How Math Teacher Wins at Casino Craps (Craps Betting Strategy)
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- How Math Teacher Wins at Casino Craps (Craps Betting Strategy) is the latest episode of Dice Advice series where viewers submit their favorite craps betting strategies. Today a math teacher that likes to play the dark side, don't pass and lay bets, shares his knowledge of dice probabilities and house edge to see if he can color up .
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I love this strategy. It has definitely been one of most consistent ones. I love to play it on those Roll to Win machines because other players have no idea you're full on dark side cuz they are so focused on their monitors and getting their bets in.
You do a great job with your videos...been a while since I watched you...particularly like the way you added the current calculations in the top left corner of the screen...thanks Color UP!
Thanks...and welcome back :)
I had played the dark side & been burned by the come-out 7 plenty of times. Laying the 4 OR 10 makes sense.
Agreed. Which is why i now play the don't come instead of the don't pass. So i wait for the point to be established and just put money on the don't come. That way I don't care if the point is hit (so till going with the table), and still get a chance to win on the come out 7. I use the Stearn method with my don't come bet. It's only 1 don't come bet per shooter. I don't have multiple numbers on the don't.
I've been burned virtually every time I laid the 4. 😵💫 Now I'm chicken...
@@iptvclub1575 You know that a Don't Come bet is the same as a Don't Pass bet, right?
@@jimklemens5018 of course but a don’t pass bet can never win on a come out seven (because it already fell, and you would lose on any come out seven if you replaced it). If you have a don’t come and have a number made, after the point is established, you would win on a come out 7 (as long as it didn’t fall). The point is that I have seen many rolls where there were a lot of come out 7s
@@iptvclub1575 Ummm... a 7 can roll right after you make a Don't Come bet.
I love that you win all your bets at once on Dark side strats.
and only lose one number at a time....
Hey Jeremy, I don't know if I ever mentioned this before, but I LOVE the way you call out certain numbers and I think you would make a GREAT dealer!
17:04 "no strategy is foolproof" ... proceeds to win DP and lays. XD great vid!
Thats real similar to how I play. I try to avoid busy tables. 1 because its probably a hot table. 2 so that I dont have so many people giving me the evil eye for playing with the 7. However you'd be surprised how many people think you want a 10 or 4 to come.
LOL!!!
Of course you play the dark side and the box numbers come up every time lol. Barely any 7s and still very little losses. I'll definitely give this one a shot
I've enjoyed every one of your videos, they really are the best ones out there explaining a game that for many is really complicated. Keep it up! Greetings from Ecuador.
Glad you like them!
It is amazing that when you want a 7, you get everything but. Murphys law? You play a box number strategy and 7-out every time. Gambling, eh! Both your video and presentation are very professional, also loving the win/loss count you add. Makes it easy to track.
This is great for cold tables and shooters that fling the dice all over the place.
there is no such thing as dice control. it is impossible.
Or for delusional shooters
Who think they have any better chance
So it's great for cold tables.
EXACTLY!!!!
I HATE those kinds of shooters since I am a pro-shooter type of bettor!!!
I know this is an older video, but this strategy is good if you have enough bankroll to hold on during the repeat points. Hedging the hard 4/10 also reduces your risk from a shooter that keeps hitting 4/10 .
I like Waylons 4/10 ladder for this, it helps recover some of the losses.
I play the same way except I only lay the 4 OR 10(whatever one just hit). As dont players we have 6 ways for the seven to hit and lose. If you just lay the 4 OR 10 you cut the odds in half to 3 ways of losing. If you lay BOTH you give the edge back to the casino with 6 ways of losing. So if your going with 6 ways of losing I rather lose 15 bucks than 41 bucks.
Not bad, That would definitely slow down the losing. Good advise
genius lol
I was going to say the same thing.
Yeah but you are only losing $40 on a hit instead of $80. If you only picked the 4 instead of both the 4 and 10 on this session, you would have lost big. While the odds are reduced only selecting one number, when it loses it really hurts.
@@shawndavis1910 I would not lay 80 just 40 on a "no" 4 or a "no" 10.
