Bobcat Vs New Holland skid steer loader Comparison
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- Bobcat VS New Holland-SIDE by SIDE- NOT a Paid endorsement. Just The TRUTH from someone that owns BOTH. I Cover the Good and Bad of EACH Machine. Then YOU can CHOOSE which One is RIGHT for YOUR Company.
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I was one of many who proudly built New Holland skid steers in Belleville, PA. We always were told that Bobcats were the pinnacle and we were always striving to close the gap. Now after seeing this video I see why we didn't. We built a fantastic machine but it wasn't designed with a whole lot of common sense apparently.
I have owned an LS 189 for almost 10 years now. No problems other than hose failure and the injection pump seal. My Bobcats are old, 1996 and 1998 but agree they are great machines! have been wanting to restore my old Bobcat 843 which has been sitting for 10 years now.
Hi Stanley.... I am the guy who bought your l180 you are showing in this video... I guess I should have gotten your autograph.. I did not know you were famous.
Tbh i did not know that NH are problematic, got a ancient LX865 still runs great. Just everyday care and on time service intervals. Bobcat is basically the “first in skid steering”, so they have more experience in user friendly and service friendly configs. Great vid 👍
Thanks Pete!
Never used a new holland but have owned a bobcat for 10+ years now and it has never broken down on me. So easy to perform maintenance by yourself too.
The new new holland skidsteers have rear access for battery hydraulic, oil on side rear, and fuel at rear. You are showing older models.
I have both and my new holland ls185.b Has been flawless with 7,200 hours. definitely way better than my bobcat. 773 was updated to a 600 hour s250 and the 250 has had more issues in the past year than my newholland since new!
+dilbert biggen Yeah- any machine-irregardless of name-can have issues. Sorry your having bad luck- that sucks.
What about cat ? Are they any good ?
heard yes I think Old new Holland beat anything dairy farm I work on them 13,000 hrs on oldest ls170 10,000 plus on newer LS 170 and LS 180
also have bobcat 773 more problems in 3,000 hrs if anything it has more power than NH but won't take half the abuse new Holland will
neighbor runs CAT he likes them new skidloaders take a CAT over both NH and Bobcat NH for the older kind and no they go out in the joints other wise they run almost forevee
the s185 fuel filter you pointed at was actually oil filter
We had a 08' New Holland L175 (bought it new) and it was a p.o.s. almost every month or two the drive pump kept going out. So after a year we traded it in on a Geihl 5640 and that rig was fantastic.
Nice- Love hearing the Gehl kicked butt!
GEIHL VERY GOOD MACHINES
Hi Stanley I realize that this is an older video but do you think you do a video on the problems with Tier 4 interim and Tier 4 Final equipment well if you run anything with these terrible systems? I'm from a climate similar to yours (from Southern Manitoba).
Great video from a business owner who owns both machines. Really enjoy watching these kind of videos and wish more people would do reviews like this so we can all write about are experiences and maybe learn something. Buying a skidsteer is a huge investment and it worried me that I might screw up and buy the wrong machine. Bought one a couple weeks ago for the up coming season and I literally sat and tested every new machine brand in my area, while I had time this winter. Wacker, Gehl, Terex, Tachuchi, Bobcat, Kubota, John deere, And Cat. Its was very hard to make a decision. such a huge selection with different emissions and specs. All I want is a reliable machine. Nothing fancy. I will say the Wacker SW17 series surprised me the most. Its a really nice machine with a great 4 year warranty. John Deere G series were nice too.
Lol never had a problems with are new Holland. And there easy to work on.
the grammar police need to arrest you
My 99 985 New Holland runs rings around a puccycat
my 1994 L785 no issues 6000 hrs. Awesome machine.
Just wanted to say I love seen real comparisons from people that actually use skid steers. I actually sell New Holland skid steers and I know exactly what you mean about the 100 series being a royal pain to work on. Good thing is, the engineers actually listened to customers and now they are much easier to service on the 200 series. All the service points are simple to get to without having to be a contortionist and they kept the power and stability. And with the redesign, they have amazing visibility and a bigger cab. I think this video is a very good point and accurate when comparing old skid steers but the biggest complaints against the New Holland have been fixed on the new series.
+Chet Ophus (Rock City Customs) Nice- Thanks for sharing that. Good to hear they fixed those old problems. Appreciate it!
