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@@ozzo870 In my opinion, one of the major reasons for the gradual yet rapid loss of prestige of the Manchurian language upon contact with other languages such as Chinese and Mongolian was its lack in literary tradition. The Manchurian language had always been a spoken language without any writing system until the end of 16th century. Its lack of literature accumulation made it more challenging for the language to be preserved through education and academic works. Another important reason was that the Manchurian people were a hunter-gatherer society throughout the most part of their history. Despite their military might during the 17th century, they were generally less developed in comparison with the Chinese in many aspects, hence the susceptibility towards Sinitic influence
@@colonelneofilms Yeah, and these are the languages that we know. There have been many languages that died without the majority of the world’s population ever even knew them. Language death is a natural phenomenon that is more common than we think. And it’s only gonna become more common with the incessantly increasing influence of the internet.
I have Manchu heritage but even Manchu people don't speak that language anymore. I am told that less than 10 native speakers are still alive (and they are old). Surprisingly this decline started during the Qing Dynasty where Manchu people were actually in charge of the country.
Manchu people generally can speak simple sentences in their native language. However when it comes to long conversations, they revert back to Mandarin Chinese. Historian had estimated that the total Manchu population in 1644 when they entered China was between 500,000 to 1,000,000 strong in contrast to estimated 100 million strong Han Chinese population. Large numbers of Manchus got relocated to prominent Han Chinese territories to maintain local garrisons. Many Manchus were in fact Han Chinese that settled in Manchuria centuries prior and later become Manchufied when they embraced Manchu language, culture and identity. Under the policy of Manchu Qing Dynasty, documents were written in 2 copy: Manchu written language and Han Chinese written. Han Chinese officials were required to learn Manchu language in order to review documents written in Manchu. The Manchus never imposed their language and culture on Han Chinese population. The only aspects imposed are Manchu clothing and hairstyle. The process of Sinification had been going on since the Manchu Qing rule as Manchus themselves increasing embraced Han Chinese languages and culture when they lived among Han Chinese population. Manchu people are now known by their Han Chinese names though a small minority retains their original Manchu names.
The Manchu nation in 1644 was small, numbering maybe 1.2 million. In 1644 the Han Chinese were just over 100 million strong. This is why China is a country that usually assimilates anyone who invades it. The Mongol Yuan couldn't kill off enough Chinese, so they ended up becoming Chinese themselves. In the case of the Qing Dynasty, the Manchu ruling class had to learn Chinese culture in order to be able to rule the country, thus leading them to become Sinicized in the process.
@@dzimidrol475 They intermarried with the local population and lost their Manchu identity. By official records, more than 90% of China identify as Han on their official documents, but if we did a DNA sample, there's probably a good mix of Manchu, Mongolian, Xianbei, etc. They either Sinicized or their culture merged into the larger population. Han ethnicity is not a monolith (though realistically, no ethnicity is). If you trace the bloodlines, there's probably more ethnic Manchu than before. It's just that fewer identify as such
The issue is that Japanese is closer to Korean, while Manchu language appears to be more distant. I cannot understand at all. Nonetheless, Korean nationalists have harbored strong resentment towards Japan, surpassing their disdain for the monarchy.
To Koreans, Manchu sounds more much like Korean than Japanese does. Japanese grammar is similar to Korean, but the phonology is very different@@InspectorA-r2e
@@csjbest7130I just saw the clip you posted on your channel and you're obviously not Korean lol. You have an obvious Chinese accent! Every Korean who I showed this video to were surprised at how Manchu sounds like a Korean satoori.
@@eaje3et how do you distinguish asian australian accents? to me that guy sounds obviously australian and asian but i cannot pinpoint which ethnicity exactly
Wow, a very distinct language, but at the same time I can see how the language in procimity and cohabitation with other languages have a certain influence, while manchu has it's own distinct sound. To me it sounds nothing like mandarin, and has a cadence similar to korean, and some similar sounds, but at the same time being very distinct, almost sounding like a north korean dialect, mixed with Siberian languages and elements of Mongolian. What a very beautiful language. It is a reflection of the history of the people who live in the area!
@@AntonsClass Yes. It sounds JUST like Korean. Korean is my native tongue. I speak some Chinese too and I almost feel like I understand everything they are saying.
@Who_Let_the_Dawn_In yes it's the cadence! The sounds they use, when the halmoni was speaking it almost sounded like a country dialect! But it's not surprising we have a LONG history with them! We were even citizens of the same nations many times! Its just crazy how none of their language is at all si.ilar to Korean. I do wonder if goguryeo balhae or beakje language was similar or at least had loan words.
@omggiiirl2077 oh, that's a whole different rabbit hole right there. 😂 but yes, we are the same people. I hope we can revive this language. It's a jewel.
Imagine being in this lady's shoe. She is so happy to have someone to talk to like the time when her parents were alive. May Abka Khan bless her and these speakers!
Was about to say this. It's weird listening to it, it sounds like it should make sense but it doesn't. I guess it's like those nonsense English videos about what English sounds like to a foreigner.
For real! I'm Korean myself, and I feel like I'm listening to some Korean with some sort of accent or something. When I hear Korean dialect with strong accent and unique vocabulary, I can't understand them clearly either anyway. It feels so weird and amazing! Lol
0:28 can’t write - bichi ji tahah gu = bichij chadah gui (Mongolian) and asking can you write : ci bichi ji tahahuu? = chi bichij chadahuu? (Mongolian)
I am not Manchu but I am Evenk from Russia, so also of Tungusic heritage. I can hear similarities between the Manchu and Evenki languages but the two are definitely not mutually intelligible. I think Manchus mixed with Han Chinese since as early as the Song dynasty so they already had different culture and appearance even before the Qing dynasty. I am not surprised to see Altaicists in this comment section who think Manchu sounds like Korean or Turkic. They claim Tungusic people and cultures as theirs for their stupid nationalistic agendas. I despise Altaicists with all my heart.
I’m Manchu and kinda agree with you. Manchu people as a race as chinese washed to a large extent nowadays. People don’t (or not allowed to) speak manchurian since the boomer generation. Btw, how many percent do you think Manchurian and Evenki language are similar to each other tho? And do evenki people in Russia still speak evenki as their mother tongue?
so, 'people who think this manchu convo sounds like korean or turkic' = altaicists to you?? what a simple and convenient logic.. so when I say 'spanish and greek sound similar' and that makes me a spanish imperialist or pro franco facist??
@@leostuhler7440 It's not because of "manchu convo sounds like korean or turkic' = altaicists". Many of the altaicist believer claim manchu are or whole of "altailand" as their own.
Mongolic, Tungusic (Manchu is in), and Korean have close phonology. That's why Mongolians speak Korean better than any other ethnic group. According to a recent study, Buryat and some Tungusic languages were closer to Korean in pronunciation than Japanese is. The study is called "Exploring correlations in genetic and cultural variation across language families in northeast Asia"
Nope, the Korean language is easier for Mongolians who have also learned Cyrillic Mongolian. For Mongols who write in the ancient Mongol script, their pronunciation differs, making it harder for them to pronounce Korean words. This also demonstrates how Buryats can learn Korean easily. I know this because I've seen people in Inner Mongolia who only speak Mongolian, and they sound vastly different from us modern Mongolians. As for the Manchu language, it is very close to native Mongolian speakers because they seem to pronounce it similarly. I think they can easily learn Mongolian due to the closeness in pronunciation.
Also, I'm Buryat Mongolian. I had an easier time learning Japanese because I enjoyed watching anime. However, for the Korean language, it didn't really stick with me since I was never into Korean things. Many young Mongolians are into Korean culture, dramas, and K-pop, making the Korean language interesting for them. This also explains why the Korean language is easier for them to learn. If you mention an easy language for Mongolians to learn, Japanese is way easier than Korean for Mongolians. I never had any pronunciation mistakes when learning Japanese; the only difficulty was remembering kanji. In contrast, Korean pronunciation was harder for me than Japanese.
