@@popculturallychallenged - While watching you being annoyed that you didn't get to see them arrive to their final location, the old phrase that popped into my head was _" ... It's not the Destination that matters, it is the journey ... "_
Someone literally said to me "Nobody can make me watch lord of the rings" in a defiant voice. I said OK your loss! Those people are just stubborn idiots. Waste of time and energy. lol
"A Pop Culturally Challenged is never late, nor are they early. They react to The Lord of the Rings precisely when they meant to." The fact that this came from the mind of one man is beyond belief, the depth of the lore, histories and languages is legendary. A lot of these themes of this story stemmed from Tolkien's experience as a soldier in World War 1. You can actually still go to the Shire in New Zealand to this day. They even have second breakfast.
@popculturallychallenged My mother lives just down the road from Hobbiton! As a Kiwi, it's always fun to see how beautiful everyone sees our 'back yard' as. We're very lucky.
I mean...can you really say it came from the mind of one man? Authors and world builders don't exactly exist as independent entities, but are naturally dependent on the interconnected web of minds that originated all the epics and myths and legendaria that they rely upon in their own work.
@@WheresWaldo05The enemy wasn’t ready. The fortress of Barad dur was under construction for years and Sauron didn’t know where the ring was exactly…It was not until Orcs captured Gollum and tortured him to tell them who took the Ring.
It was an amazing three years journey but we get appeased by the release of extended versions a couple of weeks before the next movie was released. So you could make an amazing marathon each year
I'm really surprised that Toni, who normally cries extremely easily, didn't even tear up over Gandalf's and Boromir's deaths!! I've seen so many men break down, especially over Boromir's brave last fight and his selfless, noble death and Aragorn's compassionate response to Boromir's shame over trying to take the ring. It's so odd to me how such tragic losses didn't seem to move Toni at all.
The 20 minutes of credits at the end of "Fellowship" included everybody that had been involved in the fan website that was launched when the movie series was announced. Anyone that took part in online discussions was given the opportunity to have their name listed. I was one of those fans. I won tickets to the Fellowship premiere in Orlando,Fl. I have a 18" replica statue of Gandalf that I won on-line. I have a replica "Sting" sword that looks and is as heavy as a real sword. But when you slide a switch, it glows blue and hums! My wife an I attended a LOTR marathon when the "Return of the King" was released. It included the Extended editions of the first two movies as well. It started @ 9:30 am, included meals & breaks between the movies and movie related giveaways. It ended the next morning at 1:30 am... and 10 years later we did the "Hobbit" movies at the same theater the same way!!!
@@popculturallychallenged 3000 plus people were involved from all different factions of job types and Peter Jackson kept them focused for several years prior and post production! There are many hours of behind the scenes stuff that are dull on documentaries showing they all became one big family. I can link the playlist for you to react to starting with the first few videos. Put on the thumbnail: 1-4 as if they're episodes. And react to them in portions like that!
Oh hey, I'm in there too! I'm constantly surprised my name is still on there after all these years. I remember when I found out I could have my name there, I figured that 1 - who knew if it'd be as good as it turned out it was so who would care to see it if it was really bad? But also, who knew how long they'd keep the super long credits after they were in theaters and after like.. the first dvd printing? I honestly thought after a few years they might have taken us out of the credits and I was okay with that - I was fine just having my name in them for a few years. All these years later and I was so wrong! It's still there! AND people still love them after all these years. Seems crazy thinking back that I was even worried about either of those things, lol.
2 advice for Toni: 1. Think of this trilogy as a TV serie. You wouldn't expect the characters to reach their end goal after a couple of episodes. Same with LoTR. 2. Split each remaining movie down the middle to avoid the exhaustion of 3.5 hours movies. There are natural breaking points in the story to do this. The DVD were split on 2 discs... That creates four 1.5-2 hour episodes that can be watched daily.. This is much easier to digest for people with short attention span.
The giant statues near the end (The Argonath) were NOT CGI...but very large miniatures (they even started calling them bigatures) that were used for filming...then dubbed into the overall shot. Being a model maker for Peter Jackson would be my dream job.
I went to the premiere with a bunch of work friends. I didn’t think I’d like it either. I ended up buying the books and read them all before the second movie came out the following year. I HAD TO KNOW what happened! I couldn’t wait for the next movie to find out. Been a LOTR fan ever since ❤
@@joellenglass2344 The Silmarillion too? Children Of Hùrin? Morgoth's Ring?, 12 volumes of Histories Of Middle Earth? Fall Of Gondolin? Laws And Customs Of The Eldar? What about the others as well? Such as Tom Shippey's Road To Middle-Earth?
Liv Tyler (daughter of Steven Tyler or Aerosmith) fell in love with the Elvish language. She studied the books and became fluent in Elvish. She can still speak it today. She's a great actress. Her role in these movies and her role in Armageddon are amazing.
"How do they know that are good mushrooms" ... - Hobbits have a PASSION for mushrooms - In the book there is a chapter called "A shortcut to mushrooms" and - it was actually a YOUNG FRODO who had been "stealing mushrooms" on farmer Maggot's land and the whole "Merry + Pippin steal" is movie stuff.
@@popculturallychallenged That whole bit of "Frodo and Gandalf leaving together" introduces a BIG "temporal flaw", because the voyage of Frodo to Bree would have taken 2-3 weeks, but [if you take a look at the map] Gandalf planned to do the "40 days trip to Saruman AND BACK" in the same time ... even though he had a horse, that wouldnt have been fast enough to make it. In the book Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin and some other friends leave for the eastern border of the Shire (they try to cover up their tracks so few people know where Frodo actually is) leave a few months after Gandalf starts on the trip to Saruman. That allows for the necessary time for Gandalf to be waiting in Bree ... if he hadnt been imprisoned by Saruman.
HEY TONI - your feeling of "I can't believe they're not there yet" is a plot device in the book and carried over into film making. As long as the journey seems to us.... it was still even longer AND harder. a great thing to keep in mind. in the movies situations feel as though they may have taken days but they actually took months or LONGER. For instance, the time span within "Fellowship" movie, when Gandalf left the ring with Frodo to "keep it safe" and when he got got back and threw the ring in the fire to discover the writing on it, was just 2 scenes in the movie but in actual time Gandalf was gone for 17 years! SO this 1 movie covers a time span of almost 20 years. 🤯
Toni, what you need to remember is that The Lord of the Rings isn't three separate novels; it's a single story that was split into three books by the publisher.
That's like asking what happens after Dorothy gets home to Kansas. Once she got home the movie was over. If they would have made their destination it would be over.
Toni said she was expecting 3 self contained movies, not 1 movie spread over 3. Something more like Star Wars where each movie could stand on its own. 🙂
I truly believe that Tolkien has written the greatest fantasy story ever, and that Peter Jackson has fully captured the awesome beauty, the incredible magnitude of the adventure, the shear, unparalleled scope and greatness of the story, and the total essence of this trilogy that Tolkien created. As I was growing up, and had read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, the commonly expressed opinion was that only via animation could Tolkien's creations be put on screen. Peter Jackson has given to the entire world a true masterpiece in cinematic achievement. These Lord of the Rings films will, forever, be considered the greatest screenplay adaptation in movie history! What a truly amazing gift J.R.R. Tolkien and Peter Jackson have given to the world!
Agreed. There would be no such mythical beings in common human identification without Tolkien's imagination. From 'Harry Potter' to 'A song of ice and fire' to 'The legend of Zelda' . Every fantasy book, film or video game made ever since owes homage to Tolkien.
@@chrisking6667he is 100% the creator of modern fantasy. Genuinely a master of the genre and Jackson adapted it exactly as it was meant to be. A perfect rendition.
@@KodisageI'm a massive book fan so always find something to displease me in a film adaptation. As for the LOTR films I believe Jackson has come the closest to doing a book justice than any other film ever has or will. I love the Harry Potter book series, I despise the films. I love the Enders Game series and they completely fudged that film up beyond recognition.
@@chrisking6667the reference point was our endless treasure trove of mythologies and cultures spanning from Finnish, Welsh, Irish, to Norse and so forth!
I have seen a few reactors that just dismissed this movie and gave it a bad grade becourse they hate sequels and refused to watch the two other movies. They went into it, just like the starwars movies, were every movie has a beginning, a middle and a some what of an independent conclusion.
@@popculturallychallenged you’ll love watching the behind the scenes how it was made content. You’ll get more than you bargained for. I got the links ready for you. I’ll send them when you get to the third movie. Maybe make a community post where then I’ll simply post it there and then you can simply watch the playlist top to bottom in groups with thumbnail of the video saying like “episode 1-4” & part two being “5-9” or something like that.
Here is more stuff that connects to when Morgoth killed Fëanor’s father Finwë (as I described in the beginning of Part 1 about Galadriel that I shared earlier): •The First Kinslaying occurred before the Helcaraxë. It took place in the city of Alqualondë on the shores of Aman when the Noldor, led by Fëanor, stole the ships of the Teleri (which also that clan didn’t like the energy coming from Fëanor but also didn’t want to start another war with Morgoth ontop of Teleri being rather peaceful in general; along with the fact it was all just a bit rash on their perspective so to speak to leave for Middle-earth, resulting in the deaths of many Teleri. This act was a major turning point in the history of the Elves and led to the estrangement of the Noldor and the Valar. This is the battle where I may have mentioned in the Galadriel hair comment. Where she was defending her mothers people from Fëanor and his army which is one of the main reasons he backed the hell off. She’s a very cool character. One of the most beloved still alive in middle ear to after so many ages of the world had passed into the third age that you’re watching this movie in!) •The decision to leave Aman and journey to Middle-earth was a choice made by the Noldor, led by Fëanor, on their own. They were driven by their desire to reclaim the Silmarils, which had been stolen by Morgoth, and to avenge the deaths of their kin who had been killed in the pursuit of the jewels. The journey through the Helcaraxë was a difficult one, and many of the Noldor perished along the way. However, it was not seen as a punishment, but rather as a test of endurance and resilience. Those who survived the journey were strengthened by it and became more powerful as a result. In summary, the First Kinslaying occurred before the Helcaraxë, and the decision to leave Aman and journey to Middle-earth was made by the Ñoldor on their own. The Helcaraxë was a difficult journey, but it was seen as a test of endurance on its own rather than a punishment. This isn’t even 10 percent of the whole story just with her life and the life of her family shaped middle earth as we know it and made sure survival into the ages was even possible. Especially for both men and elves. She even among many elves is a living example of a bygone era for both kindreds.
Interesting. I can't help but think that it holds true to life. All great and difficult journeys should end with wonderful results in one's self. The growth, the strength and the experience. - Toni 🤓
All 3 were filmed into New Zealand and filmed within an 18 month timeframe. Which is unheard of today, especially with the budget they were given. 90% of the wide angle, landscape shots were pure New Zealand. It’s a beautiful country.
The entire set of the Hobbit village had been rebuilt in New Zealand and it's visitable as a tourist attraction. And they are currently building a full size Hobbit hole you can walk through to go with the beautiful exteriors
@@Makkaru112 Not the ones used for the movies. They are just exteriors and not actual homes .Where are these hobbit holes for sale you talk about? I don't think it's true that "many people" live in them
Bilbo had the ring for ~60 years, Frodo had it for ~17 years [the birthday of Bilbo AND FRODO is September 22nd ... and when Bilbo took off (at 111 years) Frodo was "coming of age" at 33 ... he started his journey at 50]
I didn't watch these movies until nine years after they came out. I was not the least bit interested in this type of movie. My siblings talked me into it and after the first movie, even though I was a little lost, I was hooked. After watching all three movies, I went out and bought the extended edition and watched them all the way through about 15 times lol BEST trilogy ever done. Everybody else can fight for second place😊
@@unclebounce1495it won the respect of Christopher Lee. Who read all 25 books and met Tolkien and got his blessing offered to him to play as Saruman or Gandalf during conversations, one of which was about if proper adaptations were made !
The best trilogy of my time , this movies change everything for me I still remember watching them in the theater , I actually watch them every year as a long marathon 😅 You are in for a treat ❤
Your wife is adorable! It's a lot to ask of anyone to watch a 3+ hour movie and not get a really satisfying conclusion. I can't even describe how this movie made me feel when I was young. There just aren't any other series like it, they rip you into this world, get you to sit there for 3 hours with your jaw dropped half the time, and then somehow find a way to end it before you're ready. You guys are doing great! See you for the next one.
"I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened." "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." Fun Fact: Despite playing a dwarf, John Rhys-Davies is the tallest of the actors who play members of the Fellowship. He is 6' 1" in height. "I made a promise, Mr Frodo. A promise. Don't you leave him Samwise Gamgee. And I don't mean to. I don't mean to." Fun Fact: Sir Christopher Lee read "The Lord Of The Rings" once a year until his death in 2015, and had done so since the year it was published. He was also the only member of the cast and crew ever to have met J.R.R. Tolkien. Thud Landing Fact: According to Sean Astin in the Extended DVD commentary, when Bilbo (Ian Holm) drops the Ring before leaving Hobbiton, the floor was magnetic to prevent the Ring from bouncing. This was done to demonstrate the importance and weight of the Ring. Stay In Character Fact: Gandalf's painful encounter with a ceiling beam in Bilbo's (Ian Holm) hobbit-hole was not in the script. Sir Ian McKellen banged his forehead against the beam accidentally. Sir Peter Jackson thought McKellen did a great job "acting through" the mistake, and kept it in. High And Dry Fact: Sean Astin's scene underwater didn't really happen. He was filmed in a dry studio, with fans making his cloak billow. The water effects were added in afterwards by computer. Rosetta Stone Fact: The Elvish language lines spoken in this movie are not just quotes from the book, they were derived from J.R.R. Tolkien's own limited dictionary of that language. Dialect coach Andrew Jack used recordings of Tolkien reading his books to guide the actors' and actresses' pronunciations. Adaptation Background Fact: Asking for and receiving a lock of hair isn't unusual. In the time before photos, men would often carry a lock of hair from their sweethearts when going off to war or extended trip. But the three golden hairs that Galadriel (Cate Blanchett) gifts Gimli (John Rhys-Davies) at his behest have far more significance than their just being very pure and innocent request, rather than all the gold or power or wisdom he could have asked for. Any fans who have read the Silmarillion will know that Feanor, one of the greatest elves, and most amazing crafters of the world had made a similar request of the golden lady thousands of years earlier. Feanor was so inspired by Galadriel's grace and beauty, that he wished to use strands of her hair in the making of his three Silmarils, the most precious gems ever created in Middle Earth. He begged her three times for a single strand of her hair, but even though she was young and inexperienced at this point, she looked into his soul and saw that his intentions were not fair and benevolent, but were driven by greed and a desire to possess something more precious than the other elves of the time. She, therefore, refused his request, causing much wrath and anguish, and he was forced to find other precious substances to infuse into his gems. So while Galadriel refused Feanor, she knew Gimli was a pure soul.
