The Jesus of Christianity and Islam: Can we reconcile the two? Richard Shumack & Mustafa Akyol
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- Does Islam or Christianity get the person of Jesus right? Richard Shumack, author of 'Jesus through Muslim Eyes' and Mustafa Akyol, author of 'The Islamic Jesus', debate the issues.
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We love Jesus, may endless peace and blessings be upon him!
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@@dervishnationDude you need Jesus if you want to have your sin debt removed. Only Jesus died to pay off that debt. Trust with confidence and understanding that He did so, and eternal life is yours. Performing a list of good deeds does not remove your sins. Please go to a very good bible teaching site, teachingfaith com and read or watch a series titled, 'change of mind'....afterwards you will fully understand the matter...all the content there is free.
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. (Tawbah 5)
We should love and respect all our prophets pbut equally
You love a fake, fictitious figure. Go do your research first before making an uneducated comment.
I'm a Jew who believes in Yeshua.
I read Hebrew & Greek.
Liar
Test Paul if one believe in him
HI JUSTIN.... Invite more Muslims onto your platform. Excellent discussion. The Muslim gentleman thinking was well balanced and nuanced.
I was looking forward to this on Unbelievable. Good one Justin.
Courageous guys, for finding material to build a bridge. Can't wait give both books a read. Well done to all involved.
The Islamic Jesus is 650 or so years removed from time of the Christian Jesus.
Nice. Good topic. Thanks Justin!
We are not saved because of what we _believe_ . Modern Evangelical Christians are _obsessed_ by believing a set of propositions about God and Jesus and salvation; and the implication is often that if your beliefs are incorrect then you might end up in Hell forever. That is as absurd as it is repellant. Christ in the NT is much more interested in the condition of your heart and what you do in regard to the poor, the oppressed, the sick, the imprisioned, etc.
I find some of the salty commentators dogmatically defending their point of view (on both sides) a bit off putting. The two guests on the show were excellent. Should serve as role models as to how one can stick to what they feel is the truth. But still converse with others with a touch of grace and dignity. If you can take anything from this conversation, take that. Nothing puts me off more then dogmatic religious zealots from any religion. Yes we can try to have a respectful discussion, express our point of view and arguments, and try to find out the truth, but then respect the conclusions arrived at by others. At the end of day you are responsible for yourself and no one else. This is not a point scoring exercise or competition. If someone has a differing point of view and he genuinely feels he is correct, let that be a matter between him and God. You will not be held responsible for his beliefs or world view. I am sure a just God will not punish any well meaning person for making a honest mistake, as long as he is sincere and genuinely believes a certain perspective as the truth.
Well, we do all have a lot of spare time on our hands right now, so why not attempt to reconcile the two? Afterwards, we can see if we can reconcile Tim Burton's Batman with Christopher Nolan's.
There are many christians who believe that jesus PBUH was only a human and I pray that they become the majority quickly
Great conversation! Mustafa, so good to hear from you. Yes, we worship the same God. I know that it is difficult to think that a Trinitarian is also a monotheist, but I am. There is one God, but I believe He has expressed Himself in 3 persons so He can minister to humanity effectively...humanity is the love of His life! All of history will come to a point in Jesus on the Last Day, the day of the bodily Resurrection and the making-right of all things. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and *the Word was God*. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being 4 in him was life, and the life was the light of all people. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it.
no you dont worship the same god. stop with that delusion. allah is not the same as yahweh.
Islam The Beautiful Religion
( Be Just )
Quran 5:8
'' O ye who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the HATRED OF OTHERS TO YOU make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. ''
Quran 4:58
'' Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing.''
( God's The Rules Of War )
Quran 2:190
'' Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. ''
Quran 2 :193
'' And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. ''
Quran 4:90
''.........So if they withdraw from you and cease their hostility and offer you peace, in that case Allah has not granted you permission to fight against them.''
Quran 8:61
''And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.''
( Stand Up For Justice )
Quran 4 :135O
'' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against YOURSELVES, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.''
Quran 16: 90
"Indeed, God orders justice and good conduct and giving to relatives and forbids immorality and bad conduct and oppression. He admonishes you that perhaps you will be reminded."
( Who Are The Good Human Beings? )
Quran 177
'' Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in God, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives charity; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. ''
( Freedom To Believe And To Reject )
Quran 2:256
'' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error ''
Quran 10:99
'' And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed - all of them entirely. Then would you compel the people in order that they become believers? ''
( Tolerance For Other Religions )
Quran 109: 1- 6
Say,"O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshippers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
( Protection for Idol Worshiper )
Quran 9:6
"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are people who do not know. "
Quran16:125
“Call people to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good teaching, and argue with them in the most courteous way”
( Friendship With Non Muslims )
Quran 60:8
'' God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. ''
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,->ANY
WRONG. There is only one God, and that God is the God whom real Christians believe in, and we believe that Jesus Christ is His eternal son and our only Saviour. There is no Allah for the true Christian. Please study Islam, and maybe spend some more time studying Christianity. You will soon, I hope, have your eyes opened.
