Best camera for your pocket? Ricoh GR III, Sony RX100 VII, LUMIX LX100 II, Canon G5X II
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In this video I compare four of the top compact / pocketable cameras on the market, the Ricoh GR III, the Sony RX100 VII, the LUMIX LX100 II, and the Canon G5X II. I specifically am looking at them from the perspective of the family documentary photographer.
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Here's why I chose Ricoh GRIII over others for my pocket camera.
- APS-C sensor + F2.8 lens.
- True compactable form factor. This camera just fits right in the pocket and always ready to shoot.
- 3 axis IBIS. I can easily shoot 1/4 seconds handheld.
- The autofocus isn't that bad at all. It's quite quick, in fact. I just tap the screen where I want to focus and it always nails it.
- Snap focusing. I use this AF mode the most when I shoot on the street.
- Highlight Priority metering. This metering is God-sent for shooting street during bring and harsh daylight.
The only thing I wish it had is a tilting screen. Other than that, the GR III is a solid pocket camera under $1000
@@MPD90 Sadly I sold the GRIII after using for a yr for the reason you mentioned. While snap focusing works well while shooting street, other AF modes are just subpar especially in low light. I also found that the screen is really hard to see in bright daylight which is a bummer since that's when I'm out and about. I sold the GRIII and picked up Fuji XE4 with 27mm f2.8 and never looked back.
I can easily do 1/2 seconds one handed, a second is quite easy too if you try to hold it a bit stable with 2 hands and even 2 seconds is perfectly doable if you brace against something.... It's a beast!
Also the lens is so sharp, if you want to buy a lens this good for your mirrorless camera, you'll have to spend about 2x as much as this whole camera costs, it's a lot of money for sure, but it's cheap
Last but not least, you're a ricoh fanboy trying to justify your poorly built overpriced point and shoot
just one question about your GRIII, does the body get very hot after you turn on the camera for a short while? If you keep the camera on for too long, will it get too hot and autmotically shut off?
Hey, what about 4 years later now, i think about buying the ricoh or the lumix but what about the zoom you cant zoom really far, right? Or am i wrong?
I have an LX100 and it has an automatic lens cover that opens as you turn it on. It's a great little camera, mostly because everything is there without diving into menus.
I use the RX100 M6 and use the touch/drag focus feature all the time. Finding that feature changed my experience with the camera dramatically. It works really well on the M6 and I assume the M7 does it as well. The settings are in the Setup 3 menu - Touch Panel/Pad. Select Touch Panel + Pad. Under Touch Pad settings, you can select which part of the screen you want to use as the touch (and drag) pad. I use just the right portion and it feels very natural especially when using the elf.
I have this same camera. I really don’t think it takes good photos - any tips for improvements?
wow that's awesome! I own RX100 M6 for around 4 years and didn’t know about this option. Thanks man!
@@steelstunners1862have you taken the time to look at your images on a bigger screen?
Your camera doesn’t take the photo, you do. If you take a terrible picture, the camera takes a terrible picture.
Thanks for the graphic on the lens list comparison. I hate videos from other TH-cam stars that verbally dump specs and manual info. You did such a great job on this video comparing the cameras without drowning us with specs.
I second this. I would only add as a suggestion to keep the order of the cameras in the list the same.
Now THIS is how you do a comparison. Side by side, one feature at a time!!! Excellent video and extremely helpful. Thanks!
I agree !
The aspect ratio switch is one of the most used functions on my LX100! Definitely not a useless switch!
Ricoh GR III owner here. Very happy. Easy and quick to operate. Amazing colors and ultra sharp pictures. Best thing is how small it is. Small=you take it with you=best camera is the one you carry with you.
If only it had an EVF option, I'd be with you completely.
@@AndrewGoodCamera EVF is nice but I have accepted the trade off with its small size. And btw...how do you use your smartphone when taking pictures? ;-)
I don't use a smartphone for the same reason. That's the whole point of this video to try to find a pocketable substitute that feels more like a traditional camera. I get that plenty of people don't mind shooting with an LCD. But I really don't. Especially outside in the bright sun, which is where I'm shooting half the time where I live.
Just as a FYI, you can change the settings on the RX100 to turn on/off when you pop up or close the view finder.
A few months ago, I investigated the Canon, Ricoh, and Sony. I bought the Ricoh Griii. It is truly pocketable, as in shirt pocket as well as pants pocket. No viewfinder, pop-up flash, or zoom lens; no problem. I could use an articulating screen, but not for an additional $150+ in costs. The lens is razor sharp, and it's the ideal focal length for street and casual photography. The camera is well designed , though Im not a big fan of the manual focus setup. But the snap focus, Program, manual, and 3 custom user modes is great. The fact that it shoots in RAW format sealed the deal for me. I bought a Godox TT350 flash which I stick in a pocket (of my cargo pants) too if I need it. Now I really do have a camera with me all the time.
Check out the lightpix flashq for the ultimate pocketable set up!
I have the Leica-branded version of the first LX-100. Although I primarily reach for my X-Pro2, I still love the Panny/Leica, despite the lower resolution and mushiness when sometimes zooming while fully open. Some of my best shots have been taken with it.
You can control the Autofocus points with the Touchpad (LCD) on the RX100VII when you are using the EVF. You need to have Touch Panel/Pad set to: Touch Panel+Pad in the Setup (Briefcase) Menu page 3
Ah! Thank you for pointing that out. That helps me like that camera a bit more.
Hey I just wanted to let you know that you can use the evf “finder” button to turn on the rx100. So no need for two steps, just hit the finder switch and the evf will raise and turn the camera on. It can also turn the camera off when you close the evf
Wow very cool! Thanks
This also works the same on the mkV model as well... Good call on the short cut... I too use this 👍👍
Refreshing with a youtube review that does does not endorse any of the products! Not like all the sell outs out there. Thanks!
I'm a pocket camera fiend and own many. My current favourites are the Panasonic LX10, Ricoh GR, and Sony RX0. The last is the most hardy pocket camera, waterproof and crush proof, and has excellent image quality. It's not terribly ergonomic but theres a deep sense of security in how strong it is.
