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Is 300 Watts enough? Hobbymate D6 Dual Lite Review
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The Hobbymate D6 Dual Lite has 300 watts per channel. Is that enough for you? I'll show you how to analyze a charger's specs. And then we'll review the D6 Dual Lite!
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-- TABLE OF CONTENTS --
0:00 - AC/DC vs. DC only lipo chargers
2:36 - Is a 300 watt 15 amp charger big enough for your needs?
7:35 - Is a 240 watt power supply big enough for your needs?
9:00 - Let's look at the features, menus, and build
16:37 - Should you buy it? vs. D6 Dual Pro and ToolkitRC M6D.
Although the D6 Duo Pro lists for $150, it is often on sale for MUCH LESS. Here's a link to RaceDayQuads for $118. This is the AC/DC version with built in 200W power supply.
www.racedayquads.com/products/hota-d6-pro-dual-channel-325w-15a-ac-dc-battery-charger?aff=2
What's the difference in the HOTA and Hobbymate D6 Duo Pro?
@@dtmcentire LITERALLY not a single thing other than the brand painted on it. Even the firmware is interchangeable.
Checking Hobbymate D6 DUO description on they website. I see listed external and regenerative discharge.
ive been using mine exclusively for about a mont now and really like it
The wife will be okay with the purchase so long as you mention the free hair dryer feature they included.
The ToolkitRC M6D does support regenerative discharge. Set the power supply type to "battery" in the options and select Recycle as the discharge mode when programming a storage charge or discharge
@JB I've been charging three 1500 mAh Turnigy Graphene packs at 10C every charge since I bought them. Each pack has over 100 cycles on it so far, and I haven't noticed any degradation in power or flight time. The packs don't even get warm during the charge. Takes about 7 minutes to charge. Probably wouldn't be good on a car battery drawing 15A charges on a regular basis. I have an AC/DC 300W Reactor charger, and nearly always charge off AC. Is charging at 10C ok for these batteries, or have I drunk the Graphene kool-aid? :p
You can get away with 10C if the battery is perfectly healthy. If it is unhealthy it can result in a bug surprise.
@@JoshuaBardwell None of the packs are swollen at all, or have any dents or dings. I check cell voltages right after every flight, looking for signs of a weak cell. I never discharge below 3.6V per cell. I also check IR after each charge (I know this isn't the most accurate way of checking IR, but hopefully it would tip me off that the pack is going bad if IR increased significantly). And I charge in my garage on a cheap rolling metal tool cabinet with 6 feet of clearance from anything flammable. I've been meaning to build one of those battery bunkers for charging safety. Do you think the whole graphene battery thing is hype? The OP in the RCgroups thread for Graphene batteries swears he has put a bunch of these batteries through 10C charges to 1000 cycles, and they were still usable, but down to about 80% capacity.
I have watched all the Hota P6, Hobbymate D6 Lite videos on youtube and finally someone who has clear view of the PSU and also discusses that T240. Thank you
You would want to use the feet on the bottom to tilt both of them and increase airflow around the units for heat dissipation.
There's plenty of server power supplies out there, and they're very cheap. Picked up a 750W HP supply for 25AUD.
I was just wanting to buy this charger and now noticed this video released on my birthday last year, it was probably meant for me lol
lol nice, you played just enough of the car clip to hear the nut tab thingy snap in the background. Humm..maybe I'll be upgrading to a new travel charger. Thanks for keeping us informed on all that is FPV!
Good stuff, I went for the toolkit M6D couple months back shortly after your review. Gamble seems to be paying off so far although the extra features would have definitely been worth a couple extra dollars had this charger been out.
Also as a DIY fix for your noisy power supply Laptop charger cords are nothing but AC to DC power supplies, most are 19V+ the one I have is 6 amps, which isn't much, but for charging my little 2s 650mah RDQ batteries it's more then I need. No fan, No noise, typically dirt cheap or free from old broken laptops, I've seen them rated as high as 10-12 amps, little surgery, graft an XT60 on the end and silence is golden lol.
The thumbnail (picture and text) killed me! 🤣🤣🤣
The balance at voltage function is useful when I fly a pack right down to 3.8 (or right around there) and I want to balance the battery before putting it back on the shelf.