I would bet on a lay bet behind just the 4 or 10 for the come out roll, with 2 dollars on the 11. After point is established, I would pull down the lay and now have money on don't pass and play the inside numbers that equals to how much is on the dont pass. After a few wins I would pull the money down from the inside numbers and put a match bet the point and either win a little off that, or break even. You can make a lot of money from the inside numbers, but after a few rolls, why give the casino back all the inside numbers when a 7 hits. Beat them to it.
What do you do if the point is a 4 or 10? That never happened in the video. Any extra bets made or just playing with the Don't Pass and one Lay bet?
if the point is 4 you lose your lay bet and lay it again. And then you win when the 7 rolls before the 4 or you lose your lay and lay it again
Just curios J, why lay 4 and 10...at the same time? Both lays are 66.666? Advantage to hit Red. But once you hit big red, shoulda just used ur 10$ lay to press 4. If 4 or 10 comes out, twice before red, please press/stack that lay as much as ur bankroll allows.
Great vid fam👍🏽
Better to lay either the 4 OR the 10 for twice as much. If the one you laid is hit, just double the lay and have 2-1 in your favor to win back what you lost.
@@kenhyatt3673 your math is wrong bro. Double the bet is the same as 40 on 4 and 10 as 80 on the 4 or 10
@@thedude5599 think about it again
@@thedude5599 You completely misunderstood what I said....read again carefully and think!
I agree for cold tables it works, that said when I play dark side why not lay the opposite of the point as soon as that gets rolled and I'd be raising the lay bets. Plus one can do don't pass aswell. Or once cam use a dice count if 4 rolls to reflthe number of dice combinations against you on the 9 let's say and every 4th roll raise the lay bet on the point aswell as you have already tgr don't pass with odds.
This is definitely a good cold table strategy. I prefer the don’t usually so it works for me!
Your videos are good for learning how to play the odds correctly.
Math is a big part of craps but so is hunches, trends, feelings, tendencies, and having a beautiful woman blowing on the dice for luck right before you shoot.
And blowing on something else in the hotel afterwards
I play in Atlantic City, most weekends all tables are 25 min but an electronic table is 5, did I hear you recommend to not play an automated version, my bankroll can’t support 25 tanle
No, I very much recommend playing E version for bankroll reasons. Real tables are more fun and support dealers, but when they raise limits so high, I won’t play higher than $10
man u doing great with videos, been watching u and ceg for a while now. great strat, u and ceg have put many strategies into my arsenal.
Appreciate the feedback 😀
coukd play the hard 4 and 10 to hedge the 4/10 bet, You Rock good teacher!!
Im new to craps..but what if you dis this system but used the passline instead, play $10 on pass...but never to.it
Still do the same to the 4 and 10 so the 7 pays still but i think if you keep the passline small, never add to it and keep placing 4 and 10 to loss..(idk what you call that top row) would be better or no??
I used to be a dark side player when I started playing and frankly it takes a fair amount of bank roll. I have had the shooter from hell show up and destroy me. I personally like the right side as eventually the tide turns and a couple of monster rolls and one is fine every gaming session.
You said; "I used to be a dark side player.... "I have had the shooter from hell show up and destroy me."
I live in Vegas and play the Don't about 90% of the time 3-4 times weekly and when "the shooter from hell shows up" I simply won't let him destroy me! How? By not letting any shooter beat me more than one time. I wait until the dice move to the next shooter, That way I avoid the hot roll that everyone else is waiting for. Boring yes, Profitable Yes.
You should play hybrid.
I love your channel but I'm always sad at the end that you don't actually color up your chips, thats my favorite part!
Totally agreed with that - total $$ at the end ...
Ha, sometimes I do it, but you are right its rare. I need to get in habit of doing it. Thanks
Another great video. Enjoy your station very much.
Thank you
2 recommendations for this strategy #1 lose the bet on the 12 as it causes your 11 to lose money and is very unlikely to hit. #2 ladder the 4 and 10 on losses to help keep in the positive. Overall though i really like it.
You didn’t have a point of 4 or 10. Does the losing lay bet get replaced? Probably not. Maybe lay the 5 or nine in that case?
what's up Jeremy? i like this strategy but i have a question because it never came up in your roll....what do you do when the come out roll is 4 or 10???
It would lose, and the submitter said just to replace it....how many times? I guess that's up to you.