Have you used Olympus E-PL cameras? For example the E-PL7-10 with either pancake zoom, body cap lens, or small prime?
@@dedclownsRfunny No, I haven't used any of the E-PL cameras, but I have a Panasonic GM1, which is wonderfully enjoyable with any of the Olympus f1.8 primes. Since I made the original comment, my Ricoh GR has gone kaput, like other Ricohs I have had over the years. Unfortunately, it is the only brand I've personally encountered that has consistently failed under long term use. Meanwhile, my RX0 has shot tens of thousands of frames since 2018 and continues to function perfectly.
Maybe you got a bad sample, but I don’t have this problem with my g5x ii. This thing is a beast. I bought It as a toy for my personal use, then took it one time with me to an event as back up for my A7rIII and was just blown away how versatile this little thing is. Up to ISO1600 it is a perfect working horse which diggs itself deep into my workflow. I love this thing. The LX100 was just to big, the RX100 VI/VII have the best lens but are to slow, the GRIII is for a special kind of photographer, but the G5X II is what I search for. It’s lens could be a little bit sharper, the af has to be better in low light but the rest is really impressive. I was surprised, that the ISO performance is noticeably better with the Canon than the Sony.
GRIII Pros:
Easily fits in your pocket.
Easy to setup for fast manual use.
Image is beautiful.
No clutter physically or in the menus
Cons:
Inconsistent autofocus
Video sucks
No EVF
I dearly loved mine, but sent it back.
Hi Eric! Did you get another camera?
Ricoh in my pocket and X-Pro2 + primes in my backpack or around my neck.
clearly the griii ... because of 2 main reasons:
1.Its simply fit in the pocket and you know the beste camera is the camera that stays always wiht you.
2.overall functions and great apsc sensor quality.
My wish for the gr4 is a tilting screen - than it would be a perfect friend to go out :)
exactly, the whole point of a compact is it's size
Best compact cameras for me:
-Ultra pocket friendly: Canon G9x II, Sony RX100 mk I
-APSC sensor: Nikon A, Canon G1X mk III
-Crazy autofocus: latests Sony RX100 and ZV1 (it is more a video camera)
-The bokeh thing: Canon G1x mk II, Panasonic LX100 and LX100 mk II, Canon G5X mk II
Great comparison of the 4 cameras. I have the Ricoh GR iii and found that the screen brightness can be adjusted quite a bit for outdoor shooting. And I thought I would miss the lack of OVF, but I actually don't because the touch screen LCD is so responsive when set it up for touch focus. I agree with you 100 percent that you should pick what works for your style of shooting. Thanks
Love your videos Andrew. Thanks for not using obnoxious music on them.
Andrew, thanks for doing this roundup! I actually just bought a GR III myself so was curious to get your take. I basically bought the GR III for the same reason, family documentary style shooting. It was between this and the Fujifilm X100 series. I still have my interchangeable lens system with my Nikon Z 6, but as a dad with two kids... nothing beats having a pocketable camera that can quickly capture the moment!
At the end of the video, you started waffling and I was like “oh no, he’s going to punk out and not gonna actually pick one.” You did, but I am impressed that you said none of them instead of some form of all of them. ( trying not to offend anyone)
For my part, I do the same type of photography that you do and I chose the Ricoh. The screen goes bright enough that I don’t really miss an EVF, I just turn up the screen brightness when I’m shooting outdoors. The advantage and dynamic range is noticeable, and the optical quality is really top class. Now that it has a 24 megapixel sensor, the lack of any zoom is easier to deal with. The feature I miss most on it is a flip up screen, for The odd selfie or vlogging.
I was thinking of adding an LX 100 mark two to the fleet to get that fast zoom lens and still have a large sensor, but again no flip-up screen and the fact that the lens is not sharp at full zoom is a deal-killer.
That makes me think that maybe the Sony with its excellent auto focus and flip up screen is the choice. But as you say I think I would go with a previous version that still had a fast lens. I would also add some skateboard tape to the front of the camera so that it’s not so slippery.
I can't see it corrected in previous comments, but the RX100 VII can be configured (and is by default) to turn on when you open the EVF and shut down when you close it, without the need to use the on/off button.
The GRiii touch screen can be used to set the focus point like the Canon and it can also set focus and release the shutter with one touch...
My main camera is Canon 7D II as I mainly shoot sports, Landscapes, family. I recently picked up G5X II for a simple walk around / travel camera. I am very impressed by this thing for photo and video.
I love the G5XII too. Colours and the menu are great. If it only had the AF of the Sony, it would be the best compact camera.
for the lumix there is some automatic lenscap, if I recall correctly... yes, i just checked, amazon less than 20 usd
YUPPERS.
Makes it even more difficult to remove from pocket!
The Ricoh is not plastic it has a full magnesium case and the lens although fixed 28mm is up to the sharpest of my new 2019 Leica M 10 lense.
I have a Leica 28mm and for sure the GRIII is a match for it.
I have owned a Canon S100 and Panasonic Lumix CS52. Both of these camera broke down so that they are now a door stop.
The Canon S100 broke down under warranty and Canon repaired it. The S100 broke 2d time again, and Canon wanted to fix for half the cost of a new one.
The Panasonic Lumix CS52 was bought with a "free" extended 2 year warranty to replace my S100. The CS52 broke down with 1 month left on the warranty. Panasonic's warranty contractor claimed that I misused the camera, but I didn't; but I did heavily use it. They wanted 2/3ds the price of new camera. Another boat anchor. So a word to the wise. BTW Panasonic contracts it warranty work in the USA, and if you read the reviews, they are only so, so at best.
I bought the Sony RX100-7 in 2019, when it was introduced to replace my CS52, and so far, the RX100-7 has been utterly reliable. So when you need super-reliable camera, I would go with the Sony RX100-7, it is right there when you need it. Even though it costed $1,300, it was worth every penny to me. BTW if you guys get the Sony RX100-7, buy the little rubber grip for ~$20, that is attached/glued to the right side for better grip. Personally for such ultra-premium camera I am surprised it was not included, oh well. The Sony RX100-7 has never disappointed me.
