One bit of evidence Beth might be a shifter is Paul leaves her body behind in the workshop, but when Will arrives shortly after the incident there is no body.
Microsoft needs to release the rights to Remedy ASAP. I love quantum break and it breaks my heart to see it locked in the close for no god damn reason!
I still think we may see something in the next 5 years or so. We got announcement that Rockstar is letting Remedy use the Max Payne property recently. As they get bigger it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft came to some sort of deal on QB.
Honestly, ever since I played the game I was hoping to find a loophole that would allow Beth to return but never thought of this! Fantastic video, as always.
Love to see this, as a firm believer Beth is still out there. I’m due for a replay, but I’ve always been a believer that the “rules of time travel” that Paul, Beth, and Jack believe they know are incorrect. If they were right about the inevitability of time’s flow, shifters wouldn’t exist because there would only be one timeline, and it’s clear that Hatch is actively trying to maintain the timeline, which he wouldn’t need to do if it was guaranteed.
Seriously she was probably my favorite character in the game. Hands down. How her story came full circle in the form of a greek tragedy is poetically done.
Beth Wilder is such a tragic character. I really wished MS would get off their asses and commissioned Remedy to develop a sequel to Quantum Break. Beth deserves to be saved. I don't even mind if such a sequel is kept as an exclusive to the Windows Store, I would still buy it on release since now the Northlight Engine is an extremely mature toolset and the horrible optimization issues we faced on PC were almost entirely gone in Control.
I think Beth is much better of a character than jack. Frankly I would love to see a game with her as rhe protagonist. Jack was such a flat character. I swear I will freak out if we get a sequel greenlit
@@GamingUniversityUoG yeah, and recalling back to the incident at Will's workshop, when Paul's Chronon syndrome was first triggered and Beth was killed, all three present there on that moment were exposed to massive amounts of Chronon Radiation, so there's a story precedent for Beth having become chronon active at that moment. Maybe they could use that as a plot hook to enable Jack to violate causality and save her from her fate.
good god I feel dense. Despite how much playtime I have in quantum Break it wasn't until now that I realized that Bradbury Pool is/could be a reference to Ray Bradbury's The Sound of Thunder and its themes of changing the future through time travel. Admittedly, I haven't read it since I was like.. 12, so 20ish years ago lol
I love the idea that she was exposed to chronon energy and could be a shifter, it could potentially even connect to Jesse Faden looking just like her in Control. Obviously I’m just spitballing but that could make more sense out of the fact that Jesse and Dylan are always alluded to being one and the same. Maybe she shifted into another world and the reality shifted to make the only child of Dylan a twin instead.
Hey Professor! What a coincidence seeing this video in my feed; I've been thinking a lot about Wilder lately! Gonna grab a snack, settle down and enjoy! Also, is it just me or; "For he did not know, that beyond the lake he called home, Lies a deeper, darker ocean green. Where waves are both WILDER and more SERENE. To its ports I've been, To its ports I've been." "Quantum Break" takes place in the city of Riverport, Massachusets. East coastern city meaning that it flows into the Atlantic ocean. An interesting thing about the Atlantic ocean off the eastern coast of the US is that due to the high presense of presence of algae and plant life, the water is green. Curious, don't you think?
Another wonderful episode/lesson. Beth`s storyline is one of the reasons Quantum Break is in my top3 best games ever played. Even above Control. I consider her one of the most tragic characters in media - movies or games. Her scene really hit me hard when I played a game for the first time. And I mean - hard. You actually brought it back to a point I had to pause a video at 8:27 for a minute. I truly hope AW 2 will connect QB storyline and we will have more answers or maybe setup to QB dlc with more answers? Anything would be nice.
If we do get a link it will probably be in control 2. I agree though. No joke I was recording myself play this game blind for my old channel and at her death I had to end the recording. It messed me up.
Amica de Rune is now the ruling queen of tragic characters. And from the comments you gather that many feel the emotions of her tragedy weeks or months after.
When you walk through the time machine, you see each time Beth has walked in the machine, if you stand in front of the silhouettes you can make out who they are, but what is also wild and never really explained in the story but its implied is that Martin Hatch used the machine too. You can see several of his silhouettes in the machine going and coming. He was the one who set all the events in motion, he was using Beth and Jack and Paul for his own ends. He is also the one who sabotaged the machine so it would fail.
I'm not sure I could live with knowledge of the future, I could not resolve the dichotomy of free will and fate, choice and destiny. I would be so incredibly broken, simply floating along in the river of time. I would be just as unable to cope with sudden uncertainly as Beth was.
I wonder if Controls Jesse Faden is a version of Beth who broke the chain. Didn’t get or didn’t give the notebook to the kid, and as such her whole life changed?
Wouldn't work this way. Jesse was born and raised in Ordinary while Beth was in Riverport. Mostly just Remedy liking to have the same actors. I mean James McCaffrey is Max payne, Thomas zane and Trench.
I'm glad that you are making more videos on Quantum Break. Edit:The behind Wake ending the Alex Casey series by killing off the main character is most likely influenced by the Stephen King book Misery, where the main character Paul Sheldon, also a writer, ends his series of books by the same method and for the same reasons.
Oh yeah. During the adventure guide they make a lot of references to Misery. Alan thinking that rose will lock him up and make him write. Granted this is only in the strategy guide its mentioned. I read Misery right after the adventure guide because of this. TONS of that book in AW.
It's interesting that the lesson everyone seems to pick up is that the timeline can't be changed, when the events of the game demonstrably show that it *can*. Junction points, for example, are distinctly different timelines. Even Monarch is tracking Quantum Ripples. The question starts to be less "can the timeline be changed" and more "is there a point where an event is too big to be changed," and then that leads into questions on whether a series of smaller changes -- inconsequential in isolation -- could be done in lieu of one big change. I do like the idea that Beth is now chronon-active like Paul and Jack, but even if she's not, I feel like sufficient groundwork has been laid that the potential exists for Jack to save her life.
I think the usual explanation for this line of thinking that the past is set but the future can be changed. However, if something in the future has already been experiencing it technically exists in that person's past so it cant be changed. Anything the individual hasn't experienced in the future can be altered. If that makes sense. I may make a video on this.
I love that Monarch and the game itself present an interesting caveat for a solution. While what will happen is set, how it happens is not. Monarch became powerful by leveraging businesses that were bound to be successful, and by piggybacking off their success, it became a major player. You need to redirect the energy of the river's flow, rather than try to fight the current or alter the river's course.
This makes me wonder... why does remedy recast its actors? Maybe Jesse is the reincarnation of Beth, unaware of her past, written anew by Alan Wake in an "Ordinary town" with a "brother" that for some reason, in the bigger field of view of the boarded is the same as her sister. Beth written/shifted to a new reality where she manifested as two possibilities, a girl that would become the director and a boy who would be possessed by the hiss, but the board sees through this confusing veil and notices how they're both the same. That's why Hatch mentions that she might have shifted, but she won't be the same person we knew (Beth) anymore. He/ Mr. Door had already met one version of her (Dylan) in the hiss dream
Yeah! I just made a comment stating the same thing!! (I hadnt seen yours yet and my brain needed to info dump before I could forget what I wanted to say haha!) But I 100% agree with your theory!!
