PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING: 1: Yes I'm aware my card wasn't fast enough to avoid pink frames. My Extreme PLUS I tried just now performed almost perfectly, but an Extreme Pro is ideal. 2: I still don't like this camera almost a year later. After using a BMPCC 4K for film classes, the EOS M feels even more clunky. But hey, $109 cinema camera still 3: My camera appears to be defective in some way, given the extremely strange issues I encountered that even well-meaning users weren't able replicate. 4: The camera still works and I still use it on shoots sometimes because sometimes there's just nothing better for the moment. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I hate it or would give up its upsides.
I love it. 2h testing -> 15min filming -> f*ck something wrong -> 10min fixing -> 15min filming. It's no point and shoot, but you learn a ton and you can customize everything you want.
Zeek doesn't make a build, he uses Dannes build. 1080p mode is solid on Magic Lantern. The pink frames suggest that your card wasn't writing fast enough. It also looks like there's something wrong with your camera. Learning curve is high on magic lantern but once you're up and running its pretty easy to get along with. It's definitely not a camera for those who want an instant auto mode experience. But those who stick with it learn a lot more about the whole film process.
The filmmaking process is setting up everything that you want in front of the camera. The reason so many filmmakers choose Arri for example is because it's an easy system to use, and it certainly never crashes randomly
@@titaniumshell strange. As far as I'm aware my card is faster than the interface is capable of anyways (95mb/s) I do need to properly test the new firmware though, because if it fixes the frame drop issues as well as it claims, that's huge. Only problem is that the D-pad completely broke so now I have to wait for a replacement part lol
@@titaniumshell yeah i got to testing the new firmware this weekend. same crap i swear... and the camera didnt want to work correctly again! its a warm summer day (not overly hot) and the camera just freezes and crashes constantly and literally wont perform the functions a camera should, which is taking photos. for some reason auto mode just DISAPPEARED from the dial as far as the camera was concerned, and took a battery removal to fix, but it never worked reliably. i got it to take photos sometimes, but i missed many shots because when i pressed the shutter button, often, nothing would happen. i should have brought a second sd card. also the pink frames are still an issue at 30fps... although not as egregiously. only highly detailed scenes make it choke now. this annoys me because to fix the "camera literally wont take photos" issue you have to use canons GUI, but you usually have to literally disable the GUI to get half decent performance which means a lot of fiddling and messing around with the camera while your subjects change or look at you like youre stupid. but the upside is that the video performance is consistent enough for me to actually use it on a regular basis when i need high dynamic range shots and such. oh well though, i guess it was cheap at least
@@EVRLYNMedia I find the new builds a little strange. They work for some and not for others. I have an older build (that works perfectly for me) backed up in case I run into issues. As far as photography goes, although I rarely use the eosm for anything other than video, I have a card without ml installed for photography, it's just easier to change the card in my experience and use the Canon firmware.
ML is free and open source. Developers don't get paid to work on it. So they are kind enough to point you to where you can find solutions to your problems to let you learn to solve them by yourself, which is also probably better than to answer your problems one by one, step by step. Besides, "Zeek's" build is from Danne instead of the offical ML team, and also it's heavily modified and undocumented so many people from the ML team are unfamiliar with it. A better place to get help is the EOS M users community. Anyway, your honest review and thorough summarization is probably the best EOS M review on TH-cam I've seen so far. Much better than those who avoid talking about the cons.😂 Liked and Subbed.👍🏻
I think that most people like to talk good about the camera because it's cheap and very old and on using Magic lantern it's does wonders , but the forget that the firmware is very glitchy and post production is very tiring that is why most of the video on TH-cam are of just few seconds or a minute , btw nice video mate it's helpful to newcomers.
I've done an entire short film with it and it's robust if you use the right settings. I seriously messed with it for a month and learned what to do and not to do. Once you find what works it's great. Start with 1080p, then 5k anamorphic. Download different builds, try them out.
Yes! I also made a whole short film with it, and it still offers the highest quality B cam footage period. It's capable but I still don't like it, that's all
@@EVRLYNMedia I'm right there with you. It's just a fun toy for me. I use my S1 and S5 for serious stuff, but for what it is I really like the look it produces. Will likely use it again.