@@psalm1197 You Christian don't even know that Jesus was white man or brown man then how can you say for sure he was God?
@@TrueViewers how? Allah is not a name but a title. the name of the Christian god is YHWH. there is nothign irrational or illogical in that.
Thank you for this helpful discussion. My only comment is that Mustafa said several times that the Jewish concept of God is close to the Islamic concept. This is not the case. If we let the Jewish scriptures (Tanakh) define God we see that the one transcendent God sends his spirit into creation (Genesis 1, 2 Samuel 23:2) and has his divine image in creation (Isaiah 6). The Old Testament experience of God was triadic. We could also say that God is father, relates to his people as sons, and comes to dwell with his people. None of these concepts are in the Qur'an.
Applied theology has prove that Jews unitarian concept of God is same with Islam. Please go to Tel Aviv or even Britain and see the gender segregation among Orthodox Jew between male and female that is so obvious, even so they even have seperate buses for male and female in Israel. You can watch youtube. This gender segregation can be seen in most practising Jew and Muslim majority countries. Although the segregation is uncommon nowadays, but this somehow reflect Jew and Muslim share more common belief than Christian.
You're representing a mostly Christian interpretation; ask any Jew whether their beliefs are more similar to Muslims, and they won't even hesitate to say yes.
There is no such idea of the Jews that God the Father became a son, and you just misinterpreted those verses about the holy Spirit of God.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secret text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
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Mustafa says the epistle of James was written by James the brother of Jesus because the epistle identifies the writer of it as such. While traditionally attributed to James the brother of Jesus, the letter itself does not say so. I wonder how closely he read it.
I think there was a lot of ad hoc on the side of Mustafas argument. I think he avoids some of the strongest evidence we have of Jesus’ deity in the earliest accounts. The Synoptic gospels and the OT all point towards the deity of Jesus and fulfillment of Jewish law in a rather seamless manner (his life and ministry really does align and reiterate a fulfillment for Jewish events and tradition). And even Jewish scholars like Allan Segal point to the evidence for a plurality in the earliest Jewish thought of God, giving a case for the Trinity to have sufficient basis. Mustafas argument seems to avoid the fact that the Islamic sources and Quran actually affirm the authority and preservation of the earliest gospels during the time of Muhammad who had much interaction with 7th C Jews and Christians. If this is the case, then they should accept what the Bible at that time said about Jesus (which is the same today). However the Quran explicitly denies the death, deity, and resurrection of Jesus (the core belief of the faith) which then contradicts with the Quran itself when it says Jews and Christians must judge but what Allah has revealed in the Torah and Gospels.This is what we call the Islamic dilemma. There seems to be some holes in Mustafa narrative about the historical Jesus, Pauls theology and his adherence to the earliest accounts (he knew the first disciples so how could he have “changed” it) and the clear plagerizarion of Gnostics/apocryphal writings in the Quran that NO scholar would deem as authentic became they came TOO LATE.
Hello, with my respect, I think you have misconception about Islam. The prophets including the final prophet Muhammad peace be upon him are part of Islam. Jesus who is referred to as Isa in Quran, is believed in Islam as a prophet who is a messenger of God, and not his son. God cannot have a son, as the concept of birth and death only exist in our world. If that is the case, then Adam, the first Prophet should be the son, wouldn't you think? God is absolute, we were all created by God, thus one cannot be a son. You have to realize that Jesus who's referred to as Isa in our Holy book is still highly respected. We also believe he will return, and that he is one of the few in haven who's still alive. All the prophets are part of Islam, so to say that Islam didn't exist is not true. Starting from prophet Adam, Nuh(Noa), Ibrahim(Abraham), Musa(Moses), Isa(Jesus), all the prophets that are believed by Jewish and Christian are prophets with the same message sent by the same God(Allah) and are part of Islam. Muhammad, peace be upon him, was the last prophet sealing the prophet hood and brought the last message from God(Allah), which is the Quran. I don't mean to start any arguments, I just wanted to point that out. Be open minded bro, you can read Quran and clear up things your self, if you have any misconceptions. You have the right to decide on what you want to believe in, that's something God(Allah) has blessed us with. But, at the same time, we should always look around and search for the answers our selves.
Rahime Rayane Yes, I understand all that and I’ve read the Quran and Hadith to know enough about all this. Your mention of Isa as a “son” is an Islamic misconception (spewed by the likes of Zakir Naik who know nothing about what Christianity actually teaches) of the ORIGINAL and Historic Jesus (and yes the Quran Isa is a counterfeit and I’ll explain why). NO CHRISTIAN EVER says that the God of the Bible had SEX in order to have Jesus. The father/son relationship is not biological, rather it describes a relational, eternal reality of the two. Jesus had ALWAYS existed with the Father along with the Spirit-this is the Trinity. So the Quran really makes a theological error here because it couldn’t even describe basic Christian doctrine that was around the time of Muhammad. Keep in mind Islam was introduced in the 7th century, 600 years after the life, death and resurrection of Jesus. Which brings me to my next point. The Quran contradicts with HISTORICAL evidence for Jesus. You look at the earliest eyewitness accounts by non-Christians and even hostile writers like Marabar Sarapian, Josephus, Tacitus- all writing DURING the time of Jesus and historians all say that it is one of the certain facts of history that Jesus died by crucifixion. So then why in Surah 4:157, “they neither killed nor crucified him”. If the Quran is supposed to be the clear and true word or allah then why is it that the most certain facts of history in contradiction with the Quran (I can give other examples).
