NEVER EDIT WHEN: •Tired •Frustrated •Sick •At war with a headache •Drunk •On a date •When a film riot episode drops (simply pause and watch the video, then continue) Did I miss any?
Your videos teach a whole generation of filmmakers who don’t necessarily have the possibility to go to a filmschool but still want to make videos. The world already has so much more better movies, thanks to you! :D Keep it up.
@@totallybored5526 I don't necessarily agree in the sense that there hasn't been a good film in the past couple of decades. There have been good films, but non of them really made me go "wow".
Love how you put it all out there and aren't afraid to point out when you missed the mark in one of your short films. It's very impactful for those watching and super helpful. Bravo!
Thats what i am trying ti tell my anime weeb friend. She goes straight for anime characters and it looks so wack. The chins is too high the neck is too long the head is tio small the shading is bad the stylization looks off the eyes are too big the head orientation looks like he got kicked by a cat and fell into a river and a boat ran over the neck and it just looks, b a d
@@dyfx9788 leave her be, let her hone her own skills. We all have to start somewhere. When i was starting out for years i was drawing horrendously bad anime and powerpuff girls. But now i can draw pretty damn well, different styles different characters all of it. Let her develop her skills in her own time in her own way without judgement (or going on the internet to diss her art and call her a weeb). I had friends like you back then, im not in contact with them anymore. Exactly for the reason that they were always pushing me or judging me, silently or verbally. And it didnt help me get better, it just hurt my feelings. Their job was to be my friend, not my art teacher. She may not even be drawing to imrpove her skills, you dont have to be good at something to enjoy doing it. Focus on being kind to her, not trying to guide her skills 💕
@@robynwilson9227 well i would agree but the problen is she always seeks advice and feedback. And wheb she does we all give feedback but she gets offended when we give feedback. So we have just resorted to saying "thats great" and by we i mean the entire class
A great example of using the kuleshov effect against the audience for tension is in silence of the lambs when cutting between the officers outside a house and cutting to inside of Buffalo bills house. The reveal that it’s clarice is something I wish I could see for the first time again. So good.
I just imagined what a meeting with Alfred Hitchcock could feel like, he could teach you in a entire day more about movies than in your entire career!!
Most important advice really is " Write. Shoot. Edit. Repeat. ", because at some point all those tips and theories become second nature to you and you don't think of them. But when reviewing your work, you notice you're including them or at least thinking about them in some way. You don't think " I'll do the 180 rule here becase this and that ", you think " I'll put the camera here because that's where it should go. That's where it feels like it should be. "
I like Hitchcock's story of the bomb under the table. By showing the bomb, any shock when the bomb goes off is gone, but there's a hell of a lot of suspense leading up to the bomb going off.
There is a great episode from "Every Frame A Painting" (sadly their channel is discontinued) but the episode "How does an editor feel" is so good. Sometimes not making a cut is a good thing. Loved this Riot episode!
I actually like the cut you used for There Comes a Knocking. My eye traces to the other side of the screen for a tiny moment of realization. It makes the moment feel like I found the visual info in contrast to having it handed to me.
Ryan, thank you, thank you, thank you for talking about your mistakes when on your own filmmaking journey. I love your honesty and authenticity, cheers!
regarding your "mistake" - I would argue that it's beneficial in a way. In my opinion, its scarier to first see something in the corner of your eye rather than have it pop in front of you.
Yeah I agree to this. I guess it just comes to preference of what was the intention. I do believe that in horror watching the scary thing in the corner of the view of attention works often. Though of course sometimes confronting suddenly an unexpected image can be scary even if it isn’t (we all have been had that kind of scare by someone walking in front of us all of the sudden).
It's more like living your life easier than digging the ground looking for gold and silver . I love editing guys and shout out to Rayn and everyone out there.
I really love film riot but one thing I would really love to hear about that many people don’t teach is how to actually find financing for a film. It is such a private topic that I wish would be explored, especially by the lovely film riot!
They dive into this quite a bit with a few different people. Check out the podcast and you’ll find some really helpful information about getting films off the ground. There’s always a different pathway and there’s for sure not one specific way to get your movie financed, but they’ve had plenty of new directors talking about how they got their films made.