Since the spring of 2018 I sold my Nikon glass and Pany m4/3 system to move to Sony. Sold the Sony after 6 months to move to Fuji. Sold the Fuji system 1 year to repurchase Nikon glass and the z6. In all that time the one constant was my gr1. Didn't even sell it when purchasing the griii in December. Love, love, love those little pocket cameras. If I could get one with a 20mm lens I would carry one in each pocket.
Get the GR iii. You will not regret it. Lovely touch screen, great sensor and IBIS!
@@dpie4859 Got it in December. Love it!
You made the comment about the Sony RX100 VII's EVF, "The only thing I wish it would do is automatically switch on when you turn the camera on, or at least have the option to do so, so it's not a two step process to begin shooting at eye level like it is now."
In the menu to to the "lunch bucket" (next to the star), page 2 or 7, bottom most option entitled "Function for VF close". Turn to "power off". Now when you pop of the EVF up, the camera turns on and when you close it the camera shuts off.
Personally I prefer it in "Not Power Off" mode myself, but the option is there to turn the camera on.
Touch focus using he LCD (back screen)...menu "lunch bucket" page 3 of 7, turn on...Also ensure under the 2nd Camera in the menu, page 10 of 10 Fuch of Touch Operation is set to Touch Focus.
Turn the mode dial to SCN (scene) mode and you will find a Macro mode also.
Burst mode on the RX-100VII might be 20 fps, but shoots 20 fps with NO black out and I got about 110 continuous frames in RAW with mine.
Which brings me to the question, which of the others can shoot RAW, I'm assuming all.
Btw, I used to be a Canon shoot since around 1980 till last year.
I mean to each their own. I don't consider a camera that can't fit in my pocket a pocket camera as your title "Best camera for your pocket?" says, thus the Lumix bites the dust immediately as its not truly a "pocket camera" (more of a "special" pocket camera).
I actually shoot with 3 cameras, ya you guessed it the RX100VII, also a Full Frame mirror-less and a "Bridge camera" depending on the situation.
Bought the RX100 because I wanted/needed? a camera that WOULD fit in my pocket when I'm out riding my bike, as I wanted something better than a smartphone.
Good video though.
Thanks for the corrections! others have mentioned these errors as well. That makes me like the RX100 vII significantly more. If it werent for that over-achieving zoom range... ;)
As I showed in the video, the LUMIX LX100 does fit in my pocket, though it's not ideal.
@@AndrewGoodCamera Once again, the zoom has to do with the users needs. As for me, I wanted the extra reach, because my bridge camera can reach 600mm equivalent.
I like the 20 fps, well, sometimes I think its too fast thus turn it to med which I think it 10fps (would have to look it up)
The eye detection focus is amazing.
HOWEVER, that price tag isn't amazing, and isn't for everyone.
I keep a Sony RX100 V in one pocket and a Sony RX100 VII in another pocket. The f1.8 on the V comes in handy for low light pics like at live music
If you had to have only one which would you choose?
@@itsmejeremy7 V because I don't record video as much and the f1.8 can maen the difference between getting and not getting the shot. I keep a Zoom H1N in my pocket if I need to record sound
@@circuitsandcigars1278 thank you so much for the reply! I’m definitely mostly photography but I now have a 1 year old so I’m wanting video also so I’m kinda confused because lower f-stop is obviously nice but is the auto focus as good on the V?
@@itsmejeremy7 Same basic lightning fast autofocus. I've used a bunch of digital cameras including another Sony but the RX100 series opened my eyes to fast focus speeds. I had a few Nikon's and lenses I'm getting rid of that were dog slow focus compared to my Sonys
I got a opened box LX100 II (payd 800$ from 1000$ for a camera with only 100 frames) like 4 days ago and shoot like 100 pictures/day with it, the camera is really, really good ! I really love a lot of things about it and i would like some improvements of course (i'm a long time dslr owner, I had about 10 dslr's including full frames like D600 and D810 with 2.8 zooms) and i bought this for travel (i got sick of carrying 7kg of gear with me in my trips), walks in the park and so on.
What i love about it :
1. is pretty compact compared with what i'm used to , 2 it has great image quality for a compact camera and even decent bokeh (i found the lens being verry sharp, sharper than you said in the video). Even the digital zoom is not too bad, is verry usable, 90-120 mm is good, but at 150mm iq drops a little, is like using iso 1600 in the dailight 3. the controls are just AWSOME ! I set it up for my taste, i know every dial and fn buttons, i can set it up in seconds (is not a camera that i would reccomend for photography noobs) , it trashes other compact cameras in this department , 4. it has a real useful hotshoe what i really use with a Olympus FL-LM3 flash bought for 50$ from someone who got it from a Pen F and never used the flash, it just needed a small "adjustement" like in this video, th-cam.com/video/8Tn-aFUKxhI/w-d-xo.html made it in a few minutes :) . I even made a small diffuzer for it from a battery cap that i had from a Nikon D5500 battery and a bounce card , that i cut from a cardboard box from a home standard lightbulb ;) .Now i cand bounce the little flash in any dirrection and the light looks like the one from a big flash :) 5. It has a ok evf, touch screen and decent video (but not great and it takes a lot of space on the card) 6. it has a good battery for a compact camera , it came with a quarter battery when it arrived and i shot over 100 frames wit it, now i got about 300 and still has some juice in it. In your face Sony !!! :))
What i don't like about it and in this order:
1. I wish it had better af , i made a test with my girls running around with all focusing modes and got only about half of them in focus. I wish the camera had the RX 100 VII af , i saw that camera working and it's awsome in this department . Point to point af is good, but the next model really needs improvement in continuous af.
2. i wish it had a flippy screen or at least a tilting one than can go down to 180 gr (not up, because i usually put my flash on the hotshoe)
3. i wish it had a better viewfinder. His evf is ok , but not at the level that some mirrorless camera that i tested
4. i wish it had a way better codec for 4k video and without the crop , it records like with 700-750mb/minute , it's ridiculous . Sony is still way better for filming. For now i preffer to use my S9+ with my osmo mobile 3 gymbal , it uses half the space and have nicer videos.
