Great presentation. Thanks for the mention. I was so grateful to get my power station and it revolutionized my efficiency in the shop. However, I built the ShopDeputy to replace the power station and it is far superior to the power station in every way. For those interested in having a power station as a collectable I can see it. But fro a purely utilitarian point and given to low cost of mark 5s in the used market, I believe most people would be better off with a ShopDeputy.
I agree Tom if someone wants to free up the Mark 7, using the old headstock with the Shop Deputy thats the way to go. I certainly have enjoyed mine. Of course you could do the same thing by buying a used SS if you don't have the extra headstock.
I have and a second 510 and have been dragging my heels to convert it to a shorty. Probably will do that soon as room in my single car garage is at a premium.
Since I have six SPTs plus the free standing scroll saw, I would love to have a stable full of the power stations; however, since my garage shop has to be convertible to make space for cars and large family gatherings, I don't have the room for all those dedicated stations. On the other hand, I am pretty satisfied to be able to use all my SS equipment at a leisurely pace and enjoy my time making sawdust. Thanks for yet another very informative video, especially all the specifics that help us SS users make wise decisions. Blessings, Glen
Thanks for another great one. I think we discussed the practicality of a powerstation vs. a 2nd Mark V/7 a while back and I'm glad that I didn't bite on buying a PS. A second Mark (full or Shortie) is a whole lot more useful IMHO and there are plenty on the used marketplaces.
Once again you have shown why it is good to be a member of this group. Your in-depth knowledge of Shopsmith products is “ worth the price of admission” as the old saying goes. I pretty much use my Power station for the bandsaw and sanders. I like having it in the shop. Thanks for sharing.
Great informative video. Look forward to each and every one. I agree that unless you found either one locally your better off buying a 5** whatever, and cutting it down if you need space. Being familiar with the full size unit would leave less room for a memory laps causing injury.
Wow, you caught me off guard. I have a power station and I use my jointer on it. Hmmm never had a problems with it but I only take off a small amount with each pass. Now I'm going to go back and re-read my instruction book. I got the power station so I wouldn't have to life the jointer on and off of my Mark 7. Perhaps I should rethink this? I love the way you make me re-think things. Keep up the good work.
Anne, as long as you’re comfortable taking light passes and feeding the stock slowly, it shouldn’t give you any problems. I’m just used to using full size, powerful jointers, and find that accommodation for the low speed is just annoying!
Scott as you know I am nearly fanatic about my SS and constantly defend, promote and at times educate my wood working friends about the tools. However this machine never made any sense to me. The least Shop Smithy tool they ever made. IMHO. looking forward to the mid week Q&A! As always great content I learn something every time
Great video, Scott! After watching Tom's video some time ago, I got the idea that the motor could be "reversible" on my own Power Station with only a switch addition, so I bought (from Amazon) a pre-wired DPDT toggle switch for that purpose. Why reverse it, you ask? My thinking was that I could set up the strip sander on the PS with the lathe tool grinding jig on it, a setup which needs to be run in reverse, while the Mark 7/Mark 5 is set up for lathe turning. Soooo...I did it, it didn't take much time, and it works great. The switch from Amazon got mounted it to a home-made bracket on the top frame facing sideways to avoid accidental switching. So, for me, reversing the PS motor was workable, easy to do, and served the purpose I had intended.
A great video which answered my question(s) regarding the Crafters Station. I have a power station that I purchased a number of years ago. I have been maintaining according to the manual. But I really look forward to your tips and tricks for maintaining it. Thanks again for touching on the various subjects that are always timely for me!!!
When you do the deep dive, I'd love to see a breakdown of setting proper tension on the drive couplers. My couplers have the little spring in one end and I've always wondered how much the spring should be compressed. I recently had the spring begin to shove the lower drive shaft out the other side of my band saw, bending the retaining clip in the process.
