Eight Men Out (11/12) Movie CLIP - Banned From Baseball (1988) HD
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The new Commissioner of baseball bans the "Black Sox" from the game forever.
FILM DESCRIPTION:
Writer/director John Sayles' dramatization of the most infamous episode in professional sports -- the fix of the 1919 World Series -- is considered by many to be among his best films and arguably the best baseball movie ever made. This adaptation of Eliot Asinof's definitive study of the scandal shows how athletes of another era were a different breed from the well-paid stars of later years. The Chicago White Sox owner, Charlie Comiskey (Clifton James), is portrayed as a skinflint with little inclination to reward his team for their spectacular season. When a gambling syndicate led by Arnold Rothstein (Michael Lerner) gets wind of the players' discontent, it offers a select group of stars -- including pitcher Eddie Cicotte (Sayles regular David Strathairn), infielder Buck Weaver (John Cusack), and outfielder "Shoeless" Joe Jackson (D.B. Sweeney) -- more money to play badly than they would have earned to try to win the Series against the Cincinnati Reds. Sayles cast the story with actors who look and perform like real jocks, and added a colorful supporting cast that includes Studs Terkel as reporter Hugh Fullerton and Sayles himself as Ring Lardner.
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Cast: John Anderson, John Cusack, Don Harvey, Perry Lang, Michael Rooker, Charlie Sheen, David Strathairn, D.B. Sweeney
Director: John Sayles
Producers: Barbara Boyle, Jerry Offsay, Sarah Pillsbury, Peggy Rajski, Midge Sanford
Screenwriters: Eliot Asinof, John Sayles
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John Anderson was so good as Judge Landis..Straightforward, tough, no b.s. And I've read many times how much of an SOB Charley Comiskey was. Would turn water off to save money, belittle players (which is why so many hated him), and made no bones about being in this strictly for himself.
Jeffrey Nocera made the manager bench his ace for two weeks so he wouldn’t have to give him his 10k bonus for winning 30 games, wouldn’t wash the uniforms but when he did he took it from their checks. He was a sleeze bag
Comiskey had one of the highest payrolls in baseball in 2019. I liked the movie, but calling him a cheapskate was a flatout lie.
@@mathman43 No it isn't . He was.
This pretty much forced the Players in all of Pro Sports to start a Players Union against the owners after this scandal
Bud Selig should have done this with Bonds, Clemens, Pettitte, Sosa, and McGwire. He never had the guts.
Wrong. Selig and the rest of major League baseball knew whar was up in the steroid era the entire time but decided to pretend they didn't know what was going on while throwing the players under the bus. That's why Jose Canseco wrote the book Juiced.
Selig should have banned himself along with them while he was at it by that logic. He knew all about it. He knew exactly what was going on in the game during that time. He simply ignored it and let it continue for as long as it did because Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, and those guys were bringing fans back to the game, along with new fans, and revitalized baseball after the strike of 1994 cancelled the rest of the season, including the World Series. The Summer of '98 covering the home run race between McGwire and Sosa to Roger Maris' record was the hottest story-line in sports that year. Subsequently, the biggest story-line in all sports from 2004 to 2007 was Bonds' pursuit of Hank Aaron's record. Whether they were loved or hated didn't matter, because people lined up the turnstiles and paid tons of money to see them. Which was all Selig and the higher ups cared about throughout that time. Fans came out in droves to watch Clemens, Pettite, and Gagne moe down hitters. The Steroid Era brought an air of excitement, energy, magic, and majesty back to the game of baseball that had been missing for a long time. Did that make it ok? No. But don't think for one second that Selig didn't know all about. He knew. But he stayed back and let it go on. And only when it was over, after he had sucked them dry of every last penny they gave the game, he left them out to dry. He's just as, if not more guilty, than they are. And if he's in the Hall of Fame, than Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, and all those guys should be in as well. If not, than Selig should be kicked out.
briagadaress Clemens and Bonds were good before they took steroids.
@@cajunboi4888 So what.. they took.. they are guilty.. PERIOD.
Same goes with the current commissioner's dealings with Houston. If Landis were around the Astros players and personal would have been banned left and right.
Judge Landis accepted the role of Commissioner requesting a lifetime contract and absolute power to act in the best interests of baseball. Those were another times, do not expect the actual incumbent to perform the same way.
For what it's worth, the incumbent commissioner, despite having only been in power for 8 seasons as of the posting of this comment, has banned more people from baseball than his 4 immediate predecessors combined (Ueberroth banned nobody, Giammati banned Pete Rose, Fay Vincent banned George Steinbrenner and Steve Howe, and Bud Selig banned Marge Schott) and is second only to Landis for most ban hammer swings.
Best scene in the entire picture.
The Ghost of Landis needs to return and investigate the NFL.
"Regardless of the verdict of juries,
No player who throws a ball game,
No player who undertakes or promises to throw a game,
No player who sits in conference with a bunch of crooked players and gamblers,
Where the ways and means of throwing the ball game are discussed,
And does not properly tell his club about it,
Will never play professional baseball again."
Imagine what Mountain Landis would have done to the Astros.
not allowed any of their black players to play lol
Are you dumb?
They would’ve forfeit the following season or promote the triple a team and sign any free agents. Everyone would’ve been banned by now.
Player Union wouldn't allow him to do it
@@erickh82082 Player Union wouldn't allow him to do it
Judge Landis was just as much of a cold SOB as Comiskey. Great ballplayers blackballed for life. I can't speak for all, but I don't think Weaver and Jackson deserved it
If you don't tell your manager about a fix or you take the money, you are as guilty as any of the players who are throwing the game. What kind of message would it send to baseball if weaver and Jackson were given a free pass? This was part of "cleaning up the game." Landis made the right call 100 percent.