5. i wish it had a headphone jack
6. i wish it had weather sealing , just like Canon G1 X III . You can do it Panasonic ! :)
PS: If the next model comes out in 2 years (there were 4 years between the first and second model and this one came out in 2018) and it has at least the first 4 points from the minuses resolved i would buy the new camera instantly ! :)
Thanks a really interesting take. I'm debating buying a compact Sony RX100 vii, but possibly biased as I'm enjoying the capability of Sony kit over 4 years now, having switched from Nikon after 28 years. I suspect the 200mm equiv. range is a handicap and that a faster constant f2.8 (like Canon's) might be better. Handling looks poor. I know one can fit a cage (but that seems contra to the ethos of super compact - I might just be better buying an a6600 instead). I strongly suspect that I need several cameras (which is where I have been previously - running up to 5-6 in days of film - but that's history and not applicable today).
If I did buy a more compact camera (currently I use a Google Pixel 6 for that role) it wouldn't ever replace my 'serious' photo kit. Sony and other manufacturer's will never make what I want because the world wide demand would be too small. I note that Sony haven't released an upgrade to the RX100vii in 3+ years, although they do finally now seem to be doing something about their hitherto limited range of top grade APS-C glass.
Personally I'd like to have something like a RX100 (iix?) with a built in electronic NDF, 10 bit video capability for log (max dynamic range, notwithstanding the constraints of a tiny 1" sensor) and 2-3 dedicated 'top flight' prime lenses say equiv. 24mm, 35-40mm and 80-85mm all ideally f2 or f2.8. But realistically that's never going to happen.
Where next? It's a dilemma as I'm now in the fortunate position of being able to afford any camera I want - trouble is I can't possibly carry all the kit I could/might buy, so need to be wise and considered in my choices. Better I think to consider carefully, buy occasionally then sell on if it doesn't fill a real need. But it's very hard to know what will work optimally without trying to use and live with any given camera for at least 4 weeks.
I started on Sony in 2018 with an a6500, then bought an a7r3, a9, a7riv and currently I'm down to just one body an a7iv (others sold). I miss the a9 most. I toyed with buying an a1 but plumped for the better value a7iv when announced, but the a1 is still on my 'maybe' list. I'm lucky to own about 15 high quality full frame Sony optics. For me all Sony kit is compact when I reflect on my old (mostly now all sold) Nikon kit. I feel that all cameras are a compromise and I'm just trying to evaluate which set of trade offs I should ultimately try to work with. I'm keeping my a7iv but contemplating an a1 (mostly sports plus wildlife stills and occasional video from the a1's much faster sensor). A FX3 (video plus rigging to high grade tool, with just an occasional stills shot in mind given it's excellent low light capacity and that I already have all the glass I might ever need from 14-600mm). An a6600 for more compact street and lighter travel (less pro looking / intimidating when I don't want to stand out as a 'serious' photographer). Possibly an a7c (but really on that I'm waiting on an a7c mk ii that utilises internals from the a7iv vs the a7iii internals found on an a7c). The RX100 vii might just be great for uber light alternative shooting (as in always carrying a camera, but recognise it won't rival an a1 with GM optics). Despite binge watching many YT vids. I guess I won't really know if I can live with the benefits and trade offs that an RX100 vii yields until attempting to live with one for a while. Another consideration is that I need to make time to travel more, shoot more images rather than just buy more and more kit.
I have the Ricoh GR II (not three), LX100 (1 not 2), Sony RX100 IV and Canon G5X II. Overall I prefer the Canon G5X II. I LOVE the popup EVF.
the Ricoh GR III is NOT made of plastic! You call it Magnesium :).
But it feels very cheap
@@Felix-ol3znNo, it doesn’t.
@@yurivicit feels cheap compared to the rx100. The buttons and dials are much more flimsy, and that "magnesium" feels so plasticky and cheap compared to the aluminum on rx100 or the magnesium on high end mirrorless tbh.
@@yurivicflimsy buttons and thin material , plus poor fitting tolerances makes the dirt getting into the sensor. All adds up is a perceptional low quality. Had it a few months doesn’t worth the money. It is a good idea but bad industrial implementation.
The Ricoh feels fantastic in your hand. Best camera ever. And light.
Sony is the worst ergonomics ever in the history of cameras.
That was an excellent review and comparison Andrew - thank you. If the criteria is truly “pocketable” rather than having a point-and-shoot device on the kitchen cabinet ready to grab at a moments notice, then weight should be a key comparison, and in that regard, I think the Ricoh GR3 would win hands down. In the same way, if the comparison is pocketable i.e. a take everywhere camera with you, then again, the Ricoh wins it for me, although I’ve never picked up the camera let alone own one, but I am currently in the market for deciding which to get and this review was very helpful thank you
Since you are a mountain biker here is some food for thought. The Ricoh GR III has some compromises, of course. However, you are like me on the trail and only bring the bare minimum (no hydration bags). Ricoh GR III is the only camera that will fit in a small saddle bag or pocket. You could even add some padding in the saddlebag to protect the camera.
Great roundup. If I had to pick one of these for documentary use, it’s probably be the G5XIII. That whole series has been very good to me over the years. The Sony is expensive and not fun to handle. The LUMIX is just too big. The Ricoh is just way too much compromise.
Agreed. If only that G5X II didnt have that fiddly EVF.
@@AndrewGoodCamera I have one on my rx100VA and hardly use it... too tiny
Film option indeed. I traveled Hong Kong and China in 1983 with a bag full of Nikon’s and lenses but bought an Olympus XA. The clamshell with a 35mm lens. I ended up shooting about 35 rolls of Ektachrome and Kodachrome with it and barely used the Nikons. Being smooth all over it really slipped into any pocket. Had built in lens protection and a fabulous lens with perfect exposure. Most of the cameras you tested come up short in comparison apart from that new fangled digital aspect.
agylub You are right. The XA was the best usable small analogue camera, better than a Rollei or Minox, because it had a coppled rangefinder
*UPDATE 1:* A lot of people are wondering why I didn't include the Fuji X-E3 with a pancake lens in this comparison. The LX100 II was already pushing it, so I don't think I'd qualify the X-E3 as quite "pocketable": cameradecision.com/compare-size/Fujifilm-X-E3-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-LX100-II
*UPDATE 2:* I was mistaken about two things in relation to the Sony RX100 VII. It's been pointed out to me that it is possible to do touch/drag focus on the Sony RX100 VII, as well set the popup EVF to activate on startup.
