7k EVF. They basically took elements from Sony, Fuji, canons & Nikons latest cameras and combined it into one kickass camera! And yeah, the sigma-leica-pana alliance is awesome!
the inbody IS is amazing, you haven't seen any footage yet?? Looks just as good if not better than Gh5, better than Sony & Fuji for sure. Low light is great, 12,800iso is clean, 25,600iso acceptable.
Why not make the Grip normal
Sized and have a larger body. It would come past the grip a little bit but would provide more internal space for better heat sink.
Also keep in mind that this camera is a hybrid model. I imagine if they ever release an S model, like they did with the GH5 series, specifically for video. It’d be dangerous.
Another brilliant and smart video Caleb ! thank you for sharing
All the new mirrorless cameras that have come out recently are amazing (even Canon)! We are definitely expressing our "first world problems" when we complain that the cameras aren't framing the shots with AI or finding us better clients with integrated marketing tools! Just a few years ago everyone was amazed at the 1080 on the 5D mark 3!
The S1 looks like it will be a great tool for some people, but not all people.
Let’s say you’re starting TH-cam completely fresh and completely without any camera equipment/ camera. What camera would you buy (if you were wanting to make cinematic videos/ with pretty decent 4K and slow motion) let’s say around 10 to 11 Thousand price point.
Loving your background and audio. What microphone 🎤 did you use for this video? Could you send me a link for the gray background. Thank you...
Atomos is telling us that the S1's HDMI out of the box WILL have 10bit output enabled. They will also give us HLG gamma curve in 10bit. So, if Atomos is correct, we WILL be able to record 10bit, 4:2:2 to an external recorder with HLG. Caleb,...are you saying this is not correct and that the HDMI will be locked at 8 bit only out of the box?
Love your videos. Love your channel. Very professionnal. My source for camera and video gears ;) Keep up the good work.
Waiting for your Nikon Z6 review! I would love to invest in a Cinema Rig based around that camera. I am even more excited after they announced their partnership with atomos and RAW video capabilities coming to that camera! I just love the full frame video look!
The most underrated camera of 2018 was the G9. I think it was overlooked because nobody seems to care about stills anymore and it was a true hybrid. I think the S1 cameras are basically the G9 version 2 with a huge FF sensor. It has some of the limitations of the G9 for video but with the paid firmware update (when it comes), it will pull way ahead of the G9 for video. What the hell are people complaining about? Honestly. IMO the only real disappointment is the lack of flippy screen (WTH?).
There's still some unknown answers, like the AF performance, does 4K-60p crop when using an external recorder. Aside from that and a few other concerns I'm sure, the S1 seems to be an exceptional camera nonetheless. Thanks for the insight, God bless!
I think everyone is waiting for a "real" review. But there is enough out there to give big hints of what it can do.
@@Reyfox1 Exactly, I personally won't be switching over to Panasonic. Just curious to see how well their cameras perform for your average hobbyist to professional users.
@@RalfeOrtiz I won't be buying the camera. Too rich for my blood and it offers features that I personally do not need. But I am not going to trash it because of it. I am a M43 user of the G9. For "me" it is what I need. I need small since I backpack and bike. The S1 or any FF camera is something I don't want to lug around anymore. My wife is thrilled to have my Canon gear. But when we go out, even she gets a little tired of carrying it.
I don't think that there is a bad camera out there. Just find one that fits your needs. Cameras are tools.
@@Reyfox1 Exactly, it's not necessarily the tool but the user that makes the camera work. The S1/S1R, is too much $$$ and doesn't really offer what I need or want. I shoot on Fuji and apsc sensor is good enough for me, and their lens line is pretty good too.
@@RalfeOrtiz much love for Fuji. I think if I was looking for something "new" and didn't have what I already have, Fuji would be where I would go. Can you say XT3? Priced so that I can afford it, along with lenses. People look at specs and comment on whether a camera is worth it or not only on that information and their personal bias. To "me" all cameras produced today are great. Not everyone is for "me" personally, but you won't read me trashing a camera because I can not afford it or it doesn't have a flippy screen and dual card slots.
The problem is communication 😊 when they said « fullframe without compromise » and you have some compromise... ^^
No they are not wrong.
Panasonic made something that people are not waiting for in a 2019 camera.
If others can do it, and even Nikon can do it, then Panasonic with all its video knowledge certainly would be able to do it.
Their specs are wrong and it IS crippled to protect their Micro 4/3 market. That is Pana's main problem with this camera.
BTW your video's are mostly good, but here you do not have to defend Pana for their mistakes.
Great points made on a lot of aspects of this and other cameras 👍🏾
So if I'm understanding this correctly, the 1.5x crop is only in 4K 60fps, is that right? No crop in any other recording mode?
Excellent breakdown and insight, thanks!
