I will apologize in advance. I'm sure you have great points on this theory. However, I've made it 8 minutes in, and have heard your phone go off twice and have listened to you pause like you are either piecing this together from memory or are being distracted by your surroundings. The best advice I can give for your essay, are find a way to make your theory more succinct which will shorten the video length. Or be more focused in your delivery so I will want to stay engaged with you. I am not trying to be rude, but I could feel myself wanting to disregard what you were saying because of how it was being delivered. I hope you will be able to present more theories in the future.
I actually used a script on this one for the first time in a while, and it's actually done wonders of shaving off perhaps 20-30 more minutes of what would normally be a bit of me vibing a bit of what I'm wanting talk about and getting off tangent. The bigger fumble I personally experienced actually happens in a later portion where I mentioned getting way ahead of myself because I knew it was going a little too far away from the topics I wanted to focus on. But I'll do better to have my phone on mute when recording.
After seeing the trailer for the dlc in 8k and being able to zoom in quite a bit, I'm pretty sure that it is the top of a baby's head we see when Marika grabs the threads of gold. Also, the artist responsible for drawing that specific part of the video accidentally let slip that she was told to draw a swaddling cloth. Messmer was supposed to be the union of fire, shadow, and gold. Marika stole the gold to become a god.
@nomas5082 in terms of "union" that may be open to interpretation, but that fits Officials business, Volcano Manor all-together (still Officials), and the Night (which is its own can of worms). Otherwise, I was long sus of that being Swaddling Cloth, but the usual take of other creators is it being someway a person, but likely their belly. Took me a while to agree with that part, but I also had to come up with where else it would be plucked from and explain the blood and semi slimes of what likely came from inside a person. Overall a belly was perhaps the most convenient to explain. Right now, I'm looking at it, and while I'm not sure I see a head in the design of a newborn, I do realize it's a rather very close up shot, which makes understanding proportional influence a lot more difficult to read into with lack of displayed fullness to compare by. One issue I tend to fave with that is also comparing demigod sizes to short human sizes like the Tarnished. I do find this kinda interesting though.
Hey thanks! I really enjoy diving into the lore and reading into the little details where others might've stopped ever since late DS3, and I love bringing awareness to the bigger concepts that get ignored by mistake.
Thanks for this. I have been wanting more GEQ lore, too many people are just sitting back saying "It's still Melina, even though we have evidence of it not being Melina", and you linking Scum Mage and Kitetales shows me you are on similar lines of investigation as I am. I am bad at coming up with theories but I am very good at making connections between parts of the game. Similar to you I have been looking at the Serpent Hunter and seeing Hornsent and Rauh visuals as well as similarities to the spikes impaling the frozen giants. The octogonal highly decorated hilt, the spiral and the storm/light moves. Dominula village has some clues. The blue hooded girls are what the festival is about, they wield a sickle (like a godskin), and have a cape with iconography similar to the godskin sigil. The other girls have flowers on their head, erdtree gold cape and wield a hammer (some a cleaver, and some a spear). I think that some kind of ritual was happening in Shaman Village, the GEQ was the center of attention (blue), but Marika basically betrayed the ritual (gold), killed GEQ and stole the purpose of the ritual (which also is something about flaying, sacrifice, etc.), possibly the gate of divinity? I also think there is a connection of Daedicer and Shabiri's woe, connecting the flaying to the frenzy, and we see the painting in Midras manse looks a lot like Shaman Village. We also hear Ymir saying the golden lineages roots are marred with "madness".
My so far understanding of Daedacar is that the Woe itself could be something of a torture enhancer leftover from the Volcano Manor's older generation and the first in line in relations to House Marais. At a first glance as to what makes the "myriad of grotesque childrren" misleading is strictly where we find the Woe, hovever Marais is the leading family of the Erdtree's Officials who are noble born and perform the darkest deeds in belief that it's only human nature and for the greater good, and signs of their presence stretches all throughout Altus Plateau and even as far as Mountaintop of the Giants with the Bloodsoaked Set and it's implications as the people who likely imprisoned Dung Eater also.