@@Spiritasq In the linguistic studies that measured the closeness of pronunciation, everyone spoke their own language. The results is that the pronunciation of a Buryat speaking Buryat is fairly close to a Korean speaking Korean, and distant from Japanese. There's also Tungusic and Turkic speakers who had closer phonetics to Korean compared to Japanese. Japanese does have Altaic influenced grammar. But the phonology is Burman-Tibetan.
@@eaje3et I'm Buryat myself, and speaking Buryat doesn't sound like Korean, lol. I also know that our pronunciation changed because we adapted to Cyrillic, which means our native pronunciation is different from Koreans due to the introduction of Cyrillic.
First of all, you don't even really know what the real "Manchurian language" sounds like. Northern Chinese accent has remained largely the same throughout history, it's the Chinese assimilated the Manchus, not the other way around, and before that the Chinese assimilated Baiyues. Chinese in southeast asia are largely of sinicized Baiyue lineage, many of them are now in the process of de-cinicization.
It’s actually mostly the other way around! Many believe that Northern Chinese underwent huge phonological shifts over the past few hundred years, due to deep intermixing / very large absorption of original Jurchen (“叉子”）/ Manchen (“夫子”) populations
Is there some difference between the Manchu taught in schools and the one spoken by these old native speakers? I wonder if it's similar with Irish where there is some discrepancy between native speakers and those who learned the language at school.
Probably accent is the most obvious difference. Like modern Irish people who learn Irish in schools speak with an extremely Irish-English accent, while if you watch videos of old monolingual/native speakers of Irish, their accent is very different from Irish-English
0:22 보 지구자국노 가르칠께. 0:33 키 타큰노? (다 읽노?) 만주 다금매. 기래? 예에..0:40 미오모 다 이제 다큼매...뭐뭐 하노? 로 물어보는듯. 그러면 경상도 사투리인데..억양이나 이런게 강릉사투리 같기고 하고 경상도 사투리 같기도 하네..지나가다 들으면 그냥 시골할매 사투리 같음. 신기하네..딱 중국어 할때는 안들리다가 만주어로 돌아오면 들릴랑 말랑..
I can actually understand a bit since 2:11 when she talks about Japanese and building houses, it seems like there are quite a few loanwords from Mandarin
The reason manchu not survive is because the Manchus didn't force all the Chinese to learn Manchu. There were more Han mandarin speaker than Manchu speakers. Only the higher officials speaker manchus.
The Manchus cannot force their language on the Han Chinese. Total Manchu population in 1644 when they entered China is estimated between 500,000 to 1 million strong. Many Manchus are actually Han Chinese that settled in Manchuria centuries prior and embraced Manchu cultural identity when Nurhachi became Later Jin Emperor. At that time, they are still known as Jurchen. It is Huang Taiji renamed the Jurchen people as Manchus. Only aspects of Manchu culture imposed are hairstyle and clothing. Under Qing policy, all official documents are recorded in 2 written languages: Manchu and Han Chinese. Higher ranking Han Chinese officials are required to learn Manchu language in order to reevaluate documents in Manchu language.
@@MrLanteanPopulation aside, I think the bigger aspect was people's attitudes towards their native language. Vietnamese, for example, much smaller in population and weaker in military power than Han Chinese, after roughly 1000 year under Chinese rules, some cultural aspects were influenced such as converting from matrilineal to patriarchal, picking up some Confucius philosophy...however, the language has been staying almost the same; even though under Han Chinese rules, Vietnamese was banned, books were burned. There is a group of Vietnamese who were left behind and became an ethnic minority in modern China - had no contact with the larger Vietnamese nation for hundreds years. Surprisingly, they still speak understandable Vietnamese, know how to sing Vietnamese folk songs and quote poems/verses. Some words they used are no longer used in modern Vietnamese, but averagely, the accent and tones are almost the same. That is only a group of a couple thousands people with absolutely no (or negative) political power. If Manchu peoples/rulers actually cared about preserving their culture and language, it should have been disappearing that fast. Hair style, clothing could be imposed, why not language? English, French, Spanish spred on their colonies. When I read about Genghis Khan and the Mongolian empire, I also see that they were liberal in term of religions, ideologies and languages. Maybe, the Manchurians shared similar mindset.
@@4rg3sin the case of the spanish, the spanish empire didn’t actually impose the spanish language throughout the viceroyalty period. Peru for example before the secession wars was 60% quechua speaking. A lot of the assimilation into spanish language in spanish america happened as a result of the caudillos who fought the wars to separate from spain, it was a criollo project (criollos are spaniards born in the americas/ have very strong spanish influence). That’s why in other places like the philippines they don’t speak spanish, the spaniards never imposed the language and to boot it off the filipinization process for the country also got rid of the few criollos there since the US took hold and the criollos did not unlike in the americas.
There's no other language to my knowledge that sounds more similar to Korean. Even native Koreans confuse this language for Korean at times. Specifically, it sounds alike a N Korean dialect. I'm not sure why some people are offended at this. Linguists agree that Altaic was at least a Sprachbund. According to a recent study, there were a couple of Tungusic languages phonologically similar to Korean, much more than Japanese is. Look up "Exploring correlations in genetic and cultural variation across language families in northeast Asia" Btw, I never met a Korean who wanted to take Manchu or Siberian land. Most Koreans don't even know what Manchurian is, or that it's a distinct ethnic group from Han Chinese.
@@marioplayer1410 That's because the Manchus mixed with the Han Chinese, their ancestors are distinguishable from the Hans. A lot of Manchus don't even have any Jurchen Ancestry.
@@shindavid6484 lmao that's like saying Koreans and Chinese are distinguishable. Maybe by hairstyles and clothes, but if there were 100 Chinese and 100 Koreans butt naked next to you most likely cannot tell for sure who's what.
@@ponuniWhat?? 😭 As a Korean, I can very easily tell apart Chinese and Korean people just by looking in their eyes. Even the facial structures are markedly different. Of course there are a few people here and there who are ambiguous in appearance, but the vast majority of people are very easy to identify. I guess it's a power that only us East Asians have 🤷♂️
It is hard to understand for mongolian speakers, however when it is written or listen carefully, it does intelligable (understandable). It has been said that it differs from its original Tungustic language (Siberian), due to its drifting towards Chinese accents (pronuncations).
Truly amazing of the Manchu' Own writing and spoken unique. Sure, very advance people and her rule in China had such an impact in costumes and culture. No wonder now I understand why Northeast China are very proud of their customs and culture. Even today generation still feel this way. They prefer spouse from the same region. I had a friend there. Like her direct expression of real opinion and at times seems blunt. But then it is their culture.
Just fell into a rabbit hole abt this after seeing a Manchu script for xi jinpings name on Wikipedia. Crazy how a language spoken by a whole ass dynasty for years could be wiped out so quickly. And it sounds nothing like mandarin wow.
I find it odd that Chinese commenters here get enraged when people mention how similar Manchu sounds to Korean. There are even a few people who pretend to be Korean and say it doesn't sound similar? It's pathetic. Linguistics studies prove that Korean and Manchu have phonetic and grammatical similarities. This is not surprising as they were geographically literally right next each other.
@@haruzanfuuchamy first impression is also Korean. I don't know Mongolian but watch several Korean movies. With my ignorance about these languages, I would guess she was speaking Korean.
Interesting! Sounds like some korean grandma in rural area speaking with strong accents similar to mongolian and chinese. I would say the phonetics seem to be similar to mongolian and the cadence seem to be similar to korean language.