That funny...my research shows that the L200 New hollands consistently were a "stay away from" model. Guys who ran older ones got new 200's and said "a little easier to work on, but now they need to work on them all the time".
I love case skid steers to me they are the best had 90xt no problems
I too run bobcat and i love my s185 im hoping to get a t190 soon
I had and LX885 NH same side panel setup
The 300, 300D, and 300E series John Deere skidsteers are amazing. Made by Deere, fast smooth powerful engine, hydraulics and tractive force. Some of the best lift capacities in the industry. Nice and big cab on the D and E series. I like them more then Bobcat.
JOHN DEER ARE GREAT MACHINES BASED OFF OF THE NEW HOLLAND PATENT
I can get at the battery and fuel filter on my LS 170
Cool video! Where are you guys located? Can you do a run through of your equipment and your business?
another thing that should be added to this comparison is bucket visibility. the new holland the bucket is much more exposed and you can see everything. the bobcat has a cross arm that can at times make it extremely difficult to see when doing more delicate work. that being
+Dan Vize Thats a good point.
What is a good size snow pusher for a s185. All gravel yard with long pushes and anywhere from 1 inch of snow to 3 feet lol
I've got a New Holland LX665 & it hasn't broken down in nearly 30 years of hard work. So the configuration has never been a problem lol. But hate to state the obvious but my fuel pump is accessible through the back door, and if the battery ever went flat, you can very easily put one foot on the door locking lug & the other foot on the reinforcing step inside the back of the door & its like a step so its easy to reach the battery with jumper leads, start the engine & lock the boom up. Its so powerful it can lift the comparative bob cat up on its tail & lift all 4 wheels off the ground rendering it helpless. But that's just for fun & should never be tried at home hahahaha. One problem that may help others is, sometimes they can lose fuel pressure through minor line leaks etc so i added a standard boat fuel squeeze primer in the fuel line & a couple of squeezes eliminates any start problems if your sender or lines ever leak, or if you run out of fuel, its super easy to give a couple of squeezes & she is instantly primed in a couple of seconds.
You would love the NH c245 Stan, You should go check it out. It's a beast
I have run the 2013 New Holland C232 skid loader and they are under powered . The accessibility of the machine was greatly upgraded from the previous models. The boom set up to me is more aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Besides machine being underpowered I liked it. The excavating company I work for just got a John Deere 333e and I'd like it much better than the New Holland c232. The John Deere 333e has more hydraulic power but also and it has 20 more horsepower. When going into a pile of stone the John Deere seemed to not bogged down near as much as the New Holland. The New Holland if you went into a hard Stone pile the machine would request more power than it had so therefore sometimes if you didn't relax real quick it would die.
20 more H.P. is a huge advantage on any skidsteer and that’s were your power issues lie. I always thought that if your using a smaller H.P machine than your business calls for than you are only abusing your equipment and need to upgrade to the proper H.P. needed.
Always do your homework when purchasing a new machine because there is so much of it available these days.
I think bobcat are good machines and there are things I like about them, but I'd still take a new Holland. 2011 we bought a 2007 L190 and I beat the crap out of on our dairy farm. bought it with 1600 hours and traded in with 3000 hours and only put a fuel pump in it. the early model of the new New Holland L200 serious have been rather problematic but they've managed to get most of the bugs out of them. we traded our L190 in for a brand new L230 which was a great machine doing work with, loved the forward speed but they had the hydraulic pumps slowed down on the early ones (which kinda pissed me off) and had the foot controls in the cab put in a bad angle. our 2012 L230 has had a lot of issues but ours is one of the worst our dealership has seen out of their 5 stores. we just bought a new 2015 Holland C232 track loader with 650 hours on it and I love it! they resigned a couple things and I'd probably take a newer new Holland over a newer bobcat, also cause the fact that bobcat has a rather weak front attachment area and its much loader in a bobcat and one koe plus is from what I hear the new Holland track machine has better traction that a bobcat track machine. but that's just my 2 cents
A paver once told me that a CASE machine was his choice. More working hours for the maintenance he had to perform. Have you any opinion on them?
Thanks much for a very informative line of videos!
Case & new Holland come are Brothers
I have a '96 NH LX 485, had it since '97, I went through like 4 flex plates before my HD Mechanic friend told to put 2 more engine mounts in, haven't had any more issues. I have rented Bobcat skidsteers and I find them to be slower in responsiveness, I also had a Bobcat 323 mini excavator and it was one problem after another with the final straw being it cracked where the tracks expand.