By saying that “all prophets are part of islam” is actually a logical fallacy as prophets like Moses and Jesus taught a completely contrary message than Mohammed. In fact, morally they are opposite. If you are to take the Quran at its word that the torah and gospel are also the word of allah and they have been deemed authoritative and preserved, then either allah didn’t realize that the message of both Jews and Christians stood in opposition to Muhammed or he wasn’t a good communicator to make it clear that these texts were “corrupted” (the common Muslim argument against the bible for which there is no textual or historical evidence). Many of the key themes of the old and new testaments (temple sacrifice, Levitical priesthood) are somehow ignored in the Quran. It doesn’t actually complete or address any major theological issues presented in the bible. My issue is not with Islam necessarily, but its claim to revere the Jewish and Christian scriptures and prophets when it blatantly doesn’t. Muhammed himself persecuted and drove out the Jews and Christians from Arabia (Sahih Al-Bukhari Volume 4, book 52, Number 288; see Tafsir commentary on Surat at-Tawbah) during the last 12 years of his prophethood. Any peaceful attempt to bridge gaps with Jews and Christians in the Meccan period (when he was a minority) turned into attacking of anyone who opposed his message in Medina period (when he had the upper hand). This is Historical fact. Which again is why anyone who looks into the sources is wary to trust “islam is a religion of peace” when the final revelations were explicitly violent toward unbelievers when Muhammed assumed more political control in the later part of his life. The final message (Surah 9 is the last to be revealed according to history) is not make peace but actually subjugate the unbelievers and anyone who doesn’t believe in Allah. Which jew and Christians don’t and never had! It’s why Jews in Mecca opposed him because he was trying to assimilate ideas and say he came to fulfill a final message but it completely goes against the Torah. Read some of the Old testament stories and what the Quran says. There are errors in names and historical accuracy. I can go on about this stuff… It stacks up.
So believe me, I am open minded. I have gone on this journey myself and I am always interested in religions and in going where the evidence leads. The evidence is clear. I would encourage you to do your own reading of Islamic sources. Particularly the historical accounts of Muhammad, Sahih Al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim and what great Islamic scholars have said. And to you… also likewise, read the bible. Before you make any judgement claim against it without having actually read it through. I think the same “closed-mindedness” you think I have, I have to say the same within Islam. There doesn’t seem to be an honest dialogue about these issues but mere regurgitation of Islamic Apologists’ arguments without investigation on the parts of believing Muslims. Actually look at the sources and history yourself and not just what you are told by those at the top. In .y dialogues with Muslims, I find that many Muslims have no idea what’s in their sources and what they believe is almost mythical-just stories they believe traditionally passed down without being grounded in early sources. My ex-Muslim friends tell me the reason they leave is because they realize they have been lied to or at least kept away from looking into texts themselves and taking a objective view at the evidence for BOTH Islam and other religions. For example, the same textual and historical and theological criticisms people for centuries have made about Christianity and the bible, apply to Islam and the Quran. See what you find. It is not done enough.
@@Syd_3 Listen to me , God says For I am God and not man. God is not man so you can attribute to him a man's characteristics. He is well beyond that. All of this degrades the status of God, into imperfection.because allah ( GOD ) is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, and is completely separate from His creation, God has attributes of perfection whereas Man is the opposite, likening or associating the human with God or qualities of lesser beings to Him is considered to be the greatest sin in Islam,. Allah ( GOD) has no partners, no equals and no rivals Allah ,There is nothing above or comparable to Allah There is nothing that exists except that it is completely subservient to Him .Islam considers calling a prophet the son of God or God, an insult to the Creator. God having a son would make Him like His creatures. Yet, He is Unique He is One, different from all of His creatures. If He has a son it would make Him like His creation. Islam is free from this kind of confusion.. .
@@Syd_3 , according to the Bible, Jesus was born, ate, slept, prayed and had limited knowledge all attributes not befitting God. God has attributes of perfection whereas Man is the opposite. How can anything be two complete opposites simultaneously?
Jesus was miraculously conceived with no father and also performed great miracles by the will and permission of God. He spoke as a baby in the cradle to defend his mother against the people who accused her of fornication. The Quran also states that Jesus gave life to the dead, cured the leper and the blind all by the will of God. The fact that Jesus (peace be upon him) performed miracles does not mean that he was anything more than a humble servant of God. In fact, many Messengers performed miracles, including Noah, Moses and Muhammad (may peace be upon them all) and these miracles only took place by the permission of God, so as to demonstrate the authenticity of the Messenger.
