I think you should do the tail-light conversion. These videos have been golden. Thank you for showing your failures and mishaps alongside the progress. Far more relatable and helps us all relate and feel more confident in our own projects
Totally agree. I gave up on a couple of projects due to a number of failures and ended up selling them. Thinking back, i wish i gave it a little more time and patience to achieve that project car that leaves you all smiles. G&G!
@@SataniaMcDowel it’s not going to blow up. But it’s going to have a thousand gremlins. They all do. Like randomly your airbags going off. Yea, that happened in my 2gb talon
During the "Crank til the starter burns" phase, you could hear when the engine started building oil pressure around 11 sec. Suddenly it spun over slightly faster, and a moment later oil came out of the hose. Neat.
Next time you need to prime an engine for oil psi when new or rebuilt, remove the spark plugs for the cranking & priming session, its both easier on the starter and will yield a higher rpm. Also removes compression load from the bearings while they are without oil pressure.
This is why every engine that I put together gets the oil pump spun by a drill to put oil where it belongs before I ever fire the car. Exception is if the engine is going to sit a while, but even then, it's no different than storing it over winter.
I just pull the oil pressure sender and take a oil can and pump oil in the galley till it pushes the tip of the can off of the block that or pack a little Vaseline in the pump so it has good suction on initial crank the Vaseline stays put if it sits for a while before install also
Watched the auction, timer runs down to a min, someone pushed it to 41.250, and no more bids till timer reached 0. Only 1 single last minute bid. @@MarkGibbons
For the 4g63, always prime the engine before putting the timing belt on. Drill to the oil pump for a solid like 5 minutes until you see oil squirting from the rockers. Then you know you're good.
doesnt take 5 minutes. every 4g63 i've primed with a drill was firing oil out of the top of the rockers within 5 seconds. if you assembled the car with assembly lube, you dont need to prime anything. an oil change also bares the pickup, so unless you put the engine together dry, you dont even need to prime anything, but we all do it anyway.
I really appreciate you giving insight to the journey of car builds on YT. I feel like more often than not I just see "this is my 1000 HP thing" and turns out it has been a year in the works.
Grounds are the culprit for so many failures. Seen this be a fix on a lot of my cars, including my current one. Congratulations Ben on your 500+ horsepower beast. This was a worthwhile project.
If you're trying to prime a motor for the first time, pull the plugs if you can! The motor will turn over much easier and faster! Less work for the battery and starter.
I have a 2ga talon, and I have a TH-cam channel in which I literally just did the spacer mod to fit my precision 62/62. I used a cast iron manifold that I ported and used a flange as a spacer. Yours and mine should make boost very well with those short runners!
Hence my username, I have a 1998 AWD Turbo Eagle Talon TSi, my DSM. I been trying to find a 3S platform, preferably an RT Twin Turbo Stealth. Modded of course, used to be my DD, 500 ish wheel. Kept the 2gb body intact unmodified, no rice body kits. I also threw on 2ga side skirts, I have the Indy fire engine red paint scheme I believe. Glad to see some love for our poor man's Supra aka our forgotten Mitsubishi's. Mitsu is a shadow of its former self.
As always awesome video! The eagle talons have a special place in my heart but I noticed something off on the dyno… sounds like a cylinder is down but not all the time. Maby spark blow out or low compression or a burnt/bad sealing valve. Something is definitely off and at your power level you gotta make sure everything is 100% or it’s a bad day I know this project has been a pain but that’s just DSM’s in general 😢😂
yeah it sounded bad to me but my ears are blocked up right now and I can't tell if it was just the mic or what. Kenny knows what he's doing though so I'd expect him to have caught something major and not to mention Ben and Mark are experienced too
@@5PYZ3Rthat makes sense i guess. Seemed like the whole engine was rocking a lot during the pulls when you would expect the power to be shoving it 1 direction without rocking
But then if you let it sit or sell it that’s the only car you think about and will always have that empty feeling. 😢. I gave up on my mk3 Supra build for 6 years before I sold it and 3 years later after selling it I always hear the down shifts echoing in my head when exiting the freeway or coming to a stop.