No mention of 90 FPS burst on Sony RX 100 VII?
What about lx10 and xf10? I am considering all of those you reviewed here and plus that two cameras.
Thanks for your great review. Especially for the stabilizer test. It speaks volumes. Only the Lumix LX100 II was steady and you didn't say anything about it. Other comparisons found the image quality to be very good and sharp. I'll see, I'll get me one used LX 100 II.
Ricoh has very poor stabilisation in video mode, in photo mode it's much better
Happy GR III camper here! My Dad owns the LX100 (first version). I just love the unrivaled combination of ultraslim and light design, usability (touch, 3 wheels, plenty configurable buttons), modern APS-C sensor, the sharpest lens I have ever used and efficient IBIS.
Even the digital crop to 50mm is about as good as the RX100 at 50mm (lens resolves not even close to the 20MP, Ricoh resolves every single pixel, cropped = 7,5MP; used sensor real estate is also the same at 50mm digital crop).
Love my GR III to pieces… But his judgment is fair. I wish it had at least a brighter screen and the burst rate being higher and a better autofocus. Although it works well in good light and snapfocus is a standalone feature of the Ricoh that is faster than any autofocus.
But still: the large aspc sensor and the razorsharp prime lense in such a small sized camera and the film simulations makes it still the best compact camera on the market. For me.
the RX viewfinder does turn the camera on when it pops up you just have to set it up that way
After playing with my RX100M6 for a while I found quite a few set up gimmicks I like ... I’m contemplating whether to buy the LX100 II tho because I like the more sturdy feel to it
I ended up purchasing the LX100 II and I love it
"If you're stylish like me and wear cargo shorts"...LOL! I wear cargo shorts all the time, perfect for a compact camera! Cheers!
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The photo of your son with the 'Impossible Decisions' card is so great!
Found your review really helpful thanks. I've only just bought the RX100VII as I'm bored waiting for Sony to bring out the VIII if at all. One minor point to note is that although you say otherwise at 6:15 in your video, when I pop up the EVF it does switch on the camera and pushing it down also switches it off. Maybe there's been a firmware update.
Fun comparison - thanks for doing this. I've got the LX100 (1st gen) and still love it... Sold all of my Canon gear when I switched to Fuji, but I just can't quite part with my LX100.
The XE-1 with the 27mm pancake works for me! That combo isn't really much bigger than these cameras, and the image quality is great! Also it was like $400USD used!
I'd take Ricoh GR anytime, but i still like LX100 ii.
Sony Rx100vii were great BUT id rather get A7ii with that price.
yes man, I got a LX100 II a few days ago, i shoot over 300 frames with it and i really like the camera :)
@@CosminCraiova few day and only 300 photos, if i were you with that LX100ii i prolly take 2000 shots a day hahaha.
I get the complaint that the Ricoh's AF lags behind others. But in my experience, the reality is that quite often you can't rely on AF at all unless you're using a very high end (and very large and heavy) pro DSLR.
So for those situations where you need an instantaneous shot with zero lag or room for error on AF, the solution must rely on technique rather than technology: zone focusing, aka hyperlocal distances.
The problem there is that most modern cameras are not designed for this type of shooting, and are extremely cumbersome to set up for zone focusing.
Sony cameras are famous for their seemingly infinite range of custom settings, but getting those settings just right is a usability nightmare. Sonys are in my opinion among the most infuriating cameras to use, unless you're shooting with a highly controlled, pre-planned setup, or you're perfectly happy relying on full program mode (which will usually work fine for generic snapshots).
The Ricoh GR is reportedly optimized for zone focusing. Its settings are highly customizable, and it remembers everything-including focusing distance-after waking from sleep. Its Snap Focus feature lets you use autofocus while reverting to a pre-selected zone focus distance if you push the shutter all the way down instead of half way. I have not yet tested one myself but am eager to try one out to see if it lives up to this promise.
Combine that with its larger APC-C sensor, razor sharp prime lens, and small and light body design, and I think you've got a compelling solution for a certain type of photographer. Of course, zone focusing requires a small aperture, which makes it an ineffective technique in low light. But most AF systems fail in low light as well.
The only camera which I found a joy to use is the Leica Q, but it's not exactly pocket-sized and the $5000 price tag keeps it outside of most people's reach.
While I disagree with a lot of your points here, I thought it was a well-rounded overview of these cameras.
I just got myself the Ricoh GR iii. Didn’t expect to like it as much as I do. That size! Seriously, how did they cram an APSC sensor in there? Regarding the autofocus in low light, I agree. It is weak but manageable, and a compromise I live with. Especially when you consider the image quality that you can get out of it. I prefer shooting with the EVF too but I don’t mind its absence as much as Andrew. I also have the RX 100 VII and while the autofocus is much better no doubt, the 1-inch sensor is just too limiting to me. You might as well be using your phone.
The GRIii size is pretty remarkable
@@MPD90 sure if you find the autofocus a problem. i don’t. and that’s why we all use different cameras. Also, in decent light, the phone could have done as good a job as the 1-inch sensor too.
I just bought the G5x on sale for $565usd, such a great camera. I chose it over the G5x ii because of the flip screen and the fixed EVF on top.
I'm in the market for a compact and hadn't thought of the original G5X. I'm gonna check that out, thanks 👍
How is the battery life though?
