I mean thats literally not what happened. scaling was fucked so you perma wanted low levels in your dungeon runs because they just did insane damage killing everything in like 2 seconds. It was just a bug that needed to be fixed. Unfortunate that you didn't get to play with he bug but that's how bugs work.
Here's a fun, friendly reminder of all the microtransaction options available in a full-cost, monthly subscription game: - Server transfer: $17.50 (30% off!) - Boost to lvl 70: $60 - Faction change: $21 (30% off!) - Race change: $17.50 (30% off!) - Name change: $7 (30% off!) - Change guild name: $20 - TWW expansion upgrades: $20-40 - Blazing Heroic Pack cosmetics: $30 - Cosmic Weapon Cache: $12 - Murloc Romper: $20 - 25 different mounts: $25 each - 18 different pets: $10 each (one is $25) - 9 different transmog sets: $8-20 - 4 different toys: $5-10 Warbands aren't yet monetized but I'd bet my life savings they will be in short order. You'll be able to buy new backgrounds, some of which will have extra character slots.
@@sinabonvt9618 Sure! FFXIV items are generally cheaper or free in comparison to WoW. - A ton of assorted "Transmogs" (Between 9-18$) - 5 Hairstyles (15$) - Normally Event exclusive items (2-12$) - "Blizzcon"-like exclusive items (17$ for most, a few mounts for up to 42$) - Unique Weapons and Crafting/Gathering tools (3$) - Racechange (10$) - Mounts (12-37$) - Shop exclusive being 12, event-specials being more expensive - Mount Gear (7-12$) - Emotes (2$), Some are in packs of multiple, so max 12$ for the biggest set - Event to marry another player, with a unique event with unique rewards (0-14$) - Dyes for Transmog (1$) (None of these are exlusive and can be obtained ingame) - Minions (5$) - Jukebox Music (3-5$, all can be obtained ingame) None of the above have in-game benefits and a ton can be obtained in-game with minor effort. Ie. you can't buy raiding/pvp exclusive mounts. - Main story skips (9-25$) (Will NOT increase character levels) - Level Boost of a single job (25$) - Server Transfer (15$) (NOTE: You can temporarily visit ANY OTHER server in your region for free and very fast in-game.) - Name change (10$) - Additional Retainer (1.4$ pr. month) (Hard to describe, but essentially extended bank space and increases the amount of items you can sell to other players)
@@sinabonvt9618 I wrote one out, but it seems to have been blocked. Maybe it might be approved later, but in general things are either free or cheaper in comparison to WoW.
@@zeroghost115 One of the best things about wow is the social aspect of doing dungeons and raids with others - wow retail leveling is usually a solo experience, especially around the launch of an expansion, where people are rushing for the end-game content. All you're doing is defending it being pay to win.
Dungeons and leveling is still a joke this is to address lvl 70 characters with 500+ilvl doing million + dps in dungeons and killing the boss in 2 globals. I do agree its a non issue and didnt need to be patched as youre only giga op for about 2-4 levels but in the same vein you shouldn't notice a difference if you are a low or on ilvl 70.
@@xenusci6271My issue with this is not that it becomes harder or longer to lvl - it is that they choose to do it after the EA. It's been in beta for a long time, how can they not have realised this?
its literally impossible to miss this scaling problem throughout the alpha > beta > early access and only realize it 24 hours after global release. anyone who doesnt think blizzard did this on purpose is delusional unironically
Blizzard always had scaling problems idk man. early access was great and tbh. now leveling is way more fun. Doesnt feel good, when you are op at lvl 70 and weaker at lvl 80. But we i guess non of the comments play the game
@@MozirMikoto u don't understand the problem. It's not about how fun leveling is. Blizzard just intentionally developed a problem that wasn't solved in alpha, beta or early access and then "solved" the problem right when all the normal people start playing the expansion. That gives the average joe the idea that it should be better to buy the early access version to level faster before they nerf it intentionally on full release. If you don't see the problem, you're a brainwashed victim.
While I don't think it was an accident, there is some part of me that genuinely thinks that what people are left at Blizzard are genuinely this bloody incompetent.
if you've leveled stuff before and after this hotfix, you'd realise that whatever they did has had no noticeable impact at all lol still broken at 70 and weak at 80, it honestly doesnt feel any different.
Its not really about leveling to fast its more so about lowbies being obviously broken in their damage. Lol You arent gonna convince anyone with a brain that this is working as intended i mean cmon bud.
@@Giliver The WoW player pretending this is normal, when quick killing was always a thing for decades, you should probably uninstall bubba. That Blizzard milk in your mouth it's starting to drip.
Funny thing is a lot of people like me, dont have anything else in live. Im gonna buy tww soon. Didnt play wow for years but im bored again with life, coming back to wow now.
@@Oabize why not find something actually useful to do instead of wasting time on a video game? learn a musical instrument or other new skill. Learn to speak a foreign language. Create art. Literally anything except the hypnosis rat-in-a-maze retail WoW garbage
@@moonashamaturity is realizing that there will always be people doing stupid shit and they will use every excuse to justify it. You cannot help people who don't want to be helped.
"players with _ENDGAME_ dragonflight gear were extremely powerful (so we making changes)" They buffed everything to fix a "problem" for 5% of the characters and now every single alt and casual player will suffer from mobs tuned to ENDGAME gear. Logic...
To put into perspective, Asmon was questing in gear of which half of it originated from season 2. He wasn't wearing anything near endgame gear and he was molesting anything he hit. With 520 ilvl you were literally oneshotting at 70.
Meanwhile a 580 character has problems killing packs of mobs for quests in the overworld because at 80, every elite is overtuned to the extreme and usually comes in packs of 2-4 Is it any wonder it feels bad? It makes you feel like Anduin, suddenly going from a hero to a sissy who can't handle 3 mobs at a time. Especially for players coming to this riding on the high of Pandamonium, and you just get depowered to the level of peasant. Last time I felt this weak at the start of an expansion was in BFA. Shadowlands and Dragonflight did a more decent job of scaling difficulty I guess.
Bruh just don’t play endgame content the game is so much more fun without the extra endgame bullshit 😂 don’t buy into their shit you can do so much without the war within expansion
WoW 2 is a pipe dream. The only reason WoW is still even relevant is because no other MMO can stand up to the shear amount of content that WoW has accumulated over the past (almost) 20 years. Think about how much they would have to work to come even close that that same level of content for a new MMO. No, it's not going to happen.
Blizzard sold their company. WoW 2 will never happen. Not enough people will ever stop playing. This is what you get. Either you play this game or you don’t.
they literally gain nothing from this change. take the tin foil hat off. people were bitching because dungeons were a joke with level 70's one shotting bosses bc secondaries scaled wrong. its just a bug fix
@@starskygamers876 Aww look at you champ ! Your handler let you use the computer if you promised not to drool all over it again ? Oh who are we kidding, if anyone would be so brain dead that they think diablo 4 is good, there is no chance that those people would have the brain power to operate a keyboard. So Hi Starskys caretaker ! Please make sure he doesnt swallow his tongue and suffocate.. again !
I have a good salary, but this whole early access thing has left me feeling pretty bitter about the whole situation to the point that I really don't care about War Within and haven't logged in for weeks.
My salary is unfortunatelly in weaker currency that Euro that I would have to pay for the new expansion. I could still afford it. But they pissed me off with this decision and basically I stopped giving them money for WoW since this info was announced. I still play Diablo as I've bought it once and I am still having fun with it but if they take what is fun for me personally from Diablo as well for some bullshit reason of "give us more money" I will not buy the next thing either. I know D4 also had early access but since Diablo is primarly a single player experience for me, I didn't care. Even watching a streamer I like playing it earlier did not bother me. WoW is a different kind of experience for me and the hype of the start of an expansion is gone for me because of this fragmentation of community. As I've said, I could afford it. But paying additional 40 Euro while only getting 2 things I would value: 1 month game time and early access was far from worth it for me. If it was much smaller value difference then maybe I would consider it. But it's not like Blizzard needs that money.
Its not rate ro exp. Damage scaling was broken. Mages doing 2.5 mil dps, DK with 1.6 mil. Warrior tanks literally solo each dungeon with no issue without a heal. And ofcourse bottles whcih heals for 2.5 mil hp.
@@88Bulko The damage numbers mean nothing, it's purely a visual effect from the higher level's perspective since they're seeing the low level's upscaled numbers rather than the actual numbers they're pumping. And, like *every expansion* the players will lose power at first because that's how level cap increases work before new gear's added. You're outscaling your 70+++ gear and going back into normal leveling gear that's relatively far less powerful for its level. Scaling's been bad since MoP Remix, but it's not broken like it was in Legion or BfA.
What's funny is that Day [9] (a wow noob) soloed a 5 man dungeon boss without even realising that he was soloing a dungeon that was designed around 5 people. Like he accidently flew in, and just went with the flow with zero understanding of what was happening but still managed to kill the 1st boss of the dungeon.
Not even sure which would be worse. They couldn't figure this out before launch AND think changing it now is a good idea. Or that they just planned this ahead of time to make early access more lucrative in the upcoming expansions.
As a new player with 480 gear I’m literally one shotting every mob at the start of the expansion. As I level I get weaker. This shit fucking sucks and feels awful and pointless to play. I think they’re addressing a real problem without fixing it. The scaling is fucking stupid and shouldn’t be part of the game- or at the very least it shouldn’t be part of the new expansion. It’s such a cheap bullshit streamlined way to make a game and it shows. The real problem with this change is only that early access players are getting another tangible advantage. Wow down to its core feels fucked. This early access drama is just a hemorrhoid on the butthole that is current wow.
Scaling is just such an inherently bad thing for almost all RPGs but especially MMOs. If I'm supposed to invest a ton of time in but never feel any sense of real progression, what's the point? FF14 has similar problems where everything is scaled but at least there it has some benefits like giving more content to play
I mean, in theory Scaling is great, it allows players of all levels to go wherever they want without being level-gated out of certain zones/content (which ive never really liked tbh) but in practice it doesnt hold up so well from a balance perspective. I preemptively started attacking a rare last night, took an absolute walloping, but being a Pally i held my own (just!) and i was left thinking, wow that was brutal for a level 72 in DF endgame gear, cant imagine what its like for 'normies' - found out it was level 80 when it respawned and was trashing a level 80 toon, lmao. (a case of me tunnel-visioning to ensure i at least tagged the rare lest it had some insane respawn timer, if i had known it was 80, i may have side-stepped it)
@@Shaabhekh zones with higher mob levels were AMAZING! You had to be aware that one wrong turn could take your level 20 character into a zone full of level 40+ enemies. Scaling completely kills that
@@captainspaulding5963 Agreed, venturing into the Blasted Lands as a level 25 and reaching the dark portal wouldn't have been as cool if all the mobs were scaled down to me lol
Hard to say what the intent was but still annoying. Everything else around this expansion launch has been blatantly scummy though. 1. Sticking the early access behind the highest cost preorder, preventing players from experiencing the new expansion (on the 20th year WoW anniversary no less) together with friends/guildmates unless they pay an extortion fee. 2. Excessive focus only on that Epic edition with any/all adds and nagging. 3. Once EA day came, Blizzard immediately pumped out tons of spoilers and interviews and such as though the expansion was released. 4. When actually buying the expansion, it was totally designed to trick you.. multiple times to select the epic edition. Then it tried to trick you into selecting the 1 year subscription. Completely ridiculous and it honestly soured my vibe for the new expansion before I could even start playing. Blizzard has not changed. The accountants still steer the ship.