When the power stand first came out I bought one and I use it al the time... I use it mostly with the bandsaw and ready.... my jointer. I have a very small shop footprint and I didn't want to buy 6" or 8 " jointer that would take up a lot of room in my shop... the power stand with the jointer has done a very good job so far... even with a reduced RPM???
You can achieve the exact same number of cuts per inch with the cutter head running slower just as long as you feed slowly. This might be one of those “How ya gonna keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Paris” sort of things.
Yep, Shopsmith realized and created the ability to run the jointer simultaneously with the tablesaw back in the 10er days. Best to use a 3/4 or higher HP motor for that on those machines.
Interesting, I didn't even know Shopsmith was even still in business. I remember they used to advertise on tv back in the 1970s. And there were ads for them in all of the science and shop magazines.
Yes, they are still chugging along, though they aren’t what they once were. They used to have 50 retails stores scattered around the US and one in Canada and in the UK, but those are long gone. Even so, there’s a loyal base of users out there that need parts and accessories, so they have enough business to keep going. Thanks for dropping in. Scott
I purchased one of the early power stations to power my bandsaw and belt sander, and to free up my shopsmith to home the jointer, like that guy on my favourite youtube channel. I have even been lucky enough, especially in the Canadian market place to find a few more. So I now have all my SPTs set up as freestanding tools on power stations. An observation and Comment on the crafterstation. I often thought it would be nice to have a CS for simple cuts on a flat table. I even thought about converting one of my PS to run in reverse like Tom did. But i have taken Tom's advice. However, Could a CS or PS not be used from the "back side" to cut dado grooves. Aside from not being able to use the saw guard, but it could be set up for non through cuts and controlled from the PS control side. One Would need to mount the blade to run in reverse on the arbour. But the fence and miter gage should function normally from the back side of the SS table. The cutting edge of the blade would just be closer to the feed side of the table. I know not necessarily a safe setup but for none through cuts Maybe?
I look Forward to the Maintenance of the Power station. I have one that i need to do a full Maintenance on because i purchased it used with a Cast Iron Band Saw for $100 several years Back and Need to do Maintenance on the bandsaw as well :( not enough hours in the day :)
Scott- I am buying a second shopsmith 510. I plan on cutting down to a shorty. Can you tell me the correct length for the reduced length of the tubes? Sorry to bother you buddy. Safetyman @ Barringer
No bother at all. There’s really no correct length and it really depend on your desired length. What is important is that you remove the same length from all four tubes and don’t get them mixed up.
I would add that the crafters station is just as it’s name implies, for folks that want a small machine for sawing, scroll saw and maybe bandsaw chores. I bought one just to look at! Lol ps it came with 5 table saw inserts.
great video as always. I think I will look for a Mark V and cut it down and put it a wood cabinet stand if I want a third stand. And yes it does seem an irony that we want separate tools and the purpose of the SS was a single tool. That being said, I'm almost 70 and don't want to get hurt lifting my SPT tools and would like to keep wood working till I can't see any more!!! In addition, each SPT needs a place to store it, why not have a motor on the place to store it? In addition, when I got started with my SS it didn't even have room for all so SPT but them Mark V gave me a lot of options. Now, I love the machines, why should I sell them and buy separate machines. It would be a maintenance learning curve again, and show me where I can buy parts for a 10 year old machine that is not made in the USA? Naaa, if it isn't broke, why break it. Just modify the space now that I can and keep on trucking. Besides that, where can I find a great youtube channel for maintaining my Makita or DeWalt?