@@nightmarefilmcrew well I completely understand but I would like a deep dive into it. Like going through a screenplay and figuring out numbers to even make a budget. Then how do you present that to a potential investor. What resources are out there to assist in this? I understand that it is not a one way thing but I know very little in this very important topic
This is where the film is really made! Often, what comes out of the editing room can be different than what what was first envisioned. In editing, you get to see what really does and does not work.
This was a great video! Thanks for democratizing filmmaking education -- I don't know if I'd be a filmmaker today if I hadn't grown up watching your videos Ryan. To you, Josh, Emily -- the whole gang -- thank you!
I feel anger cause the video finished! Thank you so much, man. You’re a school, a good one! Currently preparing to shoot a short film, so this comes from heaven! 🙏
About the contest, it just hit my mind that artgrid and artlist is maybe holding the contest to get a look at workflow breakdowns and editing outputs of different editors because maybe they are working on an artificial intelligence and they need data input variance to feed this new beast
10:00 I’m not sure about what it is better. I think some times you want the audience searching for the next focus point, so they are part of the action instead of “lazy viewers”. In horror you sometimes want for sure the audience to watch something but maybe you want that they “almost miss it”/“what was that”/“wait, there is something in the other side of the screen”.
If the intent is to have your audience search the screen, then yes. But that's the idea behind it all, doing these things (or not) for purposeful, instead of accidental, end results. With Fury Road, it's not a lazy viewer thing, I don't think it ever is... But in that case specifically - the rate at which he wanted to cut required facilitating the audience to absorb information quickly. It's just a matter of understanding how the brain works and utilizing that to tell your story. The goal is to use craft to tell your story with intention.
@@filmriot yeah I think it makes sense in Fury road but I think breaking a rule of keeping the focus in one place pays off, though it has be done carefully. It’s a good scene but in other action sequences you can make travel where the focus point is, it is just has to be done within the shot and keep it during the cut, no jumps between cuts so people can follow focus even it if it moves from one place in the screen to the other… I feel that way can make the audience feel part of the action while not losing their view. I’m pro it being a little less passive.
@@filmriot a very interesting IMO use for keeping the focus in one spot during one sequence I imagine is to hide something else happenings that will be revealed later but we want to give audience a chance to maybe figure it out sooner.
I got the email for the contest yesterday. I expect to not win but I'm definitely going to enter for the experience and I have an idea in marinating. I am really addicted to the feeling when the edit just... works.
I haven't seen your short yet, so there's no context in terms of story, rythm or sound when you showed that last shot of the ghost. But from what I saw, I think it's actually scarier if the audience doesn't immediately see the ghost. I think it's creepier if you get that half a second of "Oh shit, I didn't see that!", so I like the way you shot and edited that scare. That being said, I haven't seen the movie so the only context I have is the clip you showed here.
Yes but David Lean said that if you want to shock an audience, get them almost to the point of boredom before you do. Hence Omar Sharif’s arrival at the well.
Couldn't be a coincidence that i was skimming thru their sites for hours looking for a concept and got a terrible headachce because i was at war of what should take the lead...Good music then ideas after or initial ideas and looking for the music to match....Currently trying to finish a job, try out for a sidemen editing contest to seeif i can win twice in a row and also attempt this artgridXartlist one and its driving me crazy😭😂
one of My favorite idioms: "you make a movie three times...the one you write, the one you shoot, and the one you edit."
I like that!
I forgot who I heard say this but it goes: “Production is the price you pay to get to the editing room”
NEVER EDIT WHEN:
•Tired
•Frustrated
•Sick
•At war with a headache
•Drunk
•On a date
•When a film riot episode drops (simply pause and watch the video, then continue)
Did I miss any?
Well then…when do I edit lol?
You’re gonna get me fired with those suggestions. 😆
@@NLENinjaEffects there’s actually quite the amount missing from this list, it can’t be that tight of a squeeze.
you can break all rules except last one ;)
@@pavelstolypin honestly why have rules if they’d never be broken anyways 🤷♂️
Your videos teach a whole generation of filmmakers who don’t necessarily have the possibility to go to a filmschool but still want to make videos. The world already has so much more better movies, thanks to you! :D Keep it up.