Jeremy so you're saying if come out is 4 I'd lose my lay bet and I'd replace my lay bet even though my don't pass point is now 4?....so I'd now have a $40 lay on the 4 and a $15 don't pass on the 4 with don't pass odds of $40???
Ok, had to watch video back. His instructions were to replace lay bet, but you are right. Doesn’t make sense. I would assume at that point to treat like every other number, which was lay enough in odds to win at least $25
yes that's what I was thinking don't repeat the lay bet on the 4 just lay odds of $50 on my don't pass 4 so that it would win $25...(actually as a math tutor myself I would recommend not placing odds in that case on the don't pass 4 bc the flat $15 bet has an advantage over the house yet will get paid even money)... thanks for answering my question Jeremy... I found your channel about a month ago and it is fantastic.... keep up the great work!
My experience is that a "wrong bettor" strategy like this one is only effective when the shooter can't hold the dice for more than 4 or 5 rolls at most. It is possible to eke out a profit if a longer roll materializes - but it is rare for the wrong bettor to earn much at all. Best time to use such a system is right after a long roll. Usually, the next few players are going to crap out fast.
Watch a lot of strategies. Have tried most. This is the only one that works. I will take this to the casino.
What do you do if the point becomes the 4 or 10?
You lose the lay bet, but then just treat it as any other number, and lay odds against the number. The nice thing about the 4/10 being the don't point, there is only 3 ways to roll it and cause your bet to lose, while you have 6 ways to win with the 7. a 2:1 favorite!
I do a very similar strategy. I play don’t pass exclusively.
I start with a $50 don’t pass with a $60 lay on 4/10. Once point is established I take down the lays on 4/10. Depending on the number, I lay odds of 60/75/100 so I win $50 on my lay odds bet.
I also put $15 come bet and put double odds on any number that is rolled.
The come bet protects against a hot shooter
If someone hits a bunch of numbers, I’m at least winning some money
If someone goes point then 7 I win $115
I usually start with $1000 bankroll. Of course there are holes to every strategy. If someone goes point, point, seven, it’s a little painful
Good strat. You said "I start with a $50 don’t pass with a $60 lay on 4/10." Do you lay $60 each 4/10 or $60 4 OR 10? tHANKS
@@kenhyatt3673 $60 each
@@mghvw1500 Makes sense, thanks
I play in Columbus as well, and the tables are crazy bouncy. And this system should work. I’ll give it a go and report back. The number of 7 outs at that casino is crazy.
Play the donts if more 7’s than probability dictates. My guess, it seems like more 7’s but it lines up with math over time.
@@ColorUp I’m a new player and your videos have been great for learning the game. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I have a free beginner course on my website colorup.club might be of interest to you
Peach if you can get past the come out bet, and are able to target a seven by controlling your shots to win. Random is random, anything can happen any day so if you had to solely rely on random shots or shooters, I would call it an eggplant.
17:20 Yes you are correct, you have been paying out $33 instead of $38 on the Lay bets. Good catch. You have been calling out $38 but paying one green, one red, and 3 white.
Really like the dark side hedge! 👍🏼👍🏼
I play strategy very similar to this. I always play it at a bubble crap machine. That way I don't get any mean looks.
It makes no sense to bet the 12 the only bet you're protecting is the 11. And I would just lay the four are the 10 not both. If you lay the both there are six ways to make the 4 and 10 there's also six ways to make the seven so you have effectively taken away the advantage just my thoughts
With how Color Up’s rolls normally go. I’d expect this to be one of the best strategies he’s showcased. Rolled some decent hands in the video though especially the 23 rolls 😂
What can I say, I have a gift....to roll exactly what hurts the strategy ha
Dice control my friend....lol
It’s a gift that could work out in some people favors though. If I ever saw you at a casino, I’d make a deal with you. I’ll bet the opposite of you and we can split the profits because one of us would be bound to win haha
One way to reduce the number of combinations to screw you over is to bet the hardway 4 and 10 with an amount to cover your lay bet.