I recently actually played for the first time and than again to 100% it. Loved every second of it!!! I had pretty much the same conclusion about Beth when this scene played out before me. I was like She's too close to the Countermeasure as its spilling out all its Chronon charge....Heck she closed the darn thing! Ground Zero behaves unpredictably, and that soon after its creation chaos probably reigns! She had to be affected in some way by the Chronons from the Countermeasure. Ground zero in a way could be her savior or effect her even worse than the Countermeasure. Hopefully one day we will have a Quantum Break 2 and have our answers!
This is one of my favorite games from Remedy since the Max Payne series and this is one of my favorite videos I've found on Quantum Break. Beth was such a tragic character and the game does a great job of giving you some hope that you can save her and stop it from happening, but then strips that same hope away from Jack near the end. She is without a doubt the main catalyst for most of the feelings, I as a player, experienced as I went through the game. I will say that there appears to be a misunderstanding (either mine or in the video). You claim that the events of Beth dropping the counter measure are what causes the Fracture, but if I'm not mistaken this is incorrect. Ground Zero (the dropping of the counter measure) is where Monarch uses their tech to essentially farm chronon. However the Fracture itself was caused by the time machine being activated at the university with the incorrect data which Will fixes after the Fracture has already taken place. The general assumption was, that the time machine itself was faulty therefore activating it is what caused the Fracture to begin with. That's not to say that dropping the counter measure didn't also cause time to break, I was simply pointing out that by definition what happens with the counter measure isn't the actual Fracture. Either way... loved this video.
10:42 She is a shifter, right? Because at the end of time, she was able to move like Paul. And like Paul who even after dying came to life and jumped to stop Jack and Will when they were using the Counter Measure/CSR, same way how Martin Hatch was alive even after being killed. Although I think that when Counter Measure was activated, it stripped away shifter abilties from Paul and thus erased him from existence i.e. all realities..
my personal gripe with stories where a future self tells their past self of their future, while also telling them they cant change it......NEVER GIVES GOOD ENOUGH DIRECTIONS TO EVEN BEGIN TO TRY TO CHANGE IT, they are always just "you can't, so dont even try" even though they know they will try........just once, id like to see an amazing plan laid out, only for the MC to somehow still fail, change the plan, try again, and still fail, like, i want PROOF they cant change things, not just conjecture, you know? but thinking about it logically, that right there would actually be proof that it COULD change, as the directions themselves keep changing.....its like a catch 22......
Well in Beth's journal she does say she tried over and over to make changes while she was stuck in the past. Same thing with Paul. Both spent a lot of time in this and concluded it couldn't be changed because they were batting 0-100 with their attempts.
There is one moment in this game, only a few seconds in length, that has bothered me endlessly ever since I first saw it happen; How Wilder ends up witnessing the 'End of time' event. The moment happens during the sequence when Jack and Wilder are about to travel back in time together. As Wilder and Jack are preparing to walk the time travel promenade together, Wilder is ahead of Jack, and as the doors to the time machine open, Wilder enters the wrong side of the machine: She walks left when she should've gone right. The time machine promenade works like an analogue clock dial; If you are going into the future, you walk the promenade clockwise. Going back in time you walk it counter-clockwise. I can't figure out how Wilder managed to make the mistake of going left instead of right. She's been training all her life for this, and obviously she knows how an analogue clock works, and yet she goes left. As for there being any hope for Wilder? I'd gonna have to go with no; You cannot change what has already happened. Because if you could, then that would erase the whole reason for you going back in time in the first place. The only thing you could possibly end up doing is causing a Casual Loop occurrence, becoming what caused the event that you went back in time to try to change. Consider the following example: You've picked up a bar of chocolate at the store, when you return home, you leave it on the kitchen counter while you go do laundry or whatever. When you return, the chocolate bar is gone. Your roommate ate it while you were busy with chores. You decide to go back in time to prevent your chocolate bar from being eaten. But seeing as the chocolate bar being eaten is the catalyst for you going back in time, this event cannot be changed. Upon realizing this, you go back in time and eat the chocolate bar yourself, and upon doing so, you've created a Casual loop: You yourself caused the very thing that you were trying so hard to prevent. And judging by certain entries in Wilder's journal, in my opinion it is hinted towards her doing just that. Before 9/11, Wilder made several attempts at changing a defining moment relating to how the story unfolds; Preventing the death of Jack and Will's parents.
First time beth saw this time machine was the day she walked into it. The one at monarch was under lock and key. Jack had this corridor situation explained to him at the beginning of the game. Beth never did so she didn't know about this feature. Also the method of her coming back has nothing to do with time travel like I mentioned. Essentially the chrono radiation she went through right before her death would put her in a state of quantum superposition. While one version dies another keeps going. It is the same method Martin Hatch uses to survive death. We see this happen in the game.
In-game memo: "Parents Killed in Riverport Car Crash Article December 22, 1999 PARENTS KILLED IN BRADBURY CAR CRASH Holiday cheer is in short supply in the Riverport community of Bradbury after a tragic car crash claimed the lives of a married couple, Anthony and Kathryn Joyce. The accident took place within walking distance of the family’s front door on Princeton Street in the early afternoon. Kathryn Joyce, who was driving, lost control of their car after a collision with another vehicle and crashed into a utility pole. The other car left the scene of the accident. The Joyces were both well-known in the Bradbury area as prominent members of the community. Last year they were recognized by the mayor for their charity efforts, particularly the Riverport Multiple Sclerosis Walk they have organized every year since 1993. The couple left behind two children: the promising young physicist Dr. William Joyce and Jack Joyce (still underage). A candlelight vigil will be held for Anthony and Kathryn on Sunday to unite the grieving family, friends and the community during this tragic time." Excerpt from Wilder's journal: "I tried to stop the rise of Monarch. I tried to stop Paul Serene. Both versions of him. Every action was negated by the force of a timeline that cannot be bent or broken. I’ve tried to stop tragedy as well. Jack’s parents, Christmas of 1999. I knew what happened to them. This time I was there. Car crashed exactly as it was supposed to. My presence only led it to happen as it always did." That final bit there: "My presence only led it to happen as it always did." - Meaning that her involvement was what caused the accident in the first place, creating a Causal loop where she became the causal agent of the car crash, taking the place of whoever was initially responsible. If her actions here had changed nothing, then there would be no reason for her to say that her presence had any bearing on what happened. Suppose this is what happened, that she accidentally created a Causal Loop and thus becoming the reason behind the car crash that killed the Joyce parents - That's some serious mental anguish adding to the realization that past events cannot be undone.
