How Much Does Our 1 Ton Axle Swapped Land Rover Discovery 2 Overlander Weigh? I Was Shocked!!!
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- Today on Dirt Lifestyle we finally get an accurate weight of our 1 ton axle swapped 2003 Land Rover Discovery 2! Many Overland builds weigh considerably more that people think. Comfortable overland travel usually takes a lot of gear and when you add it all up you start gaining thousand of pounds fast! Lets borrow some certified scales and get some real world numbers of what to expect with a land rover hauling this much gear!
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The only weight reduction on a rig like this is the wallet!
Sadly 😂
Truth
@@Weidjeep I would beg to differ. I bet Nate made more $$$ on doing and showing us this build than it cost him to do it. Remember Nate and his wife make a living and support their family from TH-cam.
He kept saying he added a "ton". Well, 1812 is pretty close. Who needs scales? 😉 😂
I weighed my 1 ton parts when doing my swap. I have an overhead crane with a digital scale. These weights are fully dressed axles including brakes, gears, shafts, tie rods, and oil:
LR front axle: 320
LR rear axle: 250
Dana 60 front: 512 (kingpin axle)
Dana 70S rear: 428
We're essentially adding 370 lbs of unsprung weight to the Disco when doing a one ton swap (before suspension changes and wheels/tires). My stock Disco 2 wheels/tires weigh 63 lbs each.
Nice video! The weight difference is actually
1812 lbs
And then add the family, gear, food, ect ect.... holy moses
William Tell
Fun fact, GVWR for that thing is 6880lbs. He's over when he gets in it to drive.
@@thethepete731 Fun fact the different axles and suspension he's installed change the GVWR number.
@@RumblestripDotNet no they didn't. The axles can carry more, but it doesn't change the chassis, nor does it change the weight it's registered at and the DOT don't care that you put bigger axles under it. Over weight is overweight. Furthermore, there's a lot more to a gvwr than strictly the axles. Putting super duty axles under something doesn't make it a super duty.
Half that weight is just in the spare tire carrier. And a forth of the is welding wire. 🤣🤣🤣
Awesome looking ride. You got me looking for DL now. BUT I STILL WANT A J-10!!!
With all the weight that’s on the front of a 4Wheel drive people keep looking for a better place to put the spare tire. Your measurements prove the back is exactly the right place.
My '91 K5 with an FWC camper and LS swap drivetrain scaled out at 6,500 pounds loaded for a week in the backcountry. It's now gained a few pounds with a big block 5-speed swap, but I need to scale it again to see where it sits. The big thing I found is with the camper I got more space to safely put stuff and I typically overpack for a trip. So it's not always the truck itself but the crap you bring with you. Passengers, gear, tools, food, water, other drinks, and fuel add up quickly.
4WD 24-7 (an Aussie offroad channel) weighed 50 rigs that came in their shop and so many of them were already over the GCVW or would be once people and gear were added.
I guessed 6800 LBS right at the beginning of the video. I was pretty close. I’m glad you weighed it on individual scales rather than doing just one scale.
Someone watches the whole video and then they ask, “I understand but how much does it weigh?”
My Ovlerander weighs 2.5 metric tons, fully loaded with passengers kitted for 1+ years of traveling. Has a pop top, kitchen, 90liter water tank, diesel heater, hot water boiler, 50l fridge, 220watt solar, 370AH batteries, 142 liter long range diesel tank.
How do i achive this? I didn't install unnecessary offroad stuff, a stock hilux with 235/85r16 is extremely capable, i never had a problem getting to any place i want to. I actually never reached the limits of the truck when traveling because i turned around and searched for alternatives, there is absolutely no benefit in tackling a hard track and risking damage thousands of miles from home in a remote Tajik mountain range where every week or so a farmer shows up.
Weight doesn't get talked about enough.
Thanks for bring it up.
Weighed my 99 Grand Cherokee on sterling 10.5 and dana 60 front and 37s at a cat scale. 4064 lb stock, weighed around 5300 lbs with front & rear bumpers tire carrier, rack, sliders, long arms, and probably 100lb of tools inside. Easily over 6K when we are in it and loaded up with the cooler and everything else for a trip.
Just weighed my fully dressed and trussed D60, 570lbs. thats everything on the axle, no steering. So brakes, knuckles, hubs, axle shafts, lockouts, locker, r&p, control arm mounts, track bar mount, high steering, 570lbs.
Filled with fluid?
@@chublez Dry. so add another few quarts.
I love the front to rear weight bias! 43%/56% with the remaining 1% being in the aether... But seriously Nate your awesome, love your channel, you are by far one of the most educational, hands on, unbiased off-roading TH-camr out there, keep up the great work!!!