Wow such examples of the reverence towards the books and the extent to which Peter Jackson went in the details of the film. Eg. the ring landing heavily on the floor. The references regarding Galadriel also show how far off the Mark Rings of Power (that I haven't watched) was.
More like sensed not so good things would happen through them. They were holy. So holy that even one of the gems inside the body of Carcaroth burned him alive and burns the hands of those who are not pure of heart. The hand of Beren which still held the silmaril was inside that werewolf that bit his hand off. So when Thingol seen he did indeed retrieve one of the Silmarils from Morgoth’s crown (who stole them before or after killing the two trees of Valinor) was when he was allowed to marry Lúthien.
@@nidh1109 Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning behind it, like most things in this movie & reflects the expanded lore of the middle earth universe. Galadriel is one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun, the moon. (Only the stars existed), but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower and fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor. It is said that Galadriel's hair had somehow captured some of the shine of those two trees. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people & also arguably their greatest craftsman to ever live, asked/demanded that she give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, & other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien. The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Noldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king many 10s of thousands of years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Thingol) ever wondered how old Galadriel is during the War of the Ring? I have looked in many different sources and depending on where you look, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 years old. 6,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.) She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous). Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings. I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened. Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz. Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees. Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell. Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.) One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah. Note that the second age was the LONGEST and again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her. I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed and most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting of the objects that held the last fruit and flower of the two trees of Valinor. Golden Tree Laurëlin’s Last Fruit and The Silver Tree Telperion’s Last Flower + dew She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them. She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning. The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun&Moon. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years. Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤ The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair. The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm) Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago. I’m a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea. Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
Sam is played by Sean Astin. Son of Patty Dike and adopted son of John Astin (Gomez Addams from the TV show). Sean was in a ton of films since childhood. Including Goonies, Rudy and Encino Man.
BTW Toni, the books author wrote this a a single book. But the producers forced him to split it up. Hence the reason there are 3 books and 3 films. One story spread over 3 films. 🙂
I'm glad I grew up watching the Bat Man television show. Every other episode ended with a cliffhanger, so I was completely comfortable with the concept.
They didn’t go to the wrong building. Aragorn took the hobbits to his room to hide them and protect them. There were only the beds left in theirs which the Nazgûl tore to pieces.
LOL, no, it's not a 'trilogy' in the accepted sense nor is it three separate books. That implies that three different stories are involved, each with its own beginning, middle and ending. And it's not. I wish you had explained to your wife before it started that this is one very, very long book which has been split into three and then she wouldn't have been so disappointed when it suddenly finished before anything was resolved. What a shame she was so grumpy about this and appears to have lost patience. Hang in there! If you give up now you will be missing out on one of the greatest, most involving stories ever written. Enjoy every moment as it gradually unwinds in the knowledge that, as with all books, the ending comes at the end, but that, as with any journey, the getting there is more than half the fun.
I probably should have explained it to her. But we watched The Two Towers and now that she understands how the trilogy is setup I think she’s enjoying it more. 😀
I grew up repeatedly watching and loving the 1977 animated The Hobbit. 🥰 I knew nothing about LOTR when it came out, but had a couple obsessed friends who’d grown up reading the books religiously, so we HAD to see it on opening night. It changed my life forever, and despite having only The Hobbit to go off of, it was the perfect foundation.
@@popculturallychallenged - It truly was! The best corporate-watching experience of my life. The tension in the theater during certain scenes was literally palpable, we gasped and cheered and cried all at the same places, like we were one body. It was wild.
I worked at a movie theater when Fellowship of the Ring released in theaters. I got to see it before it opened to the public. I remember months before I saw it I didn't have much interest in it, but after I saw it, I was blown away and absolutely loved it. Like Toni, mine and everyone else's complaint was it ended on a cliffhanger. But what Toni needs to understand is it's not about the destination but the journey getting there. The Lord of the Rings is the epitome of this phrase. Enjoy the journey because it was NEVER about the destination. It's about the journey and the friends you make along the way and the experiences you gain.
Recommendation: use some over ear earphones each of you instead of sharing a pair, you will enjoy the immense quality of sound and the masterpiece of the soundtrack. Trust me, this movie worth it.
I recently found out that they originally hired another guy to play Aragorn, but he wouldn't do the horse training or the sword training, really just not wanting to do all the hard work everyone else was doing. They sacked him and got Viggo Mortensen. We wouldn't have had this movie without Viggo as Aragorn. He was so perfect in every way, as were every one of the other cast members. These movies are so stunning. People will be marveling at them even 100 years from now.
@@levenkay4468 Yeah that comment was a little disheartening. Folks need to remember that this story was written 80 years ago, long before people expected stories to be neatly wrapped up in one sitting. But she should be forgiven since she has no way of knowing yet that the fate of the Ring is the main over-arching concern of the whole trilogy, and getting it to Mount Doom in the first episode would defeat the narrative. She will see that before the end.
It might help Toni to know that Tolkien fought in WW1 which affected his writing/plot. His son fought in WW2. He was also a Phiologist (one who studies the spoken and written word) and created the first authentic Elvish language.
he was actualy historian of Germanic languages at Oxford University (professor of Anglosaxon languages) not only philologisc of modern spoken languages. He knew about 30 languages to more or less degree including Anglosaxon, Old Norse, Old Gothic, Old Welsh, Old German, Icelandic, Finnish, medieval Latin, ancient Greek, and some of Slavic languages which he deemed as hard to learn for someone from Germanic languages group like him. He tried to learn Polish during 2WW when he collaborated with a Polish soldier Poltawski in creating English-Polish technical dictionary for the use of British airforce - as many Poles were in the ranks of RAF at this time - but after some work on it he abandoned the idea :) Thats one funny thing for me, as I always think of him as one of the all time geniuses of studying languages but he could not learn Polish :D Or rather he could not learn it as well as he would have like it. BTW at his times being a philologist meant not only the study of just languages (grammar and such) but also their history - like ethymology (study of historic origins of words, sources of words), and also the history of literature in those languages. J.R.R. Tolkien as professor in Oxford was on the side of literature (Literature - faction) in the rivalry between philologists who wanted to be also historians of literature as it was for a long centuries and those who wanted to be only the historians of language itself ("Language" faction).
The score is a masterpiece in these movies and I agree with you - adds so much to the emotion of the films. The only thing that bothers me is they use the opening notes to "This is my Father's World," a famous hymn, as the opening theme, and I can't unhear it.
Extended scenes at risk of being missed: 1• Frodo and Sam's first meeting with the elves, providing context for Valinor and the elves journey there, as referenced throughout the films and seen at the end of the Return of the King(connects to the passing of the elves in the beginning of their leaving the shire when Frodo and Sam are near the Old Forest by the Shire which leads them to eventually bumping into Merry And Pippin! (An epic scene with Gandalf in Rivendell was also removed as well.) 2. Aragorn singing the Lay of Luthien, providing a parallel between the events of the Beren and Luthien and Aragorn's relationship with Arwen of which every reactor channel I’ve seen makes the connection and it pulls them into a deeper understanding of their relationship every single time. 3. Aragorn kneeling at his mother's grave, giving him some additional backstory for the viewer. 4. Gandalf explaining to Frodo about the corruptive power of the Ring, and how it will strain the Fellowship from the inside, foreshadowing Boromir's downfall. 5. Sam singing a lament for Gandalf, providing more emotional weight to Gandalf's death, referencing the start of the movie and strengthening the connection between him and the Hobbits ( also highlights Tolkien's love of song and poetry in the books). 6. Galadriel giving the gifts to the Fellowship, providing context for their appearance in later films, as well as drawing a parallel between Gimli's gift and the events of the Silmarillion (Fëanor & Galadriel). That’s just the beginning. Including several removed scenes between Aragorn & Galadriel and Aragorn with her husband Celeborn! 7• also the opening explaining Hobbits & their culture to the viewers, so they have a better understanding of these peoples we will be following which also was the direct full chapter called Concerning Hobbits.
@@bryanmyers5620from what other comments people stated I see it’s the extended but earlier I looked through to see which scenes were kept in after their editing: I didn’t find any so I put this comment here sharing what people miss when they end up watching the T instead of the EE. ❤❤❤. Cheers mate. #ForFrodo
Thanks! We’re watching the extended editions. It’s been so long since I last saw the theatrical versions so I don’t really know what the differences are. Might have to go back and watch the theatrical versions after we’re done. 😀
@@popculturallychallenged could upload reactions with commentary on how much was missing while you watch. Several had commented on this when they checked out both while reacting to the extended. They were astonished.
58:36 I wasn't a fantasy type of person, and I also told myself the same. But in the end I can say now it's my favorite trilogy ever! It'll grow on you. Remember, it took Frodo and Sam a bit over a year to go from Hobbiton to Mordor. It's a long journey, but worth watching.
The song Aragorn sings has huge importance! Here is the full version: “The leaves were long, the grass was green, The hemlock-umbels tall and fair, And in the glade a light was seen; Of stars in shadow shimmering, Tinúviel was dancing there, To music of a pipe unseen And light of stars was in her hair And in her raiment glimmering There Beren came from mountains cold; And lost he wandered under leaves; And where the Elven-river rolled. He walked alone and sorrowing. He peered between the hemlock-leaves; And saw in wonder flowers of gold Upon her mantle and her sleeves And her hair like shadow following Enchantment healed his weary feet That over hills were doomed to roam And forth he hastened, strong and fleet And grasped at moonbeams glistening Through woven woods in Elvenhome She lightly fled on dancing feet And left him lonely still to roam In the silent forest listening He heard there oft the flying sound Of feet as light as linden-leaves Or music welling underground In hidden hollows quavering Now withered lay the hemlock-sheaves And one by one with sighing sound Whispering fell the beachen leaves In the wintry woodland wavering He sought her ever, wandering far Where leaves of years were thickly strewn By light of moon and ray of star In frosty heavens shivering Her mantle glinted in the moon As on a hill-top high and far She danced, and at her feet was strewn A mist of silver quivering When winter passed, she came again And her song released the sudden spring Like rising lark, and falling rain And melting water bubbling He saw the elven-flowers spring About her feet, and healed again He longed by her to dance and sing Upon the grass untroubling Again she fled, but swift he came Tinúviel! Tinúviel! He called her by her elvish name And there she halted listening One moment stood she, and a spell His voice laid on her: Beren came And doom fell on Tinúviel That in his arms lay glistening As Beren looked into her eyes Within the shadows of her hair The trembling starlight of the skies He saw there mirrored shimmering Tinúviel the elven-fair Immortal maiden elven-wise About him cast her shadowy hair And arms like silver glimmering Long was the way that fate them bore O'er stony mountains cold and grey Through halls of ireon and darkling door And woods of nightshade morrowless The Sundering Seas between them lay And yet at last they met once more And long ago they passed away In the forest singing sorrowless” The true elvish version is far greater and so full of nuanced sadness that’s break the hearts of mortals from its beauty and sadness so the true song has been sort of taboo and the mannish tongues that retell it is stated to only be a shadow beneath the tree of the true story!
Don't forget, the journey to Mordor took over a year so there is a lot to show. This trilogy was filmed as one movie and then split into three for obvious reasons. There are so many characters to develop and tell their stories.
to be precise all of Frodo's travels took about a year - from 23th of September of 3019 to AFAIR October 3020, while the quest to Mordor begins 25th of December (they set out from Rivendell) and ends 25th of March. After the war of the Ring they all stayed in king's city until the end of July (the coronation scene). And the hobbits got in Rivendell again at September and then went back to the Shire AFAIR in October or November.
The trilogy was filmed in New Zealand (my home country), you can visit the shire set, incl having a beer in the pub. And i still remember the excitement when the call went out for thousands of Extras. LoTR has done great things for our tourism lol
I have lost count of how many times I've watched this trilogy, by myself and with my young kids. We love it. It was great re-watch it again with you two as well.
It was filmed in New Zealand. My husband went there for work and saw the hobbit houses. I want to see New Zealand. I love the trilogy. Yes, I had to wait 3 years to see the conclusion. It was great. The story, characters, cinematography, music are all amazing. Be patient and enjoy it.
Fun fact: the scene where Gandalf is in Bilbo's house and bumps his head on the ceiling wasn't in the script and was an accident by Ian McKellen but Peter Jackson thought it was so funny and appropriate he kept it in the final edit of the film, against Ian McKellen's wishes though
Sir Ian, being also a highly experienced stage actor, simply carried on with the scene rather than create a cut in the filming. That may have influenced Jackson's decision which I think was correct.