I don't think I would buy another NH though as their customer service when I was having the flex plate issues was non-existent "out of warranty" so they didn't give a F
did you add 2 engine mounts, or just replace the factory ones?
@@jimsparks981 Added 2 more
All the issues that you described have been fixed with the newer model New Hollands :)
i have an lx865 new holland been great. need a new one . was thinking about kubota? have you had one?
Mason Leighton dude Kubotas are great machines! But before you buy try to demo as many brands as you can. Simple things like button placement can sometimes make the difference.
I agree.
I own New Hollands & John Deere’s which are basically the same machines or at least the later model’s (through the 90’s & up until the early 2000’s) & the Hydrolic’s & speed are better than my Bobcat’s & for their size the power is a bit superior to Bobcat’s as well.
But the Bobcats I own are definitely much easier to work on than the New Holland’s are.
But I will say that all of the machines that I have owned over the many years I’ve been in business have never had any major issues, mainly due to proper maintenance, basic up-keep but more importantly by never beating on the equipment & doing the repairs needed right away including worn tires.
The one downfall with every skidsteer machine is having your own knowledgeable mechanic & not having to rely on the mechanics at the dealers because if you have them do anything no matter how small or how big they will always give you one thing that’s consistent & that’s a very large repair bill!
Why don't you use Caterpillar equipment. Such as there skids steers or backhoes ?
I have-I just don't buy Cat equipment- I started out with other brands and stuck with them-I just never started with Cat. They are excellent quality for sure.
Bull tacos,,,,,,,,,I have had more issues with bobcat than than any other brand hands down.
They are a poor investment. Yes they were the industry leader 20 years ago but now stay away unless you are a professional mechanic.
I have a new holland lx465 that I love but I know plenty of people who have good success with their bobcat equipment.
jake s your right do as I do and I have a ls180 just park it with the boom up and lock pins out and no problem. as far as problematic compared to bobcat, I disagree my current new Holland has 9200 hours with absolutely no major mechanical issues of any kind. plus my new Holland literally outlifts and out works comparable bobcats all day long
Thats awesome. Glad your having good luck with your machine!
so true are bobcat at work is a 2007 has 4000 hours and runs great last service was in 2013 no problems since very durable
+sinisterscopez1 The 400 hour range is when I start watching them to sell. They can begin to nickel and dime you to death.
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I don't know if you have them or not but with my company we do and a comparison video would be good for some people. Track vs wheel skid steers both have benefits and con's depending on what attachments you need or use.
Stuart Smith Excellent Suggestion! I have 2 tracked and 2 wheeled loaders. I am putting that on my short list of videos to get done!
Yea we have 10, 6 tracked and 4 wheeled and iv had a few guys just starting out that have asked me why I have a mix of both and why I have certain attachments
Of course the Bobcat works well, it is a Korean owned machine with a Japanese engine. With an all American badge, apparently.
Park New Holland with boom up and lock pins out. New 200 series is a pain to work on with boom down because the cab cannot be flipped until boom is raised. 100 series is much easier to work on.
Great info- I didn't know that!
I can’t speak for the new model machines but the older LS new Holland’s were great machines. I always liked the overall feel of the new Holland over the bobcat and I felt visibility to front attachment is better as well. As far as servicing goes it does look like bobcat did their homework although I’ve never found New Holland’s to be difficult to work on. At least for farm use I’d take the Super Boom over anything out there.
тоесть у нью холланда два минуса, это батарее к которой он своими кривыми руками не может долезть и фильтр топливный, так поставь новый аккумулятор и забудь, фильтр перенеси в конце концов... а то что он проще в разы по конструкции чем бобкет, стрела у него вылет больше для погрузки самосвала, а чем проще конструкция тем надежней... у бобкета же все напихано, двигатель боком стоит ремнем насосы крутятся это минус. проходимость хуже у бобкета. какой-то собственно предвзятый отзыв, может ему выгоднее бобкеты продавать.
also i have broken the lower scissor arm on both sides of my new holland. broke on the inside where it hooks to the tractor
+Dan Vize Same thing happened to me.
Dan Vize, just a question but i heard this happens when the operator leaves the boom when turning and “whips” the machine to a stop, or is this false
Was that your S300 at 2:24? I have one and it's great.