Melina being the GEQ makes more sense than whatever yall have been coming up with. The GEQ has nothing to do with the realm of shadow, she would have been referenced in some way if she was.
@rexwest4532 according to Crucible incantations in the Land of Shadows. It wasn't always the Land of Shadows. And the story DLC trailer suggested Marika brought gold and shadow. The Land of Shadows itself is the center of the Lands Between. This is likely to suggest it was removed from itself if not simply obscured out in the makings of peace, considering there was apparently some means an old establishment of friendly terms between Marika and the Hornsent. The story trailer though depicts some bloodier time unspoken of to the Divine Gate. And we cannot otherwise explain much to the success of "god hunt" of the ancient nobles. Marika became the primary god entity where the rest are very different outer gods like rot, frenzy, formless mother, or the Twin Birds. And the Marika's first lord defeated the Fell God of the Fire Giants after the Erdtree's order which plucked death upon its creation. You're otherwise suggesting Melina became more motherly and had many kids and told them to kill god.
That depends on the perspective. If you want nothing to do with a figure, you might hide their nature as a thing of shame to your place. Just like Messmer to the Lands Between.
I enjoyed the video! Thank you. I also don’t believe Melina is the GEQ. And I’m having a hard time believing Marika is her mother or Messmer’s mother, ultimately. I think after Maliketh killed the GEQ, Marika took the two children/babies, and raised them in her order…but I highly doubt she was really motherly towards them. You have Messmer who wants to do everything he can to prove himself to his “mom” and then Melina being like “what does it mean to be a mother?” Yeah, nah. I just don’t see it. Melina died somehow in a fire-no heart breaking words from Marika or anyone else were ever discovered about “her daughter’s death” (unless I’m wrong) and no words regarding Messmer’s existence. Even though Melina was burned to death and is bodiless, shouldn’t she have had one of those walking mausoleums OR some kind of memorial to her? It feels like they were the children to be kept hidden away, and we have to ask why. And…they just don’t look right. Maybe Radagon is the father but I’m sure there were others back in the day that had red hair.
This does ring an interesting point in the lack of noteworthy graves that I'm aware of, but I may need to stroll back through the game some more to see what might be a more quiet but peculiar detail besides that one near the minor erdtree church outside the capital's walls, but you're correct on the lack of heartfelt mentions of loss of anyone other than Godwyn to my knowledge with the fingerreader crone in the Deeproot Depths.
Melina says she was "born at the foot of the Erdtree", so I think Marika probably was her mother. Here is my theory, and a lot of this is speculation, so bear with me: - Marika escapes the persecution of the Shamans by hiding out in the Finger Ruins that her home village overlooks. It is there she encounters the Two Fingers and becomes an Empyrean. They guide her down a path of revenge and godhood. - Along this path, Marika is granted Maliketh as a shadow and forms an alliance with a powerful barbarian chief, Hourah Loux. At some point, she has a son with him, Godwyn. - out of a desire to protect her newborn son, Marika uses trickery to use the Hornsent Gate of Divinity to become a full god. Once she does so, she flees the area and set up shop in a surface outpost of an Eternal City. This outpost will eventually become Leyndell. The Hornsent discover her treachery and pronounce a curse upon Marika's children. - the War with the Fire Giants. During the war, Marika becomes soaked with the blood of the Fell God, which melds with her Shaman flesh and Radagon begins to form within her. Not right away though. - Godfrey and Marika have two more children, but both her affected by the nascent Radagon and the Hornsent curse. Messmer and Melina are born. - Radagon emerges, and becomes a separate being from Marika. The Liurnian Wars ensue. Because Radagon is separate from Marika, he is able to father healthy children with Renalla, one of whom is marked as an Empyrean by the Two Fingers. - per the Law of Regression, Radagon is eventually compelled to return to Marika. This causes his next offspring to be cursed. Both are born Empyreans, but the lack of shadows suggest that the Two Fingers quickly gave up on them.