@@plveuk813 but after the puppet state of manchuria wouldn't there be a popular use of the manchu language in the army or institutions that would carry on to the next generation
A lot of regional "dialects" in southern China are also going extinct so the Manchu language isn't the only one. Parents in southern China see no use of regional dialects and would rather their kids focus on Chinese Mandarin instead. It's sad that overseas Chinese speak better regional dialects today than the Chinese in China which is unfortunate.
Im Korean. And the accent and sounds are very similar to Korean 🤣. I was accidentally try to understand it. This is very surprising omg. Didn't expect it Cannot understand what they saying but i think Manchu language is the closest foreign language to Korean language. I meant the accent and sounds are very similar. Now, I can understand how sounds like when foreigners listen to Korean language.
The Qing Dynasty will face a full-blown rebellion from the Han Chinese if it tries to impose Manchu language on them. Historians had estimated that the total population of Manchu population in 1644 was between 500,00 to 1 million strong in contrast with the estimated 100 million Han Chinese population. Throughout the history of China, Non Chinese peoples had been assimilated into Han Chinese population. For pragmatic purpose, the Manchus never imposed other aspects of their culture on the Han Chinese except hairstyle and clothing. To preserve their native language, the Manchus has official documents be written in Manchu language while having copies written in Chinese characters. Also Han Chinese officials are required to learn Manchu language in order to review documents written in Manchu language.
I think Cantonese also will be the same cause most of kids in Guangdong don’t speak in their own language.Even my bf son can’t speak in Cantonese even though her parents speak in Cantonese.I feel like they failed to him .HOngkong people still speak in Cantonese even new generations but Guangdong and Guangzhou people failed to teach new generations to speak their native languages.
I am a Han Chinese with Manchurian ancestry, and my best friend is a pure Manchurian. This is a forgotten ethnic group, with language disappearing and appearance slightly different from Han Chinese, making it difficult to distinguish. My friend has long forgotten the history of Jurchen conquering China. The Manchus are the strongest Jurchen, and Jurchen is unstoppable in battle. However, the incompetence of the late Qing Empire led to China being brutally bullied by European countries, Manchus have also been guilty of China
There is no pure Manchu ancestry. Manchu is a cultural identity. You are genetically indistinguishable from Northeastern Chinese even genetic tests going back 4 ancestors of pure Manchu blood shows that you are just Han. "Appearance slightly different from Han Chinese" - Yeah, because not every Chinese has Fujian ancestry or Miao. You are Northeastern Chinese.
@@marioplayer1410 You can't deny that some Manchus still have Jurchen ancestry, and the Manchu identity was mainly based off of the Jurchen Identity. Having Han tribes that joined does not change that fact.
@@shindavid6484 A lot of people do not consider Yayoi to be Japanese, but they are arguably Japanese because they brought over the Japonic languages and have a genetic makeup similar to modern Japanese. The idea of Manchu is very political. There were too many tribes under Manchu to just consider it a pure Jurchen tribe.
During manchukuo they all speak chinese. Even during late qing most dont even understand manchu script. In what basis do you thhink that the people republic of manchuria can do? At most it would be a soviet vassal like PROM.
I think the younger guys on the left are Sibo people, their ancestors left manchuria in the middle of 1700s to guard against the western frontiers of the qing dynasty. They number some 100,000 strong today, mostly converse in manchu / sibo in their daily lives. The guy closet to the camera speaks mandarin with a slight accent, the manchu language is being kept alive by the sibo people. I used to think manchu is an extinct language, but in actual fact, it is very much alive and thriving, just under a different name.
The Sibo or Xibe people is also a Tungusic speaking people like the Manchus. Their language is mutual intelligible with Manchu language. Some linguists regard the Sibo language is said to be a dialect of Manchu language while others regard it as a sister language to Manchu. Most likely that both languages are descended from a common root language rather than one being a dialect of another. The Sibo originate from Manchuria but due to a failed revolt by the Qiqihar Sibo in 1764, Qing Emperor Qianlong had them relocated to the Ili River, Xinjiang to maintain a local garrison as well as a punishment for the failed revolt. In Xinjiang, the Sibo maintain much of their culture which include their spoken language through it has gone through morphophonological changes and the adoption of loanwords from languages spoken in Xinjiang like Uyghur, Mandarin Chinese, Russian and other. The Sibo remained in Manchuria underwent further Sinification and the descendants speak primarily Mandarin Chinese.
Once I heard that Manchu is the mother language of all Turkic languages. I am definetely hearing some similar accents and pronunciation but of course I understand nothing. I only know that "yakshi" means "good" in their language too
@@tonialbert333 I note that Irish and Indigenous language revival programs have been in place for some decades, or centuries in the case of Welsh. Manchu and Tibetan were targeted for elimination.
@@Kitsaplorax Also native americans were drove to elimination, and speaking irish in the past was also considered to be low level like farming so what is the difference?
Goguryeo and especially Balhae directly influenced the Manchu language for centuries. Balhae was comprised of mostly Mohe people (ancestors of Manchu) but with a Goguryeo ruling class.
@@haruzanfuucha I don’t even believe in the Altaic language family but it’s famously known that Koreans and Manchurians are the closest ethnic group and languages to each other which makes sense looking at their geographical proximity to one another
@@haruzanfuucha are you joking? The history of Korea, Manchuria, northern China, and Mongolia are all intertwined with one another with all those groups having a very tight genetic and phenotypical affinity. Japanese and Koreans have nothing to do with each other apart from being both East Asians. Japanese also have a heavy south East Asian and jomon component not found in Korean ancestry. Plus most modern linguist categorize the japanese language closer to austronesian and austro-asiatic aside from being an isolate. I would group Koreans, Tungus, inner Mongolians, siberians and northern Chinese closely together in a north Asian genetic group while Japanese, ryukyuans, Ainu, southern Chinese and Taiwanese would be in amother group as they have mixed genetics from both north east and south East Asians
@@ganggang2537 Are YOU joking? No other mainland Asian ethnic group comes even close to being related to the Japanese as Koreans are. Both Japanese and Koreans primarily descend from the Neolithic West Liao River populations. The Japanese do not have a "heavy south East Asian" component, they're actually more genetically "northern-shifted" than Koreans are. What makes the Japanese genetically "unusual" is their large proportion of Jomon ancestry compared to other East Asians (except Ryukyuans who have even more). Koreans do have a very minor level of Jomon-related ancestry, bodies unearthed from the Gaya confederacy actually had individuals possessing more Jomon-related ancestry than even modern Japanese. It is generally accepted that the Japonic languages were spoken on the Korean peninsula before they moved to the Japanese archipelago. Japonic is therefore likely a Jomon-derived language. The Japonic languages may have some similarities to the Austronesian or Austroasiatic languages but no linguist actually classifies Japonic into either of them. Vovin has also stated that the similarities between such languages likely arose from contact rather than the features being genetic. "North Asians" are people from Siberia possessing Paleosiberian ancestries, not north Chinese or Koreans. All East Asians have Yellow River ancestry - a group which was already an admixture of ancient southern East Asian (Yangtze River related) and Northeast Asian (Amur River related) ancestries. East Asians are essentially a mix of NEA-like and SEA-like people.
I am Korean and this sounds nothing like Korean or has anything to do with Korean. I don’t understand why narcissistic Koreans have to claim everything they see and make absurd, crazy connections to everything and get all conspiratorial like it relates to politics or nationality? This clearly is like a brother language that evolved in parallel with eastern varieties of Mongolian especially Khorchin Mongolian, the vocabulary and pronounciation and ways of talking are almost identical except some endings. Neither I believe it is related to Mandarin at all contrary to beliefs, Mandarin developed far earlier than the Qing dynasty was founded. Manchurian and Mongolian are their own independent languages and culture that have nothing to do with Chinese or Koreans Why cannot people be happy with who they are and mind their own business these days?
