Wtf??? Ok I've been holding back but I've had all I can stand and I can't stands no more. Wendy and Chris come across as awkward, boring, self-righteous snobs to me. Camilla, much the same. And Mike...Mike is the worst of them all. He comes across as a used car salesman who will say anything. I wanted to get back into this hobby and I used to love dice tower. Now it really feels like watching a parody of everything wrong with youtubers and "nerd culture".
I was defending Mike some days ago for being mocked for liking Tokaido and today he went and trashed my all time favorite game, GWT. You can go after him all that you want from now on : )
Petrichor is a game I discovered because of Mike. I've never been so happy to be introduced to a game I'd never heard of before. It's sitting happily at my #5 and I'm also salivating waiting on my collector's editon.
Interesting. I had never heard of this game until recently. My local library has it and mostly I just thought it was really out there. Great production values though.
@@darinherrick9224 If you like Area Control, multiuse cards, hand management, and bidding then this game is stellar. It’s one of those games that felt purpose designed just for me. It’s also got a staggeringly quick teach and play time. I’ve never had a 4 round game (you can play in 4 or 6) go longer than 45 minutes even with a teach regardless of player count. It’s just brilliant and beautiful.
@@michaeldilisio557 As much crap as Tom may give you, you’ve become my go to at the Dice Tower for recommendations. My buddy loves Vengeance now and I’m really looking forward to the Roll and Fight. Keep up the solid, out of left field picks!
@@BoardAllTheTime I appreciate it. I hope it’s clear that I don’t take any actual offense at the garbage over my picks from Tom or Zee. It’s all in good fun, and I give as good as I get.
Decided this year to track the games you all mention according to 1. Games I want to play (w) 2. Games I’ve played (p) 3. Games I own (o) Crossover in this stretch: Mike: (3) #28, 25, 22 (3o) Zee: (4) #30, 24, 23, 22 (3o, w) Tom: (5) #30, 28, 25-23 (2o, p, 2w) People: (5) #30, 28, 24-23, 21 (p, 3o, p) Totals (this stretch): Own = 10 Played = 3 Want to play = 3 Totals (overall, trying not to count repeats): Own = 22 Played = 36 Want to play = 17 Notes: 1. Want to play (w) can mean I want to play it for any particular reason. Own (o) and Played (p) can crossover obviously, but I don’t count a game in both categories, if I own it, it won’t be on the played list. 2. Set 30-21 holds the record with (10) games under my owned (o) category. Mike, Zee, & the People share this record with (3) games appearing in a set of ten. Mike has two sets (40-31; 30-21); Zee & the People (30-21). 3. Set 60-51 has the record with (10) games under my played (p) category; (4) other sets have (6) games each. The People hold the record with (4) games in a set of ten (60-51). 4. Sets 100-91, 90-81, 80-71 share the record with (4) games each under my want to play (w) category. Mike & Tom share the record with (2) games in a set of ten. Mike has three sets of ten (100-91, 90-81, 80-71); Tom has 1 set (30-21). 5. The highest crossover for: Games owned (o): (10) Mike, The People Games played (p): (15) The People Games I want to play (w): (6) Mike, Tom 6. The People & I have (30) total crossovers Tom & I have (26) total crossovers Mike & I have (22) total crossovers Zee & I have (16) total crossovers
As Mike mentioned, Garphill Games usage of similar iconography is very intuitive once you play a couple of their titles. Also I really like how the characters from one game crossover into other games in the same or different series. Definitely underrated synergy!!!
Is there a chance there is an additional microphone input that OBS is picking up? From one of the cameras, or maybe from the MacBook microphone? The sound is like someone’s hand is on a microphone…
Yeah, it feels like it is not the group, but someone behind the cameras causing the noise. And a few episodes ago someone was drumming with fingers on the table it seemed and it wasn't someone at the table.
A Dominion app would solve my main complaint with Dominion. The constant counting of "I have 3 actions and 5 buys... Now I have 3 actions and 4 buys..." maybe that is due to limited experience and mainly playing the base game but that slowed the game down a ton for me a got annoying.
i checked through a bit of the video. I am very positive that the issue was coming from Wendy. She has her mic on her left lapel, so when she turns her head toward Tom & Zee, she is breathing directly onto the mic. 50% of the time her head is not turned that way, so it didn't happen consistently, which was why you didn't realize it during the couple times you checked. I have done sound engineering as a side gig for years, and lapel mic placement is typically the #1 cause of issues with wireless mics (other than dead batteries...)
I thought at 23:25 it was Mike and his shirt rubbing. It's very distracting with headphones. I do agree though, it sounds more like breathing. At points i wondered if it's draft from moving the clipboards.
@@beazer32 agreed, that section, on Zee's #26 you can see it clearly. Whenever she's turned toward the camera, no sound issues. When she's facing the others, it happens again.