If you take into account how Miquella took Radahn's soul to enact his plan you get a clear idea of exactly what Marika had done to the Gloam Eyed Queen. I think Marika had Maliketh slay the Gloam Eyed Queen, took her soul, and reincarnated her as Melina. I think Marika's plan from the very beginning was to ultimately destroy the Elden Beast long before she even became a god.
I think it's possible for the reincarnation considering the Frenzy stuff, but considering the grand search the Golden Order stuff for answers to resolve a stronger faith in it, I'm more led to believe Marika was somewhere more deeply invested and found signs that something was internally wrong and that it was hopeless from a long time ago. We learn from Gideon lore of dialogue and items we get from him that in some way things were already broken from quite some time ago. Then Metyr only confirms just how broken by at least the age relevance of Messmer before the Shattering, which we can know was before the Shattering because of his accomplices in his crusade, and it being after the Liurnia war. One thing I don't know is how deep the responsibility of certain damage is from the Night folk with Ymir, but it's very in character that he'd be a potential bigger traitorous factor at work even in the Lands Between. We're also never specified if Metyr's state of being was realized or not to the folks in the Lands Between such as Marika, only that Ymir is stationed on top as a high priest with personal motivations against the Greater Will's agent to replace them in some capacity. I figure there's something more to this to consider with it overlooking an earlier sign of Frenzy and its effects, but I can't be sure of one cause or another just yet. Whichever the case I think Ymir might've spoken of these flaws to others before us and caused possible infighting at Shadow Keep due to it's newer architectural nature, and yet surprising amount of damage to it; let alone the burnt human spirits there and wiped out Banished Knights armor littering only Gaius' boss arena.
@@murderycatdoll1380 Supposedly, they've got no further plans, but that's kinda what they said about DLC initially. What that means is now in the works or is being encouraged behind closed curtains is yet to be confirmed, but we know the DLC is basically doubled in content after a lot of content that they couldn't fit in sooner, but who knows if they'll consider a "whole" other DLC as opposed to something smaller sort like the Coliseum PvP update. Personally, for Elden Ring's size, I could see something like DS2's Scholar of the First Sin edition being a more effective direction with changes to the base game that tell things a bit further than before and expand on the more empty areas or previously cut questlines.
This shit is "finished" they could barely get things in order by the time that fat grease ball they hired to make the pre game lore. All the pre day one content was scrapped and replaced due to this DLC being developed. It's why the lore is worse than Bloodborne's. Too many rewrites and not enough time. The game itself launched incomplete. Imagine 23 empty chests. Imagine different mobs. Imagine RoB with Faith scaling. Imagine whole ass weapons missing like the default Katana unless you go for the Samurai class. Imagine Frenzy being noted by purple in your build up. Imagine Maliketh having purple in his destined death attack. Imagine if they just wrote the damn game themselves. Not hard. All they do is rehash the same damn things over and over again.
@FoxBatinaHat I have noticed that the mic I'm using picks up a bit of sound made under the table I'm using, but it's not exactly a good table. I'll have to look into preventing stuff like that a bit better. The mic itself rests on the table, so I think it's absorbing it more loudly than I hear it.
I just can’t get myself into the metal state of someone who doesn’t see the obvious truth of Melina being the Gloam Eyed Queen. The Apostle served Destined Death, aka they served the Gloam Eyed Queen. Melina’s eye changed color and then she mentions Destined Death. It’s clear as can be imo
@austinlanger4767 i always seen it as her turning into a shadow like Blaidd. We don't actually hear of where shadows come from to Empyreans, but we know there's still entities that we can't explain yet like Wormface and the revenants. The people of night just want to replace order, and Melina's similarity to their Black Knife Assassins could verify she wouldn't have a greatsword and instead been an underling in service for something, but the Golden Order tends to not speak of a lot of things, and we know Melina is confirmed Messmer's younger sister which would mean to be GEQ she would have to inherit Death after Messmer.