As an experiment, I played this system exclusively each night for a solid week at home. Averaged about 140 rolls with each session so I had well over 1,000 rolls to work with as a small data base. I would start with a $300 bank and track each roll in a log with results, etc. also noted. What I noticed is that most times, rolls/hands lasted no more than 5 rolls before either seven or the don't pass point came up. What hurts the most with this strategy is when either 4 or 10 show up more frequently than they should according to the probability tables (as happened in this video). This is no doubt due to probabilistic variance, i.e. those stretches of rolls when certain numbers show up in mini-streaks, e.g. the 4 comes up four times in 12 rolls when it shouldn't show up more than 1 time. I had much the same experience on every night I played. Sometimes the streakiness with 4 or 10 came late enough that I had banked enough to quit ahead. But the streakiness comes early, then the system leaves you with a fast declining bank and a feeling you should shift to another strategy as the dice are coming up adverse to your positions.
I know this is a year old post… but why not just put 5$ on the hard 10 and hard 4 now you are somewhat protected
@@double_joseph327 Hedging with a hardway bet to protect your Lay 4 or 10 will eat your profit due to the high house edge.
@@jimklemens5018 hard 4 and hard 10 would lower your chances of losing by 6 rolls to 4 rolls. 6 ways to roll a 7 so it clearly gives you an edge.
@@double_joseph327 Do you know what house edge is?
@@jimklemens5018 yes I do. I also understand that you should protect your bets.
That's about how it works at the Casino too! You might have someone hit the point 4 r 5 times but I think overall this is good because you can skip the good shooters or just bet with them
Can also hedge a little bit with a $5 hard 4/10 bet.
How do you know which shooters are good?
@@jimklemens5018 well if they hit 4r5 points that should tell yah
I tried it myself in Columbus this morning twice. One shooter knocked me off of 3 lays and a DP untill I gave up and went with him. He had a great roll, wish I was with him from the start, oh well.
Oh man, sorry.
@@ColorUp, no worries. I might of broke even on him overall once I switched over from the dark side. He hit a 4 point fire, with some points being repeated.
In this strategy, would it not be better to place the point instead of laying odds in case the point was made? That way you at least cover your losses on the line? Or am I completely wrong in this?
Thats fine, but a lot more conservative. Do you want to lose less or win more, just depends on your approach.
@@ColorUp, ok, I see your point. Thanks for giving me something to think about. Much appreciated.
Learned craps from your channel about 2/3 years ago when I was about 18 or 19 instantly fell in love with the game. Been watching strategy’s ever since on your channel. Now that I can go to casinos I recently taught my girlfriend how to play and we walked away +$300
Awesome, glad you enjoying the game, and got your girl involved. Winning is icing on the cake.
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I am NOT a dark side player but if I was, I WOULD use this strategy!!!
Are the lays working?
Lay bets are always working
What do you do when 4 or 10 is the point?
Ah, that never came up. I would move the lay bet and use it as odds on the dont pass. No vig then :)
Thanks Jeremy! You da man. 😎 Great videos. I've really enjoyed the Level Up series
I might have missed it if this was explained, but what do you do if the point goes to 4 or 10?
Probably press the 4? Personally I would play a come bet and at least you'd have more numbers active and the game would be more entertaining. This is a decent strategy provided it's not a hot table but it's not very fun.
I think I'll try this strategy this weekend.
I think he should make place bets on the 5 6 8 equal to his pay out on the dont pass. Afer he wins his dp money he should turn his place bets off.
Please tell us how it went for you. Thanks
Great video, like the strategy what if the point is 4 or 10, enjoy your presentation
Move the lay bet down and use as the lay odds on the number.
@@ColorUp Thats what I was thinking , great video, always enjoy the way you demo/explain, cheers
Good learning session. Thanks
Can I ask if $15 on don’t pass come out 6/8 lay $35 5/9 lay $45 4/10 lay $50?
Depends on what you want to win. If you lay odds of $30 on 6/8 you win $25...$30 on. 5/9 wins $20...$30 on 4/10 wins $15.
Nice going to have to try it ..
I play this strat all the time, I would like to see a Martingale of the exact same strat.
I've done it. I use $50 units on the 4 and 10, $25DP, no odds. If a 4 or 10 is picked off, lay them both for $100, then $200, then $400. $400 level doesn't get reached very often, but it realllllly sucks when it does. You can usually make a fair amount of cash quickly, but I'll tell you from experience, hit and run. It's only a matter of time someone smashes nothing but outside numbers on a single roll.
Had not come by this strategy before. It is certainly interesting.