Interesting. Its bit sad that people shit on company when it is a lot their fault. I knew about war within. I waited calmly for normal launch day. I bought the game as base edition and game time and suprise suprise. I enjoy the game so far. Meanwhile people trying to dig every possible shit.
That dragonflight example was complete dogshit. Prot warrior was uber busted, guess what that's why everyone else died and he could continue to tank 60 mobs. The reason that mammoth didn't kill you wasn't because it dealt not dmg it's because mcconnel healed you. You can literally see it on screen. Idk why asmon wants to sell this like we're all fucking rtarded but he just oversold his argument and doesn't want to back off from it. Also i specifically remember complaints in Shadowlands that leveling was too easy, and by contrast the exact opposite at lvl 80 that the Maw was too fucking punishing.
And being that busted was okay, but now people being way weaker than this and only around other expansions is not. They also notice this after early access and not in the months of alpha and beta. This is truly just a greedy move by blizzard to make people feel bad for not getting early access. Still ain't paying for it, I am happy with my base edition of the game.
Yoshi P recent did an interview about how easy the newest raid of FFXIV was. Instead of nerfing a high dps job, they raised all the other jobs to be more in line. Quoting that they didnt want to nerf the fun of the players since they seemed to be really enjoying the content. They decided to adjust the difficulty for the NEXT RAID TIER. Nobody: Blizzard: Fun detected, nerf it
Just mashing 1 button isn't fun though. Like, Monks were running around spinning one shotting everything. If you wanna just mash a button, go play candy crush. There are definitely some ''fun detected'' moments. Like, the melee nerfs are stupid (the decreased hitboxes/nerf of increased melee range talents). But this ain't it. Remix wasn't fun with the facerolling for the exact same reason.
Man I'm glad I didn't buy more game time. I literally had two days worth of game time left I don't think I'm going to be buying more when they keep pulling bullshit like this. Edit: even after the hotfixs it's not that big of an issue. I don't feel any difference in my character's power.
@@zeroghost115 They made it seem like a big deal. I feel no change. Been playing since the beginning. FF14 is pretty fun, stop trying to be elitist. You're no good at it.
This is such a deeper issue than this. It's because people were complaining the level 70 was more powerful than the level 78 when they were leveling. It's a legit dumbass thing caused by level scaling and for once it's not even Blizz being souless. It's straight up incompetence that lead to this. And it's not even a balance issue, it's a core game design flaw called "level scaling"
Scaling wonkiness, and the honeypot of 490 gear they gave out in the lead-up to TWW. When you enter TWW and the regular quest rewards are 400-410 ilvl... yeah, you're going to absolutely flatten everything when sitting closer to 500. The gap should not have been that large. Isle of Dorn has been a steamroll.
Just buff higher levels. "BuT i CanT dO mY rOtaTiOn!" I'd skip the whole leveling process if I could. Leveling is boring as hell in every game every. If you like leveling, you like slop. Its bad in Elden Ring, it's bad in WoW. It's bad in Elder Scrolls. You can achieve the same thing as leveling does by just making your stats based off of gear. Will give higher importance to crafting, dungeons, etc. As far as talents and abilities. Just make it so you can unlock or buy them with some sort of currency that drops from bosses or randomly or as quest rewards. So while you're out gearing your character, you're also finding upgrade to talents and abilities. Completely fixes all the dumb issues levels have. Which makes more sense "My character is suddenly and for no reason way more powerful because they gained a level" or "My character is way more powerful now that I found this cool new piece of equipment"?
@@justanobody0 It's not a smart move, what I meant is that they should have done this "fix" while game was in testing mode, it's not something hard to spot, they knew this problem was there, they let it stay there until release to do this. There is a purpose in this, I just can't see which one except punishing people for not buying EA.
@@celexcelex2310 This is actually genius. By leaving such an obvious, terrible issue in the game for launch, they can pretend it never came up until their so-called Early Access, and use it as an excuse to say "See? The game WASN'T ready! We NEEDED EA!"
Just to clarify because Asmongold isn't actually showing whats going on if anyone is wondering. This isn't about I kill mobs fast. I had this a few dungeons ago. I was 80 and had to do LITERALLY nothing the entire dungeon because a lvl 70 rogue was quite literally 1-2 shotting everything. He literally solod all the bosses. By the time I ran to the boss, it was dead. Now, did I care? No. But that's what the problem is, it is something that's ACTUALLY broken.
Just the clarify, this is not about how easy it is or how broken. Its about how its being changed at the wrong time (there is literally no other time its wrong to make this change, its ONLY now that it is wrong to make this change, and they're choosing to change it now). So maybe your experience should or should not be the experience that is had... but it doesn't matter, because it is the experience EVERYONE Playing right now should have, until a few weeks from now, or if they'd fixed it before early access launch. That's it. That's the whole story.
Whats a lvl 70 doing in a 80 dungeon? Blizz fault for downscaling high lvl dungeons they should be down scaling your gear to hit ilvl limit to the new dungeon compared to their lvl instead. So the dungeon will feel the same regardless when you play it. Except for max lvl then the limit should be lifted. They need to apply those exception for new content.
It has always been this way, since i have memory of this game (except vanilla where leveling was core to the game), every expansion had a logarithmic line in easyness of leveling. In the beginning top, and than slowing down lvl after level....always been this way. Now they get it and dexide to change it?! Oh cmon....
I think the most annoying part about it is that they don’t even admit what it is. “Oh, we’ve heard community feedback that you’re too strong at early levels, and we don’t think thats fun.” Nah, bruh, this is some pay to win.
its not. basically everyone in my guidl me includad was complaining about it. maybe funny when you play your first char and mostly doing quests but if you want to level fast you go into duingeons and there it was just no fun at all cause you didnt even see a single mechanic of a boss. do that for a few hours to get your char to max level and you will just get bored.
@@sandroweber7157 ...I don't understand this logic. You don't have to do dungeons to level. You can just do the campaign again. But the problem with this change is it doesn't just affect dungeons, it affects levelling normally as well. For those characters stuck at 400 ilvl or below, they're gonna have a hell of a time levelling now and it's gonna be even worse if they enter a dungeon. Plus people just want to level to max anyway, and the faster they can do it the better, or why else give us a 5-25% exp increase for each 80 character? Why would you want to make it less fun to level, especially for newcomers?
No, this entire video exists because for a once the overall opinion of the expansion so far has been mostly positive. But that doesn't get views and clicks on social media, so Asmongold and co. have to reach up their back door and all the way down the hall way until their hands comes out again through the front door to make up something to get that sweet ad revenue money. And I'm a huge critic of WoW and Blizzard so I'm not trying to the defend anyone or anything. But criticism has to be truthful and grounded in reality or else it's just click/view farming. People call Blizzard customers sheep and yet they are so desperate to shallow their favorite streamer's love juice just because it aligns with their own thoughts and opinion. It's just confirmation bias and a lack of self awareness to see what's wrong with the picture they have fabricated in their own minds.
it was a neccessary change, but the optics and timing are genuinely horrendous. i dont fault anyone for feeling like blizzard are "incentivizing" buying the preorder next time for fear of missing out on an easier leveling time
If they truly wanted to impliment this change then they could've just waited another week. But they didn't even give the full five days that those in early access got. It's ridiculous.
It’s way too easy, I didn’t get the early access version and I played launch day for like 6-7 hours and I’m lvl 76 already and every regular mob can’t even survive a rotation of my attacks. Even the elites I’m soloing easier than I remember any other expansion that I’ve played. (Didn’t play shadowlands or Dragonflight)
@@JstBringIt Right, I'm playing BM which is way on the low end of of the DPS charts and I still don't even have to bother with a rotation except on the dungeon bosses. I just can hit whatever I want and I live.
There was a level 70 blood DK doing 3 million DPS, not damage, DPS in my leveling dungeon. This was absolutely needed, I was only level 79 and the scaling was that bad. For reference, the rest of us were doing about 100k-300k.
It's not the waiting that is the problem. I acknowledge that Earthen aren't the best race they could have released. It's that Blizzard released a road map that said Earthen were to be playable on the 22nd/26th, during Early Access and Global Launch, respectively. They sent out emails to customers indicating that they could be unlocked after completing the level up campaign and three specific questlines. Then, they removed all reference of being able to play Earthen on the EU store page. They lied and falsely advertised. It's morally wrong and just another example of a billion dollar company jerking people around and getting away with it. It's about principle, which it looks like ya'll don't have.
benefit? i watched his stream, not all the 6 hours but partially, and all I saw was collecting things or saving people, the "fights" were boring and he didnt even lose more than 5% of his health.. so what benefit are you talking about? that they had it extremely boring?
@@kke8901 getting their main +a fuck ton of alt's to lvl 80 in no time at all. It's quite beneficial to get those characters to max level, in order to focus on max level stuff. It's quite odd this issue wasn't caught way earlier, and getting patched before the early access even launched - or at least after day 1.
@@kke8901 The benefit is the massive levelling boost it gave. You could grind dungeons to 80 in 4-6 hours. If you don't think that's a benefit, I have no idea what you mean by the word.
The problem is that for a lvl 70 a boss has 1,5 mil hp. For a lvl 80 in the same dungeon, the boss has 20 mil. Now the lvl 70 will do more dmg because 30-40% haste mastery etc and the 80 is dumpster bad. So a 70 does 20 times the dmg of a lvl 80. A dungeon with a 70 is literally 10x faster than a group of full 80s. Thats the reason for a nerf. Not leveling being "easy" etc.
Haven’t played since MOP, co-worker talking about it nonstop. “Leveling isn’t bad, can grind out 80 in no time and see if you like end game after all this time” Me and a few others: Hmmm maybe I will try it again. Me now: “Thank god, won’t even have to debate it now”
It's not a matter of them screwing anyone over, it was broken af. If dungeons take 5 minutes, or you go into the expansion with gear from WOTLK and still can't die you know its fucked. The change was necessary and it'll probably still only take 4 hours to hit cap after the change. The only mistake is not making this change immediately during early access, if anything leaving it so long made it an even bigger scam because they got through everything faster and had even less to do afterwards. For what its worth though I've enjoyed it so far, big step up over the last few expansions which I checked out of almost immediately.