Interesting video on some shop smith history. I have just aquired from a buddy of mine he’s wife’s fathers shop smith Bryco Router Arm with pin table. Pretty neat machine. I have three shop smiths and it seems they find me lol. Do you have any videos on this piece of equipment in use or a link to a comprehensive video by others. It came with a porter cable with1/2 collet capacity. Router purrs nicely and all mechanisms work. Thank you.l
Hey John. No, though so own a Shopsmith Router System, which is the name that the router arm eventually evolved into, I have yet to do a video on it. I guess that needs to be done! Scott
@@MyGrowthRings thanks Scott. I’ve seen router system on shop smith and some very skilled adaptions a that have placed router on plat forms while giving them more flat surface for table saw. All are good. I continued to search pin routers and saw many by other names and models and I have the information i need. The unit is really simple well thought out. I only wanted for the 1/2 in capacity router but after researching I’m all in to bring it complete back and make it a staple in my shop. Re build the original table and make a cabinet I saw went with it originally while researching. I also just acquired a 1970 craftsman wood lathe one owner in amazing shape . They also had a craftsman 6x48 sander with 9 in disc also in excellent shape. Both are built to last. Don’t hate me but I think I will sell or trade all three shop smiths for a decent band saw. Witch is what I mostly use smith for. It can’t touch a dedicated table saw that I have the room for. But not 3 smiths 😄in all shades of disrepair. I have 50$ wrapped up in all three it you can believe it. Thank you for reply and will gladly watch a video from you on shop smith router. Yours are the most complete and in-depth that are actually current. Your experience is top notch.
I would love to own a shop smith but the sizes/capacity of the surface planer, jointer and band saw makes it a no go. Seems like something that could be reminded with a stronger motor. Maybe some day.
There’s always a limit. The SS planer will handle a beam that’s 4”x12”, so I never had an issue with that limitation, but an 8” jointer sure should be nice.
Cheap shot - dang, the audio suffered in this video. Too much gain. Ok, now to a productive comment. Thanks for being so thorough with the explanation with this. One benefit for using the Crafter’s station as a table saw is that it could be run in reverse to cut acrylic or polycarbonate sheets. One problem then would be if the saw arbor decided to unwind itself.
I agree, it was really bad. One of these days when I’m over my trauma I’ll explain all the issues I had with the editing and recording of the audio! suffice it to say, it should get better.
Plenty of room under that machine for a 3 phase motor and VDF. It would be a beast with a 3 hp. remove the manual speed control and go direct drive and use the VFD and they are reversible motors. Was that your Idea. I am hoping to upgrade one of my mark -v's this fall. but instead of a vfd I I think I am going to use a large 48 volt 3000 watt DC motor and power supply. 3-4K 48 volt power supplies are sold all over Ebay used for 100 to 150 bucks. They use them in communications and they are abundant used. They run on 110 or 220- and have half power on 110. 3000 watt brushless 48 volt motors put out 3.62 HP and you can get them with a speed controller for about 200 bucks. They are a heck a lot smaller motors than a 3 phase motor. One of the beautiful things is you can get them with a electric brake in the speed controlled that will stop and lock the motor alost instant. Huge red E-stop is possible. I watched a video that put a small 600 watt motor on a benchtop milling machine. and the brake was a feather I liked. the motor I was looking at turns at almost 6000 rpm down to 10. Almost 4 hp you have plenty of room to step the speed up with a belt and get 10,000 for a shaper. 4000 watt brushless puts out 4.83 hp. both the 3k and the 4k watt motors are smaller in physical size than the 1 1/8 motor in them now. The power supply would have to mount under the way tubes. But think about it if you want you could get a lithium battery and have it cordless too. Look at dewalt they are using brushless DC motors in table saws and chop saws.
Yes, the PowerPro headstock is interchangeable with any Mark V going back to 1954 and it will even fit the Mark 2 and 1960's Mark VII machines as well.
Hi. I ran across a Shopsmith stand along router table with router for sale. It looks pretty useful, works overhead and under. Might I ask what are your thoughts on that system compared to routing with your shopsmith itself. Model 515702. Thank you for your videos!
Do either of these devices have the same motor as a mark v? Would a mark v motor work? When we upgraded my mark v we removed the old motor, could either be repowered with that motor with some adaptations? That crafters station looks slick, no one on eBay has it, are they hard to find today?
OK, I'll bite, looking at the ShopSmith website under products and Power Station, it only shows Special Purpose Tool Power stands, not like your Power Station in this video. Are they not available anymore?