Hey Caleb, I asked CVP how the IBIS compares to the GH5 and I was pleasantly surprised (considering the sensor size) when Jake from CVP replied the S1 is a little better.
Those Leica SL lenses are legendary. I believe if you use those lenses with the S1 and S1R, it will make that sensor shine.
Awesome video! May we know if this video was recorded using V-LogL?
Great rundown of the topic..seems firmware updates will provide the true tipping point on this one. 10 bit 4:2:2 at 4k/60 sounds sweet; let's hope it's doable without the crop🤞📸 Great job on this one, as usual👌😃
Man. I really don't know what to do these days. I need to upgrade from my D750, but there are too many options anymore. I am starting to do more and more video. I really think that Panasonic's new full frame cameras would be a good choice, but the Z6 is looking great as well. Especially since I already have nikon glass.
If you think this is going to be the best camera under $5000, what puts it over the Z6?
My thing, is Lumix abandoning the MFT community they built? I just invested in some pretty expensive MFT glass, hoping it would hold it's value into the future, but is the last real camera it will be used on the one I already own? That kinda sucks
The Pana S1 is for photos, the upcoming Pana SH1 will be more video oriented in the end of 2019
The colours of the video are amazing, how did you achieve that? GH5 + custom LUT?
My problem with your counterpoints for auto focus and lenses is that you say it will get better over time, which is probably true (I don't think it will be to the level you think at least for auto focus) but the camera companies ask people to by the camera now. Not later. Also firmware should not be paid for, if they just charged me a little more for the camera I would be okay with that. In addition to that, the firmware for most of those features feels like the camera wasn't ready for launch. Some of those features should have already come with the camera, it shouldn't be a fee for me to get those features. And this just doesn't go for Panasonic, back when sony lens options and auto focus were shit I gave them the same flack.
What other FF Mirrorless is capable of 10bit 4:2:2 internally? I would have liked it to be included too, but considering no other FF camera has it I can understand them doing this. After all they did/do the same thing with GH5 for vlog l
More interesting is by the look of your camera and the clamp it has on it are you playing with projector anamorphic lenses?
You can compare anything you like. If both are to be used for video there is a ton of crossovers between GH5 and S1.
It’s pretty obvious people are going to want to know which is better, and for what purpose.
I don’t hold with this “you can’t compare these to cameras” nonsense.
There are differences, of course.
But that’s exactly why people like to see comparisons, to see exactly what the differences look like.
I am surprised how Panasonic's new cameras have somewhat been hit as if they were false advertising or lying about their cameras. These set of cameras did not receive any of the hype I thought they would. I use Panasonic cameras for the overall user experience. It does seem like Sony has the lead on auto focus, but that is it. No one is talking about ISO performance anymore now that this camera has arrived. What happened to the lack of dual card slots in other cameras and the praise for this camera offering it? The 4k 60 fps is not a lie, it is capable with an external recorder. that is not a lie. Most cameras had said that they were capable of it. Fuji is the only one that hyped and made clear the ability to do it internally. Everything this camera has done seems to lack any compromises... maybe the autofocus compared to Sony. Panasonic can easily smash the competitors.
At launch the S1 will output 10bit 4:2:2 only in hlg mode. The rest of the 10bit hdmi options will come with the paid firmware
It can record HLG internally at launch though, and the firmware will enable internal 10bit 4:2:2 not just external
MrWalrusGumboot Atomos and Panasonic confirmed at launch it will output 10bit 422 externally when in hlg mode.
The future firmware update will add 10bit internally and externally and VLog among other things
I am positive it records HLG in 10bit internally at launch without a paid update. Ive tried it and had it confirmed by Panasonic
MrWalrusGumboot yeah but it’s only 4:2:0 internal with h265 codec. Externally you get 4:2:2 and better codec options
Very sensible commentary as always, but I do feel the S1 needs placing in the context of a Speedboosted GH5/GH5S... then I have more sympathy for the negative view points out there.
I regard the S1 & S1R as a full frame G9, and think Panasonic will come out with a more video centric option within the next 12 months (an S1S perhaps?).
Thanks for clearing things up Caleb. Really appreciate it! Definitely always learning because I had the same thoughts and am glad you helped to clear it up. Will you talk about the new Canon EOS RP?
Notification squad ✌️ When is the BMPCC 4K review coming up?
Hoping to get that out this or next month.
You are the best! @@dslrvideoshooter
Is it bad that I liked before starting? Prove me wrong, lol. 🤣🤣
I don't think its bad! I may be a little biased though ;-)
DSLR Video Shooter I guess I just like that I will always learn something from your videos.
did the same xD
Have you tested low-light performance as you say it's not quiet as good as the others but one review I saw showed it almost 2 stop better than a Z6?
can i use other lenses(slr,canon,samyang) except the leica?