But how about the future? Can that be changed since it is yet to have happened? Well... The very thing Wilder is trying to prevent is actually inevitable. It's called the Big Freeze; It is the ultimate fate of the universe in which we live in. Energy is what causes the phenomenon that we've named the passing of time: "The heat death of the universe (also known as the Big Chill or Big Freeze) is a hypothesis on the ultimate fate of the universe, which suggests the universe will evolve to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and will, therefore, be unable to sustain processes that increase entropy." The only difference between our universe and the "Quantum Break" universe is that the inevitable end of time will happen considerably earlier than it is supposed to. That, to my understanding, is what CAN be changed; The when, not the if.
As for the interaction between Jack and Frozen Wilder at the end of the game; My understanding of this is that Jack hasn't learned a damn thing through all of this; Wilder specifically tells him that the past CANNOT be changed! And to "Let it go." What Jack whispers into Wilder's ear at the end shows that he is not letting it go, he is going to continue to try to change what cannot be changed. Jack REFUSING to listen to those who knows best has been an issue of his since the very beginning: He shows up to help Serene boot up the broken time machine, deliberately keeping his brother in the dark about it. If you were presented with the scenario on who to trust with regards to matters of a scientific nature/time travel, who would you listen to? Dr. William Joyce - Doctorate in Quantum-Physics, who contributed in demonstrating the existence of Chronon particles, and the Meyer-Joyce field, and who single-handedly invented and built the first EVER time machine. Or Paul Serene - Who went to business school! I'm Team William Joyce all the way cause, unlike Jack, I actually listen when people more qualified than me on a subject tries to explain something to me. So, how does it all end? With Jack accepting the proposition made by Mr. Hatch, replacing Serene as director at Monarch Solutions. Fucking idiot! In my opinion, if there is any hope at all here, it is in the hands of someone else; Director Jesse Faden. In "Control" there are a series of photographs of Faden to be found, taken of her before she arrived at the Oldest House, by the FBC while they were keeping tabs on her whereabouts. Among these photos there is one of Faden meeting with an unidentified individual who is wearing a beanie hat, a hoodie and a jacket ontop - The exact same outfit as Wilder was wearing at the end of QB. There is also a circle and a question mark written in red marker pen on the photo, drawing attention to this individual being something more than just a random person. That's all I got in terms of there being hope. Thanks for the video! Awesome and thought-provoking as always, and it's great that you're bringing some discussion and attention towards Wilder; She is a selfless hero, regardless of if her efforts turns out being all for naught.
@@GamingUniversityUoG: "Also the method of her coming back has nothing to do with time travel like I mentioned. Essentially the chrono radiation she went through right before her death would put her in a state of quantum superposition. While one version dies another keeps going. It is the same method Martin Hatch uses to survive death. We see this happen in the game." But Hatch is a completely different case than others whom underwent extreme exposure to Chronon particles. Hatch is the very first known time travellered, predating Will inventing the time machine. Hatch's initial extreme exposure to Chronon particles was through him stumbling upon a naturally-occurring time machine in a cave somewhere in Africa, remember? As for known Chronon Disrupted Wave Function Subjects as a result of suffering extreme exposure due to being involved in Project Promenade, there's Dr. Kim, who I'm sure you would agree is nothing like Hatch: Dr. Kim is just uncontrolably violent towards anything that moves. I don't recall seeing him dying and then popping back up again. In fact... I don't remember seeing him doing anything at all, except look HORRIFYING on the surveillance camera stills. Also, if his existence is as you put it 'in a state of quantum superposition', there would be no point for Hatch to trap Kim in that holding cell in the laboratory basement, would it? It wouldn't be able to contain someone who doesn't abide by the fundemental principles of quantum mechanics, no? Gonna include a transcript of the memo where Hatch goes into detail about his past and exposure etc in the next comment. It's a bit lengthy cause boy does he LOVE to hear himself talk!
Video contained massive spoilers but I absolutely recommend it. For me to this day it`s in my personal top3 games of all time. Just approach it with a proper mind - game has a huge story not only in front of you but in plenty materials scattered around. It`s not "I`m tired but I have some time to play" type of game. I actually came with that approach in 2016 and with a desire to meet plenty of story and backstory and it got delivered. I was awestruck most of the time (gameplay-wise included), completely immersed.
Speculation: What if Polaris (or Jesse Polaris) is somehow related to Beth Wilder? 👀 If Remedy ever comes to an agreement with Microsoft, I think we'll see a Control "Quantum Break" DLC as a teaser for a Quantum Break sequel, like they did with Alan Wake.
I love how this game in some way connected to the control as i've heard control supposed to be QB 2 , like in this game how we are defeated by written sequels of events and how bound and in some way enslaved But in control everything is like the opposite, as the name suggests And similarities between beth and jesse as they both had a guide throughout their journey and in some way Polaris could be shifting version of herself if this game was a sequel to QB 1
This really is one of my favourite games, I wish it was part of the Wake continuity but he seems to be a fictional character in this game. Still, we get to enjoy two damn fine game universes.
@@xCarnageV1 I could see Remedy doing exactly that and it would be very cool and surreal. More then anything tho i just hope its good. I loved Max Payne.
8:49 I don't see how Beth's involvement has anything to do with the fracture, can you elaborate? IIRC the fracture was caused by the time machine experiment done by Jack and Paul.
That's the red herring of the game. There were two events in the game that broke time. The 2nd one was the experiment. This sped up the damage. But the first one was back in time when Beth was killed. The CFR opened and was the zero point for the fracture. Monarch even calls this place the Ground Zero site.
The way to save her seems to lie in the Counter Measure: When activated at the end of the game, Serene was brought back from his head injury. Jack and William could travel back to the moment Beth was shot and the moment right after try to save her and travel back with her to the future, to a moment after the events of the first game. When the end of time happens and why is still open. It could be in 10 years, 50 or 100.
Nice vid. Lots of interesting questions here but still no answers unfortunately. But thank you for the four points about the character. It is something else I can add to my writing
Was it intentional to name the video Beth’s Hope since she is played by Courtney Hope, who by the way is also Jessey Faden in Control? Found your channel after completing Control and it is awesome!
The story of quantum break constantly tells you that time cannot be changed and people cannot be saved - but at the same time it's also a video game that offers player choices that change who lives and who dies at the end. We are constantly told the rules of time travel mean that anything that has happened will always happen but that is a lie, proven by the multiple versions of events based on player choices and finding pebbles, the fracture happening faster than Paul had foreseen, and the end of time being prevented. Beth as a shifter makes a lot of sense, but I also don't think the past is as set as stone as so many of the characters think it is.
I have an explanation for this discrepancy and intend to make a video on. It comes down to the observed last cannot be changed but the unseen future is open to change. 4th dimensionally speaking, things in the future can be in the past of a characters point of view which causes the confusion.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Right, but Paul and Beth's observed past includes the end of time in 2021, and that observed past is changed even though both of them are convinced it can't be. It's clear at the end of the game Jack hopes the past can be changed even after everything he's seen.
I never played Quantum Break, so my reaction to this video was: "Wait, is that Courtney Hope? Does she play two separate characters in the Remedyverse? I'm pretty sure there are some theories that connect Beth and Jesse Faden..."