Did you compare the charge cycle times at the same charge rate of the D6 Dual Lite vs the D6 Duo Pro? I have an ISDT D2 (Balancing Current： 1A/cell x2 ) charger that has similar balance amperage spec as the D6 Dual Lite (Balance Current: 1000mA * 2). The D6 Duo Pro (Balance Current: 1600mA * 2 ) >50%, which I also have, and WOW does it make a BIG difference in reducing how much time it takes complete the balance portion of the charge cycle at the end, especially the more cells in your battery and if you're parallel charging. This isn't anything to sneeze at in time. The ISDT D2 is so annoyingly slow in comparison to the D6 Duo Pro on 6s packs, if I'm aiming to charge 3s packs for my toothpicks, 4s packs for my heavier 3" quads, and 6s packs for my 5" quads, when parallel charging, the 6s packs always always always go on the D6 Duo Pro. If the Lite is similarly annoyingly slow, which I would expect it to be, that's another BIG reason to go with the D6 Duo Pro over the Lite.
i have a reaktor 2x300 20a and i have the d6 dual lite and it does seem to charge faster than the reaktor. so im not sure the balance current matters on this charger. i havent tested them side by side but i went by the charge times. i will test them side by side soon.
A lot of people don't know if you charge off your car it's best to keep car running unless you know how many and how long you can charge your battery before your car battery is not charged enough to start your car
I like that manufacturers are recognizing that USB port for charging is added value and this has USB-C with PD support is 👌
Some radios use USB, and since it’ll sit on my desk then it can charge my phone too
Too bad with the noise, which could’ve been fixed with a temp controller for that fan, considering it isn’t cheap.
Also excellent idea to explain charging rates based on battery capacity... most beginners have no clue and lots of miss-information out there that could be very dangerous 🔥
Overall excellent video that should be watched by anyone entering the hobby! 👏 👏
I was able to get this charger with the Hota name on it for 62usd from China. Yes it is loud, but for the price it looks like a good deal to me.
You're reviews are always very thorough though it would be nice if you discussed the load capability of the balance feature. I purchased 4 of the small Toolkit charges based on reviews only to find that though they were powerful the balancer could only discharge less than 1 amp. So on a 5000 6s or parallel charging if one cell is off it takes forever for the charger to complete the balancing. Have gone back to my Ichargers for this reason. Thanks for the great reviews.
Hota p6 vs hobbymate d6 lite. Is there any difrences?
Thanks JB. While I don't have the charger, I totally agree about the downward trajectory of the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies 😂
Like you said if you are doing huge parallel arrays or massive batteries do the math to see if it's enough for you're specific needs. If you dont do those things it's plenty. One thing I wanted to add for the math doers out there is to consider switching losses. Efficiency of the charger is usually 65-90% depending on input and output voltage. This means input amps wont all make it to the battery so the input amp limit could be practically considered around 75% (conservatively) of whats stated.
Could make a difference if you were on the edge of it just barely being good enough for your needs.
Joshua Bardwell great video as always one tiny mispronunciation at 4:49 300W not 300A.
Magnets?!?! Now I feel like I have to have it :D
Still love my ISDT H605 for ultra small charger for traveling by plane
Hota p6 is same charger right? Compacting spec sheets iirc there was something different between the two but they both look the same.
HOTA and Hobbymate are made in the same factory just labeled differently.
I have the dual lite and the P6 (same unit). The Hobbymate will not charge Lithium Ion for some reason. The P6 does and both are on the same firmware.
Anyone else have this issue? I am fairly experienced with chargers. I have 2 Hota D6+, 1 D6 pro, 2 F6, 1 F6+, 1 S6, 1 P6 and the D6 lite in this video. All hota but the d6 lite Hobbymate version. The Hobbymate is the only one that has an issue with Lithium Ion.
Can you help me decide the difference between the D6 lite & the D6 dual port with no power supply please. I cant find much difference except for cell charger . Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks . .
Thank you very much for all your great videos.They are really well explained and helped me a lot! :)
How much charge power can you realistically get when using the 240W power supply? I assume less due to efficiency loss.
My guess is that the feet on the power supply are so you can tilt the whole thing when the two components are stacked.
I don`t get it. Your linked charger has 1600mah balance current but the one in banggood, which is the same but called HOTA P6, has only 1000mah balance current. Might there be difference of firmware or is it misspelled on one of the sites.
