YouTube Brass Wet Tumbling With Vinegar Long Term Results
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- (The complete video is on RUMBLE and PATREON) CORRECTION: We did use Dawn with the vinegar and water to achieve those results 6 months ago. The traditional wet tumble formula was water with LemiShine and Dawn. LemiShine is a mild citric acid. Wet tumbling testing was conducted 6 months ago using water, Dawn and vinegar (mild acetic acid) instead of the LemiShine. The results were good, but the question is asked on long term stability of the polished finish. This video is to report on that...
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I’ve been using “Brass Juice Case Wash” for almost three years. The results have been consistently superb! I first de-prime the brass; washing the cases in hot water with dish soap. Using the prescribed measure of the BJCW with distilled water, I put the brass into my Frankford Arsenal Wet Tumbler. After one to two hours (depending on the amount of brass cases), I then pour out the used solution into gallon containers (re-used multiple times). I simply rinse the brass with some distilled water before drying with my Frankford Arsenal dryer. The brass is prevented from oxidizing over a period of several months. No steel pins, no other solutions. After countless of thousands of brass for multiple caliper ammo, I still have not used up the original bottle!
Those flash holes @ 1:54 would drive me crazy. I'd need to deburr them right away.
Same thoughts lol! Those were gnarly!
Your Lemi-shine/Dawn results reflect my results. Years later, brass still looks good. 👍
After dry tumbling for over 25 years, I just received a wet rotary tumbler for Christmas. What amount of Dawn, and Lemi shine do you add to how much water?
@@randyschweiss847my recipe is. 4L water. One big table spoon dishwssher fluid. One table of spoon lemi shime. Water cold. Pins. I do decap before wash. 2 hours in home made bucket tumbler.
@@michal.abramowicz If you use lanolin based lubes try Woolite/Lemishine (citric acid is cheaper). I've been able to reduce the amount of Woolite to 1/2 Tbsp & 1/4 tsp citric acid and find that brass doesn't dull over time like it can with Dawn. The insides are also cleaner in 1-1/2 hours.
Years ago I was shown to use liquid car wash and Lemi-shine. I have been using a car wash with wax mixed at the same ratio of dawn and lemi and my brass comes out spotless and with the wax coat stays that way. The wax coat also helps the water to come off after final rinse. And no the wax coat hasn't cause me issues. The car wash actually works better than Dawn and if you don't want the wax coat simply buy it without it in the car wash. I have been using the orange colored Armor All and also used Meguiar's in the past with the same results, it's cheap and works great.
It's what I use. Great results.
A few caps of Vinegar is good to remove discoloration and blemishes. I learned this when I experimented leaving my wet tumbler all night. It had enough time to absorb the contaminants from the water. The entire batch became black! Vinegar got it clean again. With that said, Dawn and Lemishine does a better job in polishing . Adding vinegar dulls the shine a tad.
I actually have gone back to an old vibratory tumbler, from ultrasonic. To the walnut media, I add a cup of fine ground carborundum to remove 99% of the blemished brass. An hour in the vibrator is all it takes. Ultrasonic, I had to wait for it to dry, or force it by setting it in the oven on low.
Vinegar, is a weak acid, so it makes sense to use such.
I gave up on corn cob media, because it takes too long. I would have to let the tumber run for 5 or 6 hours to get the results I wanted.
I'm still using the same single stage press I started with 45 years ago. I sat down and calculated out a few years back, what investing in a Progressive would take, and I simply don't shoot enough to offset the cost invested vs cost savings to justify purchasing one. The funny thing though, is I shoot more often and frequently than the buddies I have who own Progressives do.
Besides, I enjoy the process of reloading as much as I enjoy the shooting. The careful attention to detail, and the crafting and work to develop the best possible load for guns I own satisfy's my inner Asberger's Syndrome OCD.
I do appreciate seeing the vids of what others are doing.
Happiness isn't just a clean gun. It's clean brass too. 😊
Your the such a great guy! Glad to see you're still making videos Mr.Lc
Happy New Year Steve.....
Thanks for all you do.
Great video like always!!
I have some ammunition that had the brass cleaned with dilute vinegar and Dawn dishwahing liquid. It was loaded and stored in GI cans some 28 years ago and still looks like new. Periodic testing has not shown any misfires or reduction in accuracy over the years. It works great.
I used to use walnut hull with a few capfuls of dillion brass polish back 20 years ago. I am just now getting back into reloading again after a long hiatus.
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Glade to see you on u tube . I'll stay with the le mey shine and dare. Works for me .vthanks again.
