Who has underrated this thespian? I have never heard a bad word about his acting. I have heard a lot of people say that he is a very good actor. I think he is great, you think he is great. Do you know people that don't like his acting? He might be unknown to some people, but underrated?
Right!? That year Eddie had over 300 innings pitched. Eddie's season record was 29 - 7 with a 1.82 ERA. Pitchers were worked harder in those days and you seen the gloves the players used were tiny, so fielding was more difficult. All the money went to the owners. In the off season all the players had regular jobs like everyday people
Eddie didn't deserve a PENNY of his bonus. You know why? Because he didn't win 30 games, and the contract didn't say anything about partial completetion. Maybe, maybe, he shouldn't have lost so many games that season, or sit out on purpose!!!! The owner isn't cheap, the labor is lazy and unreliable!!! Labor tends to be.
@@LeiSnowsyou’re being facetious, right? A lot of times milestones are set at nice even numbers or denominations of 5, just because it doesn’t look right to set a “28 game win mark.” It’s a motivational tactic used to get your player/worker to eek out that extra effort from their workers when usually they wouldn’t cuz it wasn’t worth trying. That being said, if the effort was clearly put forward, they just missed by a hair or two, not giving them the bonus would immediately backfire and destroy any little motivation said player has, moving forward…..it’s not always about just what’s in the fine print, as long as it concerns men with bright minds and straight morals
Imagine losing out on a bonus almost twice your yearly salary because the owner of your company sabotages you from working to get it. Then people get all mad when that person takes it out on them somehow.
Yes, that’s why unions were formed! A hardworking pitcher with an aging body sticking it out and his fat boss denies him the bonus money after shrewdly benching him for 2 weeks.
It isn't true. The $10,000 bonus opportunity was for 1917. He received a $1,000 bonus in 1919 for winning 25 + games on top of his 10,0000 salary making him the third highest paid pitcher in the American League. Its a myth set in motion by Eliot Asimov.
@@shanetrimble9265 Well, that's the movies!!! Besides, owners for the most part of a century were assh*les anyway, starting with that reserve clause. Even Mickey Mantle stated he took a pay cut after the '57 season because it wasn't as good as '56 even though his '57 numbers were really good also.
Comiskey: "I have to keep the best interests of the club in mind, Eddie." Translation: I don't want to give you any more of my money, even if you bring a good argument to the table.
He got his $10,000 bonus, but from a shady source. Didn’t matter, he was fixing to retire, anyway, and had no pension in plan. I’m okay that he was crooked! RIP Eddie! You did the right thing for the sake of your family!
1:42 Underrated move here is when Eddie rotates his shoulder. He knows he doesn't have many seasons left and his owner just f'd him so F it, go for the $$$
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. In the reserve clause era, players were treated like dirt by most owners, Comiskey being amongst the worst.
in hte old days owners were greedy. nowadays its the players. both sides are just as greedy. NO PLAYER deserves over 20 mil for playing a GAME esp ohtani's contract... he wil screw the dodgers with his deferred money
I read somewhere Eddie was denied his bonus in 1917 after being benched for two weeks and in reality was thinking of fixing the 1919 World Series as early as August. It was just changed and added to the movie to show the player's motives for the fix.
They call him Commie because he's a communist or CONSERVATIVE he dont pay his players a living wage. You see CONSERVATIVE corporate socialism dont work.
Sounds like how socialist walmart treats their employees. Pay is peanut shells and you work so hard and give them all the profits and they give you the peanut shells. SOCIALISM IN AMERICA. THE WORST KIND THE CORPORATE KIND.
They also won the world series in 1917 so he should have gotten his bonus but since tedd is a CONSERVATIVE socialist rightwing EDDIE DIDN'T GET HIS BONUS. CORPORATE SOCIALISM IN AMERICA IT DOESN'T WORK AND ITS NOT WORKING TODAY 2019 100YEARS LATER .
The 1920s were approaching and that reagan CONSERVATIVE greed was starting the robber barons and that's what destroyed AMERICA IN THE 1920s WITH ALCOHOL BEING ILLEGAL AND THE GANGSTERS AND OF COURSE THE GREAT DEPRESSION CAUSED BY RIGHTWING SOCIALISM. THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHTWING SOCIALISTS MADE ALCOHOL ILLEGAL IN CONGRESS EVEN THOUGH DEMOCRAT WILSON OUR GREAT PRESIDENT VETOED IT 3TIMES.