Overall, not a bad strategy. Thank you for sharing it! I think the math teacher, would be better served by simply skipping the high house-edge prop bets. Also, many don't consider that the lowest denomination chip most casinos have at Craps tables is: $1, so most casinos normal-round, or in some cases round-down, the vig. What this means at a casino that normal-rounds (like most Vegas properties) is; you can buy (or lay to win) up to $29, for only a $1 vig, that's the same amount it cost you to buy (or lay to win) $20. If you happen to find a casino that rounds-down, you can buy (or lay to win) up to $39, for only a $1 vig. Buy/lay 4/10 (vig on win only), are already a good bets, but you may be able cut the house's edge almost in half, by betting as much as you can for your vig! My nearby casino's all round-down. so to keep the math simple, (and not attract an unwanted attention) I usually Buy for $35 (win $70, -$1 vig), or Lay $70 (win $35 -$1 vig)
Survey:
How many quick 7 outs before you switch over to this dark
side strategy?
2?
On a $5 table how can I modify the bets??
Are the 4 and 10 both working on the come out?
Lay bets are always working.
@@jimklemens5018 I can turn lay bets off
@@thedude5599 If you tell the dealer to turn your Lay bets off, they will take them down and return the vig too.
@@jimklemens5018 Oh ya keep turning them on and off and see how fast they eventually put an off button on them. Trust I do it all the time. After about the third time of turning them off then turning them on again out comes the off button EVERY TIME !!!
@@thedude5599 Standard operating procedure is to take a Lay bet down when a player says to turn it off.
I can definitely see a casino allowing your dealer to use the Off button if you are constantly changing status of a Lay bet.
"no strategy is foolproof" The gamblers mantra. I would say it depends on the table, in the beginning you had a hot shooter and your should take advantage of that with an appropriate strategy. In other words, mix it up...
Where can I get a table like that at? Thanks for the vid!
I think I got mine at casino4u.com or casinosupply.com
@@ColorUp
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You get paid on the lay bets on the come out when they're turned off?
He asked dealer to turn them on
Lay bets are always on.
What a roll, that’s exactly what would happen to me the second I stop playing pass line,6,8
Exactly
But despite that roll, still a nice profit
Yep, something to take notice of for sure, the long roll did minimal damage, the short rolls brought nice profit
@@ColorUp How about rolling this strategy at the same time/against a good strategy that would win a lot on long rolls. I suggest to try that scenario based on the theory that if you usually do one strategy, for example this dark side strategy, it seems Murphy's Law tends to kick in and gives you a long roll hitting multiple box numbers. So at least if you play two completely opposite strategies, then one of them well turn out amazing!
Similar to the Valentine play. In the Valentine, you take down the lay bets after the point and lay odds against the don't pass like you do here.
Maybe just place against the Lay bets for a sure win on the 4/10 after the risk in making a point...
I ran the numbers and assuming you play 36,000 rolls (assume you play 1200 rolls a year for 30 years) the Valentine strategy while only laying against 4 OR 10 (not both) ends up being a significantly better strategy at losing the least amount of dough. This would be at a $15 min. table where you lay odds at $30 for 6/8, $45 for 5/9, $50 for 4/10 and you take down the lay bet if it happens to become the point.
This teacher's strategy only ever has a positive bankroll about 3% of the time with averaged losses of $13,000. I didn't even bother counting the prop bets which would make the numbers even worse. The modified Valentine I mentioned has a positive bankroll about 17% of the time with averaged losses of $4000.
For another comparison passline with max odds (3x4x5x) has a positive bankroll about 37% of the time with averaged losses of $2300. Passline again but with 1x2x3x odds has a positive bankroll about 35% of the time with averaged losses of $2100.
Never heard of valentine, someone send it to me. If we talking about losing the least amount, just make a dont pass, lay max odds and repeat. Do that at a joint with 100x odds and expected lose is only 0.014%
@@ColorUp If we're talking about losing the least amount the ending of WarGames has the answer 😉
@@ColorUp Of course as you have stated many times, if you play for the long term the 0.014% loss is assured. So I choose to cover that with the free drinks, certainly non alcoholic drinks (:
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Does he play the Don't when he is the shooter?
Most likely if he’s the only player on the table. Otherwise he most likely passes the die.
Can you do a review of the Cleveland hustle by 36press?