@raidersperez1278 damnnnn broo I too had a mk3 supra (actually 2 an 88 and a 92) I miss the hell out the 88 since it was in the family since 1992 and my dumbass sold it 🤦♂️ Now own an ep3 civic 😪
@@raidersperez1278 yeah bro im fighting with myself on whether to sell my car or not. I know I will regret it, especially not having another quick vehicle around. I probably only take it out 3-4 times a month, but when I do I love it. 🤙
@@TexasVexes i used the money to help pay for my 21 type r. Before I started working on the Supra and it was 100% stock (besides basic necessities) it was my daily to work. It was maybe 15 miles to and from. But then I moved out of my home town and those 15 miles turned to 75 miles both ways. I regret selling her but it was a huge weight being lifted off my shoulders. I would be at work just stressing and thinking about what could be wrong with it. Plus I live in Cali so it was getting Ridiculous trying to get smog check. (Under the table of course). Type r is boring compared to a RWD 80s turbo car but a lot more comfy. 😂
That look in your eyes after the first pull did bring a tear in my eyes. You either love or hate Eclipses, im pretty sure you love yours now since it did behave accordingly this time ❤
Kenneth Mcdonald is the man! Local guy here ive known for years and years, he was my go to for when i got into my talon back in 2017. he still tunes my 1g Eagle talon tsi awd and he is the man! BlackSheepTuning ftw!!
To prime a fully assembled 4g63 without constantly cranking it, take out the brake booster fitting on the rear of the intake manifold, and put that in the oil pressure port on the oil filter housing. Use a screw on fluid pump that you can buy for gear oil and get a quart of oil and pump away. Keep pumping until you see oil come out of the rockers. I've done it many times on my 1g and gvr4 builds.
Ben, I geeked out over the welding shots from inside the pipe. I've been watching fabrication stuff for years and I don't think I've seen anyone shoot it like that. Brilliant shot.
I just want to give a shout out to the editor on mixing the sound welding into the music. Well done! That said...the music this entire episode was amazing. Loved it.
every time i take a car to the Dyno makes me feel like I have to go with the fire fighters because I have that feeling where all of it is going to blow up. Good numbers on the talon long Ben. Congrats!
Your friggin chapter titles get me every time hahaha. Last one is hilarious. Also props to whoever selects the music for these vids. It's always good, but the attention to detail in picking tracks that are in-tune with the welding buzz is just the right amount of extra.
@13:46 You can see that AN line on the left of the fuel pressure regulator dripping a little bit, not sure if this was caught or if its 12am and I am seeing things but loving this content!
Congratulations on doing such a large swap as an enthusiast. The only tip I have is I don’t recommend cranking a car like this to get oil pressure in a manual transmission . You should always remove the spark plugs if you’re going to crank the engine in order to get oil pressure. This is so that the engine will spin faster. However, if you have a clutched car, I don’t recommend doing this because you’re going to push the clutch into a dry thrust washer in the engine and possibly damage it causing crank. You are better off using a pressurized tank and just start the engine shortly afterwards
where i come from people think im weird for not selling my 97 GSX, ive had multiple newer faster toys up to this point in my life but ik wen im done building her the way i want nothing will compare. ty Ben! for proving my point.
I think it looks tits! mind you in Canada we only got the talons and lasers, all the eclipse's we got were imported from states side......and the last how many years canadian talons are being imported states side like crazy.
I believe all the team work has proved to make the talon worthy! Awesome to see it putting down healthy numbers,im sure it will make for some epic runs to the grocery store... as always G&G is putting out top notch vids,I can't wait to see the what's next
Kenny and I are so damn similar. I typically tune on the conservative side, but if someone tells me to give 'em that "Bring a Trailer tune"... I'm gonna be putting your head gasket program to the test.
Heyy anyone thats about to buy the eclipse merch please buy a size up your size, for example i bought an XL and im a large because i wanted it oversized but it fits me like a snugg Large! Just your friendly helper for anyone buying merch! ❤️
I'm glad the dyno session was thrown in with this episode because the time was winding down and i was saying to myself, they better put the dyno session on the end of this!! 😂😂 good episode!!
I forgot to comment that Ben's Australian accent is the best thing ever and I need an episode or an Australian car build series with it (Like a Commodore or Speedster/VX220 or something Australian). It's great! I guess Ben's accent's in general is funny though, the Camaro and accent was hilarious.