Oh no it's going to take maybe 10 hours at most vs 6 now. I don't even get close to finishing all the zones or even going to all of them before I hit max. Changing it barely changes anything because if your playing endgame your going to do all the quests anyway for faction unlocks. Or at least I do because I want that stuff, it probably isn't neccasary. Also older players who haven't played the game in years have no idea how different leveling and the game is now. If you haven't played since mop it quite literally feels like a different game with leveling. I've finished exactly one zone so far and am already at level 75 out of 80. Leveling has been a significantly shorter process for awhile now, since wod.
this issue happens every xpac and its majorly due to the fact that quest rewards are way weaker than end game previous gear , they just did a catch up event for 480 gear and TWW starts at 420-440ish it should be 480-500, so the mobs are scaled to be at 420 or below which makes it easy af, its so simple to see yet they repeat it time and time again
Yeah but no. At 79 in full DF bis (530 ilv) so legendary, trinkets etc, my paladin was doing like 300k DPS in normal Dungeons while my level 70 mage in 489 was doing 3 million DPS. Item level wasn't the problem here.
nah this is blown out of proportion. I have hated retail and everything about it except rbgs for a long time. People in boosty gear were legit pulling half the dungeon at a time it was actually insane. Also "harder" to level in retail? come on now lmfao.
which is so insane because theres literally nothing to gain from making leveling harder when all the content is catered to max level (for very very obvious reasons)
As someone who was playing during Early Access, let me put that Blue post into context. Y'all are conna Crucify me, but I gotta put some context to this: People weren't just 'extremely powerful'... The dungeons lasted eight to ten minutes because the tanks could pull *every* mob between bosses. The post mentions people in Endgame Dragonflight gear, but I was still doing absolutely nuts numbers even in 480 (the catch-up Dalaran gear) and bosses died so quickly, you didn't even see mechanics a third of the time. Leveling fast is fun, but yeah, this nerf to level scaling is totally warranted.
same thing after early access, i walk in dungeon and everyone is dying around me without ecen being able to cast my spells, I mean come on atm everyone can level up to max in n 2 hours for main char and less for warband. I do understand Asmon tho, he is entertainer and found a hot topic, but he is a smart guy he knows this is not a trick "to punish poor people" ffs 😂
How long did it take to notice that happening? Because it really seems they sat on the problem until the EA was over, and then decided to fix it right when the plebs joined in. Which is kind of the point: you let the people who paid the EA abuse of a bug, and then fix it when the people who didn't pay join in. The timing stinks to high hell, to be honest.
@@noahtheliberator yeah but at a cost of $60 lmao . i rather just work for my levels , makes the game more interesting and fun . a huge sense of accomplishment working for everything .
Regardless of the early access thing. I want mobs to hit harder, not have bigger HP pools. I remember my first day in TBC and how deadly the mobs felt back then
Classic was not difficult. The model of retail wow is also very diffrent with m+ being where you are going to see the enemies hitting hard now. M+ is much harder then classic due to the infinite scaling, the more intriguing rotations, the way you have to pull, being on a timer, and damage playing an impact instead of surviving being the only goal.
@littlenuggets6426 M+ is a playground for metagamers who are happy to run in corridors continuously. It's not relevant to my comment on the questing experience. The Wrathguard units in TBC would do a fire wake spell. You stood in the fire, you'd be burned quick, especially in fresh 58 gear. You enter PVP and players will frequently burn you down with powerful attacks/synergies. My comment is that not enough world mobs deploy attacks that would be used in a raid and could be threatening to the player, so questing becomes a remove your brain activity whilst you listen to 2nd monitor content. When the threat is too low in the casual/newbie space, the gap becomes that much larger for them to enter higher tiered content.
I want the mobs to spawn less shit on the ground. Whenever a tank pulls massive mobs that spawn the seeds of corruption it takes up the whole area and does massive damage. I don’t know. I just feel like my character is moving more often than I’m actually casting anything.
The change was unnecessary & poorly timed but there was a very bad scaling problem. It was a level 70 pulling an entire dungeon and then 1 hitting everything, including the boss, while being invincible. It took 15 minutes for each level just queueing random dungeons.
the real scummy behavior is that the expansion came out on a weekend if you paid for the highest tier. For full time workers that's a cock in the ass. For us it came out on Tuesday, who the fk is going to buy and play a wow xpac during the week ? I still haven't purchased it because I'm waiting until I actually have time lol
To be fair, the time to kill at level 70 compared to 80 was insanely different, it felt like it increased ACTUALLY thousandfold even with the gear upgrades, but I think they should have just reduced the scaling on higher levels instead, because spending so much time on normal mobs was annoying and time consuming.
The funny thing is that this is probably a good thing, but the fact that they did early access and the changes only impact the people who refused to take part in that. But I'd like to think we can all agree that mobs being absolute pushovers are bad. People were commenting on Asmon leveling and roasting the game because of how dirt easy it was. But yeah the fact that they make the change so it impacts people with self respect and self control is a slap in the face for sure. Glad I didn't give these loot goblins any money.
Who cares ? Asmongold's point is exactly that. The leveling has always been bad because of the scaling, and truth be told, who cares ? The game only starts at max level, i'd rather get there faster than slower. Smacking a target dummy of a mob for a few more gcd's is just as boring as 1shotting them. Idk that they fixed it personally, the problem is that they fixed it just 24h after Early Access despite them 100% knowing about the "problem" way before release.
@@zumzici1234 "The game only starts at max level, i'd rather get there faster than slower." No. Your game only starts at max level. Because you play retail. Because you have given up on Blizzard ever creating an expansion that actually goes back to what made World of Warcraft successful in the first place. Because you are part of the problem. I mean hell dude, you could say the point of the game is progression, which at "max level" is just gear. So why don't we all just start with max gear as well? Why do we even need to raid? It's just a process that gets in the way of you having what you want. I don't even think you *play* World of Warcraft. I think World of Warcraft plays you. You're the kind of person that likely pays Blizzard for level boosts, which is literally paying Blizzard to NOT play the game that you're paying to play. That's INCREDIBLE dude. You're their target audience though, so whatever. It is what it is. You won. Congratulations. Enjoy the dead game with you and the other microtransaction enjoyers. Keep defending Blizzards poor decisions lol.
@@Hooga89there was also a way to just play at level 80 and skip leveling which most people chose to do. Also if you played the beta there was so many bugs, and there still is that it is no surprise that something like this slipped under the rug
Imagine putting this in as a bug and asking if you were meant to one shot most things until almost 80 on the beta. Me and my buddies did this and never got a solution for it. We didn't mind that things were dying in 1-2 hits no matter the level of the player.
@@lukas8708 Exactly, one small piece of 💩is nothing, but then they add another 💩 and another 💩and suddenly it's a $40 dollar tip on your way out the door.
The problem isn't them making the mobs more difficult as a bandaid to scaling, because it's broken. The problem is that they charged for early access and therefore making such a change looks scummy. If they hadn't charged for early access, they could make such a change with no problem. Either way, though, there is no way they didn't know this was a massive issue before release.
so because they charged for early access they should stop fixing stuff and let the game at bad stage? but after the changes leveling feels better.. doesnt feel good when you are op at 70 and weak at 80.
@@MozirMikoto To not look bad in this situation they could have one of the following: Not charged for early access. Actually tested their game before release in order to know how bad the scaling got by level 80. Or, best of all, implemented a scaling system which scales properly within the expected level range within the game's future. This problem will pop up again next expansion unless it is addressed during this one. And due to its nature, it will be worse.
@theroyalcam its literally impossible to miss this scaling problem throughout the alpha > beta > early access and only realize it 24 hours after global release. anyone who doesnt think blizzard did this on purpose is delusional unironically
I've watched streams, and i notice how peoples in 519 level gear at level 80 ELIMINATED all the diungeons, pulling like 20-30 mobs and evaporates them. Especially monks, DK's, warriors, mages. Dungeons were completed at 5 to 10 minutes. This is was insane. Players literally leveled in dungeons running them non stop, getting to level 80 at 4-6 hours.
Don't lie. If you saw people "eliminating" in dungeons, you saw people below 80 and the damage was scaled up. At 80 with 530 gear, my stats was utterly fucked and my damage was still pretty good but it wasn't millions of dps good. Case in point: my damage in HC at 567 is 500k overall. I saw a 70 warrior with 491 gear do 1.2 million damage in single target. But this has been a thing with scaling in WoW since Legion. You could do dungeons at level 10 and do more damage than someone who's level 50. This is not a problem!
@@Pitchguest I've literally tun today a dungeon being lvl 80 and see how People do x2*x3 of my damage. We liretally tear from boss to boss while my abilities still were on CD. And my ilvl is 550. I think that this is issue. And the scaling is broken.
Whether the gameplay is balanced appropriately or players think it should be one way or another, the real problem is that blizz is conflating early access, as in beta testing a developing game, with early access to play the game, via a preorder promotion, deluxe edition, etc. Either characters shouldn't transfer to live, full access play, or they should have balanced their game better before releasing to a promotional early access. It wasn't in a release-ready state if they feel the need to make such extreme changes.
It's weird. The War Within is the first ever expansion me or any of my friends haven't bought or played. My friends have played since vanilla and they got me into the game in Cataclysm. We've always come back for a new expansion, but not this time. No one cared. The expansion release even went by and because there wasn't a dedicated moment in time when people got access world wide. It felt like watered down bs. Which is exactly what modern WoW feels like.
Yeah but still not fair towards people that didnt buy early access (I did and leveled them all so i dont care but still not fair) also a few hours on 10 alts makes it days so it is a big thing :)
Hell, even Burning Crusade had easy leveling up to level 60. I remember one of the selling points of Guild Wars 2 was that you could spend as much time as you wanted in an area, do pretty much everything you wanted, and see most of the area by the time you're done. In WOW, if you tried to do everything in the starting area, you'd already be over-leveled for the next area.
I won't lie, bro, I actually agree with this change. Leveling was so boring, I actually ended up equipping the quest gear over my raid gear because I was just bored one-shotting everything. And even then I was still killing things way too fast. I didn't feel like I got to play my class while I was leveling. That being said, they should have waited until like a week after launch so the people who want to go fast don't feel like they got shorted.
@@Legatium who the fuck cares ? Hitting a target dummy of a mob during leveling is just as boring as 1 shotting them. The game starts at max level, i'd rather get there faster than slower. The problem isn't even the fix itself, it's the timing of it, i don't understand how is it that hard for some people to comprehend basic logic .
Despite Blizzard having these problems in the past, it sucks that they did the bug fix for the first expansion that offered an Early Access. If they had allowed Heroics during the Early Access, lvl 80s wouldn't be doing Normals and being outdamaged by early 70s when Early Access was supposed to give people (who are willing to pay for it) a chance to level more alts and decide on a main. Plus, with each max level character, you get an account-wide (server-wide?) exp buff by 5% each max level character, thus making alts faster to level. Blizzard's intention was not to punish people starting later, but fixing something that was never a time-per-level issue but a damage-per-level issue.
Two different camps of people. One side is braindead and get stressed from seeing their HP bar move and having to use more than one ability - these are the ones moaning that they are getting "nerfed"
The real problem with geared players stomping those dungeons quickly: it lowered the amount of time players would be spending in the game thus lowering monthly active hours played numbers. Can't be lowering the metrics as this would upset the shareholders! Nerf into the ground so players have to spend more time per dungeon thus more hours spent overall to get the same amount of progression.
as a returning player with no high end gear from previous xpac... the level 70 enemies were a major progression blocker. i entered this xpac at like 280ilvl from just leveling 45-70 after being gone for like 5 years.. xpac immediately dropping 408ilvl green quest rewards. at level 76, and 495 ilvl... game is more tolerable. survival and damage isn't completely potato.. went from 20k hp to 1.5mil hp in 5 levels.
The point isn't that they shouldn't fix the scaling, the point is that this should never have happened in the first place because the game was in Alpha and Beta for 10 months and they obviously knew about it. The fact that they fix this *now* instead of then is proof that they *sat* on this to do it at the precise opportune moment.