This comment means a lot to us. Thank you so much!
There hasn’t been a good film in a couple of decades
@@totallybored5526 I don't necessarily agree in the sense that there hasn't been a good film in the past couple of decades.
There have been good films, but non of them really made me go "wow".
Love how you put it all out there and aren't afraid to point out when you missed the mark in one of your short films. It's very impactful for those watching and super helpful. Bravo!
Agreed! Love the transparency and willingness of Ryan to critique his own work and share the lessons he's learned throughout his journey.
Great video guys ! Editing is so crazy important, I love knowing how I’ll be editing the shot while I’m shooting the shot.
Boss, your videos too are dope
Love you guys.
This is Sidney, I love shooting the shot as I'm thinking of the editing style 😂
Yaaayyy cinecom!!!
You cannot break the rules in a meaningful, artistic way until you know the rules.
Amen. If you do it on accident, then it’s just an … accident lol
Thats what i am trying ti tell my anime weeb friend. She goes straight for anime characters and it looks so wack. The chins is too high the neck is too long the head is tio small the shading is bad the stylization looks off the eyes are too big the head orientation looks like he got kicked by a cat and fell into a river and a boat ran over the neck and it just looks, b a d
@@dyfx9788 leave her be, let her hone her own skills. We all have to start somewhere. When i was starting out for years i was drawing horrendously bad anime and powerpuff girls. But now i can draw pretty damn well, different styles different characters all of it. Let her develop her skills in her own time in her own way without judgement (or going on the internet to diss her art and call her a weeb). I had friends like you back then, im not in contact with them anymore. Exactly for the reason that they were always pushing me or judging me, silently or verbally. And it didnt help me get better, it just hurt my feelings. Their job was to be my friend, not my art teacher. She may not even be drawing to imrpove her skills, you dont have to be good at something to enjoy doing it. Focus on being kind to her, not trying to guide her skills 💕
@@robynwilson9227 well i would agree but the problen is she always seeks advice and feedback. And wheb she does we all give feedback but she gets offended when we give feedback. So we have just resorted to saying "thats great" and by we i mean the entire class
Whats the point of seeking advice when at the end you are jist going to ignore it
Also ps
She also calls herself a weeb so its no biggie
A great example of using the kuleshov effect against the audience for tension is in silence of the lambs when cutting between the officers outside a house and cutting to inside of Buffalo bills house. The reveal that it’s clarice is something I wish I could see for the first time again. So good.
That's a great one.
I am binge watching your channel right now. this is undoubtable the best source on TH-cam right now. Magnificent.
Always happy to see conversations around the editing artform. Cheers, Ryan!
I just imagined what a meeting with Alfred Hitchcock could feel like, he could teach you in a entire day more about movies than in your entire career!!
Most important advice really is " Write. Shoot. Edit. Repeat. ", because at some point all those tips and theories become second nature to you and you don't think of them. But when reviewing your work, you notice you're including them or at least thinking about them in some way. You don't think " I'll do the 180 rule here becase this and that ", you think " I'll put the camera here because that's where it should go. That's where it feels like it should be. "
I like Hitchcock's story of the bomb under the table. By showing the bomb, any shock when the bomb goes off is gone, but there's a hell of a lot of suspense leading up to the bomb going off.
There is a great episode from "Every Frame A Painting" (sadly their channel is discontinued) but the episode "How does an editor feel" is so good. Sometimes not making a cut is a good thing. Loved this Riot episode!
Thank you so much man for recommending that channel
th-cam.com/video/3Q3eITC01Fg/w-d-xo.html looks interesting
Using that example of where your eyes are and your short film was really good.
Great to see Hitchcok and the theories of other editors.
Editing is truly an art form. Really great video, with some super important tips for anyone who joins the #AGeditchallenge 💛
So excited for this!! Love your videos :)
I actually like the cut you used for There Comes a Knocking. My eye traces to the other side of the screen for a tiny moment of realization. It makes the moment feel like I found the visual info in contrast to having it handed to me.