It is there's today it's decals are removed
Eu me chamo antonio Carlos e ja operei minicarregadeiras da volvo,case, new holand, mas prefiro a bob cat, essa máquina foi feita pra mim...
You are right the New Holland was the bad boy of the bunch they definitely were difficult and that four-cylinder Perkins don't seem to stand up maintenance wise against the Kubota
Rusty Stuff You have no idea what your talking about. There is no Perkins in any new Holland
RJ 1999 maybe not now back in the 80s that's what they put in them New Holland tractor I run everyday has a reverse manufactured Perkins
Rusty Stuff I don't know of any Ford/New Holland tractor that had a Perkins diesel. The old skid steers had Kubota engines, one model bigger skid may have had a Perkins back in the 70's but it got switched to a Ford/New Holland 3 and 4 cylinder tractor engine
Yeah that old New Holland skid steer might have been from the seventies it was back in the 80s when we had it and it had a 4-cylinder Perkins and I said the Ford tractor had a reverse manufactured Perkins which is a copy but totally reversed and firing order changed opposite so it wouldn't have copyright problems
The new skit steers are more friendly to work on L218 L225
I will have to check them out.
have you looked at a Kubota skid steer? I live around Bismarck ND and that's were the bobcat"sand box" is located it's a fancy way of saying the design headquarters. But I have an uncle that works there and supposedly they rented a Kubota to take measurements on the loader because the Kubota will out life a bobcat when the Kubota is idled down all the way. you can believe me or not but I love watching your videos and I truly love the points you give people. I just wanted to give you a suggestion. thanks fur everything
Lane Tokach
Thanks Lane- I need to look into those kubota's
My other uncle works at BNI coal and he buys all the equipment for the company and he didn't want to buy another piece of cat equipment because it was getting to the point where that's all they ran and we suggested the Kubota and they bought two of them and he said the guys haven't complained about them so that usually means they are good. I'm a farm boy and I love the channel I truly think it helps people out and I figured I'd give you the suggestion because they look really easy to work on and they are built big. I just wanted to give you the suggestion and some info thanks fur the replies means alot. Happy new year
I have owned 4 new holland skidsteers , no problems.
I agree with the battery and filters are a bear,but I feel new Holland is easier to work on in the important areas
13,000 plus on LS 170
I'd say the better machine is the one with the better dealership and service.
At the bluestone quarry I cart out if they have an old new holland with over 20,000 hours
All they’ve done to her is replace the fuel tank, hydraulic hoses and I think he said the radiator. Services her regularly that’s it! I had a cat 226b with issues from day 1, a cat 248b that had a head gasket go at 3,700 hours, drive motor and pump go at just under 6,000 hours, I had a cat 226b3 that had a rusted fuel tank and had major dramas from day 1! Never buy a cat skid steer unless you get the d series
Is that where you keep all of your equipent at that complex?
Yes- that season it was kept there
yes New Holland is harder to work on but Bobcat is nothing compared to new Holland over time
Thought I would add my input sinceI am a mechanic and I work on this equipment daily for a large nursery and landscape company...
We have lots of New Hollands... L785, Lx865, L180, LS180, LS190, LS180.b, LS190.b , L230, C238.
We Have on Bobcat T650.
This week I have had half of the New Hollands in the shop for one reason or another.
The L785 right foot boom tilt control does not work - probably a leaking hydraulic cylinder.
The L180 I had break down in a field, no hydraulics. I spent all day taking the drive chains off only to have the last spindle stuck on the machine and to end up calling a tow truck. I have it in the shop now with the entire rear cover off, cab forward, and am taking the front pumps off...The main gear/flywheel sheared and wont spin at all. This particular machine has had a new motor, both new pumps, all new linkage, many new servos, and one side drive motor put in in the last 4 years.
The C238 has been to the New Holland dealer 4 times and has left the landscape crew without a machine dozens of times because of the emissions systems. The machine will randomly go into limp mode with no warning but will pass a regen test no problems and wont set a code for 3 to 5 hours. The guys have been instructed to let the machine idle and not shut it off and start it back up frequently.
The other machines are ok. The Bobcat has had zero issues, aside from a leaking track drive hub however is much lower hours compared to some of our New Hollands with 6500 hours on them. The Bobcat is at 1300 hours, the c238 has 1130 hours.