Your video is very useful. People who have been using this camera with ML successfully (such as Zeek) sometimes make it seem like it's easy and straightforward to do so. That is DEFINITELY not the case. The software is buggy, the camera is always working on its limit, crashes and overheating are normal... It's a nightmare and it will test your patience to the point of giving up. I'd recommend, for most people, to stay away from it if they can afford a better camera (a blackmagic, for example). BUT, if you are resilient enough and willing to invest the necessary time to it, you'll eventually learn all the hiccups and build yourself a method that can become quite reliable, and it will finally pay off when you unlock the color richness and crisp details of 14bit RAW video!
Absolutely! I ended up liking my unit so much that I replaced the D-pad and now the camera is fully operational! The main downside is the giant video sizes, processing and unreliability, but it makes the filmmaking process feel so much more complete to have that much control over your video footage.
The real issue is that i have yet to see raw ML footage that does not have extremely weird peaky/clipped green and red tones. This is likely down to the raw processing application. Camera raw/lightroom is uniquely cloose to original camera image processing. This is important for raw to be useful. When you have an app that has no manufacturer input/colaboration you end up with extremely weird looking image quality. Please before jumping into magic lantern make sure you dont prefer the look of say a gh5s with prores. These cameras will work flawlessly for video have sync stabe auto focus and avtually probably 2nd best color science after canon.
I'm starting to agreeing with you. That's the buggiest sh*t ever. Zeek is the ML Whisperer! I'm beginning to think it would be cheaper to buy a more expensive camera.
Exactly. on a film set, time is money. Youd save hundreds of budget dollars getting something thats simply reliable, even if it won't have the best image quality.
Before assuming things about me and my camera, consider that I still use this camera all the time. I still fuckin hate it. It's the most unreliable camera I've ever owned but hey the video quality is good. Here's a demo reel I made recently. th-cam.com/video/S6LF_lBsJrY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kMMCDf-vwCwnDHbi
@@EVRLYNMedia I understand you completely, 18 months ago I tried ML and had the same problems (pink screen etc), and tried to sell eos M for 90 euros, but no one wanted it. And then in May, the Crop mood build came out! It is much more stable, 12bit at 4.2K works until the battery dies. So I was lucky that I didn't manage to sell the camera, now I'm super happy. Of course, the camera is not for professional work, but for enthusiasts who want something more, this is an excellent solution. Crop mood build also works on the Canon 700D, so if your problem is the eos M body with a few buttons, that's your solution.
I agree. I tested the EOS M years ago, and it was an hassle... We should create some "Don't buy the EOS M in 202x" videos. But nowadays you can't even buy a EOS M (sold out) and EOS M2 for cheap, so... let it go, let it go.
I've said abt this to my friend before covid.. is the video image quality great? yes... is it a hassle? do AF work great?.. I always recommend a6000 yeah no RAW there but the video image is good enough... if you are not going to be a movie cinematographer theres no need for Canon EOS M + ML
i dont dislike it per se. it just sort of disappoints me in terms of being a filmmaking tool. you notice i had plenty positive to say about it as well. there are things i like about it too
I still have my M but have been procrastinating trying crop mood. but i really need too because it sounds like it would solve a lot of my problems (30p capture, stability, battery life, higher resolutions)
@@EVRLYNMedia Yeah, like I totally sympathize with your points in this vid, but this build has made like 90% of these problems fade away. If anything the only major hurdle is using the right SD card. Smooth sailing when you have it though. Also, I find the MLV Raw for EOS M facebook group loads more helpful than the forum or discord.
Although I like your video, u may have a dud. I have 2 eos m's and never had any issues using magic lantern.. For $150 you just can't find a better camera if you want 10 bit.
There are plenty of example of how Eosm-M1 can create content which is better than most. I have made, recently, a demo, "music" video using this Magic Lantern using that M-1 version: th-cam.com/video/j4jxMXZf1EM/w-d-xo.html
Hella nice! I've used the EOS M in some newer videos actually, even making a short film only using it. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I don't think it's capable!
