I just watched your video before potentially purchasing a 20 K pop up.Everything was going well with the inspection and the small ti.e sales guy was a nice as pie until I took your advice and checked a partially popped up the roof and checked underneath at the corners One corner was rotted out and had mold with the along the width of the wood board that was a deal breaker for me.once I brought it to the attention of the sales guy his demeanor changed and he didn't want to sell me the trailer lol...thanks alot for your valuable experience you saved me from buying a lemon . Excellent video
I’ve been doing a lot of research (yeah, online, rigorous, I know) and I have settled on a 1993 Jayco 1006. First time pop-up camper owner. Looking for a little bit of a DYI. Paying $350. Has some work. I found your video and….Dude….thank you. Thank you for the information. Thank you for the honesty. Thank you for the humor. 48 year old man here, not sure if you would even get these comments, but Thanks man, Thanks.
You're welcome! Really glad to help. Check out www.popupportal.com/ for DIY questions, it's a really great resource. That's where I learned how to rebuild the roof (hopefully you don't have to do that!!) -Simon
@@LakeHubTV Again….Thank you!!! I wish I could bring you to the place that I’m going to pick it up. I see some discoloration on the roof line….we will see! Again, I appreciate you!
@@silvinodino I just finished the updates. I put on a new roof. Installed a fan. Updated the electrical outlets. And, oh yeah, updated the roof….have I mentioned the roof? I will say that it is not hard, but it does take.a few days….not to mention, have a table saw….it just helps with some of these awkward angles. I am not putting on the trim, rather, I have used tape, seam and seal, and heavily applied Flex Tape. I realize that this is just a temporary fix, but this is my first pop-up, I got it for $400 and I have spend less than $600 on the updates. I feel real good about taking this $1000 camper out for a few years. This channel helped me a bunch. I excited as heck! Let’s go!
That's awesome! I rebuilt a roof on a previous camper, and I kept track of my time... almost 80 man hours. But I was trying to restore it to original, saving the aluminum skin and all trim. I wouldn't do that again. Or if I did I would at least have an oscillating tool to quickly strip the old material off the skin and then rebuild. -Simon
We just bought our first one today, we saw the pictures online but when the gentleman pulled up he let us know he could not open it by himself! SMH we made sure to get a bill of sale and his ID I am also in law so I wanted to cover my bases. However, It’s a 2000 Viking epic and it’s looks really taken care of just not sure how to put on the cables he states he needed and but he didn’t have time to get it done and it was only for fishing but he did not end up keeping it but for two weeks! He showed me his bill of sale from the lady he brought it from because I asked I didn’t want to loose out on funds! We really love this investment and appreciate this video because it’s much we don’t know about upgrading our camper! Taking notes hope we are gonna be ok with doing it ourself!
Thats a job that I have never done! There aren’t many moving parts, cables pulleys and a winch, but it is obviously critical. Start with an owners manual, if you don’t have one you can find PDF files online
i bought my first pop up and i had to replace the wood side panels. camper repair shop wanted 3200.00 to replace. Did it myself and was not easy!!!!! i watched a guy on youtube replace sides. but now its like a new camper. i learned real fast about campers lol i wished i would have watched your vid first lol Thanks
Oh it's do able , but I have never seen if one can replace by pulling down and out as a panel ? ..if so can be replaced with balsam wood I think .can you help with that ..
If you linked to a little checklist, I think this would an PERFECT video for those of us considering getting a camper. Thank you for clearly explaining what is fixable and what is a waste of time.
I wish I had seen this BEFORE I purchased my trailer. after watching this video, I inspected mine and saw I got a good deal and it's in really good condition. Thank you for the insight and a great video.
I’m a retired (RN) senior searching for a pup…very little knowledge of them. Been looking on FB marketplace, joined a few respective groups to pups. Found a link to this vid in a FB group (Gently Used Pop-up Campers for Sale). I’ve picked up minute pieces of info along the way until the link to your vid. Watched and feel I’ve gained much education and confidence going forward. I definitely hit the “👍” and subscribed. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and experience.
Thanks a lot Simon! Your video helped us to avoid some bad buys! Saw a nice Forest River and we had told the owner we'd buy it, but we just wanted to see the roof (since the trailer was popped up when we arrived)... guess what? Rotten wood in front and back, and caulking was old and dry with plenty of holes! I have watched several other videos but this one was honestly the most helpful, purely based on the most important checks when inspecting a trailer.
We have that frig. It takes a while to get cool on propane, but it works well enough that we keep our meats in it so they don't end up soaked in water in a cooler. We've never had a problem. When the kids were babies, we kept the baby bottles cool in it. Very handy at night.
Good guide. One thing our fridge works awesome on battery, propane, or electric. Put it on high and it will freeze food in the bottom section. We set it midway and nice and chilly. 2003 Flagstaff
Your recommendation to look up under the end boards on the roof is a great idea! I should have checked that when we still had our 1998 10 ft pop-up. We were in a hailstorm soon after getting it and ended up with divots but no perforations. We never saw any evidence of leaking or mold or mildew, so we never replaced it, but might have been something to double-check. We were very careful about making certain the canvas was dry. We had the camper for 20 years with no issues, before we sold it to a younger family, but yes, it was also stored in a garage during it’s life with us. I can sympathize about sinks in pop-ups. Ours was never really useful, due to pressure issues. The dealer worked with us to fix it, but in the end it is just design issues. Our fridge actually cooled down really well on propane, less so on electric, but we did use it. The furnace was either too hot or cold, so we also used a space heater if we had electric. It provided more even heat. I never thought an air conditioner would work in a tent camper but my husband wouldn’t camp without one. It was wonderful on muggy afternoons and evenings after a day of hiking.
We use a small space heater too if we have electric, only blast propane if boondockin' or it's super cold, because once it goes it goooooeeeesss! It doesn't take much to heat or cool a small camper. Thanks for the comments! Simon
The fridge in my '88 pop up is exactly the same as yours and is excellent. I have to turn it off at night when it's a bit cooler because it is too good and freezes my food. Even on a 35C day it performs pretty well. Those 3 way fridges have to be near perfectly level to work properly. Next time you camp, get everything as level as possible and try it again or maybe have it looked at if that doesn't improve it.
I agree. Our fridge works great! We bring our food in a cooler (mostly frozen leftovers) and after we set up, turn on the fridge, fill the fridge, it's nice and cold. We only use electricity.
