Glad to see that you are still “employing” the Brownies. And a belt driven to boot(brave man). I’ve been a Screw Machinist for 30+ and am in charge of setup and maintenance of 20 of them. They are amazing and frustrating machines. Hope you are still using them.
I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still dont feel comfortable cutting cams for them. I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
I haven't seen any mention of Somma Tools. That's where we got virtually all of our Browne and Sharpe tooling. They can even hook you up to have Cams made so you can optimize your production. You send them a part with associated drawings and they send you a cycle time, a list of required tooling and quotes for the whole kit and cabootle... at least they did in 2003, when I left that job. good luck and keep the videos coming... he said after he realized the video he was responding to was 17 months old.
@@MopedProblems Back in the day the saying was, "we always seem to have time to do it twice, But never have time to do it right" that why it is bad shape and never got fixed
I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still dont feel comfortable cutting cams for them, did you ever figure out how to set them up? I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
I WATCHED WHOLE VIDEO 👍👍👍👍👍👍YOU DID PERFECT JOB 😱😱😱😱I AM IN MANUFACTURING BUSINESS ALL MY LIFE FOR ALMOST 50 😱😱😱😱WHAT EVER YOU DID THE THIS IS DROP IN THE BUCKET 😥😒😰😰HEART OF THIS MACHINE IS SPINDLE and CROESS SIDE and CLUTCH
First quick tip: As you disassemble, keep a 5 gallon bucket half filled with old machining oil handy. And some containes, wire baskets, etc. As you take things off the machine, in the oil they go, overnight, or over months. This will loosen all that greasy gunk you kave all over your hands. Then cleaning is easier. Avoid putting greasy gunk back in your machines, it only attracts more greasy gunk, dirt, rust, etc.
I started out in 1977 learning to setup 2G and 0G world war 2 production brownies in a gear factory in Massachusetts. I bought an idle 0G for 500.00 back then. I knew a guy with a screw machine shop and told him about it. He came to the gear shop, checked it out, handed me 1000.00 and he moved it out of there. Big quick money in those days! Next shop about 1979 worked 00 and 00Gs some with turner overhead belt drives. One was from 1916. The owner of the shop bought it and replaced the spindle bearings and that thing would run nonstop with no issues! Amazing machinery from “ back in the day”!!
I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still don't feel comfortable cutting cams for them, did you ever figure out how to set them up? I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
Do you or anyone you know provide training for these machines? I have one and I read through the manual but I still think I'll need some training on them.
Hey Moped problems! I ran B&S screw machines for most of my 40 plus years machining. Plenty of time on those old belt drives (G series machines). If you have questions, maybe I have answers. Just shout!
I ran some Brown & Sharp screw machines back in the 1970's. The cutting tool cut multiple diameters at the same time & had to be sharped occasionally on a surface grinder - using a small steel ruler/scale to visually line up the cutting surface with the top of the center mounting hole of cutter. Some had turrets. They had automatic feed that would load a new bar & occasionally the pushed had to be hammerd to grip the part better. Sometimes it would be hard to get all the diameters on part to be within tolerance. I was young & decided to find another occupation. The shop had Acme Gridley's, Brown & Sharpes, Davenports & the adjoining company had New Britain's. Did you know that Mr. Gridley started the New Britain Company. He retired in his fifties & got bored, so he started New Britain, so i have read.
Thanks for the vid! I've been learning the Brownie 00. The lone survivor at work surrounded by CNCs. Took awhile to get all the books and manuals together but they are extremely helpful! Can't wait to hear the rumble of it pumping out parts every 22 secs.
As A Brownie lifer, I can tell you B&S had an excellent library concerning their machines from the G series to the Ultramatics, cam and tool design, set up and maitenance. I luched out growing up a few miles from their Providence, RI location, then years later took some classes at the newer North Kingston facility. Outstanding machines, tough, reliable. It took years to collect all the books and as a guy who likes to read anyway, they made all the difference.
Nice :) I still run these at work. We sold one of them a few years back, but we still have two of the 00s and three of the #2s. 8-hole turrets, 2 cross slides & 2 vertical slides.
Nice video, good communication skills. And you are so correct there are very little TH-cam videos out there on how to operate and run a brown & Sharpe screw machine.
Since you're using a flat belt, I recommend taking the pin out and flipping one side of the end 180 degree's, and re-inserting the belts pin. This will form a mobius strip, allowing the belt to run on both faces and doubling the contact area of the belt, in effect doubling the life of the belt. I was taught this trick by an OLD machinist that worked on farms back in the early 20th century and in machineshops that were old when he was starting out his career as a machinist that were still using overhead lineshafts on all their machines.