They love to force people to snitch. Elitist bastards.
Cameron Beckner no Landis was a cold hearted jerk those guys were being treated like slaves and they were the best team in baseball so I don’t blame them they worked the hardest out of all teams and that fix wasn’t really a fix the players wanted out and lefty Williams was blackmailed
@@devpatel7154
1)while i do agree that comiskey was a greedy bastard and those players absolutely had legitimate complaints, those players attacked the integrity and spirit of the baseball. its not a game if your'e not trying to win or if it is fixed. it is a slap in the face to all the fans who pay to come see this team play. if landis didn't ban them, who's to say this wouldn't have become a normal thing in baseball? they got what they deserved.
2) they wanted out not because it was wrong, but because they weren't going to get paid by the gamblers.
3) lefty williams agreed to the fix before the series started. he was only blackmailed before his start in game 8.
Cameron Beckner ik but the circumstances were different here they even wanted to back out and these were the greatest players too it’s not like Pakistan cricket or cricket where they have no shame
A masterpiece of editing, this scene.
I think his measures are a must. If you want clean, honest players playing fair games, you have to be very strict about it in the first place. I can understand why they wanted to fix the games, but fixing games and accepting bribery are not right, whatever the reason might be. And examples are needed to prevent anyone who has any intention to fix games and accept bribery. I guess history has proven it right to be strict on it.
But look at the NBA and NFL. Fixed games are happening more and more and everyone knows it's the higher ups in both those leagues pulling the strings.
In my opinion, regardless if throwing the Series was right or wrong. The 8 players should not have been banned from baseball. (Not that it matters 100 yrs after the fact). The new rule came out after the verdict of the trial, after the incident.
New rules or laws, when implemented take effect from the point of implementation on. The incident happened prior.
An example, so to speak, would be like having a misdemeanor or 2 on your record and a new law implemented that those same misdemeanors were now felonies. Your record would indicate those were misdemeanors at the time of infraction. By banning these players is like upgrading your former misdemeanor charges to felonies on your record after they happened and were recorded as misdemeanors on your record. Which would hurt you in the workforce.
Yeah there was no rule in place, so technically they shouldn’t have been.
A slap on the wrist doesn’t send a message.
Here because of Manfort's "punishment" for the Houston Astros and Boston Red Sox.
I know right? I don't see how indefinite suspension for all offenders isn't the proper punishment.
... And their Fates were sealed.
This needs to Happen to the Astros next.
Nemesiz416 what about the Red Sox now that they’re being accused of the same thing?
@@ryanpmcp Fry em! Lol
Nemesiz416 It’ll never happen.
I wonder if landis tried to break the color barrier? Why didn’t he?
If that needs to happen to the Astros, then it should happen to the 1951 NY Giants too. They did the same thing as the Astros.
Whats so different from this and tanking teams that are losing to get a good draft spot?
Imagine what cold hearted Landis would’ve done during the steroids era along with the Astros cheating scandal. Baseball commissioners have gotten soft over the last 50 years. They need another Landis.
Although I disagree with the decision on the Black Sox especially with Buck Weaver and Joe Jackson we could really use a or the Kennesaw Mountain Landis
Weaver and Jackson are just as guilty as the rest of them.
Kevin well I disagree
Kevin have you seen Buck’s numbers
I Am Konner, batting 3rd in the order, with 4 other black Sox hitting immediately after him, weaver only needed to intentionally get out when he came up with RISP, and only during games they were trying to lose. So only like 5% of the time. Notice his 0 RBI in the whole series.
Kevin Also who even cares anymore just unban Joe so he can get into the hall I mean they already put salt in the wound by putting Cominski’s name on a white Sox ballpark and most nod the huge baseball fans weren’t even alive at the time and stop giving me dumb scenarios you aren’t going to change my opinion
Take notes Rob Manfred
You could make a movie about Landis himself.
He was a pretty interesting character.
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Still shocked the Astros cheated
boom
Landis seems like a miserable grump
Well this is an actor. Who knows what landis was really like
@MrAitraining he happily kept baseball segregated for two and half decades that's who he was
@@dflgjkdfkjdslhfkj happily? Stop adding your own commentary. The owners had been unified on that and set that policy themselves back to the 1800's. There was no written rule about it. If an owner wanted to sign a black player in the 1920's or 30's he could have. Landis didn't openly advocate it perhaps out of fear of his job or maybe deep down he just didn't want to. Point is, you don't know.
John Anderson always plays a white male authority figure.
This statement is pretty duplicitous since at the time "ratting" on anyone was considered the most un-American thing to do, regardless of the circumstances.
What? More like the opposite. This was at the height of the Red Scare where Woodrow Wilson and others encouraged their fellow Americans to be ratting on anyone and everyone that even had a dream about attending a Communist meeting. People were ostracized and punished who didn't do that. This was a time where many Americans were tattling and ratting on lots of people.
I think Weaver in the long run would have been better off ratting on his teammates. He may have lost a few buddies but he would still have had a career in the game that he loved so much.
We need more statesmen like Landis. That's what's wrong, today, with America.
you mean the man who kept baseball segregated for two and a half decades? ya of course
@@1313tennisman Yes, he did and that was one of the stupidest and wrong moves in MLB dating back to the 1890's. But Judge Landis also took organized crime out of baseball, or at least tried to. MLB in the 1900=1919 period was full of mobbed up guys and gamblers. Landis was no statesman but someone that couldn't be corrupted by the owners or the Mob was needed at that time.
@@1313tennisman Yes that was wrong but I can't imagine what he would have done to the steroid users or Astros.
Imagine taking baseball so god damn seriously.
Baseball was a huge part of American culture at the time. The scandal was a blow to the American way of life. It's called America's pastime for a reason.
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