Good to see you again Steve. I would love to meet in person some day
ME TOO! Such an awesome guy and amazing teacher!
The plethora of Reloading YT channels out there have so much info to offer. It's amazing. It's how I learned 4 years ago. I had nobody I knew to teach me. The OG's of the Reloading YT channels, like 45LC Steve are the best humanity has to offer IMO. People that take time to share and pass on knowledge in a way that inspires passion!
Thank you. I'm going to order tumbler and dryer now.👍👍👍
If you add a splash of drying agent for a dishwasher to the mix there's no need for the dryer. I've gotten excellent results this way by just rinsing and laying the cases out on a towel for the evening or night.
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Hello! I actually found your channel when I set up my Lee Turret Press, and I was curious if I should trust the Lee Auto Drum. I've been using a Frankford Arsenal Intellidropper, and it's been great, but I liked the convenience of the Auto Drum. The video of yours I watched was from 2015, but once I finished that video, I subscribed and looked to see if you were still uploading! I'm glad you are! Thank you for the excellent content! Take care!
I've been using the auto drum for years with good results. Look around for the vids on forming the drum with grinding compound if yours leaks. Mine drops pretty consistent charges if you keep an eye on the amount in the hopper. Mine will vary about a tenth of a grain at most if I keep it between 1/4 and 3/4 full.
Thanks for the reply! I loaded about 100 rounds of .40 S&W yesterday, and I started by double-checking the charge on a scale for the first 5, then every couple, then fifth, then every tenth, and it was never more than 0.1 grain out of wack except once it was 0.2 light. I was really impressed. I was using Accurate No 5, and I wasn't sure how it would go, but that auto drum is great. I was using an Intelidropper previously, but the auto drum increased my output by quite a lot! Especially for handgun-plinking ammo where I am loading at 40% of max. I'm going to bring the chrono to the range tomorrow and see how close the velocities stick together! @@MegaLostOne
I use Dawn and 100% citric acid. Amazon has the citric acid. I get very similar results. Almost new looking brass even from tarnished range pick ups
Another good one thank.
I tried tumbling some old over 100-300 Weatherby Magnum brass with polishing medium for 5 hours and they came out with large corrosive marks on a few of them. So, I tried using dawn with the Lemmi shine booster and they still had the marks after2 hours, with little to no removal. I then went into the bath room and retrieved the toilet cleaner and i squirted some of that into the Dawn, lemmi shine mix and within a few minutes the marks were gone. Toilet cleaner has an acid in it. I remember using Nitric Acid on my shells in the late 60s , you could get it at gun shows in a plastic bottle. I was around 11 or 12 years old. Yes, I even reloaded my own brass for my 30-30, I molded the 176 grain bullets with a Lyman Bullet mold. The bullets took gas checks to keep from leading up the Barrel.
What you got at the gun show was most probably Ferric Chloride not Nitric Acid. Its used to remove the excess copper on a circuit board and it is readily available in electronics stores. Since it dissolves copper its not what you really want in order to clean your brass....!!
Lemi Shine is just a different weak acid. Citric acid instead of acetic acid. The vinegar would most likely react with any lead residues to make lead acetate.
Which is extremely dangerous
Great to see your videos. I've been using walnut hull media and then I throw in 6 to 12 used dryer sheets with the brass. The dryer sheets seem to collect a lot of the residue from the vibrating cleaning. The walnut hull is a lot cleaner than the corn cob at the start. The dryer sheets come out very dark and the brass is clean with no residue.
I cut a 'new' dryer sheet in 1/2" strips and add to each run of brass.
I ran a load of bottleneck brass through my vibrating bowl with walnut media this afternoon, with six whole dryer sheets, and they all came out about nearly black from the residue it picked up. I saw an article earlier where someone mentioned that they were they added full dryer sheets until they came out a much lighter color. These were used dryer sheets after going thru a clothes drying cycle. Hope this helps. G.
I started competitive shooting in 1982 and have taken on numerous experiments to clean cases , mostly rifle which is harder than pistol . I concluded that using Ivory clear liquid in the US and stainless steel media in a Lortone rock tumbler was the best and least expensive method . In NZ Ivory is not available and have found a cheap soap Solitarire , a solid , made for dishwashers to work very well. The real trick in all of this was the usage of RCBS Lube 2 which is a water dissolved lube of very high viscosity that no other lube I've tried even came close to,, it is NOT petroleum and as a result breaks down in water and soap . M Maxberry
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Re: contaminants from dry tumbling. Absolutely, yes. After tumbling with walnut and sifting that off, I then tumble with denim strips (cut from old pants) damp with 91% or 99% alcohol for about a half hour. This gets any remaining dust. Then I replace with clean, dry denim strips qnd tumble overnight or even for two days. I get an exceptional polish with the denim strip tumbling
Great idea! Never dry tumbled but that sounds great if I ever wanna try. I think there's some advantages for different applications.