Yes that's courtney lol. Nick in this game is also the actor for Dylon Faden. Remedy has a habit of using the same actors. There is a photo in the p6 investigation area that looks like jesse and beth talking to each other. Granted it is only from behind and shows her beanie so no proof. Just a very similar look.
With Phil Spencer at the head of Xbox and having friendly policies with different developers, I see it very likely that they will give most of the QB rights to Remedy or a contract that allows them to use the IP freely. That's my hope
I hope they do what Rockstar just did. Allowed remedy to work with the IP. Rockstar is funding the MP 1/2 remake and once Remedy pays back that investment the rest is theirs. If they can strike a similar deal with Microsoft we are golden.
This was a great character analysis for Beth. However there’s a more heavier theory that Beth never died at all where she won’t have to become a shifter or an enemy.
I have a special request, could you do a full explaination of the QB story, the complexity of the loops, the past and present events, the paradoxes and loopholes are just too difficult to grasp even with multiple playthroughs. One particular thing is, does the Paul that we see, actually go through multiple loops, or is it just one Paul who did the loop once. It's just confusing, I hope you can make a comprehensive and chronological story explaination.
I dont think we will get a QB2, unless they are gonna recast Reddick who played Hatch, which seems kinda impossible to do. They COULD use his ingame model and scrap the live-action movie esque, but I doubt it.
If Beth is a shifter, I don't think it was the case until *right* before her death when the countermeasure activated. That said, esp given there's a new AW2 DLC staring the same actress as yet another character, I think there's a reasonable chance she is somehow linked to Jesse Faden. "You're a copy of a copy of a copy.."
Jesse Dylan faden… omg… what if she was as Dylan first. But then Polaris found remnants of Beth inside. Split them apart. And maybe when Jesse meets Polaris. That’s really what Polaris has the power to give, individuation? And all that to have her literally save the world! It’s amazing. It explains why Mr door visited Dylan not Jesse. Because of the connection to Beth/jesse he found her, but since Dylan was the original host body. Maybe that has something to do with door finding him.
I always had the theory that the End of Time wasn't THE END but AN end. That in the universe, it probably happened before and will happen after but because the only one that experiences it are shifters and shifters in becoming, they don't get that time would restart at some point. Same with the time machines. The way they are explained, there is no way for them to travel beyond a place without chronon particules, a time wall if you will, aka an end of time, which is why the machine bug and traveling too far in the future result everytime to it.
How shall we put this? If one transcends past the point where Time is flow to the place where Time is a object, then one can manipulate it like human manipulates a pen. If such was the case, then, sure "Beth" may be alive and not a lot..
I have a theory and idea that maybe Jesse Faden is a reimagining of Beth but where she was the main protagonist as at times she seemed more competent than Jack. I think that maybe Alan Wake was aware of Quantum Break and pulled from it and reworked a character that could help him and also not fail and be the hero of the story.
Well jesse is her own person. The art book flat out says Alan didn't have anything to do with creating her. If anything j see Jesse as a reimagining of Samantha Wells since that character was a prototype for what eventually became Jesse.
My brain just did a thing and this doesnt have to be true, but I kinda like the idea 😂 What if Beth did shift, but into the Control universe as Jesse? I just finished QB and am on my 3 play of Control: It is theorized that Dylan and Jesse my be two parts of the same person, and what if that did sorta happen and Dylan Jesse Faden was split into Dylan and Jesse separately but Jesse is Beth from the QB universe and her shifting did that or something? I dunno how to explain it well, but thats what my brain came up with 😂 And it is semi confirmed that Mr Door is most likely Hatch and that Shifters can take on any form 🤷♀️
Considering what they established in AW2 with Tim Breaker I think it is likely that the effects of becoming a shifter kind of splits them into different realities.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Ooo! Okay! That sounds like it makes sense!! I havent watched any play throughs just yet of AW2 so I didnt know that! Im gonna have to catch up 😂
I would love it if Quantum Break got a sequel also if Qb where to be in the same universe as Control would the evente in Riverport be classefied as an Awe? Another thing i can see happening if Qb where to be in Controls universe is the Fbc launching an Investigation into Monarch and their chronon tech, it would be cool to see an Fbc document thats all about Monarch and the Riverport incident but this crossover likley wont happen due to murkey legal rights situation the Qb ip is in
Yeah I can see the FBC labeling monarch as a para criminal organization. Probably a lower class one though. Hatch being an altered entity like Ahti or the Not-Mother. Personally, I look at it as a pocket universe set adjacent to the prime one where Alan and jesse are.
Honestly I really think Thomas Zane the movie maker(the poet) has something to do with changing her role from Beth Wilder to Jessie Faden. I know this is a far fetch theory just the new Zane's profession as the film maker and including Alan Wake as the writer both using their creative artistic skills to completely change reality or a person role. In Quantum break demo Jack Joyce is portrayed by the character who plays Dylan Faden in Control and later his ROLE got switched. There is something crazy going on with Zane and sometimes I think Mr scratch is Thomas Zane himself or his evil doppelganger not Alan's.
Yes, I noticed that about Jack Joyce originally being Dylan as well! I think you’re right, I think the sudden pivot to Tom being a filmmaker is going to make for some really interesting plot points.
One bit of evidence Beth might be a shifter is Paul leaves her body behind in the workshop, but when Will arrives shortly after the incident there is no body.
Microsoft needs to release the rights to Remedy ASAP. I love quantum break and it breaks my heart to see it locked in the close for no god damn reason!
I still think we may see something in the next 5 years or so. We got announcement that Rockstar is letting Remedy use the Max Payne property recently. As they get bigger it wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft came to some sort of deal on QB.
@@GamingUniversityUoGHopefully!
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Play the new Alan Wake 2 - Night Springs: Time Breaker episode. It's pretty much a sequel to Quantum Break in every way.
@@Shifft-This I've been holding out because I hate Epic... damn it Remedy, you might be the thing that breaks me.
Honestly, ever since I played the game I was hoping to find a loophole that would allow Beth to return but never thought of this! Fantastic video, as always.
It's the only way I can figure to make this work. Seems plausible enough. And thanks dude!
Wilder is good people!
Love to see this, as a firm believer Beth is still out there. I’m due for a replay, but I’ve always been a believer that the “rules of time travel” that Paul, Beth, and Jack believe they know are incorrect. If they were right about the inevitability of time’s flow, shifters wouldn’t exist because there would only be one timeline, and it’s clear that Hatch is actively trying to maintain the timeline, which he wouldn’t need to do if it was guaranteed.
Ahhhhhhhh remedy needs these rights back, I need quantum break 2
I'm still holding out hope
One of the hardest battle you can fight is against yourself. But what makes Beth's character even more tragic is that she knew the outcome.
Seriously she was probably my favorite character in the game. Hands down. How her story came full circle in the form of a greek tragedy is poetically done.
Beth Wilder is such a tragic character. I really wished MS would get off their asses and commissioned Remedy to develop a sequel to Quantum Break. Beth deserves to be saved. I don't even mind if such a sequel is kept as an exclusive to the Windows Store, I would still buy it on release since now the Northlight Engine is an extremely mature toolset and the horrible optimization issues we faced on PC were almost entirely gone in Control.
