Does Humanity Function as a Single Superorganism?

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  • @OmarFKuri
    @OmarFKuri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    A beekeeper thinks we're all bees? That's such a coincidence, my proctologist says were all assholes

    • @jenniferarnold-delgado3489
      @jenniferarnold-delgado3489 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Omar , you made me laugh out loud - thanks for that --

    • @samfisher1964
      @samfisher1964 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      the great asshole theory resonates much more.

  • @Xanthos581
    @Xanthos581 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'm a veterinarian, graduated in 1978. We always used anesthesia as did our predecessors. So ignorant to believe we didn't know animals felt pain before 1995. I had a difficult time watching the rest of the podcast.

    • @theinnerlight8016
      @theinnerlight8016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, there are countries outside of the US...
      Who knows if he referred to some foreign places?

    • @mattsaucer9992
      @mattsaucer9992 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yes. This is the point everyone says wtf.

  • @jedser
    @jedser 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I usually enjoy the pushback from Shermer, but he’s particularly being contentious and not allowing the guy to make his case, cutting him off, misunderstanding him (which makes the guy have to go back and repeat what he’s already said). He wasn’t like this talking to jordan Peterson, who got away with saying illogical things without pushback

    • @OmarFKuri
      @OmarFKuri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Absolutely disagree, this is a great exchange

    • @durablecgo4560
      @durablecgo4560 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Shermer wasnt doing the constant interrupting, despite Byron making some extreme claims. That he didnt argue very well.

    • @jedser
      @jedser 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're probably right because I could only bear 40 mins of it. It's on record whether there was constant interruption. And you wouldn't be able to argue well either if someone kept interrupting you while you're formulating your thoughts, extreme or not, which in itself is a meaningless value judgement that wouldn't have bothered Einstein or schrodinger. one thing we can both agree on is that this guy is definitely no Einstein or schrodinger @@durablecgo4560

    • @handleitnow
      @handleitnow 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think he actually put a very good balance in the story, a skeptic take to increase clarity. i haven't heard Jordan Peterson saying illogical things, can you name any?

    • @jedser
      @jedser 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@durablecgo4560 You're probably right because I could only bear 40 mins of it. It's on record whether there was constant interruption. And you wouldn't be able to argue well either if someone kept interrupting you while you're formulating your thoughts, extreme or not, which in itself is a meaningless value judgment that wouldn't have bothered Einstein or schrodinger. one thing we can both agree on is that this guy is definitely no Einstein or schrodinger.

  • @mayflowerlash11
    @mayflowerlash11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    An example of awesome emergence is the eye. Natural philosophers of the 19th century could not imagine how an eye could evolve from simple tissue. The evolutionists investigated and eventually described more than a dozen separate occasions or linages in which an eye evolved. Awesome.

    • @francesco5581
      @francesco5581 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Another thing here by chance hein ? The eye is just a filter to allow the brain/consciousness to feel colors.

    • @steveflorida5849
      @steveflorida5849 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      However, materialistic neurologists do Not know the source and origin of human Consciousness.

  • @cathybinder1111
    @cathybinder1111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Aunt Millie’s mind transforms into greater consciousness
    She is actually MORE present than she has ever been.
    Not what it looks like
    Stop talking over these blessed people
    Not over infants either
    Both of these scenarios cause great great harm 💜

    • @jenniferarnold-delgado3489
      @jenniferarnold-delgado3489 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cathy , I really enjoy both of your comments , and thank you for speaking up for the infants and the elderly , they are more present than the mess that emerges inbetween -- I think this mans thought is very important to take seriously , I look forwards to finding out what his next premise is .

  • @ChucksExotics
    @ChucksExotics 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    It's definitely not a 'single' superorganism. We are multiple superorganism, countries, ethnic groups, religions, races, etc... We aren't one big blob organism. Human groups are competing against each other.
    A single planetary superorganism would have no competition, no selection pressure, and no ability to reproduce, and couldn't evolve.

    • @NicoleTedesco
      @NicoleTedesco 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Biology is complicated. Sometimes, immune systems turns on the organism.

    • @piratessalyx7871
      @piratessalyx7871 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah a few minutes in and thought…okay weirdo idea to make a buck on another weirdo idea! You notice in the bee hive, no bees seek out to snuff out the life of another like the beastly humans we are….im gone!

    • @ChucksExotics
      @ChucksExotics 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@piratessalyx7871 what? Bees kill other bees all the time. In winter the female worker bees kill all the male bees and throw them out of the hive. This is within a single hive, not a fight between hives. Bees murder all the males in winter.

    • @KatherinePemberton
      @KatherinePemberton 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      bees sacrifice themselves for the hive peasant @@piratessalyx7871

  • @stargazer8718
    @stargazer8718 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The title, something I've been thinking a lot about. Can't wait until tonight to listen to this!