The nut would come loose and the blade would go rolling across the floor. Now, if Shopsmith wanted to they could make a different arbor for that application, but then other problems become apparent. The table isn’t made to tilt to the left and there is a tie bar between the posts on the headstock side that would get in the way of any blade or guard.
I recently bought the "Power Stand" from SS. You find it under the "Power Station" section, which is a bit misleading. It is unfortunately a faint shadow of the Power Station you demo in this video (which by the way is excellent). Assembly was difficult, as was adjustment of belt, speed is for all practical purposes fixed, and for that reason is really good only for one tool. I use it for the bandsaw, which works fine. I dont understand why SS would sell such an inferior version when the design you demo'd is clearly better.
Howdy MGR, catching up on some older videos while suffering fro some insomnia. Doesn't the power station make the case against the ShopSmith, meaning that stand alone tools are inherently better.
I must be missing something. Could you not just turn the circular saw blade around on the arbour? I guess the switch would be on the wrong side but otherwise it would work.
If you flipped the blade around, you would also have to flip the table around, but the opening for the sawblade on the table wouldn't line up with the arbor.
I like the way you think, Jonathan. A couple problems that you would encounter doing that: 1.) you would have to change the way the arbor nut is threaded on, to prevent it from coming loose. 2.) you would have to redesign the table support, because it is only designed to tilt towards the right. Additionally, there is a tie bar on the right hand side of the post that would interfere with your guard and blade. Obviously I’ve given that a lot of thought to! It sure seems like the most straightforward way to approach it, but Shopsmith discovered that there were too many hiccups approaching it that way. Scott
Thank you for the response in South Africa the shop smith's products is not that available and to top at AL the exchange rates is killing us. I recently got hold of mark 5 with no motor and some of pulleys no I seen a mark 7 that's for sale but in bad state but the headstock powerplant is looking to be AL their so thank you again for your response, merry Christmas and happy new year for you and the family
@@gerritburger4249 That must be tough finding these tools in what Shopsmith considered secondary markets. Do you have something like eBay or Craigslist there?
Yes we got not reliable but some times your lucky, like I said the exchange rate is killing us but thanks I enjoy all the information on Growth Rings keep it up.
Great presentation. Thanks for the mention. I was so grateful to get my power station and it revolutionized my efficiency in the shop. However, I built the ShopDeputy to replace the power station and it is far superior to the power station in every way. For those interested in having a power station as a collectable I can see it. But fro a purely utilitarian point and given to low cost of mark 5s in the used market, I believe most people would be better off with a ShopDeputy.
Tom in for the assist! Thanks Tom!
I agree Tom if someone wants to free up the Mark 7, using the old headstock with the Shop Deputy thats the way to go. I certainly have enjoyed mine. Of course you could do the same thing by buying a used SS if you don't have the extra headstock.
I have and a second 510 and have been dragging my heels to convert it to a shorty. Probably will do that soon as room in my single car garage is at a premium.
Since I have six SPTs plus the free standing scroll saw, I would love to have a stable full of the power stations; however, since my garage shop has to be convertible to make space for cars and large family gatherings, I don't have the room for all those dedicated stations. On the other hand, I am pretty satisfied to be able to use all my SS equipment at a leisurely pace and enjoy my time making sawdust. Thanks for yet another very informative video, especially all the specifics that help us SS users make wise decisions. Blessings, Glen
Thanks, Glen. Yeah, I teeter back and forth between making my SPT's stationary and swapping them out on the Power Station.
Thanks for another great one. I think we discussed the practicality of a powerstation vs. a 2nd Mark V/7 a while back and I'm glad that I didn't bite on buying a PS. A second Mark (full or Shortie) is a whole lot more useful IMHO and there are plenty on the used marketplaces.
Once again you have shown why it is good to be a member of this group. Your in-depth knowledge of Shopsmith products is “ worth the price of admission” as the old saying goes. I pretty much use my Power station for the bandsaw and sanders. I like having it in the shop. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Jim.