I read these comments before watching, and have been keeping an eye out. I'm 99% sure it is Wendy's mic. Mic on the left left side of shirt and her torso is angled toward the camera. The noise happens most when she's turned her head to the left, but sometimes happens when she's looking at Mike, too, as her torso is angled still. When her head is in a more neutral position relative to her torso, it never happens. Tbh, this issue doesn't personally bother me much because I'm usually only listening with laptop speakers, but I can see how it would be annoying people listening with headphones or a good audio system.
This should be no surprise to anyone who has viewed the channel regularly for at least a few months. How long have you watched the channel? And how often?
Well lack of love is stretching it. They just may. It think it top 100 worthy. I don’t think it is top 100 for me either, but considering how many games are out there some games just can’t make it in the top 100.
@@arthursimsa9005 I'm pretty certain it was consistently in his top 100 every year, ranked fairly high (though I'm not going to research how high in order to make my point) and it appeared in various top 10 lists that he did with the DT over the years. Yes, he is greatly missed. While he preferred Ameritrash, he had a vast knowledge and taste in that genre, much wider than say, Mike's (sorry Mike), and he actually recommended some pretty decent Euros too for novices or just for people like me who missed a lot of Euros through the cracks/glossed over some, etc. He was also the best at explaining games and unboxings. Sorely missed.
@@adamtorkelson8272 This is my first year watching their top one hundred. I watch a lot of Tom's board game reviews - I think he does an excellent job there.
As an audio engineer I'm a little confused why the person behind the camera can't just listen to the mic's one at a time, without turning them off. Without knowing exactly how you're set up, but from looking at the equipment I see, I suspect there are simple changes you could make to your rig, that would make it much easier to identify sound issues like the ones in this episode. If it wasn't for the face that I live in Sweden, I would have offered to come by and help you out, but as it is it might be easier for you to find someone closer 🙂
Do you guys know Richard Bartle's taxonomy of Player Types? Tool where he put players of MMOs like World of Warcraft into four different types (Explorers, Killers, Socialisers and Achievers). From the discussion here, I feel like Tom and Mike are different types, Tom being more of an "Explorer" type whereas Mike may be an "Achiever" type- not just because Tom likes exploration in games, but he's talked about co-op games being too hard and he just wants to experience all the content. So he'll play a game on "easy" in order to see that content, whereas for an achiever playing on easy would be cheating.
@@readilium3432 Yeah Richard has done lots of talks online for game conferences so you can find him pretty easy. He co-created the first MUD back in the late 70s (Multi-User Dungeon). Some other people have built off of his work to classify players into other groupings as well.
I almost never hard disagree with Tom but Masmorra is reeeally fun and I haven't had a bad game of it. I can't figure out why Tom is so harsh on it, frankly.
I think that the mic problem is a 5th mic that is being rubbed because I am looking at the panel and they aren’t doing anything to their mic that would make that noise, it’s something behind the camera
Good point - I also saw this mistake but you were the first to comment on it 👍😊. In the end summary list between 70 and 61 there was also some inaccuracies - I believe between place 69 and 79 in Mike's list.
Second list in a row that I've crossed over with Mike and The People! #30 - Cartographers #29 - Paleo #28 - Aeon's End: Legacy #27 - Spirit Island #26 - Space Base #25 - Brass: Birmingham #24 - Stuffed Fables #23 - Everdell #22 - Above and Below #21 - Horrified
Wendy, I found out about Five Tribes from Tabletop as well! As a matter of fact I found out about a lot of games from that show. But not as many as from The Dice Tower, and that’s a fact!
I guess we're just not meant for Rosenberg's games with an huge variety of resources and buildings, but Caverna's gigantic building option board was just too much.
Live Shows segment suggestion: Poll the audience. The war between Dominion and DC Deck builder made me think of it. Love all you guys since the first top 100. (I miss the high pitched tone intro sound)
Surprising to see Arkham LCG dropped for Zee…..I think this new Edge of the Earth campaign would really bump it back up! Easily one of the best. Hopefully he finds some time for it.
My top 30-21: 30 Sheriff of Nottingham 29 Star Wars: Rebellion 28 Super Mario: Level Up! Board Game 27 RoboRally 26 Ingenious 25 Dream Home 24 Sub Terra 23 Acquire 22 Mice and Mystics 21 The Republic of Rome Time's Up (Title Recall) is my #91 (Tom's #29). Deception: Murder in Hong Kong is my #80 (Mike's #27) King of Tokyo is my #54 (Zee's #30) Sub Terra is my #24 (crossover with Zee's #29) Orléans is my #64 (People's Choice #25) Any others mentioned may be higher on my list...
The best traditional combat deck-builder: Shards of Infinity. Also @RoyCanaday calling back to a few lists ago, Spectre Ops Broken Covenant fixed that misprint a while ago. Unless you just don’t like the red board, I’d suggest people just buy it instead since you get more stuff. Same with Dead of Winter - Long Night has much better components + modules, just different characters.
I bought Broken Covenant a few months ago. It did not have the fixes. If you buy the game, assume it needs the stickers (pub got them to me withing a week)
57:30 Tom screams for a Dominion app when there is one (and a PC version)! He must not know yet, but yeah, it took way too long to have a standard app version of this game. (The expansions on the app are pricey though!)