Much appreciated 🙏
Your building skills are out of this world
That rig can handle the weight, and so can the drivetrain. You should be more concerned about slipped sleeves in the engine, leaking water pumps, t-stat failures, and electrical issues.
Vehicles have a GVWR sticker normally found around the drivers door jamb, and not surprising a lot of people don't even know what's that for.
Yep.
The weight isn’t too far off what I expecting. Excited to see the Land Rover in action!!
Interesting stuff Nate. Not sure why people give a video like this a thumbs down, unless it’s a case of “The Truth Hurts” and you helped them realize their rig is a rolling hunk of lead. 🙄
This was a fun little video Nate, I learn more from your channel than most others!!!!
Not too bad for all the added stuff. Thanks for the update.
I sent to a cat scale weight my Jeep after pulling all my overlanding stuff off and I was super surprised on how heavy my Jeep was. Definitely trying to lose some more weight where I can!
Wow, my Land Cruiser started as 6000lbs stock, I hate to see what it is now🤔. Great info, thanks👍
I literally can hear this little british V8 engine cry.
It’s actually a Buick engine from the 1960s I believe
Go diesel = add more weight.
@@GuillermoGonzalez-db3sx its a rover, Buick design
I love this Rover!!! If I could have any rig in the world, this one would pry be in my top 5. Absolutely Awesome 👌 👏 😎!!
Thank you!
So wow interesting information; truly an idea that time has come.
Nate, i love your discovery it looks outstanding like you say 😂 6740 seems accurate to me. My 98 ZJ on 1 tons, Dana 60 front sterling 10.5 rear, front and rear bumpers, bead locks and 37s, rock sliders, me in it and completely empty with half a tank weighted 5800lbs.
Good run down. Great build Buddy.
Part of the problem is people are trying to make their rigs as capable as possible off-road and treating it like a push-your-limits weekend romper while trying to be an overlander at the same time and it ends up being bad for both. Overlanding isn't about pushing your vehicle on the hardest trails. Skip one ton axles, 37s, and lots of extra steel. 33s and a front locker are plenty capable for most trails. Don't skimp on the front bumper but don't go crazy, add the minimum underbody protection on the vital parts, and keep your gear to the essentials. Limit your comfort items. Gas mileage is important for an overlander as its about going long distance. 37s and one ton axles add a lot of weight and rolling resistance and will kill your gas mileage and on road performance which unfortunately a lot of miles are on road as well, and then you need to carry more fuel which adds more weight to make up for that lower gas mileage.
I disagree about the one-tons. Even a slightly taller tire is going to put more stress on the axles. Add deeper gears to compensate for the tires and you compound the problem. Regardless how diligent you are about weight you're going to add to it significantly. So you'll have a heavy vehicle operating in rough terrain. The added weight of the one-tons is a small price to pay for the durability they bring.
Generally, I do agree about tire size. But there are a lot of variables. 33s might be adequate for a compact SUV but not necessarily for a full-size 4-door pickup. If the trails in your area are heavily rutted you will probably want taller tires. We get lots of flooding here. So I plan to add taller tires for those times when the streets are underwater.
This conversation is about generalities, any sane person will understand there are variables and you need to adapt or dare I say step outside the norm for your own situation and intentions. Obviously a 4door full size truck way want to consider 35s or 37s but thats not necessarily a good choice for an overlander in the first place unless you are towing or hauling a camper on the bed and then one ton axles may not be a bad choice. You just are always going to add a quite a bit of weight, thats a given. The vast bulk of overlanders in the U.S. are driving a relatively modern Tacoma, 4Runner, Jeep Wrangler, 2nd gen Xterra, etc and it would be retarded to throw one ton axles on those vehicles just to run 33s. In that very common situation, one may not even need to regear at all just to go up an inch or two in tire size. On these vehicles, you can keep them relatively stock, and only need to add maybe a couple skid plates, 33s, lockers, air compressor, a better bumper, shovel, basic camping gear and still stay under GVM and they are all set for most trails that most people are going to be on when they want to go overlanding. A winch is very much optional. The point is to pick the trails that are offroad and take you out the furthest while being the easiest for your vehicle. People are commonly confusing 4wheeling with overlanding.
Middle week video! Heck yeah!
Edit I was guessing 2k it's alot of weight
Now the trick is how to keep all this capability and functionality but drop 300-400lbs out of it. More durability, more performance, etc. That MDF cargo system is ripe for the picking, replacing with a light aluminum setup. Dual batts and all the associated heavy wiring and hardware can be replaced with modern lithium solar generators. The steel roof rack is also weight where you don't want it.