Me still enjoying FF14 Dawntrail two months after launch: "Oh, WoW had an expansion? Neat." Edit: The wow andy's are really upset about this. Cry more.
I have fond memories of FF14, the story is/was so much better. EA well it saved me from being on a boat/ship dock for an hour waiting to catch a ride to the new zone like in DF.
Scaling in video games is one of the dumbest and most pointless things ever created, no player asked for this. It's just devs being lazy and scalling mobs with a mathematical equation rather than manually adding in health and stats, they created this problem.
The poor and rich take is so boring. Nobody who is poor is playing a $15 a month game and buying $50 expansions. It has nothing to do with poor or rich and everything to do with the principle of early access for literally everyone playing this game.
I mean you’re right about the 2nd part, but there are a lot of people on welfare that just don’t do much else but game so they don’t spend money on anything wlse
You missed the point entirely. Level 70's doing big damage isn't a problem. Level 70's doing more damage than Level 80's is. It's an rpg. You're supposed to feel stronger when you level up, not weaker.
The scaling was the actual problem and what prompted the need for it to be addressed. Lvl 70s doing 95% of the dmg in a dungeon with a group of 78's. 5 Lvl 70's could dungeon grind and 2 shot bosses. Tanks at lvl 70 could literally solo dungeons with ease. It was not always like that and it needed to be addressed.
I never said the people complaining were stupid. But yeah, I just wish people would stop searching so meticulously for the negative side of every situation.
im leveling atm and its not even close to hard . its easy as F*** just like before! Stop crying on every change blizzard makes. If you dont like it then dont play it. There are so much people who crying all the time that WoW is so bad and Blizzard is so bad and the Game is dead. Even people in my friendlist are crying and guess what...as soon as the Xpac launches they are online 24/7 . As i said in the beginning. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT.
You said it! These crying people ruins the game for everyone else and this is the reason why I won't come back to play because the attitude around the game is terrible.
What the "poors" don't seem to realize, is that it's actually not saving them anything to purchase the standard expansion. By the time you include the free month subscription and a single additional perk (level boost, mount, EA- whichever), you basically come out ahead purchasing the top tier expansion.
Wasn't sure if we wanted to play War Within or not, so we've waited. When we did decide, two of us wanted the Epic Edition and was going to purchase it this weekend when we came up with enough money. I'm glad they did this when they did because none of us want to play now. It's not about the making of the lvling harder, it's about the attitude. It's about the arrogance of punishing people in a recession for not purchasing early access. The only incentive you've given us is not playing the game at all. Good job blizzard! You just lost 3 players!
I can attest that it was ZERO fun running through dungeons chasing the tank pulling 4 rooms at a time into the boss and things being 90% dead before you even get there. There's zero comparison to other expansion launches.
People complain about leveling being harder? That's sad. Leveling up should be the core content of every expansion. End-game content is just there to keep you going.
non-early access people: *complains about how everyone leveled really fast* Blizzard: *responds to that feedback, nerfs leveling speed* non-early access people: *nerfed themselves to now it will take even longer for them to catchup*
What they're really saying is "We noticed that people who didn't buy EA began making fun of the EA people because they were leveled to max in a few hours after EA and started calling the EA players losers for wasting money. When the EA players realized they were suckered into wasting money, we had to make the poors pay."
"Not many players bought the early access. So we are gonna give them an incentive to do so the next time" Create a problem, sell the solution.
Exactly what’s happening, and I bet wow players will still buy it.
Oh come on
@@SecreTGF Got to question how it got through the Beta. And now a majority of the player base has been punished for not paying for EA.
I mean thats literally not what happened. scaling was fucked so you perma wanted low levels in your dungeon runs because they just did insane damage killing everything in like 2 seconds. It was just a bug that needed to be fixed. Unfortunate that you didn't get to play with he bug but that's how bugs work.
Economic development 😅
"I'm an adult and I don't have time to play garbage"
Not only is it trash, but the players are being exploited and milked anyway over and over again
Adults don't waste time hate posting.
@@Toastybees I don't think u've met another human ever.
@@Nobody-vr5nlit’s a reference from an earlier video today.
@@Toastybees There is always a minute or two
Here's a fun, friendly reminder of all the microtransaction options available in a full-cost, monthly subscription game:
- Server transfer: $17.50 (30% off!)
- Boost to lvl 70: $60
- Faction change: $21 (30% off!)
- Race change: $17.50 (30% off!)
- Name change: $7 (30% off!)
- Change guild name: $20
- TWW expansion upgrades: $20-40
- Blazing Heroic Pack cosmetics: $30
- Cosmic Weapon Cache: $12
- Murloc Romper: $20
- 25 different mounts: $25 each
- 18 different pets: $10 each (one is $25)
- 9 different transmog sets: $8-20
- 4 different toys: $5-10
Warbands aren't yet monetized but I'd bet my life savings they will be in short order. You'll be able to buy new backgrounds, some of which will have extra character slots.
Okay, and now compare it to XIV. 😅
why compare it to XIV? play a good game maybe, seems like all MMOs are just hot garbage
@@sinabonvt9618 Sure! FFXIV items are generally cheaper or free in comparison to WoW.
- A ton of assorted "Transmogs" (Between 9-18$)
- 5 Hairstyles (15$)
- Normally Event exclusive items (2-12$)
- "Blizzcon"-like exclusive items (17$ for most, a few mounts for up to 42$)
- Unique Weapons and Crafting/Gathering tools (3$)
- Racechange (10$)
- Mounts (12-37$) - Shop exclusive being 12, event-specials being more expensive
- Mount Gear (7-12$)
- Emotes (2$), Some are in packs of multiple, so max 12$ for the biggest set
- Event to marry another player, with a unique event with unique rewards (0-14$)
- Dyes for Transmog (1$) (None of these are exlusive and can be obtained ingame)
- Minions (5$)
- Jukebox Music (3-5$, all can be obtained ingame)
None of the above have in-game benefits and a ton can be obtained in-game with minor effort. Ie. you can't buy raiding/pvp exclusive mounts.
- Main story skips (9-25$) (Will NOT increase character levels)
- Level Boost of a single job (25$)
- Server Transfer (15$) (NOTE: You can temporarily visit ANY OTHER server in your region for free and very fast in-game.)
- Name change (10$)
- Additional Retainer (1.4$ pr. month) (Hard to describe, but essentially extended bank space and increases the amount of items you can sell to other players)
@@sinabonvt9618 I wrote one out, but it seems to have been blocked. Maybe it might be approved later, but in general things are either free or cheaper in comparison to WoW.
way to much microtransaction but atleast in theory its all buyable with playing ingame and buying WoW-Token
You deserve what you tolerate.
TH-cam deleting replies to your comment lol
M'lord, I will spread thy wisdom. Knight's honor.
So just don't tolerate being poor then heh
WHY YOU STEAL MY PHOTO
@@FRAMEDSKATEKREW69 Aint no way, which MH did you start with?
stop buying corporate slop
can't believe people still do
I'm an adult and I don't have time to play garbage
Dude right what the f
ill just proceed to buy indie slop, thanks youtube comment guy
its really not that deep lol
Imagine unironically defending this shit is a subscription based game...
oh nooooo. I have to play more of the game I enjoy to level up WOMP WOMP
@@zeroghost115 One of the best things about wow is the social aspect of doing dungeons and raids with others - wow retail leveling is usually a solo experience, especially around the launch of an expansion, where people are rushing for the end-game content. All you're doing is defending it being pay to win.
@@tehdanny682 What's stopping you from grouping with a friend or 2 and leveling together? What's stopping you from doing leveling dungeons together?
Dungeons and leveling is still a joke this is to address lvl 70 characters with 500+ilvl doing million + dps in dungeons and killing the boss in 2 globals. I do agree its a non issue and didnt need to be patched as youre only giga op for about 2-4 levels but in the same vein you shouldn't notice a difference if you are a low or on ilvl 70.
@@xenusci6271My issue with this is not that it becomes harder or longer to lvl - it is that they choose to do it after the EA. It's been in beta for a long time, how can they not have realised this?
its literally impossible to miss this scaling problem throughout the alpha > beta > early access and only realize it 24 hours after global release. anyone who doesnt think blizzard did this on purpose is delusional unironically
Would you say the changes made you happy or sad. Did they make you more or less likely to buy the epic edition next time around
Blizzard always had scaling problems idk man.
early access was great and tbh. now leveling is way more fun.
Doesnt feel good, when you are op at lvl 70 and weaker at lvl 80.
But we i guess non of the comments play the game
@@MozirMikoto u don't understand the problem. It's not about how fun leveling is. Blizzard just intentionally developed a problem that wasn't solved in alpha, beta or early access and then "solved" the problem right when all the normal people start playing the expansion. That gives the average joe the idea that it should be better to buy the early access version to level faster before they nerf it intentionally on full release. If you don't see the problem, you're a brainwashed victim.
While I don't think it was an accident, there is some part of me that genuinely thinks that what people are left at Blizzard are genuinely this bloody incompetent.
if you've leveled stuff before and after this hotfix, you'd realise that whatever they did has had no noticeable impact at all lol still broken at 70 and weak at 80, it honestly doesnt feel any different.
Funny that WoW has so much testing for their expansions, and then shocked players are leveling too fast.
I mean, they have knowingly released content that was bugged and or lead to people being hacked, so no surprise.
Lol
Its not really about leveling to fast its more so about lowbies being obviously broken in their damage. Lol
You arent gonna convince anyone with a brain that this is working as intended i mean cmon bud.
@@Giliver The scaling system has been broken since forever. I think Rextroy abused it a few times
@@Giliver The WoW player pretending this is normal, when quick killing was always a thing for decades, you should probably uninstall bubba. That Blizzard milk in your mouth it's starting to drip.
This is why in sword art people hated the beta testers lmao
"We didnt like that the beta testers were leveling too fast so at launch we will make it harder by making the game kill you IRL when you wipe."
@@Shiirow Classic Blizzard move.
Do you not have life insurance?
"YOURE A BEATERRR!!!!"
@@Shiirow even worse they change the boss patterns now everyone including beta testers get wiped
Ahh, abridged is legendary if you haven’t seen it.
Blizzard be like: open up your wallets sheeps!
Blizzard fans: yes, lord! Harder! Yes.
Poetry
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@@nowayjosedaniel Gotta love YT :)
You mean YES MEE LORD! 😅
@@nowayjosedaniel I see 2 replies and visible
Don't worry about the bots. Let them stay invisible.
The only "Problem" that needs to be solved are the ppl that continue to hand Blizzard money.
To be clear, are you calling for a culling? I'd like you to be less vague and more spine.
@@scroom1202bro what do you mean by a culling don't be so vague do you mean like boycott?
@@wholesomeprofilepicture585 If you don't know what the dictionary definition is then I suggest you google it. Because I am being clear.
Hey I didn’t even know I was getting early access. I bought it for the pets and mounts . Start saving your money for next time 😐
@@scroom1202 how unhinged are you that you hear "a problem that needs to be solved" and jump to that 💀
“Laughs in 4 level 80’s before launch”
people dont realize that morality and principles are dead..
same tbh lol
@@HyenDryit’s a video game lol grow up
Get a life.
or the people who multiboxed and have like 20 chars on 80 now :D
You get what you deserve. Keep giving Blizzard money. That will surely change Blizzard lol
Funny thing is a lot of people like me, dont have anything else in live. Im gonna buy tww soon. Didnt play wow for years but im bored again with life, coming back to wow now.
