The Dead Sea Scrolls: What Are They? w/ Dr. John Bergsma
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- This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Dr. John Bergsma. Watch the full livestream here: • The Biblical Basis for...
In this clip, Dr. Bergsma explains the reasons (and the people who were instrumental in) why Catholics are now reading the Bible.
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Can we just stop for a moment and acknowledge the awesomeness of the name “Dead Sea Scrolls”? Just the sound of that feels legendary!
As a Protestant, I was puzzled by the inference that Protestants don’t see the sacrificial language in the account of the Last Supper. Always seemed pretty obvious to me and I’ve never heard it argued against by Protestants.
exactly. i was too. Aquinas might do well to understand protestants a bit better with all his catholic bluster sometimes
@@nozrep Yeah you’re right, but all in all it’s a pretty good site though.
Are you both high church Protestants i.e. Lutheran or Anglican? Because that would make sense that you'd be confused by the reference.
Because I have had HUNDREDS of low church Protestants i.e. Evangelicals take deep umbrage with the Last Supper as a sacrifice. Mostly because if you do, it's very much impossible-imo- to deny the real presence in the Eucharist (which Anglicans universally still believed 8n until the 1970s but there has been a split on that) Lutherans have always been a little more on the "it's a representation" side of it.
I would invite you to checkout videos about the Eucharist by Catholics. You will see comments from Protestants angry about it being a sacrifice. There are Chick tracts with that. It was on of John McArthur's arguments for Catholics being demons or some wild thing.
So I guess view it with that lens.
I did not know of the origins of the dead sea scrolls, thanks for the insightful conversations!
Voluminous volumes
That phrase sounds super epic.
@@zadkielgarcia1103 redundancy makes everything epic
When he explained how the Jewish monks had a sacred meal of wine and bread in anticipation of the Messiah, I literally said out loud, "Whattttt?!"
Love it! Thanks for the angle.
Fascinating! Ty
Thank you.
Thanks Dr. Bergsma, it's so good to be able to listen to someone so educated who can explain things so simply for the average listener / reader. Loved your book Bible Basics for Catholics and thoroughly enjoyed your series of talks on the Psalms.
This dude sounds like TJ Miller lol. Great video!
You mean Erlich Bachman
Proud being catholic, the church that God Himself founded.🙏🏻❤️
Hey Matt! Absolutely love your videos and these discussions! Praise God!
I had questions regarding the gnostic books and gospels such as the book of Judas. Some pretty controversial stuff in there. It would be great to know the Catholic perspective on that and a deeper understanding of why these books were not included in the Bible.
To anybody reading this comment: If you do know good resources on TH-cam on this topic, plz drop in a link 😊 God bless you!
I don't have a video but what I've learned in my masters classes is that:
these books are not Orthodox: they contradict other writings of the time
were not written by an apostle or disciple: they were generally written by 100-300ad: Johns revelation at latest is dated around 90ad and was a direct disciple
thus, even early on, they were determined not be Holy scripture, nor are they are of the cannon of scripture.
thats all i got 😅 hope it helps somehow
peace!
@@Nfsmw123M Thanks ! The fact that they are dated to a later date is a strong point.
@@dmj1602 I would recommend the book "The Case for Jesus: The Biblical and Historical Evidence for Christ" by Brant Pitre. He has a pretty good section regarding your question there.
@@markdejesus448 Thanks! Will check it out!
As a protestant I don't see any disagreement on the sacrificial language or the priesthood of Jesus. He is the Lamb of God, the scape goat in the day of atonement. This is not something that protestant and Catholic theology disagree on and if they do they are not teaching the gospel. Jesus was and still is king, prophet, and priest. The Trinity is still three yet one. It's not something we disagree on. We do disagree on celibate priesthood, praying to Mary and the saints, And in most protestant denominations transubstantiation. However I think of transubstantiation as something that we can have grace too the lesser brother about whoever is right and the same for the celibate priesthood. I'm not sure about the prayers to Mary or the saints I still think that it often leads to idolatry and I think in the past was used to bring pagan practice into the church. I also disagree on the legitimacy of Roman supremacy and church hierarchy. And though we disagree on this stuff Im unwilling to say who will be saved because that is not my place. And I think of Roman Catholics as brothers in a shared faith and view us as part of the same universal Church by the grace of God and yes I know Catholic means universal. I look forward to the time when we can stand together and sing holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty who was and is and is to come.