@@MopedProblems I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still dont feel comfortable cutting cams for them, did you ever figure out how to set them up? I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
A friend of mine bought an automatic screw machine for his model engine replica business back in 1999. He had the same problem, setting up the cogs for your operation is pretty complicated.
A piece of advice, change the gibs and if you have to re-sleeve do so with 6/60 Bronze. I used to set-up and repair 00, 0G, 2, and 2G some wer belt driven and others were not.
Work for a company in Nevada for 24 years had 12 brown/sharp machines had a old boy that was my machine operated he new those machines inside and out very hard to find people that can repair and do the set up
Many of these were built around the time of WWII. People who had factory space could put B&S machines in their buildings at government expense, then gradually learn how to put them to work making things for the war effort. When the war ended, the US sold them to these shops for $1.00 a piece.
Bro. I AM SO HAPPY that you are making these videos. Ive been learning brown and sharpes for the last year. I run 00g, 0g, 2g, #2 & #3 ultramatics. There is a comapny from dayton ohio called Dial machine that specializes in parts and rebuilding. Where do you plan to get your cams made? We us SAACO CAMEX out of chicago
Glad you appreciate these machines! I am working on several episodes, covering everything. For the cams, We have a CNC plasma cutter, so it’s done in house. Following the charts and cam design booklet Ive been able to get the ball park, but Lots of trial and error... so its a good thing we can design and make them on the fly. I’ll have a video covering the cam making as well.
You will have to shorten your belt from the motor to the driving shaft a few times i wouldn't sweat it til it sarts falling off. I have not worked with any machines that are belt driven at the transmission like yours. All of our G style machines are chain driven. Cant wait to get my own machine.
In the next video, I make a heavy duty belt tensioner. (Couldn’t get myself to shorten the belt again). I don’t know the exact date on these models, but they are later than most i have seen running. Sometime from the 1940’s i believe.
If you can find one for a good price I would definitely get one. The restoration process has been a lot of fun so far. I imagine a wave of machinist hobbyists rebuilding these old machines.
I'm from where tomoses were made, ex yugoslavia, I see You are fixing only Automatic mopeds. I have something that Tomos made and it is a little bit rare, contact me if you want to know more about it :)
Yes, it’s an old Southbend. From the 20’s I was told. It’s a wonderful small lathe, but I need to rebuild or replace the motor... it needs a pull start to get going and weak in general.
@@MopedProblemsthey are beautiful machines! it sounds like it may just need a new starter cap. But even better, find a free treadmill in any condition so long as the motor works, salvage the motor out and the motor controller (all of them are practically the same model and lotsa support online) and you got yourself a free 1-3hp motor with true variable speed control! I did this with my little atlas and it was totally worth the little bit of effort.
For real, i had an old treadmill already taken apart and ready to go for conversion... but during the move from NY to FL it was lost or thrown out! Ill have to keep an eye out for another one.
Glad to see that you are still “employing” the Brownies. And a belt driven to boot(brave man). I’ve been a Screw Machinist for 30+ and am in charge of setup and maintenance of 20 of them. They are amazing and frustrating machines. Hope you are still using them.
I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still dont feel comfortable cutting cams for them. I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
I haven't seen any mention of Somma Tools. That's where we got virtually all of our Browne and Sharpe tooling. They can even hook you up to have Cams made so you can optimize your production. You send them a part with associated drawings and they send you a cycle time, a list of required tooling and quotes for the whole kit and cabootle... at least they did in 2003, when I left that job. good luck and keep the videos coming... he said after he realized the video he was responding to was 17 months old.
Great video and great attitude!! Thanks for sharing. I love your concept man.
Dude that old engine lathe and milling machine is pretty cool. old but still works I guess
Nice to see someone still using them, I worked and rebuilt them for 50 yrs. keep them running
I’ll do my best. That 2G is a piece of work (worked into the ground)
@@MopedProblems Back in the day the saying was, "we always seem to have time to do it twice, But never have time to do it right" that why it is bad shape and never got fixed
I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still dont feel comfortable cutting cams for them, did you ever figure out how to set them up? I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
I WATCHED WHOLE VIDEO 👍👍👍👍👍👍YOU DID PERFECT JOB 😱😱😱😱I AM IN MANUFACTURING BUSINESS ALL MY LIFE FOR ALMOST 50 😱😱😱😱WHAT EVER YOU DID THE THIS IS DROP IN THE BUCKET 😥😒😰😰HEART OF THIS MACHINE IS SPINDLE and CROESS SIDE and CLUTCH
First quick tip: As you disassemble, keep a 5 gallon bucket half filled with old machining oil handy. And some containes, wire baskets, etc. As you take things off the machine, in the oil they go, overnight, or over months. This will loosen all that greasy gunk you kave all over your hands. Then cleaning is easier. Avoid putting greasy gunk back in your machines, it only attracts more greasy gunk, dirt, rust, etc.