That's to be expected unfortunately. Loony nationalists or 'romanticists' from Korea or China trying to establish some form of connection where there is none. Besides, the science is out there. Southern Tungusic and Korean have absolutely no connection in base vocabulary and shockingly little to no loanwords. I don't know about the Khorchin variety of Mongolian, but I'll take your word for it. The family of dialects can sound pretty different.
A lot of my ancestry comes from small villages in the northern parts of Korea, so I know and looked into this issue for a long time. And from what I can gather these Jurchens and Manchus look to come from areas closer to Mongols where there were a lot of flat plains and rivers. While many Koreans especially in the north resided in the mountains and coast stretching all the way into modern Russia and kept their ways and mentality for centuries. Even if we do not know the extent of what Southern Tungusic languages and varieties were, it seems like the Manchu and Jurchen people were actually many degrees apart from those people who actually made up areas in Korean peninsula and adjacent to Korea, even if some academics and scholars classify Balhae as Southern Tungusic. Whatever native component there was always stronger and fundamentally different from Manchus and their ancestors
Altaic doesn't exist, it has been disproven by historians and linguists. The only people who push this are Turkish and Azeri ultranationalists who still believe in the Turanic myth. :)
@@broodjeal-cohol5033 yes, one can still refer to those languages as the languages proposed to be in the altaic family, even if everyone knows the family doesn't exist.
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Its crazy how the language of an entire Dynasty at one time is now critically endangered.
Many great empires rose and fell in human history. The Egyptian language completely died out despite its past glory.
@@yifuyang6188 And no one but the holy see speak latin casually. But that's not even classical latin
@@yifuyang6188 Yeah but the Qing empire was dissolved in the 20th century. Pretty fast extinction despite how recent it was.
@@ozzo870 In my opinion, one of the major reasons for the gradual yet rapid loss of prestige of the Manchurian language upon contact with other languages such as Chinese and Mongolian was its lack in literary tradition. The Manchurian language had always been a spoken language without any writing system until the end of 16th century. Its lack of literature accumulation made it more challenging for the language to be preserved through education and academic works. Another important reason was that the Manchurian people were a hunter-gatherer society throughout the most part of their history. Despite their military might during the 17th century, they were generally less developed in comparison with the Chinese in many aspects, hence the susceptibility towards Sinitic influence
@@colonelneofilms Yeah, and these are the languages that we know. There have been many languages that died without the majority of the world’s population ever even knew them. Language death is a natural phenomenon that is more common than we think. And it’s only gonna become more common with the incessantly increasing influence of the internet.
“What are you two doing learning the Manchu language” as if she was a kind grandmother playfully admonishing her grandkids ❤🥺
I have Manchu heritage but even Manchu people don't speak that language anymore. I am told that less than 10 native speakers are still alive (and they are old). Surprisingly this decline started during the Qing Dynasty where Manchu people were actually in charge of the country.
Manchu people generally can speak simple sentences in their native language. However when it comes to long conversations, they revert back to Mandarin Chinese. Historian had estimated that the total Manchu population in 1644 when they entered China was between 500,000 to 1,000,000 strong in contrast to estimated 100 million strong Han Chinese population. Large numbers of Manchus got relocated to prominent Han Chinese territories to maintain local garrisons. Many Manchus were in fact Han Chinese that settled in Manchuria centuries prior and later become Manchufied when they embraced Manchu language, culture and identity. Under the policy of Manchu Qing Dynasty, documents were written in 2 copy: Manchu written language and Han Chinese written. Han Chinese officials were required to learn Manchu language in order to review documents written in Manchu. The Manchus never imposed their language and culture on Han Chinese population. The only aspects imposed are Manchu clothing and hairstyle. The process of Sinification had been going on since the Manchu Qing rule as Manchus themselves increasing embraced Han Chinese languages and culture when they lived among Han Chinese population. Manchu people are now known by their Han Chinese names though a small minority retains their original Manchu names.
The Manchu nation in 1644 was small, numbering maybe 1.2 million. In 1644 the Han Chinese were just over 100 million strong. This is why China is a country that usually assimilates anyone who invades it. The Mongol Yuan couldn't kill off enough Chinese, so they ended up becoming Chinese themselves. In the case of the Qing Dynasty, the Manchu ruling class had to learn Chinese culture in order to be able to rule the country, thus leading them to become Sinicized in the process.
is it true sachima is manchurian ? is it the same recipe ? what other things did they eat ?
Do you guys know why there was already up to a million Manchus at that time while the related Evenks barely number up to 50-60 thousand today?
@@dzimidrol475 They intermarried with the local population and lost their Manchu identity. By official records, more than 90% of China identify as Han on their official documents, but if we did a DNA sample, there's probably a good mix of Manchu, Mongolian, Xianbei, etc. They either Sinicized or their culture merged into the larger population. Han ethnicity is not a monolith (though realistically, no ethnicity is). If you trace the bloodlines, there's probably more ethnic Manchu than before. It's just that fewer identify as such
The language sounds like it sits between Korean and Mongolian. It's ironic that it legitimately does so geographically.
The issue is that Japanese is closer to Korean, while Manchu language appears to be more distant. I cannot understand at all.
Nonetheless, Korean nationalists have harbored strong resentment towards Japan, surpassing their disdain for the monarchy.
To Koreans, Manchu sounds more much like Korean than Japanese does. Japanese grammar is similar to Korean, but the phonology is very different@@InspectorA-r2e
I disagree, as a native korean speaker i cannot tell much similarity within the two languages.
@@csjbest7130I just saw the clip you posted on your channel and you're obviously not Korean lol. You have an obvious Chinese accent! Every Korean who I showed this video to were surprised at how Manchu sounds like a Korean satoori.
@@eaje3et how do you distinguish asian australian accents? to me that guy sounds obviously australian and asian but i cannot pinpoint which ethnicity exactly
Wow, a very distinct language, but at the same time I can see how the language in procimity and cohabitation with other languages have a certain influence, while manchu has it's own distinct sound. To me it sounds nothing like mandarin, and has a cadence similar to korean, and some similar sounds, but at the same time being very distinct, almost sounding like a north korean dialect, mixed with Siberian languages and elements of Mongolian. What a very beautiful language. It is a reflection of the history of the people who live in the area!
I agree. I thought it had a sound sort of similar to Korean, if anything.
It sounds just like Korean.
@@AntonsClass Yes. It sounds JUST like Korean. Korean is my native tongue. I speak some Chinese too and I almost feel like I understand everything they are saying.
@Who_Let_the_Dawn_In yes it's the cadence! The sounds they use, when the halmoni was speaking it almost sounded like a country dialect! But it's not surprising we have a LONG history with them! We were even citizens of the same nations many times! Its just crazy how none of their language is at all si.ilar to Korean. I do wonder if goguryeo balhae or beakje language was similar or at least had loan words.
@omggiiirl2077 oh, that's a whole different rabbit hole right there. 😂 but yes, we are the same people. I hope we can revive this language. It's a jewel.
I love how expressive this conversation sounds
Thank you for providing English subtitles
Imagine being in this lady's shoe. She is so happy to have someone to talk to like the time when her parents were alive. May Abka Khan bless her and these speakers!
Who is abkha khan?
@@aksamhuda7 A middle ages Mongolian ruler (Khan)
@@thepablorz You’ve mistaken it with Abaqa khan. Abka khan is the sky god in Manchurian shamanism
@@Amai-Kurvi-Taschabka manju karmame aisirao ！天佑滿洲！
I am mongolian. I understand some of their frases.
This is awesome, learning Manchu from this elder!
I've never heard it out loud before. Thank you!
It sort of has a similar cadence as Korean.