Don't see it in the recent comments, but the People's Choice List at the end is wrong: Where it has 27 - Arkham Horror LCG, it should be Gloomhaven: JOTL, and G: JOTL at 28 should be Space Base. I was entering everything in my spreadsheet for s&g so heads-up to anyone else using the end lists.
It's weird that there isn't an app version of Dominion. I had never played it before but they released a digital version recently on steam and I've played more of it than any other game last year I think, rofl. There are a lot of deck builders out there, but seeing the kingdom cards you got in a game and trying to figure out which strategy or cards you want to focus on is so satisfying
Aren't there more than three games in Haba's family line? Adventureland, Karuba you mentioned, but there is a few more like Honga and Mountains? Or are those in some other line?
Everdell I REALLY wanted to like... and I DID like the tight worker placement, but the card goals and other goals just seemed like search the deck for a certain card and the luckiest player doing that had a HUGE point advantage. Maybe some of the expansions would fix it but I didn't want to invest in them without knowing.
Thunderbirds is great...sometimes. Others you just get bad luck with hood rolls and the game crashes to a halt with nothing you can do about it, which is hugely unfortunate :/.
@@thedicetower when you did the check midstream, Wendy was facing straight ahead. the issue was being caused when she turned her head toward Tom & Zee, thereby directly breathing onto her microphone. The rule-of-thumb should be that lapel mics should always be placed on the side opposite where the wearer is facing. So in Wendy's case, since she was going to be turning her head to the left a lot, her mic should have been on her right side.
zee is not realizing that DRAFTING cards Plus the polyomino game makes for a really amazing game. Lots of tension too as people snatch up the color or shape of cat tile you NEED lol. This is by far the best polyomino game made, and it's a great drafting game as well.
Tom: "The two main complaints leveled against [Dominion]...'oh look! All these new things deckbuilding games can do!' and that's great - that doesn't make this one bad suddenly." Also Tom: Caverna is better than Agricola and Agricola therefore should no longer even be on the Top 100.
59:00 What Mike said about Dominion is absolutely the case for me. I've already played games with deck building and so I wasn't really impressed with Dominion when I played it. Hell, I was kind of unimpressed. Having to buy a card that is JUST points to put into your deck that does nothing until the end when you score is pretty boring. I don't generally like deck builders anyway, but Dominion didn't really do anything for me. I'd rather play Star Realms or Mystic Vale over Dominion.
"Troops on a map"? But "Mates on a map" was right there! All fruit are vegetables (edible part of a plant) and a fruit is the reproductive part of the fruit, but not all vegetables are fruit.
Tom played the Root app tutorial live and we watched so... I think we can handle Zee doing it. Only difference would be that Tom played Root irl prior to the app.
I actively avoid Dominion since my first play, it has so much text and as a first time player you have such a disadvantage compared to regular players. For a few years I thought deck building wasn't for me, just because of Dominion. After enjoying Century Spice Road, El Dorado and Great Western Trail I realize it was just Dominion that stresses me out.
That’s a fair criticism. It really is a much better experience if someone who is familiar with the game explains the gist of each card before the game starts, but new players wouldn’t always have an experienced player available to explain the rules. The other option is for your first few games, just playing with cards that have simple text. You could easily set it up with only cards that have the vanilla +1 Card, +1 Action, etc. bonuses. But yes, I can understand it being a frustrating experience if you get one of those cards like Pirate Ship with a wall of text and you’re stuck wondering what the cards even do.
I agree with Tom in 25... not about Dominion though XD... but about the fact that some "classic" games tend to become even better once the other "new reimaginings" past the hype... IMHO Dixit is better than Mysterium and Obscurio and it was the 1st one of that kind. I also like the 1st Azul to be honest, I feel even though more "basic" they also feel cleaner to a certain extent and I tend to enjoy their simplicity :) ... I am happy to see Five Tribes again (my #1) and I know it's going to be higher on Zee's list :P
Ok, the bashing of Hansa Teutonica has come up a few times now...why? It's a perfectly pleasant board with wonderful detail, why the hate? Just because it doesn't have super heroes and fully saturated colors? Also curious as to what was 'broken' in Lancashire? I've only ever played that version of Brass and have never felt there was a problem with it. Curious as to what was so wrong that has led Birmingham to be considered the better version by so many.
It’s just an opinion. I am sure there are games they like that you don’t like (maybe over saturated games with super heroes?) that they do. Games by and large are opinion based and if they don’t like it and it works for you great. There are plenty of games they don’t like that I do, and it doesn’t bother me because there are plenty options to go around.
I was introduced to deckbuilding through Dominion and everything Mike said applies to me :) . I have moved to DC purely because I am a HUGE fan of DC comics and have the big multiverse box.
Mezo is such a great game and the ability to change tactics on a given turn is awesome. Definitely worth picking up! 7th Continent may be the single most disappointing game I have ever played. The lengths I went to in order to get a copy, only to play it and not enjoy it. I really just did not internalize how much of a survival game this was when I saw it. definitely a case where a demo or watching the game be played would have saved me some money.