I started out in 1977 learning to setup 2G and 0G world war 2 production brownies in a gear factory in Massachusetts. I bought an idle 0G for 500.00 back then. I knew a guy with a screw machine shop and told him about it. He came to the gear shop, checked it out, handed me 1000.00 and he moved it out of there. Big quick money in those days! Next shop about 1979 worked 00 and 00Gs some with turner overhead belt drives. One was from 1916. The owner of the shop bought it and replaced the spindle bearings and that thing would run nonstop with no issues! Amazing machinery from “ back in the day”!!
I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still don't feel comfortable cutting cams for them, did you ever figure out how to set them up? I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
Refreshing to see this video. I used to run multi spindle lathe’s before I became a toolmaker. Acme gridleys
I used to run various different screw machines back in the day. Glad to see they have not all been replaced with the modern ways.
Do you or anyone you know provide training for these machines? I have one and I read through the manual but I still think I'll need some training on them.
Hey Moped problems! I ran B&S screw machines for most of my 40 plus years machining. Plenty of time on those old belt drives (G series machines). If you have questions, maybe I have answers. Just shout!
Thanks bud. Ill let you know
I ran some Brown & Sharp screw machines back in the 1970's.
The cutting tool cut multiple diameters at the same time & had to be sharped occasionally on a surface grinder - using a small steel ruler/scale to visually line up the cutting surface with the top of the center mounting hole of cutter.
Some had turrets.
They had automatic feed that would load a new bar & occasionally the pushed had to be hammerd to grip the part better.
Sometimes it would be hard to get all the diameters on part to be within tolerance.
I was young & decided to find another occupation.
The shop had Acme Gridley's, Brown & Sharpes, Davenports & the adjoining company had New Britain's.
Did you know that Mr. Gridley started the New Britain Company.
He retired in his fifties & got bored, so he started New Britain, so i have read.
i really want to buy one of these! someday soon hopefully!
Thanks for the vid! I've been learning the Brownie 00. The lone survivor at work surrounded by CNCs. Took awhile to get all the books and manuals together but they are extremely helpful! Can't wait to hear the rumble of it pumping out parts every 22 secs.
I hope your using the CNC machines to make the cams for the B&S
@@MopedProblems We have Lester Detterbeck make the cam, pretty reasonable at $300 or so. No one else knows how to run it.
As A Brownie lifer, I can tell you B&S had an excellent library concerning their machines from the G series to the Ultramatics, cam and tool design, set up and maitenance. I luched out growing up a few miles from their Providence, RI location, then years later took some classes at the newer North Kingston facility. Outstanding machines, tough, reliable. It took years to collect all the books and as a guy who likes to read anyway, they made all the difference.
Good job hope to see the more brown sharpe restoration videos
Nice :) I still run these at work. We sold one of them a few years back, but we still have two of the 00s and three of the #2s. 8-hole turrets, 2 cross slides & 2 vertical slides.
Nice video, good communication skills. And you are so correct there are very little TH-cam videos out there on how to operate and run a brown & Sharpe screw machine.
Thanks man. Working on the next one. Hope to have a nice series of the restoration and operation.
Since you're using a flat belt, I recommend taking the pin out and flipping one side of the end 180 degree's, and re-inserting the belts pin. This will form a mobius strip, allowing the belt to run on both faces and doubling the contact area of the belt, in effect doubling the life of the belt. I was taught this trick by an OLD machinist that worked on farms back in the early 20th century and in machineshops that were old when he was starting out his career as a machinist that were still using overhead lineshafts on all their machines.
Ill give this a try! Wondering if the flip should be on the pulled side or the slack side…
@@MopedProblems I went ahead and bought one of these machines about a year ago, read through the manual on how to set them up. I still dont feel comfortable cutting cams for them, did you ever figure out how to set them up? I'd be elated if you could refer me to someone who could provide training or something! Thanks!
more screw machine content please!
A friend of mine bought an automatic screw machine for his model engine replica business back in 1999. He had the same problem, setting up the cogs for your operation is pretty complicated.
Truth!
A piece of advice, change the gibs and if you have to re-sleeve do so with 6/60 Bronze. I used to set-up and repair 00, 0G, 2, and 2G some wer belt driven and others were not.