The Ricoh's snap focus and colors and size of sensor have always been its strongest suits. Once you figure out how to zone/snap focus, it's easily the fastest of the bunch. However it does tend to suck in lowight.... I'd be interested to see what you might think of the ricoh grii or gri. The layout is a little more spread out, therefore alot more comfortable. Plus it has a integrated flash, which actually can be pretty helpful in alot of lowlight situations
While having zone focus is awesome, I personally just like the 40-50mm (full frame equivalent) angle of view much better than the Ricoh's 28mm. It's way too wide for me; but I like portraits and shots of people from across the street and from a respectful distance away from people. But to each their own! (Maybe it's because its harder to juggle how much you have in frame at 28mm, and getting a clean composition is easier at 50mm)
@@manwhalejoe6962 honestly I used to feel the exact same way. I like to think of myself as a 50mm kinda shooter generally. But there is something extra special about the 28mm focal length that I'm not sure if one can understand until they get up in proples faces and what not and start shooting like a true street ninja. Just getting up close and personal with subjects with those colors and that perspective. Just kinda magical. Like I said its hard to explain until you actually experience it. Then it actually gets addicting. It did take some getting adjusted to however
If you learn to shoot from the hip without having to look at the screen you will take much better and more candid photos. People don't know you're taking a photo, even if they see the camera. This isn't as difficult as it seems, because the 28mm focal length gives you a lot of latitude, and there are enough pixels to enable you to crop in post. The difficult thing is judging the focus, but that's all about practice, getting out there and doing it. Once you get even to the point of being only 50% accurate, the kinds of images you get will elevate you from"enthusiastic amateur" to pro level. Plus, there is nothing more satisfying than getting that shot of a stranger staring straight at the camera and not having a clue that you've taken the shot.
@@leslawrenson9305 word I agree. And that's actually my primary style of shooting I can easily say. Actually since I commented on this last, I've obtained the original 35mm film ricoh gr1 and that has become my primary edc shooter that I seem to predominantly shoot from the hip with. I've actually had to train myself to use viewfinders over time lol!
Great video. I agree upon your final selections and how you ranked them.
I would love to see Fuji update their pocket cameras. A modern x70 or xf10. And go with a tilt lcd.
Agreed!
Omg yes
Yes! I had an xf10 and loved the image quality and simplicity. There were a few things that bothered me though. Slow focus. Also I believe it wouldn't hold focus with a half press for focus recomposing. Could be wrong though on that. Felt plasticy too.
If a new model with either pop up evf or, at least a tilting BRIGHT screen, faster focusing, and fix the half press issue came out I would buy it if the price was 599 or less.
May watch for a used one....
The Burst rates here are incomplete. For example while the LX100 does 11fps in regular burst mode it also does 30fps in 4K photo mode. However, the LX100 II’s greatest strength is macro and not mentioned here is macro focus stacking which gives greater depth of field, and that means a far greater chance of getting small objects in focus. It is great making a comparison between these cameras, but sometimes usability goes way beyond just the spec sheet and experience with the equipment reveals differences and advantages as well as disadvantages that are not apparent in the specs.
Can you uoload sample photo and video of its marco capability?
Nice as always. Didn’t realize the length until you brought it up 😉
Haha. That's a good sign!
Thanks for slogging through all these. My conclusion: you just can't get a pocketable camera which (i) has a workable EVF; and (ii) has decent external controls and a good system for moving the focus point. I have owned the Fuji X70 (no viewfinder); the Ricoh GR (no viewfinder); and two Sony RX100s (fiddly controls and maddening menus). All are gone from my inventory. My go-to, everday rig is a Fuji XT-3 with a 23mm f/2. Definitely bigger than any of these, but a shooter's delight and (very important to me) weather resistant. Cheers from rainy Kentucky.
Yeah I'd say that about sums it up :( Too bad because it's totally possible! Just need someone to hobble the right combo together. :)
Fuji's XE3 and 27mm pancake should be up your street. Far smaller and lighter.
@@blood_n_guts_murphy not pocketable
@@AndrewGoodCamera Sorry, should have said that I meant as an alternative to Jim's XT3 with 23mm. I spent years looking for a pocket cam. There isn't a pants pocketable option for me. Closest was the GM5. A GR with an RX100 pop-up EVF would be best.
Dude, the lx100 has an auto lens cap. It's aftermarket, but it's there if you want it. Also, knocks on the lx100 include the field sequential EVF with RGB tearing and the sloooooooow zoom--though you can set the zoom to step between common prime focal lengths.
just orderd sony the eosr 5 and 6 are great but cant carry in pocket all the time
I bought the LX100 I for my brother when he had a kid, the digging of which drew me to Fuji. For him it was too demanding though :D However, I remember there was an extra lens cap with "Iris" you could buy. It automatically opens/seals the lens, so maybe check for that if it makes a difference!
Very interesting! Thanks
It also takes 43 mm filters - slap on a UV filter and go
This was a good round up and presented as fairly as possible given the circumstances. Very helpful for me thinking about a pocketable camera. I think for me where the size and image quality matters most, the GR series would be my best bet, but just wish it was cheaper to reflect some of the older tech in it. I don't mind no evf in the least as small compact camera evfs feel weird to me, but better AF would be helpful along with better video. Anyway, thanks for taking the time to make this and give your useful thoughts!
The LX100 original model found its way into my bag a few years ago, I loved almost everything about it....until the dust specks started showing up on the sensor. But I loved the camera so much I bought another, same thing. Turns out that the design of the zoom makes it more prone to dust on the sensor with no easy way to clean it. So now my pocket carry is the Canon G7X II (I also shoot a fair bit of video with it, fits my needs perfectly) which augments my Fuji stuff (X-H1 and ST-30) for more serious video and still work.
But when I want to go out and just shoot, a Rollei 35 and a roll or two of Fujifilm Superia 800 occupies the pockets of my cargo shorts.
Ah, that is bad news and helpful info, thank you. And yes, I have several Rollei 35 cameras. Someone needs to make a digital version. :)
Yes, you are not the only one with this problem. These are dust magnets. I have an LX100 since 3 months and have been in a dusty environment with wind, got caught by surprise but fortunately no dust on the cam sensor. I bought the LX100II secodnhand. Not a spec on the sensor. It seems advisable to use a brush and take it with you and brush the dust off wiping away from the body to the front of the lens. I never did that. but it seems to be a way to get rid of it.