It's because her identity as the GEQ seems to contradict her known previous identity as the kindling maiden. If Melina is the GEQ, why would she lead a Godskins Apostasy against the gods, while also being loyal to Marika and going on a journey to fulfill the purpose set by her? Marika had Maliketh defeat the GEQ and seal the Rune of Death; if she wanted Melina to pursue her goals, why ask Maliketh to stop her? Also, Ranni does not list Melina as one of the Empyrean children of Marika, but we know the GEQ was one.
@@tristanneal9552 Because they are split beings like Marika/Radagon, and Miquella/St Trina I guess. Or even more likely is Marika sealed her away in the same way she sealed destined death in Maliketh and the Serpent in Melina's brother. "Sealing away destined death" could have a double meaning as both sealing DD itself in Maliketh, and also sealing away The GEQ (the wielder of DD) in Melina. I am reasoning backwards because it is just too obvious that we are meant to infer that Melina is the GEQ
@k2geekd I have actually a working theory concept for the lore to a fundamental level of what becomes the more believable scale. It's something that I call Inverse Lore Theory, and it's my take on how they wanted to make the game more Elden Ring and less Dark Souls, but it's a concept too broad to talk about in text structure alone. I might make a video on it, but I've seen a lot of lore people make similar small inferences well after I started looking into it 2 years ago-ish.
I will apologize in advance.
I'm sure you have great points on this theory. However, I've made it 8 minutes in, and have heard your phone go off twice and have listened to you pause like you are either piecing this together from memory or are being distracted by your surroundings.
The best advice I can give for your essay, are find a way to make your theory more succinct which will shorten the video length. Or be more focused in your delivery so I will want to stay engaged with you.
I am not trying to be rude, but I could feel myself wanting to disregard what you were saying because of how it was being delivered.
I hope you will be able to present more theories in the future.
I actually used a script on this one for the first time in a while, and it's actually done wonders of shaving off perhaps 20-30 more minutes of what would normally be a bit of me vibing a bit of what I'm wanting talk about and getting off tangent. The bigger fumble I personally experienced actually happens in a later portion where I mentioned getting way ahead of myself because I knew it was going a little too far away from the topics I wanted to focus on. But I'll do better to have my phone on mute when recording.
This, bro is laughing at his discord chat instead of presenting his ideas. I'd guess its tiktok brain.
After seeing the trailer for the dlc in 8k and being able to zoom in quite a bit, I'm pretty sure that it is the top of a baby's head we see when Marika grabs the threads of gold. Also, the artist responsible for drawing that specific part of the video accidentally let slip that she was told to draw a swaddling cloth.
Messmer was supposed to be the union of fire, shadow, and gold. Marika stole the gold to become a god.
@nomas5082 in terms of "union" that may be open to interpretation, but that fits Officials business, Volcano Manor all-together (still Officials), and the Night (which is its own can of worms).
Otherwise, I was long sus of that being Swaddling Cloth, but the usual take of other creators is it being someway a person, but likely their belly. Took me a while to agree with that part, but I also had to come up with where else it would be plucked from and explain the blood and semi slimes of what likely came from inside a person. Overall a belly was perhaps the most convenient to explain. Right now, I'm looking at it, and while I'm not sure I see a head in the design of a newborn, I do realize it's a rather very close up shot, which makes understanding proportional influence a lot more difficult to read into with lack of displayed fullness to compare by. One issue I tend to fave with that is also comparing demigod sizes to short human sizes like the Tarnished. I do find this kinda interesting though.
Hey man great video and great theories👍 keep it up and they will only get better and better. I look forward to seeing what’s next
Hey thanks! I really enjoy diving into the lore and reading into the little details where others might've stopped ever since late DS3, and I love bringing awareness to the bigger concepts that get ignored by mistake.