I actually bought Penguin Classics' translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but I haven't started reading yet.
Where can I get a good transcript and translation. Does anyone know?
Yes...yes, true, but Jesus couldn't be a priest under Jewish law because he was not from the tribe of Levi, so if he had been acting as a priest, he would be breaking the law. However, he is a priest in the order of Melchizedek, who was a KING priest. That's the importance of that. Hebrews talks of this as well as the Psalms. Jesus is a king priest...not just a priest in the way the Jewish thought of priests or the way that Catholics think of priests today. And if Jesus is our king, he is also our high priest and the only priest we need to look to because he is the Great High Priest and our intercessor. The veil was torn that separated Jews from the Holy of Holies. We can now go directly to the Holy of Holies and confess directly to him. Jesus fulfilled all the laws and covenants of the Old Testament and didn't do so to create a new system of rites and sacraments and obligations that must be fulfilled. He wrote the new covenant on our hearts, and Immanuel means God with us and the Holy Spirit dwells within man's heart. The tabernacle inner sanctum was covered by skins. That was abolished. Now, the new dwelling place of God himself is also surrounded by skin in the form of those who believe in him. Paul talked extensively about not exchanging one system of laws for another. The law does not redeem or sanctify or cleanse. NO LAW CAN. Jesus died to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. It's his blood and holiness that cover us. Not our religious acts.
Amen! 🙏🏾
Why are you preaching? Why would we reject the traditions and faith practiced by and given to us by the apostles in favor of Luther?
@@danieladkins5242 Traditions? Really? You're wondering about rejecting traditions? Traditions don't redeem. They don't save. They don't justify. Following rites and rituals can't bring righteousness. Too often, traditions are taught as necessary for entrance into eternity with Christ. The Jews believed this. Paul pointed this out, numerous times. Abraham was not saved by any Jewish tradition or law, not by observing the passover (since it didn't exist yet). Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as Righteousness. If anything else is preached but belief in Jesus's death and resurrection as sufficient, then it is a hallow message and misleading and binding. A new law. Another form of the Ten Commandments. The apostles' faith is the belief in Jesus. Faith means trusting in his work. Not our own. Not our ability to follow traditions or observe religious holidays, perform rites, pray the rosary, go to confession, attend mass every Sunday...nothing we can do can earn righteousness. That's the key. That's what gets lost. "Be Holy as I am Holy." That's the command. How can we achieve that by following tradition? What can you do to make yourself righteous. You need your past and future cleansed. That's the purpose of Jesus's death. He is our righteous. His blood covers us. Jesus preached this over and over. And so did the apostles. It was the ones who came after who began adding a bunch of other stuff. So much of Jesus's ministry centered on rebuking the religion authority for adding to the law. And now, the religious authority today has done the same thing.
Again with the long winded preaching ? You can reject Tradition and baptism or think you know better than the numerous saints such as Thomas Aquinas if you want. Your stance is unbiblical. And if all we need is Jesus, then why are you preaching to the quire?
Can someone please, please, further explain the word remembrance as it was seen in Hebrew cult worship, as the guest states?? Or point me to a source I can see this. Thank you
I would suggest the book THE JEWISH ROOTS OF THE EUCHARIST by Brant Pitre, Catholic scholar. Dr Pitre specializes in the Jewish Roots of all Catholic understanding of subjects. He has youtube videos as well produced by Catholic Productions. Thorough, easy to understand.
@@trudyfriedrich7416
Much appreciated
@@matthewclark2941
My pleasure !!