Great, easy to understand information. Also really good delivery, I could listen to you all day. I subscribed just to see what else I can learn from you. Thank you!
I just bought a 2009 pop up camper good condition for $4500 cash. I’m a single female with 3 dogs. It’s so much easier to tow than those huge pull RVs.
Thank you for this I kinda had a idea what to look for but I will be gutting mine & remodeling it for my needs. Whatever comes up after the remodeling I'll have to deal with this will be my home
Just keep in mind remodeling that the cabinets are part of the structure, it's tempting to rip them out for more floor space but they hold the walls up and support them from flexing or shaking out on the road. If you rip them out, plan on doing some extra framing or bracing for the walls.
Not for nothing I've been camping my whole life!! And I agree with almost everything you said except for the thing about the fridge. I don't know what is wrong with yours but all the ones I've had worked great!! Small, yes but they kept everything cold, Hell we've even used the small little freezer section to make Ice for mixed drinks so we don't have to use the dirty water ice from the coolers. You might want to have that fridge checked or try turning the settings colder if it has any or just replace it with a new one if it doesn't get cold.
Thank you so much for the time and amazing effort you put into this video. I'm getting a late start on buying and living in a camper or RV. This has been a true learning experience for me and my partner. We are grateful for all this info and hidden stuff we would have never known before you. Happy travels to you and yours. Now that I have watched the whole video, I swear I love how much you care about me and all the others that need to see this. I am subscribing and a fan 4 life.. 🙏💯❤️😎😁
Thank you, Simon! Thank you for this informative video. I purchased my first pop up (Jayco Qwest 8U 2001). I’m learning so much and I now know what to look for if I buy another pop up in the future. The pop up does have a new canvas - but I’m sure it has had water/soft spots in its former life.
SUPER INTRO - THANKS!! this is the very first day I'm looking into them and WAY more practical and affordable than the 1000s ppl spend for RVs and campers - LOVE the by winter sell summer idea!! God bless and safe travels! -Khaled
I've probably owned 7-8 pop up's over the years. Started with a small StarCraft, had a couple larger StarCraft's and eventually had a few of the larger Jayco's, two which had slide outs. I personally wouldn't touch a Coleman with the plastic roof unless it was to just flip it and make a few bucks. I just recently bought a small travel trailer, of course it's so much easier as there's hardly any set-up when compared to a pop up. A pop up is a heck of a lot easier to tow. I personally really like the hybrid trailers, just like a regular travel trailer, but also has all the extra sleeping area when the bunks are out. Pop up, travel trailer, 5th wheel or motor home, all water damage starts from the roof and destroys everything on down. Almost everyone either needed the cables adjusted or replaced, I think people are just excessively rough with them and don't properly stabilize. Good video.
i just sold a 2016 viking popup. never put grease on the cable. always had a problem going down the last 6 in. guess i should have greased it. i did grease the arms once a year. mine didn't have a/c. guess i could have added one.
From what I understand, even campers that don't have factory A/C are framed the same way with a 14" opening. They're cumbersome but not complicated! " -Simon
nice video - I appreciate the insights - but what about the brakes? Most of the campers I have been looking at have a braking system. Is this an item you don't care about?
Hi there! Do you have any videos on how to fix or replace the top shell of the camper? Our oldie is not in bad shape, but we noticed a small leak on the top and how there’s a ring of water stain.
No we don't! It's a big process though. If you can fix it with silicone, it's best to do that first. Use "Pro Flex RV" brand sealant. It's expensive but worth it to protect your roof. -Simon
Helpful video!! I am in the market for a new or hardly used pop up. Weve been using a rooftop tent and have all stand alone appliances: coleman camp stove, dometic cooler/fridge/freezer, solar panels and power stations, camp sink etc. Would you think it makes more sense to buy a 'bare bones' pop up that doesnt have any appliances? Looking at forest River OTG series. Thanks!
@@LakeHubTV thank you for the reply! From your perspective and experience, do you feel it's likely I would want to step up to a bigger/nicer model if I went with that OTG model? I'd rather skip the 'stepping stone's and just go right up to something I'll enjoy using for 15-20 years as my family grows. I appreciate your opinions! Thank you
On the fridge there are other options but they are expensive but they are in my understanding designed for rough living. I realize a lot of luxuries I will have to let go of & that's fine by me. I need peace not luxury. I love heat so summer isn't gonna be so bad but winter will be a challenge I think
Great job. Cannot agree more about the fridge. Yeah they work...kind of. Plus they are too small to be useful. We use ours for bread and things that can get crushed. They should just put in freezers designed to make ice for a larger cooler.
@@LakeHubTV I would like to put about 1200-1600W of solar on the roof and as a slide out awning. Then I can power regular appliances. I don't think the roof can handle the load of glass ones however which makes them much more expensive.
We don't have one, but it is NOT easy. The industrial adhesive that glues the siding to the wood is a bear to deal with. You pretty much have to take the camper apart... corner caps/trip off (those screws go into the end panel), strip siding off (if you are recovering that material), rebuild.
Great video, thanks for uploading! One question I have for you is that the bottom of my 2000 Viking has some wood rot on the underneath at the corners. It sat outside for years but is now in my garage, the wood is now dry, but flakes away if I touch it. Is this a huge concern? I would imagine replacing the floor is not worth the hassle. Like I said it’s only the corners along the frame. Thanks
Hey. Thanks so much for the info. Very helpful since we just bought our first pop up camper today as a matter of fact. But i have to ask. I noticed your shirt and am wondering if youre from the central texas area like temple/belton area. My son used to play on a soccer league team for fcb. Were from that area. Thought it was a pretty cool coincidence.
I've been thinking on a biiig big project that may never happen, which I know would be a labour of love, I'm not looking to do this for the sake of convenience in setting up, moreso for convenience when actually using it. I'm a larper, which means I camp in medieval fantasy style, and I was working out if getting a fixer one would be feasible if I was to strip down and remake all the canvas from waterproof, flame retardant polycotton canvas. I have made a tent before, make things for a living, and have a product design background. I'm also pretty handy so I have a decent skillset to do this. I'd ideally be looking for one with the big front awning that covers up the door side of the trailer and the undersides of the popped up sides, making it easy to cover the last visible side. I'd then dress it up to look less modern. I can get away with having zips and the odd little modern bit here and there. I don't need hot water, I don't need a fridge. I'm not sure if I really need power either, if so it'd be for the odd plug to charge devices. I live in the UK so wouldn't have one with air conditioning. I'd want it so I had somewhere comfortable to sleep, store my wheelchair (under a pop out part of the trailer that's still inside the tent awning) and provide a decent sized space for people to use in the day or crash in. I can get up steps slowly, walk small distances and I don't camp alone for my safety so I'm not concerned about using it. Would this be doable? This video is a real help for avoiding possibly problematic purchases, but as someone who doesn't have as much experience as you, it's hard to tell if my theories right now are wrong.