Great informative video. Look forward to each and every one. I agree that unless you found either one locally your better off buying a 5** whatever, and cutting it down if you need space. Being familiar with the full size unit would leave less room for a memory laps causing injury.
Wow, you caught me off guard. I have a power station and I use my jointer on it. Hmmm never had a problems with it but I only take off a small amount with each pass. Now I'm going to go back and re-read my instruction book. I got the power station so I wouldn't have to life the jointer on and off of my Mark 7. Perhaps I should rethink this? I love the way you make me re-think things. Keep up the good work.
Anne, as long as you’re comfortable taking light passes and feeding the stock slowly, it shouldn’t give you any problems. I’m just used to using full size, powerful jointers, and find that accommodation for the low speed is just annoying!
As always educational. If it's nice to finally hear put into words one of the drawbacks of leaving the unit on high speed between cuts.
I really appreciate seeing getting a better understanding of what it will and won’t do. Thanks for another great video!
Glad you liked it. Scott
Turning on at saw speed no issue on a dedicated 20 amp. circuit. And it was reborn as the Mark 4!
Same. It sure pays to have a well-wired shop.
Great video. I'm happy with my two Power Stands. I have the Bandsaw on one and the Jointer on the other. Both work great.
Scott as you know I am nearly fanatic about my SS and constantly defend, promote and at times educate my wood working friends about the tools. However this machine never made any sense to me. The least Shop Smithy tool they ever made. IMHO. looking forward to the mid week Q&A! As always great content I learn something every time
Great video, Scott! After watching Tom's video some time ago, I got the idea that the motor could be "reversible" on my own Power Station with only a switch addition, so I bought (from Amazon) a pre-wired DPDT toggle switch for that purpose. Why reverse it, you ask? My thinking was that I could set up the strip sander on the PS with the lathe tool grinding jig on it, a setup which needs to be run in reverse, while the Mark 7/Mark 5 is set up for lathe turning. Soooo...I did it, it didn't take much time, and it works great. The switch from Amazon got mounted it to a home-made bracket on the top frame facing sideways to avoid accidental switching. So, for me, reversing the PS motor was workable, easy to do, and served the purpose I had intended.
Great point, Patrick, and probably the best use of the reverse on the Crafter’s Station I’ve heard yet. Thanks for sharing. Scott
A great video which answered my question(s) regarding the Crafters Station. I have a power station that I purchased a number of years ago. I have been maintaining according to the manual. But I really look forward to your tips and tricks for maintaining it. Thanks again for touching on the various subjects that are always timely for me!!!
I’m glad your needs and my interests coincide!
Such a Great Video. This helped me decide my next purchase
Thanks for the great information Scott. I don't own one of those, but now have a better idea how they work.
They Really never were intended to be an alternate to the Mark V. But for the lighter duty work its nice to have one versatile compact machine.
That’s true. I think that mush like Sears overselling the capabilities of a radial arm saw, some at Shopsmith oversold the Crafters Station.
When you do the deep dive, I'd love to see a breakdown of setting proper tension on the drive couplers. My couplers have the little spring in one end and I've always wondered how much the spring should be compressed. I recently had the spring begin to shove the lower drive shaft out the other side of my band saw, bending the retaining clip in the process.
Ok will do
When the power stand first came out I bought one and I use it al the time... I use it mostly with the bandsaw and ready.... my jointer. I have a very small shop footprint and I didn't want to buy 6" or 8 " jointer that would take up a lot of room in my shop... the power stand with the jointer has done a very good job so far... even with a reduced RPM???
You can achieve the exact same number of cuts per inch with the cutter head running slower just as long as you feed slowly. This might be one of those “How ya gonna keep them down on the farm after they’ve seen Paris” sort of things.
Yep, Shopsmith realized and created the ability to run the jointer simultaneously with the tablesaw back in the 10er days. Best to use a 3/4 or higher HP motor for that on those machines.
That’s an excellent observation. do you have a 10er with a jointer attachment? Scott
Interesting, I didn't even know Shopsmith was even still in business. I remember they used to advertise on tv back in the 1970s. And there were ads for them in all of the science and shop magazines.