I just googled.....jewish roots of the eucharist youtube videos.... found Brants videos....they are first in line.....found one subtitled "4th cup". It's just over an hour long. About 15 minutes in, it explains exactly what you are looking for. I love his work. Thanks for encouraging me to listen again.
God bless
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It is always rather inconvenient when archeological evidence is inevitably found that challenges the secular view of history.
Also, I will say the position of the Protestant, I am one, is that Jesus took the role of our priest, forever. That's why we don't believe it is right or necessary to have a pope, or to confess our sins to a man, because Jesus is our high priest. Seeing as he is still very much alive I dont know why we would need to replace him. Just offering that viewpoint.
"Is any one among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects."
St. James 5: 14-16
You gotta have Dr. Bergsma back on. He's fantastic.
He had Dr. Bergsma on again recently :)
Little did the Essenes know, Jesus _became_ the meal
Wow
wow wooww whyy our parishh priestss doenst explain this Church tresures to us. SO INTERESTING FINDING THAT THE OLD TESTAMENT IS SO MUCH CONNECTED TO THE NEW . in other words the whole ancient testament wwas nothing more a big preparation for the COMING OF CHRIST . SHOWING US THAT JESUS THE ETERNAL GOD PREPARED HIS ROAD - THE ONLY TRUE ROAD - LONG BEFORE THE APOSTLE .
Yep. Thats why in mass we have the reading from the ot then a reading from the nt.
The Dead Sea Scrolls do not support the priesthood , only the priesthood of Christ. Every believer is a priest (1 Peter 2:9) and Jesus is our High Priest (Hebrews 4;14-16) . We pray to, and commune with our Heavenly Father directly through Christ only (John 14:6). Therefore we no longer need any other priest or saint. They can’t help us.
@@MMC9583 yes, of course there is intercessory prayer, but in scripture dead people never pray for the living or vice versa, and all believers are priests (1 Peter 2:4-5) and Christ is our high priest so we can pray to God directly (Hebrews 4:14-16). We intercede for each other just like in the verses you cited, and the Holy Spirit intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27). Thank the Lord.
Bergsma ftw
never heard anyone, ever in my life, pronounce the word ‘Messiah’, with “z” sounds instead of a regular “s” sound. Like… why Dr. Bergsma? Whyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!😅
The way he says "Messiah" is strange.
deadsea scroll have no NT in it.. i don't see does it have anything to do with Christiaity .
Because the DSS were written while Jesus was still with us. The events of the NT or the Gospel, which means "good news", had not yet come to pass. However, the DSS contains the OT and religious writings pertaining to the coming Messiah. Both have everything to do with Christianity.
Get on the podcast shinji
So can someone help me out. I just want to know if music that speaks about drugs or sex is a sin to listen to? Like at times when I go to restaurants, I live in New York so they’re always playing inappropriate music. Is it a sin to listen to if it plays on the radio or in a restaurant? Or is it just their story. Is it a sin to want to dance or choreograph to music like this if I like the beat? Or should I stay away from it. Asking genuinely. Thank you in advance!
Secular Music in general is not a sin. Although the lyrics may lead you to sin or rather open doors for sin to enter into you life....
I have a lot to share about the same... Including my own experiences.... For example - I try not to use the F word and by the grace of God I barely use it... However I listen to a podcast where the guy keeps cussing every now and then and that kinda affected me too.... Yesterday I got some stuff which made me angry and I was ranting about it to my friend, while ranting about it I used the F word without my knowledge..... I genuinely felt bad..... I even confessed the same to a priest today....
So you get it right??
Also, a friend of mine shared her testimony - when she gave up listening to secular music she was delivered from the sin of anger.....
So yeahhh
Hope this helps.....
Feel free to hmu if you wanna talk about it...