Have you guys done a compression test on that engine recently? Because it sounds really weird on one of the cylinders when you're cranking it. Three cylinders sound one way and then the last one sounds weird. Could be compression, could be nothing.
Reply to my comment with your hp guess, then respond to your comment with how far off you were. Closest guess gets personal satisfaction.
I guessed 450 but I also guessed it would crankwalk at the dyno in true DSM fashion.
500 hp
Edit: I was 34 hp too low lol
guessed 520 with that turbo
510
Guessing 350 hp
I think you should do the tail-light conversion. These videos have been golden. Thank you for showing your failures and mishaps alongside the progress. Far more relatable and helps us all relate and feel more confident in our own projects
Without failures and mishaps this video would be about 9 minutes long
I agree eclipse tails will looks far better.
100% eclipse tail lights
Totally agree. I gave up on a couple of projects due to a number of failures and ended up selling them. Thinking back, i wish i gave it a little more time and patience to achieve that project car that leaves you all smiles. G&G!
Yes the tail lights please!
This is really why Ben sold the STI. He didn’t want that car to be embarrassed by this death trap.
I mean, Ben's STI could have made like 800-900 with a different turbo, but I see your point. 😂
@@coltondoescars I was just goofin’ for funsies.
@@am55255 funsies
@@coltondoescars wouldn’t matter too much the car is heavy asf 🤣
@@isaiahdanielvlog I wouldn't call 3400 lbs that heavy nowadays. Certainly a lot more than the Talon, though.
Kenny is a necessary part of this channel
Ben: "You want a Subaru?
Kenny: "NO." 😂
Laughs at Smeedia and MrSubaru channels
“Almost, maybe, might just drive.”
No, this thing is 100% gonna rip
It's a DSM , something is bound to happen
@@SataniaMcDowel it’s not going to blow up. But it’s going to have a thousand gremlins. They all do. Like randomly your airbags going off. Yea, that happened in my 2gb talon
@@IcanDriveItLmao
"im asian i cant get cancelled for this" 😂
Excellent editing! The way the TIG sound melds into the music (chef's kiss)
Andrew is an artist
You recognized that too!!! Thought I was alone.
music melted into music
Came here to say this, wonderful sound design!
Lmfao the Australian accent is spot on. 😭😭😭
Remarkably good lol.
@@michaelallen2501 remaaarkably good?
@@NotAnotherCar 😂😂😂
Nah, it was more kiwi than Australian
The welding syncing to the music is so good
it's giving me gran turismo vibes
Plantation - Omri Smadar
Is the song that is played during the fab work
Sounds like pron music
even in the exact same key... as a musician so satisfying...
“I’ll lift the head straight off the studs” 🤣🤣
Foreshadowing 😅
We need more of Kenny on the channel, absolutely love the interactions with him and the G&G gang
"You tryin to run more boost?"
"It's a DSM ain't it?"
Driver
Slash
Mechanic.
30:48 has aged brilliantly.
A man of his word😂
During the "Crank til the starter burns" phase, you could hear when the engine started building oil pressure around 11 sec. Suddenly it spun over slightly faster, and a moment later oil came out of the hose.
Neat.
Next time you need to prime an engine for oil psi when new or rebuilt, remove the spark plugs for the cranking & priming session, its both easier on the starter and will yield a higher rpm. Also removes compression load from the bearings while they are without oil pressure.
This is why every engine that I put together gets the oil pump spun by a drill to put oil where it belongs before I ever fire the car. Exception is if the engine is going to sit a while, but even then, it's no different than storing it over winter.
I just pull the oil pressure sender and take a oil can and pump oil in the galley till it pushes the tip of the can off of the block that or pack a little Vaseline in the pump so it has good suction on initial crank the Vaseline stays put if it sits for a while before install also
Ben got hosed with his sti, and Asian Ben got hosed with his eclipse.
What happened to the sti?
@@MarkGibbons Ben sold it
Barely cleared 41k @@MarkGibbons
Watched the auction, timer runs down to a min, someone pushed it to 41.250, and no more bids till timer reached 0.
Only 1 single last minute bid.