I started looking at that parameter because of one of your videos and couple of my batteries balance charge sooo long (ISDT Q6 and ToolkitRc M6).
Isn't external discharge mean to divert the wasted power to the lipo u are using to power the charger? And thus don't use a AC power supply but a lipo to run the charger to discharge to maybe a bigger 20000mah lipo to discharge your running quad lopos for storage
External discharge sends the wasted power through a load resistor. Regenerative discharge does what you are describing.
But the manual says it has regenerate discharge via USB C, not to lipo like the TookitRC M8, but it has something rather then pouring the excess into a resistor to do nothing but get hot and dangerous if not done properly, goto c-batt bank or resistor?
Hi Joshua, does the ReGen Discharge dump the power back to the large battery while making sure the source battery discharges balanced at storage capacity?. I have a large 10,000mah 6S battery that I carry with me along with the Hota D6 Pro to charge batteries offline at the field. When I return home, I then dump excess charges from unused batteries back to my large 10,000 mah battery using my Hota D6 Pro, I do this by plugging in unused batteries on the back of the HOTA D6 Pro and the large battery on the front, the only bad thing is that I have to monitor the input voltage so I can disconnect it when it reaches 14.8, then I put the battery back on the front of the charger to balance the cells with outlet power.
That's pretty slick and a reasonable price.Great review/tutorial.
time marker 10:25 - spent ages trying to figure this out. Solution, just sold the charger and bought a Q200.
Q200 is a disappointment. Try charging on any channel at faster than 6.2 Amps on a 2S. It can't do it without derating another channel. It shares amperage, but you have to manually adjust it. 50W max, per channel, by default on AC power. I regret buying the Q200. It's fine for charging a bunch of smaller batteries, like 1500mAh up to 6S, but if you have large RC car batteries (I have a few 7600mAh 2s packs), it's a let down. Cheapo HTRC dual charger is cheaper to buy two of them, and up to 10A per channel.
@@dirtfpv ah fair enough. i’m only charging 6s 1100’s and the occasional 4s 1500
i just like having 4 ports, as im not a fan of parallel charging
@@danimalthefirst Same. That's why I bought the Q200. I started with the HTRC and thought it'd be awesome to add the Q200, especially for the bluetooth connectivity and battery barcodes, but I end up using the HTRC for the larger packs and any parallel charging. If I could go back I'd just buy 2 more of the HTRC chargers.
@@dirtfpv That bluetooth is a bt of a waste of time right? Works for about 3 feet away, so what's the point! And th4 bar codes - more faff than it's worth. Plus I'm usually always charging the same sort of packs,
JB,I bought a 1000 watt ac/dc p/s for $24.00 and a ISDT T8 1000 watts for $100.00 and I can do four good size lipos at once. No comparison amigo.
Josh, Bro... my man, pass the Dutchie on de leff hand side
huh
Great review, Joshua! 😃
Looks like a pretty nice charger! But... Are you going to switch? 🤔
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I think I will keep the Duo Pro for the bench but may be leave the Lite in my car.
@@JoshuaBardwell That's not a bad idea! 😊
Great review of modern Star Trek movies..... And some stuff on chargers I guess.
Absolutely, #3 WTF were they thinking??? Oh yeah and some good stuff on battery chargers too.
Aghhhhh missed first..... but number one fan haha
ok so the things that JB said about balancing are very important and EVERYONE should check the manuals for their chargers as i have a tenergy t6b charger and ruined 4 20 dollar lipos because i was on the "charge" mode which just pumps power and will never balance. i have since switch to the balance mode which charges and then balances so be careful yall!
For the external discharge function does the battery need to be within the minimum input voltage to work or can it be used for 2s lipos as well?
Man I really need to upgrade my charging setup...Soon! This charger looks neat.
I just recently discovered your channel and I love it! I don’t fly drones, I run r/c cars though . I watched both reviews , this one and the d6 duo pro. My question is: how accurate are both these chargers(d6 and the lite)? Especially when setting the cell voltage to 4.1 or 4.15v for example? Also do you need to balance charge when charging the end/cell voltage like I mentioned? Thank you.
Hi id just about made my mind up on the hobbymate d6 pro then iv seen the hota d6 pro plus do you have any knowledge on this model before i buy thanks
Thank you!! Great review as always.
Can you tell me are both chargers comparable with 240v 50hz?
