Could Tua Tagovailoa hold out?; QB contracts analysis (Full PFT PM) | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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- In this edition of PFT PM, Mike Florio explores how "old money" factors into modern NFL quarterback contracts, whether Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa could be a no-show at Miami's training camp and the upcoming collusion grievance over fully-guaranteed QB contracts going to trial. To wrap things up, Florio highlights the latest in the Sunday Ticket decision timeline before he opens the mailbag to answer fan questions. #NBCSports #ProFootballTalk #nfl
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Could Tua Tagovailoa hold out?; QB contracts analysis (Full PFT PM) | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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:Paying Tua makes absolute sense for the Phins. There are no QBs out there in the NFL that might come to Miami that are better than Tua and none in the college ranks in the draft assuming they make the playoffs this year. Tua like many QBs is a work in progress and has shown significant growth. My issue with the Miami front office is their neglect in upgrading the OL in a significant way.
Lmao hold out? Dude flopped after halfway through the season. TDs came fewer and far between. Then a no show in playoffs. Yeah hold out lol
I tried telling them
don matter. He is a starting QB. Whether he actually deserves it or not, he will get paid because it is just his turn in line.
@@SkunkLifeMedia agreed 🤙🏼❤️🐬🫡 we gotta win the division at least fam
He ain’t getting paid any 50mil, he’ll be lucky if they offer 40 a year, let him sit out, they’ll just call back FitzMagic and he’ll do better
As a Bolts fan I absolutely love Tua , without him the Dolphins would have drafted Herbert !!!!
Funny.
As a Dolohins fans I totally concur with this! Thank the Lawd what u described did not happen. Herbert = Tannehill 2.0 😂
@@siddreddy1416Tua is Mac Jones with shoe polish
Checkdown Chokebert
@@siddreddy1416 Herbert been breaking passing records with crappy coaches his whole career. Tua got the best receiver duo in the league and still can’t beat teams with winning records or play anywhere decent when it’s under 50 degrees
Tua holding out would be hilarious. He’s not worth much.
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Yeah only about 60 million a year.
@@MarkFowler-tu2cn 😂😂😂 riiiight
@@MarkFowler-tu2cnthat would be amazing if they gave him $60 million per... it would guarantee they ain't winning a goddamn thing during the duration of that contract :•O
@@MarkFowler-tu2cnhis career passer rating is 97.1, but it drops to 63.9 in the playoffs. Definitely not worth $60 million
Maybe their back up is capable of winning in the cold, and would the team really notice any significant decline if he did hold out? Let him, he's only harming his own value as a player.
Thanks for the opening segment. People are so ignorant to it.
I agree, 16 team playoffs make much more sense in a 32 team comp. No bye's, no excuses. 6 regular season games playing home and away teams in your division. 12 regular season games playing other teams in conference. Superbowl is the only game between conferences. It makes sense in terms of competition integrity - That is not a factor for the NFL despite their words to the contrary. I live in hope.
Thanks for sharing.
The NFL and UFL need to create a loan style system like soccer has. Send your practice squad and pseudo redshirt guys to play 10 games in the ufl and get some reps in.
Thanks for still doing these videos Mike
Let him explore a trade
" Will it cause him to recuse himself?" Good one, Florio 😂😂
Dolphins had a chance to bring in Joe Milton as a back up to Tua. Dolphins refuse to challenge Tua with a quality back up QB. How can the Dolphins be so narrow minded as to only roll with Tua?
Either sign it or play on the 5th year
The last 2 years 153 million for Lawrence are also not guaranteed, they are club options, so it is really 27 million a year for 5 years.
Imagine an o-lineman who is getting beaten up to protect some prima Donna who’s making five times what you are making. Or the running back getting thumped 250 times a season for a prima Donna making six times what you are making. Or the defensive players who’ll never make a third of what the prima Donna is getting. NFL owners are doing their best to destroy locker room culture. 66 quarterbacks took NFL snaps in regular season games last year. The other players have to be fed up.
Same thing with the receivers at this point. Ayuk throwing a hissy fit bc he is basically making what mcafferry is making this season. Not even a top 10 receiver and acts like he should get jj money bc his contract which he is till under can be extended. I'm sick of hearing them act like they are disrespected when they are getting what would take a normal person hundreds of years to earn.
well, it sounds like college football is for both of you, so then go & enjoy your college football & bye-bye...
Not that any nfl player would ever see this but know if they ever went on strike I would not consume a single piece of nfl content until it was resolved. I will not cross a picket line and I like to imagine many in this country feel the same
Damn right. They put their body’s on the line for the game. I support players getting all the money they can while they can! 🫡
@@ViNCENT-vm5sl word!
This is what's wrong with the NFL . Paying all these players $43.7 / $55 million dollars a year who can't even get to the playoffs or lose in the first or second round. It use to be to demand big money they needed to win Championships or at least one. 🏈
No it wasn't lol. It's always been the market is the market
@@allabouttheu2182 What ?? Is the market is the market ?? In English please. 🤣
It actually used to be rookies got the most money
@@rzawistowski33 true. I remember when rookies got all the money. All it would take is a couple of QBs to ruin it (the qb position) and they wont be the highest paid players anymore.