You guys are so adorable. I can see the love emitting from both of you. One of my favorite things seeing reactions is when the credits roll and new watchers are like "wait thats it?" Im glad you finally got the lady to watch it! I can't wait to hear who her favorite character is by the end.
One of my favorite scenes is Gimli's interaction with Galadriel. He's grumpy and has a prejudice towards the elves, until he comes face to face with her. In which he then becomes pure, kind, and flattering to her. And I love the part where he says he asked for a strand of hair, and she gave him 3. Mainly because I understand the gesture, because it was common practice in the real world. I'm only 31, and I'm kinda shocked at the amount of people (particularly my age or younger) who reacted to it like he was a creep, or that it was an odd request. There actually even deeper meaning behind the strand of hair scene in the books Tolkien wrote.. Apparently there was another character in the distant past who asked Galadriel for a strand of hair 3 different times, and was denied because Galadriel could tell that he was not pure. So her giving Gimli 3 when he asked for 1 speaks significant volumes.
I’m 31 as well, and I completely agree with you about how the younger generation can’t understand the reason for obtaining a lock of a beautiful woman’s hair! Female Beauty is the most powerful force on earth, and men succumb to it very easily. If a man knew he’d never see a woman again, or it was unlikely he’d ever see her again, having a lock of the woman’s hair gave him motivation to stay alive and return so he could, in fact, reunite with that woman.
The distance from Hobbiton to Mount Doom is roughly the equivalent of Seattle, WA to Lubbock, TX (but in this case we’re switching the landscape to match the Middle Earth locations). Remember, you have to avoid roads, travel almost completely through wilderness, and you’re on foot most of the time. Even without encountering any extra trouble, how long do you think that would take you? 😉
@@popculturallychallenged you’ll learn more about such things and more if you dive deeper into reacting to other Tolkien content with our help as far as where to start!
@@popculturallychallenged The main Eagles such as Thorondor and Gwaihir are also Maiar but had taken this form of a gargantuan bird like being and they act on their accord and act when absolutely necessary and they only heed the words from the likes of Elrond/Galadriel/Gandalf and definitely Círdan/AKA: Nowë. Oldest elf left to ever walk middle earth) or the head Valar who also has the commands of the winds and skies (Manwë) and together with his beloved Varda herself are formidable and most powerful when close together. I may get it mixed up but one has the maximum hearing of all things in middle earth and the other has the sight and together they have full reign of both powers. I’ll explain more about the Maiar and Valar when you post the extended for two towers. If you don’t get the Boromir backstory then it wasn’t the extended. ❤️🥂
@@popculturallychallenged What do they look like, a taxi service? 😄 There are some things to consider, though. Even as the Great Eagles fly, it's still a long distance to go, and I think it would be wise of them to be wary of being in the presence of the Ring. Also, with the Eye of Sauron being so active, it may very likely be even more of a risk to have his target airborne for any length of time. If they did use the Eagles, they should probably leave Joe Walsh behind. He would definitely draw too much attention. 😉
New Zealand is where they filmed the entire series. Peter Jackson did it there because not only is it a breathtaking place, but with all of the wide screen shots there was no interference of unsightly wires and anything that connects the modern age
Her reaction to the end was mine exactly when I watched it in theatres. I knew nothing about The Lord Of The Rings and it blew my mind. I had not seen anything like it. This is an epic journey.
I think, while not perfectly articulated, the first movie’s ending did what it was supposed to do to Toni! Lol she was upset she didn’t get the ending! It’s a cliffhanger!
It took 8 years for them to plan, film and finish this trilogy and it was filmed in New Zealand. The actors were there for a long time. They got many Oscars for this trilogy and it didn’t stop there. I love LOTR!! Legolas is my favorite character.
The song heard when the elves were spotted in the forest by Frodo&Sam near the beginning of the movie: here is the song the Elves were singing & chanting a very special Hymn along their journey:(With English translation) * Á Elbereth Gilthoniel “o Elbereth who lit the stars” * silivren penna míriel “from glittering crystal slanting falls with light like jewels” * Ò menel aglar elenath “from heaven on high the glory of the starry host” * na-chaered palan-díriel “to lands remote I have looked afar” ò galadhremmin ennorath “from tree-tangled middle-lands” * Fanuilos, le linnathon “and now to thee, Fanuilos, bright spirit clothed in ever-white, I will ... sing” * nef aear, sí nef aearon “here ... beyond the Sea, beyond the wide and sundering Sea” * Ã Elbereth Gilthoniel² “o Elbereth who lit the stars” * Ò menel palan-diriel “from heaven gazing far” * le nallon sí di’nguruthos “here overwhelmed in dread of Death I cry” * Á tiro nin, Fanuilos “o guard me, Elbereth” (The elvish name given to Varda is Elbereth Gilthoniel is one of the main Valar who are of the main group of entities known as the Ainur who sang the world into being and helped shaped it further from within after some entered into the young world. She is most loved & honoured by the elves for many reasons) It’s very important as regarding the elves history that spanned over 40,000+ years. Because even one of the three high kings within Valinor was 30,000 years old well before the third age. Galadriel is his granddaughter just do you know. Yeah. She’s very important throughout the entire histories. They are passing away with what’s left of their kin to the undying lands. Many thousands had their home in middle earth just like the high kings ancestors that woke to the stars. Their birth is shrouded in mist as is their entire existence itself. That in itself is a whole story. You’d love to react to the immersive and entertaining lore videos like moviejoob & OmarioRPG have done. It’s ever vast and rewarding to let touch your soul.❤❤❤❤ Varda is a Quenya name of Valarin origin meaning "Sublime", "Exalted" or "Lofty" Elbereth is name given to her by the elves meaning ‘Star Lady’ Gilthoniel essentially means Star Kindler An original title of Varda, meaning 'the Kindler', and deriving from her making of the first faint stars in ancient times which was to light the dark world which had no sun yet and they loomed over the original Dark Lord (Fallen Valar named Morgoth by the elves) who he feared most above all even as supposedly he was the mightiest and first of all Ainur to ever exist (Ainur is the ultimate race of both Maiar and Valar) When, long afterwards, she used the dews of Telperion(one of the two sacred trees that predated the Moon of which it birthed later on) to kindle brighter stars still, this surname seems to have fallen out of favour. After that time she was called instead Elentári, the Queen of the Stars.
😂 She's not happy cuz she didn't see where they are going? Well, technically we did see where they are going. They're going to Mount Doom. She saw it in the beginning of the movie. 😂🤣 Seriously though, tell her it's about the journey.
@@popculturallychallenged You just watched it! Gandalf is the same actor who played Magneto, and Sarumon is the same actor who played Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku
When Bilbo left on his adventure I think he was 50 and he was 111 when he threw his own birthday party, before leaving. When Saron was killed, they others were just knocked down. Yes, filmed in NZ and if you went there you could see Bilbo's hole. When Bilbo sees the ring again, I just focused on Toni. lol. The extended versions are 12 hours.
J.R.R. Tolkien didn't write LOTR as a trilogy. It was a single long narrative, published in three volumes because of the economic conditions in post-World-War-II Britain. Peter Jackson & Co. had to greatly adapt Tolkien's story to fit into three movies. Even though the movies are very long, they don't begin to cover all the multitudinous details of Middle-earth. Tolkien didn't write his book in a traditional way, either. He wasn't a professional novelist; rather, he was an academic who created his fiction in his spare time. Tolkien was a philologist: a student of word meanings and origins. He was probably the greatest authority of his generation on Old English, or Anglo-Saxon. He also created languages on the side. The dialogue in the movie in Elvish is a genuine language which Tolkien created to be as beautiful as possible. He admired Finnish, so the language Quenya is structured on the model of Finnish syntax. Similarly, he also liked the sound of Welsh, so he created a second Elvish language, Sindarin, based on the structure of Welsh. But why would the Elves need two different languages? The Elves of Frodo's time (the end of the Third Age of Middle-earth) spoke Sindarin as their everyday language but reserved Quenya as an "Elven Latin" for the names of Kings, for example. Making sense of the two Elvish languages (there are several more which don't come into this tale) led Tolkien to create an entire history of Middle-earth. Some of this can be found in a series of extensive Appendices which follow the main story in ROTK. Much more, especially the history of the First Age, is found in the Silmarillion, which Tolkien worked on all his adult life, and which his son Christopher published in 1977 after his father's death. There is a lot more of Middle-earth than is found in these three movies!
Funny since Sindarin is closure to their ancestral language as Quenya was formed later on within Valinor and its similar to German in the sense Dutch is a derivative of Mothertongue of German etc. those who know Quenya can better understand Sindarin but not as easy the other way around
If I remember right, Balin was one of the dwarves with Bilbo's group in the Hobbit. Afterwards he tries to reclaim Moria and gets killed. Everyone is good people except those who didn't let Toni see them get to the end right away.
She was expecting 3 standalone movies, not 1 movie spread over 3. Maybe something more like Star Wars where each movie had its own conclusion while being part of a bigger story. 😃
I saw this at the cinema when the films first came out, it is so great to see people still watching them for the first time 20+ years later. My fave trilogy of all time.
For the "you shall not pass" line, Sir Ian McKellen needed a reference for the Balrog in order to show the right emotion so the SFX company WETA built a gigantic Balrog head for him to look at! If you go to NZ and the WETA bts tour in Wellington, youll be able to see it on the tour
If you go to New Zealand, they actually still have the Hobbit village set up as a tourist attraction. So maybe you could spend a night in a Hobbit house. The books were written as one long story. The publisher divided it into 3 books. It was never meant to be three books. So, when they made the movies, they followed how the book was divided in 3.
The Lord of the Rings is one long story broken down into 3 separate volumes. The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, and The Return of the King. Each movie was made for each book. You just watched the first book. This masterpiece has been around for almost 70 years. I started reading the Lord of the Rings in 1980 as I entered the 7th grade. I had to wait 20 years for movie technology to catch up with the imagination of J.R.R. Tolkien. You need to understand that each book is simply one portion of the overall journey.
Usually people skip to that scene to see if they will continue watching their sections. It speaks to sensibilities and one’s soul quality if they don’t actually show emotions. But some of her comments when replying so some of the comments here shows her saying she did love the movie but was sad it didn’t come across that she loved the movie! Let’s give her one more chance
I really thought she would cry when Gandalf fell too. But she said that she thought he could use magic to save himself so she wasn't really concerned. It didn't hit her that he didn't make it until they were all outside afterward.
@@popculturallychallenged Magic in middle earth(our Midgard) isn't to be used lightly and let's just say to do anything it in essence takes a part of yourself with it! It's also due to how the earth itself has been marred and poisoned by saurons master. Yes. Master. The big BIG bad.
I remember seeing this at the theaters with my friend who didn’t realize it either. When the movie was over he was like what the hell, they can’t end this here. This can’t be over, we have to wait a year to see what happens next? I was laughing and said yes sir
Fun fact....JRR Tolkien was a veteran of WWI....he experienced the horrors of trench warfare....And you can see how his experiences of combat and hardship reflects into Lord of the Rings.
“I shall NOT be Dark. (All evil) will despair” The elves (Galadriel especially is one of the few remaining that existed before the sun & moon. They pre-existed day and night.) How utterly, completely terrifying do you think it would be for your whole world to irrevocably change in a matter of an hour? For the thousands of years of (what you would come to know as twilight to be abruptly ended in a profundity of genuinely painful light and an infinity of colour? Of the joy, wonder and terror of distinguishing the difference between green and blue for the very first time in your whole life?) She is talking about the immediate, majestic sublimity of reality that one experiences in it's totality for the very first time. How on earth could that not be so terrifying as to threaten one's sanity? Galadriel with the ring would be exactly as beautiful and horrifying. I personally would not know whether to weep bitterly and perfectly, or claw my eyes out through the sheer, unutterable terror of her being in such a circumstance. But know this: she was showing Frodo what would happen if someone else got the ring. She wasn’t tempted at all. Gandalf tells. Galadriel shows. See the difference now. Two sides of the same coin. Both were needed.
I didn't know it was a trilogy when I saw the first movie. I was a bit upset at the end of it too. I'm so glad I stuck around and saw the next two movies, they are definitely worth the wait.😊
The distance from the Shire to Mordor (where the volcano is) is roughly 1400 miles, or about the same distance as Los Angeles is from Austin. Now imagine you are three and a half feet tall and are trying to walk barefoot from L. A. to Austin. About halfway between Las Vegas and Phoenix you end the first movie. How much of the Austin skyline can you see from 950 miles away?
Nope! She said later that she was expecting 3 self contained movies and not one 3 movie epic. She's looking forward to continuing on now that she understands that. 😃
The current ages of the characters: Frodo Baggins is 53. Samwise Gamgee is 38. Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry) is 36. Peregrin Took (Pippin) is 28. Gandalf (Olòrin) - is 15,000 (in his current form. Aragorn is 87. Legolas is 2,931. Gimli is 139. Boromir son of Denethor II is 41! Elves aged differently than men and dwarves. They did not suffer from old age or disease, and their lives were not limited by a fixed number of years. Instead, they aged very slowly, remaining youthful and vigorous for much longer than mortals. Though they could voluntarily leave their bodies and the ultimate thing that can kill them is grief or Sorrow that’s palpable enough for them to just not wish to live anymore. Here are the ages of some of the main Elves of the Third Age, as of the War of the Ring: 1. Elrond Half-elven - over 8,586 while his daughter is 3,777 old! 2. Galadriel - around 20,000 3. Celeborn - 20,000; (he may have been alive before her birth or around the same time as his lineage that he lived amongst his forefathers and kin might suggest he is older but they are both very ancient.) 4. Glorfindel (replaced scenes with Arwen in the movies but it helped prop up Aragorn’s Film character progression. I still think they could have incorporated them both in the scenes somehow and included the other important stuff that went on in that forest meeting Glorfindel and his company of elves)- he’s over 2,000 (although he had been re-embodied after dying in the First Age which means his Fëa {spirit} is far older than 2000.) 5. Thranduil - over 8000, (as he was born in the First Age and lived in Doriath with his father Oropher; Thranduil is also the father of Legolas. (As Haldir mentioned him when speaking to Legolas in Lothlòrien during the first movie’s extended scene. He shares the same kindred elven clan as to Celeborn(Galadriel’s husband). It's worth noting that Elves could choose to die voluntarily, usually when they grew weary of life or when they had fulfilled their purpose in the world. However, their spirits would then depart to the Halls of Mandos and could eventually be re-embodied in a new body I meant to add that Frodo was 51 when he left due to the whole Gandalf coming back to the shire after many years. that explains why his youthful appearance didn’t change much throughout the entire film!