@@MarkGibbons
@@ZackNakazora1 it did have 90k miles but new motor and some nice upgrades. pretty sure he didnt lose money on it though.
Moral of the story is, Ben can't be cancelled for anything.
I'm like the titanic: unsinkable
@@GearsandGasoline know any good jokes about God's chosen people?
For the 4g63, always prime the engine before putting the timing belt on. Drill to the oil pump for a solid like 5 minutes until you see oil squirting from the rockers. Then you know you're good.
Solid strategy.
doesnt take 5 minutes. every 4g63 i've primed with a drill was firing oil out of the top of the rockers within 5 seconds. if you assembled the car with assembly lube, you dont need to prime anything. an oil change also bares the pickup, so unless you put the engine together dry, you dont even need to prime anything, but we all do it anyway.
Currently this is my favourite build on TH-cam. I love seeing DSM content. Keep up the good work
I really appreciate you giving insight to the journey of car builds on YT. I feel like more often than not I just see "this is my 1000 HP thing" and turns out it has been a year in the works.
I love the chapter names lmao. Also the guy that welded the exhaust and coolant lines is insanely good
Grounds are the culprit for so many failures.
Seen this be a fix on a lot of my cars, including my current one.
Congratulations Ben on your 500+ horsepower beast. This was a worthwhile project.
mark is the best car buddy to have. he's a guy i like seeing on the videos
Wow, I never realized how smoothly those band saws cut through metal piping.
If you're trying to prime a motor for the first time, pull the plugs if you can! The motor will turn over much easier and faster! Less work for the battery and starter.
Yes. Less pressure makes sense.
Big flex with the evo 8 ofh, can probably get another dsm chassis for what those are worth 😂
You're not kidding.
I bought Valvoline gear oil because y’all showed me how easy it is to use the bag. Thanks G&G!
Don't put it in a DSM trans. GL4 ONLY. The magic GL3/4/5 are garbage for the W5M33.
@@AWD_DSM_FTW well i put it in the rear diff of a 4Runner so…
Wish the eclipse taillights could be put together with the new chassis. It looks so much better than the talon's taillights.
I have a 2ga talon, and I have a TH-cam channel in which I literally just did the spacer mod to fit my precision 62/62. I used a cast iron manifold that I ported and used a flange as a spacer. Yours and mine should make boost very well with those short runners!
Hell yeah!!! Jazzed on this and that I got to be a part of it!!
I'm really digging the Ridge Racer R4 style music during the welding montage. Nostalgia for the win
Hence my username, I have a 1998 AWD Turbo Eagle Talon TSi, my DSM. I been trying to find a 3S platform, preferably an RT Twin Turbo Stealth. Modded of course, used to be my DD, 500 ish wheel. Kept the 2gb body intact unmodified, no rice body kits. I also threw on 2ga side skirts, I have the Indy fire engine red paint scheme I believe. Glad to see some love for our poor man's Supra aka our forgotten Mitsubishi's. Mitsu is a shadow of its former self.
As always awesome video!
The eagle talons have a special place in my heart but I noticed something off on the dyno… sounds like a cylinder is down but not all the time. Maby spark blow out or low compression or a burnt/bad sealing valve.
Something is definitely off and at your power level you gotta make sure everything is 100% or it’s a bad day
I know this project has been a pain but that’s just DSM’s in general 😢😂
yeah it sounded bad to me but my ears are blocked up right now and I can't tell if it was just the mic or what. Kenny knows what he's doing though so I'd expect him to have caught something major and not to mention Ben and Mark are experienced too
actually on instagram he says the rear mount was loose
@@5PYZ3Rthat makes sense i guess. Seemed like the whole engine was rocking a lot during the pulls when you would expect the power to be shoving it 1 direction without rocking
Awesome video as always Ben and Mark.
I said when you first got this car that it would be a gem when you fixed it up. Don't get rid of it man, this is an awesome build.
They're never truly done, its just where you decide to stop.
But then if you let it sit or sell it that’s the only car you think about and will always have that empty feeling. 😢. I gave up on my mk3 Supra build for 6 years before I sold it and 3 years later after selling it I always hear the down shifts echoing in my head when exiting the freeway or coming to a stop.