I was going to make the same comment
Amazing that this content is free. Fantastic. Been a fan since Rev3. 👍
Ryan, thank you, thank you, thank you for talking about your mistakes when on your own filmmaking journey. I love your honesty and authenticity, cheers!
Fantastic video! I honestly can't get enough of different editing perspectives like this. Great content.
Excellent video as it puts it into perspective and lining up all the pieces of the film into superb compositions and dynamics that make it your own.
I fucking love the videos you guys produce. I always learn so much!
Thanks man!
Always premium content from your crew. Greatly appreciate all of the hard work. Salud.
THANK YOU for putting this video together. Clear, concise, informative, great context too. Instant follow!
regarding your "mistake" - I would argue that it's beneficial in a way. In my opinion, its scarier to first see something in the corner of your eye rather than have it pop in front of you.
Yeah I agree to this. I guess it just comes to preference of what was the intention. I do believe that in horror watching the scary thing in the corner of the view of attention works often. Though of course sometimes confronting suddenly an unexpected image can be scary even if it isn’t (we all have been had that kind of scare by someone walking in front of us all of the sudden).
Oh man, that's pure gold... Thanks Ryan!
It's more like living your life easier than digging the ground looking for gold and silver . I love editing guys and shout out to Rayn and everyone out there.
I always learn everything from you sir ryan. From the philippines, its so useful as a filmmaker student❤️
I've never been so aware of each syllable in the word "Editing" before.
I really love film riot but one thing I would really love to hear about that many people don’t teach is how to actually find financing for a film. It is such a private topic that I wish would be explored, especially by the lovely film riot!
They dive into this quite a bit with a few different people. Check out the podcast and you’ll find some really helpful information about getting films off the ground. There’s always a different pathway and there’s for sure not one specific way to get your movie financed, but they’ve had plenty of new directors talking about how they got their films made.
@@nightmarefilmcrew well I completely understand but I would like a deep dive into it. Like going through a screenplay and figuring out numbers to even make a budget. Then how do you present that to a potential investor. What resources are out there to assist in this? I understand that it is not a one way thing but I know very little in this very important topic
This is where the film is really made! Often, what comes out of the editing room can be different than what what was first envisioned. In editing, you get to see what really does and does not work.
Yes. As an actor I never took it to heart if a scene got cut. It may not have been the performance at all.
I appreciate it that you use your own short film as an example to show the mistake that youve done
Thankyou this video was really great, loved to see examples alongside your explanations
This was a great video! Thanks for democratizing filmmaking education -- I don't know if I'd be a filmmaker today if I hadn't grown up watching your videos Ryan. To you, Josh, Emily -- the whole gang -- thank you!
I feel anger cause the video finished! Thank you so much, man. You’re a school, a good one! Currently preparing to shoot a short film, so this comes from heaven! 🙏
awesome content. these editing tips are gold
Thank you! It's nice to put terms to the things I'm learning.
About the contest, it just hit my mind that artgrid and artlist is maybe holding the contest to get a look at workflow breakdowns and editing outputs of different editors because maybe they are working on an artificial intelligence and they need data input variance to feed this new beast
this is becoming so real rn
I love you Ryan, I literally make a living because of you!
Great job, super clean and direct information.
Another great video. I've learned a lot from you, Ryan. Thanks a lot man.
Thank You Ryan, this was some really useful tips within a 10 minutes video ❤
Amazing video! Thank you for putting together. Learned a lot.
Amazing, I’ve never thought about anything like this. I’m new to it. Now I’m gonna go watch a history of violence again and pay attention to the cuts.
MY goodness. This is GOLD! TY!!
10:00 I’m not sure about what it is better. I think some times you want the audience searching for the next focus point, so they are part of the action instead of “lazy viewers”. In horror you sometimes want for sure the audience to watch something but maybe you want that they “almost miss it”/“what was that”/“wait, there is something in the other side of the screen”.
If the intent is to have your audience search the screen, then yes. But that's the idea behind it all, doing these things (or not) for purposeful, instead of accidental, end results. With Fury Road, it's not a lazy viewer thing, I don't think it ever is... But in that case specifically - the rate at which he wanted to cut required facilitating the audience to absorb information quickly. It's just a matter of understanding how the brain works and utilizing that to tell your story. The goal is to use craft to tell your story with intention.