It was a tough time for AMERICA BECAUSE WE HAD 3 CORPORATE SOCIALIST PRESIDENTS. RIGHTWING COMMUNISTS HARDING COOLIDGE AND SOCIALIST HOOVER IT TOOK A GREAT DEMOCRAT FDR TO SAVE AMERICA AND FRANKLYN D SAVED US . THANKYOU FRANKLIN D YOU RECUSED US FROM THE SOCIALISTS 3 OF THEM. CONSERVATIVE CORPORATE SOCIALISM DONT WORK.
Sadly during this time players didn't haven't any power nor allowed to speak out. It was basically shut up and play. But come 1976 a sea change in MLB happened. Now they have a little control on where they get traded to, giving a little power into players hands.
I’m not positive, but think this movie makes Comiskey look more like a real human being than the tightwad he really was. Clifton James was so likable in Cool Hand Luke, Live and Let Die, Silver Streak, Superman 2, and Lone Star and I always see his heartiness in those characters including this movie, even when he played dumb fat sheriff’s. Ciccotte should have used his brains and guts and bargained with Comiskey for at least half the bonus. Of course that wouldn’t happen, he sent the players cases of expired champagne as their bonus. Eddie made $6,000 a year in 1919, almost $88,000 a year in 2019. It’s a good salary, but he was a Major League Baseball player, not an engineer or project manager! A big difference today!
Cicotte made $10,000 in 1919 and got a $1,000 bonus for winning 25+ games. The $10,000 bonus dispute was 1917 and Eddie was given several chances to make it before he was benched to be rested for the Series against the Giants. The movie is far from factual.
@@shanetrimble9265 thanks for clarifying that! I thought Comiskey was such a miserable little skinflint that wouldn’t give him a dime or at least some kind of bonus.
@@jondstewart You're welcome. I still think the players were exploited and should have been paid more. Go to SABR and read "Eight Myths Out" if you ever have the time.
Alexandre Bertrand-Lafleur When the movie came out, Charlie Sheen, John Cusack, and D.B. Sweeney were the ones on the radar, but only John Cusack had a large role. Charlie Sheen had maybe two minutes of screen time the entire movie with a line of dialogue here and there. D.B. Sweeney was already a nobody attempting to be part of the A-list of young actors, but considered major here because he was playing Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Why does everyone think the White Sox would have won the World Series in 1919 if it was on the level? The Reds had a better record that season. It's far from a lock that the White Sox would have won.
The White Sox were very tough to beat in 1917, 18 and 19. That's why they were the heavy favorites to win it all. They could've had their dynasty. But lack of payment from the Owner is what ruined this teams chance at being a Dynasty
This is fictional. No bonus actually was promised to him, and certainly not one that would have doubled his base salary. He had a chance to win his 30th game late in the season, but he had a poor outing. If you don't believe me, read Eight Myths Out from the Society for American Baseball Research.
David Strathairn is so underrated as an actor. Always has, always will.
He was good in The Sopranos when he appeared as well.
Good Night and Good Luck. Wow was he great
Who has underrated this thespian? I have never heard a bad word about his acting. I have heard a lot of people say that he is a very good actor. I think he is great, you think he is great. Do you know people that don't like his acting? He might be unknown to some people, but underrated?
I am glad, he gaves psycopath vibes. I wouldn't be surprised if he is, just by looking at his family history.
Oh, yes. I believe he should have won an award for this role.
Imagine being an owner with a pitcher who had a 29 win season. Think of what that would be worth now. Absolutely staggering.
Right!? That year Eddie had over 300 innings pitched. Eddie's season record was 29 - 7 with a 1.82 ERA. Pitchers were worked harder in those days and you seen the gloves the players used were tiny, so fielding was more difficult. All the money went to the owners. In the off season all the players had regular jobs like everyday people
Eddie didn't deserve a PENNY of his bonus. You know why? Because he didn't win 30 games, and the contract didn't say anything about partial completetion. Maybe, maybe, he shouldn't have lost so many games that season, or sit out on purpose!!!! The owner isn't cheap, the labor is lazy and unreliable!!! Labor tends to be.
@@LeiSnowsthey benched him for 2 weeks so he wouldn’t get the bonus.
