I have several tents, including 3 BA tents. Stakes--4 stakes each corner and use 1 stake for the fly/ foot combo. Then 2 stakes for the doors, 2 stakes to the guy lines on sides for air flow = 8 stakes. For crazy wind storms you can guy line a couple extra lines on both sides but I've never had to go to those extremes.
The ground sheet on the BA is either up side down or the tent is set up at the wrong angles. It's not making any since because you're doing it incorrectly.
Yeah I just think it's not the best design to begin with, even if it's set up correctly it's too easy for water to run on top of the ground sheet rather than under it in the rain.
Seems to me the ground sheet with the split plastic is meant to clip onto the orange part of the inner tent and not with a stake. Try sliding the orange part via the split of the plastic.
Yes, this is how it's supposed to be set up, then you can just stake out the external rope loop that holds everything together. Great system, in my opinion.
I don’t have personal experience with the Big Agnes 2, I have the backpacker version as a 1 man… I have paired it with the biking footprint though to have a floor in my vestibule .. it seems to me you need to set your tent and footprint up correctly, as they are a match. Either way, both nice tents, nice to see them side by side!
Your lack of research on a £500 tent aside 😀, an initial pitch with no prep is a great proxy for the day you arrive at a campsite, dog tired, failing light, pouring rain, and then erecting whilst attempting to keep the inner dry. I have the 2P Nemo and really like it - but had to practice setting it up a couple of times. On my previous tent, I used the frame to stretch out the footprint first. This made it easy to see the lay of the land. Only when I was happy, I would retrieve the inner/fly from the tent bag and attach to the frame. I am seriously considering adding eyelets to my stupidly expensive footprint to get similar functionality.
All these tents you don't need to stake foot print and fly . The corner loops on foot print are to stake out in fast pack mode where foot print and fly only no inner. That's what you have additional eyelets on foot print. Try just looping the footprint cord around the poles when pitched.
To me free standing means that it holds its shape without needing any ropes or anything else external so I guess you don't technically need them but I think the tent will deform a little and move around slightly if it's not staked down.
The Nemo rainfly is not intended to go to the ground, if it did, you would suffer inside the tent in warmer weather. I would not consider using a tent with a fly that goes to the ground, other than during the winter. The end of the rainfly that comes way up, should be staked out for further ventilation. As for the footprint, I do not think you had it setup properly. The landing zone will not be floppy once your gear is in it. As for the Nemo fabric, it is a new proprietary fabric that is stronger than silnylon, though it may not seem so. IMHO tents with flys that go all the way to the ground should not be advertised as 3 season.
Easy to say about someone you don't know. I like my tents to be easy to use and practical and I think that both of these tents have some good design elements but also sacrifice some practicality for aesthetics, especially the Big Agnes even though it is the better tent overall in my opinion.
@spinningtrue NO it easy to say because it absolutely shows. Go get the experience then you can tell us your experience. Right now now your just another guy making TH-cam videos and have zero experience about what your talking about. What's really hilarious is you keep dropping talking points about something you know nothing about.
You have to understand that you are not opening the fly door correctly on the Big Agnes, door has 2 zippers, and on the color code it is very good, don't count the stakes and the top cord, those aren't part of what matter for the color code.
It does matter because the tent is asymmetrical so you have to have the rain fly on in the right orientation to make it fit properly, so you have to have it matched up correctly on the top brace. As far as the stakes go yes I agree but I think they should have been a completely contrasting color to not add to the confusion.
@@spinningtrue you misunderstood what I said on the color code, of course the color code matter, read my comment again, I didn't have any issues following their logic in the color coding.
I have several tents, including 3 BA tents. Stakes--4 stakes each corner and use 1 stake for the fly/ foot combo. Then 2 stakes for the doors, 2 stakes to the guy lines on sides for air flow = 8 stakes. For crazy wind storms you can guy line a couple extra lines on both sides but I've never had to go to those extremes.
Nice! I use hammocks a lot which have a couple less stakes. Either way pounding stakes into the frozen or hard ground sucks.
The ground sheet on the BA is either up side down or the tent is set up at the wrong angles. It's not making any since because you're doing it incorrectly.
Yeah I just think it's not the best design to begin with, even if it's set up correctly it's too easy for water to run on top of the ground sheet rather than under it in the rain.
Seems to me the ground sheet with the split plastic is meant to clip onto the orange part of the inner tent and not with a stake. Try sliding the orange part via the split of the plastic.
Yes, this is how it's supposed to be set up, then you can just stake out the external rope loop that holds everything together. Great system, in my opinion.
I don’t have personal experience with the Big Agnes 2, I have the backpacker version as a 1 man… I have paired it with the biking footprint though to have a floor in my vestibule .. it seems to me you need to set your tent and footprint up correctly, as they are a match. Either way, both nice tents, nice to see them side by side!
Thank you. I now have tried the Nemo Hornet 2p UL, which packs pretty small. So many neat types of gear.
Your lack of research on a £500 tent aside 😀, an initial pitch with no prep is a great proxy for the day you arrive at a campsite, dog tired, failing light, pouring rain, and then erecting whilst attempting to keep the inner dry. I have the 2P Nemo and really like it - but had to practice setting it up a couple of times. On my previous tent, I used the frame to stretch out the footprint first. This made it easy to see the lay of the land. Only when I was happy, I would retrieve the inner/fly from the tent bag and attach to the frame. I am seriously considering adding eyelets to my stupidly expensive footprint to get similar functionality.
All these tents you don't need to stake foot print and fly . The corner loops on foot print are to stake out in fast pack mode where foot print and fly only no inner. That's what you have additional eyelets on foot print. Try just looping the footprint cord around the poles when pitched.
If these tents are really free standing, why do you need any stakes? Especially in non-storm conditions.
To me free standing means that it holds its shape without needing any ropes or anything else external so I guess you don't technically need them but I think the tent will deform a little and move around slightly if it's not staked down.
The Nemo rainfly is not intended to go to the ground, if it did, you would suffer inside the tent in warmer weather. I would not consider using a tent with a fly that goes to the ground, other than during the winter. The end of the rainfly that comes way up, should be staked out for further ventilation. As for the footprint, I do not think you had it setup properly. The landing zone will not be floppy once your gear is in it. As for the Nemo fabric, it is a new proprietary fabric that is stronger than silnylon, though it may not seem so. IMHO tents with flys that go all the way to the ground should not be advertised as 3 season.
More money than experience
Easy to say about someone you don't know. I like my tents to be easy to use and practical and I think that both of these tents have some good design elements but also sacrifice some practicality for aesthetics, especially the Big Agnes even though it is the better tent overall in my opinion.
@spinningtrue NO it easy to say because it absolutely shows. Go get the experience then you can tell us your experience. Right now now your just another guy making TH-cam videos and have zero experience about what your talking about. What's really hilarious is you keep dropping talking points about something you know nothing about.
You have to understand that you are not opening the fly door correctly on the Big Agnes, door has 2 zippers, and on the color code it is very good, don't count the stakes and the top cord, those aren't part of what matter for the color code.
It does matter because the tent is asymmetrical so you have to have the rain fly on in the right orientation to make it fit properly, so you have to have it matched up correctly on the top brace. As far as the stakes go yes I agree but I think they should have been a completely contrasting color to not add to the confusion.
@@spinningtrue you misunderstood what I said on the color code, of course the color code matter, read my comment again, I didn't have any issues following their logic in the color coding.