You had to be a top 5 pick like today and nothing was garunteed up until like 2010@rzawistowski33
As far as I’m concerned the only money that’s valid on an NFL contract is the guaranteed money
as a member of media fine accept 18 games push for extended roster ask for extra bye weeek but DONT push for fewer preseason games....that is what builds the fkn team allows fringe players to MAKE the rosters
Did he just say that the panel that hears the case could Go to 8 if Thomas recuses himself? Does the US Supreme Court sit in panels with an even number of justices? Seems odd.
50 mill. Five years you're talking 100 mill.
Florio's not wrong, just look at Hennepin County in Minnesota look at that DA
I think you have a backwards. They are contractually obligated to the old money. So the relevant part is the new money.
28:12 if more games are added and rosters eventually expand to 55 or more, how would that affect the salary cap ? they would have to pay more guys with theoretically the same amount of money, so wouldnt contracts have to drop off to account for this ?
Salary cap is rising every year.
Tank for Arch Manning
S.Sanders in 2025
I want arch in the giants please
Tua is standing on his record just don't break it dow winning teams vs non winning teams
Don’t forget Above 48 degrees and Below 48 degrees games.
He has beaten over 10 teams that were above .500 in his career. That narrative literally only applies to one season. He had a winning record against teams with a .500+ record through his first 3 seasons. He has also played some pretty great games in freezing and snowy weather in his career, and the team still lost the games, for reasons neither he nor anyone else you could put in his position, would’ve changed the outcome of those games. Just like every QB in the history of the sport, he’s gonna have a bad game from time to time and, it’s usually more likely to happen in games against the best teams. Because that makes more sense than playing your worst games of the season against the worst teams that you face. Who in their right mind would prefer to have the guy who plays bad against bad teams? If you’re planning on winning enough to make the playoffs, you usually play more teams with a worse record than the record you need to have, than the number of teams you will play with an equal or better record than yours. There are few teams who end up with 10+ wins. Most teams have to have a losing season, because of the few who do the best.
@@HawgWyldFishing As a lifelong JETS fan we naturally rib the Fish QB, however, with a comment with that much passion ---I'll go silent or give thumbs up on Tua's contract negotiations.
@@HawgWyldFishingtuas career record vs playoff teams is like 3 and 17 or something and his record in December is just as bad. He couldn't lock down the division with a 3 game lead and only 5 weeks left in the season and the only game in his CAREER that he was able to beat Buffalo it was the hottest day in the month of September south florida had seen in like 50 years and buffalos entire team was out of the same by the 4th.... he's what 1-7 career vs buffalo? Wasn't available for their wild card match from 2 years ago..
Stop apologizing for tua. He's a noodle armed 1 read glass QB who's 1 concussion away from an early retirement and has never won a big game in his NFL career. Despite having chances. Couldn't beat buffalos backups in week 17 back in 2020.
@@JohnDoe-kh6mtmic DROPPED!!
Season is long enough we don't need any more games.
I wish Tua all the best, but wouldn’t it be kinda hilarious if he did sit out indefinitely and the Dolphins bring back Ryan Tannehill, and he plays so well that they stick with him regardless? 😂 Unlikely I know, but who saw Flacco’s performance coming last year!?
brilliant thought!! that would be epic...
I said this before but I’ll say it again tua is only 26 if I’m tua
I’m asking for 80% of contract to be fully guaranteed if I’m taking 45ML per year
So let’s say he takes a 135ML 3 year deal I’m asking for 115ML fully guaranteed
Or a 4 year deal at 49ML per year 196ML with a 175ML guaranteed
Then tua hits free agency at 30 in if he gets injured or decides not to play football anymore he would be set for life financially.
That’s what I’m doing if I’m tua I’ll take 49ML per year but I want most of it fully guaranteed if not I won’t be wearing a dolphin helmet this season
30:22 who cares though it makes so much money it doesn’t matter it literally does not matter. This is not just a problem with money but everything in America we don’t know when to stop. We don’t know when it’s like it’s OK we can just leave things away. They are not everything is about making as much money as you fucking can
This man is further left than Bernie Sanders
Dak, kirk, tua, lawerence, carr , not even worth$ 30 million
I know you r joking about ur memory, but I have to say that u should be thankful cuz I lost my mom to Alzheimer's she died at 54. Just please keep that in mind.
00:24 Oh man, Florio will be a pilgrim in an unholy land bc of his very vocal campaign to crucify the Falcons over the tampering charges. 😂
Everyone gives Trevor a freebie for his first year... but Tua doesn't? He had a coach who hated him! Flo literally tried to destroy Tua's career
Yeah… he hated him because she knew he wasn’t an elite qb and not what the team needed… lmao. You don’t see headcoaches hating actual franchise qb’s
My God, can you hear yourself in the unknowable demensiona?