It's all about how you use it! The same still sucks in my view, but i regularly use it to shoot video because its simply the only camera I have that has a true "cinematic" look. I'm saving up for a real cinema camera though, and at that point i'll probably just sell the EOS M to a beginning filmmaker who needs it more than I do lol
Ah, I don't mean to be so pessimistic btw but it's just not a reliable filmmaking tool. It gets the job done, sure, but all of the issues I had lead up to a fairly disappointing overall experience
It's one of Sandisk's faster series... extreme, not pro. not like that matter though, because the video files themselves never exceed 100mb/s, the max that this card can reach
@@ramyabouhassan Yes. I have shot for hours using these cards with no problems. Even the high fps mode works fine so long as you bump the resolution down. 14 bit.
Ive certainly tried to. I've actually used it in some other videos l, including making a short film in a day with it, but I still simply don't like it.
PLEASE READ BEFORE COMMENTING:
1: Yes I'm aware my card wasn't fast enough to avoid pink frames. My Extreme PLUS I tried just now performed almost perfectly, but an Extreme Pro is ideal.
2: I still don't like this camera almost a year later. After using a BMPCC 4K for film classes, the EOS M feels even more clunky. But hey, $109 cinema camera still
3: My camera appears to be defective in some way, given the extremely strange issues I encountered that even well-meaning users weren't able replicate.
4: The camera still works and I still use it on shoots sometimes because sometimes there's just nothing better for the moment. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I hate it or would give up its upsides.
Auto like, pathetic
I love it.
2h testing -> 15min filming -> f*ck something wrong -> 10min fixing -> 15min filming.
It's no point and shoot, but you learn a ton and you can customize everything you want.
:D
Zeek doesn't make a build, he uses Dannes build. 1080p mode is solid on Magic Lantern. The pink frames suggest that your card wasn't writing fast enough. It also looks like there's something wrong with your camera. Learning curve is high on magic lantern but once you're up and running its pretty easy to get along with. It's definitely not a camera for those who want an instant auto mode experience. But those who stick with it learn a lot more about the whole film process.
The filmmaking process is setting up everything that you want in front of the camera. The reason so many filmmakers choose Arri for example is because it's an easy system to use, and it certainly never crashes randomly
@@EVRLYNMedia the only time I've had the eosm crash is when you move from dark too light quickly. It's an annoying bug but doesn't happen that often.
@@titaniumshell strange. As far as I'm aware my card is faster than the interface is capable of anyways (95mb/s)
I do need to properly test the new firmware though, because if it fixes the frame drop issues as well as it claims, that's huge. Only problem is that the D-pad completely broke so now I have to wait for a replacement part lol
@@titaniumshell yeah i got to testing the new firmware this weekend. same crap i swear... and the camera didnt want to work correctly again! its a warm summer day (not overly hot) and the camera just freezes and crashes constantly and literally wont perform the functions a camera should, which is taking photos. for some reason auto mode just DISAPPEARED from the dial as far as the camera was concerned, and took a battery removal to fix, but it never worked reliably. i got it to take photos sometimes, but i missed many shots because when i pressed the shutter button, often, nothing would happen. i should have brought a second sd card. also the pink frames are still an issue at 30fps... although not as egregiously. only highly detailed scenes make it choke now. this annoys me because to fix the "camera literally wont take photos" issue you have to use canons GUI, but you usually have to literally disable the GUI to get half decent performance which means a lot of fiddling and messing around with the camera while your subjects change or look at you like youre stupid. but the upside is that the video performance is consistent enough for me to actually use it on a regular basis when i need high dynamic range shots and such. oh well though, i guess it was cheap at least
@@EVRLYNMedia I find the new builds a little strange. They work for some and not for others. I have an older build (that works perfectly for me) backed up in case I run into issues. As far as photography goes, although I rarely use the eosm for anything other than video, I have a card without ml installed for photography, it's just easier to change the card in my experience and use the Canon firmware.
It forces you to film like a pro, and that's the annoying beauty of it.
ML is free and open source. Developers don't get paid to work on it. So they are kind enough to point you to where you can find solutions to your problems to let you learn to solve them by yourself, which is also probably better than to answer your problems one by one, step by step. Besides, "Zeek's" build is from Danne instead of the offical ML team, and also it's heavily modified and undocumented so many people from the ML team are unfamiliar with it. A better place to get help is the EOS M users community.
Anyway, your honest review and thorough summarization is probably the best EOS M review on TH-cam I've seen so far. Much better than those who avoid talking about the cons.😂 Liked and Subbed.👍🏻
Yeah I should have mentioned that it's completely free and community driven. But being FOSS doesn't magically make it perfect!
