Shelley Long's acting here is incredible. The expression with her eyes and eyebrows, the amount her mouth is open, and how it all changes slightly throughout the story. She works at this level in every single episode with her expressions when she's not talking. Total master class.
I, too, wasn't expecting the speech to be fake. Like Dianne, I was surprised (pleasantly) that he made it up to prove a point. I will never forget that moment. Greatest....comeback....ever!
Like Kirstie, but NO ONE compared to the comic genius of Long (Diane). It used to make me nuts when people said she was AS good or better. I thought are you f'ing kidding me???
@@missygoldstein12 Alley, In My Opinion, is just as good as Shelley Long. They both have Emmys to prove it. I think Kirstie had the greater challenge of making a role funny that the writers kinda botched and never nailed down. That doesn't take away what Shelley brought to her role. NO ONE could've played Diane better. That was HER role.
There’s also a scene in a later season where Diane writes Sam quite a letter. It’s not quite 18 pages (front and back) but it made me wonder if that was in the back of their (the writers) minds.
I feel like the writers of the show probably got rejected by a woman, went home and thought of the perfect comeback while they were in the shower, and that what this scene is. A man with a bruised ego's fantasy of getting back at the woman that was too smart for them. Lol
@@oliverwalker2723 lol, not trying to incite a gender war. Just saying, we've all been burned by someone, and this scene totally plays out like the daydreams we all imagine while in the shower where we come out on top and have the perfect insult/comeback.
If I were to watch this scene without having seen the show, I would totally agree, but I personally feel secure in assuming that this wasn’t the case, because I think a lot of love was put into writing Diane’s character in season one. She and Sam were always at arms with each other, and they each had their strengths/weaknesses, but it always felt like they were on equal footing. In later seasons Diane would go sort of off the rocker, character wise, but early on the writers wanted her to be a genuine, intelligent, and likeable woman
You better watch the show or at least this episode cause you are way off base. The point wasn’t to demonstrate a scenario of getting back at any intelligent woman it was one of many bouts between Sam and Diane. Diane is the one who started the confrontation to begin with due to Sam relying on simple pick up lines and good looks. So Sam went ahead and demonstrated at the end that wasn’t the case. If anything this should humble any intelligent girl out there cause there are guys who can pull this off like Sam instead of arrogantly thinking they are immune to all charms.
I loved this show, still do. But the writers did seem to have a problem with women. They were all annoying and hard to respect. Diane and Rebecca were never made to appear right. The guys found them to be insufferable but you could always understand why and not so with the women. So much arm candy in the minor female characters, not with the male ones. Even Carla was a caricature and nasty. Doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the series, but it is what it is.
Let's look at the way the show depicted its male characters. Sam was a recovering alcoholic and inveterate skirt-chaser with a mammoth Peter Pan syndrome. Coach and Woody were both basically morons, loveable morons, but morons nonetheless. Norm was a fat slacker content to do nothing with his life. Cliff was an incel weirdo with it a know-it-all complex. Frazier was a smug yuppie who himself seemed to have some alcoholic tendencies. All extremely flawed characters. Why shouldn't the female characters likewise be imperfect?
The "will they won't they?" aspect of Cheers is my least favorite part of the show. It gets far too mean-spirited for my taste. See Futurama to understand how it's done right.
Or The Office. They so wisely (and gratifyingly) never dragged on the Ross and Rachel stuff. It was why I never liked Friends. It always seemed to be written purely for the advertisers, just to hook people like idiot fish
Shelley Long's acting here is incredible. The expression with her eyes and eyebrows, the amount her mouth is open, and how it all changes slightly throughout the story. She works at this level in every single episode with her expressions when she's not talking. Total master class.
Brilliantly written, brilliantly acted. Some shows go years without a scene this great, amazing that this was the second ever episode
The way she drinks that shot at the end 😂😂😂
I, too, wasn't expecting the speech to be fake. Like Dianne, I was surprised (pleasantly) that he made it up to prove a point. I will never forget that moment. Greatest....comeback....ever!
On the Mount Rushmore of greatest shows of all time.
This is one of my most favorite Cheers bits
What makes Sam's apparent sincerity so great is that we, as the audience, are fooled by it just as much as Diane is.
To be fair her eyes are beautiful
I love these 2!
I love how Sam proved Diane was as capable of falling for his schtick as any woman around....he got her good this time..
This was one of my favorite episodes.
Sam often did the “talk and drink” thing. Good stuff.
Forty years later it still stand up.
Ah so Jack of All Trades nicked this gag xD I bought it too tbh lol
Sammy! Sammy! Sammy! Sammy!