  • @peterz53
    @peterz53 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where's E.O. Wilson?

    • @patriciak8936
      @patriciak8936 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      strange he was never mentioned

  • @cathybinder1111
    @cathybinder1111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I FEEL LIKE THIS IS AN EASY ONE. I PERSONALLY CAN FEEL THE VARIOUS SOULS OF DIFFERENT CITIES. ✌️

  • @applemask
    @applemask 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Badly. Thanks for watching, like, comment, subscri

  • @OmarFKuri
    @OmarFKuri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did anyone get the 11 hundred joke at 1:14:26?

  • @minakoa7178
    @minakoa7178 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Misread this as ‘superorgasm’

    • @joeljentelson3810
      @joeljentelson3810 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I don’t know that TH-cam allows that conversation 😂

  • @meiyuc22
    @meiyuc22 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If a living being cannot do anything to cope with or deflect the pain, there's no use for pain to exist for them. but if a tree can do something about pain and discomfort in the environment, it might really have sense of pain. That's what I think.

  • @houndofzoltan
    @houndofzoltan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Your cells don't know you exist... but they don't "know" anything.

  • @Pacer...
    @Pacer... 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Skeptical
    as usual .Excellent micheal

  • @mayflowerlash11
    @mayflowerlash11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think emergent phenomenon is so diverse and improbable that it is hard to imagine how they emerge. People think about emergence and come up with a wide range of ideas or theories to explain that emergence.

  • @SuperMayhem81
    @SuperMayhem81 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Michael needs to shut up and let the guy talk!!!

    • @theinnerlight8016
      @theinnerlight8016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He needs to do nothing of the sort. It's his show.

  • @cathybinder1111
    @cathybinder1111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Byron Reese you are one of the most intelligent beautiful wise people I’ve ever experienced!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! WHAT AN IMPORTANT VISIONARY SCIENTIST YOU ARE!!!!🐝🐝🐝

  • @stoneneils
    @stoneneils 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is the kind of topic youtube was made for.

  • @mariushugo8304
    @mariushugo8304 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Michael should've let him speak more without so much pushback at the beginning.
    I never got a clear picture of what's actually in his book.

  • @houndofzoltan
    @houndofzoltan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What an "animal" is depends on how we define it, so I'm you can';t just test it: some definitions of animal just don't accept anything that isn't all part of one body. (Though you could certainly write a definition which would mean humans are a single giant organism.

    • @homewall744
      @homewall744 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who says humans are not animals?

    • @houndofzoltan
      @houndofzoltan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@homewall744 I mean human society is an organism, as he's suggesting. I'll edit it.

  • @ericdanielski4802
    @ericdanielski4802 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting video.

  • @chrisw8011
    @chrisw8011 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shermer was in an irritable mood, just immediately rips into the guy's main arguments, normally he listens for like an hour first

  • @kban77
    @kban77 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    30:00 this guest needs to look up current origin of life research. He's out to lunch. he had a good idea at the start of the talk about maybe considering societies as a superorganism in language classification. But he lost me when his repressed religious dogma started to bubble through.

    • @joeljentelson3810
      @joeljentelson3810 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I couldn’t get past 20 minutes. This guest is so much a pseudoscientist that I can’t believe Shermer brought him on his show. I mean, “the earth created humans to protect itself from a planet killing asteroid” 😮🤔 Is this guy aware that as the sun runs out of fuel, it will expand to encompass the earth? What then? Are we supposed to move the planet to a new “safe” zone 🤦

  • @sceliano
    @sceliano 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    40 minutes in... this was bad interviewing Michael... u were way 2 ideological as a skeptic. Which wouldn't be the problem only if u were making sense or good argument. But only thing im hearing is your ideology. Ironically considering the subject. Sure u brought some facts but they were irrelevant to the point. U didn't listen u wanted to be heard. So far I can't poke guests theory because u drowned the explanation with nonsense. Usually on ur off day u r too pasive.

  • @theinnerlight8016
    @theinnerlight8016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "You're very sure about all this."
    Continues to state to believe weird things without evidence. 😅

  • @claudiaxander
    @claudiaxander 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Considering the fact that 99.999% of people never create anything of the novel/beautiful/genius level that people think of when discussing the awesome uniqueness of human intelligence, then, we can at least assume that AI/AGI will replace 99.999% of our functions.

    • @francesco5581
      @francesco5581 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yes but living isnt "functioning" , is "feeling".

    • @theinnerlight8016
      @theinnerlight8016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@francesco5581So if I get braindamage or a psychological condition that cuts me off from my feelings, do you consider me no longer alive?