I think Beth is much better of a character than jack. Frankly I would love to see a game with her as rhe protagonist. Jack was such a flat character. I swear I will freak out if we get a sequel greenlit
@@GamingUniversityUoG yeah, and recalling back to the incident at Will's workshop, when Paul's Chronon syndrome was first triggered and Beth was killed, all three present there on that moment were exposed to massive amounts of Chronon Radiation, so there's a story precedent for Beth having become chronon active at that moment. Maybe they could use that as a plot hook to enable Jack to violate causality and save her from her fate.
good god I feel dense. Despite how much playtime I have in quantum Break it wasn't until now that I realized that Bradbury Pool is/could be a reference to Ray Bradbury's The Sound of Thunder and its themes of changing the future through time travel. Admittedly, I haven't read it since I was like.. 12, so 20ish years ago lol
Haha yep! Plus the butterfly I'm question from Sound of Thunder is in Monarch's Logo
I love the idea that she was exposed to chronon energy and could be a shifter, it could potentially even connect to Jesse Faden looking just like her in Control.
Obviously I’m just spitballing but that could make more sense out of the fact that Jesse and Dylan are always alluded to being one and the same. Maybe she shifted into another world and the reality shifted to make the only child of Dylan a twin instead.
Hey Professor! What a coincidence seeing this video in my feed; I've been thinking a lot about Wilder lately! Gonna grab a snack, settle down and enjoy!
Also, is it just me or;
"For he did not know, that beyond the lake he called home,
Lies a deeper, darker ocean green.
Where waves are both WILDER and more SERENE.
To its ports I've been,
To its ports I've been."
"Quantum Break" takes place in the city of Riverport, Massachusets. East coastern city meaning that it flows into the Atlantic ocean. An interesting thing about the Atlantic ocean off the eastern coast of the US is that due to the high presense of presence of algae and plant life, the water is green.
Curious, don't you think?
In CONTROL one of esseJ lines is " uoy naht REDLIW hcum m´I" ;)
Haha I love that detail. Once I heard it I just started laughing lol.
I like the idea one of the biggest stutters occurring at the same time as the breach in the oldest house.
We know that one of the Quantum ripples caused a power outage in Ordinary. As far as I can see that's the closest connection we have in QB
@@GamingUniversityUoG That and the Alan Wake easter egg at the beginning with FBI Agent Alex Casey
I honestly want to see a post-Trench directorial landscape where Jesse decides to have the FBC maintain a level of transparency with the public.
Another wonderful episode/lesson. Beth`s storyline is one of the reasons Quantum Break is in my top3 best games ever played. Even above Control. I consider her one of the most tragic characters in media - movies or games. Her scene really hit me hard when I played a game for the first time. And I mean - hard. You actually brought it back to a point I had to pause a video at 8:27 for a minute.
I truly hope AW 2 will connect QB storyline and we will have more answers or maybe setup to QB dlc with more answers? Anything would be nice.
If we do get a link it will probably be in control 2.
I agree though. No joke I was recording myself play this game blind for my old channel and at her death I had to end the recording. It messed me up.
Amica de Rune is now the ruling queen of tragic characters. And from the comments you gather that many feel the emotions of her tragedy weeks or months after.
When you walk through the time machine, you see each time Beth has walked in the machine, if you stand in front of the silhouettes you can make out who they are, but what is also wild and never really explained in the story but its implied is that Martin Hatch used the machine too. You can see several of his silhouettes in the machine going and coming. He was the one who set all the events in motion, he was using Beth and Jack and Paul for his own ends. He is also the one who sabotaged the machine so it would fail.
I'm not sure I could live with knowledge of the future, I could not resolve the dichotomy of free will and fate, choice and destiny. I would be so incredibly broken, simply floating along in the river of time. I would be just as unable to cope with sudden uncertainly as Beth was.
Plus it takes the fun out of life. It's the reason the first time reading a book is more exciting because we don't know what's going to happen.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Too true, I wish I could forget my favourite book series, just delete them so I could be enraptured all over again.
I wonder if Controls Jesse Faden is a version of Beth who broke the chain. Didn’t get or didn’t give the notebook to the kid, and as such her whole life changed?
Wouldn't work this way. Jesse was born and raised in Ordinary while Beth was in Riverport. Mostly just Remedy liking to have the same actors. I mean James McCaffrey is Max payne, Thomas zane and Trench.
I'm glad that you are making more videos on Quantum Break.
Edit:The behind Wake ending the Alex Casey series by killing off the main character is most likely influenced by the Stephen King book Misery, where the main character Paul Sheldon, also a writer, ends his series of books by the same method and for the same reasons.
Oh yeah. During the adventure guide they make a lot of references to Misery. Alan thinking that rose will lock him up and make him write. Granted this is only in the strategy guide its mentioned. I read Misery right after the adventure guide because of this. TONS of that book in AW.
It's interesting that the lesson everyone seems to pick up is that the timeline can't be changed, when the events of the game demonstrably show that it *can*. Junction points, for example, are distinctly different timelines. Even Monarch is tracking Quantum Ripples.
The question starts to be less "can the timeline be changed" and more "is there a point where an event is too big to be changed," and then that leads into questions on whether a series of smaller changes -- inconsequential in isolation -- could be done in lieu of one big change.
I do like the idea that Beth is now chronon-active like Paul and Jack, but even if she's not, I feel like sufficient groundwork has been laid that the potential exists for Jack to save her life.
I think the usual explanation for this line of thinking that the past is set but the future can be changed. However, if something in the future has already been experiencing it technically exists in that person's past so it cant be changed. Anything the individual hasn't experienced in the future can be altered. If that makes sense. I may make a video on this.
I love that Monarch and the game itself present an interesting caveat for a solution. While what will happen is set, how it happens is not. Monarch became powerful by leveraging businesses that were bound to be successful, and by piggybacking off their success, it became a major player. You need to redirect the energy of the river's flow, rather than try to fight the current or alter the river's course.
This makes me wonder... why does remedy recast its actors? Maybe Jesse is the reincarnation of Beth, unaware of her past, written anew by Alan Wake in an "Ordinary town" with a "brother" that for some reason, in the bigger field of view of the boarded is the same as her sister. Beth written/shifted to a new reality where she manifested as two possibilities, a girl that would become the director and a boy who would be possessed by the hiss, but the board sees through this confusing veil and notices how they're both the same. That's why Hatch mentions that she might have shifted, but she won't be the same person we knew (Beth) anymore. He/ Mr. Door had already met one version of her (Dylan) in the hiss dream
Yeah! I just made a comment stating the same thing!! (I hadnt seen yours yet and my brain needed to info dump before I could forget what I wanted to say haha!)
But I 100% agree with your theory!!
I recently actually played for the first time and than again to 100% it. Loved every second of it!!! I had pretty much the same conclusion about Beth when this scene played out before me. I was like She's too close to the Countermeasure as its spilling out all its Chronon charge....Heck she closed the darn thing! Ground Zero behaves unpredictably, and that soon after its creation chaos probably reigns! She had to be affected in some way by the Chronons from the Countermeasure. Ground zero in a way could be her savior or effect her even worse than the Countermeasure. Hopefully one day we will have a Quantum Break 2 and have our answers!