I think I have...some strategy by 36full press
Thanks for video.
Thx for watching
I'm a true professional craps player so let me tell you the main issue here. He put 2 lays bets on 4/10 in hopes that them arriving is slighter chance then the 7. He didn't work out his math correctly if he's supposedly a teacher because by laying the 4/10 he increased the chance of them arriving to "6" probabilities. Now the 4/10 is just as powerful as the "7" same amount of probabilities. They both now have 6 probabilities each so he's defeating the purpose. Best to just lay either the 4 "Or" 10 to minimize the probabilities.
I’d love to hear more about being a professional craps player.
@@ColorUp I win over 70% of the time I play craps. Thing is im a serial hit and runner. Sometimes I win just 50 dollars and leave. if you play craps long enough every session at one point you will be up. Unless you are a complete idiot. thing is to leave when you are up even just 20 dollars . I paid for my dinner and lunch for 14 days in a row just on craps. Im up thousand in craps.
best way to play if find someone who doesnt take odds on the pass and ask them if you can place money on their PASS odds. Only even bet in the house. I do this all the time.
Yep, advantage play 😊
I thought the VIG was paid up front for lay bets and on win for buy bets.
Different House rules. I would say most casinos take vig upfront for both lay and buy bets. It’s always to players advantage if they can find casinos that take vig on win.
@@ColorUp question: if casino takes vig up front on a $40 lay 4(so $1 i believe), do you get that back if you take the lay bet down without it hitting? or if a 7 is rolled and they pay it out do you need to repay another $1 vig to keep the bet up?
@@calvinschmidt6816 vig of 5% is based on the win amount of $20 so yes $1. If you take the bet down before bet resolved the vig is returned. If you win with 7, a new vig would be required to keep the bet up.
This is an old Don't strategy that supposedly came out of Chicago. The 4 & 10 lay bets should be taken down after the come out point is established and used for odds on the don't pass. If the 4 or 10 comes out as the point you lose the lay bet but you should make it up when the 7 shows up. Its not a winning strategy in the long run because the table will switch from hot to cold and vice versa plus its hard to make up a loss when the 4 & 10 cause a loss. Plus you have to stand around waiting for the 7 to show up. But at least its entertaining. Thanks!
Nothing new, game been around centuries and there is no winning strategy in the long run 🏃♂️ but it is a fun and entertaining game. I love it.
Very cool strategy !
Great strategy!
Think this might work better with Cali Craps
when either the 4 or 10 is rolled often-- could you just move the 40 to the other number and make it $80 on it
absolutely, or just keep the other at $40...or after a certain number of rolls, just remove them both
I could see making place bets on the 5 6 8 for 45 dollars would be good as well. Then you have your bets hedged if they keep landing
How would you make Place bets on the 5, 6, and 8 for $45 ?
@@jimklemens5018 45 is divisable by 6 and also by 5. Simple you bet 45 dollar on each number. Si
mple how else would you bet it
For the 6/8 you would bet $42 or $48 in order to get the proper 7:6 payoff, otherwise the casino would round down.
@@thedude5599 Ummm... $45 is not divisible by 6.
@@jimklemens5018 opps my bad you are correct. I was thinking 54 you are correct so 42 42 and 45
The singular issue with this strategy is....if you lose, you have a lot of ground to make up with the cheques unless you Martingale and as John Patrick has taught....never, never, never play a Martingale.
What does the "LAY" mean?
means ur betting that a 7 comes out before ur number that u layed on
@@dt3306 oh okay thank you
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What would happen if you played lay bets and ran the pass line?
More of a hedge play, win with point hits roll but also not win as much when 7 finally shows.
Hedging is almost a sure fire way of not winning at a casino with with hedging you lose more than you win. Casinos love it!
I just started learning how to play and have been watching videos on strategies to try out when I finally play for the first time
@@kylebrink7523 here is some help. Stay away from all strategies. They only work if the dice rolls the right way. Stick with placing the 6 and 8 and see what happens. Unlike most you tube channels you will lose money, they what you to believe they never lose, but they do! Don't believe the people that say "I never lose with this strategy" they are lying! good luck at the tables. Don't bring money you cant afford to lose to the casino. They will take it all! Craps just like all other casino games is a -EV game.