@@Oabize why not find something actually useful to do instead of wasting time on a video game? learn a musical instrument or other new skill. Learn to speak a foreign language. Create art. Literally anything except the hypnosis rat-in-a-maze retail WoW garbage
@@moonashamaturity is realizing that there will always be people doing stupid shit and they will use every excuse to justify it. You cannot help people who don't want to be helped.
@@moonashathere is nothing useful in life mate. Just find what ever floats your boat.
@@moonasha no u
"players with _ENDGAME_ dragonflight gear were extremely powerful (so we making changes)"
They buffed everything to fix a "problem" for 5% of the characters and now every single alt and casual player will suffer from mobs tuned to ENDGAME gear. Logic...
To put into perspective, Asmon was questing in gear of which half of it originated from season 2. He wasn't wearing anything near endgame gear and he was molesting anything he hit.
With 520 ilvl you were literally oneshotting at 70.
Meanwhile a 580 character has problems killing packs of mobs for quests in the overworld because at 80, every elite is overtuned to the extreme and usually comes in packs of 2-4
Is it any wonder it feels bad? It makes you feel like Anduin, suddenly going from a hero to a sissy who can't handle 3 mobs at a time. Especially for players coming to this riding on the high of Pandamonium, and you just get depowered to the level of peasant. Last time I felt this weak at the start of an expansion was in BFA. Shadowlands and Dragonflight did a more decent job of scaling difficulty I guess.
@@ytubestolemyhandleElites should feel hard at the start of an expansion.
Bruh just don’t play endgame content the game is so much more fun without the extra endgame bullshit 😂 don’t buy into their shit you can do so much without the war within expansion
Have you even played the new expansion? Because you didn’t need mythic raiding gear to be busted.
guys when you will realise that you have to quit WoW so they are forced to actually start over and make WoW 2 in any form of MMO ?
Not worth playing lol. If you have to lose all your stuff for them to fix the game it's already done.
WoW 2 is a pipe dream. The only reason WoW is still even relevant is because no other MMO can stand up to the shear amount of content that WoW has accumulated over the past (almost) 20 years.
Think about how much they would have to work to come even close that that same level of content for a new MMO.
No, it's not going to happen.
Blizzard sold their company. WoW 2 will never happen. Not enough people will ever stop playing. This is what you get. Either you play this game or you don’t.
i refuse to believe that they did this because of player feedback lmao absolutely shameless.
they literally gain nothing from this change. take the tin foil hat off. people were bitching because dungeons were a joke with level 70's one shotting bosses bc secondaries scaled wrong. its just a bug fix
@@AlmostMeantToBe Blizzard Apologist
@@AlmostMeantToBe They gain more play time, more players playing and extended subs that they can show to their shareholders.
@@AlmostMeantToBe Hahaha, but they said that early access wouldn't have a long-term advantage and with this change they will.
@@AlmostMeantToBe yep literally dashed from boss to boss on dh, as a dps
Imagine giving blizzard money in 2024.
I've said the exact same line before.
diablo 4 is cool
@@starskygamers876 Aww look at you champ ! Your handler let you use the computer if you promised not to drool all over it again ? Oh who are we kidding, if anyone would be so brain dead that they think diablo 4 is good, there is no chance that those people would have the brain power to operate a keyboard. So Hi Starskys caretaker ! Please make sure he doesnt swallow his tongue and suffocate.. again !
@@_Lunaria Whats wrong with enjoying d4?
@@starskygamers876 Found one of the sheeps
I have a good salary, but this whole early access thing has left me feeling pretty bitter about the whole situation to the point that I really don't care about War Within and haven't logged in for weeks.
My salary is unfortunatelly in weaker currency that Euro that I would have to pay for the new expansion. I could still afford it. But they pissed me off with this decision and basically I stopped giving them money for WoW since this info was announced. I still play Diablo as I've bought it once and I am still having fun with it but if they take what is fun for me personally from Diablo as well for some bullshit reason of "give us more money" I will not buy the next thing either. I know D4 also had early access but since Diablo is primarly a single player experience for me, I didn't care. Even watching a streamer I like playing it earlier did not bother me. WoW is a different kind of experience for me and the hype of the start of an expansion is gone for me because of this fragmentation of community. As I've said, I could afford it. But paying additional 40 Euro while only getting 2 things I would value: 1 month game time and early access was far from worth it for me. If it was much smaller value difference then maybe I would consider it. But it's not like Blizzard needs that money.
Retail andies will still call you poor, it's literally their only argument to justify themselves being part of an abusive relationship
Are you still paying though?
Download turtle wow.
I can afford the money, but I can't afford sacrificing my self respect.
That is not a price I'm willing to pay for a video game.
Of course, because no testing was done before the expansion launched to figure out exp and leveling rates right?
Its not rate ro exp. Damage scaling was broken. Mages doing 2.5 mil dps, DK with 1.6 mil. Warrior tanks literally solo each dungeon with no issue without a heal. And ofcourse bottles whcih heals for 2.5 mil hp.
@@88Bulko Yep blizzard charges its customers to QA their purchases. lmao.
@@88Bulko The damage numbers mean nothing, it's purely a visual effect from the higher level's perspective since they're seeing the low level's upscaled numbers rather than the actual numbers they're pumping. And, like *every expansion* the players will lose power at first because that's how level cap increases work before new gear's added. You're outscaling your 70+++ gear and going back into normal leveling gear that's relatively far less powerful for its level. Scaling's been bad since MoP Remix, but it's not broken like it was in Legion or BfA.
@@88Bulko Thats what a tank is? Any tank can solo the dungeons without heals
@@masterblue1 since when it is normal? I'm not a big runnerm and i've missed legion and BFA, but soloing dungeon by tank was never a normal situation.
this is hilarious. people were literally 1 shotting dungeon bosses and now they're reverting that for the poor people.
After leveling 11 chars to 80 with early access and now all them at 570+ - I'm ready for this change - 🤓🤓🤓
What's funny is that Day [9] (a wow noob) soloed a 5 man dungeon boss without even realising that he was soloing a dungeon that was designed around 5 people. Like he accidently flew in, and just went with the flow with zero understanding of what was happening but still managed to kill the 1st boss of the dungeon.
@@citramate3633 i had a war do 15mill dps with 460 ivl gear on day 1.
@@bad209because there scaling is broken this is a good change there making us 80’s see 70s come in doing a million dps like it’s normal
I agree, it was way too easy. I literally solo'd dungeons on my DPS.
Not even sure which would be worse.
They couldn't figure this out before launch AND think changing it now is a good idea.
Or that they just planned this ahead of time to make early access more lucrative in the upcoming expansions.
As a new player with 480 gear I’m literally one shotting every mob at the start of the expansion. As I level I get weaker. This shit fucking sucks and feels awful and pointless to play. I think they’re addressing a real problem without fixing it. The scaling is fucking stupid and shouldn’t be part of the game- or at the very least it shouldn’t be part of the new expansion. It’s such a cheap bullshit streamlined way to make a game and it shows. The real problem with this change is only that early access players are getting another tangible advantage. Wow down to its core feels fucked. This early access drama is just a hemorrhoid on the butthole that is current wow.
Scaling is just such an inherently bad thing for almost all RPGs but especially MMOs. If I'm supposed to invest a ton of time in but never feel any sense of real progression, what's the point? FF14 has similar problems where everything is scaled but at least there it has some benefits like giving more content to play
I mean, in theory Scaling is great, it allows players of all levels to go wherever they want without being level-gated out of certain zones/content (which ive never really liked tbh) but in practice it doesnt hold up so well from a balance perspective.
I preemptively started attacking a rare last night, took an absolute walloping, but being a Pally i held my own (just!) and i was left thinking, wow that was brutal for a level 72 in DF endgame gear, cant imagine what its like for 'normies' - found out it was level 80 when it respawned and was trashing a level 80 toon, lmao. (a case of me tunnel-visioning to ensure i at least tagged the rare lest it had some insane respawn timer, if i had known it was 80, i may have side-stepped it)
@@Shaabhekh zones with higher mob levels were AMAZING! You had to be aware that one wrong turn could take your level 20 character into a zone full of level 40+ enemies. Scaling completely kills that
@@captainspaulding5963 Agreed, venturing into the Blasted Lands as a level 25 and reaching the dark portal wouldn't have been as cool if all the mobs were scaled down to me lol
@@daylon8985 asmon says everything then the opposite. And acts like it’s fact.
I literally saw a mythic geared WW monk only doing spinning crane kick and annihilating an entire dungeon without stopping
low level scaling + season 4 tier set bonus will make any lvl 70s melt dungeons.
Yeah I get that people want to jump on the 'early access bad' train, but it should have been fixed anyway
that's how dungeons are if there are lvl 70-73 in a group. I was the only lvl 80 in the dungeon and I was doing less dps than the healer
@@vashe9 same, LMAO. Felt like I needed a new main as rogue doesn't seem to do it.
@@vashe9 thats the same as pandaria remix ....where lvl 10 was oneshotting hc raids
at around level 75 < 2-4 hours into the game > these things wont matter as you will need to replace your tier gear from end game DF
they finally did it, they finally monetized "Exploit Early, Exploit Often"
Just like in remix
@@richardshiflett5181 with the frogs?
And it was a blast. Cant wait for next early acces
@@Robin...222learn to read the room, Autty
@@Robin...222 40 extra dollars for 3 days game time, financial genius
Hard to say what the intent was but still annoying. Everything else around this expansion launch has been blatantly scummy though. 1. Sticking the early access behind the highest cost preorder, preventing players from experiencing the new expansion (on the 20th year WoW anniversary no less) together with friends/guildmates unless they pay an extortion fee. 2. Excessive focus only on that Epic edition with any/all adds and nagging. 3. Once EA day came, Blizzard immediately pumped out tons of spoilers and interviews and such as though the expansion was released. 4. When actually buying the expansion, it was totally designed to trick you.. multiple times to select the epic edition. Then it tried to trick you into selecting the 1 year subscription.
Completely ridiculous and it honestly soured my vibe for the new expansion before I could even start playing. Blizzard has not changed. The accountants still steer the ship.
and yet you still bought and played it? well then, to Blizzard, there is no problem whatsoever, everything is working as intended
You are in an abusive relationship. Free yourself from it
Marketing advisors*
Then why did you buy it
Interesting. Its bit sad that people shit on company when it is a lot their fault. I knew about war within. I waited calmly for normal launch day. I bought the game as base edition and game time and suprise suprise. I enjoy the game so far. Meanwhile people trying to dig every possible shit.
That dragonflight example was complete dogshit. Prot warrior was uber busted, guess what that's why everyone else died and he could continue to tank 60 mobs. The reason that mammoth didn't kill you wasn't because it dealt not dmg it's because mcconnel healed you. You can literally see it on screen. Idk why asmon wants to sell this like we're all fucking rtarded but he just oversold his argument and doesn't want to back off from it. Also i specifically remember complaints in Shadowlands that leveling was too easy, and by contrast the exact opposite at lvl 80 that the Maw was too fucking punishing.