That was my first thought
Was about to say this. It's weird listening to it, it sounds like it should make sense but it doesn't. I guess it's like those nonsense English videos about what English sounds like to a foreigner.
reminds me how Greek is to Spanish, they have similar cadence but not really any common understanding
Manchu has quite a bit of Korean influence and loanwords from when Manchus were called Jurchens
For real! I'm Korean myself, and I feel like I'm listening to some Korean with some sort of accent or something. When I hear Korean dialect with strong accent and unique vocabulary, I can't understand them clearly either anyway. It feels so weird and amazing! Lol
She remembers China before the war? Bruh she's a national treasure for that alone.
She has so much wisdom to share! I’d love to talk to her
0:28 can’t write - bichi ji tahah gu = bichij chadah gui (Mongolian) and asking can you write : ci bichi ji tahahuu? = chi bichij chadahuu? (Mongolian)
abka manju karmame aisirao ！天佑滿洲！
Thanks for the video. Respect from the neighborhood, korea
Manchurians sweat when they see a Korean. They hate people knowing the truth.
I have been waiting for this one!
I am not Manchu but I am Evenk from Russia, so also of Tungusic heritage. I can hear similarities between the Manchu and Evenki languages but the two are definitely not mutually intelligible. I think Manchus mixed with Han Chinese since as early as the Song dynasty so they already had different culture and appearance even before the Qing dynasty. I am not surprised to see Altaicists in this comment section who think Manchu sounds like Korean or Turkic. They claim Tungusic people and cultures as theirs for their stupid nationalistic agendas. I despise Altaicists with all my heart.
I’m Manchu and kinda agree with you. Manchu people as a race as chinese washed to a large extent nowadays. People don’t (or not allowed to) speak manchurian since the boomer generation. Btw, how many percent do you think Manchurian and Evenki language are similar to each other tho? And do evenki people in Russia still speak evenki as their mother tongue?
This is the first time I've heard a Tungusic person trash talk Altaicists hehe. Good on you :)
so, 'people who think this manchu convo sounds like korean or turkic' = altaicists to you?? what a simple and convenient logic.. so when I say 'spanish and greek sound similar' and that makes me a spanish imperialist or pro franco facist??
@@leostuhler7440 Oh stfu, you haven't been dealing with Korean and Turkish Altaicists all over the web like I have.
@@leostuhler7440 It's not because of "manchu convo sounds like korean or turkic' = altaicists". Many of the altaicist believer claim manchu are or whole of "altailand" as their own.
As a Mongolian I’m surprised that it sounds very familiar.
Mongolic, Tungusic (Manchu is in), and Korean have close phonology. That's why Mongolians speak Korean better than any other ethnic group. According to a recent study, Buryat and some Tungusic languages were closer to Korean in pronunciation than Japanese is. The study is called "Exploring correlations in genetic and cultural variation across language families in northeast Asia"
Nope, the Korean language is easier for Mongolians who have also learned Cyrillic Mongolian. For Mongols who write in the ancient Mongol script, their pronunciation differs, making it harder for them to pronounce Korean words. This also demonstrates how Buryats can learn Korean easily. I know this because I've seen people in Inner Mongolia who only speak Mongolian, and they sound vastly different from us modern Mongolians. As for the Manchu language, it is very close to native Mongolian speakers because they seem to pronounce it similarly. I think they can easily learn Mongolian due to the closeness in pronunciation.
Also, I'm Buryat Mongolian. I had an easier time learning Japanese because I enjoyed watching anime. However, for the Korean language, it didn't really stick with me since I was never into Korean things. Many young Mongolians are into Korean culture, dramas, and K-pop, making the Korean language interesting for them. This also explains why the Korean language is easier for them to learn. If you mention an easy language for Mongolians to learn, Japanese is way easier than Korean for Mongolians. I never had any pronunciation mistakes when learning Japanese; the only difficulty was remembering kanji. In contrast, Korean pronunciation was harder for me than Japanese.
@@Spiritasq In the linguistic studies that measured the closeness of pronunciation, everyone spoke their own language. The results is that the pronunciation of a Buryat speaking Buryat is fairly close to a Korean speaking Korean, and distant from Japanese. There's also Tungusic and Turkic speakers who had closer phonetics to Korean compared to Japanese.
Japanese does have Altaic influenced grammar. But the phonology is Burman-Tibetan.
@@eaje3et I'm Buryat myself, and speaking Buryat doesn't sound like Korean, lol. I also know that our pronunciation changed because we adapted to Cyrillic, which means our native pronunciation is different from Koreans due to the introduction of Cyrillic.
2:09 She talks in mandarin
Thank you so much for this video.
I'm a Southeast Asian Chinese studying in USA. I met Northern Chinese speaking Mandarin with heavy accent sounding like Manchurian language.
Cantonese sounding like Vietnamese. Hokkinese sounding like thai language.
True, it indeed sounds like what the north easterners speak like
First of all, you don't even really know what the real "Manchurian language" sounds like. Northern Chinese accent has remained largely the same throughout history, it's the Chinese assimilated the Manchus, not the other way around, and before that the Chinese assimilated Baiyues. Chinese in southeast asia are largely of sinicized Baiyue lineage, many of them are now in the process of de-cinicization.
내 증조할머니 말씀하시는거같네
Their intonations and accents sound to me (a native Korean) like those of some North Korean dialect.
I understand Korean and for a moment I thought I heard Korean phrases. The tones are similar
Always wondered how it sounded spoken naturally. Are their accents neutral or influenced by Chinese?
It sounds mandarin influenced to my ear. Hard not to be, considering Manchu wasn’t commonly spoken for a couple hundred years by now
@@hotwheelsearl I have heard before that Mandarin was influenced by Manchu.
@@memsom yes, but the Manchu spoken in the video is likewise influenced by modern mandarin pronunciation and speech patterns.
@@hotwheelsearl yeah totally even is hard for many to say some terms like in this case contries without using mandarin
It’s actually mostly the other way around! Many believe that Northern Chinese underwent huge phonological shifts over the past few hundred years, due to deep intermixing / very large absorption of original Jurchen (“叉子”）/ Manchen (“夫子”) populations
Is there some difference between the Manchu taught in schools and the one spoken by these old native speakers? I wonder if it's similar with Irish where there is some discrepancy between native speakers and those who learned the language at school.
Probably accent is the most obvious difference. Like modern Irish people who learn Irish in schools speak with an extremely Irish-English accent, while if you watch videos of old monolingual/native speakers of Irish, their accent is very different from Irish-English
actually they were talking in slightly different from standard manchurian ,but understandable.
0:22 보 지구자국노 가르칠께. 0:33 키 타큰노? (다 읽노?) 만주 다금매. 기래? 예에..0:40 미오모 다 이제 다큼매...뭐뭐 하노? 로 물어보는듯. 그러면 경상도 사투리인데..억양이나 이런게 강릉사투리 같기고 하고 경상도 사투리 같기도 하네..지나가다 들으면 그냥 시골할매 사투리 같음. 신기하네..딱 중국어 할때는 안들리다가 만주어로 돌아오면 들릴랑 말랑..
딴건몰라도 가르칠게는 진짜 신기하네 찾아보니깐 tachibumbi 라고 말하는듯 확실히 이 용어는 만주어든 한국어든 어느쪽에서 차용된게 확실한듯
The writing is like Mongolian, yet the pronunciation is like Korean.
I can actually understand a bit since 2:11 when she talks about Japanese and building houses, it seems like there are quite a few loanwords from Mandarin
In that section and several others they switch to Mandarin altogether
because that part is in Mandarin
She uses Mandarin too
2:09 interesting that "aah!" seems to mean the same as in English
Huh
Sounds like my grandma when i explaining of her new phone. lol... I'm korean
A lot of Mandarin in this video.
Sound like korean or japanese
Korean
The reason manchu not survive is because the Manchus didn't force all the Chinese to learn Manchu. There were more Han mandarin speaker than Manchu speakers. Only the higher officials speaker manchus.