Only 1300#s less than my 2010 3500hd 4x4 reg cab silverado with a cab height enclosed steel service box loaded ready to camp. Rad build but I think I'd rather just get an aluminum cab height service box and be done. Actually thinking about adding some speed holes between compartments in my box to drop some weight. Won't be as cool but atleast I have the factory gvwr ratings and towing.
Might have to do a side by side after I get lift and tires and see how bad that thing dusts me of pavement, I only live an hour or so south. I've already tried to slide the thing off a trail and tested the winch properly. Lost a few grams in paint....
Not too surprised. I think the 1-tons were justified, but aluminum should be used in every other mod except rocker sliders and front bumper. And even then it would be heavy, but not as heavy as it's going to be- which will be closer to 8000 lbs than 7000 when it's all loaded up...hope you have some engine mods planned!
I was surprised that stock weight was more than my 86 Bronco at 4500 pounds. Part of my plan is lowering the weight by a few hundred pounds before (or as) i fabricate upgrades.
My gas F350 with (obviously) 1 ton axles weighs 7000lbs empty, so looks like you are right there and picked the right axles.
I agree lol. This needs tons for sure
Damn!! A tad heavy! But that’s what it is!! Great info! Thank you!
My lifted 04 ccsb diesel ford sd weighed 7400 on a cerified scale with 5 e rated trail grapplers are shell, and a 60" hi lift
Such a great rig 👍🏻
Nope... the dressed axles need to come out and go on the scales separately, so we can see what it adds and what the sprung/unsprung weights actually is. I'm sure it's more then we think...
I'd feel much safer in this rig, than say a 6500 lbs Tacoma overlander on stock axles. Technically over GVWR, but the extra weight capacity of the tires / axles, much stronger control arms, extra braking capacity is also significantly higher than factory. The only stock weight bearing component is the chassis itself, but LRs are known to have beefy frames. The military Jeep J8 with a Dana 60 has over double the payload of a stock wrangler; frames are often not the limit in payload / GVW.
Nate. As long as engineering certified, it will be GVM upgraded legal Downunder ! Check the maximum axle load on your 1 ton axles and it's all a.o.k. Stateside ? V.
Nobody weighs cars here. Our inspections involve basic safety items and maybe emissions. There may still be areas that don't even do inspections.
Nate is the man!!!
I scale my stiff all the time. I geek out on the numbers. Get the weigh my truck app and hit a truck stop while you're on the road. takes just a couple of minutes once you're all setup. Only downside is you don't get corner level detail. But those scales aren't cheap.
My 2006 Ford F350 CC Diesel weighs 7500 lbs, so probably a good call to swap in 1 ton axles.
Interested in a Shop walk thru. Size (WxHxD), Tools, Electrical Wiring, etc. Would make a great video. thanks.
Awesome build, can’t wait to see it in action...are you worried about any of the drivetrain failing, pulling so much extra weight around? Thanks for the upload..:)
Great Vid!!
Yes! Love nerding out on the numbers! You must have done the math in your head, because my calculator is showing 6740 vs 4928 is actually a gain of 1812, not 1600, but no worries. Now the question is - what's your GVWR? And also, where can I get a set of those scales so I can weigh stuff in my garage!?!? ;) Good nerdy stuff! Love it!
I was using 1600 as a rough number in my head wile filming. It was a mistake 👍
No worries! Was just giving you crap! Love your videos! Keep up the great work!
My 08 sd d60 dressed and trussed is 730lbs. The stock axle pallet from lkq was 660.
Wish i didnt drink the rest of my coffee before watching but hey the video just came out,so ill be back with some fresh coffee
Cheers Nate :D
Ive built a pickup from a disco 2 and i thought at the beginning of the build it was going to be lighter than stock but nearing the end of the build i think it may be a touch heavier
How does that work in the US in regards to your GVM? In the UK a discovery’s GVM will be 2700kg or 6000lbs
Can you easily get a vehicle uprated as long as you can prove you’ve done the relevant upgrades (brakes, suspension and axles)
If you still have the scales I would like to see where the Center of Gravity is. Thanks for all your videos they rock.
Wondering if you will have to re-valve your shock's at some point? Love the data dump videos!
Midweek, badass👍
I’ve been wondering what kind of engine/trans/cooling upgrades are getting done to help compensate for the gear that’s going on.
Huh I guess my Idea of turning my 1994 K2500 6.5 Diesel Suburban into an overlander is not as overkill as I thought. And my internal debate of overlanding my 2008 long wheel base Frontier vs my Suburban is starting to favor choosing my Suburban more and more the more research (You Tube Watching😂) I do.