It's super easy to know which version a reaction is watching. If you know what the extended scenes are just look for them. The easiest one is Concerning Hobbits as it's right at the beginning, but Bilbo's Trolls, Wood Elves, Galadriel's Ring and Gift Giving are some other give aways. It's tricky because a lot of scenes get cut, but if you see one, they've seen them all.
these films won the respect of Christopher Lee(Saruman). Who read all 25 books and met Tolkien and got his blessing offered to him to play as Saruman or Gandalf during conversations, one of which was about if proper adaptations were made !
The elvish songs of lamentation were for Gandalf when they arrived in Lothlórien. So the song you hear is literally for him whilst being a theme for the movie itself. The only excerpt from these songs is "Mithrandir, Mithrandir, O Pilgrim Grey!" This was expanded & set to music by Philippa Boyens & Howard Shore, respectively, for The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. It was sung in the said film by Elizabeth Fraser in the track Lothlórien. Notable about this song is that it assumes that the elves of Lothlórien were aware that Gandalf was an incarnate Maia. This is debatable. As well, the lyrics ask "What drove you to leave/That which you loved?". This suggests that Gandalf was well aware that he would fall in Moria. Other debatable verses include the claims that Gandalf was the wisest of the Maiar, and that with him the Flame of Anor would leave the world (assuming that it and he were one, or he was the only wielder of the Flame). (English comes after the Quenya) * The first part is in Quenya: A Olórin i yáresse Mentaner i Númenherui Tírien i Rómenóri Maiaron i Oiosaila Manan elye etevanne Nórie i melanelye? The Second part is in Sindarin: Mithrandir, Mithrandir, A Randir Vithren ú-reniathach i amar galen I reniad lín ne mór, nuithannen In gwidh ristennin, i fae narchannen I lach Anor ed ardhon gwannen Caled veleg, ethuiannen. * Olórin, who once was... Sent by the Lords of the West To guard the lands of the East Wisest of all Maiar What drove you to leave That which you loved? Mithrandir, Mithrandir O Pilgrim Grey No more will you wander the green fields of this earth Your journey has ended in darkness. The bonds cut, the spirit broken The Flame of Anor has left this World A great light, extinguished.
Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning behind it, like most things in this movie & reflects the expanded lore of the middle earth universe. Galadriel is one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun, the moon. (Only the stars existed), but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower and fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor. It is said that Galadriel's hair had somehow captured some of the shine of those two trees. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people & also arguably their greatest craftsman to ever live, asked/demanded that she give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, & other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien. The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Noldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king many 10s of thousands of years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Thingol) ever wondered how old Galadriel is during the War of the Ring? I have looked in many different sources and depending on where you look, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 years old. 6,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.) She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous). Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings. I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened. Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz. Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees. Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell. Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.) One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah. Note that the second age was the LONGEST and again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her. I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed and most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting of the objects that held the last fruit and flower of the two trees of Valinor. Golden Tree Laurëlin’s Last Fruit and The Silver Tree Telperion’s Last Flower + dew She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them. She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning. The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun&Moon. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years. Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤ The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair. The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm) Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago. I’m a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea. Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
@@popculturallychallenged and remember this: Sauron fears her above all others. Can you tell why now just from the blip I revealed to you ? Tell me what other thoughts and questions you have! Believe me. As for Tolkien content: even newcomers become enamoured with it all and wish to know more and become part of the community so to speak. ❤️❤️❤️
@@popculturallychallenged please do address these things you’re learning from the comments everyone’s putting below your video. “Kal El Can Fly” did it for each video of the trilogy. Especially talking about Tolkien being a general in the First World War and his son was in the Second World War etc. and the beginnings of lord of the rings was formed as he was sharing with his eldest son who was stationed far away from home via letters back and forth which also gave Christopher Tolkien something to read and work on (exact location can easily be googled during the recording of the second movie haha. It’ll be fun to do spontaneous things like that). (the trilogy books people were first introduced to in the 40s or something like that All of Tolkiens letters are openly accessible and several books showing them even with great context added between pages by friends of theirs. It’s all so beautiful don’t you think?
+1000. It's so much above any other movies I've seen I don't even consider it when ranking movies. I'll put Shawshank and Godfather I/II on top and LOTR in its own bubble. Incredible, epic story.
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I can never understand people who absolutely refuse to watch this trilogy. They are missing out on so much!
That's what I've heard.... so here I am. - Toni 🥰
@@popculturallychallenged - While watching you being annoyed that you didn't get to see them arrive to their final location, the old phrase that popped into my head was _" ... It's not the Destination that matters, it is the journey ... "_
It’s like a husband teaching his wife to drive. Instant argument!!! Nobody needs any LOTR backstory explained. Jump in and enjoy!
i like urr style lol@@im-gi2pg
Someone literally said to me "Nobody can make me watch lord of the rings" in a defiant voice.
I said OK your loss!
Those people are just stubborn idiots. Waste of time and energy. lol
"A Pop Culturally Challenged is never late, nor are they early. They react to The Lord of the Rings precisely when they meant to." The fact that this came from the mind of one man is beyond belief, the depth of the lore, histories and languages is legendary. A lot of these themes of this story stemmed from Tolkien's experience as a soldier in World War 1. You can actually still go to the Shire in New Zealand to this day. They even have second breakfast.
We're adding that trip to our bucket list! 😃
@popculturallychallenged My mother lives just down the road from Hobbiton! As a Kiwi, it's always fun to see how beautiful everyone sees our 'back yard' as.
We're very lucky.
WOW!!! That is so very cool!! - Toni
Well said
I mean...can you really say it came from the mind of one man? Authors and world builders don't exactly exist as independent entities, but are naturally dependent on the interconnected web of minds that originated all the epics and myths and legendaria that they rely upon in their own work.
One of the greatest works of fiction every put to paper. Definitely the greatest trilogy in cinematic history!
Agreed!
I read the books after watching Fellowship and was blown away to read that Gandalf went to research the ring of power and was gone for 17 years. 🤯
Like every other Ph.D. candidate I know.
This is why i think books are dumb. 17 years? Yeah... ok. Guess the "enemy" was not really a threat afterall.
@@WheresWaldo05The enemy wasn’t ready. The fortress of Barad dur was under construction for years and Sauron didn’t know where the ring was exactly…It was not until Orcs captured Gollum and tortured him to tell them who took the Ring.
@@WheresWaldo05 The enemy was preparing for centuries. You seem to not understand the word "epic."
@@WheresWaldo05 In what way are the Books (source material) dumb?
Every Christmas for three years, we all looked forward to the next part! But it sure was worth waiting for.
I wish I had seen these in theaters! -David
It was an amazing three years journey but we get appeased by the release of extended versions a couple of weeks before the next movie was released. So you could make an amazing marathon each year
Watching it in theatre with my parents and brother was one of the most cherished moments with my family in my live :)
44:15 The look of utter disbelief on Aragorns face when Gandalf falls always gets me. The actors really all did a masterfull piece in that trilogy.
Agreed! They were incredible!
I'm really surprised that Toni, who normally cries extremely easily, didn't even tear up over Gandalf's and Boromir's deaths!! I've seen so many men break down, especially over Boromir's brave last fight and his selfless, noble death and Aragorn's compassionate response to Boromir's shame over trying to take the ring. It's so odd to me how such tragic losses didn't seem to move Toni at all.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone get that mad at where this movie ends 😂😂😂
Leave it to Toni! 😂
I guess you should have had her binge watch all 3 without a break. That way she would've gotten her ending. 😊
@@popculturallychallengedlol, derp
Someone watches series that change every episode. Make her watch prison break😂
Ashleigh Burton did too. She wasn't that it was one long story.
Lol. She’s trying so hard not to like it but during the movie she was totally into it. 😂😂😂
I think she doesn't want to admit that I was right. 😂 -David
The 20 minutes of credits at the end of "Fellowship" included everybody that had been involved in the fan website that was launched when the movie series was announced. Anyone that took part in online discussions was given the opportunity to have their name listed. I was one of those fans. I won tickets to the Fellowship premiere in Orlando,Fl. I have a 18" replica statue of Gandalf that I won on-line. I have a replica "Sting" sword that looks and is as heavy as a real sword. But when you slide a switch, it glows blue and hums! My wife an I attended a LOTR marathon when the "Return of the King" was released. It included the Extended editions of the first two movies as well. It started @ 9:30 am, included meals & breaks between the movies and movie related giveaways. It ended the next morning at 1:30 am... and 10 years later we did the "Hobbit" movies at the same theater the same way!!!
That’s so cool!!
@@popculturallychallenged 3000 plus people were involved from all different factions of job types and Peter Jackson kept them focused for several years prior and post production! There are many hours of behind the scenes stuff that are dull on documentaries showing they all became one big family. I can link the playlist for you to react to starting with the first few videos. Put on the thumbnail: 1-4 as if they're episodes. And react to them in portions like that!
Oh hey, I'm in there too! I'm constantly surprised my name is still on there after all these years. I remember when I found out I could have my name there, I figured that 1 - who knew if it'd be as good as it turned out it was so who would care to see it if it was really bad? But also, who knew how long they'd keep the super long credits after they were in theaters and after like.. the first dvd printing? I honestly thought after a few years they might have taken us out of the credits and I was okay with that - I was fine just having my name in them for a few years. All these years later and I was so wrong! It's still there! AND people still love them after all these years. Seems crazy thinking back that I was even worried about either of those things, lol.
2 advice for Toni:
1. Think of this trilogy as a TV serie.
You wouldn't expect the characters to reach their end goal after a couple of episodes. Same with LoTR.
2. Split each remaining movie down the middle to avoid the exhaustion of 3.5 hours movies. There are natural breaking points in the story to do this. The DVD were split on 2 discs...
That creates four 1.5-2 hour episodes that can be watched daily.. This is much easier to digest for people with short attention span.
Thanks! We split up The Two Towers with a small break in between. I think we'll do the same with Return of The King when we watch that too. 😃
The giant statues near the end (The Argonath) were NOT CGI...but very large miniatures (they even started calling them bigatures) that were used for filming...then dubbed into the overall shot. Being a model maker for Peter Jackson would be my dream job.
That’s cool! 😀
I went to the premiere with a bunch of work friends. I didn’t think I’d like it either. I ended up buying the books and read them all before the second movie came out the following year. I HAD TO KNOW what happened! I couldn’t wait for the next movie to find out. Been a LOTR fan ever since ❤
And you got to find out everything that didn’t happen in the movies. Bonus!
It's just a bit much for me that they stretched the Hobbit out into a trilogy to me. I enjoy parts of it but still. It is what it is.
I read the books too and I still have them!
@@joellenglass2344 The Silmarillion too? Children Of Hùrin? Morgoth's Ring?, 12 volumes of Histories Of Middle Earth? Fall Of Gondolin? Laws And Customs Of The Eldar? What about the others as well? Such as Tom Shippey's Road To Middle-Earth?
I’d like to read the books! 😀
Liv Tyler (daughter of Steven Tyler or Aerosmith) fell in love with the Elvish language. She studied the books and became fluent in Elvish. She can still speak it today. She's a great actress. Her role in these movies and her role in Armageddon are amazing.
That is so cool!
"How do they know that are good mushrooms" ...
- Hobbits have a PASSION for mushrooms
- In the book there is a chapter called "A shortcut to mushrooms" and
- it was actually a YOUNG FRODO who had been "stealing mushrooms" on farmer Maggot's land and the whole "Merry + Pippin steal" is movie stuff.
Thanks for the info!
@@popculturallychallenged That whole bit of "Frodo and Gandalf leaving together" introduces a BIG "temporal flaw", because the voyage of Frodo to Bree would have taken 2-3 weeks, but [if you take a look at the map] Gandalf planned to do the "40 days trip to Saruman AND BACK" in the same time ... even though he had a horse, that wouldnt have been fast enough to make it.
In the book Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin and some other friends leave for the eastern border of the Shire (they try to cover up their tracks so few people know where Frodo actually is) leave a few months after Gandalf starts on the trip to Saruman. That allows for the necessary time for Gandalf to be waiting in Bree ... if he hadnt been imprisoned by Saruman.
HEY TONI - your feeling of "I can't believe they're not there yet" is a plot device in the book and carried over into film making. As long as the journey seems to us.... it was still even longer AND harder.
a great thing to keep in mind. in the movies situations feel as though they may have taken days but they actually took months or LONGER. For instance, the time span within "Fellowship" movie, when Gandalf left the ring with Frodo to "keep it safe" and when he got got back and threw the ring in the fire to discover the writing on it, was just 2 scenes in the movie but in actual time Gandalf was gone for 17 years!
SO this 1 movie covers a time span of almost 20 years. 🤯
Wow! Thanks for the info!