@raidersperez1278 damnnnn broo I too had a mk3 supra (actually 2 an 88 and a 92)
I miss the hell out the 88 since it was in the family since 1992 and my dumbass sold it 🤦♂️
Now own an ep3 civic 😪
@@raidersperez1278 yeah bro im fighting with myself on whether to sell my car or not. I know I will regret it, especially not having another quick vehicle around. I probably only take it out 3-4 times a month, but when I do I love it. 🤙
@@TexasVexes i used the money to help pay for my 21 type r. Before I started working on the Supra and it was 100% stock (besides basic necessities) it was my daily to work. It was maybe 15 miles to and from. But then I moved out of my home town and those 15 miles turned to 75 miles both ways. I regret selling her but it was a huge weight being lifted off my shoulders. I would be at work just stressing and thinking about what could be wrong with it. Plus I live in Cali so it was getting Ridiculous trying to get smog check. (Under the table of course). Type r is boring compared to a RWD 80s turbo car but a lot more comfy. 😂
@@raidersperez127875 miles each way. Wow 😅
The build series are actually my favorite. Thanks for putting so much effort into these.
4:16 Obsessed with the welder being in the same key as the song.
6:25 "I did not say that."
hahahahahaha
My wife is Japanese and the entire country of Japan approves of the katakana English, congrats ギアズアンドガソリン
That look in your eyes after the first pull did bring a tear in my eyes.
You either love or hate Eclipses, im pretty sure you love yours now since it did behave accordingly this time ❤
Time stamps are hilarious. also you totally should do the taillight conversion. talon tail lights look pretty whack
Talon lights are neat. I don't hate them.
Love watching these every week it keeps me working on my dsm
The audio, cinematography and humor is on point, can’t get enough of this content
Wow! I didn't expect that kind of power! Great job guys!
Kenneth Mcdonald is the man! Local guy here ive known for years and years, he was my go to for when i got into my talon back in 2017. he still tunes my 1g Eagle talon tsi awd and he is the man! BlackSheepTuning ftw!!
Aayyyeeee
This are the type of videos that revive my hype for continuing my kouki S14. Thanks for everything guys for keep on being down to earth like all of us
To prime a fully assembled 4g63 without constantly cranking it, take out the brake booster fitting on the rear of the intake manifold, and put that in the oil pressure port on the oil filter housing. Use a screw on fluid pump that you can buy for gear oil and get a quart of oil and pump away. Keep pumping until you see oil come out of the rockers. I've done it many times on my 1g and gvr4 builds.
Ben, I geeked out over the welding shots from inside the pipe. I've been watching fabrication stuff for years and I don't think I've seen anyone shoot it like that. Brilliant shot.
I love this series so much. Probably my favorite on YT currently.
Sunday night lunch breaks are much better with a new G&G upload.
Dsm's are beasts..... Solid tune there Ben. I should be getting him to tune my 98 talon!
That aussie accent is coming along nicely
I just want to give a shout out to the editor on mixing the sound welding into the music. Well done! That said...the music this entire episode was amazing. Loved it.
The shot in the down pipe while welding was too cool!
Great choice in music. I’m so tired of generic snare drums/ hip hop beats everyone else does.
I love how when he was welding the back track matched up, the welding sounded like synth awesome editing
every time i take a car to the Dyno makes me feel like I have to go with the fire fighters because I have that feeling where all of it is going to blow up. Good numbers on the talon long Ben. Congrats!
Thank you for featuring dsm!! This was such an entertaining watch.
MY CAR IS FAST CUZ I GOT GUAGE PODS 🔥🔥🗣🗣
Andrewis the only person on TH-cam I've seen that doesn't make excuses for his welds...since they're good.
Your friggin chapter titles get me every time hahaha. Last one is hilarious. Also props to whoever selects the music for these vids. It's always good, but the attention to detail in picking tracks that are in-tune with the welding buzz is just the right amount of extra.
@13:46 You can see that AN line on the left of the fuel pressure regulator dripping a little bit, not sure if this was caught or if its 12am and I am seeing things but loving this content!
Every shot that Kenny is in is always funny as hell 😂
Andrew is sharp on his work ethic, a master welder!
*When I prime my engines I disable the fuel pump and remove the spark plugs.
Congratulations on doing such a large swap as an enthusiast.