This is one of my favorite games from Remedy since the Max Payne series and this is one of my favorite videos I've found on Quantum Break. Beth was such a tragic character and the game does a great job of giving you some hope that you can save her and stop it from happening, but then strips that same hope away from Jack near the end. She is without a doubt the main catalyst for most of the feelings, I as a player, experienced as I went through the game.
I will say that there appears to be a misunderstanding (either mine or in the video). You claim that the events of Beth dropping the counter measure are what causes the Fracture, but if I'm not mistaken this is incorrect. Ground Zero (the dropping of the counter measure) is where Monarch uses their tech to essentially farm chronon. However the Fracture itself was caused by the time machine being activated at the university with the incorrect data which Will fixes after the Fracture has already taken place. The general assumption was, that the time machine itself was faulty therefore activating it is what caused the Fracture to begin with. That's not to say that dropping the counter measure didn't also cause time to break, I was simply pointing out that by definition what happens with the counter measure isn't the actual Fracture. Either way... loved this video.
10:42 She is a shifter, right? Because at the end of time, she was able to move like Paul. And like Paul who even after dying came to life and jumped to stop Jack and Will when they were using the Counter Measure/CSR, same way how Martin Hatch was alive even after being killed. Although I think that when Counter Measure was activated, it stripped away shifter abilties from Paul and thus erased him from existence i.e. all realities..
i'm a simple person. i see a GU quantum break analysis video, i click like.
Haha how you doing stef? Thanks for stopping by.
my personal gripe with stories where a future self tells their past self of their future, while also telling them they cant change it......NEVER GIVES GOOD ENOUGH DIRECTIONS TO EVEN BEGIN TO TRY TO CHANGE IT, they are always just "you can't, so dont even try" even though they know they will try........just once, id like to see an amazing plan laid out, only for the MC to somehow still fail, change the plan, try again, and still fail, like, i want PROOF they cant change things, not just conjecture, you know?
but thinking about it logically, that right there would actually be proof that it COULD change, as the directions themselves keep changing.....its like a catch 22......
Well in Beth's journal she does say she tried over and over to make changes while she was stuck in the past. Same thing with Paul. Both spent a lot of time in this and concluded it couldn't be changed because they were batting 0-100 with their attempts.
I think I might actually have a movie that fits that. It's called ARQ. I don't want to give too much away.
There is one moment in this game, only a few seconds in length, that has bothered me endlessly ever since I first saw it happen; How Wilder ends up witnessing the 'End of time' event. The moment happens during the sequence when Jack and Wilder are about to travel back in time together. As Wilder and Jack are preparing to walk the time travel promenade together, Wilder is ahead of Jack, and as the doors to the time machine open, Wilder enters the wrong side of the machine: She walks left when she should've gone right. The time machine promenade works like an analogue clock dial; If you are going into the future, you walk the promenade clockwise. Going back in time you walk it counter-clockwise. I can't figure out how Wilder managed to make the mistake of going left instead of right. She's been training all her life for this, and obviously she knows how an analogue clock works, and yet she goes left.
As for there being any hope for Wilder? I'd gonna have to go with no; You cannot change what has already happened. Because if you could, then that would erase the whole reason for you going back in time in the first place. The only thing you could possibly end up doing is causing a Casual Loop occurrence, becoming what caused the event that you went back in time to try to change. Consider the following example:
You've picked up a bar of chocolate at the store, when you return home, you leave it on the kitchen counter while you go do laundry or whatever. When you return, the chocolate bar is gone. Your roommate ate it while you were busy with chores. You decide to go back in time to prevent your chocolate bar from being eaten. But seeing as the chocolate bar being eaten is the catalyst for you going back in time, this event cannot be changed. Upon realizing this, you go back in time and eat the chocolate bar yourself, and upon doing so, you've created a Casual loop: You yourself caused the very thing that you were trying so hard to prevent. And judging by certain entries in Wilder's journal, in my opinion it is hinted towards her doing just that.
Before 9/11, Wilder made several attempts at changing a defining moment relating to how the story unfolds; Preventing the death of Jack and Will's parents.
First time beth saw this time machine was the day she walked into it. The one at monarch was under lock and key. Jack had this corridor situation explained to him at the beginning of the game. Beth never did so she didn't know about this feature.
Also the method of her coming back has nothing to do with time travel like I mentioned. Essentially the chrono radiation she went through right before her death would put her in a state of quantum superposition. While one version dies another keeps going. It is the same method Martin Hatch uses to survive death. We see this happen in the game.
In-game memo:
"Parents Killed in Riverport Car Crash Article
December 22, 1999
PARENTS KILLED IN BRADBURY CAR CRASH
Holiday cheer is in short supply in the Riverport community of Bradbury after a tragic car crash claimed the lives of a married couple, Anthony and Kathryn Joyce. The accident took place within walking distance of the family’s front door on Princeton Street in the early afternoon. Kathryn Joyce, who was driving, lost control of their car after a collision with another vehicle and crashed into a utility pole. The other car left the scene of the accident.
The Joyces were both well-known in the Bradbury area as prominent members of the community. Last year they were recognized by the mayor for their charity efforts, particularly the Riverport Multiple Sclerosis Walk they have organized every year since 1993. The couple left behind two children: the promising young physicist Dr. William Joyce and Jack Joyce (still underage).
A candlelight vigil will be held for Anthony and Kathryn on Sunday to unite the grieving family, friends and the community during this tragic time."
Excerpt from Wilder's journal:
"I tried to stop the rise of Monarch. I tried to stop Paul Serene. Both versions of him. Every action was negated by the force of a timeline that cannot be bent or broken.
I’ve tried to stop tragedy as well. Jack’s parents, Christmas of 1999. I knew what happened to them. This time I was there. Car crashed exactly as it was supposed to. My presence only led it to happen as it always did."
That final bit there: "My presence only led it to happen as it always did." - Meaning that her involvement was what caused the accident in the first place, creating a Causal loop where she became the causal agent of the car crash, taking the place of whoever was initially responsible. If her actions here had changed nothing, then there would be no reason for her to say that her presence had any bearing on what happened.
Suppose this is what happened, that she accidentally created a Causal Loop and thus becoming the reason behind the car crash that killed the Joyce parents - That's some serious mental anguish adding to the realization that past events cannot be undone.
But how about the future? Can that be changed since it is yet to have happened? Well... The very thing Wilder is trying to prevent is actually inevitable. It's called the Big Freeze; It is the ultimate fate of the universe in which we live in. Energy is what causes the phenomenon that we've named the passing of time:
"The heat death of the universe (also known as the Big Chill or Big Freeze) is a hypothesis on the ultimate fate of the universe, which suggests the universe will evolve to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and will, therefore, be unable to sustain processes that increase entropy."
The only difference between our universe and the "Quantum Break" universe is that the inevitable end of time will happen considerably earlier than it is supposed to. That, to my understanding, is what CAN be changed; The when, not the if.