Christians who came from a Greek or Roman background, later misused this term. In their heritage, ‘son of God’ signified an incarnation of a god or someone born of a physical union between male and female gods. This can be seen in Acts 14: 11-13, where we read that when Paul and Barnabas preached in a city of Turkey, pagans claimed they were gods incarnate. They called Barnabas the Roman god Zeus, and Paul the Roman god Hermes. Furthermore, the New Testament Greek word translated as ‘son’ are ‘pias’ and ‘paida’ which mean ‘servant,’ or ‘son in the sense of servant.’ These are translated to ‘son’ in reference to Jesus and ‘servant’ in reference to all others in some translations of the Bible. So, consistent with other verses, Jesus was merely saying that he is God’s servant.
Muslims believe that Jesus Christ was one of those Prophets. We believe that he was a human being, not a God nor the son of God. He was sent by God to us as a Messenger, to deliver to us the Bible and to guide humanity to the right path. God gave Jesus the ability to perform numerous miracles so that his people would believe him and follow his teachings. These miracles include curing the diseased, giving sight to the blind and even raising the dead. However, these miracles were performed by the will of God, and not by any special ability of Jesus himself, as he was just a human being and a Messenger of God.
Islam teaches us to love and respect all the Prophets of God, but loving and respecting them does not mean worshipping them because worship is due only to God. Acknowledging Jesus as a Prophet of God and becoming a Muslim does not mean changing or losing your Christian identity. It is about going back to the original and pure teachings of Jesus.
the questions arise, is humanity guilty for the sin which Adam committed by eating from the tree he was forbidden? Must we all repent from that great sin? In what way is one to repent? And if so, what is the fate of those who did not? Islam strictly promotes the notion that the punishment of sins will only be faced by those who commit them. Sin is not a hereditary trait or ‘stain’ passed to one’s progeny one generation to another. All people will be accountable to what only they themselves did in this life. Therefore, even though the Quran mentions the sin of Adam and how he was banished from the Garden, it places no responsibility on the shoulders of his progeny.
does not necessitate that Jesus is divine in essence or spirit, nor is he worthy of worship, for Adam’s existence was more miraculous than that of Jesus. If his miraculous birth were a proof that Jesus was God incarnate or His son, then Adam would have more right over this divinity than him
Abraham.... Monotheism. God is one.
Moses.... Monotheism. The first commandment "Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One."
Jesus.... Monotheism. The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with ALL your heart and with ALL your soul and with ALL your mind and with ALL your strength
Quran... Monotheism. [3:18] God bears witness that there is no god except He, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge. Truthfully and equitably, He is the absolute god; there is no god but He, the Almighty, Most Wise.
Paul.... Polytheism. 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. AND there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
There can never be an "and" with God. It is always God alone.
Deuteronomy 32:39 See, or understand, ye, that I am God alone, and none other God is except me; I shall slay, and I shall make to live; I shall smite, and I shall make whole; and none is that may deliver from mine hand. (See ye, that is, understand ye, that I am God alone, and there is no other god except me; I shall kill, and I shall make to live; I shall strike down, and I shall make whole; no one can rescue anyone out of my hands.)
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Buddy, please do not agree that the divinity of Jesus was there at the beginning. This is total nonsense. Jesus was proclaimed to be prophet throughout his ministry and after his death. IN fact, not just any prophet but the prophet that Yehovah promised Moses he would send to the Israelites. Jesus was also revered as the anointed one and the begotten son of god. Its also nonsense that Paul teaches that Jesus was 'God'. There are multiple clear and unambiguous statements from Paul that clearly show he believed that Jesus was utterly distinct and separate from the Father, God Almighty, God the Most High, YHVH, Yehovah. I can't wait to read your book!
The stand point of Islam is clear that only worship to one God as per Al-Qur'an said.
There are many Christians who believe in the injil and believe that Jesus pbuh is only a human and that God is not triune but one
I am
Mustafa you think? What do your scholars say? Is the koran eternal or not?
Who cares whether James did/did not mention the Crucifixion!!!! Talk about grasping at straws! Furthermore, James NEVER refers to himself as Jesus' (half) brother contrary to what Akyol said (neither did Jude, who was Jesus' half brother - he referred to himself as a bond-servant of Jesus) AND, there are more than enough passages in the O.T. that point to a Divine Messiah (Isaiah 9:6 being one of the major ones)
Bulus (PBUH) was not legalistic because Taurat/Torah was not originally seen as legalistic, but rather as a guidance to the Jews, Isa al-Masih opened Bulus' spiritual eyes, so that Ruh al-Qudus could help guide mankind through Bulus. Isa al-Masih is in Allah and Allah is in him. Thus, Bulus seen Isa al-Masih as the visible image of Allah, but Bulus clearly taught Isa al-Masih was the man who embodied the fullness of the divinity. Yuhanna Rasul al-Masih/John [the] Apostle [of] the Christ in his Injil refers to Isa al-Masih as Kalimatullah. Note that Theos in Greek is both a noun and an adjective. 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the god(o theos), and divine(theos) was the Word. The same was in the beginning with the god(o theos).' - Yuhanna 1:1-2
What are you trying to say
@@theguyver4934 I am saying that Bulus/Paul (PBUH) knew and taught that Isa al-Masih the Guidance/Word of Allah made flesh. And that there is no contradiction between Ahsana al-Hadith(the Book commonly called al-Quran) and the Holy Bible, mere that wording is very different. I am a Bible-believing Muslim by the way.