Toni, what you need to remember is that The Lord of the Rings isn't three separate novels; it's a single story that was split into three books by the publisher.
I totally get it now. I didn't understand going into it. - Toni 😊
fun fact, gandalf hitting his head was not in the script. his reaction was so good he insisted on keeping it in. the director wanted to reshoot it
Interesting… thank you for sharing that nugget. - Toni 😊
That's like asking what happens after Dorothy gets home to Kansas. Once she got home the movie was over. If they would have made their destination it would be over.
Toni said she was expecting 3 self contained movies, not 1 movie spread over 3. Something more like Star Wars where each movie could stand on its own. 🙂
I truly believe that Tolkien has written the greatest fantasy story ever, and that Peter Jackson has fully captured the awesome beauty, the incredible magnitude of the adventure, the shear, unparalleled scope and greatness of the story, and the total essence of this trilogy that Tolkien created. As I was growing up, and had read The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, the commonly expressed opinion was that only via animation could Tolkien's creations be put on screen. Peter Jackson has given to the entire world a true masterpiece in cinematic achievement. These Lord of the Rings films will, forever, be considered the greatest screenplay adaptation in movie history! What a truly amazing gift J.R.R. Tolkien and Peter Jackson have given to the world!
Agreed. There would be no such mythical beings in common human identification without Tolkien's imagination. From 'Harry Potter' to 'A song of ice and fire' to 'The legend of Zelda' . Every fantasy book, film or video game made ever since owes homage to Tolkien.
@@chrisking6667he is 100% the creator of modern fantasy. Genuinely a master of the genre and Jackson adapted it exactly as it was meant to be. A perfect rendition.
@@KodisageDefinitely. Orks, Goblins, Ents, the list goes on and on. All creations of Tolkien from little or no reference point.
@@KodisageI'm a massive book fan so always find something to displease me in a film adaptation. As for the LOTR films I believe Jackson has come the closest to doing a book justice than any other film ever has or will. I love the Harry Potter book series, I despise the films. I love the Enders Game series and they completely fudged that film up beyond recognition.
@@chrisking6667the reference point was our endless treasure trove of mythologies and cultures spanning from Finnish, Welsh, Irish, to Norse and so forth!
Most people don't expect to get to the end of the story in the first chapter.
*The Fellowship of The Ring* ended when the Fellowship ended.
Good point!
I have seen a few reactors that just dismissed this movie and gave it a bad grade becourse they hate sequels and refused to watch the two other movies. They went into it, just like the starwars movies, were every movie has a beginning, a middle and a some what of an independent conclusion.
Tell her that Return Of The Kings won 11 Oscars including Best Picture.
Thanks for letting me know. That is amazing....looking forward to watching. - Toni 🥰
@@popculturallychallenged you’ll love watching the behind the scenes how it was made content. You’ll get more than you bargained for. I got the links ready for you. I’ll send them when you get to the third movie. Maybe make a community post where then I’ll simply post it there and then you can simply watch the playlist top to bottom in groups with thumbnail of the video saying like “episode 1-4” & part two being “5-9” or something like that.
Toni thinks these movies are about the destination, but it’s the journey itself that’s important. 🙂
True! 🙂
Here is more stuff that connects to when Morgoth killed Fëanor’s father Finwë (as I described in the beginning of Part 1 about Galadriel that I shared earlier):
•The First Kinslaying occurred before the Helcaraxë. It took place in the city of Alqualondë on the shores of Aman when the Noldor, led by Fëanor, stole the ships of the Teleri (which also that clan didn’t like the energy coming from Fëanor but also didn’t want to start another war with Morgoth ontop of Teleri being rather peaceful in general; along with the fact it was all just a bit rash on their perspective so to speak to leave for Middle-earth, resulting in the deaths of many Teleri. This act was a major turning point in the history of the Elves and led to the estrangement of the Noldor and the Valar. This is the battle where I may have mentioned in the Galadriel hair comment. Where she was defending her mothers people from Fëanor and his army which is one of the main reasons he backed the hell off. She’s a very cool character. One of the most beloved still alive in middle ear to after so many ages of the world had passed into the third age that you’re watching this movie in!)
•The decision to leave Aman and journey to Middle-earth was a choice made by the Noldor, led by Fëanor, on their own. They were driven by their desire to reclaim the Silmarils, which had been stolen by Morgoth, and to avenge the deaths of their kin who had been killed in the pursuit of the jewels.
The journey through the Helcaraxë was a difficult one, and many of the Noldor perished along the way. However, it was not seen as a punishment, but rather as a test of endurance and resilience. Those who survived the journey were strengthened by it and became more powerful as a result.
In summary, the First Kinslaying occurred before the Helcaraxë, and the decision to leave Aman and journey to Middle-earth was made by the Ñoldor on their own. The Helcaraxë was a difficult journey, but it was seen as a test of endurance on its own rather than a punishment.
This isn’t even 10 percent of the whole story just with her life and the life of her family shaped middle earth as we know it and made sure survival into the ages was even possible. Especially for both men and elves. She even among many elves is a living example of a bygone era for both kindreds.
Interesting. I can't help but think that it holds true to life. All great and difficult journeys should end with wonderful results in one's self. The growth, the strength and the experience. - Toni 🤓
55:22 "I hope I'm your Sam. I'll never leave you."
Oh. We're crying today. Got it.
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All 3 were filmed into New Zealand and filmed within an 18 month timeframe. Which is unheard of today, especially with the budget they were given.
90% of the wide angle, landscape shots were pure New Zealand. It’s a beautiful country.
We’ve added it to our bucket list! 😀
Toni was not trying to hear all your excuses for the movie ending when it did 😂😂
I know right? 😂
Pippin is one of those friends that's not very bright, but super loyal! Pippin is a great friend, companion, and important to the story!
Very true!
The entire set of the Hobbit village had been rebuilt in New Zealand and it's visitable as a tourist attraction. And they are currently building a full size Hobbit hole you can walk through to go with the beautiful exteriors
Many actually live in those houses. You can buy them
@@Makkaru112 Not the ones used for the movies. They are just exteriors and not actual homes .Where are these hobbit holes for sale you talk about? I don't think it's true that "many people" live in them
We’ve added New Zealand to our bucket list! 😀
The orcs were cutting down trees for firewood, in order to smelt weapons and armor.
Thanks!
Bilbo had the ring for ~60 years, Frodo had it for ~17 years
[the birthday of Bilbo AND FRODO is September 22nd ... and when Bilbo took off (at 111 years) Frodo was "coming of age" at 33 ... he started his journey at 50]
Thanks for the info!
I didn't watch these movies until nine years after they came out. I was not the least bit interested in this type of movie. My siblings talked me into it and after the first movie, even though I was a little lost, I was hooked. After watching all three movies, I went out and bought the extended edition and watched them all the way through about 15 times lol BEST trilogy ever done. Everybody else can fight for second place😊
Just imagine how good they would've been if they had a good director. so great, but so much potential lost
@@unclebounce1495 lol no
@@unclebounce1495 they had the best. Ask the academy😅
@@unclebounce1495it won the respect of Christopher Lee. Who read all 25 books and met Tolkien and got his blessing offered to him to play as Saruman or Gandalf during conversations, one of which was about if proper adaptations were made !
It’s definitely an incredible trilogy! 😀
The best trilogy of my time , this movies change everything for me I still remember watching them in the theater , I actually watch them every year as a long marathon 😅 You are in for a treat ❤
Ooh saw them all at the movies and I had them on VHS and I still have them on DVD! I’m a fan for sure!
The best trilogy of ALL time .
I wish I had seen them in the theater. It must have been incredible on the big screen!
@@popculturallychallenged It truly was unforgettable! What was hard was waiting for the release of the next one😪
Your wife is adorable! It's a lot to ask of anyone to watch a 3+ hour movie and not get a really satisfying conclusion. I can't even describe how this movie made me feel when I was young. There just aren't any other series like it, they rip you into this world, get you to sit there for 3 hours with your jaw dropped half the time, and then somehow find a way to end it before you're ready. You guys are doing great! See you for the next one.
Thank you! I’m working on the edit for The Two Towers now! 😀 David
'Did you have a favourite character? '
- No.
Well, thank's for playing..
I think by the end of the series she'll have a favorite and I'm confident that she'll be apologizing for never wanting to watch this in the past. 🙂
"I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."
"So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us."
Fun Fact: Despite playing a dwarf, John Rhys-Davies is the tallest of the actors who play members of the Fellowship. He is 6' 1" in height.
"I made a promise, Mr Frodo. A promise. Don't you leave him Samwise Gamgee. And I don't mean to. I don't mean to."
Fun Fact: Sir Christopher Lee read "The Lord Of The Rings" once a year until his death in 2015, and had done so since the year it was published. He was also the only member of the cast and crew ever to have met J.R.R. Tolkien.
Thud Landing Fact: According to Sean Astin in the Extended DVD commentary, when Bilbo (Ian Holm) drops the Ring before leaving Hobbiton, the floor was magnetic to prevent the Ring from bouncing. This was done to demonstrate the importance and weight of the Ring.
Stay In Character Fact: Gandalf's painful encounter with a ceiling beam in Bilbo's (Ian Holm) hobbit-hole was not in the script. Sir Ian McKellen banged his forehead against the beam accidentally. Sir Peter Jackson thought McKellen did a great job "acting through" the mistake, and kept it in.
High And Dry Fact: Sean Astin's scene underwater didn't really happen. He was filmed in a dry studio, with fans making his cloak billow. The water effects were added in afterwards by computer.
Rosetta Stone Fact: The Elvish language lines spoken in this movie are not just quotes from the book, they were derived from J.R.R. Tolkien's own limited dictionary of that language. Dialect coach Andrew Jack used recordings of Tolkien reading his books to guide the actors' and actresses' pronunciations.
Adaptation Background Fact: Asking for and receiving a lock of hair isn't unusual. In the time before photos, men would often carry a lock of hair from their sweethearts when going off to war or extended trip. But the three golden hairs that Galadriel (Cate Blanchett) gifts Gimli (John Rhys-Davies) at his behest have far more significance than their just being very pure and innocent request, rather than all the gold or power or wisdom he could have asked for. Any fans who have read the Silmarillion will know that Feanor, one of the greatest elves, and most amazing crafters of the world had made a similar request of the golden lady thousands of years earlier. Feanor was so inspired by Galadriel's grace and beauty, that he wished to use strands of her hair in the making of his three Silmarils, the most precious gems ever created in Middle Earth. He begged her three times for a single strand of her hair, but even though she was young and inexperienced at this point, she looked into his soul and saw that his intentions were not fair and benevolent, but were driven by greed and a desire to possess something more precious than the other elves of the time. She, therefore, refused his request, causing much wrath and anguish, and he was forced to find other precious substances to infuse into his gems. So while Galadriel refused Feanor, she knew Gimli was a pure soul.
Wow such examples of the reverence towards the books and the extent to which Peter Jackson went in the details of the film. Eg. the ring landing heavily on the floor. The references regarding Galadriel also show how far off the Mark Rings of Power (that I haven't watched) was.
More like sensed not so good things would happen through them. They were holy. So holy that even one of the gems inside the body of Carcaroth burned him alive and burns the hands of those who are not pure of heart. The hand of Beren which still held the silmaril was inside that werewolf that bit his hand off. So when Thingol seen he did indeed retrieve one of the Silmarils from Morgoth’s crown (who stole them before or after killing the two trees of Valinor) was when he was allowed to marry Lúthien.
@@nidh1109 Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning behind it, like most things in this movie & reflects the expanded lore of the middle earth universe. Galadriel is one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun, the moon. (Only the stars existed), but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower and fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor. It is said that Galadriel's hair had somehow captured some of the shine of those two trees. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people & also arguably their greatest craftsman to ever live, asked/demanded that she give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, & other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien.
The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Noldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king many 10s of thousands of years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Thingol)
ever wondered how old Galadriel is during the War of the Ring? I have looked in many different sources and depending on where you look, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 years old. 6,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.) She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous).
Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings. I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened. Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz.
Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees.
Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell. Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.)
One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah.
Note that the second age was the LONGEST and again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her.
I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed and most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting of the objects that held the last fruit and flower of the two trees of Valinor. Golden Tree Laurëlin’s Last Fruit and The Silver Tree Telperion’s Last Flower + dew She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them.
She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning.
The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun&Moon. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years.
Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤
The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair. The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm)
Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago. I’m a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea. Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
Gandalf's quote is probably my favorite of the whole movie! Thanks for all of the great info Gator!
Pop Culturally Challenge ...The pleasure is all mine. Have a wonderful weekend!
Go in Peace and Walk with God. 😎 👍
...but we wants it now...! :(
It's coming.... - Toni 😊
@@popculturallychallenged Fine, lol.
You shall have my bow... and my comment, my like, and my subscription ;)
Sam is played by Sean Astin. Son of Patty Dike and adopted son of John Astin (Gomez Addams from the TV show). Sean was in a ton of films since childhood. Including Goonies, Rudy and Encino Man.
BTW Toni, the books author wrote this a a single book. But the producers forced him to split it up. Hence the reason there are 3 books and 3 films. One story spread over 3 films. 🙂
I think we'll be watching more movies with Sean Astin on the channel! 😃
Decades ago when I was a kid and ate my mom's food and I said "it was ok", that means it wasn't very good. LOL We'll see if it changes her mind.
Stay tuned. I’m confident she’ll be apologizing for never wanting to watch this series very soon. 😀
I'm glad I grew up watching the Bat Man television show. Every other episode ended with a cliffhanger, so I was completely comfortable with the concept.
I haven’t seen that in years! 😀
They didn’t go to the wrong building. Aragorn took the hobbits to his room to hide them and protect them. There were only the beds left in theirs which the Nazgûl tore to pieces.