Asmon is an outrage streamer. He needs to lie to people to make them mad. Look at his videos.
@@JimSmith-g2d You're clueless, it's a matter of differing opinions and not lies.
@@imyournme6632 Stop lying for once, it not hard
@@JimSmith-g2d Ah now i'm lying too. Brother your Mother lied about your father too.
And being that busted was okay, but now people being way weaker than this and only around other expansions is not. They also notice this after early access and not in the months of alpha and beta. This is truly just a greedy move by blizzard to make people feel bad for not getting early access. Still ain't paying for it, I am happy with my base edition of the game.
so basically what this post just read was: "We didn't test this game beforehand at all, so sorry"
Alpha 2 for 120
It’s even funnier because people who bought early access also got beta, so they technically paid blizzard to test the game for them.
Guess they didn't lie about it being early access after all.
More like need to punish poor sheeps
It’s a very Microsoft thing to do to release an untested update or product and since they own the company well I’m sure we can expect more of that.
I dont feel bad for WoW players or for anyone who still plays shitzzard games
Hearthstone Battlegrounds are amazing, probably the best they've ever been. Blizzard are cooking with that game.
Free starcraft arcade ❤❤❤
Diablo 2 remastered is still good they haven’t managed to f that up yet
Hey, modded StarCraft 2 campaigns are great!
Not even WoW Classic is having me coming back. Stick to Project Ascension.
Learned the lesson here: not gonna buy the next expansion either
Missing the point of the nerf, they need ppl to buy 80 boosts later, not good for business if everyone levels all toons in 3 days.
Yoshi P recent did an interview about how easy the newest raid of FFXIV was. Instead of nerfing a high dps job, they raised all the other jobs to be more in line. Quoting that they didnt want to nerf the fun of the players since they seemed to be really enjoying the content. They decided to adjust the difficulty for the NEXT RAID TIER.
Nobody:
Blizzard: Fun detected, nerf it
That‘s because Yoshi plays his own game and knows what his audience wants and enjoys.
First tier to start off right still, return of meduim hit boxes and very pretty fights with great mechs...but yes hurt me the next tier
Just mashing 1 button isn't fun though. Like, Monks were running around spinning one shotting everything. If you wanna just mash a button, go play candy crush.
There are definitely some ''fun detected'' moments. Like, the melee nerfs are stupid (the decreased hitboxes/nerf of increased melee range talents). But this ain't it. Remix wasn't fun with the facerolling for the exact same reason.
It wasnt fun at all. But as i suspect, none of you played to know
Yohi P also forgot to make a good expansion LoL
Man I'm glad I didn't buy more game time. I literally had two days worth of game time left I don't think I'm going to be buying more when they keep pulling bullshit like this.
Edit: even after the hotfixs it's not that big of an issue. I don't feel any difference in my character's power.
You're absence will be as impactful as your presence.
@@michaelm6179 cool story.
@@michaelm6179 Really thought, who asked for your input?
Womp womp. I'm having fun. Maybe a kids game like FF14 is more your speed?
@@zeroghost115 They made it seem like a big deal. I feel no change. Been playing since the beginning. FF14 is pretty fun, stop trying to be elitist. You're no good at it.
This is such a deeper issue than this. It's because people were complaining the level 70 was more powerful than the level 78 when they were leveling. It's a legit dumbass thing caused by level scaling and for once it's not even Blizz being souless. It's straight up incompetence that lead to this. And it's not even a balance issue, it's a core game design flaw called "level scaling"
Scaling wonkiness, and the honeypot of 490 gear they gave out in the lead-up to TWW. When you enter TWW and the regular quest rewards are 400-410 ilvl... yeah, you're going to absolutely flatten everything when sitting closer to 500. The gap should not have been that large. Isle of Dorn has been a steamroll.
Just buff higher levels. "BuT i CanT dO mY rOtaTiOn!" I'd skip the whole leveling process if I could. Leveling is boring as hell in every game every. If you like leveling, you like slop. Its bad in Elden Ring, it's bad in WoW. It's bad in Elder Scrolls. You can achieve the same thing as leveling does by just making your stats based off of gear. Will give higher importance to crafting, dungeons, etc. As far as talents and abilities. Just make it so you can unlock or buy them with some sort of currency that drops from bosses or randomly or as quest rewards. So while you're out gearing your character, you're also finding upgrade to talents and abilities. Completely fixes all the dumb issues levels have. Which makes more sense "My character is suddenly and for no reason way more powerful because they gained a level" or "My character is way more powerful now that I found this cool new piece of equipment"?
This. 100% this.
@@SudoYETI Leveling in elden ring? What game are you playing lmao...
@@XnathOW ???? You literally have levels in Elden Ring all the way up to level 713.
This is the sort of things they should have used the beta for. This is so obvious that they couldn't miss it, hence there is an agenda behind it.
so do you think it was a smart move
I'm sure the early access people are happy
@@justanobody0 It's not a smart move, what I meant is that they should have done this "fix" while game was in testing mode, it's not something hard to spot, they knew this problem was there, they let it stay there until release to do this. There is a purpose in this, I just can't see which one except punishing people for not buying EA.
@@celexcelex2310 This is actually genius. By leaving such an obvious, terrible issue in the game for launch, they can pretend it never came up until their so-called Early Access, and use it as an excuse to say "See? The game WASN'T ready! We NEEDED EA!"
A beta isn't a beta anymore bro. It's just advertisement. Nobody uses a beta test for actual bug testing anymore.
Early Access was a scam anyways, some of the content they said would be avaliable wasn't. After 3 GM tickets, they gave me a refund.
Just to clarify because Asmongold isn't actually showing whats going on if anyone is wondering. This isn't about I kill mobs fast. I had this a few dungeons ago. I was 80 and had to do LITERALLY nothing the entire dungeon because a lvl 70 rogue was quite literally 1-2 shotting everything. He literally solod all the bosses. By the time I ran to the boss, it was dead. Now, did I care? No. But that's what the problem is, it is something that's ACTUALLY broken.
Just the clarify, this is not about how easy it is or how broken. Its about how its being changed at the wrong time (there is literally no other time its wrong to make this change, its ONLY now that it is wrong to make this change, and they're choosing to change it now).
So maybe your experience should or should not be the experience that is had... but it doesn't matter, because it is the experience EVERYONE Playing right now should have, until a few weeks from now, or if they'd fixed it before early access launch. That's it. That's the whole story.
Then blizzard fault for not testing.
They should have 500 dollar aphla & beta test.
Whats a lvl 70 doing in a 80 dungeon? Blizz fault for downscaling high lvl dungeons they should be down scaling your gear to hit ilvl limit to the new dungeon compared to their lvl instead. So the dungeon will feel the same regardless when you play it.
Except for max lvl then the limit should be lifted. They need to apply those exception for new content.
@@arketsjenkins5016 Just apply debuff for monster/player difference in dungeons...
It has always been this way, since i have memory of this game (except vanilla where leveling was core to the game), every expansion had a logarithmic line in easyness of leveling. In the beginning top, and than slowing down lvl after level....always been this way. Now they get it and dexide to change it?! Oh cmon....
I think the most annoying part about it is that they don’t even admit what it is.
“Oh, we’ve heard community feedback that you’re too strong at early levels, and we don’t think thats fun.”
Nah, bruh, this is some pay to win.
its not. basically everyone in my guidl me includad was complaining about it. maybe funny when you play your first char and mostly doing quests but if you want to level fast you go into duingeons and there it was just no fun at all cause you didnt even see a single mechanic of a boss. do that for a few hours to get your char to max level and you will just get bored.
@@sandroweber7157 ...I don't understand this logic. You don't have to do dungeons to level. You can just do the campaign again. But the problem with this change is it doesn't just affect dungeons, it affects levelling normally as well. For those characters stuck at 400 ilvl or below, they're gonna have a hell of a time levelling now and it's gonna be even worse if they enter a dungeon. Plus people just want to level to max anyway, and the faster they can do it the better, or why else give us a 5-25% exp increase for each 80 character? Why would you want to make it less fun to level, especially for newcomers?
No, this entire video exists because for a once the overall opinion of the expansion so far has been mostly positive. But that doesn't get views and clicks on social media, so Asmongold and co. have to reach up their back door and all the way down the hall way until their hands comes out again through the front door to make up something to get that sweet ad revenue money. And I'm a huge critic of WoW and Blizzard so I'm not trying to the defend anyone or anything. But criticism has to be truthful and grounded in reality or else it's just click/view farming. People call Blizzard customers sheep and yet they are so desperate to shallow their favorite streamer's love juice just because it aligns with their own thoughts and opinion. It's just confirmation bias and a lack of self awareness to see what's wrong with the picture they have fabricated in their own minds.
win what
Like I said in other posts, I was seeing level 80s morning after early release, it was legit too fast.
This is such basic shit to test, blizzard is a joke now.
Blizzard: "We're actually doing you a favor because now you have 2-years to save up for the next one!"
it was a neccessary change, but the optics and timing are genuinely horrendous. i dont fault anyone for feeling like blizzard are "incentivizing" buying the preorder next time for fear of missing out on an easier leveling time
If they truly wanted to impliment this change then they could've just waited another week. But they didn't even give the full five days that those in early access got. It's ridiculous.
It’s way too easy, I didn’t get the early access version and I played launch day for like 6-7 hours and I’m lvl 76 already and every regular mob can’t even survive a rotation of my attacks.
Even the elites I’m soloing easier than I remember any other expansion that I’ve played.
(Didn’t play shadowlands or Dragonflight)
@@JstBringItimagine if you worked that day
@@JstBringIt an hour per level is typically normal for a new Xpac. So you wernt even leveling fast tbh.
@@JstBringIt Right, I'm playing BM which is way on the low end of of the DPS charts and I still don't even have to bother with a rotation except on the dungeon bosses. I just can hit whatever I want and I live.
There was a level 70 blood DK doing 3 million DPS, not damage, DPS in my leveling dungeon. This was absolutely needed, I was only level 79 and the scaling was that bad. For reference, the rest of us were doing about 100k-300k.
Don't forget they said Earthen would be available on Launch and then they weren't actually available until September 3rd.
Yup, the false advertising is ridiculous. And then they try to hide it!
Yes and they changed the wording of unlock from “complete the war within LEVEL UP CAMPAIGN” to complete the WHOLE campaign! Ridiculous…
Oh no you'll have to wait a week before you can be the another reskin of Dwarf
Fr, they look almost the same @@Crobian
It's not the waiting that is the problem. I acknowledge that Earthen aren't the best race they could have released. It's that Blizzard released a road map that said Earthen were to be playable on the 22nd/26th, during Early Access and Global Launch, respectively. They sent out emails to customers indicating that they could be unlocked after completing the level up campaign and three specific questlines. Then, they removed all reference of being able to play Earthen on the EU store page.
They lied and falsely advertised. It's morally wrong and just another example of a billion dollar company jerking people around and getting away with it. It's about principle, which it looks like ya'll don't have.
Yea. Im surprised this wasent patched the day the plebs got access to the game, so only the premium tier people got to benefit from it.
True, im glad we could enjoy this
Leveled Alts in 2h
benefit? i watched his stream, not all the 6 hours but partially, and all I saw was collecting things or saving people, the "fights" were boring and he didnt even lose more than 5% of his health.. so what benefit are you talking about? that they had it extremely boring?