@@idris_haris_al-kalima - Finally a Muslim like me who believes in the Bible but having said that why are most Muslims so blunt at Christians by saying that their books are not reliable or changed (corrupted)
@@theguyver4934 It is because the Abbasids fabricated says of Muhammad, as well as purposefully conflating the Hebrew Machmad and the Hebrew Ma'ahamad together with the Arabic Ahmad to create an Arabian Prophet named Muhammad in later sources.
'And when Isa ibn Mariam said, "Children of Israel, verily I, the Apostle of Allah, am sent to you confirming the Torah that is between my hands, and giving good tidings of an Apostle who shall come from after me, whose name shall be praised." Then, when he brought them the clear signs, they said, "This is a manifest sorcery."' - Surah 61:6
This verse is clearly about the fact that both Isa al-Masih and the Holy Spirit are Apostles of Allah, and the name of the Holy Spirit is worthy of praise.
@@idris_haris_al-kalima - And another thing what is the true massage of the cross and not the atonement but it's mystical meaning behind it and do you think it's massage is something that will last forever
What is the difference between Islamic and Christian Christian eschatology -both believe in the physical resurrection of body followed by the Judgement Day.
CD it is still the resurrection of body on the Judgement Day. There is no essential difference! It is the eschatology that underpins All Abrahamic religions.
What about muta? A temporary marriage for money? Legalised prostitution?
Again "mut'a" is NOT part of Islam. It is part of Shi'izm which a Pagan Zoroastrian Magian religion. Study and learn the difference.
@@seekfactsnotfiction9056 muhammad allowed that. you may lie and lie and lie about islam but the truth will always prevail. islam is going down.
@@tigers14 please pe precise ....in early islam it was around however it was abolished by the prophet after....only the shia practice that now so please dont paint them all with one brush.
wow. This guy doesnt say pbuh after saying Mohammed or Jesus. Bad bad Muslim.(kidding)
I wouldn't say bad Muslim but neglectful they are both highly respected figures in islam the messiah and the seal of the prophets
Most things I know about Islam is from "David Wood", "Islam Critiqued" and "Reasoned Answers apologetics videos". Those go into the early sources of the Islam and in the more radical interpretation that is a bit foreign for the western Muslims. And most Muslim responses there are more on the emotional side.
I like that here there is actual research and looking at actual history. I think the conclusions are wrong but I respect the process.
@Tom Harry I do. He's the word _emotional_ in person.
@Tom Harry I know.
Emotions can be healthy. And some people react more to a confident argument and some people react more to a smart sounding one.
@أســامة القـيسي
I'm aware that David Wood is a popular level polemic. And popular level stuff is more superficial. That's why I like to also listen to Lloyd De Jongh. He goes pretty deep into things like the sharia law and Dawah manuals.
@Tom Harry And Islam is dying in the east. If it wasn't for the high birth rate and the high social cost of leaving Islam, Islam would be shrinking quite a bit by now. But thanks to the internet it won't take long until even the birthrate can't prevent the downfall of Islam anymore.
@Tom Harry The numbers of Muslims is way higher than the number of Europeans. And they tend to bring instability wherever they go. That's why I don't want them in Europa in large numbers.
And no, Christianity isn't dying. There are plenty of church growth all over the world. Especially in countries where they are persecuted like China and Iran and such. And if I'm not mistaken then conservative parties all over the western world are growing. But the media isn't very good at tracking those trends. Since most of the western media and education is pretty left leaning with a blind spot to everything conservative. Because of that I'm not too sure that the western world is dying as much as you are claiming. It just needed a bit of a wake up call.
Reform islam ? Good luck with that. Equating the authority of Jesus regarding His critique and interpretation of the Jewish law with Muslim reforming Islam today is like asking today's Christians to correct Jesus's views and teachings. Think about that.
We can find hopefull wishing everywhere.
No not even close
*THE ISLAMIC POSITION OF PAUL...*
Paul was sincere, but he was sincerely wrong.
Yes, I wouldn’t say he was that bad.
He didn’t believe Jesus was God, he said that God was in charged Jesus.
But he did break the law, and made the story about the original sin and atonement.