I think that most people like to talk good about the camera because it's cheap and very old and on using Magic lantern it's does wonders , but the forget that the firmware is very glitchy and post production is very tiring that is why most of the video on TH-cam are of just few seconds or a minute , btw nice video mate it's helpful to newcomers.
Thank you, I appreciate it! And yeah, I spent hours getting the footage to look as good as it does here with noise reduction and stabilization.
Thanks so much for this comment. I've been debating on getting it for shooting short films
I've done an entire short film with it and it's robust if you use the right settings. I seriously messed with it for a month and learned what to do and not to do. Once you find what works it's great. Start with 1080p, then 5k anamorphic. Download different builds, try them out.
Yes! I also made a whole short film with it, and it still offers the highest quality B cam footage period. It's capable but I still don't like it, that's all
@@EVRLYNMedia I'm right there with you. It's just a fun toy for me. I use my S1 and S5 for serious stuff, but for what it is I really like the look it produces. Will likely use it again.
Your video is very useful. People who have been using this camera with ML successfully (such as Zeek) sometimes make it seem like it's easy and straightforward to do so. That is DEFINITELY not the case. The software is buggy, the camera is always working on its limit, crashes and overheating are normal... It's a nightmare and it will test your patience to the point of giving up. I'd recommend, for most people, to stay away from it if they can afford a better camera (a blackmagic, for example).
BUT, if you are resilient enough and willing to invest the necessary time to it, you'll eventually learn all the hiccups and build yourself a method that can become quite reliable, and it will finally pay off when you unlock the color richness and crisp details of 14bit RAW video!
Absolutely! I ended up liking my unit so much that I replaced the D-pad and now the camera is fully operational! The main downside is the giant video sizes, processing and unreliability, but it makes the filmmaking process feel so much more complete to have that much control over your video footage.
The real issue is that i have yet to see raw ML footage that does not have extremely weird peaky/clipped green and red tones.
This is likely down to the raw processing application.
Camera raw/lightroom is uniquely cloose to original camera image processing. This is important for raw to be useful.
When you have an app that has no manufacturer input/colaboration you end up with extremely weird looking image quality.
Please before jumping into magic lantern make sure you dont prefer the look of say a gh5s with prores.
These cameras will work flawlessly for video have sync stabe auto focus and avtually probably 2nd best color science after canon.
@@MrStevegibb i shoot on a gh6 prores these days. This video was made quite a whilenago
this video is amazing! thank you!
I'm starting to agreeing with you. That's the buggiest sh*t ever. Zeek is the ML Whisperer! I'm beginning to think it would be cheaper to buy a more expensive camera.
Exactly. on a film set, time is money. Youd save hundreds of budget dollars getting something thats simply reliable, even if it won't have the best image quality.
I liked how much creativity you put making this video 👍
You didnt use the right card. You need an Extreme Pro card. 👍👍
Regular extreme cards are more than fast enough for 1080p RAW.
Before making BOLD title to your video, try harder. Practice well.. Read forums.. EOS M + ML is a beast. Especially with latest Crop Mood..
Before assuming things about me and my camera, consider that I still use this camera all the time. I still fuckin hate it. It's the most unreliable camera I've ever owned but hey the video quality is good. Here's a demo reel I made recently. th-cam.com/video/S6LF_lBsJrY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=kMMCDf-vwCwnDHbi
@@EVRLYNMedia I understand you completely, 18 months ago I tried ML and had the same problems (pink screen etc), and tried to sell eos M for 90 euros, but no one wanted it. And then in May, the Crop mood build came out! It is much more stable, 12bit at 4.2K works until the battery dies. So I was lucky that I didn't manage to sell the camera, now I'm super happy. Of course, the camera is not for professional work, but for enthusiasts who want something more, this is an excellent solution. Crop mood build also works on the Canon 700D, so if your problem is the eos M body with a few buttons, that's your solution.
@@ivandj707 i seriously need to try crop mood! I hear about it all the time but im lazy
I agree. I tested the EOS M years ago, and it was an hassle... We should create some "Don't buy the EOS M in 202x" videos.
But nowadays you can't even buy a EOS M (sold out) and EOS M2 for cheap, so... let it go, let it go.
omg right?? lucky i bought mine when i did... it freakin doubled in price.