Are you thinking you would use a pop-up style camper to do this, and build a bigger tent around it? Or scrapping the existing canvas and totally rebuilding?
@@LakeHubTV I'd scrap the existing canvas and use the original canvas as a pattern for new canvas in some that looks less modern. I see a lot of these campers in the UK with big awnings attached to the front of them, so I'd be remaking this too
I got a pretty good camper for the price but I notice the front wall closest to the hitch is slightly separated. So I probably need to replace some wood under the front sheet metal.. any vids on this? It's a 99 viking I think .
We don't, but that's quite a job. You have to remove the top trim, which is a job in itself, and then essentially rebuild. Unless you have major structural issues with it, you might let sleeping dogs lie. Or zip some metal roof screws (with rubber washers) in and hope that helps.
I have a question how would one go about repairing the inside of a 1984 Coleman Jamestown and also it is leaking a little bit how would I repair that on the outside the outside and inside?
well, you need to address the leak first. that is for certain. need to find its location, which is usually one of three places: the corner caps, the A/C unit, or one of the roof seams. if corners or seams, strip old caulk and recaulk with Pro Flex RV. if A/C, may need a new seal (or see if one corner is not as tight, and torque it down)
You seem very knowledgeable to me so what's your stance on solar panels? Originally I wanted to go that route even though it's expensive but I found that after so many years they need replacing so I'm not sure I wanna do that
Ashley - installing solar panels on top can lead to issues no matter how they're installed. whether it's adhesives, screws, holes, brackets, etc. it might compromise the integrity of your camper's shell. all need to be sealed, covered for travel, frequently inspected, etc. instead, mount them to a folding card table. they're light weight, inexpensive, portable, come in different sizes, adjustable height, directional, and disposable if necessary. most important you can park the trailer in the shade while setting the panels out in the sun. I'm in Idaho. we have lots of desert and the sun is murder on a trailer.
Solar can be a great convenience especially if doing some rural camping. They're expensive but can be well worth it if you do dry camping a lot like in the mountains or desert. The best setup I've seen is a series of big portable panels that people set up on the roof before cranking it up, that way they're not permanently installed, but you also don't get the benefit of them working on the highway. You also have to be wary of your battery setup, you'll need more battery power than the standard RV battery, such as several 12v batteries in series or parallel depending on your usage. After tearing a roof apart and rebuilding, I wouldn't mount anything to the roof. They're too cheaply made.
We're looking at a 2007 Forest River Flagstaff, but the listing says the lift cable snapped & needs to be replaced. I fell in love with the layout & updates compared to anything else on the market. If the lift cable is it, is there a way to proceed by bringing it to a dealer or repair place?
That's pretty much a dealer / RV tech repair job. It's a simple contraption but 1) very critical and 2) not a simple installation. I wouldn't recommend that for DIY, and RV techs are in high demand. Unless you're getting a crazy deal, that might be a deal breaker! -Simon
Great video, thanks man! I just subscribed. Looking at buying a Jayco Designer…fiberglass roof looks fine. Interior looks great, except one crack in the ceiling. Almost like what drywall tape looks like when peeling away from a joint. No stains. I wish I could post a pic. Any advice? Should I be worried?
Is that area soft at all compared to the rest of the ceiling? That would be the main concern. Otherwise it may have just flexed once like it was put up not perfectly level or something. If you dont think water damage, probably nothing to worry about. Campers are built with really light cheap materials
Looking to buy a used pop up, thanks so much for your video. Based on your experience with the roofs, what is a good solid brand you feel has the best roof construction? Since buying a new one is there a year you try and stay after? Like looking at 2006 right now would it make you nervous based on the age? Thanks again.
I was wondering if you have the dimensions from the wall to the door of the fridge, I was thinking about taking it out and putting a 12v chest fridge on a slider in there.
Do you any snswer abut replacing the roof from the inside ..like is it possible to replace by using a thin ballsome sheet . I don't know how to take it down ..
I have done it before, I used melamine so I didnt have to paint. It worked well. But it was WAY more project than I expected. Had to take the roof off and flip it over, remove rotten framing, scrape the aluminum, rebuild frame, glue in insulation, ceiling, install all exterior trim, and then I did bed liner on the outside to bulletproof it since hail damage is what caused it in the first place. It is a LOT. If you have ceiling damage then you have roof damage!
@@LakeHubTV we are going to sell our boat and buy a pop up it’s just the two of us. We don’t fish but camping we would both enjoy. We have a tent it’s time to move up.
manufacturers say to level AFTER raising the top. It raises the center of gravity. Rock river being one of the biggest ones for this. I would much rather keep my warranty than follow advice.
You do you! Not a bad idea to level both before and after, great point about center of gravity. Approximate before hand, and exact after. Also doing it after your stabilizers are set is probably a good idea. I will contend that you can never be "too level", sooner the better! -Simon
Big help, thanks. I'm deciding between a more expensive 2012 in great shape, and a 2006 in great shape except with a patched hole on the roof. Wasn't hail, but a bike dropped on it. They've never had leaking. Is that still a deal breaker?
I've bought a camper with patched hail damage, and as long as you are always checking it and making sure then it can be fine. But if that's EVER compromised you'll have a massive problem on your hands. I stored mine in the garage so I never worried too much, it only got weather when we were actually camping. Simon
Hello please can you let me know I I’ve been blessed with the same kind of camper and papa I like to know do they have people to come out and help me pop it up and fix it yes or no
We're looking for something in the same size as your Palomino Pony. Based on your experience, what makes/models would you recommend in that size in a year range of 2010 - 2017?