@@HasanKhan-iu7ge - Watch a video called the cross of Christ and Paul the apostle by proveyourfaith in it he explains why Jesus pbuh died and why Paul isn't wrong
@@HasanKhan-iu7ge - There are many Christians who believe in the injil and believe that Jesus pbuh is only a human and that God is not triune but one
Why are there 37 different readings of the koran? Which reading is eternal? True does not compromise, why did Yeshua deny the Pharisees? This Christian is not a Christian.
I thank you for the effort, but at large I do believe we should come to acceptance that our faiths are two different faiths. That does not mean that we cannot respect and accept each other, quite the opposit.
Well said... and to add.. there's no need to demonized the other.
Mustafa is the Koran eternal?
So etern4l all0h is a 📙 book then
Mustafa, Isaiah 53? The suffering servant.
Yeshua died and was raised according to over 500 people for a period of 40 days.
*citations needed
Mustafa isn't a jew.
'TonkTheStonk' - do you believe Jesus is Divine & in the Triunity of God?
It would do you well to learn how to reply to a comment, not just post a new comment.
Don't sell out Christians.
Muslims - "We are slaves to Allah"
Jesus - "me and my mates are hungry. Allah make us a meal and serve it to us"
Quran 5:115
Said Jesus, the son of Mary, "O *Allah, our Lord, send down to us a table [spread with food] from the heaven* to be for us a festival for the first of us and the last of us and a sign from You. And provide for us, and You are the best of providers."
Allah said, "Indeed, I will sent it down to you, but *whoever disbelieves* afterwards from among you - then indeed will I punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."
I don't understand what this comment is trying to say. This is merely just another miracle to affirm Jesus' divinity (as a prophet), and another proof given to the people that he was righteous and had the seal of prophethood
@@ej8530 what miracle did Jesus do here? Muslims serve Allah
Allah served Jesus food
@@heathersoares186 slightly missing the point friend. 'Serve God' means to submit one's will to God, obey commands etc. When Allah's sent a banquet from the heavens (that some writers of tafsir and seerah wrote that people ate from the same banquet for 40 days or so), this was a sign to those of ate from the table, and saw the table descend, that Jesus was in fact an apostle of God. Other miracles included the carving of clay birds, reviving the blind etc. Falsely equivocating here slightly friend
@@ej8530 1. Look up the word Divinity before using it. It means . A religious being, like a god or angel
2. Muslims say Moses is the Kalimullah the one who talked to Allah. This shows Jesus also did so.
3. Muslims say Allah can only interact through the world through his prophets and angels here Allah sends food down and says if you don't believe it happened this way he will punish you.
@@heathersoares186 1. A religious being includes a prophet, a God/Angel are examples of religious beings. Please don't give me this nonsense
2. No, Musa spoke to Allah directly, Isa made a dua'a (supplication) to God and asked for a further sign. Every prophet did this, and Muslims make dua'a all the time. Musa is an exception because he was spoken to directly (through the fiery bush).
3. This one was really silly sorry to say friend. The whole definition of a miracle is the intervention of Allah (through the natural world). As you know I'm sure, muslims say Musa, for example, didn't split the river (by himself) but through the guidance and provisions of God (same for every prophet and miracle, for they were just men). Problem is sir, you have confused and conflated, and really approached Islam, from a very shallow and reductionist point of view.
Ultimately, it is you (as I assume you're a Christian) who believes in a limited God, with, let's be frank, extremely contradictory and confusing explanations regarding His (God's) nature (in so far as the trinity). There is no reason to logically assume Jesus was God too (but I guess that's its less pure rationality and more theology).
Also, you have a Bible that has not been preserved, and has several theological inconsistencies between different versions (with literally different words that have no chain back to those who wrote it, because even the disciples are merely pen names; their lineage is completely unknown, as well as their characteristics etc)
Thank you for reading sir, waiting for the response
The real question is whether the Jesus of the synoptic Gospels is the same as the Jesus of Paul or the Jesus of John. Because the Jesus of the Gospels is very much the same, for the most part.
IMO Short answer is YES they are the same Jesus.
@J. C please do not take offense, but the evidence against Paul is overwhelming. Paul created Christianity with his definition of Jesus as a sacrificial son of the Creator. That is just so blasphemous on several counts. The idea of the Creator having for an offspring a minuscule, powerless, flesh and bone, human on this puny speck of dust that is hurling through the vacuum of space, is an ignorant devaluing of God Almighty. It is so offensive, especially of what we know nowadays about the vastness and complexity of the universe. God needs nothing. Procreation is a means by which our Lord brings souls into this world for their test. It is abhorrent to think of God as having a son. He simply says Be and it is. God procreating with humans is like you making love to a virus. Would you find it insulting if someone claimed a microscopic virus is your son? It is actually much much much greater of a insult than that. God is so much greater than any of His creation, and He controls every electron, every force, continuously. The universal constants that make matter as it is are maintained second by second by God. Jesus would have just evaporated into nothingness if God stopped upholding creation. God even supplies our thoughts, our actions.... everything.