Ahh, the ‘ole place 6 & 8 strategy.
Replacing the Lay 4 seems like a big mistake. It's pretty much killed you on this sample roll. Why not move it around to a 5 or 9?
Or move that $40 over to the 10 and make it $80
@@ALL4SCUBA05 Exactly!
he paid only $38 on the lay bets on 4 and 10 to cover the 11 and 12 bets but used the $2 from the 38 to place the 11 and 12 bets when he should have use the money from the dealer stack (remember he paid out only $ 38 dollars instead of the $40 that was due.
$40 was not due, only $38. The payout is $40 minus $2 for the vig (cost of making a buy bet) So player gets paid $38 and would have to make additional bets such as 11/12 out of the $38
thanks, you are right. i forgot about that. Lot of Casinos require you to pay up front.
Yes, I think the majority require vig upfront for lay bet
@@ColorUp That is true. Vig on Lay bets is paid upfront.
I bet $25 pass, $10 dp. Then lay odds, place remaining numbers. Two hits cut the lay in half. Press every other number....
like this one, have done some simulations worked well . a question -when it doesnt work what scenarios are the killers thanks dddp1
@@drdontpassone8164 - It doesn’t work pso, slow bleed, nor making the point right after established. That’s why after two hits I cut the dp odds in half.I love that it’s a don’t hedge that wins 7/11 on come out. Have never seen another like that.
@@robchell9196 thanks do like it
@@robchell9196 pso?
Pso = point seven out, establish a point number then immediately roll a seven
at a $25 table is the minimum lay $50?
Typically yes.
at a $25 min table you could lay $26.
Ken Hyatt lot of tables require a lay bet to win at least $20 for proper vig, or some tables require a lay win that is at least table min
@@ColorUp Agreed. However, some do not. Re: proper vig, if you lay an amount less than is required to pay them 5%, they will be glad to take our money at more than 5% rounding it up to their minimum of $1. I have found they are not shy about taking money.
Ken Hyatt most casinos will not allow a $10 buy bet because “vig” is effectively 10%, yet it’s a better payout for player. Most require at least $$20 buy. Why are they shy about taking extra vig on but bets? Because it’s better for player? 🤔
Nice. It would've work better if he leaves off the prop bet and the 4.
I use the same method but usually only lay $10 on the 4, 10 and don't pass. If a 4, 10, 11, 7 come out i won't loose much on the come out roll.
Once the point is established, I'll lay full odds on all three and also I'll put $5 hardways on both 4 and 10.
17:08 how that 7 came out tho 😎😎
A math teacher should know that:
- hedge with high house edge bets is a loser
- laying the odds after the point is established lowers the player advantage
So tho correct the weaknesses:
- no props
- no laying odds
- off the 4 and 10 when the point is on
- 20 instead of 40 on the 4 and 1
This would’ve won only 64 but without ever going below 504 bankroll
a high house edge bet is a loser: laying odds does not lower players advantage, it lowers overall house edge, and gets paid true or fair odds of winning vs losing the bet. It makes the bet more volatile but doesn't not lower advantage.
@@ColorUp The don’t pass/don’t come bet has a high house advantage before the point is established (loses on 8/36 and wins on 3/36). When it survives that, it becomes a player advantage bet, because it pays even money (wins on 6/36 and loses on 3 or 4 or 5/36). Laying true odds lowers that advantage.
The dont bet has a house edge of 1.36%. Laying odds does not effect that edge on initial bet. When you lay odds you get paid true for the odds of rolling the number. The 7 is 2:1 over the 4. So you get paid 1:2. A fair bet. This doesn’t lower players advantage at all. It does however lower the overall house edge bet. As the flat bet is 1.36% and the lay odds bet is 0% the more odds you lay the lower the house edge % on the overall amount of money becomes.
Let's say you bet $5 on the Don't Pass.
On the come out roll you have 22.2% probability of losing $5 and 8.3% probability of winning $5, for an estimated loss of $0.69.
When the point is established, let's say it's 6, that bet has 16.7% probability of winning $5 and 13.9% probability of losing $5 for an estimated win of $0.14.
If you lay $24 odds you have 16.7% probability of winning $19 and 13.9% probability of losing $29 for an estimated loss of $0.86.