We've also had a Flagstaff which is a Forest River brand, and was happy with it. Rockwoods (also FR) and Jaycos also seem to be pretty good. Colemans have ABS plastic roofs which crack eventually, but are very easily repairable at home - just need to keep an eye on it. To be honest, they're all built at about the same quality with very similar materials. -Simon
Found a 2007 fleetwood taos for sale in our area. Definitely a few leaks in the roof. It will need replacing, which I feel confidentdoing myself. Other than that it's in great condition. I can get it for $1500. Should I go for it or is it more trouble than it's worth?
It took us 80 man hours total to strip and rebuild the roof, but I learned so much that it would probably take us 30-40 hours to do another one. So it's totally up to you - do you have the room, the tools, the time and the skills to do it? You need at least twice the floor space as the camper takes, ideally 3x the space. We had exactly 2x and it was very cramped. I also would not even attempt to do it again unless we were using an oscillating tool like this one amzn.to/3xlpUDW for scraping glue off the inside of the roof surface. I got a lot of info from PopUpPortal.com search "roof" or "ceiling". You'll find out exactly what materials to use or avoid. Good luck! -Simon
Two things. I’m in a pop up group, and a lot of people said that their fridges got ice cold. Why do you think some are Arctic, and others are just over cool? Also, couldn’t mildew stains on the canvas be from packing up wet and not opening back up? I haven’t purchased one yet, so I just wanted to ask. Excellent tips!
In my experience, a pop-up fridge has about 8-10 years of good life, so if the camper's not that old then it might be ok. I think a camper that's 5-10 years old is the sweet spot for value, so fridges are going to be iffy in that range. And yes, mildew on the canvas will be from water, which could definitely be from packing down wet - I see that occasionally when shopping. If it's all over, then that's probably what happened. If it's just in one spot, it's probably a roof leak. Glad to help! -Simon
We usually stay at campsites with showers, yes. At this stage of life we hardly do any really hard camping. Otherwise we don't miss hot water at the campsite, and can heat up any by stove if really needed -Simon
I bought the one in the video in that range, but that was before the plague. Different world. $4-5k is realistic for a decent used one, and you will always pay more at the dealer. -Simon
That's so strange about your fridge experience. My Norcold in my Coleman Sun Valley works fantastic on 12 volts, electric, and LP. I've heard others say the same, but mine works very well.
I just watched your video before potentially purchasing a 20 K pop up.Everything was going well with the inspection and the small ti.e sales guy was a nice as pie until I took your advice and checked a partially popped up the roof and checked underneath at the corners
One corner was rotted out and had mold with the along the width of the wood board that was a deal breaker for me.once I brought it to the attention of the sales guy his demeanor changed and he didn't want to sell me the trailer lol...thanks alot for your valuable experience you saved me from buying a lemon . Excellent video
Glad to help, Stuart! It makes me happy to be helping so many people out. -Simon
What if your getting one for free. Is it worth it
I’ve been doing a lot of research (yeah, online, rigorous, I know) and I have settled on a 1993 Jayco 1006. First time pop-up camper owner. Looking for a little bit of a DYI. Paying $350. Has some work. I found your video and….Dude….thank you. Thank you for the information. Thank you for the honesty. Thank you for the humor. 48 year old man here, not sure if you would even get these comments, but Thanks man, Thanks.
You're welcome! Really glad to help. Check out www.popupportal.com/ for DIY questions, it's a really great resource. That's where I learned how to rebuild the roof (hopefully you don't have to do that!!)
-Simon
@@LakeHubTV Again….Thank you!!! I wish I could bring you to the place that I’m going to pick it up. I see some discoloration on the roof line….we will see! Again, I appreciate you!
I have a 1994 jayco model 10 camper that I’m going to start restoring as well.
@@silvinodino I just finished the updates. I put on a new roof. Installed a fan. Updated the electrical outlets. And, oh yeah, updated the roof….have I mentioned the roof? I will say that it is not hard, but it does take.a few days….not to mention, have a table saw….it just helps with some of these awkward angles. I am not putting on the trim, rather, I have used tape, seam and seal, and heavily applied Flex Tape. I realize that this is just a temporary fix, but this is my first pop-up, I got it for $400 and I have spend less than $600 on the updates. I feel real good about taking this $1000 camper out for a few years. This channel helped me a bunch. I excited as heck! Let’s go!
That's awesome! I rebuilt a roof on a previous camper, and I kept track of my time... almost 80 man hours. But I was trying to restore it to original, saving the aluminum skin and all trim. I wouldn't do that again. Or if I did I would at least have an oscillating tool to quickly strip the old material off the skin and then rebuild.
-Simon
We just bought our first one today, we saw the pictures online but when the gentleman pulled up he let us know he could not open it by himself! SMH we made sure to get a bill of sale and his ID I am also in law so I wanted to cover my bases. However, It’s a 2000 Viking epic and it’s looks really taken care of just not sure how to put on the cables he states he needed and but he didn’t have time to get it done and it was only for fishing but he did not end up keeping it but for two weeks! He showed me his bill of sale from the lady he brought it from because I asked I didn’t want to loose out on funds! We really love this investment and appreciate this video because it’s much we don’t know about upgrading our camper! Taking notes hope we are gonna be ok with doing it ourself!
Thats a job that I have never done! There aren’t many moving parts, cables pulleys and a winch, but it is obviously critical. Start with an owners manual, if you don’t have one you can find PDF files online
i bought my first pop up and i had to replace the wood side panels. camper repair shop wanted 3200.00 to replace. Did it myself and was not easy!!!!! i watched a guy on youtube replace sides. but now its like a new camper. i learned real fast about campers lol i wished i would have watched your vid first lol Thanks
That's a big job! But now that the work is done, you have camper equity. Congrats !
-Simon
Oh it's do able , but I have never seen if one can replace by pulling down and out as a panel ? ..if so can be replaced with balsam wood I think .can you help with that ..
As a young woman trying to figure out what to look for, this was the most useful video I watched! Thanks a lot😀
Glad to help! Once you get one, make sure to watch this one next: th-cam.com/video/S73uGlNvgto/w-d-xo.html
-Simon
Also as a retired woman, this was a great video to watch prior to looking for an older popup 👍🏼
If you linked to a little checklist, I think this would an PERFECT video for those of us considering getting a camper. Thank you for clearly explaining what is fixable and what is a waste of time.
Great idea! I made one, you can sign up here api.elasticemail.com/form?lid=BzLh93tsC9ryQ34fTJ_oKw2
-Simon
Thanks for the list bud
It came up no page found
Signed up yet it said it couldn’t find the page 😔
Same here. 😢no page
I wish I had seen this BEFORE I purchased my trailer. after watching this video, I inspected mine and saw I got a good deal and it's in really good condition.