God bless :)
Ask your Guardian Angel to prompt you. Keep custody of your senses, especially if you have a strange gut feeling to avoid it, then I would. I really believe that our Guardian Angel is able to give us 'gut feelings' that help us... and give us things to think about. Pray about it. Pray a Rosary. ... always remember this: Demons only have access to our imagination and our passions. They can't touch our Willpower or Intellect ... God gave us free will and a brain... so that we hopefully make good choices through right associations and co-operations! God Love You! Hope that helps. JMJ
@@TheGoodkarm I love so much that you mentioned my guardian Angel as I actually have a devotion to my guardian Angel 😂 I felt compelled to post a comment about it after I prayed and it also led me to some videos on why we’ll be praying to God and going to church and right after hop on the car and turn on the radio and a song like : I kissed a girl and I liked it “ comes on and we start singing it. I was just asking cause it’s really hard that I’m a dancer living in New York and now everything is about sex and so vulgar. It’s so hard at times when I like the beat but the lyrics are horrible. I’m learning to stay away but it’s hard at times but Thank you so much! I’m glad to say I know the gut feelings you speak about 😂 God bless you!
@@karinagbarros6301 I learned so much considering the lectures of Father Chad Ripperger... who is a Catholic Exorcist Priest. ... Spiritual Warfare is at work in our lives... and music can be very alluring. I know, I'm a kid who grew up on MTV, Much Music videos, and chased live music concerts all my life. Music totally consumed me... ... as well as drugs and alcohol... it all went together for me. "Party Hardy" But the more I partied... and danced to the hypnotic type dumb drum music... the farther I felt from God... and the emptier I became. It was a never ending loop... and I have a drawer full of old ticket stubs that actually don't mean a thing at the end of my day. :) I found something really really beautiful. The Latin Rite Catholic Mass. Oh my goodness! The more I attend Mass and stay close to the sacraments... especially confession and absolution... the more I am refreshed, and feel renewed... and am able to sense more clearly, what keeps me close to God, as opposed to what leads me away. Secular music is definitely something I choose to be aware of... it's effects are palpable. I'm 49 now... ...facing the reality of getting older... but most hopefully growing wiser... because then it's all worth it! ~~~> Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom God's love commits me here... ever this day(night) be at my side; to light and guard, to rule and guide!!! Thanks for the feedback Karina. My name is Karmel. Don't give up on dancing for the right reasons and right times. I believe there IS a lot of beautiful music to be choreographed and danced ... respectfully. :) God Love You, and keep you!!
Why don’t protestants get educated?
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haha alot of people believe sola scripture but they dont understand the bible and thats why we have the true knowledge passed down thru our catholic church
Weren’t there copies of the Deuterocanonical Books of the OT in this collection?
Yes
Some have said the Deuterocanon was never written in Hebrew but the DSS has proven that to be false as at least 3 so far (Baruch, Sirach, and Tobit of the Deuterocanon), have been found within the DSS written in Hebrew; using the word "recension" against them is a continual knee-jerk reaction to the Deuterocanon being written in Hebrew and a moving of the goal posts.
Good ol' Romans wiping the Barbarians off the face of the planet
Second!
Interesting!
'According to the great Isaiah scroll from Qumran, Isaiah told king Ahaz to ask for a sign from the Mother of the LORD your God (Isaiah 7.11), and he gave the prophecy of the Virgin who would bear a son. The Masoretic Hebrew interpretation however has ‘Ask a sign from the LORD your God’ - no mention of Mother. This difference requires changing one letter into another that is very similar.
According to the great Isaiah scroll from Qumran, the mysterious servant of the LORD was an "anointed man", but the Masoretic Hebrew has a "disfigured man" (Isa.52.14). This difference requires removing, or adding, one letter to the end of the word. The Christians understood the word as ‘anointed’ and said this was a prophecy of Jesus, but the Masoretic text excludes this understanding. The Targum of Isaiah, which is the Aramaic translation made by a Jew, did have a text that said ‘anointed’. So too the texts of Deuteronomy 32.8 and 32.43 are different in the Qumran and Masoretic forms, and in each case, the Masoretic text excludes the Christian interpretation of the verse.'