Other than that, the LX100 and even more so the LX100II are for me a real trea topt use. Many things manually on cam available which I love. And for my wife who is not that much into photocams, the Ai function means she can take pics with ease as well.
I also own a GM5, an EPL5, a GH4 and a EM1.2 Oly. The last one with primes get me visible sharper pics than the LX100II (which gets clearly better IQ than my LX100 does) but none of these cams are as fun to use as the LX100II. So for landscape etc I use Em1.2 and may be soon the G9mkII,, also for low light shooting, lightning etc. But for streets, holidaytrips with the family etc it is the LX100II.
The GR isn’t ‘plastic’, it’s got a grippy outer surface and a full magnesium body.
low quality magnesium body
I’ve had various iterations of the Sony and didn’t like most of them. I bought the Ricoh to see if I could live with 28mm focal length for a potential change to the Leica Q. Seems I can live with 28mm and I enjoyed the Ricoh very much. It’s the camera that lives in my briefcase and for when I want to travel light. The lens is crazy sharp. Otherwise the Q goes in its place.
You can also set (if it’s not already preset) the side button to cycle between three zoom points, obviously using digital zoom. On my old first generation GR I used this zoom feature a lot, usually with success. Shooting in B&W solved many low light noise dilemmas. Snap focus was also a great feature. Wish I could find that camera...
I have owned versions of all these cameras at one time or another. Getting ready to get back to street photography after two covid years off the streets. What am I buying to carry with me? Ricoh GRiii. It just feels like an extension of my street eye.
The only workable pocket digital camera I still have is Olympus TG3. Not the best image quality, but you can toss the camera in the sand or in the water and it'll still work fine...
I am using the TG-5. For sports, like running, it's a great camera to carry with you.
Good video Andrew! I personally own the RX100V and love it when I want some zoom reach or tilting screen. I also have both a GR 1 and GR2 I've had for years and those are my go-to carry everywhere cameras as I too lean to the wide end for documentary photo taking. Love them both... Well worth setting up the snap focus, it's wonderful and fast. No other cameras (to my knowledge) have it, I wish others did, super handy for not having to rely on af... I set mine to 1m or 2m depending on scenario for the day and I leave it there... Seems to always work pretty well no matter the lighting. Fwiw
Fuji XF10 has a slightly less flexible snap focus and APSC for $200 less than GR
I think the fuji xe3 with the 27mm pancake is about the size of some of those "pocket" cameras.
The 18mm is also quite thin.
Beats them all, except for the Ricoh which can actually fit in my jeans. Though, I would never put it in my pants pocket bc there's always lint and the GR has dust in the sensor issues.
The LX100 II was already pushing it, so I don't think it's quite what I'd qualify as "pocketable": cameradecision.com/compare-size/Fujifilm-X-E3-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-LX100-II
The GR III does not have this problem anymore, because it is better constructed. And it now has ultrasonic sensor cleaning because of IBIS. I carry now my GR III for ten months daily in my jeans pocket, not one single speck on the sensor or inside the lens. Great carry!
Fantastic comparison. Really appreciate the information and presentation!
What about an Xe3 with one of the f2s or pancake lens?
How would that compare? It has to be right there with the others.
LX100 was pushing it. Xe3 is slightly bigger.
The LX100 I funny enough found rather similar in footprint as my GX80 with Leica 15mm f/1.7 which also makes for a sick combo.
I rock the X-E3 with the pancake and can't fit it in any of my fitted jackets without a big bulge sadly. I have to wear a slightly baggy top for it to be comfortable and wouldn't consider it a compact solution.
X-T20 with xf27 fits in my shorts pockets pretty easily. Also can squeeze it into my slim jeans pocket, but can't say it's ideal. Doesn't look a great deal thicker than the Lumix though (if you're ok with 27mm). The X70 is amazing, and for the lack of an evf you get a flippy screen. If Fuji could come up with a pancake just a touch slimmer than the xf27, there'd be no contest!
I have an xe3 w 27mm pancake. It's great but big pocket bulge. Only works for a coat or hoody pocket.
nice job! thinking about lx100 another one to my collection :) got GM1 (love it), Sigma DP2m (LOVE IT!), and other older compacts, but wanna try LX100 to check if that's good for me :D thanks for that comparison. I honestly think that APS-C in Ricoh has a slight advantage giving that little extra DOF compared to other's. And I like the samples from Ricoh the most. Best regards to your sweet family! cheers
Thanks a lot for this review. I wasn’t really sure if I should go with a Sony or a Panasonic. Now I know I’ll get the Lumix.
Nice review. Love the shots at the end.
The autofocus on GR3 is not the greatest out of the bunch. But that's where the snap focus comes in. It takes a while to learn but when you do GR3 becomes magical.
Super video, great info, exactly what I needed to know! Thanks very much
This is the review that I was looking for 👏🏼👌👏🏼
As a street shooter, I find the gr3 is the one for me however without the articulate screen is a deal breaker as I sometimes shoot from the hip level. Hope they fix this on the gr4.
Ivan Wang the gr4 should be here in time for 2030.
I agree 100%. It's what's kept me from picking one up. I've tried M4/3rd Panasonic GX85 and size was nice, but beyond IS0 1600 (for me) it was disappointing. So I'm still looking for that magical small camera. I do have a Sony RX100 V, and it's pretty impressive but sensor has limitations.
Shooting from the hip isn’t street photography
@@soton__1792 Why not?
Ivan, it's got a 28mm lens. Stop down and fire away. You don't need a damn screen, lol.
I tried a few... but I still get back to my pocket-sized Sony RX-100 VI. The smallest, the most versatile and superb quality... only the controls and handling are a bit worse.
The balck & white photos from all four cameras look stunning! Very artistic looking.
The GRIII monochromes are amazing, with the LX100ii second.
16:33 Lumix IBIS is legendary as usual :)
My choice: The Lumix. Both the Ricoh and the Panasonic have the advantage of a much larger APS-C and MFT sensor respectively compared to the 1" sensor found in both RX100 and G5X, but the Panasonic beats the Ricoh thanks to a variable zoom lens.