@@kke8901 getting their main +a fuck ton of alt's to lvl 80 in no time at all. It's quite beneficial to get those characters to max level, in order to focus on max level stuff. It's quite odd this issue wasn't caught way earlier, and getting patched before the early access even launched - or at least after day 1.
@@kke8901 The benefit is the massive levelling boost it gave. You could grind dungeons to 80 in 4-6 hours. If you don't think that's a benefit, I have no idea what you mean by the word.
The problem is that for a lvl 70 a boss has 1,5 mil hp. For a lvl 80 in the same dungeon, the boss has 20 mil. Now the lvl 70 will do more dmg because 30-40% haste mastery etc and the 80 is dumpster bad. So a 70 does 20 times the dmg of a lvl 80. A dungeon with a 70 is literally 10x faster than a group of full 80s. Thats the reason for a nerf. Not leveling being "easy" etc.
I don’t play WoW anymore.
“I’m an adult with limited time. I don’t have time to play garbage.”
- A Wise Man
12:41 sums up everything.
It's really unfair. I am skipping this expansion due to personal problems, but i feel sorry for "poor" people. They should NOT do it.
Haven’t played since MOP, co-worker talking about it nonstop.
“Leveling isn’t bad, can grind out 80 in no time and see if you like end game after all this time”
Me and a few others: Hmmm maybe I will try it again.
Me now: “Thank god, won’t even have to debate it now”
It's not a matter of them screwing anyone over, it was broken af. If dungeons take 5 minutes, or you go into the expansion with gear from WOTLK and still can't die you know its fucked. The change was necessary and it'll probably still only take 4 hours to hit cap after the change. The only mistake is not making this change immediately during early access, if anything leaving it so long made it an even bigger scam because they got through everything faster and had even less to do afterwards.
For what its worth though I've enjoyed it so far, big step up over the last few expansions which I checked out of almost immediately.
Oh no it's going to take maybe 10 hours at most vs 6 now. I don't even get close to finishing all the zones or even going to all of them before I hit max. Changing it barely changes anything because if your playing endgame your going to do all the quests anyway for faction unlocks. Or at least I do because I want that stuff, it probably isn't neccasary. Also older players who haven't played the game in years have no idea how different leveling and the game is now. If you haven't played since mop it quite literally feels like a different game with leveling. I've finished exactly one zone so far and am already at level 75 out of 80. Leveling has been a significantly shorter process for awhile now, since wod.
this issue happens every xpac and its majorly due to the fact that quest rewards are way weaker than end game previous gear , they just did a catch up event for 480 gear and TWW starts at 420-440ish it should be 480-500, so the mobs are scaled to be at 420 or below which makes it easy af, its so simple to see yet they repeat it time and time again
I didn't bother getting 480, at 445 it was easy, now i'm at 518 at 77 and didn't have to waste money on sub till the 26th ;)
Yeah but no. At 79 in full DF bis (530 ilv) so legendary, trinkets etc, my paladin was doing like 300k DPS in normal Dungeons while my level 70 mage in 489 was doing 3 million DPS. Item level wasn't the problem here.
I was getting 40 IL upgrades on quest gear and 1 shotting till 75ish with any ability+
nah this is blown out of proportion. I have hated retail and everything about it except rbgs for a long time. People in boosty gear were legit pulling half the dungeon at a time it was actually insane. Also "harder" to level in retail? come on now lmfao.
New WoW expansion, time to chase power you'll never find all over again. The cycle continues.
sounds like u dont like mmorpgs, gearing is fun
"You're only finished with WoW in the same way that a burglar is finished stealing from a Twinkie factory" -Seanbaby
@@williamdrum9899 what a garbage quote..
@@MokuTom I might have butchered it a bit, I can't remember how it actually goes but it's something like that
News at 11, MMORPGs have you chasing gear with each expansion and patch...
You would be surprised at the number of people crying that the game was too easy. This is something many people seemingly wanted.
which is so insane because theres literally nothing to gain from making leveling harder when all the content is catered to max level (for very very obvious reasons)
if you really think that this change wasnt good, you didn't play the game
Wow, where were these people crying during the alpha and beta testing, shocker, and only now its a problem?
@@alacritysp The people this affects didn't play the game.
I was almost oneshotting everything until lvl 74-75 with S4 gear
As someone who was playing during Early Access, let me put that Blue post into context. Y'all are conna Crucify me, but I gotta put some context to this: People weren't just 'extremely powerful'...
The dungeons lasted eight to ten minutes because the tanks could pull *every* mob between bosses. The post mentions people in Endgame Dragonflight gear, but I was still doing absolutely nuts numbers even in 480 (the catch-up Dalaran gear) and bosses died so quickly, you didn't even see mechanics a third of the time.
Leveling fast is fun, but yeah, this nerf to level scaling is totally warranted.
same thing after early access, i walk in dungeon and everyone is dying around me without ecen being able to cast my spells, I mean come on atm everyone can level up to max in n 2 hours for main char and less for warband. I do understand Asmon tho, he is entertainer and found a hot topic, but he is a smart guy he knows this is not a trick "to punish poor people" ffs 😂
How long did it take to notice that happening? Because it really seems they sat on the problem until the EA was over, and then decided to fix it right when the plebs joined in. Which is kind of the point: you let the people who paid the EA abuse of a bug, and then fix it when the people who didn't pay join in. The timing stinks to high hell, to be honest.
Leveling being to easy isWows main problem for years, it doesn't feel worthwhile and why i haven't played it in years
Your in the minority my friend
Very much disagree. If i could press a button to skip leveling i would every time
@@itsButeii Yes you can. It's called boosting.
@@noahtheliberator yeah but at a cost of $60 lmao . i rather just work for my levels , makes the game more interesting and fun . a huge sense of accomplishment working for everything .
@@noahtheliberator paying as much as expansions originally cost lol
Regardless of the early access thing. I want mobs to hit harder, not have bigger HP pools. I remember my first day in TBC and how deadly the mobs felt back then
Classic was not difficult. The model of retail wow is also very diffrent with m+ being where you are going to see the enemies hitting hard now. M+ is much harder then classic due to the infinite scaling, the more intriguing rotations, the way you have to pull, being on a timer, and damage playing an impact instead of surviving being the only goal.
@littlenuggets6426 M+ is a playground for metagamers who are happy to run in corridors continuously. It's not relevant to my comment on the questing experience.
The Wrathguard units in TBC would do a fire wake spell. You stood in the fire, you'd be burned quick, especially in fresh 58 gear.
You enter PVP and players will frequently burn you down with powerful attacks/synergies.
My comment is that not enough world mobs deploy attacks that would be used in a raid and could be threatening to the player, so questing becomes a remove your brain activity whilst you listen to 2nd monitor content. When the threat is too low in the casual/newbie space, the gap becomes that much larger for them to enter higher tiered content.
I want the mobs to spawn less shit on the ground. Whenever a tank pulls massive mobs that spawn the seeds of corruption it takes up the whole area and does massive damage. I don’t know. I just feel like my character is moving more often than I’m actually casting anything.
The change was unnecessary & poorly timed but there was a very bad scaling problem.
It was a level 70 pulling an entire dungeon and then 1 hitting everything, including the boss, while being invincible. It took 15 minutes for each level just queueing random dungeons.
the real scummy behavior is that the expansion came out on a weekend if you paid for the highest tier. For full time workers that's a cock in the ass. For us it came out on Tuesday, who the fk is going to buy and play a wow xpac during the week ? I still haven't purchased it because I'm waiting until I actually have time lol
Does it matter if you give Blizzard your money on Saturday, Tuesday or Friday?
Expansions often come out during the week for WoW. From what I remember most expansions released on reset days.
Have you tried not being poor?
@@snackerrrwelfare ?
Friday is welfare day you can buy it then and stop complaining
To be fair, the time to kill at level 70 compared to 80 was insanely different, it felt like it increased ACTUALLY thousandfold even with the gear upgrades, but I think they should have just reduced the scaling on higher levels instead, because spending so much time on normal mobs was annoying and time consuming.
It has been since BFA
Absolutely, I mean the scaling was HORRIBLE.. I got in one-shotting elites at 70... With a fresh leveled character in pre-patch... As a healer.
as a fire mage at 80 in 571 gear, it takes all of my cooldowns, EVERYTHING, to kill more than one regular mob. its insane
I keep on dying on mobs that shouldn’t be this strong, it’s annoying
The funny thing is that this is probably a good thing, but the fact that they did early access and the changes only impact the people who refused to take part in that.
But I'd like to think we can all agree that mobs being absolute pushovers are bad. People were commenting on Asmon leveling and roasting the game because of how dirt easy it was.
But yeah the fact that they make the change so it impacts people with self respect and self control is a slap in the face for sure.
Glad I didn't give these loot goblins any money.
Who cares ? Asmongold's point is exactly that. The leveling has always been bad because of the scaling, and truth be told, who cares ? The game only starts at max level, i'd rather get there faster than slower. Smacking a target dummy of a mob for a few more gcd's is just as boring as 1shotting them.
Idk that they fixed it personally, the problem is that they fixed it just 24h after Early Access despite them 100% knowing about the "problem" way before release.
@@zumzici1234 "The game only starts at max level, i'd rather get there faster than slower."
No. Your game only starts at max level. Because you play retail. Because you have given up on Blizzard ever creating an expansion that actually goes back to what made World of Warcraft successful in the first place. Because you are part of the problem.
I mean hell dude, you could say the point of the game is progression, which at "max level" is just gear. So why don't we all just start with max gear as well? Why do we even need to raid? It's just a process that gets in the way of you having what you want.
I don't even think you *play* World of Warcraft. I think World of Warcraft plays you. You're the kind of person that likely pays Blizzard for level boosts, which is literally paying Blizzard to NOT play the game that you're paying to play. That's INCREDIBLE dude.
You're their target audience though, so whatever. It is what it is. You won. Congratulations. Enjoy the dead game with you and the other microtransaction enjoyers. Keep defending Blizzards poor decisions lol.
How the hell did they not catch this in playtests? No stress testing on damage output possibilities?
They didn't catch it because the point of a beta isn't to fix bugs, it's to advertise the game and build hype.
@@Hooga89there was also a way to just play at level 80 and skip leveling which most people chose to do. Also if you played the beta there was so many bugs, and there still is that it is no surprise that something like this slipped under the rug
Imagine putting this in as a bug and asking if you were meant to one shot most things until almost 80 on the beta. Me and my buddies did this and never got a solution for it. We didn't mind that things were dying in 1-2 hits no matter the level of the player.
Blizzard: "If you don't want to spend extra money on an early start, then spend extra time and money on the monthly sub instead."
WoW players: 😍
soooo... they hit 80 in 2 days instead of 1 day? Oh, the horror.
@@lukas8708 Exactly, one small piece of 💩is nothing, but then they add another 💩 and another 💩and suddenly it's a $40 dollar tip on your way out the door.
The problem isn't them making the mobs more difficult as a bandaid to scaling, because it's broken. The problem is that they charged for early access and therefore making such a change looks scummy. If they hadn't charged for early access, they could make such a change with no problem. Either way, though, there is no way they didn't know this was a massive issue before release.
so because they charged for early access they should stop fixing stuff and let the game at bad stage?
but after the changes leveling feels better.. doesnt feel good when you are op at 70 and weak at 80.