The only tip I have is I don’t recommend cranking a car like this to get oil pressure in a manual transmission . You should always remove the spark plugs if you’re going to crank the engine in order to get oil pressure. This is so that the engine will spin faster. However, if you have a clutched car, I don’t recommend doing this because you’re going to push the clutch into a dry thrust washer in the engine and possibly damage it causing crank. You are better off using a pressurized tank and just start the engine shortly afterwards
you know when you are priming an engine, its much easier on the starter if you remove the spark plugs and let the engine spin almost resistant free.
where i come from people think im weird for not selling my 97 GSX, ive had multiple newer faster toys up to this point in my life but ik wen im done building her the way i want nothing will compare. ty Ben! for proving my point.
Man I reeeeeaaally wanna see a talon wing on it. Good job bringing it back to life guys! Job well done!
The rear end will just never grow on me😂 but love how far this build/chassis swap has come thus far
I think it looks tits! mind you in Canada we only got the talons and lasers, all the eclipse's we got were imported from states side......and the last how many years canadian talons are being imported states side like crazy.
@@robbalinski1606 learnt something new today, had no idea
It would look better without the wing and with black Talon lettering in the middle
I don’t know why this channel makes me smile so much.
I believe all the team work has proved to make the talon worthy! Awesome to see it putting down healthy numbers,im sure it will make for some epic runs to the grocery store... as always G&G is putting out top notch vids,I can't wait to see the what's next
When Ben does the Aussie accent always makes me laugh because it’s pretty good.
When you guys started pulling the motor first time on dyno, it sounded so smooth and I know we are gonna see some good numbers.
😂😂😂 no one ever catches the chapter label names,, they're hilarious 🤣
Kenny and I are so damn similar. I typically tune on the conservative side, but if someone tells me to give 'em that "Bring a Trailer tune"... I'm gonna be putting your head gasket program to the test.
Damn right
The new front bumper looks gorgeous! Those plates make it look a million times better than the standard bumper in my eyes.
Can’t ever get enough of the content these guys produce. Hands down the best, keep it up fellas much love from Australia
Nice to see you guys re-hired Mark 🙂
One of the best channel out there ! you guys always bring fun caracters to the show and the vibe in general is just awesome ! let it rip !
God damn this thing is gonna rip......itself apart most likely, but its a DSM so that is part of the fun.
Although similar the eclipse for sure the better looking car. Personally prefer the eclipse rear end. It looks so much more better designed
The eclipse front and the talon rear is such a cool look, the car just looks like its fast cant wait for the driving vid.
Kenny is the funniest dude he said like 3 words and I pissed my self
On a relaxing Saturday evening, there is nothing quite like watching a G&G episode, all the way from Nairobi.
When the note the Tig made matched frequency with the elevator DnB, the hairs on the back of my neck stood up and I went 😩 GGNNNNNEEEEUUUUUUHHHH
Heyy anyone thats about to buy the eclipse merch please buy a size up your size, for example i bought an XL and im a large because i wanted it oversized but it fits me like a snugg Large! Just your friendly helper for anyone buying merch! ❤️
I'm glad the dyno session was thrown in with this episode because the time was winding down and i was saying to myself, they better put the dyno session on the end of this!! 😂😂 good episode!!
I forgot to comment that Ben's Australian accent is the best thing ever and I need an episode or an Australian car build series with it (Like a Commodore or Speedster/VX220 or something Australian). It's great! I guess Ben's accent's in general is funny though, the Camaro and accent was hilarious.
that Aussie accent is perfect, can confirm am Australian
8:19 Like the 80% Arms sticker
So happy to see a Talon getting all the attention
Seeing go past 500 was glorious. The eclipse/talon is coming back super strong 🔥
Ben: I love the voices, please continue. You won't get cancelled if you call it inclusion
Your channel has become one of my top favourites. Thank you. 🎉🎉
The PWR logo on the intercooler lines up perfect on the 2005-2010ish BF Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo
The way you mixed the music in with the AC tig welding was nice.
That was a solid “NO” from Ken.
Have you guys done a compression test on that engine recently? Because it sounds really weird on one of the cylinders when you're cranking it. Three cylinders sound one way and then the last one sounds weird. Could be compression, could be nothing.