I picked up the up6+ but it hangs at 98% charging. It took 20 mins to get to 98% charge 7800mah at 1c but nothing else happens after 40 mins, is this typical@
It has a similar feature set to the Toolkit RC M6D Duo, which is my charger of choice right now. I'd be tempted to add this to my arsenal for more charging capability, but man the noise level would kill me, and certainly loses the 'spousal acceptance factor'. I think the M6D does regenerative discharging too btw.
correct, depends what 'input' setting you choose
your thumbnails have been on point lately hahahaha
hell of a lot more comprehensive review than my Hota P6 first look...
did you find the controls to as high quality as the D6 Duo?
jog wheel and ch selector button seem a slight notch below the D6 Duo quality,
still much better than most.
And I love the regen mode to bring all my batteries to storage level.
I dump them into a big 4s 5200Mah I have for my sitting here for my Nomad.
silent and fast when you charge too many batteries for a trip with kids.
I'm also looking for a silent PSU 24v+
I bought the RDQ 400w unit.
Hi, my x220s hover and flies well but when i punch the throttle the drone flips and fall
thanks, but what do you think about the TOOLKIT ? is it the same quality almost and the functions is 1:1 the same .?
11:50 why couldnt you just plug a battery you want to discharge into the dc input and plug a dead battery into the charging port and charge it at whatever you want? why the need for regen discharge?
Hi JB, get stuff as usual, but you said 300A at 5mins, you meant 300W. need to do Joshua from the future or overlay..
Can you use a xt60 splitter and add 2 of these psu making the thing just a little bit taller?
Thanks for this review. This is the right choice for me.
I wish, I could find a reseller in europe :-(
Imho this is the most versatile charger/power supply over all. I really love the possibility to also only use it as a power supply for eg the soldering iron. Great Idea! Very useful to me. (or is it "for me"?)
i have both chargers here -- and i think with the m6d SYNCRONOUS mode, it has a big edge over the d6 duo, specialy if u are charing 10+ bats in parellel, and only have one of the 24v 400w rmrc psu's... if i was recommending a charger i think it would be the m6d as of today. the d6 has some cool features like acting like a bench powersupply etc. but the syncronous mode on m6d, lets u use even 12v and get 15+amps per channel, if your psu can handle it...
The D6 Dual Lite also has a synchronous mode. FWIW.
The only thing I would say there is there's something to be said for venerated reliability though. Hobbymate/HOTA chargers have that. There's been enough problems with past ToolkitRC chargers that I'm not entirely sure I'd want to use one considering any lack of reliability and proper operation could literally result in a house fire. Arguably, the one item in this hobby where reliability is the absolute #1 most important thing is your LIPO charger.
@@JoshuaBardwell I actually JUST updated my d6 duo pro -- and it DOES have sync charge too!! woohoo lol.
@@heroflying true that. And I do love my d6 pro
I have the HOTA D6 and the fan always runs, even without charging.
Sweet ive just about bought the bigger charger a few times
One thing that bugs me about Hobbymate and Hota chargers is the poorly thought out menu selections under the task category. They have “power supply, charge, discharge, ext discharge, storage, and balance”. This is where I love the simplicity of an iSDT charger as they have only charge, discharge, and storage which is what I use 99.9% of the time. At least Hobbymate could put a little thought into the UI and list the most common tasks at the top of the list, or better yet an option to select which tasks we want displayed.
What the heck to people use to charge larger 6S 14Ah-22Ah LiPo batteries? I don't want a tiny little 100w travel charger, I need one for my home to charge a ride on toy car battery... Are there literally NO good AC LiPo battery chargers available? Is my only option one of these DC chargers and a 24v Server Power Supply? Crazy...
there are some things i dont like about this charger that nobody seems to mention. first you cant turn off menu beeps without also turning off the charge done alarm. second you cant change each channels settings independently without first starting a task on one battery which is very annoying and silly. may they will fix this on an update but its been a year since your review and they have not. i guess im just use to my turnigy reaktor 2x300 and icharger 106b+ which has far more features and in my opinion superior to the d6 dual lite minus the lihv.
@8:00 you forgot to spit the wattage between the channels.
(240w/2 channels)/16.8v=7.1A
That said, it should still be plenty.