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LOL, no, it's not a 'trilogy' in the accepted sense nor is it three separate books. That implies that three different stories are involved, each with its own beginning, middle and ending. And it's not. I wish you had explained to your wife before it started that this is one very, very long book which has been split into three and then she wouldn't have been so disappointed when it suddenly finished before anything was resolved. What a shame she was so grumpy about this and appears to have lost patience. Hang in there! If you give up now you will be missing out on one of the greatest, most involving stories ever written. Enjoy every moment as it gradually unwinds in the knowledge that, as with all books, the ending comes at the end, but that, as with any journey, the getting there is more than half the fun.
I probably should have explained it to her. But we watched The Two Towers and now that she understands how the trilogy is setup I think she’s enjoying it more. 😀
I grew up repeatedly watching and loving the 1977 animated The Hobbit. 🥰 I knew nothing about LOTR when it came out, but had a couple obsessed friends who’d grown up reading the books religiously, so we HAD to see it on opening night. It changed my life forever, and despite having only The Hobbit to go off of, it was the perfect foundation.
I really wish I had seen these in the theater. I bet it was incredible on the big screen!
@@popculturallychallenged - It truly was! The best corporate-watching experience of my life. The tension in the theater during certain scenes was literally palpable, we gasped and cheered and cried all at the same places, like we were one body. It was wild.
I worked at a movie theater when Fellowship of the Ring released in theaters. I got to see it before it opened to the public. I remember months before I saw it I didn't have much interest in it, but after I saw it, I was blown away and absolutely loved it. Like Toni, mine and everyone else's complaint was it ended on a cliffhanger. But what Toni needs to understand is it's not about the destination but the journey getting there. The Lord of the Rings is the epitome of this phrase. Enjoy the journey because it was NEVER about the destination. It's about the journey and the friends you make along the way and the experiences you gain.
Great point!
Recommendation: use some over ear earphones each of you instead of sharing a pair, you will enjoy the immense quality of sound and the masterpiece of the soundtrack. Trust me, this movie worth it.
I like watching them interact.
We actually tested over the ear and wearing 2 AirPods each but it made hearing each other very difficult.
Gimli: "And my axe!"
Toni: "Didn't he just break it?"
David: "He must have a spare."
Good point, Toni! 😄
I recently found out that they originally hired another guy to play Aragorn, but he wouldn't do the horse training or the sword training, really just not wanting to do all the hard work everyone else was doing. They sacked him and got Viggo Mortensen. We wouldn't have had this movie without Viggo as Aragorn. He was so perfect in every way, as were every one of the other cast members. These movies are so stunning. People will be marveling at them even 100 years from now.
@@levenkay4468 Yeah that comment was a little disheartening. Folks need to remember that this story was written 80 years ago, long before people expected stories to be neatly wrapped up in one sitting. But she should be forgiven since she has no way of knowing yet that the fate of the Ring is the main over-arching concern of the whole trilogy, and getting it to Mount Doom in the first episode would defeat the narrative. She will see that before the end.
This was an incredible trilogy!
It truly was a great trilogy. I understand now.... -Toni 🤓
It might help Toni to know that Tolkien fought in WW1 which affected his writing/plot. His son fought in WW2. He was also a Phiologist (one who studies the spoken and written word) and created the first authentic Elvish language.
That's incredible that he created a language! 😃 Talk about world building!
Philologist. He created several languages, including dialects of Elvish, which are derived from Welsh and Finnish.
he was actualy historian of Germanic languages at Oxford University (professor of Anglosaxon languages) not only philologisc of modern spoken languages. He knew about 30 languages to more or less degree including Anglosaxon, Old Norse, Old Gothic, Old Welsh, Old German, Icelandic, Finnish, medieval Latin, ancient Greek, and some of Slavic languages which he deemed as hard to learn for someone from Germanic languages group like him. He tried to learn Polish during 2WW when he collaborated with a Polish soldier Poltawski in creating English-Polish technical dictionary for the use of British airforce - as many Poles were in the ranks of RAF at this time - but after some work on it he abandoned the idea :) Thats one funny thing for me, as I always think of him as one of the all time geniuses of studying languages but he could not learn Polish :D Or rather he could not learn it as well as he would have like it. BTW at his times being a philologist meant not only the study of just languages (grammar and such) but also their history - like ethymology (study of historic origins of words, sources of words), and also the history of literature in those languages. J.R.R. Tolkien as professor in Oxford was on the side of literature (Literature - faction) in the rivalry between philologists who wanted to be also historians of literature as it was for a long centuries and those who wanted to be only the historians of language itself ("Language" faction).
Also in these movies, the score was excellent. It was done by Howard Shore. The music adds so much to the films.
I agree, the score was incredible!!
The score is a masterpiece in these movies and I agree with you - adds so much to the emotion of the films. The only thing that bothers me is they use the opening notes to "This is my Father's World," a famous hymn, as the opening theme, and I can't unhear it.
"It's okay". That's a nice review of "The Fellowship of the Ring".
She changed her tune by the end of Return of The King! 😂
Extended scenes at risk of being missed: 1• Frodo and Sam's first meeting with the elves, providing context for Valinor and the elves journey there, as referenced throughout the films and seen at the end of the Return of the King(connects to the passing of the elves in the beginning of their leaving the shire when Frodo and Sam are near the Old Forest by the Shire which leads them to eventually bumping into Merry And Pippin!
(An epic scene with Gandalf in Rivendell was also removed as well.)
2. Aragorn singing the Lay of Luthien, providing a parallel between the events of the Beren and Luthien and Aragorn's relationship with Arwen of which every reactor channel I’ve seen makes the connection and it pulls them into a deeper understanding of their relationship every single time.
3. Aragorn kneeling at his mother's grave, giving him some additional backstory for the viewer.
4. Gandalf explaining to Frodo about the corruptive power of the Ring, and how it will strain the Fellowship from the inside, foreshadowing Boromir's downfall.
5. Sam singing a lament for Gandalf, providing more emotional weight to Gandalf's death, referencing the start of the movie and strengthening the connection between him and the Hobbits ( also highlights Tolkien's love of song and poetry in the books).
6. Galadriel giving the gifts to the Fellowship, providing context for their appearance in later films, as well as drawing a parallel between Gimli's gift and the events of the Silmarillion (Fëanor & Galadriel).
That’s just the beginning. Including several removed scenes between Aragorn & Galadriel and Aragorn with her husband Celeborn!
7• also the opening explaining Hobbits & their culture to the viewers, so they have a better understanding of these peoples we will be following which also was the direct full chapter called Concerning Hobbits.
You do realize that this is the extended cut, right?
@@bryanmyers5620from what other comments people stated I see it’s the extended but earlier I looked through to see which scenes were kept in after their editing: I didn’t find any so I put this comment here sharing what people miss when they end up watching the T instead of the EE. ❤❤❤. Cheers mate. #ForFrodo
Thanks! We’re watching the extended editions. It’s been so long since I last saw the theatrical versions so I don’t really know what the differences are. Might have to go back and watch the theatrical versions after we’re done. 😀
@@popculturallychallenged could upload reactions with commentary on how much was missing while you watch. Several had commented on this when they checked out both while reacting to the extended. They were astonished.
58:36 I wasn't a fantasy type of person, and I also told myself the same. But in the end I can say now it's my favorite trilogy ever! It'll grow on you. Remember, it took Frodo and Sam a bit over a year to go from Hobbiton to Mordor. It's a long journey, but worth watching.
Looking forward to this weekend to be able to watch some more. - Toni
The song Aragorn sings has huge importance! Here is the full version: “The leaves were long, the grass was green, The hemlock-umbels tall and fair, And in the glade a light was seen; Of stars in shadow shimmering, Tinúviel was dancing there, To music of a pipe unseen
And light of stars was in her hair
And in her raiment glimmering
There Beren came from mountains cold; And lost he wandered under leaves; And where the Elven-river rolled. He walked alone and sorrowing. He peered between the hemlock-leaves; And saw in wonder flowers of gold
Upon her mantle and her sleeves
And her hair like shadow following
Enchantment healed his weary feet
That over hills were doomed to roam
And forth he hastened, strong and fleet
And grasped at moonbeams glistening
Through woven woods in Elvenhome
She lightly fled on dancing feet
And left him lonely still to roam
In the silent forest listening
He heard there oft the flying sound
Of feet as light as linden-leaves
Or music welling underground
In hidden hollows quavering
Now withered lay the hemlock-sheaves
And one by one with sighing sound
Whispering fell the beachen leaves
In the wintry woodland wavering
He sought her ever, wandering far
Where leaves of years were thickly strewn
By light of moon and ray of star
In frosty heavens shivering
Her mantle glinted in the moon
As on a hill-top high and far
She danced, and at her feet was strewn
A mist of silver quivering
When winter passed, she came again
And her song released the sudden spring
Like rising lark, and falling rain
And melting water bubbling
He saw the elven-flowers spring
About her feet, and healed again
He longed by her to dance and sing
Upon the grass untroubling
Again she fled, but swift he came
Tinúviel! Tinúviel!
He called her by her elvish name
And there she halted listening
One moment stood she, and a spell
His voice laid on her: Beren came
And doom fell on Tinúviel
That in his arms lay glistening
As Beren looked into her eyes
Within the shadows of her hair
The trembling starlight of the skies
He saw there mirrored shimmering
Tinúviel the elven-fair
Immortal maiden elven-wise
About him cast her shadowy hair
And arms like silver glimmering
Long was the way that fate them bore
O'er stony mountains cold and grey
Through halls of ireon and darkling door
And woods of nightshade morrowless
The Sundering Seas between them lay
And yet at last they met once more
And long ago they passed away
In the forest singing sorrowless”
The true elvish version is far greater and so full of nuanced sadness that’s break the hearts of mortals from its beauty and sadness so the true song has been sort of taboo and the mannish tongues that retell it is stated to only be a shadow beneath the tree of the true story!
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The tale of Beren and Luthien is incredibly beautiful. Tolkien said that it was based on his own relationship with his wife.
Don't forget, the journey to Mordor took over a year so there is a lot to show. This trilogy was filmed as one movie and then split into three for obvious reasons. There are so many characters to develop and tell their stories.
Good point!
Couldn't even watch God awful audio
to be precise all of Frodo's travels took about a year - from 23th of September of 3019 to AFAIR October 3020, while the quest to Mordor begins 25th of December (they set out from Rivendell) and ends 25th of March. After the war of the Ring they all stayed in king's city until the end of July (the coronation scene). And the hobbits got in Rivendell again at September and then went back to the Shire AFAIR in October or November.
The trilogy was filmed in New Zealand (my home country), you can visit the shire set, incl having a beer in the pub. And i still remember the excitement when the call went out for thousands of Extras. LoTR has done great things for our tourism lol
I wish I could visit tomorrow!!! - Toni 😊
I have lost count of how many times I've watched this trilogy, by myself and with my young kids. We love it. It was great re-watch it again with you two as well.
Thank you!
THE DISTANCE FROM THE SHIRE TO MODOR WAS EQUIVALENT FROM WALKING FROM OMAHA, NEBRASKA TO JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA.
Woah! 🤯
Ah, I see your wife is the type of watcher that asks a million questions throughout the movie xD
That she is! 😂
It was filmed in New Zealand. My husband went there for work and saw the hobbit houses. I want to see New Zealand. I love the trilogy. Yes, I had to wait 3 years to see the conclusion. It was great. The story, characters, cinematography, music are all amazing. Be patient and enjoy it.
We've got New Zealand on our bucket list! 😃
I like how Toni needs it explained...multiple times... how multi part films work 😂
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Fun fact: the scene where Gandalf is in Bilbo's house and bumps his head on the ceiling wasn't in the script and was an accident by Ian McKellen but Peter Jackson thought it was so funny and appropriate he kept it in the final edit of the film, against Ian McKellen's wishes though
Sir Ian, being also a highly experienced stage actor, simply carried on with the scene rather than create a cut in the filming. That may have influenced Jackson's decision which I think was correct.
Ouch!
You guys are so adorable. I can see the love emitting from both of you.
One of my favorite things seeing reactions is when the credits roll and new watchers are like "wait thats it?"
Im glad you finally got the lady to watch it! I can't wait to hear who her favorite character is by the end.
Lol. Every question you ask is answered within a few minutes. 😏🙃
yep, I need to develop patience! - Toni 😂 🤷🏻♀️
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One of my favorite scenes is Gimli's interaction with Galadriel. He's grumpy and has a prejudice towards the elves, until he comes face to face with her. In which he then becomes pure, kind, and flattering to her.
And I love the part where he says he asked for a strand of hair, and she gave him 3. Mainly because I understand the gesture, because it was common practice in the real world. I'm only 31, and I'm kinda shocked at the amount of people (particularly my age or younger) who reacted to it like he was a creep, or that it was an odd request.
There actually even deeper meaning behind the strand of hair scene in the books Tolkien wrote.. Apparently there was another character in the distant past who asked Galadriel for a strand of hair 3 different times, and was denied because Galadriel could tell that he was not pure. So her giving Gimli 3 when he asked for 1 speaks significant volumes.
That’s cool! Thanks for the info!
I’m 31 as well, and I completely agree with you about how the younger generation can’t understand the reason for obtaining a lock of a beautiful woman’s hair!
Female Beauty is the most powerful force on earth, and men succumb to it very easily.
If a man knew he’d never see a woman again, or it was unlikely he’d ever see her again, having a lock of the woman’s hair gave him motivation to stay alive and return so he could, in fact, reunite with that woman.