Nate, looks awesome I watch all your disco videos. Having a 04 disco2 like yours, I was just curious where your original weight measurement of 4900lbs came from? My factory sticker claims just over 6k from factory! I'd appreciate a little clarity on how you derived that number, perhaps you weighed it before mods or.... Thanks for the great content.
After looking at the dimensions of your discovery and how similar it is to a WJ i realized that stock or even JK44s wont work for my intensions. If you happen to read this do you think a pair of fusion 9/10 axles front and rear would be enough to compare to 1 tons?
My TJ is 10 pounds over gross just sitting in my driveway. I really need to weigh it when we’re loaded down for camping.
2 videos in a week? This is an absolute win.
Thanks man! I'm trying to do 2 a week when I can 👍
@@DirtLifestyle now THIS is something to get excited over.
@@DylanYouSonOfABidgeNelson thanks for the continued support buddy 🤘
@@DirtLifestyle and thank you for the continued and increasingly great content.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 fellow data geek
That works to a current power/weight ratio of 1hp/31lbs with no occupants.
The thing that always puts it in perspective for me is when people talk about fuel.
Standard Disco has a 20 gallon tank (IIRC) and they get roughly 500 miles on a tank.
When people talk about having 1000 miles of range that means they've got at least 40 gallons of fuel aboard.
Now think about driving around with a full 40 gallon drum into the back of your Disco!
It's SO easy to start fitting extra fuel and water tanks and not think about the weight of those liquids.
Then there's the hardware that goes into an overland vehicle.
You can empty all the drawers and cubbies out and you'll find, maybe, a couple of hundred pounds of stuff and you'll feel okay about it.
Thing is, a single sheet of 1/2 plywood weighs 40lbs.
How much plywood goes into the average overland truck? 2 sheets? 3? 4?
I've got a fairly modest drawer set-up in the back of my disco but it took the best part of 3 sheets of 1/2 ply to build it, and there's 10 gallons of water stored, and a 120A battery.
That's ~120lbs of drawers, 120lbs of water and 80lbs of battery before I even LOOK at the 200lbs of camping junk that sits in there as well.
Ya, no way even a stock D2 with the 4.6L will hit much over 200mi to a tank.
I'm interested in how well the air system works, can you do a short on it?
5300+ before watching video
Edit: Holy Beefy LandRover! That is a lot of weight. Good thing you have those beefy axles.
I'd be interested to see the weight gain in axles alone. Wonder how much the original disco axles weigh...
Talking about axels, does anybody know what is the normal operating temperature on an Xj factory Danas?
1800 lbs.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to see the actually increase.
Wow!
Dimple dies..... "here we go again"
usually adds weight. how often do you dimple die metal already on the truck? often you dimple die a piece then add it to the truck :-)
ok I haven't started the video yet, I used to own a 2001 that was only on 32s with a 2 inch coil lift. All I could think when I saw the title was "I'm not even sure I want to know how fat that thing is" lmao
But when you beef up the suspension, axels and tires, doesn’t that increase (unofficially) the weight the vehicle can handle?
interesting. I added the extra weight but I never thought to check the overall. My poor little TJ is probably pissed at me.
That 17 year old 4.6 with its 217 well-worn HP will likely disagree with all the "it's really not that much more weight" comments...
Yay!
That's a little less than I was guessing. It will go even higher when you swap in the diesel. ;)
I honestly completely forgot to weight my Dakota now I’m really curious lol
I do like to weigh my stuff.
I like to know how much I’m pulling or moving across the trail
When will we see the shop review?
Did you regear the Disco ?thanks
(plus 1812lbs) that is a 36 percent increase over stock.
Yep
My Jku ls swapped tons atlas 40s Weighs 6000 full of gas, With no other equipment added
That's 1000lbs heavier than my TD5 Discovery 2 with custom front bar, winch, rock sliders, rear bar and full touring fit out. I'm on 31s and a 2" lift. That the max I can leagaly have in Australia without an engineering certificate.
That still seems pretty light. I weighed mine ( 05 Silverado 1500 with Dana 60, 14 bolt empty bed, 1/4 tank of fuel and me in it with 44s) no camping gear, trailers etc and it weight 6950 at a certified Cat scale.. so I think you're doing good
Now you have to watch out for the government giving you a fine if you are over your manufacturer GVW.
3 tons isnt bad really given that most of it will be un-sprung weight, plus its all down low. There are plenty of overland rigs out there that are around the 4 ton plus mark with lots of kit strapped on. The disco is a pretty slick and clean build in terms of accessories, its just got some tanked axles and tires.