The Manchus cannot force their language on the Han Chinese. Total Manchu population in 1644 when they entered China is estimated between 500,000 to 1 million strong. Many Manchus are actually Han Chinese that settled in Manchuria centuries prior and embraced Manchu cultural identity when Nurhachi became Later Jin Emperor. At that time, they are still known as Jurchen. It is Huang Taiji renamed the Jurchen people as Manchus. Only aspects of Manchu culture imposed are hairstyle and clothing. Under Qing policy, all official documents are recorded in 2 written languages: Manchu and Han Chinese. Higher ranking Han Chinese officials are required to learn Manchu language in order to reevaluate documents in Manchu language.
Even the last emperors were not fluent in Manchu
@@MrLanteanPopulation aside, I think the bigger aspect was people's attitudes towards their native language.
Vietnamese, for example, much smaller in population and weaker in military power than Han Chinese, after roughly 1000 year under Chinese rules, some cultural aspects were influenced such as converting from matrilineal to patriarchal, picking up some Confucius philosophy...however, the language has been staying almost the same; even though under Han Chinese rules, Vietnamese was banned, books were burned. There is a group of Vietnamese who were left behind and became an ethnic minority in modern China - had no contact with the larger Vietnamese nation for hundreds years. Surprisingly, they still speak understandable Vietnamese, know how to sing Vietnamese folk songs and quote poems/verses. Some words they used are no longer used in modern Vietnamese, but averagely, the accent and tones are almost the same.
That is only a group of a couple thousands people with absolutely no (or negative) political power.
If Manchu peoples/rulers actually cared about preserving their culture and language, it should have been disappearing that fast.
Hair style, clothing could be imposed, why not language?
English, French, Spanish spred on their colonies.
When I read about Genghis Khan and the Mongolian empire, I also see that they were liberal in term of religions, ideologies and languages. Maybe, the Manchurians shared similar mindset.
@@4rg3sin the case of the spanish, the spanish empire didn’t actually impose the spanish language throughout the viceroyalty period. Peru for example before the secession wars was 60% quechua speaking. A lot of the assimilation into spanish language in spanish america happened as a result of the caudillos who fought the wars to separate from spain, it was a criollo project (criollos are spaniards born in the americas/ have very strong spanish influence). That’s why in other places like the philippines they don’t speak spanish, the spaniards never imposed the language and to boot it off the filipinization process for the country also got rid of the few criollos there since the US took hold and the criollos did not unlike in the americas.
Sounds like Korean. That's because the people of Goguryeo and Balhae are also manchu's ancestors.
Manchu came from siberia. They are definetely not from goguryeo.
舌头不硬这个点真的特别有意思，很多少数民族的人都说汉族学他们的语言的时候舌头是硬的，那么汉语在他们听来是很硬的语言吗？为什么作为汉族人反而觉得少数民族的语言听上去很硬（或者说北硬南软）？
汉语每个字都只有一个音节并且单词都是一个字一个字组成的，而很多外语词汇都是多音节的，所以汉语听起来硬 就跟刚学英语的老北京念英文单词习惯性的按照汉语一个字一个字的节奏念一样
@@Amai-Kurvi-Tasch是这么个“硬”啊，那跟日本人差不多了😂
Caught some Mongol words when she spoke.
Nice, the culture should be preserved
Sounds very similar to Korean! I am very surprised!!!
There's no other language to my knowledge that sounds more similar to Korean. Even native Koreans confuse this language for Korean at times. Specifically, it sounds alike a N Korean dialect. I'm not sure why some people are offended at this. Linguists agree that Altaic was at least a Sprachbund. According to a recent study, there were a couple of Tungusic languages phonologically similar to Korean, much more than Japanese is. Look up "Exploring correlations in genetic and cultural variation across language families in northeast Asia"
Btw, I never met a Korean who wanted to take Manchu or Siberian land. Most Koreans don't even know what Manchurian is, or that it's a distinct ethnic group from Han Chinese.
Just for the record, Han Chinese and Manchu are ethnically indistinguishable. If you are talking about culture and life-style, you are correct.
@@marioplayer1410 That's because the Manchus mixed with the Han Chinese, their ancestors are distinguishable from the Hans. A lot of Manchus don't even have any Jurchen Ancestry.
@@shindavid6484 lmao that's like saying Koreans and Chinese are distinguishable. Maybe by hairstyles and clothes, but if there were 100 Chinese and 100 Koreans butt naked next to you most likely cannot tell for sure who's what.
@@ponuni ? Koreans and Chinese (which is a massive group of very different looking people btw) look very different...
@@ponuniWhat?? 😭 As a Korean, I can very easily tell apart Chinese and Korean people just by looking in their eyes. Even the facial structures are markedly different. Of course there are a few people here and there who are ambiguous in appearance, but the vast majority of people are very easy to identify. I guess it's a power that only us East Asians have 🤷♂️
It is hard to understand for mongolian speakers, however when it is written or listen carefully, it does intelligable (understandable). It has been said that it differs from its original Tungustic language (Siberian), due to its drifting towards Chinese accents (pronuncations).
She switched to mandarin from time to time.
I am a Mongolia today' Mongolian national day to off Manchu colon Today is the day I got out of the Manchurian oppression, I am a Mongolian woman
Truly amazing of the Manchu' Own writing and spoken unique. Sure, very advance people and her rule in China had such an impact in costumes and culture. No wonder now I understand why Northeast China are very proud of their customs and culture. Even today generation still feel this way. They prefer spouse from the same region. I had a friend there. Like her direct expression of real opinion and at times seems blunt. But then it is their culture.
abka manju karmame aisirao ！
ᠠᠪᡴᠠ ᠮᠠᠨᠵᡠ ᡴᠠᡵᠮᠠᠮᡝ ᠠᡳᠰᡳᡵᠠᠣ !
天佑滿洲！
Just fell into a rabbit hole abt this after seeing a Manchu script for xi jinpings name on Wikipedia. Crazy how a language spoken by a whole ass dynasty for years could be wiped out so quickly. And it sounds nothing like mandarin wow.
Mançour, ce sont originaire grand familles Tourque Touranienne. de la familles Tourque Touranienne, ce sont amozonienne, nomade, et montagnard. vòila de la famiiles Tourque Touranienne, Tatares ou Catay, Karay, Tan, Han, Khan, Wuang, Katan ou Catan (Yucatan) etc, Scyhtes ou Saca, Saga, Saha, Scandin, Scout, Çoud etc, la Sibèrie, Kamkaçya, Sarmates, Mongol, Mançour, Tounguz, Tangout, Ainu, Guril, Kore, Nepal, Tibet, Bhutan, Kaha, Ougro Finnios, lapon, Esquimos, Gets, Thrace, Cimmèrienne, Caucase ou Ibèrique, Basque, Bèrberes, Kabyle, Indus Valles Assam, Aborigines, Gange, Dravidienne, ou Tamil, Bengal, Urdu, Souryas ou Tourcoman, Turqistan, Kòktùrk, Huns, Hiong Nou, Tomhu, Yanhu, Çenyu, Khazar, Avar, Alans, Celtique, Sikkim, Sindh, Radjou, Maharadja, Tsiganes ou Roman, Birma, Siam, Annamit, laos, Mekong, Joung, Khmer, Males, Polonesienne, Austronesienne, Amèrindienne, Maori, Azteque, Inca, Tupis et Carip etc. de la familles Tourque Touranienne, ce sont parentè et mix population. Merci Beaucoup. Bon Continuation.
I find it odd that Chinese commenters here get enraged when people mention how similar Manchu sounds to Korean. There are even a few people who pretend to be Korean and say it doesn't sound similar? It's pathetic. Linguistics studies prove that Korean and Manchu have phonetic and grammatical similarities. This is not surprising as they were geographically literally right next each other.