As for the interaction between Jack and Frozen Wilder at the end of the game; My understanding of this is that Jack hasn't learned a damn thing through all of this; Wilder specifically tells him that the past CANNOT be changed! And to "Let it go." What Jack whispers into Wilder's ear at the end shows that he is not letting it go, he is going to continue to try to change what cannot be changed. Jack REFUSING to listen to those who knows best has been an issue of his since the very beginning: He shows up to help Serene boot up the broken time machine, deliberately keeping his brother in the dark about it.
If you were presented with the scenario on who to trust with regards to matters of a scientific nature/time travel, who would you listen to?
Dr. William Joyce - Doctorate in Quantum-Physics, who contributed in demonstrating the existence of Chronon particles, and the Meyer-Joyce field, and who single-handedly invented and built the first EVER time machine.
Or
Paul Serene - Who went to business school!
I'm Team William Joyce all the way cause, unlike Jack, I actually listen when people more qualified than me on a subject tries to explain something to me.
So, how does it all end? With Jack accepting the proposition made by Mr. Hatch, replacing Serene as director at Monarch Solutions. Fucking idiot!
In my opinion, if there is any hope at all here, it is in the hands of someone else; Director Jesse Faden. In "Control" there are a series of photographs of Faden to be found, taken of her before she arrived at the Oldest House, by the FBC while they were keeping tabs on her whereabouts. Among these photos there is one of Faden meeting with an unidentified individual who is wearing a beanie hat, a hoodie and a jacket ontop - The exact same outfit as Wilder was wearing at the end of QB. There is also a circle and a question mark written in red marker pen on the photo, drawing attention to this individual being something more than just a random person. That's all I got in terms of there being hope.
Thanks for the video! Awesome and thought-provoking as always, and it's great that you're bringing some discussion and attention towards Wilder; She is a selfless hero, regardless of if her efforts turns out being all for naught.
@@GamingUniversityUoG: "Also the method of her coming back has nothing to do with time travel like I mentioned. Essentially the chrono radiation she went through right before her death would put her in a state of quantum superposition. While one version dies another keeps going. It is the same method Martin Hatch uses to survive death. We see this happen in the game."
But Hatch is a completely different case than others whom underwent extreme exposure to Chronon particles. Hatch is the very first known time travellered, predating Will inventing the time machine. Hatch's initial extreme exposure to Chronon particles was through him stumbling upon a naturally-occurring time machine in a cave somewhere in Africa, remember?
As for known Chronon Disrupted Wave Function Subjects as a result of suffering extreme exposure due to being involved in Project Promenade, there's Dr. Kim, who I'm sure you would agree is nothing like Hatch: Dr. Kim is just uncontrolably violent towards anything that moves. I don't recall seeing him dying and then popping back up again. In fact... I don't remember seeing him doing anything at all, except look HORRIFYING on the surveillance camera stills.
Also, if his existence is as you put it 'in a state of quantum superposition', there would be no point for Hatch to trap Kim in that holding cell in the laboratory basement, would it? It wouldn't be able to contain someone who doesn't abide by the fundemental principles of quantum mechanics, no?
Gonna include a transcript of the memo where Hatch goes into detail about his past and exposure etc in the next comment. It's a bit lengthy cause boy does he LOVE to hear himself talk!
I’m so glad I was able to watch you play through this it was the one gap In my remedy knowledge, and what a great story it is. Nice video.
Another great video, never played quantum break but I will need to give it a try.
I'd recommend it. It has some odd design choices but over all its great.
Video contained massive spoilers but I absolutely recommend it. For me to this day it`s in my personal top3 games of all time. Just approach it with a proper mind - game has a huge story not only in front of you but in plenty materials scattered around. It`s not "I`m tired but I have some time to play" type of game. I actually came with that approach in 2016 and with a desire to meet plenty of story and backstory and it got delivered. I was awestruck most of the time (gameplay-wise included), completely immersed.
Speculation: What if Polaris (or Jesse Polaris) is somehow related to Beth Wilder? 👀
If Remedy ever comes to an agreement with Microsoft, I think we'll see a Control "Quantum Break" DLC as a teaser for a Quantum Break sequel, like they did with Alan Wake.
I dont think control will get any more DLCs. Remedy has been open about that. Maybe Control 2 though.
I love how this game in some way connected to the control as i've heard control supposed to be QB 2 , like in this game how we are defeated by written sequels of events and how bound and in some way enslaved
But in control everything is like the opposite, as the name suggests
And similarities between beth and jesse as they both had a guide throughout their journey and in some way Polaris could be shifting version of herself if this game was a sequel to QB 1
Your insights are spot on.
This really is one of my favourite games, I wish it was part of the Wake continuity but he seems to be a fictional character in this game. Still, we get to enjoy two damn fine game universes.
Really wish we could officially link them as well. Such a rich source of shenanigans for the FBC to deal with.
I really do believe they’ll keep it in mind as they go forward, even if it’s only a pocket universe with vague references. :p
@@xCarnageV1 Kinda how Alex Casey is very obviously Max Payne.
@@aureateseigneur5317 I’m still really hoping the Max Payne remakes go over really well and we get some weird meta moment with Alex and Max. 🤣
@@xCarnageV1 I could see Remedy doing exactly that and it would be very cool and surreal.
More then anything tho i just hope its good. I loved Max Payne.
Glad to see a new video up! Checked last night while trying to sleep but ended up listening to an older video.
These usually go up at 2am PST. Hope it was worth the wait!
@@GamingUniversityUoG of course, top tier as always 👌
8:49 I don't see how Beth's involvement has anything to do with the fracture, can you elaborate? IIRC the fracture was caused by the time machine experiment done by Jack and Paul.
That's the red herring of the game. There were two events in the game that broke time. The 2nd one was the experiment. This sped up the damage. But the first one was back in time when Beth was killed. The CFR opened and was the zero point for the fracture. Monarch even calls this place the Ground Zero site.
The way to save her seems to lie in the Counter Measure: When activated at the end of the game, Serene was brought back from his head injury. Jack and William could travel back to the moment Beth was shot and the moment right after try to save her and travel back with her to the future, to a moment after the events of the first game. When the end of time happens and why is still open. It could be in 10 years, 50 or 100.
Nice vid. Lots of interesting questions here but still no answers unfortunately. But thank you for the four points about the character. It is something else I can add to my writing
Glad to help in my small way. Good luck with your project!
Was it intentional to name the video Beth’s Hope since she is played by Courtney Hope, who by the way is also Jessey Faden in Control?
Found your channel after completing Control and it is awesome!
I love quantum break it's story was amazing.
Such an awesome game I agree.
The story of quantum break constantly tells you that time cannot be changed and people cannot be saved - but at the same time it's also a video game that offers player choices that change who lives and who dies at the end. We are constantly told the rules of time travel mean that anything that has happened will always happen but that is a lie, proven by the multiple versions of events based on player choices and finding pebbles, the fracture happening faster than Paul had foreseen, and the end of time being prevented. Beth as a shifter makes a lot of sense, but I also don't think the past is as set as stone as so many of the characters think it is.