Jesus said worship God alone and obey the commandments for your atonement. Paul said God sacrificed his son for your atonement. It makes zero sense. Even the atonement mechanism is displaced and confused for people by Paul. Now ask yourself, "Who would want people to ignore God's commandments?" Satan of course. Who would want us to pronounce horrendous blasphemies about God? Satan of course. Satan has pulled the wool over the collective eyes of the world. We humans are so arrogant that we think we would be able to detect all of Satan's plots. We underestimate Satan's deceptive ability. God guides. Peace. PS. God has sent so much more information if you are interested.
Thank god the Muslims have their complex rules about who is to speak about Islam (Islamic scholarship 'ulama' ) and this Mustafa is not even 2% of a degree of Ulama. So let nobody say that this talk is an Muslim opinion
@J. C oke so this mustapha IS a Muslim scholar who completed university islam? Be clear about where I'm wrong. I didn't mention pre islam but Islam itself is something he has no authority to speak about, he has your authority but not from the Muslims, and that is what is said
@J. C he told some things about islam itself. That's why i wrote my first comment. He can talk pre Islam or Christianity all he like, but not Islamic interpretations. In Islam this is protected by complex rules for someone to give verdicts, and he isn't one of them. So 95% of Muslims won't even bother to listen.
Imagine why he is on this program and not on those of Muslim scholars.
But the way Christianity hasn't got the strict rules for passing verdicts about their faith like Muslims have, that's a fact
@J. C fiqh is jurisprudence like each country and society has one. Nothing to do with Christianity. And why societies have jurisprudence? What kind of question is that 🤔 this is what I mean when you let the ignorant speak
Fiqh are rules that had also its existence in the time of the prophet. And in that time the isnads and mutawatir didn't exist, so how can u bring that as a need for fiqh to exist.
I can't speak to you an ignorant anymore take care
@J. C "As I said all of your concepts of "Figh, Qiyas, Ihsan, Islam" the whole madhab you believe in is gathered into one man, Jesus." what do you mean exactly?
Who said that a Muslim can only have an opinion if it is held by Ulama? We don't obey Ulama's opinions, they have to be based on evidence and sources, and Ulama have different opinions.
He is a Muslim. He has some knowledge about Islamic tradition + history, and there he is expressing his opinion.
Nobody have a religious authority in Islam - and no one person is a representative. If you think this, then clearly you're expressing an innovation that is part of Islam - or otherwise an ignorant person.
Islam teaches that taquia is permitted.
"Taqiyya" is NOT part of Islam. It belongs to Shi'izm which is a Pagan Magian Zoroastrian belief system. Study before you bark! Go study your own belief instead of worshiping Christian Prince, David Wood likes.
@@seekfactsnotfiction9056 taqiya is applied by muslims. go bark somewhere else. your ideology is nothing but a farce.
@@seekfactsnotfiction9056Dude you need Jesus if you want to have your sin debt removed. Only Jesus died to pay off that debt. Trust with confidence and understanding that He did so, and eternal life is yours. Performing a list of good deeds does not remove your sins. Please go to a very good bible teaching site, teachingfaith com and read or watch a series titled, 'change of mind'....afterwards you will fully understand the matter...all the content there is free.
@@tigers14
A funny joke that an idiot like you would come from a million kilometers away to talk about Jesus
Is Jesus Christ a god or Jewish man. ??
Not A God but THE God.
Steven Wiederholt @ At What Stage Of life Did Jesus Christ look like god almighty, Childhood, Teenage or Maturity ??
@@teabag718
Short answer...all of them.
@@teabag718 Who did prophet Moses worship? All0h or YHWH?
Jesus was FOR "A Kingdom Upon This Earth"... in other words "government" via/through "monarchy". That king being a "servant"(slave) who would acquire/attain his "freedom" from this "servant-hood" by dying(7 years was the biblical time served when being a slave).
It's the equivalent of arguing over what colour your unicorn is. It's quite possible that Jesus never existed and if he did he was just a guy not a god. It's mythology without a doubt.
Nah, Jesus existed. If I may, I would like to recommend to you a bible teaching site, teachingfaith com, that has a very good series titled, 'change of mind' which really helped me understand the topic of eternal salvation in Jesus. All the content there is free. if you decide to check it out.
@@5flapjacks468 I can for the sake of argument agree that Yeshua, a very common in those times existed but that does not mean he was divine. More likely an itinerant Jew among the many proclaiming to be the messiah. If in fact he did. I'm not new to this argument I don't need to go to some biased site with a vested interest to get my information. I was once a gullible believer but then I sought my own information and I think anyone who does will realise that it's the superstitious beliefs of ignorant people.
@@scooterboy3676 Fine...I plugged that site because the teacher there is very good on these topics. Quality teachers are hard to find.
Maybe you could invite David Wood or Islam critiqued (both on TH-cam)
Is the Koran eternal or not?
That's not a teaching of the Yeshua of Yehudaism.
You must understand that the islamic prophet was never in the quran he was a later insertion.