@@readilium3432 I watched part of a playthrough, but we did learn it mostly at the table. I would look for some player aids on BGG as rules as written are not great
the new anniversary edition of Carcassonne is amazing and I got a few promos and smaller expansions and added it to the box. not going full on big box with this but a little variety is cool. DEF don't need to own everything for this game [same way I feel about Dominion]
You need like someone wearing a complete black suit to sneak in and adjust microphones when there is a mic problem. Or you zoom in on someone's face or on Tom's hat and secretly adjust it. ^_^
The people's choice selections better reflect the games played by people who don't have a business account solely for purchasing games and who do not get free copies of games to review. The people's choice list should be called the realistic budget list.
Lol Birmingham didn't remove any mechanisms from Lancashire. If anything it removed one edge case, and added three in its place! It is more replayable in terms of variety though which is why it is more popular.
It removed the virtual connection link, variable loan amounts, and cut-off for taking loans. True there's some new mechanisms and edge cases added, I've always seen them understood easier than the virtual link connection.
@@thedicetower the new version of Lancashire doesn't have the virtual link either :p variable loan amounts are no big deal. But fair enough Wendy. You make good points.
#30.Road to the Whitehouse #29.Rail Baron- old Avalon Hill game ❤ #28.Command & Colors "Ancients" #27.Acquire- old Avalon Hill game 😁 #26.Shogun- old MB game 💯 better than "Axis & Allies" #25.Smash up #24.Bunny Kingdom #23.Roll Player #22.Splender this game will always have a place at my table. #21.Formula- D That's my 30-21 games
While I own ALL of it and not encouraging as a replacement, Zee you should try playing Arkham on TTS. Build a deck with ArkhamDB and it has mostly been scripted to make setup and tear down instant. For Solo play with two Character... fast and quick.
Awesome lists! Not sure if the mic problem has been solved but it really sounds like there’s a mic on off screen that someone is close to. One of the previous videos I could here someone tapping their fingers and no one on screen was tapping.
“Give me an app!” Want to make a ton of money within a year? Begin to train to be a developer. In response to Tom, you may not realize how short we are as a people on developers. We are in a severely short supply, so old games, like Dominion, don’t get the priority. We just don’t have the talent to do all the development that’s needed in all sorts of areas.
Don't be. I don't play very heavy games but the Steam version of Root has a fantastic tutorial. You learn the Cats first because they're the most straightforward and then go from there. If I can do it, you definitely can.
Dominion almost killed deckbuilding for me. It was the first deckbuilder I tried, and I kept trying it over and over because people raved about it and I figured I was just missing something, but I hated it. So then I tried Ascension and I also hated that. At that point, I figured maybe I just didn't like the mechanic. But I reluctantly gave Marvel Legendary a chance, and it turns out I do like deck building as long as it has more going on. I can't stand "pure" deck builders though. They're just bland and boring to me.
I love how Wendy is presenting the list. Great presentation and personality! Add her to the group more often, please!
I agree, Wendy is a lot of fun and she gets better and better everytime she's in front of that camera.
Yes, please! She’s great!
Wtf???
Ok I've been holding back but I've had all I can stand and I can't stands no more.
Wendy and Chris come across as awkward, boring, self-righteous snobs to me.
Camilla, much the same.
And Mike...Mike is the worst of them all. He comes across as a used car salesman who will say anything.
I wanted to get back into this hobby and I used to love dice tower. Now it really feels like watching a parody of everything wrong with youtubers and "nerd culture".
I was defending Mike some days ago for being mocked for liking Tokaido and today he went and trashed my all time favorite game, GWT. You can go after him all that you want from now on : )
Absolutely hilarious having a hat disappear each round, including the one on Tom's head at the end! Nice little touch of humor to those who noticed 😄
Hilarious?
Okay....
I'm literally the opposite of a detective and didn't even notice XD
Wendy is great, brings a lot of energy and interesting takes!
Wendy and Chris are definitely my two favorites of the new group.
I’d watch Zee learn to play Root on the app. I haven’t taken the learning plunge on this one either.
I have played the PC game version (I guess its very similar to the app) and its a nice solo play
Petrichor is a game I discovered because of Mike. I've never been so happy to be introduced to a game I'd never heard of before. It's sitting happily at my #5 and I'm also salivating waiting on my collector's editon.
Interesting. I had never heard of this game until recently. My local library has it and mostly I just thought it was really out there. Great production values though.
@@darinherrick9224 If you like Area Control, multiuse cards, hand management, and bidding then this game is stellar. It’s one of those games that felt purpose designed just for me. It’s also got a staggeringly quick teach and play time. I’ve never had a 4 round game (you can play in 4 or 6) go longer than 45 minutes even with a teach regardless of player count. It’s just brilliant and beautiful.
That’s fantastic to hear! I’m really glad it’s become one of your favorites too!
@@michaeldilisio557 As much crap as Tom may give you, you’ve become my go to at the Dice Tower for recommendations. My buddy loves Vengeance now and I’m really looking forward to the Roll and Fight. Keep up the solid, out of left field picks!