( from Margaret Barker essay)
And what about the Septuagint? It is common knowledge that the Masoretics were tampered with and corrupted
The wife of the king in Israel
wasn't known as the Queen but rather the king's mother was. Jesus is King and Mother Mary is Queen.
1.) David's prime minister was known as he who had the power to bind and loose and had the keys to the kingdom. When Jesus Christ told St. Peter he was conferring to him the keys, he was making him His Prime Minister, his Vicar, and giving him the keys to the kingdom (Matt. 16:19).
2.) While a virgin, Eve listened to and believed the fallen angel (Gen. 3:1; Rev. 20:2) whereas while a virgin, ever-virgin Mother Mary listened to and believed the archangel sent from God (Luke 1:26-45).
3.) 12 tribes were in the Old Testament (Gen. 35, Deut. 33 and elsewhere) and 12 apostles in the New Testament (Matthew 10, 19:28, Mark 3, and Luke 6).
4.) The Old Testament Ark contained Manna, the word on 2 stone tablets, and Aaron, the High Priest's Rod (Hebrews 9:4, Exodus 16:33-34, 1 Kings 8:9).
5.) Mother Mary is the New Testament Ark and carried within her the Word made Flesh, the Manna from Heaven, and our High Priest, Jesus Christ (John 1:14, 6:51, Heb. 4:14-16).
6.) 2 Sam. 6:9 and Luke 1:43: David and Elizabeth were both filled with awe. David wondered how the Ark could come to him and so did Elizabeth.
7.) 2 Samuel 6:1; Luke 1:56: the Old Testament Ark of the Covenant was with Obed-Edom for 3 months and the New Ark, Mother Mary, was with Elizabeth for 3 months.
8.) 2 Sam. 6:11; 1 Kings 8:9-11 compared with Luke 1:56; 2:21-22.
St. Paul was correct when he said the Old gave way to the New and that the Old was a type:
1 Cor. 10: 1-6:
[1] For I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea. [2] And all in Moses were baptized, in the cloud, and in the sea: [3] And did all eat the same spiritual food, [4] And all drank the same spiritual drink; (and they drank of the spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ... [6] Now these things were done in a figure of us.
9.) Inside the Davidic Tabernacle and temple there was ornamentation, gold, Cherubim statues on top of the Ark, artwork, palm tree motif, faces of lions, etc, per 2 Chr. 3. Inside Catholic churches there are statues and/or icons, artwork, gold, etc.
10.) The Davidic Tabernacle had priests, the sacrifice of flesh and blood, and rolling back of sins. The church has priests, the Eucharist, and absolvence of sins per confession of them per 1 John 1:8-10 in accordance with John 20:23.
Even the Talmud/Mishnah (good for historical place markers but not much else) states that the Masoretic Text/MT (a medieval text used by the KJV, NIV, NASB, etc) was corrupted as the Talmud/Mishnah described *conflicting texts, contradictions, and multiple, competing rabbis intentionally altering scriptures ultimately corrupting it).
Exodus 1:5 in the Dead Sra Scrolls (DSS) agrees with the Septuagint against tthe MT that all the souls from Jacob were 75, not 70, thus agreeing with St. Stephen in Acts 7:14.
The Septuagint for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up by 3 DSS and the MT is known among scholars as botching 1 and 2 Samuel badly.
The MT actually left out an entire line from Psalm 145 that the DSS and the Septuagint preserved, thus the so-called masters of vowel memorization not only forgot vowels but also consonants.
Psalm 40:6(7): a messianic proof text for the Incarnation:
The MT: Thou hast dug out my ears.
The Septuagint: A body thou hast prepared me.
Concerning another messianic psalm, Psalm 22:16, the DSS agrees with the Septuagint against the MT.
Much, much more than this as well...
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in the dead sea scroll anyone can find the name of God Most High in hebrew YHWH in english JEHO VAH
Yahveh* and that’s it’s why is AleluYA and no AleluJE
@@lcronovt so Jesus is wrong?