Sounds like Korean, Mongolian ?
Nah
Not at all.
@@haruzanfuuchamy first impression is also Korean.
I don't know Mongolian but watch several Korean movies. With my ignorance about these languages, I would guess she was speaking Korean.
Interesting! Sounds like some korean grandma in rural area speaking with strong accents similar to mongolian and chinese. I would say the phonetics seem to be similar to mongolian and the cadence seem to be similar to korean language.
when did manchurian language decline
probably mid 1800s or so
@@plveuk813 howcome there were no movements to revive it
@charles-bl5ip minorities were sinicized but Manchus didn't have any autonomy unlike Uighurs and Tibetans
@@plveuk813 but after the puppet state of manchuria wouldn't there be a popular use of the manchu language in the army or institutions that would carry on to the next generation
@@apoiujdba0-9u Because Han Chinese were mad at Manchus during the fall of the qing many abandoned their Manchu identity to evade the wrath of the Han
It sounds korean from a distance.... wow..
They are speaking it with a heavy Chinese accent
A lot of regional "dialects" in southern China are also going extinct so the Manchu language isn't the only one. Parents in southern China see no use of regional dialects and would rather their kids focus on Chinese Mandarin instead. It's sad that overseas Chinese speak better regional dialects today than the Chinese in China which is unfortunate.
I can almost hear a little Korean.
Yes, sounds more like Korean than Japanese in cadence
Tungusic peoples
This conversation contains Beijing Mandarin and Manchu language.
Im Korean. And the accent and sounds are very similar to Korean 🤣. I was accidentally try to understand it. This is very surprising omg. Didn't expect it
Cannot understand what they saying but i think Manchu language is the closest foreign language to Korean language. I meant the accent and sounds are very similar. Now, I can understand how sounds like when foreigners listen to Korean language.
I’m just a dumb Jewish dude but it sounds very like Korean to my stupid ears. No disrespect.
Qing dynasty had missed the opportunity to preserve their language by forcing Hans Chinese using it. Now its game over for the Manchurian
The Qing Dynasty will face a full-blown rebellion from the Han Chinese if it tries to impose Manchu language on them. Historians had estimated that the total population of Manchu population in 1644 was between 500,00 to 1 million strong in contrast with the estimated 100 million Han Chinese population. Throughout the history of China, Non Chinese peoples had been assimilated into Han Chinese population. For pragmatic purpose, the Manchus never imposed other aspects of their culture on the Han Chinese except hairstyle and clothing. To preserve their native language, the Manchus has official documents be written in Manchu language while having copies written in Chinese characters. Also Han Chinese officials are required to learn Manchu language in order to review documents written in Manchu language.
I think Cantonese also will be the same cause most of kids in Guangdong don’t speak in their own language.Even my bf son can’t speak in Cantonese even though her parents speak in Cantonese.I feel like they failed to him .HOngkong people still speak in Cantonese even new generations but Guangdong and Guangzhou people failed to teach new generations to speak their native languages.
Definigely sounds like Gyungsang province and northern korean peninsula accent in korea.
Back then, it was literally the language of the administration
similar to Korean
Even this has tons of mandarin
reminds me of Mongolian
I am a Han Chinese with Manchurian ancestry, and my best friend is a pure Manchurian. This is a forgotten ethnic group, with language disappearing and appearance slightly different from Han Chinese, making it difficult to distinguish. My friend has long forgotten the history of Jurchen conquering China. The Manchus are the strongest Jurchen, and Jurchen is unstoppable in battle. However, the incompetence of the late Qing Empire led to China being brutally bullied by European countries, Manchus have also been guilty of China
There is no pure Manchu ancestry. Manchu is a cultural identity. You are genetically indistinguishable from Northeastern Chinese even genetic tests going back 4 ancestors of pure Manchu blood shows that you are just Han.
"Appearance slightly different from Han Chinese" - Yeah, because not every Chinese has Fujian ancestry or Miao. You are Northeastern Chinese.
@@marioplayer1410 There are certain populations of Manchus that still show partial Jurchen Ancestry, although they are a minority.
@@shindavid6484 Manchu as an identity was already a group that had many Han tribes. They were mainly Han.
@@marioplayer1410 You can't deny that some Manchus still have Jurchen ancestry, and the Manchu identity was mainly based off of the Jurchen Identity. Having Han tribes that joined does not change that fact.
@@shindavid6484 A lot of people do not consider Yayoi to be Japanese, but they are arguably Japanese because they brought over the Japonic languages and have a genetic makeup similar to modern Japanese. The idea of Manchu is very political. There were too many tribes under Manchu to just consider it a pure Jurchen tribe.
Qing Empire language
l imagine that manchuria survived as People's Republic of Manchuria, and saves speaking manchurian.............
🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺🇳🇺
During manchukuo they all speak chinese. Even during late qing most dont even understand manchu script.
In what basis do you thhink that the people republic of manchuria can do? At most it would be a soviet vassal like PROM.
abka manju karmame aisirao ！天佑滿洲！
Sounds to me like Korean mixed with Mandarin
Some of what they speak is Mandarin.
The guys sound Mandarin/Chinese accented. But the lady sounds Korean or Mongolian when she speaks Manchu.
Sounds like Korean
I think the younger guys on the left are Sibo people, their ancestors left manchuria in the middle of 1700s to guard against the western frontiers of the qing dynasty. They number some 100,000 strong today, mostly converse in manchu / sibo in their daily lives. The guy closet to the camera speaks mandarin with a slight accent, the manchu language is being kept alive by the sibo people. I used to think manchu is an extinct language, but in actual fact, it is very much alive and thriving, just under a different name.
The Sibo or Xibe people is also a Tungusic speaking people like the Manchus. Their language is mutual intelligible with Manchu language. Some linguists regard the Sibo language is said to be a dialect of Manchu language while others regard it as a sister language to Manchu. Most likely that both languages are descended from a common root language rather than one being a dialect of another. The Sibo originate from Manchuria but due to a failed revolt by the Qiqihar Sibo in 1764, Qing Emperor Qianlong had them relocated to the Ili River, Xinjiang to maintain a local garrison as well as a punishment for the failed revolt. In Xinjiang, the Sibo maintain much of their culture which include their spoken language through it has gone through morphophonological changes and the adoption of loanwords from languages spoken in Xinjiang like Uyghur, Mandarin Chinese, Russian and other. The Sibo remained in Manchuria underwent further Sinification and the descendants speak primarily Mandarin Chinese.
满族，却一句满语都不会。这甚至是我第一次听到满语。
真正的血统意义上的满族有, 但不多, 微基因做了吗?
Chévere.
👍👍
Sounds like if I were to zone out in a Korean conversation
I'm Chinese, and Manchu is all Greek to me.
Turks, Mongols, Manchu (Jurchens), Koreans are all Ural-Altaic language.
Abandoned theory.
Sounds like korean....or Mongolian:)
also an bit turkic
Once I heard that Manchu is the mother language of all Turkic languages. I am definetely hearing some similar accents and pronunciation but of course I understand nothing. I only know that "yakshi" means "good" in their language too
Mother language of all turkic?? Hayatım üfledin mi?
@@rustcohle9134 hayir, cidden diyorum. Hiposesler var ama kesin değilmiş.
@@ebrusongultopkan3491 kaynak verebilir misin. Rusça, ingilizce, moğolca, türkçe okuyup anlayabiliyorum bu dillerde olursa kıvanç duyarım :)
@@rustcohle9134 almanca kaynaktan okumustum. Bulunca veririrm
_Yakshi_ reminds me of the Japanese word _yoshi,_ which also means "good".
Спасибо очень интересно!
A grave and unfortunate reminder to all Mongols and other non-Chinese peoples that this is what happens through sinicization.