Thanks for this. I have been wanting more GEQ lore, too many people are just sitting back saying "It's still Melina, even though we have evidence of it not being Melina", and you linking Scum Mage and Kitetales shows me you are on similar lines of investigation as I am.
I am bad at coming up with theories but I am very good at making connections between parts of the game. Similar to you I have been looking at the Serpent Hunter and seeing Hornsent and Rauh visuals as well as similarities to the spikes impaling the frozen giants. The octogonal highly decorated hilt, the spiral and the storm/light moves.
Dominula village has some clues. The blue hooded girls are what the festival is about, they wield a sickle (like a godskin), and have a cape with iconography similar to the godskin sigil. The other girls have flowers on their head, erdtree gold cape and wield a hammer (some a cleaver, and some a spear). I think that some kind of ritual was happening in Shaman Village, the GEQ was the center of attention (blue), but Marika basically betrayed the ritual (gold), killed GEQ and stole the purpose of the ritual (which also is something about flaying, sacrifice, etc.), possibly the gate of divinity?
I also think there is a connection of Daedicer and Shabiri's woe, connecting the flaying to the frenzy, and we see the painting in Midras manse looks a lot like Shaman Village. We also hear Ymir saying the golden lineages roots are marred with "madness".
My so far understanding of Daedacar is that the Woe itself could be something of a torture enhancer leftover from the Volcano Manor's older generation and the first in line in relations to House Marais. At a first glance as to what makes the "myriad of grotesque childrren" misleading is strictly where we find the Woe, hovever Marais is the leading family of the Erdtree's Officials who are noble born and perform the darkest deeds in belief that it's only human nature and for the greater good, and signs of their presence stretches all throughout Altus Plateau and even as far as Mountaintop of the Giants with the Bloodsoaked Set and it's implications as the people who likely imprisoned Dung Eater also.
Melina being the GEQ makes more sense than whatever yall have been coming up with. The GEQ has nothing to do with the realm of shadow, she would have been referenced in some way if she was.
@rexwest4532 according to Crucible incantations in the Land of Shadows. It wasn't always the Land of Shadows. And the story DLC trailer suggested Marika brought gold and shadow. The Land of Shadows itself is the center of the Lands Between. This is likely to suggest it was removed from itself if not simply obscured out in the makings of peace, considering there was apparently some means an old establishment of friendly terms between Marika and the Hornsent. The story trailer though depicts some bloodier time unspoken of to the Divine Gate. And we cannot otherwise explain much to the success of "god hunt" of the ancient nobles. Marika became the primary god entity where the rest are very different outer gods like rot, frenzy, formless mother, or the Twin Birds. And the Marika's first lord defeated the Fell God of the Fire Giants after the Erdtree's order which plucked death upon its creation. You're otherwise suggesting Melina became more motherly and had many kids and told them to kill god.
The GEQ has nothing to do with the land of shadow. She would have been referenced in some way if she was.
That depends on the perspective. If you want nothing to do with a figure, you might hide their nature as a thing of shame to your place. Just like Messmer to the Lands Between.
I enjoyed the video! Thank you. I also don’t believe Melina is the GEQ. And I’m having a hard time believing Marika is her mother or Messmer’s mother, ultimately. I think after Maliketh killed the GEQ, Marika took the two children/babies, and raised them in her order…but I highly doubt she was really motherly towards them. You have Messmer who wants to do everything he can to prove himself to his “mom” and then Melina being like “what does it mean to be a mother?” Yeah, nah. I just don’t see it. Melina died somehow in a fire-no heart breaking words from Marika or anyone else were ever discovered about “her daughter’s death” (unless I’m wrong) and no words regarding Messmer’s existence. Even though Melina was burned to death and is bodiless, shouldn’t she have had one of those walking mausoleums OR some kind of memorial to her? It feels like they were the children to be kept hidden away, and we have to ask why. And…they just don’t look right. Maybe Radagon is the father but I’m sure there were others back in the day that had red hair.