@@BoardAllTheTime I appreciate it. I hope it’s clear that I don’t take any actual offense at the garbage over my picks from Tom or Zee. It’s all in good fun, and I give as good as I get.
I’ve got the Mike DiLithio song in my head for days now. Thanks, I guess?
Decided this year to track the games you all mention according to
1. Games I want to play (w)
2. Games I’ve played (p)
3. Games I own (o)
Crossover in this stretch:
Mike: (3) #28, 25, 22 (3o)
Zee: (4) #30, 24, 23, 22 (3o, w)
Tom: (5) #30, 28, 25-23 (2o, p, 2w)
People: (5) #30, 28, 24-23, 21 (p, 3o, p)
Totals (this stretch):
Own = 10
Played = 3
Want to play = 3
Totals (overall, trying not to count repeats):
Own = 22
Played = 36
Want to play = 17
Notes:
1. Want to play (w) can mean I want to play it for any particular reason. Own (o) and Played (p) can crossover obviously, but I don’t count a game in both categories, if I own it, it won’t be on the played list.
2. Set 30-21 holds the record with (10) games under my owned (o) category. Mike, Zee, & the People share this record with (3) games appearing in a set of ten. Mike has two sets (40-31; 30-21); Zee & the People (30-21).
3. Set 60-51 has the record with (10) games under my played (p) category; (4) other sets have (6) games each. The People hold the record with (4) games in a set of ten (60-51).
4. Sets 100-91, 90-81, 80-71 share the record with (4) games each under my want to play (w) category. Mike & Tom share the record with (2) games in a set of ten. Mike has three sets of ten (100-91, 90-81, 80-71); Tom has 1 set (30-21).
5. The highest crossover for:
Games owned (o): (10) Mike, The People
Games played (p): (15) The People
Games I want to play (w): (6) Mike, Tom
6. The People & I have (30) total crossovers
Tom & I have (26) total crossovers
Mike & I have (22) total crossovers
Zee & I have (16) total crossovers
And yes, I agree. Radlands. It's Top 50 game minimum. It's way up there and it surprised me.
As Mike mentioned, Garphill Games usage of similar iconography is very intuitive once you play a couple of their titles. Also I really like how the characters from one game crossover into other games in the same or different series. Definitely underrated synergy!!!
I feel like I’m the only person in the world that doesn’t like Garphill games 😂
Is there a chance there is an additional microphone input that OBS is picking up? From one of the cameras, or maybe from the MacBook microphone? The sound is like someone’s hand is on a microphone…
Yeah, it feels like it is not the group, but someone behind the cameras causing the noise. And a few episodes ago someone was drumming with fingers on the table it seemed and it wasn't someone at the table.
I'm watching list for the first time. Counting the days... And you know what? We're almost there...
I haven't seen Cthulhu Death may die before, but that is an amazing cover.
Zee, great picks in Unmatched and Everdell! Love those games :)
A Dominion app would solve my main complaint with Dominion. The constant counting of "I have 3 actions and 5 buys... Now I have 3 actions and 4 buys..." maybe that is due to limited experience and mainly playing the base game but that slowed the game down a ton for me a got annoying.
Can we get get a the Dice Tower's top 10 blinged out games in the library??? Pretty please????
i checked through a bit of the video. I am very positive that the issue was coming from Wendy. She has her mic on her left lapel, so when she turns her head toward Tom & Zee, she is breathing directly onto the mic. 50% of the time her head is not turned that way, so it didn't happen consistently, which was why you didn't realize it during the couple times you checked. I have done sound engineering as a side gig for years, and lapel mic placement is typically the #1 cause of issues with wireless mics (other than dead batteries...)
I thought at 23:25 it was Mike and his shirt rubbing. It's very distracting with headphones.
I do agree though, it sounds more like breathing.
At points i wondered if it's draft from moving the clipboards.
I think you're right. Example 42:06 when Wendy laughs, air pretty clearly goes directly into her microphone.
@@beazer32 agreed, that section, on Zee's #26 you can see it clearly. Whenever she's turned toward the camera, no sound issues. When she's facing the others, it happens again.
I read these comments before watching, and have been keeping an eye out. I'm 99% sure it is Wendy's mic. Mic on the left left side of shirt and her torso is angled toward the camera. The noise happens most when she's turned her head to the left, but sometimes happens when she's looking at Mike, too, as her torso is angled still. When her head is in a more neutral position relative to her torso, it never happens. Tbh, this issue doesn't personally bother me much because I'm usually only listening with laptop speakers, but I can see how it would be annoying people listening with headphones or a good audio system.
52:45 inhale into big mic boom exhale
Really surprised by the lack of love for the game Brass: Birmingham among the three presenters other than Wendy. Well respected game and production.
This should be no surprise to anyone who has viewed the channel regularly for at least a few months. How long have you watched the channel? And how often?
Inis was one of Sam’s favorite games that he pushed a lot when he was there. I believe zee likes hive.