Yes, they are still chugging along, though they aren’t what they once were. They used to have 50 retails stores scattered around the US and one in Canada and in the UK, but those are long gone. Even so, there’s a loyal base of users out there that need parts and accessories, so they have enough business to keep going. Thanks for dropping in. Scott
I purchased one of the early power stations to power my bandsaw and belt sander, and to free up my shopsmith to home the jointer, like that guy on my favourite youtube channel.
I have even been lucky enough, especially in the Canadian market place to find a few more. So I now have all my SPTs set up as freestanding tools on power stations.
An observation and Comment on the crafterstation. I often thought it would be nice to have a CS for simple cuts on a flat table. I even thought about converting one of my PS to run in reverse like Tom did. But i have taken Tom's advice. However, Could a CS or PS not be used from the "back side" to cut dado grooves. Aside from not being able to use the saw guard, but it could be set up for non through cuts and controlled from the PS control side. One Would need to mount the blade to run in reverse on the arbour. But the fence and miter gage should function normally from the back side of the SS table. The cutting edge of the blade would just be closer to the feed side of the table.
I know not necessarily a safe setup but for none through cuts Maybe?
This comment is way off topic, but it would be great to see a video on using the shaper / shaper fence capabilities of the Shopsmith - Thanks
Yes, it’s on the list.
I look Forward to the Maintenance of the Power station. I have one that i need to do a full Maintenance on because i purchased it used with a Cast Iron Band Saw for $100 several years Back and Need to do Maintenance on the bandsaw as well :( not enough hours in the day :)
I know the feeling.
Scott- I am buying a second shopsmith 510. I plan on cutting down to a shorty. Can you tell me the correct length for the reduced length of the tubes? Sorry to bother you buddy.
Safetyman @ Barringer
No bother at all. There’s really no correct length and it really depend on your desired length. What is important is that you remove the same length from all four tubes and don’t get them mixed up.
Thanks Scott!!!
I would add that the crafters station is just as it’s name implies, for folks that want a small machine for sawing, scroll saw and maybe bandsaw chores. I bought one just to look at! Lol ps it came with 5 table saw inserts.
That’s sort of what I use mine for too!
great video as always. I think I will look for a Mark V and cut it down and put it a wood cabinet stand if I want a third stand. And yes it does seem an irony that we want separate tools and the purpose of the SS was a single tool. That being said, I'm almost 70 and don't want to get hurt lifting my SPT tools and would like to keep wood working till I can't see any more!!! In addition, each SPT needs a place to store it, why not have a motor on the place to store it? In addition, when I got started with my SS it didn't even have room for all so SPT but them Mark V gave me a lot of options. Now, I love the machines, why should I sell them and buy separate machines. It would be a maintenance learning curve again, and show me where I can buy parts for a 10 year old machine that is not made in the USA?
Naaa, if it isn't broke, why break it. Just modify the space now that I can and keep on trucking.
Besides that, where can I find a great youtube channel for maintaining my Makita or DeWalt?
Very good point, Dave!
Interesting video on some shop smith history. I have just aquired from a buddy of mine he’s wife’s fathers shop smith Bryco Router Arm with pin table. Pretty neat machine. I have three shop smiths and it seems they find me lol. Do you have any videos on this piece of equipment in use or a link to a comprehensive video by others. It came with a porter cable with1/2 collet capacity. Router purrs nicely and all mechanisms work. Thank you.l
Hey John. No, though so own a Shopsmith Router System, which is the name that the router arm eventually evolved into, I have yet to do a video on it. I guess that needs to be done! Scott
@@MyGrowthRings thanks Scott. I’ve seen router system on shop smith and some very skilled adaptions a that have placed router on plat forms while giving them more flat surface for table saw. All are good. I continued to search pin routers and saw many by other names and models and I have the information i need. The unit is really simple well thought out. I only wanted for the 1/2 in capacity router but after researching I’m all in to bring it complete back and make it a staple in my shop. Re build the original table and make a cabinet I saw went with it originally while researching. I also just acquired a 1970 craftsman wood lathe one owner in amazing shape . They also had a craftsman 6x48 sander with 9 in disc also in excellent shape. Both are built to last. Don’t hate me but I think I will sell or trade all three shop smiths for a decent band saw. Witch is what I mostly use smith for. It can’t touch a dedicated table saw that I have the room for. But not 3 smiths 😄in all shades of disrepair. I have 50$ wrapped up in all three it you can believe it. Thank you for reply and will gladly watch a video from you on shop smith router. Yours are the most complete and in-depth that are actually current. Your experience is top notch.