This does ring an interesting point in the lack of noteworthy graves that I'm aware of, but I may need to stroll back through the game some more to see what might be a more quiet but peculiar detail besides that one near the minor erdtree church outside the capital's walls, but you're correct on the lack of heartfelt mentions of loss of anyone other than Godwyn to my knowledge with the fingerreader crone in the Deeproot Depths.
Melina says she was "born at the foot of the Erdtree", so I think Marika probably was her mother. Here is my theory, and a lot of this is speculation, so bear with me:
- Marika escapes the persecution of the Shamans by hiding out in the Finger Ruins that her home village overlooks. It is there she encounters the Two Fingers and becomes an Empyrean. They guide her down a path of revenge and godhood.
- Along this path, Marika is granted Maliketh as a shadow and forms an alliance with a powerful barbarian chief, Hourah Loux. At some point, she has a son with him, Godwyn.
- out of a desire to protect her newborn son, Marika uses trickery to use the Hornsent Gate of Divinity to become a full god. Once she does so, she flees the area and set up shop in a surface outpost of an Eternal City. This outpost will eventually become Leyndell. The Hornsent discover her treachery and pronounce a curse upon Marika's children.
- the War with the Fire Giants. During the war, Marika becomes soaked with the blood of the Fell God, which melds with her Shaman flesh and Radagon begins to form within her. Not right away though.
- Godfrey and Marika have two more children, but both her affected by the nascent Radagon and the Hornsent curse. Messmer and Melina are born.
- Radagon emerges, and becomes a separate being from Marika. The Liurnian Wars ensue. Because Radagon is separate from Marika, he is able to father healthy children with Renalla, one of whom is marked as an Empyrean by the Two Fingers.
- per the Law of Regression, Radagon is eventually compelled to return to Marika. This causes his next offspring to be cursed. Both are born Empyreans, but the lack of shadows suggest that the Two Fingers quickly gave up on them.
If you take into account how Miquella took Radahn's soul to enact his plan you get a clear idea of exactly what Marika had done to the Gloam Eyed Queen.
I think Marika had Maliketh slay the Gloam Eyed Queen, took her soul, and reincarnated her as Melina.
I think Marika's plan from the very beginning was to ultimately destroy the Elden Beast long before she even became a god.
I think it's possible for the reincarnation considering the Frenzy stuff, but considering the grand search the Golden Order stuff for answers to resolve a stronger faith in it, I'm more led to believe Marika was somewhere more deeply invested and found signs that something was internally wrong and that it was hopeless from a long time ago. We learn from Gideon lore of dialogue and items we get from him that in some way things were already broken from quite some time ago. Then Metyr only confirms just how broken by at least the age relevance of Messmer before the Shattering, which we can know was before the Shattering because of his accomplices in his crusade, and it being after the Liurnia war.
One thing I don't know is how deep the responsibility of certain damage is from the Night folk with Ymir, but it's very in character that he'd be a potential bigger traitorous factor at work even in the Lands Between. We're also never specified if Metyr's state of being was realized or not to the folks in the Lands Between such as Marika, only that Ymir is stationed on top as a high priest with personal motivations against the Greater Will's agent to replace them in some capacity. I figure there's something more to this to consider with it overlooking an earlier sign of Frenzy and its effects, but I can't be sure of one cause or another just yet. Whichever the case I think Ymir might've spoken of these flaws to others before us and caused possible infighting at Shadow Keep due to it's newer architectural nature, and yet surprising amount of damage to it; let alone the burnt human spirits there and wiped out Banished Knights armor littering only Gaius' boss arena.
Second DLC will come with Godwyn and Gloam eye queen things will be revealed
@SnowMacaco I really hope so, there's still a lot of huge plot holes everyone's just filling the gaps for.