I took me a couple of seconds to get that. 🤔
😂😂 I told you I can make them all like me😜
Ol sammy must drink ten pots of coffee a day
Could not write those lines for whiney Rebecca
Yes, good writers tailor their dialogue to fit different characters.
Alley was a great actress and Rebecca was a great character her writing was just inconsistent
Like Kirstie, but NO ONE compared to the comic genius of Long (Diane). It used to make me nuts when people said she was AS good or better. I thought are you f'ing kidding me???
@@missygoldstein12 Alley, In My Opinion, is just as good as Shelley Long. They both have Emmys to prove it. I think Kirstie had the greater challenge of making a role funny that the writers kinda botched and never nailed down. That doesn't take away what Shelley brought to her role. NO ONE could've played Diane better. That was HER role.
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This is like Joeys backpacking story…
That's exactly what I thought
There’s also a scene in a later season where Diane writes Sam quite a letter. It’s not quite 18 pages (front and back) but it made me wonder if that was in the back of their (the writers) minds.
@@spacegirl7311 No, Joey's backpacking story is like this.
Joey? Never heard of her.
Cant wait to do this to a girl i cant stanf lol.
Diane was intelligent, and she was also not wise. She fell for Sam.
I feel like the writers of the show probably got rejected by a woman, went home and thought of the perfect comeback while they were in the shower, and that what this scene is. A man with a bruised ego's fantasy of getting back at the woman that was too smart for them. Lol
Found the butthurt woman.
@@oliverwalker2723 lol, not trying to incite a gender war. Just saying, we've all been burned by someone, and this scene totally plays out like the daydreams we all imagine while in the shower where we come out on top and have the perfect insult/comeback.
If I were to watch this scene without having seen the show, I would totally agree, but I personally feel secure in assuming that this wasn’t the case, because I think a lot of love was put into writing Diane’s character in season one. She and Sam were always at arms with each other, and they each had their strengths/weaknesses, but it always felt like they were on equal footing. In later seasons Diane would go sort of off the rocker, character wise, but early on the writers wanted her to be a genuine, intelligent, and likeable woman
@@milkplus7876 that's interesting, thanks for elaborating. I haven't seen the show so my assumption was just based off this scene only.
You better watch the show or at least this episode cause you are way off base. The point wasn’t to demonstrate a scenario of getting back at any intelligent woman it was one of many bouts between Sam and Diane. Diane is the one who started the confrontation to begin with due to Sam relying on simple pick up lines and good looks. So Sam went ahead and demonstrated at the end that wasn’t the case. If anything this should humble any intelligent girl out there cause there are guys who can pull this off like Sam instead of arrogantly thinking they are immune to all charms.
/r/MenWriting(Intelligent)Women
Gender is a social construct or something.
Ohhh..Please..Sam At Best BS
I loved this show, still do. But the writers did seem to have a problem with women. They were all annoying and hard to respect. Diane and Rebecca were never made to appear right. The guys found them to be insufferable but you could always understand why and not so with the women. So much arm candy in the minor female characters, not with the male ones. Even Carla was a caricature and nasty. Doesn't diminish my enjoyment of the series, but it is what it is.
Let's look at the way the show depicted its male characters. Sam was a recovering alcoholic and inveterate skirt-chaser with a mammoth Peter Pan syndrome. Coach and Woody were both basically morons, loveable morons, but morons nonetheless. Norm was a fat slacker content to do nothing with his life. Cliff was an incel weirdo with it a know-it-all complex. Frazier was a smug yuppie who himself seemed to have some alcoholic tendencies. All extremely flawed characters.
Why shouldn't the female characters likewise be imperfect?
The men were the same though, they were all losers-that was the point.
Yeah coz Cliff was never the butt of the joke, right?
@@spenser9908 as was frasier and even sam was often mocked for his lack of intelligence
@@shanefolan9175 Feminists can shape anything to fit their victim narrative.
Hell yea, he totally tricked that waitress into falling in love and then pulled the rug out from under her. My kind of manipulator.
Hey guys, I found one of those people that dislike every video because it offends them somehow.
You must be from Reddit?
@@zunnfix8295 oh, you thought I was being sarcastic. Actually, I'm literally a manipulator and womanizer. I literally meant what I wrote.
@@normalpsychology "I'm literally a manipulator" ok dope Mr *Normal Psychology* lmao
The "will they won't they?" aspect of Cheers is my least favorite part of the show. It gets far too mean-spirited for my taste. See Futurama to understand how it's done right.
Or The Office. They so wisely (and gratifyingly) never dragged on the Ross and Rachel stuff. It was why I never liked Friends. It always seemed to be written purely for the advertisers, just to hook people like idiot fish
I suppose if you have microscopically thin skin it would seem harsh