Well lack of love is stretching it. They just may. It think it top 100 worthy. I don’t think it is top 100 for me either, but considering how many games are out there some games just can’t make it in the top 100.
@@arthursimsa9005 I'm pretty certain it was consistently in his top 100 every year, ranked fairly high (though I'm not going to research how high in order to make my point) and it appeared in various top 10 lists that he did with the DT over the years. Yes, he is greatly missed. While he preferred Ameritrash, he had a vast knowledge and taste in that genre, much wider than say, Mike's (sorry Mike), and he actually recommended some pretty decent Euros too for novices or just for people like me who missed a lot of Euros through the cracks/glossed over some, etc. He was also the best at explaining games and unboxings. Sorely missed.
@@adamtorkelson8272 This is my first year watching their top one hundred. I watch a lot of Tom's board game reviews - I think he does an excellent job there.
As an audio engineer I'm a little confused why the person behind the camera can't just listen to the mic's one at a time, without turning them off. Without knowing exactly how you're set up, but from looking at the equipment I see, I suspect there are simple changes you could make to your rig, that would make it much easier to identify sound issues like the ones in this episode. If it wasn't for the face that I live in Sweden, I would have offered to come by and help you out, but as it is it might be easier for you to find someone closer 🙂
Do you guys know Richard Bartle's taxonomy of Player Types? Tool where he put players of MMOs like World of Warcraft into four different types (Explorers, Killers, Socialisers and Achievers). From the discussion here, I feel like Tom and Mike are different types, Tom being more of an "Explorer" type whereas Mike may be an "Achiever" type- not just because Tom likes exploration in games, but he's talked about co-op games being too hard and he just wants to experience all the content. So he'll play a game on "easy" in order to see that content, whereas for an achiever playing on easy would be cheating.
@@readilium3432 Yeah Richard has done lots of talks online for game conferences so you can find him pretty easy. He co-created the first MUD back in the late 70s (Multi-User Dungeon). Some other people have built off of his work to classify players into other groupings as well.
great group of games! this was fun to watch :) also… we love playing Near and Far in arcade mode! 🙌🏽🤓💗
Mike, you are worth it.
I had been thinking of ordering the retail edition of Radlands, but after seeing Zee's #27, I ordered the Super Deluxe version.
Good call, the playmats for this are excellent and helpful when playing.
I almost never hard disagree with Tom but Masmorra is reeeally fun and I haven't had a bad game of it. I can't figure out why Tom is so harsh on it, frankly.
Because its a simpler/faster version of Arcadia Quest. He hammers the dice monsters in the review.
He dislikes the dice monsters. I think this topic may have been brought up in the Tom is wrong video. 🤷♂️
I think that the mic problem is a 5th mic that is being rubbed because I am looking at the panel and they aren’t doing anything to their mic that would make that noise, it’s something behind the camera
lol, Zee brought the teacher an Apple. What a suckup!
Backed for $50. Hopefully this can help fix the mic issues. :D
@@shortydancer Not a burn. I legit hope they can work on the mic issues with what they get from the Kickstarter.
In the end summary, People's Choice 28 is Space Base, and 27 is Gloomhaven JOTL
Good point - I also saw this mistake but you were the first to comment on it 👍😊.
In the end summary list between 70 and 61 there was also some inaccuracies - I believe between place 69 and 79 in Mike's list.
Not sure someone addressed it, but there is an app for Tom’s #25. Implementation is great.
Second list in a row that I've crossed over with Mike and The People!
#30 - Cartographers
#29 - Paleo
#28 - Aeon's End: Legacy
#27 - Spirit Island
#26 - Space Base
#25 - Brass: Birmingham
#24 - Stuffed Fables
#23 - Everdell
#22 - Above and Below
#21 - Horrified
Another great list, always sad when the end’s in sight!
Wendy, I found out about Five Tribes from Tabletop as well! As a matter of fact I found out about a lot of games from that show. But not as many as from The Dice Tower, and that’s a fact!
22:29 the top right of the insert video lines up almost perfectly with the card on the table.
I guess we're just not meant for Rosenberg's games with an huge variety of resources and buildings, but Caverna's gigantic building option board was just too much.
Live Shows segment suggestion: Poll the audience. The war between Dominion and DC Deck builder made me think of it. Love all you guys since the first top 100. (I miss the high pitched tone intro sound)
*Listens to Tom’s Dominion app rant while using the iOS app* 😁
It’s been in beta for months, it’ll be out soon
I agree Sleeping Gods is his masterpiece.
I'm glad to finally see some love for Unsettled. I freaking love that game
Surprising to see Arkham LCG dropped for Zee…..I think this new Edge of the Earth campaign would really bump it back up! Easily one of the best. Hopefully he finds some time for it.
My top 30-21:
30 Sheriff of Nottingham
29 Star Wars: Rebellion
28 Super Mario: Level Up! Board Game
27 RoboRally
26 Ingenious
25 Dream Home
24 Sub Terra
23 Acquire
22 Mice and Mystics
21 The Republic of Rome
Time's Up (Title Recall) is my #91 (Tom's #29).