@@lcronovt Yeshua is Jesus YHWH Jehovah, stop ignoring God of Jesus, you debate about his name and dont even believe he exist
@@martaguzman841YHWH Is Triune Father Son Holy Ghost
@@au8363 triune like the trino god, trimurfis from hindusim?
According to the trinity doctrine who sent Jesus and what is the name of the one who sent Jesus?
Jesus reading Isaias 61 about the one who sent him from heaven:
Luke 4:17 So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Jesus, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written:18 “Jehovah’s spirit is UPON ME, because HE.. ANOINTED ME.. to declare good news to the poor. HE.. SENT.. ME to proclaim liberty to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away free,
Isaiah 61:1
The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah ANOINTED ME to declare good news to the meek. HE SENT ME me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners
The more scrolls they find the more likely hood they will one day re write the bible.
@@briendoyle4680 Were they valid?
@@briendoyle4680, neither Constantine nor his "lackeys" had anything to do with what was put into or left out of the Bible.
The Masoretes attempted to rewrite the Tanakh but have been exposed by the Dead Sea Scrolls: The Tanakh, based upon the Masoretic Text (MT), is corrupted:
Even the Talmud/Mishnah states that the Masoretic Text (a medieval text(s) used by the KJV, NIV, NASB, etc) was corrupted as the Talmud/Mishnah described *conflicting texts, contradictions, and multiple, competing rabbis intentionally altering scriptures ultimately corrupting it).* Je ws also used the Septuagint (translated in the mid 3rd century BC) and far older than the MT which isn't original scripture and not a BC text.
Paleo Hebrew, used after Moses' time and used from the 12th to 6th century BC (around 2,000 years older than the MT), gave way to Square Hebrew (around 1,300 years older than the MT), which then eventually gave way to Greek, as evidenced by the Septuagint, which is around 1,000 years than the MT. The Septuagint predates Christianity, used when Greek became the lingua franca, and its use in synagogues by Jews around the Mediterranean was substantial.
Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint (LXX) within the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) preserve the originals, and overwhelmingly disagree with the MT in numerous instances; the Septuagint predates Christianity and scrolls from it are found within the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS).
1.) Exodus 1:5 in the DSS Square Hebrew agrees with the Septuagint against tthe MT that all the souls from Jacob were 75, not 70, thus agreeing with St. Stephen in Acts 7:14.
2.) The older DSS, the Samaritan Pentateuch, Aramaic Targums, etc, agree with the Septuagint against the MT for Deut. 32:8-9 in using sons/angels of God and not sons of Israel.
3.) The DSS for Deuteronomy 32:43 lines up with the Septuagint against the M saying the angels are to worship messiah.
4.) The Septuagint for 1 and 2 Samuel are backed up by 3 DSS and the MT is known among scholars as botching 1 and 2 Samuel badly.
5.) The MT wrongly (some evidence for #4) laughably has Saul becoming king at age one and ruling for two years.
6.) The MT actually left out an entire line from Psalm 145 that the DSS and the Septuagint preserved, thus the so-called masters of vowel memorization not only forgot vowels but also consonants.
7.) Psalm 40:6(7): a messianic proof text for the Incarnation:
The MT: Thou hast dug out my ears.
The Septuagint: A body thou hast prepared me.
8.) Concerning another messianic psalm, Psalm 22:16, the DSS agrees with the Septuagint against the MT.
9.) Baruch, Sirach, Tobit, and Psalm 151 are written in Hebrew in the DSS.
10.) ▪︎The chronology of Genesis 11 and the year of the flood of the Paleo Hebrew and the Septuagint line up against the MT. Shem is not Melchizedek:
▪︎Literary sources before 100 AD that agree with the LXX: 2 Esdras, Josephus and Philo (30/70 AD) did not use the Septuagint to come to their conclusion that lines up with the Septuagint.
▪︎Eupolemus, the Jewish 2nd century BC historian's chronology, comes close to aligning with the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and not the MT.