Just a note for people who use "car batteries" to charge lipos. It's a bad idea unless you have the engine running. Car batteries are not designed to be discharged and recharged on a regular basis. They are meant to be charged all the time, and provide large amounts of current for starting a vehicle. If you want to do this the right way, always buy a deep cycle battery. Problem is that deep cycle batteries aren't always designed to provide huge cold cranking amps for car starting.
Personally I leave the engine idling unless I'm charging basically like one or two packs at most.
@@JoshuaBardwell That's definitely the way to do it. A few packs are fine, but an afternoon at the air field on a regular basis could be problematic.
At 4:49 did you mean to say 300W/channel rather than 300A/channel.😁
That fan on the PSU is a real mistake. If it would only ramp up when charging, they you could leave the charger on all the time and not really notice. With the fan noise you'll always have to unplug it when not in use.
Hi
Why You are not commeting new dji fpv combo foto leaks? I bet you are testing it.
Can i use a corsair 650watt pc psu as an ac power supply?
Can I get 360 watts out of the M6D on 12v?
Hi joshua can i ask what is the best charger for your opinion?
And does Hota d6 plus is better than Hota d6 duo pro
@SquishinStix thanks for nice reply. But its been 2 years since he review it. And i think you misunderstand my second question i was asking is (Hota d6 duo+ the one that nurk fpv uses) is it better than (Hota d6 duo pro)
I use 32700 7000mah on 6s as a power bank.
oh wow jj abrams...lol spot on
Does watts = charging speed? I have a skyrc D100 and its supper slow, only going up to 100 watts
Yes, basically. More watts means faster charging, as long as you stay below the safe charging speed of your battery.
Joshua, what you think of m8s from toolkitrc?
Great review. lol but what calculator app is that?
So what is the brand Hota of de D6 dual on Banggood then? A knockoff?
They are made in the same factory. Not a knock off. Just 2 identical products with different name
At 4.45 you said 300 amp charger insteed of 300 watt
8:54 "more power to you" -- pun intended?
Did you manage to get your car fixed after the whoopsy?
Can you purchase just that power supply? And what voltage does it output?
I'm not sure if you can purchase it separately. It outputs 19v.
I know this response is late, but the power supply can definitely be purchased separately and the output voltage is actually 29 volts, not 19.
But can it run Crysis..
300 watts divided by 16.8 volts equals 17.85 amps.
1500 4s (standard lipo size for a 5 inch drone).... max charge rate 1.5 amps. (Never charge over 1c.)
17.85 amps > 1.5 amps.
Yes. 300 watts is enough. Way more than you'll ever need for a 5" class drone.
Can you even actually use the 600 watts? Sounds like it'd melt the XT60 calbes
60amp, at 12V that's 720W already
@@RomainCavallini Are you saying these cables can handle 60 amps continuously?
@@BeefIngot my bad, i thought xt60 was 60amp continuously, but you have me a doubt, double checked, 30amp continuous, 60amp max,
Soooo, you would need to be at 20Volt to be able to draw 600W, still very doable, 24V lead acid, or 22V lipo big packs are pretty common :)
@@RomainCavallini What the heck to people use to charge larger 6S 14Ah-22Ah LiPo batteries? I don't want a tiny little 100w travel charger, I need one for my home to charge a ride on toy car battery... Are there literally NO good AC LiPo battery chargers available? Is my only option one of these DC chargers and a 24v Server Power Supply? Crazy...
Just wanted to drop a comment
Holy crap I’m earlier than La Drib is to a makeup release
Hahahaha - The truth is real
Ill stick with my iChargers.... small and light, but can output a h*ll of a lot of juice! buy once, cry once.
Exactly, couldn't agree more. Just wait for sales I got my 308Duo few years ago for $210; 1300w and built like a tank, couldn't be happier.
I agree. The one thing I don't cheap out on is chargers. Revolectrix chargers is my preferred brand.
take a shot every time jb says feaking!
HOTA and Hobbymate are the same thing
Deja vu
JB, Ever consider being a teacher or professor?
He used to be
He is to us!
Keep in mind HOTA brand of the same thing of the D6 Duo Pro for $118. Nobody should spend $150 on the Hobbymate D6 Duo Pro ever ever ever ever ever.
Good point.
First
@4:49 300amp per channel - yup definitely will roast some lipos with that output.
Don’t need it but, magnets...Magnets
made me laugh while I learnt something