Deception: Murder in Hong Kong is my #80 (Mike's #27)
King of Tokyo is my #54 (Zee's #30)
Sub Terra is my #24 (crossover with Zee's #29)
Orléans is my #64 (People's Choice #25)
Any others mentioned may be higher on my list...
The best traditional combat deck-builder: Shards of Infinity.
Also @RoyCanaday calling back to a few lists ago, Spectre Ops Broken Covenant fixed that misprint a while ago. Unless you just don’t like the red board, I’d suggest people just buy it instead since you get more stuff. Same with Dead of Winter - Long Night has much better components + modules, just different characters.
I bought Broken Covenant a few months ago. It did not have the fixes. If you buy the game, assume it needs the stickers (pub got them to me withing a week)
@@simonadams yikes that stinks! Maybe it’s a matter of checking how old an edition is?
57:30 Tom screams for a Dominion app when there is one (and a PC version)! He must not know yet, but yeah, it took way too long to have a standard app version of this game.
(The expansions on the app are pricey though!)
Where? I just checked the App Store and I do not see dominion available?
Don't see it in the recent comments, but the People's Choice List at the end is wrong: Where it has 27 - Arkham Horror LCG, it should be Gloomhaven: JOTL, and G: JOTL at 28 should be Space Base. I was entering everything in my spreadsheet for s&g so heads-up to anyone else using the end lists.
It's weird that there isn't an app version of Dominion. I had never played it before but they released a digital version recently on steam and I've played more of it than any other game last year I think, rofl. There are a lot of deck builders out there, but seeing the kingdom cards you got in a game and trying to figure out which strategy or cards you want to focus on is so satisfying
I had a very brief phase of liking Dominion but found the online presence a little too serious for my liking
...and so we interrupt today's top 100 list for *Top 10 Cave Games*
Zee probably compared Death May Die to Arkham Horror LCG and decided one is more easier to get to the table.
Aren't there more than three games in Haba's family line? Adventureland, Karuba you mentioned, but there is a few more like Honga and Mountains? Or are those in some other line?
pretty sure the mic noise is comign from someone not on the video
I was thinking the same thing. It almost felt like there was another mic on somewhere or some other ambient sound being picked up.
@@seymour_krelborn or it's something on their feet, could be when they're moving their feet around
Yes Mike with the Petrichor love! I really like it but can never persuade people to try it.
I got Adventureland from a friend. Really enjoy it. Wish i could get the expansion for it.
Everdell I REALLY wanted to like... and I DID like the tight worker placement, but the card goals and other goals just seemed like search the deck for a certain card and the luckiest player doing that had a HUGE point advantage. Maybe some of the expansions would fix it but I didn't want to invest in them without knowing.
Thunderbirds is great...sometimes.
Others you just get bad luck with hood rolls and the game crashes to a halt with nothing you can do about it, which is hugely unfortunate :/.
Zee + Root = make it happen! we will be there!
It looks like there is a fifth person somewhere messing with their mike all the time :)
I think the sound issue is placement and they are rubbing / breathing.
New mics are not needed.
I promise you that is NOT it. We checked.
@@thedicetower when you did the check midstream, Wendy was facing straight ahead. the issue was being caused when she turned her head toward Tom & Zee, thereby directly breathing onto her microphone. The rule-of-thumb should be that lapel mics should always be placed on the side opposite where the wearer is facing. So in Wendy's case, since she was going to be turning her head to the left a lot, her mic should have been on her right side.
@@balbright 100% correct.
zee is not realizing that DRAFTING cards Plus the polyomino game makes for a really amazing game. Lots of tension too as people snatch up the color or shape of cat tile you NEED lol. This is by far the best polyomino game made, and it's a great drafting game as well.
They just do the "mics make noise" so people will go and support the Dice Tower kickstarter!
Tom: "The two main complaints leveled against [Dominion]...'oh look! All these new things deckbuilding games can do!' and that's great - that doesn't make this one bad suddenly."
Also Tom: Caverna is better than Agricola and Agricola therefore should no longer even be on the Top 100.
59:00 What Mike said about Dominion is absolutely the case for me. I've already played games with deck building and so I wasn't really impressed with Dominion when I played it. Hell, I was kind of unimpressed. Having to buy a card that is JUST points to put into your deck that does nothing until the end when you score is pretty boring. I don't generally like deck builders anyway, but Dominion didn't really do anything for me. I'd rather play Star Realms or Mystic Vale over Dominion.
#Mikefanclub Honestly Tom's "hate" towards Mike is the catalyst for some of Mike's best jokes! Keep it coming!
"Troops on a map"? But "Mates on a map" was right there!
All fruit are vegetables (edible part of a plant) and a fruit is the reproductive part of the fruit, but not all vegetables are fruit.
looking forward to the top 20
There is a Dominion iOS app in beta currently. seems pretty good and expansion support is planned
It's nice to see Masmorra getting some love. I totally agree with Mike on that one.
So has Sleeping Gods been on everyone's list this far?