Work for a company in Nevada for 24 years had 12 brown/sharp machines had a old boy that was my machine operated he new those machines inside and out very hard to find people that can repair and do the set up
That looks like it was expensive,
back in the day!
I haven’t looked into their original value... but they are 3,500 and 4,000 lbs.... so two tons of money 💰
Many of these were built around the time of WWII. People who had factory space could put B&S machines in their buildings at government expense, then gradually learn how to put them to work making things for the war effort. When the war ended, the US sold them to these shops for $1.00 a piece.
Brownies were here before us and they'll be here after us.
here is a video sugestion can you show how to fix every common moped problem for people who are starting out on mopeds. Thanks!
Not a bad idea. To have all the good easy info in one video.
Bro. I AM SO HAPPY that you are making these videos. Ive been learning brown and sharpes for the last year. I run 00g, 0g, 2g, #2 & #3 ultramatics. There is a comapny from dayton ohio called Dial machine that specializes in parts and rebuilding. Where do you plan to get your cams made? We us SAACO CAMEX out of chicago
Glad you appreciate these machines! I am working on several episodes, covering everything. For the cams, We have a CNC plasma cutter, so it’s done in house. Following the charts and cam design booklet Ive been able to get the ball park, but Lots of trial and error... so its a good thing we can design and make them on the fly. I’ll have a video covering the cam making as well.
Lovely
Kyle i never got your pictures! Send them to my email: mopedproblems@gmail.com
You will have to shorten your belt from the motor to the driving shaft a few times i wouldn't sweat it til it sarts falling off.
I have not worked with any machines that are belt driven at the transmission like yours. All of our G style machines are chain driven. Cant wait to get my own machine.
In the next video, I make a heavy duty belt tensioner. (Couldn’t get myself to shorten the belt again). I don’t know the exact date on these models, but they are later than most i have seen running. Sometime from the 1940’s i believe.
If you can find one for a good price I would definitely get one. The restoration process has been a lot of fun so far. I imagine a wave of machinist hobbyists rebuilding these old machines.
What’s the moped shop you used to be out in Brooklyn?!! Do they buy damaged mopeds?!! Got a FA50 front end is done for wanna sell it!!!!! 😟
Second Stroke used to be in NYC, now we are exclusively in Florida. (Tampa bay area)
@@MopedProblems Thanks for the response 👍🏼
You guys doing alright? Been a little bit sense a video
Spring is here! Orders are up and up. I’ll find time to update soon!
@@MopedProblems Take your time for sure. Just wanted to check things were good.
👍 thanks man. We’re doing good!
I'm from where tomoses were made, ex yugoslavia, I see You are fixing only Automatic mopeds. I have something that Tomos made and it is a little bit rare, contact me if you want to know more about it :)
That an atlas manual lathe you got there?
Nevermind that bed ain't a flat ways bed! Southbend maybe?
Yes, it’s an old Southbend. From the 20’s I was told. It’s a wonderful small lathe, but I need to rebuild or replace the motor... it needs a pull start to get going and weak in general.
@@MopedProblemsthey are beautiful machines!
it sounds like it may just need a new starter cap. But even better, find a free treadmill in any condition so long as the motor works, salvage the motor out and the motor controller (all of them are practically the same model and lotsa support online) and you got yourself a free 1-3hp motor with true variable speed control!
I did this with my little atlas and it was totally worth the little bit of effort.
Hell, I'm sure you're well aware, you make electric moped for shit sake lmao
For real, i had an old treadmill already taken apart and ready to go for conversion... but during the move from NY to FL it was lost or thrown out! Ill have to keep an eye out for another one.
I just got a b&s nos. 0 There is barely an acknowledgement of them on the internet.
What model are yours? I’ve got a manual for several iterations
It’s true. As I am sure you are finding, a hobbyist’s dream project. I have two models. 2G and 0G
Why do you need These machines? Enquiring minds would like to know.
Ive been making our sprocket hub on my little south-bend. It takes forever. Once these are dialed in it should only take a minute.
I want to make another Fast PUCH moped; I bought the same carburetor that I had from the 80’s a Dellorto UA19s with an adjustable main jet
YOU DID NOT RESTORED 😰😥😥😥😥😒😒😒BROWN & SHART IS THE FIRST AUTOMATIC MACHINE IN THE WHOLE WORLD
#NotAMoped... jk. Bearings... shims... keyways. Moped adjacent content.
Its moped technology that doesn’t go anywhere!
Hope you don’t need parts!
I definitely do. Have been doing a lot of ebay lately.
I used to work in a shop as a teenager, operating on old ass ones, and yeah, not a lot out there about them... That job sucked btw
Its a hard life. Looking to sell my machines if anyone is interested