The Bobcat is easier to service in my opinion and when something does break, it is only two large bolts that need to be removed to cab forward the machine. The New Hollands all require all the side panels to be removed, 6 bolts holding down the cab, depending on the machine some harnesses/hoses/or air filters have to be removed, and the parking brake springs. then you can get a huge come-along and cab forward the machine. To remove the pumps the bottom service panel also needs to come off.
Also - to work on a New Holland that does not start - disconnect the hydraulic boom lift lines and use another skid loaded to raise the boom and then push out the lock pins on the broken down machine.
Our CATS, John Deeres, Kubotas, and other machines never give me as many problems as frequently as these New Holland skid loaders. I am very unimpressed and would stay clear of any machine built from 1995 to current - definitely have emissions problems.
Thanks for sharing Conor and thank you for watching!
How did that work out? Hearing Bobcats leak like crazy.
model 2018 bobcat
It’s a lot easier to work on then you think
Is that all your equipment? What do you use the skid steers for?
We plow with the Skid Steers- and other equipment as well. :) We clean up about 2 million square feet per event.
wowwwww!
You should do a video on all your equipment and trucks!
GUNS & KNIVES Great idea- Thanks -I may just do that!
Have you tried John Deere Skid loaders?
wagil90 Yes- I have had lots of John Deere skid loaders back in the day. They were exactly the same as New Holland but since they have changed. I haven't owned any recently- I broke both my elbows bouncing around in John deere's. They had metal plates for arm rests-dipshit design.
Last Bob cat we had was garbage. Literally problem after problem all the way up to 3000 hours. Switched to new holland and about 3000 hours later the only problem is the front right bogey wheel bearing is bad. Other then that it's been a great machine with tons of power. Not to mention. Never had an issue with freezing filters and its we've used it in -40 degrees.
it depends on the fuel quality, noting to do with the filters. put crappy fuel in and plug up filters. put clean fuel in and never need to swap filters.
Alot of issues with newer Bobcat.
We have both New Holland and Bobcat on our farm. The Bobcat is WAY easier to service. We call the New Holland Penn State engineering at its finest. Because New Holland hires Penn State graduates.
hahaha- Love it- thats kind of how I feel about them.
have you ran gehl before?
+Hank Rotering Nope
Have you ever run Case?
+mnmike2012 Yes- I own a case Dozer and have owned a case payloader.
Cases suck
Is case a pain in the ass too? I know you tried out a couple of case machines and case and nh are sister co's.
And do you own that complex?
No I don't own it.
BOBCAT. !!!!!! Best skidsteer ever built !!!!!
bobcat engine is a kubota but have you tried kubata
I have- I like them as well.
Best snow tire?
+Yard Boy Anything that isn't bald haha. I haven't really paid much attention to snow tires but I should look into it.
+Yard Boy Get 4 rims and mount some 10 ply winterforces on them. way cheaper than the semi truck tires! I have a set and love them!
+dilbert biggen , What size winterforces are u putting on them ? stock rims?
+buffalostate1 265/75r16 . The snow wolfs are only d range or 8 ply. I just looked what I paid for them and it was 778 out the door!
+buffalostate1 Forgot to answer your rim question. No not stock rims 8 bolt implement rim!
He is right about the New Holland but I would take it all day long over the Bpbcat. The New Holland will run over the Bobcat.
bobcat outdated. never want foot controls ever again. unless they updated to sticks. cat skidsteers all day. and avs for track machines. ( now bought by terex.) but the new small terex machines wont ride on top of a snow pile like the old avs rc 30. those things will go right up a snow mound
Paul Mcguire guess you better learn how to operate a machine
Paul Mcguire . I have a bobcat t650 that is 3 year's old and it has a iso hand controls and I love it way more then our old bobcat with foot control!
if i was hourly paid, i would buy a toyota. But i'm not so i wouldn't buy anything that isn't VLP. Bobcat isn't cheap enough to be any good at hourly paid and not quick enough to be production paid. I pay mechanics the same price whatever they work on so don't care that .001% of the time they have poor access to the engine bay.
New Holland is better hangder more better
Bobcat copied New Holland's loader arm design.
shitty engineering is always a huge factor. if you need a repair done it costs 3x more. Just like Mercedes not putting oil dip sticks in some of there cars. These people who design this crap also is designing the repair industry. This is the monopoly of the game!
Thanks for sharing.
Dont buy any of them buy a Jhon deer. Jhon deer for the win
DEER VERY GOOD IT IS NEW HOLLANDS COUSIN