I mean it will have the edge on Sony on 4K 30p after getting a PAID update, after an UNKNOWN amount of time. Meanwhile, the A7iii is almost a one year old camera, offering full frame 4k at 500$ cheaper(without calculating any discounts mind you). I am glad Panasonic is making full frame cameras now but a7 easily beats this in value imo.
What I find interesting is the Full HD capabilities. If they can make stellar full hd video that can attract some people.
Why is there so much banding in this video? I thought the 10 bit of the GH5 eliminated banding.
I’d like to see Blackmagic adopt the lens mount and put out some full frame options... 🤔
Can the s1 do 24 fps... How many stills per second not that i need it..just curious.. as far as autofocus is concerned I don't know where to stand on that traditionally fillmers use manual focus.. I do understand that that's not the target market here but whatever...no raw.in still? Did i just hear you say that? thats a deal breaker for almost any 📷. I did address this in another of your videos but I want to stay that again I'm very curious because I want to like this camera but the image samples on DP as far as fine detail terrible. From what I've seen in the portraits that they have released my Ricoh gr does better.. so again I don't know if they've addressed that the sensor is going to mainly Cater to New lenses.. I have definitely found that M Glass an LTM react with differently with different sensors.. I have a very old m-mount German lens that looks amazing on my A7 but looks terrible on Fuji.. I'm curious what Panasonic a saying about this.. because seriously those portraits that they released at least the ones that dpreview has are absolutely terrible and I don't mean in technique I mean an overall detail
Yeah man.. that non-flip out screen is pretty brutal. Granted this isn't really built to vlog with but doing any sort of sit-down video (like this one lol) is going to be problematic without that flip screen.
Completely off topic, but what is the make and model of your eyeglasses? I've been looking for a similar frame style
Really love your post production work man. Would love to get the same look. Do you have any tutorials on this I could purchase please? Thanks in advance.
Can you maybe compare panasonic s1 vs bmpcc 4k ? That would be incredible, because I'm considering both. Especially for Documentary. LOVE YOU! Thanks.
Have you seen how bad is the Crop on these cameras when it comes to 30 and 60p? I had the chance to play with both the S1 and S1R and the crop is ridiculously bad.
Nice lighting. I'm guessing this is more than one layer of diffusion? Or maybe diffusion combined with bounce?
The specs we're mostly fine with me. It's hard to expect a lot from their first full frame line. Not to mention, Panasonic has mentioned multiple times this is geared namely at photographer's still - the strength is in it's photo capabilities before video.
Now, that being said, the only I disagree with is lens pricing - I don't expect to see affordable lenses for a while, even with Sigma. And adapting is great, but have a native mount with IBIS is how I shoot, so I need native glass. And that lens price is just not worth it for me.
We'll have to play the waiting game. I don't see many early adopters gaining much benefit in the beginning. It would be wise to wait on price drops and firmware updates to see how the system matures.
I think the low light might even exceed the A7III, the noise floor pattern looks better than the A7III from 51200 and up.
i don't mind Panasonic for sticking with their focus system in the hopes that the future it'll be amazing but removing the rotating screen hurt my feelings. I'm thinking i'm getting the a73 and a7s3 is never going to be released.
What is the bit rate for HDMI out?
What does 4:2:2 and 4:2:0 stands for ?
Silly question: what's the lens on the GH5 you're holding?
I think the S1 promises a bright future for Panasonic! It makes me
hope for a Full Frame EVA 2 (or 3) or even a FF GH series!
Even better the marriage between Leica, Sigma, and Panasonic is even better!
I’m not saying I’d buy one, but maybe rent one and see!
Full frame EVA would be SICK.
DSLR Video Shooter I really think it’s going to happen! Especially with the rise of LF cameras like the Monstrous & Alexa LF, it’s only a matter of time before Sony & BM do it as well!
If the a7sIII has these specs, I will be very very happy.
Nice set of informations, thank you. For me as a documentary solo shooter this camera is out of the game for its autofocus issues and the high price tag of the lenses. Maybe some others will decide to buy the body and rent the right lenses for the job.
>big bulky expensive professional body
>no flip out screen because it makes cameras bigger and more expensive
OTL
Big Bulky body? You must not have shot with Cinema cameras. These cameras are tiny!
@@Leftha3ndmedia well i have. will take my xt3 for the size and my fs7 for the real work.
That Xt3 is great as of last week. That 4GB limit made that thing unusable for us! Enjoy it.
@@Leftha3ndmedia why is that a big deal? recording between files is seamless
typoded Simple math... When I hit the record button, whether it be for 7 seconds or 70 minutes, I should have one file. When you do this for a living you look for the best tools that do the best work. Until that update, it was an no go for us. We’re always going to look for what will simplify our workflow.
We expected better from Panasonic, and for the price. We get 60fps 4K on the S1, but not phase detect autofocus like the a7iii has. Since we're paying a higher price than the Sony shouldn't we expect both features for the money?