The distance from Hobbiton to Mount Doom is roughly the equivalent of Seattle, WA to Lubbock, TX (but in this case we’re switching the landscape to match the Middle Earth locations). Remember, you have to avoid roads, travel almost completely through wilderness, and you’re on foot most of the time. Even without encountering any extra trouble, how long do you think that would take you? 😉
I still wonder why they didn’t use the eagles. 😂
@@popculturallychallenged you’ll learn more about such things and more if you dive deeper into reacting to other Tolkien content with our help as far as where to start!
@@popculturallychallenged The main Eagles such as Thorondor and Gwaihir are also Maiar but had taken this form of a gargantuan bird like being and they act on their accord and act when absolutely necessary and they only heed the words from the likes of Elrond/Galadriel/Gandalf and definitely Círdan/AKA: Nowë. Oldest elf left to ever walk middle earth) or the head Valar who also has the commands of the winds and skies (Manwë) and together with his beloved Varda herself are formidable and most powerful when close together. I may get it mixed up but one has the maximum hearing of all things in middle earth and the other has the sight and together they have full reign of both powers. I’ll explain more about the Maiar and Valar when you post the extended for two towers. If you don’t get the Boromir backstory then it wasn’t the extended. ❤️🥂
@@popculturallychallenged What do they look like, a taxi service? 😄
There are some things to consider, though. Even as the Great Eagles fly, it's still a long distance to go, and I think it would be wise of them to be wary of being in the presence of the Ring. Also, with the Eye of Sauron being so active, it may very likely be even more of a risk to have his target airborne for any length of time.
If they did use the Eagles, they should probably leave Joe Walsh behind. He would definitely draw too much attention. 😉
@@0okamino 😂🤣😅❤️
New Zealand is where they filmed the entire series. Peter Jackson did it there because not only is it a breathtaking place, but with all of the wide screen shots there was no interference of unsightly wires and anything that connects the modern age
It's a beautiful area! We've added it to our bucket list!
Her reaction to the end was mine exactly when I watched it in theatres. I knew nothing about The Lord Of The Rings and it blew my mind. I had not seen anything like it. This is an epic journey.
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I think, while not perfectly articulated, the first movie’s ending did what it was supposed to do to Toni! Lol she was upset she didn’t get the ending! It’s a cliffhanger!
Toni said she was expecting 3 self contained movies, not 1 movie spread over 3. 😂
@@popculturallychallenged She will feel every emotion, pour out of her body after Return of the King.
It took 8 years for them to plan, film and finish this trilogy and it was filmed in New Zealand. The actors were there for a long time. They got many Oscars for this trilogy and it didn’t stop there. I love LOTR!! Legolas is my favorite character.
Wow! I didn't realize it took that long! Thanks!
18 months, it was filmed. End to end. The planning might have taken longer. Definitely wasn't 8 years.
@@martinmayhew145they started writing it in 1995
The song heard when the elves were spotted in the forest by Frodo&Sam near the beginning of the movie: here is the song the Elves were singing & chanting a very special Hymn along their journey:(With English translation)
* Á Elbereth Gilthoniel
“o Elbereth who lit the stars”
* silivren penna míriel
“from glittering crystal slanting falls with light like jewels”
* Ò menel aglar elenath
“from heaven on high the glory of the starry host”
* na-chaered palan-díriel
“to lands remote I have looked afar”
ò galadhremmin ennorath
“from tree-tangled middle-lands”
* Fanuilos, le linnathon
“and now to thee, Fanuilos, bright spirit clothed in ever-white, I will ... sing”
* nef aear, sí nef aearon
“here ... beyond the Sea, beyond the wide and sundering Sea”
* Ã Elbereth Gilthoniel²
“o Elbereth who lit the stars”
* Ò menel palan-diriel
“from heaven gazing far”
* le nallon sí di’nguruthos
“here overwhelmed in dread of Death I cry”
* Á tiro nin, Fanuilos
“o guard me, Elbereth”
(The elvish name given to Varda is Elbereth Gilthoniel is one of the main Valar who are of the main group of entities known as the Ainur who sang the world into being and helped shaped it further from within after some entered into the young world. She is most loved & honoured by the elves for many reasons)
It’s very important as regarding the elves history that spanned over 40,000+ years. Because even one of the three high kings within Valinor was 30,000 years old well before the third age. Galadriel is his granddaughter just do you know. Yeah. She’s very important throughout the entire histories. They are passing away with what’s left of their kin to the undying lands. Many thousands had their home in middle earth just like the high kings ancestors that woke to the stars. Their birth is shrouded in mist as is their entire existence itself. That in itself is a whole story. You’d love to react to the immersive and entertaining lore videos like moviejoob & OmarioRPG have done. It’s ever vast and rewarding to let touch your soul.❤❤❤❤
Varda is a Quenya name of Valarin origin meaning "Sublime", "Exalted" or "Lofty"
Elbereth is name given to her by the elves meaning ‘Star Lady’
Gilthoniel essentially means Star Kindler
An original title of Varda, meaning 'the Kindler', and deriving from her making of the first faint stars in ancient times which was to light the dark world which had no sun yet and they loomed over the original Dark Lord (Fallen Valar named Morgoth by the elves) who he feared most above all even as supposedly he was the mightiest and first of all Ainur to ever exist (Ainur is the ultimate race of both Maiar and Valar)
When, long afterwards, she used the dews of Telperion(one of the two sacred trees that predated the Moon of which it birthed later on) to kindle brighter stars still, this surname seems to have fallen out of favour. After that time she was called instead Elentári, the Queen of the Stars.
Wow! Is all of this expanded on in all of the other books?
@@popculturallychallenged yes. Intensely. Thousands of pages. Haha
😂 She's not happy cuz she didn't see where they are going? Well, technically we did see where they are going. They're going to Mount Doom. She saw it in the beginning of the movie. 😂🤣
Seriously though, tell her it's about the journey.
Thanks!
"I never wanted to watch them... They're not going to show them getting there??". You gots to see it thru.
Stay tuned!
"Celebrity Death Match: Magneto V. Darth Tyrannus" 😉
Now that would be something to watch!!
@@popculturallychallenged You just watched it! Gandalf is the same actor who played Magneto, and Sarumon is the same actor who played Darth Tyranus/Count Dooku
the Ringwraiths can touch the water, but as the husband pointed out, that river is the border of elven land, so it's like holy water to the Nazgul
Thank you for the clarification. - Toni ☺️
@@popculturallychallenged you are very much welcome!
When Bilbo left on his adventure I think he was 50 and he was 111 when he threw his own birthday party, before leaving. When Saron was killed, they others were just knocked down. Yes, filmed in NZ and if you went there you could see Bilbo's hole. When Bilbo sees the ring again, I just focused on Toni. lol. The extended versions are 12 hours.
Her reaction when Bilbo sees the ring again was awesome! 😂
J.R.R. Tolkien didn't write LOTR as a trilogy. It was a single long narrative, published in three volumes because of the economic conditions in post-World-War-II Britain. Peter Jackson & Co. had to greatly adapt Tolkien's story to fit into three movies. Even though the movies are very long, they don't begin to cover all the multitudinous details of Middle-earth. Tolkien didn't write his book in a traditional way, either. He wasn't a professional novelist; rather, he was an academic who created his fiction in his spare time. Tolkien was a philologist: a student of word meanings and origins. He was probably the greatest authority of his generation on Old English, or Anglo-Saxon. He also created languages on the side. The dialogue in the movie in Elvish is a genuine language which Tolkien created to be as beautiful as possible. He admired Finnish, so the language Quenya is structured on the model of Finnish syntax. Similarly, he also liked the sound of Welsh, so he created a second Elvish language, Sindarin, based on the structure of Welsh. But why would the Elves need two different languages? The Elves of Frodo's time (the end of the Third Age of Middle-earth) spoke Sindarin as their everyday language but reserved Quenya as an "Elven Latin" for the names of Kings, for example. Making sense of the two Elvish languages (there are several more which don't come into this tale) led Tolkien to create an entire history of Middle-earth. Some of this can be found in a series of extensive Appendices which follow the main story in ROTK. Much more, especially the history of the First Age, is found in the Silmarillion, which Tolkien worked on all his adult life, and which his son Christopher published in 1977 after his father's death. There is a lot more of Middle-earth than is found in these three movies!
Very interesting, thank you for taking the time to share additional information. It makes a difference. - Toni 😊
Funny since Sindarin is closure to their ancestral language as Quenya was formed later on within Valinor and its similar to German in the sense Dutch is a derivative of Mothertongue of German etc. those who know Quenya can better understand Sindarin but not as easy the other way around
If I remember right, Balin was one of the dwarves with Bilbo's group in the Hobbit. Afterwards he tries to reclaim Moria and gets killed.
Everyone is good people except those who didn't let Toni see them get to the end right away.
Thank you. I so wanted to see them reach their destination. I really can't wait to watch some more. - Toni 😊
David: "Man...if there was an Airbnb like that." Indeed! 😃
Glad Toni isn't a book reader.. she'd have stopped after the first book wondering why it hadnt ended ) :) (3 books, 3 movies).
She was expecting 3 standalone movies, not 1 movie spread over 3. Maybe something more like Star Wars where each movie had its own conclusion while being part of a bigger story. 😃
I saw this at the cinema when the films first came out, it is so great to see people still watching them for the first time 20+ years later. My fave trilogy of all time.
For the "you shall not pass" line, Sir Ian McKellen needed a reference for the Balrog in order to show the right emotion so the SFX company WETA built a gigantic Balrog head for him to look at! If you go to NZ and the WETA bts tour in Wellington, youll be able to see it on the tour
Oh cool!!
If you go to New Zealand, they actually still have the Hobbit village set up as a tourist attraction. So maybe you could spend a night in a Hobbit house. The books were written as one long story. The publisher divided it into 3 books. It was never meant to be three books. So, when they made the movies, they followed how the book was divided in 3.
That would be so cool to stay in a Hobbit house!! 😀
I love that every reactors always say "We all need a friend like Sam", but you said "I hope I'm your Sam".
I would love to be someone's Sam but especially David. - Toni 🥰
The Lord of the Rings is one long story broken down into 3 separate volumes. The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, and The Return of the King. Each movie was made for each book. You just watched the first book. This masterpiece has been around for almost 70 years. I started reading the Lord of the Rings in 1980 as I entered the 7th grade. I had to wait 20 years for movie technology to catch up with the imagination of J.R.R. Tolkien. You need to understand that each book is simply one portion of the overall journey.
She gets it now. 😃 I'm working on The Two Towers now. 👍
29:19 😂🤣😂
She was pretty calm when Gandalf fell. He looked more emotional.
Usually people skip to that scene to see if they will continue watching their sections. It speaks to sensibilities and one’s soul quality if they don’t actually show emotions. But some of her comments when replying so some of the comments here shows her saying she did love the movie but was sad it didn’t come across that she loved the movie! Let’s give her one more chance
I really thought she would cry when Gandalf fell too. But she said that she thought he could use magic to save himself so she wasn't really concerned. It didn't hit her that he didn't make it until they were all outside afterward.
Thank you @Makkaru112!
@@popculturallychallenged Magic in middle earth(our Midgard) isn't to be used lightly and let's just say to do anything it in essence takes a part of yourself with it! It's also due to how the earth itself has been marred and poisoned by saurons master. Yes. Master. The big BIG bad.
I remember seeing this at the theaters with my friend who didn’t realize it either. When the movie was over he was like what the hell, they can’t end this here. This can’t be over, we have to wait a year to see what happens next? I was laughing and said yes sir
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one. Thank you!! - Toni 😂
Fun fact....JRR Tolkien was a veteran of WWI....he experienced the horrors of trench warfare....And you can see how his experiences of combat and hardship reflects into Lord of the Rings.
What some people call fun...
Thanks for the info!
“I shall NOT be Dark. (All evil) will despair” The elves (Galadriel especially is one of the few remaining that existed before the sun & moon. They pre-existed day and night.) How utterly, completely terrifying do you think it would be for your whole world to irrevocably change in a matter of an hour? For the thousands of years of (what you would come to know as twilight to be abruptly ended in a profundity of genuinely painful light and an infinity of colour? Of the joy, wonder and terror of distinguishing the difference between green and blue for the very first time in your whole life?)
She is talking about the immediate, majestic sublimity of reality that one experiences in it's totality for the very first time. How on earth could that not be so terrifying as to threaten one's sanity?
Galadriel with the ring would be exactly as beautiful and horrifying. I personally would not know whether to weep bitterly and perfectly, or claw my eyes out through the sheer, unutterable terror of her being in such a circumstance.
But know this: she was showing Frodo what would happen if someone else got the ring. She wasn’t tempted at all. Gandalf tells. Galadriel shows. See the difference now. Two sides of the same coin. Both were needed.
That's interesting. Thanks!
I didn't know it was a trilogy when I saw the first movie. I was a bit upset at the end of it too. I'm so glad I stuck around and saw the next two movies, they are definitely worth the wait.😊
I’m pretty confident Toni is going to apologize for never wanting to watch this series by the end. 😀
The distance from the Shire to Mordor (where the volcano is) is roughly 1400 miles, or about the same distance as Los Angeles is from Austin. Now imagine you are three and a half feet tall and are trying to walk barefoot from L. A. to Austin. About halfway between Las Vegas and Phoenix you end the first movie. How much of the Austin skyline can you see from 950 miles away?
Good point!
She's not used to cliffhangers, I see. 😉
Nope! She said later that she was expecting 3 self contained movies and not one 3 movie epic. She's looking forward to continuing on now that she understands that. 😃
The current ages of the characters: Frodo Baggins is 53. Samwise Gamgee is 38. Meriadoc Brandybuck (Merry) is 36. Peregrin Took (Pippin) is 28. Gandalf (Olòrin) - is 15,000 (in his current form. Aragorn is 87. Legolas is 2,931. Gimli is 139. Boromir son of Denethor II is 41!