@@MozirMikoto To not look bad in this situation they could have one of the following: Not charged for early access. Actually tested their game before release in order to know how bad the scaling got by level 80. Or, best of all, implemented a scaling system which scales properly within the expected level range within the game's future.
This problem will pop up again next expansion unless it is addressed during this one. And due to its nature, it will be worse.
@theroyalcam
its literally impossible to miss this scaling problem throughout the alpha > beta > early access and only realize it 24 hours after global release. anyone who doesnt think blizzard did this on purpose is delusional unironically
Dudes got more tabs than a soda machine
I've watched streams, and i notice how peoples in 519 level gear at level 80 ELIMINATED all the diungeons, pulling like 20-30 mobs and evaporates them. Especially monks, DK's, warriors, mages. Dungeons were completed at 5 to 10 minutes. This is was insane. Players literally leveled in dungeons running them non stop, getting to level 80 at 4-6 hours.
Don't lie. If you saw people "eliminating" in dungeons, you saw people below 80 and the damage was scaled up. At 80 with 530 gear, my stats was utterly fucked and my damage was still pretty good but it wasn't millions of dps good. Case in point: my damage in HC at 567 is 500k overall. I saw a 70 warrior with 491 gear do 1.2 million damage in single target. But this has been a thing with scaling in WoW since Legion. You could do dungeons at level 10 and do more damage than someone who's level 50. This is not a problem!
@@Pitchguest I've literally tun today a dungeon being lvl 80 and see how People do x2*x3 of my damage. We liretally tear from boss to boss while my abilities still were on CD. And my ilvl is 550.
I think that this is issue. And the scaling is broken.
it took my 515 mm hunter to delete bosses with CD+3 aimed shots.
@@88Bulko yes and should be fixed. But to fix it a day after early access and not during or a week after? Thats the issue.
If that is not amazing triple A game design...
Whether the gameplay is balanced appropriately or players think it should be one way or another, the real problem is that blizz is conflating early access, as in beta testing a developing game, with early access to play the game, via a preorder promotion, deluxe edition, etc. Either characters shouldn't transfer to live, full access play, or they should have balanced their game better before releasing to a promotional early access. It wasn't in a release-ready state if they feel the need to make such extreme changes.
It's weird. The War Within is the first ever expansion me or any of my friends haven't bought or played. My friends have played since vanilla and they got me into the game in Cataclysm. We've always come back for a new expansion, but not this time. No one cared. The expansion release even went by and because there wasn't a dedicated moment in time when people got access world wide. It felt like watered down bs. Which is exactly what modern WoW feels like.
Leveling in retail is such a joke that this won’t matter. Oh no, it’s going to take you an extra few hours to hit 80.
Yeah but still not fair towards people that didnt buy early access (I did and leveled them all so i dont care but still not fair) also a few hours on 10 alts makes it days so it is a big thing :)
Hell, even Burning Crusade had easy leveling up to level 60. I remember one of the selling points of Guild Wars 2 was that you could spend as much time as you wanted in an area, do pretty much everything you wanted, and see most of the area by the time you're done. In WOW, if you tried to do everything in the starting area, you'd already be over-leveled for the next area.
I won't lie, bro, I actually agree with this change. Leveling was so boring, I actually ended up equipping the quest gear over my raid gear because I was just bored one-shotting everything. And even then I was still killing things way too fast. I didn't feel like I got to play my class while I was leveling.
That being said, they should have waited until like a week after launch so the people who want to go fast don't feel like they got shorted.
exactly man!!! It was just too insanely easy and still is ... just too braindead easy
So EU normal peeps got double fucked, Thx Blizzard, always a pleasure to play at release.
EU get the short end of the stick in just about every game. That said blizz are one of the worst offenders by far.
Fucked? This is a great fucking change. It was too fucking easy and very boring to play, things died just looking at them.
I was one shoting everything like in MoP Remix it was not fun at all
@@Legatium who the fuck cares ? Hitting a target dummy of a mob during leveling is just as boring as 1 shotting them. The game starts at max level, i'd rather get there faster than slower.
The problem isn't even the fix itself, it's the timing of it, i don't understand how is it that hard for some people to comprehend basic logic .
Why does blizzard think people care about 70-80. No one wants to be under 80. Why make it harder to get to end game
Blizzard are so incompetent
Despite Blizzard having these problems in the past, it sucks that they did the bug fix for the first expansion that offered an Early Access. If they had allowed Heroics during the Early Access, lvl 80s wouldn't be doing Normals and being outdamaged by early 70s when Early Access was supposed to give people (who are willing to pay for it) a chance to level more alts and decide on a main. Plus, with each max level character, you get an account-wide (server-wide?) exp buff by 5% each max level character, thus making alts faster to level. Blizzard's intention was not to punish people starting later, but fixing something that was never a time-per-level issue but a damage-per-level issue.
Weren't people complaining that they were one shotting everything? People will just complain about pretty much anything
This honestly peeps were bitching about it now blizzard actually make the adjustments peeps wanted and they're still whining it's unreal
Two different camps of people. One side is braindead and get stressed from seeing their HP bar move and having to use more than one ability - these are the ones moaning that they are getting "nerfed"
The real problem with geared players stomping those dungeons quickly: it lowered the amount of time players would be spending in the game thus lowering monthly active hours played numbers. Can't be lowering the metrics as this would upset the shareholders! Nerf into the ground so players have to spend more time per dungeon thus more hours spent overall to get the same amount of progression.
I will say, it was insanely easy to level. Like one shotting everything during early access.
Exploit early.
Exploit often.
-Microactizzard, 2024 a.D.
as a returning player with no high end gear from previous xpac...
the level 70 enemies were a major progression blocker.
i entered this xpac at like 280ilvl from just leveling 45-70 after being gone for like 5 years..
xpac immediately dropping 408ilvl green quest rewards.
at level 76, and 495 ilvl... game is more tolerable. survival and damage isn't completely potato..
went from 20k hp to 1.5mil hp in 5 levels.
Lol it isn't even a XP nerf, this was all fake drama no xp is being nerfed. They are nerfing scaling which caused a shitton of exploits to emerge.
The point isn't that they shouldn't fix the scaling, the point is that this should never have happened in the first place because the game was in Alpha and Beta for 10 months and they obviously knew about it. The fact that they fix this *now* instead of then is proof that they *sat* on this to do it at the precise opportune moment.
@@Hooga89if you play retail you will notice there is like 1000 bugs, the fact it wasn't fixes til now can be chalked up to more then just money
Me still enjoying FF14 Dawntrail two months after launch:
"Oh, WoW had an expansion? Neat."
Edit: The wow andy's are really upset about this. Cry more.
Isn’t there like only 10000 playing that shit? 😂 most under hyped mmo expansion I’ve ever seen in my fucking life
I have fond memories of FF14, the story is/was so much better. EA well it saved me from being on a boat/ship dock for an hour waiting to catch a ride to the new zone like in DF.
ok? at least wow is still massively popular. no one cares nor plays FF..
How does it feel playing your easy boring game with 3 buttons?
you having to let us know that "a game no one plays, neat"
Scaling in video games is one of the dumbest and most pointless things ever created, no player asked for this. It's just devs being lazy and scalling mobs with a mathematical equation rather than manually adding in health and stats, they created this problem.
The poor and rich take is so boring. Nobody who is poor is playing a $15 a month game and buying $50 expansions. It has nothing to do with poor or rich and everything to do with the principle of early access for literally everyone playing this game.
I mean you’re right about the 2nd part, but there are a lot of people on welfare that just don’t do much else but game so they don’t spend money on anything wlse
@@sasukefaan If they dont do much else and are on welfare they could afford $40 more for early access
You missed the point entirely. Level 70's doing big damage isn't a problem. Level 70's doing more damage than Level 80's is. It's an rpg. You're supposed to feel stronger when you level up, not weaker.
You are the one missing the point. Why didn't they fix this for the early access? Do you think they didn't know then and they just realize it now?
and yet, it was ok for the early access players. also it was a problem in remix. they just went with it.
The scaling was the actual problem and what prompted the need for it to be addressed. Lvl 70s doing 95% of the dmg in a dungeon with a group of 78's. 5 Lvl 70's could dungeon grind and 2 shot bosses. Tanks at lvl 70 could literally solo dungeons with ease. It was not always like that and it needed to be addressed.
let them do "dungeon grind" at 70. Soon they will hit 78 and be humbled.
WoW is such a joke I don't know whose worse, Blizzard or the players that keep funding it
People really need to find something better to do than complain about stupid shit.
100%. This doesnt even seem that bad.
People complaining about stupid shit is _kinda_ the modus operandi for humanity these days - *especially* on social media platforms…
I never said the people complaining were stupid. But yeah, I just wish people would stop searching so meticulously for the negative side of every situation.
Oop yeah sorry about that. Dunno why I put it in quotes either, I wasn’t trying to quote you
@@Scuuurbs it's all good haha
God im glad I didn't waste my time with everything that came after burning crusade
im leveling atm and its not even close to hard . its easy as F*** just like before! Stop crying on every change blizzard makes. If you dont like it then dont play it. There are so much people who crying all the time that WoW is so bad and Blizzard is so bad and the Game is dead. Even people in my friendlist are crying and guess what...as soon as the Xpac launches they are online 24/7 . As i said in the beginning. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT.
You said it! These crying people ruins the game for everyone else and this is the reason why I won't come back to play because the attitude around the game is terrible.
Was required. Mobs fell over at 70-73. As someone who came back after 5-6 months, it felt very strange.
What the "poors" don't seem to realize, is that it's actually not saving them anything to purchase the standard expansion. By the time you include the free month subscription and a single additional perk (level boost, mount, EA- whichever), you basically come out ahead purchasing the top tier expansion.
Wasn't sure if we wanted to play War Within or not, so we've waited. When we did decide, two of us wanted the Epic Edition and was going to purchase it this weekend when we came up with enough money. I'm glad they did this when they did because none of us want to play now. It's not about the making of the lvling harder, it's about the attitude. It's about the arrogance of punishing people in a recession for not purchasing early access. The only incentive you've given us is not playing the game at all. Good job blizzard! You just lost 3 players!
As someone who didn’t get early access, I’ve already struggled to level by getting constantly ganked
I can attest that it was ZERO fun running through dungeons chasing the tank pulling 4 rooms at a time into the boss and things being 90% dead before you even get there. There's zero comparison to other expansion launches.
People complain about leveling being harder? That's sad. Leveling up should be the core content of every expansion. End-game content is just there to keep you going.
non-early access people: *complains about how everyone leveled really fast*
Blizzard: *responds to that feedback, nerfs leveling speed*
non-early access people: *nerfed themselves to now it will take even longer for them to catchup*
Funny how some people thought Metzen gonna change anything about abomination moddern Blizzard is.
Metzen is a lore / story / art guy. He was never involved in the mechanics of the game. Ion is still the decrepit ghoulmaster running the pve show.
What they're really saying is "We noticed that people who didn't buy EA began making fun of the EA people because they were leveled to max in a few hours after EA and started calling the EA players losers for wasting money. When the EA players realized they were suckered into wasting money, we had to make the poors pay."