    • @francesco5581
      @francesco5581 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theinnerlight8016 you still feel ...learn...even in the worst conditions

    • @theinnerlight8016
      @theinnerlight8016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@francesco5581 In my question I stated being cut off from feeling and you reply by saying "you still feel".
      That's like me saying "I'm blind" and you replying "you still see."
      Learning doesn't have anything to do with it either.
      I doubt you thought any of this trough.

    • @francesco5581
      @francesco5581 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@theinnerlight8016 you simply dont know... until something is "alive" it still feel even with ALL the senses cut off, there is always a subconscious and maybe other things at work. And regarding "learning" its either of the 2 or we live for learn or its all pointless... it's up to each of us to choose one option.

  • @vanessa1569
    @vanessa1569 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I almost didn’t make it to the end of this discussion thanks to the rather combative Doubting Thomas; thankfully, when I picked it up again the Beekeeper had found his footing and I’m glad he did.

    • @durablecgo4560
      @durablecgo4560 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The skeptic was being minimally skeptical.

    • @theinnerlight8016
      @theinnerlight8016 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If he had gotten that bookkeeping badge instead of the beekeeping, would he now tell us that humans are a balance sheet? 😅

  • @meiyuc22
    @meiyuc22 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you duplicate a person, you just get a twin instantly, but that's not you, that's a copy of you.

  • @mayflowerlash11
    @mayflowerlash11 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The somehow of how consciousness arises in the brain is unknown simply because of our ignorance of how the brain works. In fact we are bereft of the ability to ask to right questions to find out. It is one of the great frontiers of knowledge.
    What constitutes a thought? If you work that out you will be famous.

    • @steveflorida5849
      @steveflorida5849 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the brain neurons are not the origin of thoughts, then the materialistic neurologists are lost in space.

  • @frankiecal3186
    @frankiecal3186 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shermer needs more living creatures on his hair line.

  • @patriciak8936
    @patriciak8936 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This was such a great concept . Pity that the author of the idea just wasn't able to support or argue his ideas.

    • @jenniferarnold-delgado3489
      @jenniferarnold-delgado3489 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If he had not been constantly interrupted and guided into the defense zone , I think he would have had a chance to explain in a way that we all could have enjoyed .

  • @danielpaulson8838
    @danielpaulson8838 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yes. We evolved in a collective an are more like complex individual cells living as humanity. And we have white corpuscles and cancer both. We are always growing and evolving. Alliances come and go.

  • @jjuniper274
    @jjuniper274 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope the cruises continue to be a thing.

  • @eximusic
    @eximusic 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Horton Hears a Who in reverse.

  • @meiyuc22
    @meiyuc22 หลายเดือนก่อน

    AI doesn't have intrinsic motivations.

  • @theccs5012
    @theccs5012 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Clint

  • @homewall744
    @homewall744 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No, society yes, community yes, voluntary associations yes, families yes, but that we're all just part of a big collective is false. Each human is a super-organism because we're not only made up of lots of cells doing different things, but we also have 50% of our cells are not even our DNA/body.

  • @BobbyFriston
    @BobbyFriston 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Consciousness alone is." Papaji

  • @BigTimeRushFan2112
    @BigTimeRushFan2112 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Is fire life? It technically meets all the definitions, but is it really? Or is saying its alive just more philosophical mumbo jumbo? Sorry, but Byron comes off as the type of person engaging in semantic mumbo jumbo, which makes it a shame he's wasted so much of his time and energy that otherwise could have been used on something actually needed by this mankind animal he dreams of.

  • @bryanutility9609
    @bryanutility9609 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why don’t you take a cruise ship to somewhere not Europe? Don’t you want to visit the Congo?

  • @keithbertschin1213
    @keithbertschin1213 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super annoying guest just wanted to hear himself

  • @peterz53
    @peterz53 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Re: Dawkins cruise: Nice to know that a bunch of smart privileged people totally ignore the environmental impact of traveling to and joining in a luxury cruise, when they could just read a few books or watch a few interviews. Disappointing but not a surprise.

    • @vanessa1569
      @vanessa1569 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Righteo Greta 🙄

    • @chb762
      @chb762 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Cry more for everyone

  • @dionysis_
    @dionysis_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh man. This is what religions have been saying all along 😂

    • @BigTimeRushFan2112
      @BigTimeRushFan2112 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah, all 10,000 of them...what a bunch of mumbo jumbo huh?

    • @dionysis_
      @dionysis_ 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BigTimeRushFan2112 Ok ok, don't be too literal. But certainly major religions have this understanding: Islam, Christianity, Hinduism. Mind you they go beyond but you know.. One step at a time.

    • @OmarFKuri
      @OmarFKuri 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      barely