I have a wet tumbler and use a table spoon of LemiShine and a drop of Dawn dishwashing soap and enough warm water to cover the brass plus about an inch extra. Tumble with
stainless steel pins for 2 hours and the brass comes out looking like new. Only issue is that the Lyman tumbler does not seal water tight unless I use Gorilla strength on tightening
the cap. Why they did not use an O-ring and groove system to EASILY seal the drum I don't know but going to that would be a HUGE improvement. I made a plywood tool for this
that looks like s big "U" with a 12" plywood handle at the bottom of the U. Works great. Nothing short of this will make this tumbler seal water-tight. Also, I never tumble any cases
unless they have been deprimed. I want the primer pocket and hole to be clean too and this does it.
I use a “Thumbler Tumbler” to wet tumble my brass with the Dawn/Lemishine mix and have never had any issues with the results or leakage from the drum. The Thumbler brand is more expensive but you get what you pay for.
@@gilbertdelgado6703 Thanks for the tip on the Thumbler Tumbler. I will look into that. The Lyman is a good unit except for its inability to seal leak-tight. I still
think that this is a design flaw, yet don't read a lot of complaints from other Lyman tumbler owners about this. I complained to Lyman about this and they sent
me another gasket but it worked the same as the original gasket, which is to say that it leaked. That's when I came up with the "U" tool, which works well. I hold
the tumbler on the bench by screwing down a couple of short 2x4 pieces that just fit the flats on the side of the tumbler. Not a perfect solution but it is a solution.
Just read some reviews on the Lyman and some suggest wetting the seal before tightening the lid. I have not done that, so maybe this is what's causing the leak
issues. One person mentioned that this was like wetting the gasket on an oil filter with oil before installing the filter. That made perfect sense to me, so will try
that next time. Odd that Lyman did not mention this in their wet tumbler instructions. Will be interesting to see how little tightening it will take to seal next time.
I can’t stand the smell of vinegar, but it’s nice to know I can use it in a pinch.
I deprime first, and use a quarter cup vinegar with a spritz of dish soap and let it run for an hour. I tried barkeeper's friend once, and while it was cleaner, it came out matte rather than shiny.
I had a question regarding twist rates of your Thompson center and you Remington 700 223 rifles,
I had watched your ammo test from a few years back
thank you for the videos
I have always used Dishwasher detergent for 1 hour, rinse and then 1 hour with car wax shampoo. Dry the cases in a dehydrator.
Tumble in walnut media and Lucas polish and they’ll look like high polished gold. That shine has so far lasted 9 mo in the open in my basement.
I have done all the media tumbling with vibration tumblers, corn cob media, walnut media and the newer method of wet tumbling. Once a person goes to wet tumbling and get a good brass dryer there is no going back. It is easier, faster and cleaner. But if you are happy with what you are doing just keep doing it. I have adjusted the way I do things with newer methods when they are better. Some things are not any better. But wet tumbling when done right is the best way to go in cleaning brass.
Lemishine with Maguire Wash & Shine. Looks new and stays so for months
I need a bigger brass tumbler. I have a small harbor freight rock tumbler that I use. In early 2023 I started collecting a little brass every time I go to the range. I have almost three 5 gal buckets full of 9mm and one bucket full of .223/5,56 brass. Thats not counting all the coffee cans full of rifle calibers and other pistol calibers. I was thinking of the big Frankford Arsenal tumbler.
Jerry Mickulek used to use a concrete mixer to clean his brass. Now he uses a few wet tumblers with stainless media from Southern Media. Not pins, it doesn't get stuck in the flash hole.
The larger Frankfort Arsenal tumbler is a very good one. I have one and it is serving me well. I have been reloading for over 40 years now. The old dry media thing is old school and not as efficient. More time consuming as well.
Was there any media used with these tumbled brass cases?
Seems like just about any way you go wet tumbling in general is way better all the way around than dry tumbling,, at least to my findings,, I've tried many different "recipes" in the wet tumbler and all of them seem to get clean nice brass as a result,,, I'll never use my dry tumblers again lets just put it that way.