Thank you for the insight and a great video.
Thanks! Glad you got a good buy!
I’m a retired (RN) senior searching for a pup…very little knowledge of them. Been looking on FB marketplace, joined a few respective groups to pups. Found a link to this vid in a FB group (Gently Used Pop-up Campers for Sale). I’ve picked up minute pieces of info along the way until the link to your vid. Watched and feel I’ve gained much education and confidence going forward. I definitely hit the “👍” and subscribed. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge and experience.
Awesome! Glad to help!!
Thanks a lot Simon! Your video helped us to avoid some bad buys! Saw a nice Forest River and we had told the owner we'd buy it, but we just wanted to see the roof (since the trailer was popped up when we arrived)... guess what? Rotten wood in front and back, and caulking was old and dry with plenty of holes! I have watched several other videos but this one was honestly the most helpful, purely based on the most important checks when inspecting a trailer.
So happy to help! -Simon
We have that frig. It takes a while to get cool on propane, but it works well enough that we keep our meats in it so they don't end up soaked in water in a cooler. We've never had a problem. When the kids were babies, we kept the baby bottles cool in it. Very handy at night.
Awesome!
I like the last tip the most. Thank you
Glad to help!’
Good guide. One thing our fridge works awesome on battery, propane, or electric. Put it on high and it will freeze food in the bottom section. We set it midway and nice and chilly. 2003 Flagstaff
Wow that's awesome - we used to have an '05 Flagstaff, it was our fixer-upper, fun little camper
-Simon
Dude. Dude.... wow, Dude! Super valuable advice especially in the end! You just talked me out of shopping for a camper in the summer.
It's been kind of a crazy market lately, but I'm seeing dealerships full of campers again so prices should be better this winter! -Simon
Your recommendation to look up under the end boards on the roof is a great idea! I should have checked that when we still had our 1998 10 ft pop-up. We were in a hailstorm soon after getting it and ended up with divots but no perforations. We never saw any evidence of leaking or mold or mildew, so we never replaced it, but might have been something to double-check. We were very careful about making certain the canvas was dry. We had the camper for 20 years with no issues, before we sold it to a younger family, but yes, it was also stored in a garage during it’s life with us. I can sympathize about sinks in pop-ups. Ours was never really useful, due to pressure issues. The dealer worked with us to fix it, but in the end it is just design issues. Our fridge actually cooled down really well on propane, less so on electric, but we did use it. The furnace was either too hot or cold, so we also used a space heater if we had electric. It provided more even heat. I never thought an air conditioner would work in a tent camper but my husband wouldn’t camp without one. It was wonderful on muggy afternoons and evenings after a day of hiking.
We use a small space heater too if we have electric, only blast propane if boondockin' or it's super cold, because once it goes it goooooeeeesss! It doesn't take much to heat or cool a small camper. Thanks for the comments!
Simon
Im happy i found this video im going to look a a used pop up this week. Thanks for the info
Awesome! Good luck -
The fridge in my '88 pop up is exactly the same as yours and is excellent. I have to turn it off at night when it's a bit cooler because it is too good and freezes my food. Even on a 35C day it performs pretty well. Those 3 way fridges have to be near perfectly level to work properly. Next time you camp, get everything as level as possible and try it again or maybe have it looked at if that doesn't improve it.
Good tip, thanks!
I agree. Our fridge works great! We bring our food in a cooler (mostly frozen leftovers) and after we set up, turn on the fridge, fill the fridge, it's nice and cold. We only use electricity.
Great, easy to understand information. Also really good delivery, I could listen to you all day. I subscribed just to see what else I can learn from you. Thank you!
Why thank you kindly!
-Simon
Thanks for your video!! I am going to look at a popup this afternoon and stumbled upon this video. Very informative and easy to follow. Thanks !!!
Appreciate it!!
I just bought a 2009 pop up camper good condition for $4500 cash. I’m a single female with 3 dogs. It’s so much easier to tow than those huge pull RVs.
Agreed! Tons of fun for the money
@@LakeHubTV I am a bit nervous about how to care for it. I only have a heavy duty canvas tarp to cover it. Do I need to get a storage unit?
Thank you for this I kinda had a idea what to look for but I will be gutting mine & remodeling it for my needs. Whatever comes up after the remodeling I'll have to deal with this will be my home
Just keep in mind remodeling that the cabinets are part of the structure, it's tempting to rip them out for more floor space but they hold the walls up and support them from flexing or shaking out on the road. If you rip them out, plan on doing some extra framing or bracing for the walls.
You definitely deserved a thumbs up on this
Thanks! -Simon
Not for nothing I've been camping my whole life!! And I agree with almost everything you said except for the thing about the fridge. I don't know what is wrong with yours but all the ones I've had worked great!! Small, yes but they kept everything cold, Hell we've even used the small little freezer section to make Ice for mixed drinks so we don't have to use the dirty water ice from the coolers. You might want to have that fridge checked or try turning the settings colder if it has any or just replace it with a new one if it doesn't get cold.
Definitely need to reinvestigate
SO useful. Thank you! This is exactly the info I needed as a first time tent trailer buyer.
You bet, Cat! If you run into any questions when you're shopping, fire away. -S
Thank you so much for the time and amazing effort you put into this video. I'm getting a late start on buying and living in a camper or RV. This has been a true learning experience for me and my partner. We are grateful for all this info and hidden stuff we would have never known before you. Happy travels to you and yours.
Now that I have watched the whole video, I swear I love how much you care about me and all the others that need to see this. I am subscribing and a fan 4 life.. 🙏💯❤️😎😁
Thanks for the kind words!! So glad to help. -S
Thank you for this great information. We are in the market for a used pop up, and I'll be using all your tips.
Go get 'em!
This is a great guide! I'm going to look for a used one this winter. Thank you!
So glad I could help! Go find that deal!!
-Simon
Thank you, Simon! Thank you for this informative video. I purchased my first pop up (Jayco Qwest 8U 2001). I’m learning so much and I now know what to look for if I buy another pop up in the future. The pop up does have a new canvas - but I’m sure it has had water/soft spots in its former life.
congrats! its a journey
great tip, i tried to sell at the end of the season last year , not one bite. put it on the market 3 weeks ago, phone was ringing off the wall .