I would love to own a shop smith but the sizes/capacity of the surface planer, jointer and band saw makes it a no go. Seems like something that could be reminded with a stronger motor.
Maybe some day.
There’s always a limit. The SS planer will handle a beam that’s 4”x12”, so I never had an issue with that limitation, but an 8” jointer sure should be nice.
@@MyGrowthRings I tease a lot of board between 6” and 12”. Don’t think the SS has capabilities for that. 🥺
@@PistonHonda87 Not the jointer.
Cheap shot - dang, the audio suffered in this video. Too much gain.
Ok, now to a productive comment. Thanks for being so thorough with the explanation with this. One benefit for using the Crafter’s station as a table saw is that it could be run in reverse to cut acrylic or polycarbonate sheets. One problem then would be if the saw arbor decided to unwind itself.
I agree, it was really bad. One of these days when I’m over my trauma I’ll explain all the issues I had with the editing and recording of the audio! suffice it to say, it should get better.
You could mount the blade in the reverse direction and accomplish the same thing.
@@dwightl5863 true. I wanted to leave a somewhat constructive comment along with the cheap shot.
Plenty of room under that machine for a 3 phase motor and VDF. It would be a beast with a 3 hp. remove the manual speed control and go direct drive and use the VFD and they are reversible motors. Was that your Idea.
I am hoping to upgrade one of my mark -v's this fall. but instead of a vfd I I think I am going to use a large 48 volt 3000 watt DC motor and power supply. 3-4K 48 volt power supplies are sold all over Ebay used for 100 to 150 bucks. They use them in communications and they are abundant used. They run on 110 or 220- and have half power on 110. 3000 watt brushless 48 volt motors put out 3.62 HP and you can get them with a speed controller for about 200 bucks. They are a heck a lot smaller motors than a 3 phase motor. One of the beautiful things is you can get them with a electric brake in the speed controlled that will stop and lock the motor alost instant. Huge red E-stop is possible. I watched a video that put a small 600 watt motor on a benchtop milling machine. and the brake was a feather I liked. the motor I was looking at turns at almost 6000 rpm down to 10. Almost 4 hp you have plenty of room to step the speed up with a belt and get 10,000 for a shaper. 4000 watt brushless puts out 4.83 hp. both the 3k and the 4k watt motors are smaller in physical size than the 1 1/8 motor in them now. The power supply would have to mount under the way tubes. But think about it if you want you could get a lithium battery and have it cordless too. Look at dewalt they are using brushless DC motors in table saws and chop saws.
Powerplant are the mark 7 interchangeable with Mark 5 Powerplant
Yes, the PowerPro headstock is interchangeable with any Mark V going back to 1954 and it will even fit the Mark 2 and 1960's Mark VII machines as well.
Hi. I ran across a Shopsmith stand along router table with router for sale. It looks pretty useful, works overhead and under. Might I ask what are your thoughts on that system compared to routing with your shopsmith itself. Model 515702. Thank you for your videos!
That system is VASTLY superior to routing with the Mark V. If it’s priced right, I would grab it.
@@MyGrowthRingsThanks!
All great information, but doesn't it defeat the perpise of having an all in one wood working system if you have all the SPTs as stand alone units?
No one is saying you have use a power station. It is an option.