I pretty much agree with you. There are some things those other tumblers are good for though. One could run old, tarnished bullets in them to clean them up. One also could use an old dry tumbler to moly coat bullets using stainless ball bearings. I used to do that but have stopped using moly for a while now. Even after saying that I don't use mine anymore either and I have several.
It would be fun to decap the Lemishine .45acp cases and run the through the vinegar to see the differences.
Have you ever tried adding some vinegar to the Lemishine mixture?
There are many additional uses for vinegar! Virtual every hiuse has a bottle sitting around.
I use Palmolive dish washing liquid and vinegar. I run the tumbler the full three hours and my cases look like new inside and out.
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He has a Patreon channel. Not all of his stuff gets to TH-cam. Many people are going to a patron platform to make money to pay for their time in putting together their videos. Personally, I like too many people as to subscribe to all of them. All I get is what you get the free stuff. If you want more from Fortune Cookie, you will have to subscribe to his Patrion channel.
15 deg in texas, could you give us the recipe for using vinegar again
You could watch the video again.
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Can you do a video on how to use the vintage 2 die reloading die sets for like 45acp? The steel dies. I have a set but no instructions. I bet there’s a lot of people out there that have an old set but may not know how to use them.
I doubt if the type of acid you use so long as you don’t use too much
That RWS headstamp 45 Auto brass looks cheepo next to the Federal brass.
Did you use steel pins for your wet tumble, or just water/vinegar/brass?
I will stick with the Dawn and Lemishine. Vinegar is for making pickles!
And as a rust remover..😊
Any tumble media?
So does the vinegar damage the tensile strength of the brass cutting down on number times it can be relòaded or does it damage the case making it weaker or susceptible to case repture
I don't think so at all, but when I replied telling the gentleman he was wrong he got quite upset. If you rinse the brass afterwards it's only in the vinegar for a short time and no it will not damage the brass. And if you think about it, it's diluted so much in the mix. Have fun.
I can't remember where I heard it, but I recall it being said that vinegar weakens brass.
Folks were saying exactly this when the lemishine and dawn mix was new. Time will tell.
Brass is a solid metal and nonporous. That means that the worst that can happen to it is tarnish on top of the brass which can all be removed.
any acid in large amounts will attack the zinc in brass. @@coldfront7914
@@coldfront7914 one can say the same thing about brass and ammonia but ammonia absolutely will damage brass.
Anything which has high amounts of ammonia in it's ingredient will effect the quality of your brass. From what I gather it forms corrosion cracking .
Only thing I don’t like is if you don’t dry the cases directly after washing I get a lot of water spots. I usually dry in the oven or throw in a corn cob media for about a half hour to dry the cases. I keep clean corn cob media to dry cases. That’s just me.
I have a LYMAN case dryer that I use. They really don't cost all that much when you consider how much money is spent in the sport of reloading. I have used other methods but the dryer or a dehydrator is a simple solution. Some people even use a clothes dryer. Some have shelves to put things like shoes on. When you look at the time it takes to dry brass by any other means than dehydrator or brass dryer, they are well worth their price.
I've been reloading 40 yrs
A little skeptical of wet tumbling
And getting them.dry
I pour wet cases on a dry towel, form a bundle, then swing the towel over my head then down between my legs and back a few times. Moves the water out of the flash hole and prevents water spotting from my hard water. Leave overnight to air dry completely, or use a hairdryer to load immediately.
I have been reloading about as long as you have. It is best to get a dryer made to dry brass or use a dehydrator. I was drying them the old-fashioned way and having to wait which leaves water spots. I even tried cracking the door in the oven running the stove at 200 degrees. It works but it kind of tarnishes the brass. So, I invested in a dryer made to dry the brass and I should have done it sooner. Just put the brass in, set the timer and let it do its thing. I use a LYMAN brass dryer. It does have layers of baskets. There are other brands out there. I am happy with the one I have though. The heating element is at the bottom where it should be some I hear are not.
Do you rinse the brass with distilled water after you pour off the cleaning mixture? And how do you dispose of the dirty cleaning mixture with Dawn? Thank You
Why would anyone use distilled water? Tap water is fine and just let it go down the drain. like anything else. What do we do with dish soap water when we wash our dishes. A dishwasher just puts it down the drain the same as hand washing. BTW if you have not wet tumbles which is seems you haven't by your question. You should purchase a dryer made for drying cases or use a dehydrator to dry the brass. You will be happy you did. You will get water spots if they air dry. You may get water spots anyway if you put in too much LemiShine.
honest question... who cares what your brass looks like? I've been reloading for 40 years and I just use standard walnut media with no additives and a couple torn up dryer sheets and I've never had an issue that I'm aware of caused by brass cleaning.. Seems like an unnecessary extra step...