▪︎Jewish Demetrius the Chronicler's (3rd century BC) chronology comes very close to the Paleo Hebrew and Septuagint and against the MT.
*Justin Martyr said the scriptures in his time period were being altered.* See Jeremiah 8:8.
▪︎biblearchaeology.org/research/biblical-chronologies/4349-mt-sp-or-lxx-deciphering-a-chronological-and-textual-conundrum-in-genesis-5
Since synagogues around the Mediterranean used Septuagint and Square Hebrew, even in Palestine, Greek was the lingua franca, Jesus grew up near Sepphoris where Hebrew and Greek were both spoken and where Joseph could ply his trade, Christ quoted the scriptures, spoke to the Syrophoenician woman, and Mark/Luke were written to Romans/Greeks, some will be hard-pressed to prove Jesus used only Hebrew.
Outside Judea, close to 100% of the diaspora synagogue inscriptions are in Greek. In Judea, where the default language is Aramaic, 80% of synagogue inscriptions are Greek.
Some have said the Deuterocanon was never written in Hebrew but the DSS (Dead Sea Scrolls) proved that to be false as at least 3 so far (Baruch, Sirach, and Tobit of the Deuterocanon), have been found within the DSS written in Hebrew, and using the word "recension" against them is a continual knee-jerk reaction to the Deuterocanon being written in Hebrew and moving the goal posts.
Concerning key messianic scriptures, Catholics, Copts, Orthodox, and Protestants see that the leaven of the rabbis and then the Masoretes seemed to target scriptures that point to Jesus Christ. (Matthew 16:6).
The Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint all agree with each other against the MT far more than they disagree, thus the starting point is to sideline the MT.
There are dozens and dozens of instances where the Paleo Hebrew, Square Hebrew, and the Septuagint agree against the MT: By the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses let every word be established. Deut. 19:15; 2 Cor. 13:1.
Given that Septuagint scrolls were found with Paleo Hebrew and Square Hebrew scrolls in the DSS, one would again be hard-pressed to prove that Christians composed the Septuagint and, as well, the Torah was translated into Greek from 283-246 BC under Ptolemy II Philadelphus and the prophets and writings within the next 100 years.
Septuagint Chronicles is quoted by Eupolemos in the middle of the 2nd century BC, and Septuagint Job by Pseudo-Aristeas in the beginning of the 1st century BC. The translation of Isaiah contains allusions to historical situations and events that point to the years 170-150 BCE" (Textual Criticism of the Hebrew Bible, Emanuel Tov, p 131, 2012).* The Torah was translated into Greek from 283-246 BC under Ptolemy II Philadelphus and the prophets and writings for the Septuagint within the next 100 years. Thus the Septuagint was not created by Christianity but preceded it by centuries.
Septuagint fragments found at Qumran (Lev.), the Nahal Hever (Habbakuk, near Ein Gedi), dated 50 BC. There was almost exclusive use of Greek in all synagogue inscriptions everywhere in the world.
@@briendoyle4680 You: there *are no gods*
You once again made a declarative statement and thus once again the burden of proof is upon you to prove this.
Now you may say you can't prove a negative. If so, then be quiet because who wants to hear your ramblings anyway?
@@briendoyle4680 You: "*all fables*
Sweeping Generalization again on your part since you said "all" and you possibly couldn't have thoroughly investigated "all" from the dawn of time until now.
Secondly, once you said they are a fable, you made a declarative statement and thus have to prove your assertion.
Just stop. Just please stop embarrassing yourself. I and others here have thoroughly shown the sophmorishness of your arguments and your lack of logic.
JEWS HAS ONLY TO READ THE PROPHECY AND EVERY GOD MESSAGE TO RECOGNISE INSTANTLY THAT JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD MESSAYA
This guy does not seem to argue in good faith. You have a lot of really respectable people on, and the character of a guest in no way reflects upon your character. But this ain’t it.
Cultic nature
What is?
@@CedanyTheAlaskan Listen to Dr. Bergsma in the video