Glad you're getting some action! It's amazing how it switches when the weather warms
SUPER INTRO - THANKS!! this is the very first day I'm looking into them and WAY more practical and affordable than the 1000s ppl spend for RVs and campers - LOVE the by winter sell summer idea!! God bless and safe travels! -Khaled
Make sure to watch this one too - I talk about all of the WHYs behind camper decisions! th-cam.com/video/xBEwViyYjiE/w-d-xo.html
-Simon
Saved this video, great stuff. Finally someone keeping it real. Thank you
Thanks Trev, real is the only way to keep it! -S
I've probably owned 7-8 pop up's over the years. Started with a small StarCraft, had a couple larger StarCraft's and eventually had a few of the larger Jayco's, two which had slide outs. I personally wouldn't touch a Coleman with the plastic roof unless it was to just flip it and make a few bucks. I just recently bought a small travel trailer, of course it's so much easier as there's hardly any set-up when compared to a pop up. A pop up is a heck of a lot easier to tow. I personally really like the hybrid trailers, just like a regular travel trailer, but also has all the extra sleeping area when the bunks are out. Pop up, travel trailer, 5th wheel or motor home, all water damage starts from the roof and destroys everything on down. Almost everyone either needed the cables adjusted or replaced, I think people are just excessively rough with them and don't properly stabilize. Good video.
Thanks! Yes, ALWAYS level and stabilize before putting them up or you'll put too much strain on the lift system. Great tips there. -S
Thanks for taking the time to do the video. I am in the market ! .Big help !
Go get after it Aven!
I agree about the fridge. I took mine out. I disagree about the furnace. It can extend your season up north and keep things warm & dry
For sure - all depends on where you're going! We spend most of our time in the South and Southwest
-Simon
Great video,,Just got a free 2000 coachmen hunter,,almost done restoring it cant wait to take it out this month
Awesome! 'Tis the season!!
awesome buying guide my dude you just saved me a huge headache
Thanks Chad, glad to help!
-Simon
REALLY REALLY HELPFUL !!! Thank you !!!!
Really really happy to help!
This was a wealth of information. Thank you!
Glad to help!
-Simon
i just sold a 2016 viking popup. never put grease on the cable. always had a problem going down the last 6 in. guess i should have greased it. i did grease the arms once a year. mine didn't have a/c. guess i could have added one.
From what I understand, even campers that don't have factory A/C are framed the same way with a 14" opening. They're cumbersome but not complicated! "
-Simon
@@LakeHubTV what kind of grease goes on the cable. general use, high temp. white lithium ?
All very good points....so many folks get stuck with a real problem camper.....I subbed and U keep going.....u r almost at the 1k summit :)
You know it!! Planning some fun videos coming up! Appreciate ya
-Simon
nice video - I appreciate the insights - but what about the brakes? Most of the campers I have been looking at have a braking system. Is this an item you don't care about?
No brakes on this here camper - but great point, definitely should test that out! Need to hook it up to do so
Hi there! Do you have any videos on how to fix or replace the top shell of the camper? Our oldie is not in bad shape, but we noticed a small leak on the top and how there’s a ring of water stain.
No we don't! It's a big process though. If you can fix it with silicone, it's best to do that first. Use "Pro Flex RV" brand sealant. It's expensive but worth it to protect your roof.
-Simon
Helpful video!! I am in the market for a new or hardly used pop up. Weve been using a rooftop tent and have all stand alone appliances: coleman camp stove, dometic cooler/fridge/freezer, solar panels and power stations, camp sink etc. Would you think it makes more sense to buy a 'bare bones' pop up that doesnt have any appliances? Looking at forest River OTG series. Thanks!
If you are used to that and outfitted for it already, thats a great stepping stone!
@@LakeHubTV thank you for the reply! From your perspective and experience, do you feel it's likely I would want to step up to a bigger/nicer model if I went with that OTG model? I'd rather skip the 'stepping stone's and just go right up to something I'll enjoy using for 15-20 years as my family grows. I appreciate your opinions! Thank you
On the fridge there are other options but they are expensive but they are in my understanding designed for rough living. I realize a lot of luxuries I will have to let go of & that's fine by me. I need peace not luxury. I love heat so summer isn't gonna be so bad but winter will be a challenge I think
Yes they're simple, but pop-ups are made for the simple life for sure! No big screens and satellite found here...
Good info! Wanna see more of your videos.
Thanks Daniel, we appreciate ya!
Thinking about getting one, great informative vid! Thanks.
Glad to help! Check out our camping playlist for more pop-up videos:
th-cam.com/video/iqFyUCg1x2A/w-d-xo.html
-Simon
Liked and Comment! Great info. Cheers from Tampa Bay 🌴
Cheers!!
Great job. Cannot agree more about the fridge. Yeah they work...kind of. Plus they are too small to be useful. We use ours for bread and things that can get crushed. They should just put in freezers designed to make ice for a larger cooler.
A factory ice machine would be AMAZING! We are thinking about getting one to plug in anyhow.
@@LakeHubTV I would like to put about 1200-1600W of solar on the roof and as a slide out awning. Then I can power regular appliances. I don't think the roof can handle the load of glass ones however which makes them much more expensive.
The plywood at around 6:39 … do you have a video or know of one for replacing just that panel (not the longer side panel)?
We don't have one, but it is NOT easy. The industrial adhesive that glues the siding to the wood is a bear to deal with. You pretty much have to take the camper apart... corner caps/trip off (those screws go into the end panel), strip siding off (if you are recovering that material), rebuild.
Great video, thanks for uploading! One question I have for you is that the bottom of my 2000 Viking has some wood rot on the underneath at the corners. It sat outside for years but is now in my garage, the wood is now dry, but flakes away if I touch it.
Is this a huge concern? I would imagine replacing the floor is not worth the hassle. Like I said it’s only the corners along the frame.
Thanks
That is very common for a camper that age. Only becomes a concern if the body actually loses stability in the corners
Great, thanks for the reply!
Great video very helpful !! Go F.C. Barcelona.
Thank you !!
Ha thanks Dale! Love me some football and futbol both
-Simon
Hey. Thanks so much for the info. Very helpful since we just bought our first pop up camper today as a matter of fact. But i have to ask. I noticed your shirt and am wondering if youre from the central texas area like temple/belton area. My son used to play on a soccer league team for fcb. Were from that area. Thought it was a pretty cool coincidence.