I have an explanation for this discrepancy and intend to make a video on. It comes down to the observed last cannot be changed but the unseen future is open to change. 4th dimensionally speaking, things in the future can be in the past of a characters point of view which causes the confusion.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Right, but Paul and Beth's observed past includes the end of time in 2021, and that observed past is changed even though both of them are convinced it can't be. It's clear at the end of the game Jack hopes the past can be changed even after everything he's seen.
Interesting
I never played Quantum Break, so my reaction to this video was: "Wait, is that Courtney Hope? Does she play two separate characters in the Remedyverse? I'm pretty sure there are some theories that connect Beth and Jesse Faden..."
Yes that's courtney lol. Nick in this game is also the actor for Dylon Faden. Remedy has a habit of using the same actors. There is a photo in the p6 investigation area that looks like jesse and beth talking to each other. Granted it is only from behind and shows her beanie so no proof. Just a very similar look.
With Phil Spencer at the head of Xbox and having friendly policies with different developers, I see it very likely that they will give most of the QB rights to Remedy or a contract that allows them to use the IP freely.
That's my hope
I hope they do what Rockstar just did. Allowed remedy to work with the IP. Rockstar is funding the MP 1/2 remake and once Remedy pays back that investment the rest is theirs. If they can strike a similar deal with Microsoft we are golden.
Feel like we’ve already seen two Beth’s in Control…
“I’m wilder than you ….”
This was a great character analysis for Beth. However there’s a more heavier theory that Beth never died at all where she won’t have to become a shifter or an enemy.
I have a special request, could you do a full explaination of the QB story, the complexity of the loops, the past and present events, the paradoxes and loopholes are just too difficult to grasp even with multiple playthroughs.
One particular thing is, does the Paul that we see, actually go through multiple loops, or is it just one Paul who did the loop once.
It's just confusing, I hope you can make a comprehensive and chronological story explaination.
I dont think we will get a QB2, unless they are gonna recast Reddick who played Hatch, which seems kinda impossible to do. They COULD use his ingame model and scrap the live-action movie esque, but I doubt it.
The time Breaker DLC of Alan Wake 2 is basically setting up Quantum Break 2.
If Beth is a shifter, I don't think it was the case until *right* before her death when the countermeasure activated.
That said, esp given there's a new AW2 DLC staring the same actress as yet another character, I think there's a reasonable chance she is somehow linked to Jesse Faden. "You're a copy of a copy of a copy.."
She has returned, not as Beth but as Jesse. Yes that was a control reference...don't judge me
Who knows how Shifter's present in other universes. Considering Shawn Ashmore is showing up in Alan Wake 2 it makes me wonder.
Jesse Dylan faden… omg… what if she was as Dylan first. But then Polaris found remnants of Beth inside. Split them apart. And maybe when Jesse meets Polaris. That’s really what Polaris has the power to give, individuation? And all that to have her literally save the world! It’s amazing. It explains why Mr door visited Dylan not Jesse. Because of the connection to Beth/jesse he found her, but since Dylan was the original host body. Maybe that has something to do with door finding him.
I always had the theory that the End of Time wasn't THE END but AN end. That in the universe, it probably happened before and will happen after but because the only one that experiences it are shifters and shifters in becoming, they don't get that time would restart at some point.
Same with the time machines. The way they are explained, there is no way for them to travel beyond a place without chronon particules, a time wall if you will, aka an end of time, which is why the machine bug and traveling too far in the future result everytime to it.
How shall we put this? If one transcends past the point where Time is flow to the place where Time is a object, then one can manipulate it like human manipulates a pen. If such was the case, then, sure "Beth" may be alive and not a lot..
Some version of her may be dead and another alive. Hatch dies 2 arguably 3 times in the game and is still running around.
I saw this video's thumbnail and skimmed the title and I was like "Emily has a sister in Quantum Break?"
I have a theory and idea that maybe Jesse Faden is a reimagining of Beth but where she was the main protagonist as at times she seemed more competent than Jack. I think that maybe Alan Wake was aware of Quantum Break and pulled from it and reworked a character that could help him and also not fail and be the hero of the story.
Well jesse is her own person. The art book flat out says Alan didn't have anything to do with creating her. If anything j see Jesse as a reimagining of Samantha Wells since that character was a prototype for what eventually became Jesse.
@@GamingUniversityUoG
I was thinking it as a way they could vaguely connect quantum break with the other games until they're able to get the IP.
QB2 might happen but after Control 2 or 3?
As of now Remedy has no plans to revisit QB because Microsoft owns the IP. They will have to work out a deal with them first.
My brain just did a thing and this doesnt have to be true, but I kinda like the idea 😂
What if Beth did shift, but into the Control universe as Jesse?
I just finished QB and am on my 3 play of Control:
It is theorized that Dylan and Jesse my be two parts of the same person, and what if that did sorta happen and Dylan Jesse Faden was split into Dylan and Jesse separately but Jesse is Beth from the QB universe and her shifting did that or something?
I dunno how to explain it well, but thats what my brain came up with 😂
And it is semi confirmed that Mr Door is most likely Hatch and that Shifters can take on any form 🤷♀️
Considering what they established in AW2 with Tim Breaker I think it is likely that the effects of becoming a shifter kind of splits them into different realities.
@@GamingUniversityUoG Ooo! Okay! That sounds like it makes sense!!
I havent watched any play throughs just yet of AW2 so I didnt know that! Im gonna have to catch up 😂
I would love it if Quantum Break got a sequel
also if Qb where to be in the same universe as Control would the evente in Riverport be classefied as an Awe?
Another thing i can see happening if Qb where to be in Controls universe is the Fbc launching an Investigation into Monarch and their chronon tech, it would be cool to see an Fbc document thats all about Monarch and the Riverport incident
but this crossover likley wont happen due to murkey legal rights situation the Qb ip is in
Yeah I can see the FBC labeling monarch as a para criminal organization. Probably a lower class one though. Hatch being an altered entity like Ahti or the Not-Mother. Personally, I look at it as a pocket universe set adjacent to the prime one where Alan and jesse are.
@@GamingUniversityUoG i can also see the Fbc building a model of Riverport just like what they did for Bright Falls and Ordiniary
Honestly I really think Thomas Zane the movie maker(the poet) has something to do with changing her role from Beth Wilder to Jessie Faden. I know this is a far fetch theory just the new Zane's profession as the film maker and including Alan Wake as the writer both using their creative artistic skills to completely change reality or a person role. In Quantum break demo Jack Joyce is portrayed by the character who plays Dylan Faden in Control and later his ROLE got switched. There is something crazy going on with Zane and sometimes I think Mr scratch is Thomas Zane himself or his evil doppelganger not Alan's.
Yes, I noticed that about Jack Joyce originally being Dylan as well! I think you’re right, I think the sudden pivot to Tom being a filmmaker is going to make for some really interesting plot points.
If so, one Version surly died.
you are insane
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
beth is alive: she's jesse now