(Ricoh has a APS-C size sensor, which is approximately 40% bigger than the MFT sensor in the Panasonic. Which is why the Lumix can get away with a zoom lens but the Ricoh only has a fixed lens. One isn't right or wrong, it just depends on what you are prioritizing.)
Funny that you did not wholeheartedly endorse any. This was thoroughly enjoyable.
I was waffling right up until the point of hitting the record button. ;)
Excellent comparison! Very thorough and clear.
Good and informative video. I have the Canon G5X II and I just tried to push in the pop-out on the EVF with my eye but could not do it. Maybe my facial geometry is different than others, but I did not find this to be a problem. Love the camera BTW.
I really appreciated this comparison. I have the Sony RX100vii. I see some others already corrected you about the ability to do touch and drag for focusing and on the fact that opening the EVF does power on the camera. Another strength of the Sony is that its 20 frames/second are blackout free.
About a year ago I was starting to think about getting my first real camera for travel. Looked at all of these options (or the older equivalent at the time), and eventually was seriously considering either the Ricoh or the Fuji XF10. Wanting to buy something locally, I saw an X70 on sale at Walmart in Mexico and picked it up instead (not realising that it had already been discontinued at that point). Such a nice camera, pity they never followed it up :'(
Hope you watched Mattias Burlings videos.
@@dpie4859 yeh a lot of his videos popped up, he's a pretty big fan of the Ricohs if I recall correctly. Probably would have gotten one if not for the price/local availability. And I continue watching his videos just for the soothing voice...
I’ll wait for the Sony RX100 XXV. It should be ready in early 2022…
10-1000 mm, Super Duper Steady Shot, wifi 7, 6G, 4 mega pixel viewfinder, 7 inch fully swiveling 4K screen which is voice controlled. 10 TB onboard memory.
Joking aside, your pics are great!
Team Ricoh over here
After-market grip works perfect for the Sony RX100 VII. Really enjoying this camera as I post this three years later.
Thanks for this comparison, Andrew! Could you comment on how out-of-camera JPEGs compare between these? I want to document my life in stills, but I don't want to spend half of it fiddling with post-processing. From the samples in your video, the Canon seems to have the most pleasing colors (no surprise there), but I was expecting more out of the Panasonic also. Cheers!
Good comparison video, thanks. Best til last ay! Give me the Rollie 35 and that’s from a LUMIX shooter!!! New to your channel, how much do you use the Rollie?
Love my Lumix LX100 II. As somebody interested only in photography you can’t beat the dedicated dials and the f1.7-2.8 Leica lens. Low light performance is good, too.
Does the camera have focus stacking? And what about battery? How many shots can you do?
@@picat4 It does provide photo stacking. Battery life is acceptable. Haven’t counted the shots, but while doing street photography I‘ve not run low and it’s good practice anyway to carry along with you at least one spare. The only thing you might miss is a tilting screen. I don’t need it though.
@Distomos Hi, as an owner of Lumix LX 100, do you find it durable enough?
A nature photo enthusiast, I do not necesserily go around bashing my camera on hard rocks ( :-) ), but I am worried whether it can handle at least some dust or wind.
@@JeyFox Well, since it’s not weather sealed I’d be cautious. One complaint that almost made me desist to purchase it was the complaint from some few owners that the retractable lens sucks in air and thus dust, polluting the sensor. Since I hadn’t that issue with the former Lumix I bought it anyways. I set the lens to only retract when I turn it off, just in case, which is good for readiness in street photography. Otherwise it’s a solid built camera and it works fine up to this day. I might add that I’m quite mindful of my gear‘s condition.
Not sure if this would fit with this comparison but the Fuji x-f10 is similar to Richo gr 3 and half the price
Just not quite there, in terms of quality camera and specs
I use to use this form factor a lot due to its pocketability, but I’d like to recommend a different option to you. The X-E3 body is just as small and there’s tons of lens options that can keep it pocketable. It’s what I’ve moved onto as my EDC camera at this point when I can’t take my X-H1. If I absolutely have to go smaller, the G7X III is unbeatable for the size as well.
The LX100 II was already pushing it, so I don't think I'd qualify the X-E3 as quite "pocketable": cameradecision.com/compare-size/Fujifilm-X-E3-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-LX100-II
@@AndrewGoodCamera That's the one convenient thing of having cold winters, you get bigger pockets on coats for cameras! In the summer I trade my coat for a fanny pack.
@@AndrewGoodCamera here's another one showing the X-T20 with 27mm (my "pocketable" setup) and the X-E3 with the 18mm, which I assume you'd prefer the focal length of: camerasize.com/compact/#816.388,793,721.572,ha,t
Very thoughtful as usual. I am a Lumix fan, and have been happy with mine, once I got used to it. As usual Sony manages to combine many features I hate in one camera, along with terrible customer service and out of warranty repairs.
I travel with an X-Pro2 + lenses and a GRIII (plus a phone of course). I am not a street photographer. Filtering through Lightroom I take (just about) more GRIII shots than anything else. I early enjoy this camera from pretty well all characteristics. We often find ourselves in Australia where the intense brightness is a defeat for any LCD so then I either wing it or use the (expensive) Ricoh OVF which is a glorious and sumptous experience.
I've watched a ton of these camera review videos lately. All of them have sample shots taken by the reviewer, of which, I've found most to be surprisingly mundane. For me, photos are either interesting or boring . . . primarily brought about by the composition. Again for me, composition trumps everything else.
Street photography---or documentational photography as you describe---is a lot more than a shot of the back of someone walking down a city sidewalk in the rain. Your samples are consistently interesting . . . the kind of shots one wants to linger over. Great, natural work . . . a definite cut above most of what I've seen. A lot like my own (that's a tacky humble brag, sorry . . . I think I just ruined my comment)
Thanks for the vid. How about a comparison between fuji 23mm 1.4 and fuji 16mm? I photograph our family travels i have a 16-80mm zoom for day shooting. However for low light it is not the best. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Those are both great lenses. It would just focus me down to which focal length you prefer. Load up all your favorite photos from the 16-80 in Lightroom or an EXIF viewer to see which focal length you tend to prefer.