@@LeiSnowsyou’re being facetious, right? A lot of times milestones are set at nice even numbers or denominations of 5, just because it doesn’t look right to set a “28 game win mark.” It’s a motivational tactic used to get your player/worker to eek out that extra effort from their workers when usually they wouldn’t cuz it wasn’t worth trying. That being said, if the effort was clearly put forward, they just missed by a hair or two, not giving them the bonus would immediately backfire and destroy any little motivation said player has, moving forward…..it’s not always about just what’s in the fine print, as long as it concerns men with bright minds and straight morals
That I’m guessing probably $2.3 million US dollars
Imagine losing out on a bonus almost twice your yearly salary because the owner of your company sabotages you from working to get it. Then people get all mad when that person takes it out on them somehow.
Yes, that’s why unions were formed! A hardworking pitcher with an aging body sticking it out and his fat boss denies him the bonus money after shrewdly benching him for 2 weeks.
@@jondstewart Yeah, I can't be that mad at Eddie for throwing the opener. He just wanted to provide for his family.
It isn't true. The $10,000 bonus opportunity was for 1917. He received a $1,000 bonus in 1919 for winning 25 + games on top of his 10,0000 salary making him the third highest paid pitcher in the American League. Its a myth set in motion by Eliot Asimov.
@@shanetrimble9265 Well, that's the movies!!! Besides, owners for the most part of a century were assh*les anyway, starting with that reserve clause. Even Mickey Mantle stated he took a pay cut after the '57 season because it wasn't as good as '56 even though his '57 numbers were really good also.
@@briannarivera6611 I would have to agree with you there.....but....athletes are overpaid nowadays so I dont watch anymore
Comiskey: "I have to keep the best interests of the club in mind, Eddie."
Translation: I don't want to give you any more of my money, even if you bring a good argument to the table.
Eddie: I’m get that money one way or another.
He got his $10,000 bonus, but from a shady source. Didn’t matter, he was fixing to retire, anyway, and had no pension in plan. I’m okay that he was crooked! RIP Eddie! You did the right thing for the sake of your family!
It's sucks to be him but he screwed over all of his teammates too. Also got Shoeless and Buck eventually banned. So iono man.
1:42 Underrated move here is when Eddie rotates his shoulder. He knows he doesn't have many seasons left and his owner just f'd him so F it, go for the $$$
LOL imagine Clayton Kershaw and Justin Turner sitting around like that and not getting recognized.
It almost happened to Turner early on in his career
Anyone whoever questions a players greed needs to research the old owners before free agency.
The greedy owners caused free agency to happen!!!
I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. In the reserve clause era, players were treated like dirt by most owners, Comiskey being amongst the worst.
in hte old days owners were greedy. nowadays its the players.
both sides are just as greedy.
NO PLAYER deserves over 20 mil for playing a GAME
esp ohtani's contract... he wil screw the dodgers with his deferred money
I read somewhere Eddie was denied his bonus in 1917 after being benched for two weeks and in reality was thinking of fixing the 1919 World Series as early as August. It was just changed and added to the movie to show the player's motives for the fix.
They call him Commie because he's a communist or CONSERVATIVE he dont pay his players a living wage. You see CONSERVATIVE corporate socialism dont work.
Sounds like how socialist walmart treats their employees. Pay is peanut shells and you work so hard and give them all the profits and they give you the peanut shells. SOCIALISM IN AMERICA. THE WORST KIND THE CORPORATE KIND.
They also won the world series in 1917 so he should have gotten his bonus but since tedd is a CONSERVATIVE socialist rightwing EDDIE DIDN'T GET HIS BONUS. CORPORATE SOCIALISM IN AMERICA IT DOESN'T WORK AND ITS NOT WORKING TODAY 2019 100YEARS LATER .
The 1920s were approaching and that reagan CONSERVATIVE greed was starting the robber barons and that's what destroyed AMERICA IN THE 1920s WITH ALCOHOL BEING ILLEGAL AND THE GANGSTERS AND OF COURSE THE GREAT DEPRESSION CAUSED BY RIGHTWING SOCIALISM. THE CONSERVATIVE RIGHTWING SOCIALISTS MADE ALCOHOL ILLEGAL IN CONGRESS EVEN THOUGH DEMOCRAT WILSON OUR GREAT PRESIDENT VETOED IT 3TIMES.