@@dwightl5863 LoL sorry was just pointing out some irony
It is ironic. SS was always trying to expand their reach.
Do either of these devices have the same motor as a mark v? Would a mark v motor work? When we upgraded my mark v we removed the old motor, could either be repowered with that motor with some adaptations? That crafters station looks slick, no one on eBay has it, are they hard to find today?
No, the motor in these is a 1/2hp while the Mark V is either 3/4hp or 1 1/8hp and they are built totally differently.
And yes, they are rare and hard to find.
I have found that for the price of a power station. I can purchase a used 510 with extras.
Crazy, isn't it?
OK, I'll bite, looking at the ShopSmith website under products and Power Station, it only shows Special Purpose Tool Power stands, not like your Power Station in this video. Are they not available anymore?
Nope, they were discontinued a few years back.
What would happen if you just put the blade on backwards?
The nut would come loose and the blade would go rolling across the floor. Now, if Shopsmith wanted to they could make a different arbor for that application, but then other problems become apparent. The table isn’t made to tilt to the left and there is a tie bar between the posts on the headstock side that would get in the way of any blade or guard.
I recently bought the "Power Stand" from SS. You find it under the "Power Station" section, which is a bit misleading. It is unfortunately a faint shadow of the Power Station you demo in this video (which by the way is excellent). Assembly was difficult, as was adjustment of belt, speed is for all practical purposes fixed, and for that reason is really good only for one tool. I use it for the bandsaw, which works fine. I dont understand why SS would sell such an inferior version when the design you demo'd is clearly better.
I haven’t had a chance to use the new stand, but it looks very close to once they sold for years, and I agree, I would prefer the Power Station.
Since lots of Shopsmith models can me mixed and match nearly 100% is there a way to get the best of both worlds with these?
I’m of the opinion that the Power Station is where the valise is, so a Crafter’s Station that is used for powering SPT’s is about all you’d need.
Howdy MGR, catching up on some older videos while suffering fro some insomnia. Doesn't the power station make the case against the ShopSmith, meaning that stand alone tools are inherently better.
How so?
Really seems like better off getting a second hand mrk v and cutthing shorter into a deputy!
Yep. I agree.
Scott just switch the blade flip it over once you flip it over it’ll cut the opposite direction
True, but then the arbor nut will come lose.
I must be missing something. Could you not just turn the circular saw blade around on the arbour? I guess the switch would be on the wrong side but otherwise it would work.
If you flipped the blade around, you would also have to flip the table around, but the opening for the sawblade on the table wouldn't line up with the arbor.
Also, the lower blade guard only goes on one way since it attaches to the arbor
I like the way you think, Jonathan. A couple problems that you would encounter doing that: 1.) you would have to change the way the arbor nut is threaded on, to prevent it from coming loose. 2.) you would have to redesign the table support, because it is only designed to tilt towards the right. Additionally, there is a tie bar on the right hand side of the post that would interfere with your guard and blade. Obviously I’ve given that a lot of thought to! It sure seems like the most straightforward way to approach it, but Shopsmith discovered that there were too many hiccups approaching it that way. Scott
Will I be able to fit a mark 7 PowerPoint onto a mark 5 shop Smith
Yes, they are totally interchangeable. I even retrofitted a PowerPro motor into a 1954 Mark V and it all went smoothly.
Thank you for the response in South Africa the shop smith's products is not that available and to top at AL the exchange rates is killing us. I recently got hold of
mark 5 with no motor and some of pulleys no I seen a mark 7 that's for sale but in bad state but the headstock powerplant is looking to be AL their so thank you again for your response, merry Christmas and happy new year for you and the family
@@gerritburger4249 That must be tough finding these tools in what Shopsmith considered secondary markets. Do you have something like eBay or Craigslist there?
Yes we got not reliable but some times your lucky, like I said the exchange rate is killing us but thanks I enjoy all the information on Growth Rings keep it up.
@@gerritburger4249 Thanks for the encouragement, and it’s good to know you are out there. Scott