Elves aged differently than men and dwarves. They did not suffer from old age or disease, and their lives were not limited by a fixed number of years. Instead, they aged very slowly, remaining youthful and vigorous for much longer than mortals. Though they could voluntarily leave their bodies and the ultimate thing that can kill them is grief or Sorrow that’s palpable enough for them to just not wish to live anymore.
Here are the ages of some of the main Elves of the Third Age, as of the War of the Ring:
1. Elrond Half-elven - over 8,586 while his daughter is 3,777 old!
2. Galadriel - around 20,000
3. Celeborn - 20,000; (he may have been alive before her birth or around the same time as his lineage that he lived amongst his forefathers and kin might suggest he is older but they are both very ancient.)
4. Glorfindel (replaced scenes with Arwen in the movies but it helped prop up Aragorn’s Film character progression. I still think they could have incorporated them both in the scenes somehow and included the other important stuff that went on in that forest meeting Glorfindel and his company of elves)- he’s over 2,000 (although he had been re-embodied after dying in the First Age which means his Fëa {spirit} is far older than 2000.)
5. Thranduil - over 8000, (as he was born in the First Age and lived in Doriath with his father Oropher; Thranduil is also the father of Legolas. (As Haldir mentioned him when speaking to Legolas in Lothlòrien during the first movie’s extended scene. He shares the same kindred elven clan as to Celeborn(Galadriel’s husband).
It's worth noting that Elves could choose to die voluntarily, usually when they grew weary of life or when they had fulfilled their purpose in the world. However, their spirits would then depart to the Halls of Mandos and could eventually be re-embodied in a new
body
I meant to add that Frodo was 51 when he left due to the whole Gandalf coming back to the shire after many years. that explains why his youthful appearance didn’t change much throughout the entire film!
Thanks for all of the great info!
Extended or theatrical release? (Asking because extended(for this trilogy) really adds goid stuff).
Extended. 🙂
It's super easy to know which version a reaction is watching. If you know what the extended scenes are just look for them. The easiest one is Concerning Hobbits as it's right at the beginning, but Bilbo's Trolls, Wood Elves, Galadriel's Ring and Gift Giving are some other give aways. It's tricky because a lot of scenes get cut, but if you see one, they've seen them all.
these films won the respect of Christopher Lee(Saruman). Who read all 25 books and met Tolkien and got his blessing offered to him to play as Saruman or Gandalf during conversations, one of which was about if proper adaptations were made !
I had no idea there were so many books!
The elvish songs of lamentation were for Gandalf when they arrived in Lothlórien. So the song you hear is literally for him whilst being a theme for the movie itself. The only excerpt from these songs is "Mithrandir, Mithrandir, O Pilgrim Grey!"
This was expanded & set to music by Philippa Boyens & Howard Shore, respectively, for The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring. It was sung in the said film by Elizabeth Fraser in the track Lothlórien. Notable about this song is that it assumes that the elves of Lothlórien were aware that Gandalf was an incarnate Maia. This is debatable. As well, the lyrics ask "What drove you to leave/That which you loved?". This suggests that Gandalf was well aware that he would fall in Moria. Other debatable verses include the claims that Gandalf was the wisest of the Maiar, and that with him the Flame of Anor would leave the world (assuming that it and he were one, or he was the only wielder of the Flame).
(English comes after the Quenya)
* The first part is in Quenya:
A Olórin i yáresse
Mentaner i Númenherui
Tírien i Rómenóri
Maiaron i Oiosaila
Manan elye etevanne
Nórie i melanelye?
The Second part is in Sindarin:
Mithrandir, Mithrandir, A Randir Vithren
ú-reniathach i amar galen
I reniad lín ne mór, nuithannen
In gwidh ristennin, i fae narchannen
I lach Anor ed ardhon gwannen
Caled veleg, ethuiannen.
* Olórin, who once was...
Sent by the Lords of the West
To guard the lands of the East
Wisest of all Maiar
What drove you to leave
That which you loved?
Mithrandir, Mithrandir O Pilgrim Grey
No more will you wander the green fields of this earth
Your journey has ended in darkness.
The bonds cut, the spirit broken
The Flame of Anor has left this World
A great light, extinguished.
Thanks for the info! 😃
Toni should think of it more like a miniseries than as 3 separate movies.
Good point!
Galadriel's gift to Gimli has deeper meaning behind it, like most things in this movie & reflects the expanded lore of the middle earth universe. Galadriel is one of the 2-3 most powerful & wise elves remaining in Middle Earth since the time the land was young. She was born in a place called Valinor, or the Undying land... which is basically the place of residence of the Valar, the local pantheon, the local "gods" as you may call them. Back then, the world was not illuminated by the sun, the moon. (Only the stars existed), but rather by 2 trees of gold and silver, Telperion and Laurëlin that lit the world before the sun & moon were born from their last flower and fruit as they were basically killed by Melkor. It is said that Galadriel's hair had somehow captured some of the shine of those two trees. Her uncle Fëanor, who was a great king of the Elven people & also arguably their greatest craftsman to ever live, asked/demanded that she give him a lock of hair, so that he could use it to fashion 3 gems that would shine of the same light as the trees. Sensing his pride & a shadow that wasn’t exactly belonging to him brewing from within, she refused his request 3 times. He stopped asking and made the gems anyway, managing to complete the task he had set for himself even without her hair. Around these 3 gems, the possession of which became the driving force for many of the great events in the world, entire wars that lasted for centuries exploded, & other events. The gems actively shaped the fate of the races of middle earth to the point that the aforementioned Valar got involved directly. During these times, events surrounding the gems brought about the traditional enmity between Dwarves and Elves... the same enmity that Gimli still feels towards them. That enmity however does not survive his encounter with the wise Galadriel, whom Gimli basically falls platonically in love with. By giving him 3 of her hair, Galadriel is opening a door, offering an olive branch that might one day close the gap that divides these two races. Legolas, himself being an Elven prince and centuries old, knows of the story through his father Thranduil & grandfather Oropher, as it shaped the lives of all Elves, and his subtle smile is possibly the first act of acknowledgment and reconciliation. it is also a way for Peter Jackson, the director of the film, to give a nod to all of the fans who know these facts and backstories... a way to make us feel seen, and to make us appreciate just how deeply the makers of the film respect the books and larger universe created by Tolkien.
The thing with the hair may seem weird, but there is a significance to it in real life as well as in the lore of the story. In real life, it was not uncommon for wives, fiancés, or even girlfriends to give their men (who were going off to war), a lock of their hair as a keepsake, particularly in WWI, which Tolkien fought in. The lore part of it comes into play in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's tales of the creation of Arda, the Undying Lands of Valinor, and Middle Earth. Galadriel is many, many thousands of years old, & was born in Valinor before the sun & moon were even created. At the time, the world was lit by two trees, one gold and one silver which would shine at different times from each other, but would shine together once a day when one would fade and the other brighten. Galadriel's hair was said to look like the light of the mingled light from the two trees, which may have inspired Feanor, a master craftsman and heir to the high king of the Noldor, to craft the Silmaril's which were three jewels that captured the light of the two trees, one golden light, one silver light, & one co-mingled light. Fëanor had a bit of a thing for Galadriel and begged her for her hair three different times, which she rejected because she could perceive the inner darkness of his heart and rejected him, which made them "un-friends" after that. There is a lot more to the lore than that, so this is the super crib-notes version. But the point is, it was VERY significant that she granted Gimli three of her hairs to a dwarf, when she would not to the son of her king many 10s of thousands of years ago of which she is related to all three kings who were brothers and Elu Thingol of Doriath was one of the brothers that didn’t stay in Valinor even though he was one of the elven ambassadors along with his three brothers and that king I mentioned was VERY close friends with Thingol)
ever wondered how old Galadriel is during the War of the Ring? I have looked in many different sources and depending on where you look, she’s anywhere from 17,000-20,000 years old. 6,000 seems too young as it would make her close in age to Elrond, who I know is much younger than her even though he’s 6000-8000 by the third age, which wouldn’t make sense for her at all even if she was (“690 years older” as some kept repeating on the internet making 6960!)As she was around long before Elrond was even born and time was experience differently to say the LEAST as there is a lot to go into on that subject lol.) She was born during the Years of the Trees & back then the years were something like 9X longer than a solar year so I understand the math is hard, especially since she isn’t given an exact birth year. But it is said that Finarfin, her father, was born in Y.T. 1230, so I would assume she was born sometime within 1000 years of then (being generous).
Basically, I’m wondering what the most accurate range is for her age during the events of Lord of the Rings. I’ll also add that Galadriel is was around before the ents even existed (of which Treebeard is 15,000 years old so she’s OLDER than Treebeard/Fangorn) or very close to when they were “created” by Yavannah and probably had much knowledge to do with such things and or direct knowledge of what happened. Probably through an early prototype of her mirror or simply another dream that made her long for middle earth all over again ontop of the yearning she already had to go there and explore. Nothing to do with Fëanor’s oath and all that jazz.
Just going from the Appendices (and maybe Silmarillion) she would have to be at least 9000+ years older than Elrond, Elrond was born near the end of the First Age, Galadriel was adult before the destruction of the Trees.
Actually, more than that: I just checked, and the Second Age ended in SA 3441. So an elf born literally at the end of the First Age (FA 590) is 3441+3018 = 6459 years old when Frodo leaves for Rivendell. Elrond was born in FA 532, so adds 58 years to get 6517. Elves are mature at 100, so Galadriel adds at leas 632 to Elrond's age, to be at least 7149, and possibly quite a bit more (as attested by other comments.)
One fic had Maglor(Elrond’s Adoptive Father, Maedhros was also adoptive father alongside Maglor, they were the eldest sons of Fëanor) - One fic had as much older than Galadriel; I wondered how we knew, and it was pointed out to me that Maglor was the second oldest son of the first son of Finwë, while Galadriel is the youngest child of the third son of Finwë. So, yeah.
Note that the second age was the LONGEST and again time was experienced very differently back then too aside from the internal clock of elves working very differently, she’s definitely older as far as the world and the other beings that age far faster around her.
I also remind you all that she’s older than the sun and the moon and witnessed and most likely even helped in the Valar’s crafting of the objects that held the last fruit and flower of the two trees of Valinor. Golden Tree Laurëlin’s Last Fruit and The Silver Tree Telperion’s Last Flower + dew She was the most involved with learning everything possible from them.
She’s 25th generation from Tata one of the elven forefathers to wake to the stars. Their birth was rather shrouded in mist. Only those of her grandfathers ilk have a chance of knowing the origins a bit better as they are closer to that culture that stemmed from the beginning.
The Years of the Trees were the second of the three great time periods in Arda that followed the Years of the Lamps and preceded the Years of the Sun&Moon. They were known to be comprised of several Ages and lasted in total around 1500 Valian Years or 14,373 solar years.
Time flowed differently back then and time flowed differently within them too for the elves live as long as the world does. Epic hey?❤❤
The Dúnedain said that Galadriel’s height was two rangar, or "man-high" - some 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm). However, Galadriel's most striking feature was her beautiful long silver-golden hair. The Elves of Tirion said it captured the radiance of the Two Trees Laurelin and Telperion themselves. Galadriel was said to be the tallest female in Middle Earth, at 6'4”. But then Thingol was the tallest elf ever to live, and he's estimated to be almost 9' (274 cm)
Thingol was also a very very prominent figure within the Silmarillion and other books. He’s the great ancestor of Elrond+Arwen and through Aragorn being directly but distantly related to Elronds Twin Brother Elros it makes him loosely connected to Thingol as well. Let’s just say he died a tragic death long long ago. I’m a continent that doesn’t exist anymore. The events I spoke of in my earlier story of Elrond about his fathers deeds, which lead to the Valar helping with putting a Stop to Morgoth for good so to say and that War Of Wrath lasted 80 years straight and it left the landmass torn asunder from the clash of gods and the holy host of Vanyar elves that were closest to the Valar than all other elves so you can imagine what a bunch of mighty elves men and Maiar fighting a bunch of fowl creatures and beings for 80 years would do to a continent. It all fell into the sea. Galadriel barely made it over the mountain before that part of the story officially broke out.
I had no idea she was that old! Thanks!
@@popculturallychallenged and remember this: Sauron fears her above all others. Can you tell why now just from the blip I revealed to you ? Tell me what other thoughts and questions you have! Believe me. As for Tolkien content: even newcomers become enamoured with it all and wish to know more and become part of the community so to speak. ❤️❤️❤️
@@popculturallychallenged please do address these things you’re learning from the comments everyone’s putting below your video. “Kal El Can Fly” did it for each video of the trilogy. Especially talking about Tolkien being a general in the First World War and his son was in the Second World War etc. and the beginnings of lord of the rings was formed as he was sharing with his eldest son who was stationed far away from home via letters back and forth which also gave Christopher Tolkien something to read and work on (exact location can easily be googled during the recording of the second movie haha. It’ll be fun to do spontaneous things like that). (the trilogy books people were first introduced to in the 40s or something like that
All of Tolkiens letters are openly accessible and several books showing them even with great context added between pages by friends of theirs. It’s all so beautiful don’t you think?
Yep, that year of waiting was rough 😂
I bet! 😂
The theatrical masterpiece of my time... you're in for a treat
+1000. It's so much above any other movies I've seen I don't even consider it when ranking movies. I'll put Shawshank and Godfather I/II on top and LOTR in its own bubble. Incredible, epic story.
It has been good so far. I understand where it's going now and looking forward to watching more. - Toni 🤓
She will be like my wife. After each of the first 2 she was like, "I don't get it". After the third she said, "I love it"
I’m expecting her to apologize for not wanting to watch this by the time we’re done. 😀