Just a coincidence! Messi fan, but who isnt. Do call TX home though and a fan of Lake Belton and Stillhouse Hollow
Great video! THANK YOU!
Thanks!!
Hell yea buy it
It’s just got to respect areas Go
Respect how you travel with it
And do with it
Don’t do crazy things your good
agreed!
Looking for a pop up camper. Thanks for the video!
Thanks! Let us know if you have any questions you run across
-Simon
@@LakeHubTV Here's one. I'm looking at a 2004 Starcraft this saturday. It's super clean. Is it a known good pop up? Or does brand even matter?
I've been thinking on a biiig big project that may never happen, which I know would be a labour of love, I'm not looking to do this for the sake of convenience in setting up, moreso for convenience when actually using it.
I'm a larper, which means I camp in medieval fantasy style, and I was working out if getting a fixer one would be feasible if I was to strip down and remake all the canvas from waterproof, flame retardant polycotton canvas. I have made a tent before, make things for a living, and have a product design background. I'm also pretty handy so I have a decent skillset to do this. I'd ideally be looking for one with the big front awning that covers up the door side of the trailer and the undersides of the popped up sides, making it easy to cover the last visible side. I'd then dress it up to look less modern. I can get away with having zips and the odd little modern bit here and there.
I don't need hot water, I don't need a fridge. I'm not sure if I really need power either, if so it'd be for the odd plug to charge devices. I live in the UK so wouldn't have one with air conditioning. I'd want it so I had somewhere comfortable to sleep, store my wheelchair (under a pop out part of the trailer that's still inside the tent awning) and provide a decent sized space for people to use in the day or crash in. I can get up steps slowly, walk small distances and I don't camp alone for my safety so I'm not concerned about using it.
Would this be doable? This video is a real help for avoiding possibly problematic purchases, but as someone who doesn't have as much experience as you, it's hard to tell if my theories right now are wrong.
Are you thinking you would use a pop-up style camper to do this, and build a bigger tent around it? Or scrapping the existing canvas and totally rebuilding?
@@LakeHubTV I'd scrap the existing canvas and use the original canvas as a pattern for new canvas in some that looks less modern. I see a lot of these campers in the UK with big awnings attached to the front of them, so I'd be remaking this too
Thanks for the advice and tips I’m on the lookout for my first pop up very helpful video thanks.
Glad to help! Go get 'em
I got a pretty good camper for the price but I notice the front wall closest to the hitch is slightly separated. So I probably need to replace some wood under the front sheet metal.. any vids on this? It's a 99 viking I think .
We don't, but that's quite a job. You have to remove the top trim, which is a job in itself, and then essentially rebuild. Unless you have major structural issues with it, you might let sleeping dogs lie. Or zip some metal roof screws (with rubber washers) in and hope that helps.
I have a question how would one go about repairing the inside of a 1984 Coleman Jamestown and also it is leaking a little bit how would I repair that on the outside the outside and inside?
well, you need to address the leak first. that is for certain. need to find its location, which is usually one of three places: the corner caps, the A/C unit, or one of the roof seams. if corners or seams, strip old caulk and recaulk with Pro Flex RV. if A/C, may need a new seal (or see if one corner is not as tight, and torque it down)
Excellent video 👍👍👍👏👏👏
Thank you 👍
You seem very knowledgeable to me so what's your stance on solar panels? Originally I wanted to go that route even though it's expensive but I found that after so many years they need replacing so I'm not sure I wanna do that
Ashley - installing solar panels on top can lead to issues no matter how they're installed. whether it's adhesives, screws, holes, brackets, etc. it might compromise the integrity of your camper's shell. all need to be sealed, covered for travel, frequently inspected, etc.
instead, mount them to a folding card table. they're light weight, inexpensive, portable, come in different sizes, adjustable height, directional, and disposable if necessary.
most important you can park the trailer in the shade while setting the panels out in the sun. I'm in Idaho. we have lots of desert and the sun is murder on a trailer.
Solar can be a great convenience especially if doing some rural camping. They're expensive but can be well worth it if you do dry camping a lot like in the mountains or desert.
The best setup I've seen is a series of big portable panels that people set up on the roof before cranking it up, that way they're not permanently installed, but you also don't get the benefit of them working on the highway. You also have to be wary of your battery setup, you'll need more battery power than the standard RV battery, such as several 12v batteries in series or parallel depending on your usage.
After tearing a roof apart and rebuilding, I wouldn't mount anything to the roof. They're too cheaply made.
Really agree stove, frig and toilet should not be in a pop up.
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We're looking at a 2007 Forest River Flagstaff, but the listing says the lift cable snapped & needs to be replaced. I fell in love with the layout & updates compared to anything else on the market. If the lift cable is it, is there a way to proceed by bringing it to a dealer or repair place?
That's pretty much a dealer / RV tech repair job. It's a simple contraption but 1) very critical and 2) not a simple installation. I wouldn't recommend that for DIY, and RV techs are in high demand. Unless you're getting a crazy deal, that might be a deal breaker! -Simon
@LakeHubTV Is that normally a sign of other issues, or is it a fairly independent issue?
its an independent issue, just shows a general lack of maintenance or attention
Great video, thanks man! I just subscribed. Looking at buying a Jayco Designer…fiberglass roof looks fine. Interior looks great, except one crack in the ceiling. Almost like what drywall tape looks like when peeling away from a joint. No stains. I wish I could post a pic. Any advice? Should I be worried?
Is that area soft at all compared to the rest of the ceiling? That would be the main concern. Otherwise it may have just flexed once like it was put up not perfectly level or something. If you dont think water damage, probably nothing to worry about. Campers are built with really light cheap materials
Looking to buy a used pop up, thanks so much for your video. Based on your experience with the roofs, what is a good solid brand you feel has the best roof construction? Since buying a new one is there a year you try and stay after? Like looking at 2006 right now would it make you nervous based on the age? Thanks again.
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I was wondering if you have the dimensions from the wall to the door of the fridge, I was thinking about taking it out and putting a 12v chest fridge on a slider in there.
Same make and model?
Do you any snswer abut replacing the roof from the inside ..like is it possible to replace by using a thin ballsome sheet . I don't know how to take it down ..