@@filmriot yeah I think it makes sense in Fury road but I think breaking a rule of keeping the focus in one place pays off, though it has be done carefully. It’s a good scene but in other action sequences you can make travel where the focus point is, it is just has to be done within the shot and keep it during the cut, no jumps between cuts so people can follow focus even it if it moves from one place in the screen to the other… I feel that way can make the audience feel part of the action while not losing their view. I’m pro it being a little less passive.
@@filmriot a very interesting IMO use for keeping the focus in one spot during one sequence I imagine is to hide something else happenings that will be revealed later but we want to give audience a chance to maybe figure it out sooner.
I got the email for the contest yesterday. I expect to not win but I'm definitely going to enter for the experience and I have an idea in marinating. I am really addicted to the feeling when the edit just... works.
Excellent resource. Just keep getting better and better 😜
Wow ... so much information this is gold
Thank you dude!
great content as always.
Thank you so much for the awesome content!
Very important stuff here. Thank you!
Thank you so much for this video😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️
This contest is exciting!
Thank you much learned from this video. Learned one of my cuts in a project is breaking the 180 rule. Thank you 😌
The job of a film director is to tell the story through the juxtaposition of uninflected images.
-David Mamet
Great video mate, learnt a tonne 👊
I love your t-shirt as much as I love that movie! 🙌🏻
One of my favorites channel can give easier informations that you might take years to learn it ❤
An editor edited this edit about editing
thanks, hope we will try it.
I like what you did with the title. ;-)
Great video, thanks!
Thanks for describing the contest
Ooh sweet, I might give that competition a go :)
I LOVE this! I have video editing job interview in few days, this should help me :)
this was so gooood!
Betcha Walter Murch's Rule of 6 is on this.
I haven't seen your short yet, so there's no context in terms of story, rythm or sound when you showed that last shot of the ghost. But from what I saw, I think it's actually scarier if the audience doesn't immediately see the ghost. I think it's creepier if you get that half a second of "Oh shit, I didn't see that!", so I like the way you shot and edited that scare. That being said, I haven't seen the movie so the only context I have is the clip you showed here.
Yes but David Lean said that if you want to shock an audience, get them almost to the point of boredom before you do. Hence Omar Sharif’s arrival at the well.
The best editor ever is that lady from "Hail, Caesar"
Wow, what a video! Amazing! :)
So very glad for the Hawking reference. And... wow, I so need to grab editing software, lol.
Just: YES!
You guys should try doing a short film with "Corridor Digital" would be cool to see a collab.
How can I start editing? I literally don’t know anything about it.
Couldn't be a coincidence that i was skimming thru their sites for hours looking for a concept and got a terrible headachce because i was at war of what should take the lead...Good music then ideas after or initial ideas and looking for the music to match....Currently trying to finish a job, try out for a sidemen editing contest to seeif i can win twice in a row and also attempt this artgridXartlist one and its driving me crazy😭😂
This was very helpful.
Thanks.
Great video, thank you !!!
Don't know how i missed this one but great video! I live in the DFW area, if ya'll ever need PAs please lemme know!
love it!
understood the editing today
I dont understand.. 10:07... how could you have the creature on the other side.. flip the screen yeah?
It's been a while!
Those film burns you use for transitions. Are they in Artgrid?.
Pretty informative.. thanks!
No SFX from the free trial of Artlist makes it difficult to make anything competitive when the rules say you can’t use material from anywhere else.
Greatly said!
There's a This Guy Edits video that discusses how the Kuleshov effect should really be attributed to the women editors of the time and not to him.
Music name in the begining of the and at 2:12? Please
I'd love to see you guys do a bit on 1980's slasher style practical gore fx
Watching this video on September 22nd is a massive bummer lol.
What movie is the clip from that's shown at 7:19?
Thanks so much 🎩👒🎞️
Thank youu very much....
Seth and Hashi loves Ryan and so do we the #ChillGang
Love this