Not at 70-75 mph getting to the overland
@@greggoett I guess its never technically going to be an overland vehicle by "overlanders" standards. Heavy, huge tires and one ton axles are not the mods that someone considering overland travel would think of when building a truck. I guess the reality is that this is more of an adventure rig with camping capabilities that will stay in the USA most likely. So based on that its parts and such will be supported. I think its a slick build and not over complicated but us humans like to label and categorise things so they fit in somewhere and calling it an overland vehicle will make it subject to criticism based on the gurus that came before us who set the stage. Anyway its a great build of masterclass fabrication!
So it's NOT going to drive the highways? Be a rig trailered to the trail? My concern was for the highway speed characteristics. Driving thru Montana.. trying to do near the 80 mph speed limit on I-90.. the twist and turns on mountain passes.. the road under repair heavy and fast suspension movement.
Does hwy speeds fine lol. Why wouldn't it? 1 ton swapped rigs drive on the hwy everyday 🤦♂️
@@DirtLifestyle 1 ton axles run down the road with massive amounts of weight unsprung. It can get into a tail wagging the dog situation. Lets say the front axle and tires are 1000 lbs. Hit a pot hole doing 75 mph. That energy being transferred into the rig.. what's going to handle it better 2000 lbs of front end on chassis in your rig.. or 4000 lbs of a actual 1 ton truck? Again.. you just want to be cautious of tail wagging the dog type situation. At a 5 mph crawl over rocks.. no big deal.. at 75 mph.. bigger deal. E=M*V^2. Velocity is squared.. so as speed increases.. increases the energy goes way up.. fast
Can you post a link to the radiator you bought for the Disco 2
Nope. It was a huge pain to install because the company didn't build it right. AND is way 500 bucks!!! You can find it though if you are willing to modify it to work. Just search on eBay 👍
Thank you
It really sounds like your going to need a supercharger 👍👍
I was a little shocked when I weighed my ‘80 chevy truck after doing a bunch of work. With a mild built 5.3 swap 33” tires on 15” wheels and 1/2t axles and auto trans it weighed 5300lbs. Upgraded to 3/4t springs axles and manual transmission, added winch, 35’s on 17”s, a topper, subs and it’s weighing 6100. Still need sliders and my goal was 6k said and done 😅 has me wanting a 6.0 because I occasionally pull a car trailer. It’s a little too easy to get a rig too fat 😆
Just throw some gears in the axles and call it a day. You'll get more of a return than a 6.0 swap
@@Chris-ob8ok with the 4.10’s I’m already doing 3k rpm at 70 and hating it. I live in the center of montana so lotta highway to get anywhere 😞
@@wethepeople406 how are you not in overdrive? 4.10s and 33s should put you at 2100 (ish) rpm at 70. The 6.0L doesn't have that much more power to make a difference to justify the cost, is all I'm saying.
@@Chris-ob8ok no overdrive on a sm465 and nv4500 is too much money to swap in
Ok, makes sense now.
If the GVWR on that Discovery is 7011 lbs, two people put you over your GVWR... No Bueno.
You should have weighed all the builds. What’s the Igloo weigh?
So.... The GVWR for an LR3 is 6880lbs.... Are you intending on getting it registered higher? You sitting in the driver seat alone puts you over.
Good data. Now how does that relate to your breaking system, and future sway bar project?
The brakes should be designed to stop a loaded 1 ton truck. An empty 1 ton truck weighs ~8000 pounds, so he should have more than enough brakes.
@@dafirnz as it relates to the mushy peddle feel Nate talked about in the previous video, I wonder if the master cylinder needs to be out of a 1 ton to be able to move the correct amount of brake fluid with the correct amount of peddle pressure?
Love the videos . but can I request that in videos such as this , would you consider adding weights in metric as well .
Yes I can go and convert it , it'd just be easier .
Hey man ,where did you get the rims and what are the specs ?
Where do you get high lift custom driveshafts from the place I was looking at says "4 inch lift max." Which makes no sense to me..
Call or email adams driveshaft off-road.
Tom Woods is another great one. Either will walk you through the measurements, and pinion angles, and will also give solid suggestions for what is really needed.
Adam's driveshaft👍
being that you added 1 ton axles, would this put you over your payload capacity now? with people food and gear your prob adding another 500-700lbs.
First guess 7200 lbs total weight, now let’s watch and see how far off that is
Edit: he added just over 1800 pounds from stock, I’m not all that surprised, I always knew overlanders were putting 3/4 ton truck levels of weight in a 1/4 ton chassis