I don't think blaming chinese language will revival Manchu. We could state the same for celtic people or aboriginal americans through anglification
@@tonialbert333 I note that Irish and Indigenous language revival programs have been in place for some decades, or centuries in the case of Welsh. Manchu and Tibetan were targeted for elimination.
@@Kitsaplorax Also native americans were drove to elimination, and speaking irish in the past was also considered to be low level like farming so what is the difference?
@@Kitsaplorax Same for the languages of France that are willingly getting "killed", and the survivors have veen extremely francicized.
This is what the Manchurians themselves have chosen, not something that we Han Chinese forced upon them.
wow, seems china is built on grave of lots of native language and culture
For those saying it sounds like Korean, interestingly there were 2 Manchu invasions of Korea in the 17th century.
language contacts between Koreanic and Jurchen started centuries before those invasions
It is very much its own thing. There's enough poetry to establish rhyme.
Korean and Manchu people were next to each other for thousands of years, before those invasions
In the 17th century, the Manchu population was only 500000... while the Kingdom of Korea had 13 million people
Goguryeo and especially Balhae directly influenced the Manchu language for centuries. Balhae was comprised of mostly Mohe people (ancestors of Manchu) but with a Goguryeo ruling class.
진짜 한국어랑 비슷하네..
true.same old life style.
Korean is definitely related to Manchurian
No it isn't. Manchu is Tungusic and related to languages like Ulchi or Evenki. Nothing to do with Korean, you stupid Altaicist.
@@haruzanfuucha I don’t even believe in the Altaic language family but it’s famously known that Koreans and Manchurians are the closest ethnic group and languages to each other which makes sense looking at their geographical proximity to one another
@@ganggang2537 They are not. Koreans are closer related to Japanese. Manchus are closer related to northern Han Chinese and Inner Mongols.
@@haruzanfuucha are you joking? The history of Korea, Manchuria, northern China, and Mongolia are all intertwined with one another with all those groups having a very tight genetic and phenotypical affinity. Japanese and Koreans have nothing to do with each other apart from being both East Asians. Japanese also have a heavy south East Asian and jomon component not found in Korean ancestry. Plus most modern linguist categorize the japanese language closer to austronesian and austro-asiatic aside from being an isolate. I would group Koreans, Tungus, inner Mongolians, siberians and northern Chinese closely together in a north Asian genetic group while Japanese, ryukyuans, Ainu, southern Chinese and Taiwanese would be in amother group as they have mixed genetics from both north east and south East Asians
@@ganggang2537 Are YOU joking? No other mainland Asian ethnic group comes even close to being related to the Japanese as Koreans are. Both Japanese and Koreans primarily descend from the Neolithic West Liao River populations. The Japanese do not have a "heavy south East Asian" component, they're actually more genetically "northern-shifted" than Koreans are. What makes the Japanese genetically "unusual" is their large proportion of Jomon ancestry compared to other East Asians (except Ryukyuans who have even more).
Koreans do have a very minor level of Jomon-related ancestry, bodies unearthed from the Gaya confederacy actually had individuals possessing more Jomon-related ancestry than even modern Japanese. It is generally accepted that the Japonic languages were spoken on the Korean peninsula before they moved to the Japanese archipelago. Japonic is therefore likely a Jomon-derived language.
The Japonic languages may have some similarities to the Austronesian or Austroasiatic languages but no linguist actually classifies Japonic into either of them. Vovin has also stated that the similarities between such languages likely arose from contact rather than the features being genetic.
"North Asians" are people from Siberia possessing Paleosiberian ancestries, not north Chinese or Koreans. All East Asians have Yellow River ancestry - a group which was already an admixture of ancient southern East Asian (Yangtze River related) and Northeast Asian (Amur River related) ancestries. East Asians are essentially a mix of NEA-like and SEA-like people.
damn i can hear the korean in it.
sounds quite different from koeran and japanese.
정말 함경도 사투리, 억양이 있는 듯.
manj bsnaas manjin bsn n deer
turk hunii ug bnada
kazakhruga zail mal min
I am Korean and this sounds nothing like Korean or has anything to do with Korean. I don’t understand why narcissistic Koreans have to claim everything they see and make absurd, crazy connections to everything and get all conspiratorial like it relates to politics or nationality? This clearly is like a brother language that evolved in parallel with eastern varieties of Mongolian especially Khorchin Mongolian, the vocabulary and pronounciation and ways of talking are almost identical except some endings. Neither I believe it is related to Mandarin at all contrary to beliefs, Mandarin developed far earlier than the Qing dynasty was founded. Manchurian and Mongolian are their own independent languages and culture that have nothing to do with Chinese or Koreans
Why cannot people be happy with who they are and mind their own business these days?
Although I'm not very familiar with any of the languages in question, it did sound to me more like the Mongolian I've heard than Korean.
It barely sounds korean, idk why the comments are trying to imply some connection when it sounds totally different
That's to be expected unfortunately. Loony nationalists or 'romanticists' from Korea or China trying to establish some form of connection where there is none. Besides, the science is out there. Southern Tungusic and Korean have absolutely no connection in base vocabulary and shockingly little to no loanwords.
I don't know about the Khorchin variety of Mongolian, but I'll take your word for it. The family of dialects can sound pretty different.
A lot of my ancestry comes from small villages in the northern parts of Korea, so I know and looked into this issue for a long time. And from what I can gather these Jurchens and Manchus look to come from areas closer to Mongols where there were a lot of flat plains and rivers. While many Koreans especially in the north resided in the mountains and coast stretching all the way into modern Russia and kept their ways and mentality for centuries. Even if we do not know the extent of what Southern Tungusic languages and varieties were, it seems like the Manchu and Jurchen people were actually many degrees apart from those people who actually made up areas in Korean peninsula and adjacent to Korea, even if some academics and scholars classify Balhae as Southern Tungusic. Whatever native component there was always stronger and fundamentally different from Manchus and their ancestors
눈 감고 들으면 전라도 할머니가 말하는 거같은데 ㅋㅋ
남원에 있는 시골 가면 있는 할머니 사투리 많이 쓸때 말투가 저럼
中国語と韓国語が混ざったような感じに聞こえる。。
Manchu and Japanese have the same vocabulary
abka manju karmame aisirao ！
ᠠᠪᡴᠠ ᠮᠠᠨᠵᡠ ᡴᠠᡵᠮᠠᠮᡝ ᠠᡳᠰᡳᡵᠠᠣ !
天 佑 滿 洲 ！
比起喊口号，做实事才是硬道理
@@MiiCii0410 Niyalma ini beyei mafari gurun be gemu hairarakv oci kemuni imbe niyalma seci ombio?
@@fiyangga.yanggiri-hala ojorakv.
ereci tulgiyen, manjurarade untuhun gisun be meiteci ojorakv. giyan -i "abka manju be karmame aisilarao" seci acambi. "aisilambi" serengge emke axxasun, "aisilarao" oci ini baire durun.
@@MiiCii0410 si manju niyalma waka.
동남아시아 언어인데?
아니, 네 이웃이야
No, it’s East Asian language (also can be considered as North Asian)
Sounds like a mixture of all the Altaic languages. Korean, Mongolian, Turkic in one
Altaic doesn't exist, it has been disproven by historians and linguists. The only people who push this are Turkish and Azeri ultranationalists who still believe in the Turanic myth. :)
No such thing as an Altaic language
@@broodjeal-cohol5033 never said there was. Manchu sounds like the languages that were proposed in the family
@@ganggang2537 The family doesn't exist
@@broodjeal-cohol5033 yes, one can still refer to those languages as the languages proposed to be in the altaic family, even if everyone knows the family doesn't exist.
This sounds very reminiscent of Korean, but not at all intelligible
royaume-uni