You don't even need to clean it. I don't fight progress I roll with it when it's better. Wet tumbling is the best and easiest way to clean brass to look like new. We all have to live within our means. I can afford to upgrade when a better way comes along. I have been reloading for about 40 years now. If you are happy with what you do that is all that matters. I try new things from time to time and I am still stuck in my ways of doing some things the old-fashioned way without using power tools that are available for some things like primer pockets and neck trimming. Some things are better done by hand one at a time. If I were a volume shooter without as much accuracy in mind, I would use those methods. Sometimes when you look at a reload you did and it looks like it just like a new one out of the box you get a nice feeling. No it does not shoot any better and you don't even need to ever tumble it to reload it and shoot just fine. If you get old range brass you have to do something, but honestly mixed headstamps from the range don't make accurate ammo. Have fun reloading and shooting!
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When I use vinegar to clean my 9mm cases not tumbling but just shaking then for a few minutes, they become tarnished after a few days. What can I do to avoid this result?
Thanks for any assistance
I have seen people do this in the past. Cleaning them that way you get what you get. You will need a better cleaning method than that to look polished. Wet tumbler best way to go and use a dehydrator or a dryer made to dry brass. They don't have to look pretty to work OK but it's nice when they look like new. It puts a bit more pride in the work you have done reloading when they look as good or better than they shoot.
Thank you so much Garry, for yor attention. Nice day@@garrytalley8009
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I noticed the 9mm shown in this video at 1min and 50 sec, the primer holes were a lot different in size. How do you fix a primer pocket that has stretched too big to hold the primer in place?
you fix it by throwing it away.
Nope just not good enough for me. We as a reloading community have to do better than that. Looking for some answers to this issue. Do you know of any tool to solve this issue? I can improvise but I am wanting to avoid that and I seeking a more professional approach. I mean after all if you can swage brass in one direction why can't we reform it in the other direction? @@66smithra
Collect bad primer pocket cases, splits, bad rims, etc.
Take to a metals recycling place and get paid.
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vinegar and limi-shine both make your cleaning solution acidic, so there technically is no difference, use one of the other.
With or without stainless pins?
You need a media in the tumbler. By default, you use media. Only if one was not using media would they feel they had to tell you.
I don’t have Lemi shine in my area. What else could I use with the dawn?
Citric acid has been what I swapped to. Luckily for me the wife is into crafting and I just steal a 357 mag casing full of it and toss it in. I've gotten the same results with it as using lemi shine and dawn.
@@95fordtbirdlx how much dawn
You can get citric acid in the home canning section of your local store.
Can also crush up a vitamin C tablet.
Walmart carries Lemishine
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Vinegar will deteriorate the brass over time.
That will ruin your brass alloy, leaving nothing but copper. SOFT copper that self-destructs on firing.
You really don't know anything to make that remark. The solution is so diluted with all that water, and it is only for a little while. Professional Shooters use this method and those kinds of ingredients for their reloads. You really need to know more before making a ridiculous remark like that. Why don't you ask Eric Cortina what he uses to clean brass? It will be a wet tumbler with similar solutions. And you can TH-cam him if you don't know who he is. By your remark you most likely don't. He is a competition shooter with many trophies for his shooting.
@@garrytalley8009 I really know very well what I'm talking about. I've done it and stripped all the zinc out of my brass, leaving behind only super-soft copper.
I don't have any interest in what some foo uses to clean their brass. It's stupid to do that unless you don't care how long your brass lasts. If someone's a competition shooter, then they probably start with new brass and probably reload it only once anyway.
@@user-hy7cg9jg5rDo what you wish. I don't have a clue why you have a problem no one else on the planet has. At least no one has come up with this but you. People usually get soft brass from over annealing. Certainly, the first time I heard of it with someone cleaning their brass. I have never had my brass get soft from cleaning. I have been reloading for over 50 years. Tried lots of things I am pretty sure you haven't. Have fun reloading however you do it. It's supposed to be fun.
@@garrytalley8009 I clearly don't "have a problem no one else on the planet has". I've only observed something you personally haven't observed. When you gain some experience, you'll understand.
@@user-hy7cg9jg5r I have more experience than yourself. That is why I and others don't have your problem. Just clean brass the way you like. Like I said you don't even need to clean it to reload it unless its range brass.
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