Ciaolo87 the calculations are already built into before/after point is established. Don’t pass bet is 1.4% house edge. Laying or taking odds does not effect the line bet. It is an additional bet at 0% edge. You are confusing probability with house edge. Once a dont is established, you are more probable to win that bet. Thus you bet more to win back less with the odds bet. You are betting on the favorite. In case of 4/10. You are the 2:1 favorite so you get paid only one dollar for your $2 bet. You don’t have to take my word for it. Disagree all you like. It’s a simple google search. Start with the mathematician “wizard of odds”
I even wait till I see repeat numbers as one is rolled within say 3 rolls then I bet against that number to get the most odds on my favor in general. That said I've seen 5 9s and 5 5s get rolled in a row which is very rare and I got slaughtered that day
Unfortunately each roll of the dice is independent. There could’ve been 20 rolls of 9 in a row. The chance of rolling 9 on the next roll is still the same as any other roll.
Odds of rolling two nines in a row is 1 in 81, three in row is 1 in 729…but you correctly state, each roll is independent and the chance to roll a 9 is the same each roll 4/36 or 1 in 9
Bet the pass and don't pass line on the come out and then the house has no advantage and you can lay odds on each number rolled before a 7 or the point comes out. For example, shooter comes out with a 5, you lose your pass bet but your don't pass bet wins. Now the shooter either has to make the point [5] or roll a 7 to end the roll. The odds of rolling a 5 on the second roll is 11% and rolling a 7 is 16% which means the shooter will probably not roll either thus giving you another chance to lay odd on. On the third roll the chances of rolling a 5 are 30% whereas the chances of rolling a 7 is 43%. So it is possible another number will be rolled so you can lay odds. On the 4th roll the chances of rolling a 7 is 52%. It is just math.
Here is the math (5/6)4 = 625/1296 = 48% chance that you will not get a 7 on 4 rolls and a 52% chance you will.
Explanation: When rolling 2 dice there are 36 possible outcomes. Only 6 will result in a 7 being thrown, so you will not roll a 7 5/6 (83.3% ) of the time.
So 4 rolls of the dice are as follows: 5/6 X 5/6 X 5/6 X 5/6 = 625/1296 = .48 (48% chance you will not get a 7 on four rolls of the dice) and a 52% chance you will.
I’ve asked you to stop copy and paste this on all my videos. It’s called spam. Also you are incorrect about no house edge with a pass and no pass bet. You are welcome to comment. Further copy/paste will be deleted. After that, I will block you from commenting.
hey make sure you place your what ever number you lay at the same time. that way you will all win as the point is rolled.... turn this into a blender and now your WINNING NOT SINNING
great way of playing for 6 hours and winning only 4 bucks.
@@rayhjr72 Nailed it!
$34% on the buy-in amount so it was a good strat, at least for this one session.
Tried this tonight in AC...no success.
Do you talk to yourself for your benefit or for the viewers?
maybe a nickle hardway for 4 and 10?
Yep more hedging, but softens the blow of rolling 4/10. could even do penny hard ways
I agree and if you hard four get knocked out 4 times double to 10 dollars on the hard 4 and ten. One in three times a hard 4 should roll so I like your idea I thought the same.
I wait for the point to be established then bet 50-75 don’t come with a $5 on the 11. Leaving only the 7 as a loss.
If it’s a 4 or 10 I double up the don’t come. I then bet enough on the hard way(if it’s my don’t come number) to hedge my don’t come.
Ie: if the don’t come is a 4 I then bet the hard 4 to cover. Then I bet on the 6&8(minimum bet).
If my don’t come is 6 or 8 I bet the hard way and drop minimum on the 6 or 8(which ever isn’t the don’t come).
It wins slowly. The larger don’t come let’s me bet the 6&8 and still profits on a 7. If the roller hits a few 6 or 8 then a 7 it’s a good win.
Been doing this for years and I ALWAYS leave ahead!!
I absolutely love love love the strategy. You didn't do your point sevens here but it is an awesome strategy for that.
I think I had one there at end which is great for this strat
@@ColorUp 1 not your usual bountiful. I noticed when you show strategies that are looking for specific things they are more elusive and mock you with numbers.
But the math and strategy is accurate. when I went to Vegas it would have done me a lot of good to play that but I was still learning.