It was a tough time for AMERICA BECAUSE WE HAD 3 CORPORATE SOCIALIST PRESIDENTS. RIGHTWING COMMUNISTS HARDING COOLIDGE AND SOCIALIST HOOVER IT TOOK A GREAT DEMOCRAT FDR TO SAVE AMERICA AND FRANKLYN D SAVED US . THANKYOU FRANKLIN D YOU RECUSED US FROM THE SOCIALISTS 3 OF THEM. CONSERVATIVE CORPORATE SOCIALISM DONT WORK.
My favorite Baseball movie ... what an AMAZING cast ⚾️
Greed is one of the seven deadly sins
"29 is not 30..."
Ages, so damn well. F****** handsome!
"Twenty-nine is not thirty, Eddie. If you can't accept that, you spend a night in the box."
-Charles Comiskey
"You heard me."
"You heard me..."
0:20 That's a manual lift with scissor gate which often required attendants to operate there are buildings that still run them.
I didn’t even know elevators existed at all in 1919!
@@jondstewart Are you kidding me? They were already in common use by then, The tallest building at that time was the 60 story Woolworth Building in NY
I hate bosses like this, to be honest I would have done the same thing, they didn't really have much choice
Sadly during this time players didn't haven't any power nor allowed to speak out. It was basically shut up and play. But come 1976 a sea change in MLB happened. Now they have a little control on where they get traded to, giving a little power into players hands.
R.I.P. Mr James
And John "You'll play, Jackson" Mahoney.
"Any man's not happy with the money he's paid spends a night in the box."
"Twenty-nine is not thirty, Eddie."
I’m not positive, but think this movie makes Comiskey look more like a real human being than the tightwad he really was. Clifton James was so likable in Cool Hand Luke, Live and Let Die, Silver Streak, Superman 2, and Lone Star and I always see his heartiness in those characters including this movie, even when he played dumb fat sheriff’s.
Ciccotte should have used his brains and guts and bargained with Comiskey for at least half the bonus. Of course that wouldn’t happen, he sent the players cases of expired champagne as their bonus. Eddie made $6,000 a year in 1919, almost $88,000 a year in 2019. It’s a good salary, but he was a Major League Baseball player, not an engineer or project manager! A big difference today!
Cicotte made $10,000 in 1919 and got a $1,000 bonus for winning 25+ games. The $10,000 bonus dispute was 1917 and Eddie was given several chances to make it before he was benched to be rested for the Series against the Giants. The movie is far from factual.
@@shanetrimble9265 thanks for clarifying that! I thought Comiskey was such a miserable little skinflint that wouldn’t give him a dime or at least some kind of bonus.
@@jondstewart You're welcome. I still think the players were exploited and should have been paid more. Go to SABR and read "Eight Myths Out" if you ever have the time.
My favorite line, "Twenty-nine is not thirty, Eddie. You will only get what you deserve. Anything else?"
Look who is with David Strathairn (Eddie Cicotte)? Michael Rooker (Yondu) as Arnold "Chick" Gandil
Alexandre Bertrand-Lafleur When the movie came out, Charlie Sheen, John Cusack, and D.B. Sweeney were the ones on the radar, but only John Cusack had a large role. Charlie Sheen had maybe two minutes of screen time the entire movie with a line of dialogue here and there. D.B. Sweeney was already a nobody attempting to be part of the A-list of young actors, but considered major here because he was playing Shoeless Joe Jackson.
Why does everyone think the White Sox would have won the World Series in 1919 if it was on the level? The Reds had a better record that season. It's far from a lock that the White Sox would have won.
The White Sox were heavy favorites in that series.
The American League was considered the stronger league back then. Keep in mind that there was no interleague play until 1997.
The White Sox were very tough to beat in 1917, 18 and 19. That's why they were the heavy favorites to win it all. They could've had their dynasty. But lack of payment from the Owner is what ruined this teams chance at being a Dynasty
Some of you
You know who you are
Should be ashamed of yourselves
So back even then no one played for the love of the game?????sad
He got ripped off from something he rightfully deserved. Do you work for free? Do you work at all?
@@cgh7337 They work hard at making comments on TH-cam threads, and that should count for a lot, because people get paid on TH-cam now.
This is fictional. No bonus actually was promised to him, and certainly not one that would have doubled his base salary. He had a chance to win his 30th game late in the season, but he had a poor outing. If you don't believe me, read Eight Myths Out from the Society for American Baseball Research.
This man is correct and the only commenter on here that knows anything about the 1919 Sox.
“You heard me...”