@@EVRLYNMedia I luckily found one around 220 euros.
I will try it instead of the iPhone X 4k... let's see how it goes this time (with STM lenses, ed)
My problem is that the filming automatically stops after 2 sec. I have the recommended sd card. I feel frustrated about it.
I've said abt this to my friend before covid.. is the video image quality great? yes... is it a hassle? do AF work great?.. I always recommend a6000 yeah no RAW there but the video image is good enough... if you are not going to be a movie cinematographer theres no need for Canon EOS M + ML
I hated ML and just bought a blackmagic instead.
Funny you are one of the very few disliked this camera.
i dont dislike it per se. it just sort of disappoints me in terms of being a filmmaking tool. you notice i had plenty positive to say about it as well. there are things i like about it too
Would love to see an update here as Crop Mood changed so much on ML builds.
I still have my M but have been procrastinating trying crop mood. but i really need too because it sounds like it would solve a lot of my problems (30p capture, stability, battery life, higher resolutions)
@@EVRLYNMedia Yeah, like I totally sympathize with your points in this vid, but this build has made like 90% of these problems fade away. If anything the only major hurdle is using the right SD card. Smooth sailing when you have it though.
Also, I find the MLV Raw for EOS M facebook group loads more helpful than the forum or discord.
@@ryanleethomas yeah i should have realized my SD card was subpar. I have a fancy new one though Ill load CM onto when i get the chance
you need to shoot it in 1080p raw; anything more then you have hassles
Although I like your video, u may have a dud. I have 2 eos m's and never had any issues using magic lantern.. For $150 you just can't find a better camera if you want 10 bit.
Tbh that's very true, even with the issues I encountered it was still a fantastic camera
Lots of people have duds then. It’s all over eBay now from those who had enough of its problems.
Great video. You need to relax and speak a little slower though.
yeahhh i get paranoid about speaking too slow so i tend to go as fast as i possibly can. i should work on that.
@@EVRLYNMedia nah, i like you speaking fast so i dont have to speed up the video like other youtuber
There are plenty of example of how Eosm-M1 can create content which is better than most. I have made, recently, a demo, "music" video using this Magic Lantern using that M-1 version: th-cam.com/video/j4jxMXZf1EM/w-d-xo.html
Hella nice! I've used the EOS M in some newer videos actually, even making a short film only using it. Just because I don't like it doesn't mean I don't think it's capable!
I'm pretty disappointed! Bought an M thinking I'd save money and it's virtually useless. Damn you Zeek. 😅
It's all about how you use it! The same still sucks in my view, but i regularly use it to shoot video because its simply the only camera I have that has a true "cinematic" look. I'm saving up for a real cinema camera though, and at that point i'll probably just sell the EOS M to a beginning filmmaker who needs it more than I do lol
Why do you think it is useless? I'm thinking on buying it but I'm not sure :(
Ah, I don't mean to be so pessimistic btw but it's just not a reliable filmmaking tool. It gets the job done, sure, but all of the issues I had lead up to a fairly disappointing overall experience
I think the problem is not with EOS M but you don't know how to use it :D
Usability is a problem.
It's not like I was forcing the camera to crash
@@EVRLYNMedia you had wrong card. EOS M is great camera if you know how to use it
Are you using a Sandisk Extreme Pro SD?
It's one of Sandisk's faster series... extreme, not pro. not like that matter though, because the video files themselves never exceed 100mb/s, the max that this card can reach
@@EVRLYNMedia You wont get pink frames with the Extreme Pro; unless you are experimenting with high frame rates, trust me.
@@scottshellisfilms9112 true, I have half a year using the camera and never got pink frames, I mainly shoot 10 BIT and 1080P 24fps anyway
@@ramyabouhassan Yes. I have shot for hours using these cards with no problems. Even the high fps mode works fine so long as you bump the resolution down. 14 bit.
@@posiaduroja1599 you could not had found a better way to prove my point
Another demo using the M-1 Magic Lantern: th-cam.com/video/BnMx8yb1NCQ/w-d-xo.html
are you the voice for error messages?
nice vid, nice attitude
You should rethink it.
Ive certainly tried to. I've actually used it in some other videos l, including making a short film in a day with it, but I still simply don't like it.
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