Didn't Myazaki already confirm there will be no further expansion or content on for Elden Ring? I think we can get hour hopes to the cemetary xD
@@murderycatdoll1380 Supposedly, they've got no further plans, but that's kinda what they said about DLC initially. What that means is now in the works or is being encouraged behind closed curtains is yet to be confirmed, but we know the DLC is basically doubled in content after a lot of content that they couldn't fit in sooner, but who knows if they'll consider a "whole" other DLC as opposed to something smaller sort like the Coliseum PvP update. Personally, for Elden Ring's size, I could see something like DS2's Scholar of the First Sin edition being a more effective direction with changes to the base game that tell things a bit further than before and expand on the more empty areas or previously cut questlines.
@@BlueAsterismSolstice 👌 Ok, well i would be cery happy about it! XD
This shit is "finished" they could barely get things in order by the time that fat grease ball they hired to make the pre game lore. All the pre day one content was scrapped and replaced due to this DLC being developed. It's why the lore is worse than Bloodborne's. Too many rewrites and not enough time. The game itself launched incomplete. Imagine 23 empty chests. Imagine different mobs. Imagine RoB with Faith scaling. Imagine whole ass weapons missing like the default Katana unless you go for the Samurai class. Imagine Frenzy being noted by purple in your build up. Imagine Maliketh having purple in his destined death attack. Imagine if they just wrote the damn game themselves. Not hard. All they do is rehash the same damn things over and over again.
There is the sound of tapping your hands on the desk throughout the recorsing and its very distracting...
@FoxBatinaHat I have noticed that the mic I'm using picks up a bit of sound made under the table I'm using, but it's not exactly a good table. I'll have to look into preventing stuff like that a bit better. The mic itself rests on the table, so I think it's absorbing it more loudly than I hear it.
I just can’t get myself into the metal state of someone who doesn’t see the obvious truth of Melina being the Gloam Eyed Queen. The Apostle served Destined Death, aka they served the Gloam Eyed Queen. Melina’s eye changed color and then she mentions Destined Death. It’s clear as can be imo
@austinlanger4767 i always seen it as her turning into a shadow like Blaidd. We don't actually hear of where shadows come from to Empyreans, but we know there's still entities that we can't explain yet like Wormface and the revenants. The people of night just want to replace order, and Melina's similarity to their Black Knife Assassins could verify she wouldn't have a greatsword and instead been an underling in service for something, but the Golden Order tends to not speak of a lot of things, and we know Melina is confirmed Messmer's younger sister which would mean to be GEQ she would have to inherit Death after Messmer.
It's because her identity as the GEQ seems to contradict her known previous identity as the kindling maiden. If Melina is the GEQ, why would she lead a Godskins Apostasy against the gods, while also being loyal to Marika and going on a journey to fulfill the purpose set by her? Marika had Maliketh defeat the GEQ and seal the Rune of Death; if she wanted Melina to pursue her goals, why ask Maliketh to stop her? Also, Ranni does not list Melina as one of the Empyrean children of Marika, but we know the GEQ was one.
@@tristanneal9552 Because they are split beings like Marika/Radagon, and Miquella/St Trina I guess. Or even more likely is Marika sealed her away in the same way she sealed destined death in Maliketh and the Serpent in Melina's brother. "Sealing away destined death" could have a double meaning as both sealing DD itself in Maliketh, and also sealing away The GEQ (the wielder of DD) in Melina.
I am reasoning backwards because it is just too obvious that we are meant to infer that Melina is the GEQ
because elden ring is too complex for face value concepts to make sense sadly
@k2geekd I have actually a working theory concept for the lore to a fundamental level of what becomes the more believable scale. It's something that I call Inverse Lore Theory, and it's my take on how they wanted to make the game more Elden Ring and less Dark Souls, but it's a concept too broad to talk about in text structure alone. I might make a video on it, but I've seen a lot of lore people make similar small inferences well after I started looking into it 2 years ago-ish.