Mohammad and ahmad
Are later titles for JESUS
98 PRECENT OF THE VESRES MUSLIM THINK ARE ABOUT MOHAMMAD IN THE QURAN ARE FORE JESUS.
TITLES FOR JESUS IN THE QURAN.
WORD OF ALLAH
THE MESIACH
THE FINAL PROPHET
THE MOHAMMAD THE MOST PRAYSD ONE
THE MESSENGER
THE ONE WHO CONFIRMS ALLAH BOOKS AND PROPHECYS.
THE SPIRIT OF ALLAH
THE ONE WHO IS IN HEAVEN WITH ALLAH
CREATOR
HEALER
THE BEST ROLE MODEL
The lamp
The bringer of the GOOD NEWS
THE FINAL JUGDE
THE HOUR
THE QURAN IS A SECTERIAN BOOK
BORED MANY STORRY FROM CHRISTIAN SECTERIAN AND JEW WRITINGS.
ISLAM ORIGEN IS SECTERIAN.
Lol, try to argue about the beliefs of Muslims, not what you thought might have gotten lost. To be specific, try to argue the content of the Quran, or present evidence of other Quran that contains the said claims. Muslims, in general, argue against the fundamental believes to Christians (which is considered idolatry byboth muslims and jewish). Try to do the same.
@@TrueViewers my friend i dont belive mohammad has somthing to do with the quran.
Like hadits claim
You can see this verry easy that he was a later insertion.
To a christian jew secterian sect.
@@thewordrevealsgod.7744 my last statement was exactly about using the believes of muslims as the baseline for your arguments and not the converse. E.g. you should start with something like "muslims believe in XYZ, but ABC", and your reasoning could be based on proof derived from islamic scholarship, or thoughtful reasoning. All my argument against christianity are not rooted on my Islamic believe. I hope this line of reasoning is helpful for you onwards.
@@TrueViewers my friend i use the quran it self.
And the coruption of the quran is not the bigest problem in islam.
my dear muslimchristians friends i wil show you. Wy
That JESUS IS MORE THEN A PROPHET IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
1. JESUS IS THE MESIACH THE ANOITEND ONE OF GOD.
IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
2. JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
3.JESUS IS ALSO THE TEMPLE OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
4.JESUS IS THE MOST BLESSED ONE THE ACHMED AND THE MOHAMMED. IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
5. JESUS IS THE FINAL MESSENGER IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
6. JESUS IS BORN FROM MARRY
A SPECIAL WOMAN CHOSEN BY GOD. IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
7. JESUS IS A HEALER IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
8. JESUS CREATS LIFE IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE
9. JESUS IS THE BRINGER OF MERCY IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
10. JESUS RESURECTS PEOPLE IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
11. JESUS IS A MESSENGER A PROPHET IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
12. JESUS BRINGS THE GOOD TIDINGS THE GOOD NEWS THE GOSPELS.
TO THE UNIVERS IN THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE.
13. JESUS CONFIRMS ALL PROPHECYS FROM THE BOOKS OF GOD IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
14. JESUS IS THE BEST ROLE MODEL SINLES IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
15. JESUS IS THE LAMP IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
16 JESUS COMES BACK IN JUGDMENTDAY IN THE QURAN AND THE BIBLE.
17. JESUS KILS THE ANTICHRIST
IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE ALSO THE SATAN.
18. JESUS SITS IN HEAVEN ON THE RIGHT OF GOD IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
19. JESUS COMES TO JUGDE IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
20. JESUS DO THE WILL OF GOD IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE.
JESUS IS THE WAY THE PAD IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE
MY DEAR FRIEND JESUS IS NOT JUST A PROPHET IN THE QURAN AND IN THE BIBLE HE IS MUCH AND MUCH MORE. THEN THAT.
So THE QURAN SAYS JUGDE BY THE GOSPELS.
AND IN THE GOSPELS HE IS CRUCIFIED FOR CLAIMING HE IS
THE SON OF GOD.
THE WORD MADE FLESH.
FROM THE ESENCES OF THE FATHER. ETERNAL.
There is no room for mohammed in the quran🤣
@@thewordrevealsgod.7744 OMG, you are such an articulate and thoughtful writer :-/ I pray that God almighty (the one with power over all humanity and all the other stars and galaxies) guide us all in our quest for the truth and salvation.
Will you give your mother to mutah
He will not do that if he is Sunni because Mot'a is forbidden by the Sunnis and we are ninety percent of Muslims
Yes they made it up
Islam teaches Yeshua did not die.
Yup he was raised to heaven by Allah before crucifixion and we Muslims believe that a person on cross was juda not Jesus Allah replace jesus with juda before crucifixion
@@Juned120 why do you believe, it was Judas? It is not written in the Quran... Also, why would Allah deceive the apostles in this way?
@@hans471 because juda was one of deciple of jesus and he was traitor
@@Juned120 still it is just a conjecture. There are many bad people in the world... Is this written in any Hadith?
Liars have no part in the truth.
Liar
U r Islamophobic
Liar