Why would Tua hold out? The only thing that does is cost him money that’s fully guaranteed already, as long as he shows up. It’s also the single most lucrative year of his rookie contract thus far in his career. None of his rookie contract has paid him as much as this 1 year is going to. Why would he hold out and cost himself money? That’s not using any of your leverage as a player, to put pressure on anything but your own bank account. He isn’t that stupid or that poorly advised. Then, after losing money, and even if he held out every game for the season, then he’s still just gonna be stuck in Miami until he does show up enough to meet the contract requirements anyways. If he shows up and only does what he needs to, he gets paid for it this year and then either he gets paid to play somewhere else next year, or gets paid to play in Miami.
Tua don't show up oh well bye and I'll fine his azz every day he misses
Im with the agents on this florio. There's a reason they call them extensions. Yes, it is technically a whole new contract. We get that.
But the oart thats being negotiated is usually the new money part and both aides generally go in saying "we'll start with the remaining years and add in from there'.
The thing is youre looking at it from the owners perspective with the money. And if you look at it that way, sure Trevor has a 45/yr deal not 55.
But from a salary cap perspective, which is what fans and gms care about, the extension part is 55/yr. The next ywo years were already locked in. So the extension years are what count.
You get push back from yhe Internet about this because nobody gives a flying fuck about yhe owner's bottom line. They care about the effect on their team's salary cap. Amd in that context 55/yr is theore relevant number because thats what gets charged to the cap (not withstanding certain years being balloon years or aigning bonus restructures or whatever).
He should hold out from his barber
Really when have we ever had a choice? Reagan ended the homestead act. Reagan ushered in the the Jimmy Carter national school board. Weren't we only second to Australia in 1979 in public education then?
How the mighty have fallen 😮
@@Robert-gs4xkdude, you replied to your own post... holy f'in trainwreck.
Tua wants money that will let him buy part of an island in Hawaii.
How about Maui?
Tua being as delusional as he is salty
Remember when Football wasn't governed by entitled players.
I haven't watched it and I already know that dude mentions Tyreek Hill
So did they pay Prince cheap or what? You are playing both aides
How is he playing both sides? It’s relatively cheap for a young QB
@@colecaine. he goes back and forth on it, saying Tuas contract will be similar and the jags bid against themselves while simultaneously saying he got paid less than it really looks like and it’s a great deal so which is it Chris
Love all the legal talk Mike. I’m not a Lawyer,but, in another life I was 😅
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Tomorrow’s headline: ‘Mike Florio found dead in a river. Roger Goodell says “snitches get stitches”, but the NFL will investigate the incident without the help of the justice system.’
SCOTUS: we see nothing wrong here.
that's dark, weirdo...
LOL, Democrats are pro individual? Stick with Sports, Mr. Florio!
Yes democrats are pro individual. Why do you think that's funny?
I love when liberals say subjective things objectively, especially when it’s completely backwards and makes their delusions seem justified. 💀 🤡
Saying a bunch of words and thinking you're smart is foolish. None of what you said makes any sense at all. Just thought I should point that out
Never unsubscribed faster when I hear someone promote Joe Rogan and part time fascism
It wasnt joe rogan- it is a miami radio host whose name sounds like "joe rogan"
Florio, please stop hating on Republicans and Republican-appointed judges. First, you say you don't care if you vote Republican or Democrat, and then allude to Republicans being ignorant for voting Republican should they ever end up in court. Second, sometimes the business is in the right and sometimes the individual is in the right. Third, judges are supposed to be overall impartial and, while we have seen the latest Supreme Court have a conservative bent to their beliefs, we have seen judges uphold a case or strike it down depending on the presentation of the facts - even when it strikes against their bent.
This is a baby brained understanding of the political and legal system. Florio is 100% right. Judges are absolutely not impartial
@@jasonvernoff6892 It is a spectrum.
Way to prove the point, lol
I thought I’d post about Republicans believing in an alternative set of “facts,” but you unironically demonstrated that, right down to the “both-sides-ism.”
Florio's stance is Republican judges/politicians are more loyal to business interests. Funny how he leaves out the fact that Democrat judges/politicians are more loyal to government interests. Thinking one will be protected by voting Democrat when it comes to the individual versus the government is a fool hardy ploy, especially for the average joe. And it's funny, the modern day Democratic party seems quite loyal to big businesses when they agree politically, whether its Google, Facebook, Disney, the list goes on.
This all this channle does iis talk about Grown Folks contracts. not football smh
Yo are 5 for 5 bro We will take it.. safe travels all of you🤙🏼❤️🐬🫡
Lets face the truth here tua is an average plus player his bad side is he cant perform in cold weather basicly tua sucks in buffalo, in KC, in new york any cold weather non dome he sucks nothing more to say ....
Supply and demand.
"he can't perform in cold weather..." aka shrinkage :•O
It’s funny yall said Teddy was better. You said Fitzmagic was better. You said Skylar was better.
Then you said he can’t beat good teams or other good qbs but he beat:
Jackson x2
Allen
Goff x2
Herbert x2
Prescott
Murray
Wilson
Young
But yall right he can’t play… oh wait he’s top5 in every qb category… but he sucks lmaoooo
Dolphins fans… yall gotta realize they hate the Dolphins… we could have the best qb ever, they will say he sucks. Yall agreeing with the enemy is wild. 🫡🐬
TuAnon is alive & ummm, well?
Yikes. You think tua is a top 5 QB......