I have done it before, I used melamine so I didnt have to paint. It worked well. But it was WAY more project than I expected. Had to take the roof off and flip it over, remove rotten framing, scrape the aluminum, rebuild frame, glue in insulation, ceiling, install all exterior trim, and then I did bed liner on the outside to bulletproof it since hail damage is what caused it in the first place. It is a LOT. If you have ceiling damage then you have roof damage!
I’ve been looking for 2 of the refrigerator outside cover clips, do you know where to get? Thanks
You might need to call the manufacturer, sometimes they can send you unique pieces like that!
Very thorough! Thanks so much.
Happy to help!
Great great advice! Thanks
Glad to help!
What is that connection thing called for the electric
30 amp converter: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00192QB3I/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=lakehub0f-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00192QB3I&linkId=eb11536292c6ccdff4bdfca03aa3d516
Thank you. We are starting to look for a used one.
Go get 'em!
-Simon
@@LakeHubTV we are going to sell our boat and buy a pop up it’s just the two of us. We don’t fish but camping we would both enjoy. We have a tent it’s time to move up.
This is awesome 👏🏼 thank you.
Happy to help!
manufacturers say to level AFTER raising the top. It raises the center of gravity. Rock river being one of the biggest ones for this. I would much rather keep my warranty than follow advice.
You do you! Not a bad idea to level both before and after, great point about center of gravity. Approximate before hand, and exact after. Also doing it after your stabilizers are set is probably a good idea. I will contend that you can never be "too level", sooner the better!
-Simon
Big help, thanks. I'm deciding between a more expensive 2012 in great shape, and a 2006 in great shape except with a patched hole on the roof. Wasn't hail, but a bike dropped on it. They've never had leaking. Is that still a deal breaker?
I've bought a camper with patched hail damage, and as long as you are always checking it and making sure then it can be fine. But if that's EVER compromised you'll have a massive problem on your hands. I stored mine in the garage so I never worried too much, it only got weather when we were actually camping.
Simon
Thanks good info.
Thanks!
Fabulous video-! 🏆🏆🏆
Thanks!
Would you wa,want, to use marine plywood for end bed floors
They dont get much weather at all, I wouldnt worry about it
-Simon
Hello please can you let me know I I’ve been blessed with the same kind of camper and papa I like to know do they have people to come out and help me pop it up and fix it yes or no
There are mobile RV techs for repairs, but not typically for setting up
We're looking for something in the same size as your Palomino Pony. Based on your experience, what makes/models would you recommend in that size in a year range of 2010 - 2017?
We've also had a Flagstaff which is a Forest River brand, and was happy with it. Rockwoods (also FR) and Jaycos also seem to be pretty good. Colemans have ABS plastic roofs which crack eventually, but are very easily repairable at home - just need to keep an eye on it. To be honest, they're all built at about the same quality with very similar materials.
-Simon
Your video was awesome!thanks!
Glad it helped!
Found a 2007 fleetwood taos for sale in our area. Definitely a few leaks in the roof. It will need replacing, which I feel confidentdoing myself. Other than that it's in great condition. I can get it for $1500. Should I go for it or is it more trouble than it's worth?
It took us 80 man hours total to strip and rebuild the roof, but I learned so much that it would probably take us 30-40 hours to do another one. So it's totally up to you - do you have the room, the tools, the time and the skills to do it? You need at least twice the floor space as the camper takes, ideally 3x the space. We had exactly 2x and it was very cramped. I also would not even attempt to do it again unless we were using an oscillating tool like this one amzn.to/3xlpUDW for scraping glue off the inside of the roof surface. I got a lot of info from PopUpPortal.com search "roof" or "ceiling". You'll find out exactly what materials to use or avoid.
Good luck! -Simon
Super informative man. Thank you very much.
Glad to help!
-Simon
So if the corners are soft its a no go ?
If the corners are soft, look closely and ask questions! Check the integrity of the walls
@LakeHubTV thank you so much. I appreciate your videos they're super helpful👊
our fridge is original and works great.
Awesome - how old? Do you run it off 110v, 12v or propane?
@@LakeHubTV just site power. havent tried propane for ever with it.
Two things. I’m in a pop up group, and a lot of people said that their fridges got ice cold. Why do you think some are Arctic, and others are just over cool? Also, couldn’t mildew stains on the canvas be from packing up wet and not opening back up? I haven’t purchased one yet, so I just wanted to ask. Excellent tips!
In my experience, a pop-up fridge has about 8-10 years of good life, so if the camper's not that old then it might be ok. I think a camper that's 5-10 years old is the sweet spot for value, so fridges are going to be iffy in that range.
And yes, mildew on the canvas will be from water, which could definitely be from packing down wet - I see that occasionally when shopping. If it's all over, then that's probably what happened. If it's just in one spot, it's probably a roof leak.
Glad to help!
-Simon
Thanks for the great tips!
Thanks Denise! Glad it was helpful
-Simon
Awesome thanks
glad to help!
Do you stay at full campsites with showers, you have no hot water
We usually stay at campsites with showers, yes. At this stage of life we hardly do any really hard camping. Otherwise we don't miss hot water at the campsite, and can heat up any by stove if really needed
-Simon
Omg thank you! I want to buy a pop up for 3k, is that realistic ? Is it better to buy used by camping world ?
I bought the one in the video in that range, but that was before the plague. Different world. $4-5k is realistic for a decent used one, and you will always pay more at the dealer. -Simon
Good stuff, thanks!
Any time!
Wow, thanks for the concise information!
Glad to help, Chris!
So thorough! Thank you for the tips
You bet! Glad to help
That's so strange about your fridge experience. My Norcold in my Coleman Sun Valley works fantastic on 12 volts, electric, and LP. I've heard others say the same, but mine works very well.
One win for Coleman! I don't know if I would want to deal with the plastic roof since I live in hail country, but that's good to know.
-Simon
@@LakeHubTV I don't have the plastic roof thank goodness.
Thanks!
happy to help!
Very informative!!
Thank you!
Nice jersey bro. Visca Barca!!!
Ha thanks! I wear soccer jerseys all summer, best way to beat the heat
Is $4,000.00 for a mint condition 2006 Fleetwood Lakewood a good deal?
It's fair these days. Maybe a touch on the high side depending on your location.
-Simon
@@LakeHubTV thank you for the reply :)
Great video ,I just subscribed
Awesome, we appreciate you!
Amazing Thanks!
Happy to help!
Thanks
No problem!