People 86, Tom 82, Mike 29, Zee 24
Tom played the Root app tutorial live and we watched so... I think we can handle Zee doing it. Only difference would be that Tom played Root irl prior to the app.
THE DISAPPEARING-HAT CONSPIRACY!
Pink Hat... 12:40 - 12:50
Tan Hat... 21:33 - 21:43
Rat Hat... 29:38 - 29:45
Grey Hat... 39:33 - 39:42
Black Hat... 49:54 - 50:02
Dark Grey Hat... 1:01:06 - 1:01:13
Purple Hat... 1:08:02 - 1:08:08
Mustard Hat... 1:16:04 - 1:16:12
Tom's Hat... 1:23:29 - 1:23:34
The mic issues I think is from something breathing out of their nose directly down.
I expect a stretch goal for the 2023 Kickstarter to be Wendy and Tom spelunking. Or maybe just a live play of SubTerra.
Tom starting off strong with the negging
I actively avoid Dominion since my first play, it has so much text and as a first time player you have such a disadvantage compared to regular players.
For a few years I thought deck building wasn't for me, just because of Dominion.
After enjoying Century Spice Road, El Dorado and Great Western Trail I realize it was just Dominion that stresses me out.
That’s a fair criticism. It really is a much better experience if someone who is familiar with the game explains the gist of each card before the game starts, but new players wouldn’t always have an experienced player available to explain the rules.
The other option is for your first few games, just playing with cards that have simple text. You could easily set it up with only cards that have the vanilla +1 Card, +1 Action, etc. bonuses.
But yes, I can understand it being a frustrating experience if you get one of those cards like Pirate Ship with a wall of text and you’re stuck wondering what the cards even do.
That's very fair, true of almost any card game.
I agree with Tom in 25... not about Dominion though XD... but about the fact that some "classic" games tend to become even better once the other "new reimaginings" past the hype...
IMHO Dixit is better than Mysterium and Obscurio and it was the 1st one of that kind. I also like the 1st Azul to be honest, I feel even though more "basic" they also feel cleaner to a certain extent and I tend to enjoy their simplicity :) ... I am happy to see Five Tribes again (my #1) and I know it's going to be higher on Zee's list :P
Hey Tom, I’m curious as to why Dominion over Shards of Infinity?
Ok, the bashing of Hansa Teutonica has come up a few times now...why? It's a perfectly pleasant board with wonderful detail, why the hate? Just because it doesn't have super heroes and fully saturated colors?
Also curious as to what was 'broken' in Lancashire? I've only ever played that version of Brass and have never felt there was a problem with it. Curious as to what was so wrong that has led Birmingham to be considered the better version by so many.
It’s just an opinion. I am sure there are games they like that you don’t like (maybe over saturated games with super heroes?) that they do. Games by and large are opinion based and if they don’t like it and it works for you great. There are plenty of games they don’t like that I do, and it doesn’t bother me because there are plenty options to go around.
@@Therisktaker3 Yes. But what about Lancashire/Birmingham?
@@Therisktaker3 I also realized I edited out the line that made it clear this was mostly tongue in cheek.
I was introduced to deckbuilding through Dominion and everything Mike said applies to me :) . I have moved to DC purely because I am a HUGE fan of DC comics and have the big multiverse box.
Is the retail version of Marvel United worth it? Or is the game need many or all of the kickstarter-exclusives to be worth it?
Mezo is such a great game and the ability to change tactics on a given turn is awesome. Definitely worth picking up! 7th Continent may be the single most disappointing game I have ever played. The lengths I went to in order to get a copy, only to play it and not enjoy it. I really just did not internalize how much of a survival game this was when I saw it. definitely a case where a demo or watching the game be played would have saved me some money.
@@readilium3432 I watched part of a playthrough, but we did learn it mostly at the table. I would look for some player aids on BGG as rules as written are not great
the new anniversary edition of Carcassonne is amazing and I got a few promos and smaller expansions and added it to the box. not going full on big box with this but a little variety is cool. DEF don't need to own everything for this game [same way I feel about Dominion]
also splurged and got the set of 7 maps shipped from EU to further change up the game. very different feel playing in a restricted area
You need like someone wearing a complete black suit to sneak in and adjust microphones when there is a mic problem. Or you zoom in on someone's face or on Tom's hat and secretly adjust it. ^_^
I think Tom may have been thinking of Jump Drive when reviewing RftG at #27.
Oh, I wasn't! Jump Drive is a fine game, but Race for the Galaxy is a GREAT game.
The people's choice selections better reflect the games played by people who don't have a business account solely for purchasing games and who do not get free copies of games to review. The people's choice list should be called the realistic budget list.
That is exactly why it's there. But "People's Choice" is catchy.
Love the hat countdown
Hey I like this people's choice girl! Please come more often!
Lol Birmingham didn't remove any mechanisms from Lancashire. If anything it removed one edge case, and added three in its place! It is more replayable in terms of variety though which is why it is more popular.
It removed the virtual connection link, variable loan amounts, and cut-off for taking loans. True there's some new mechanisms and edge cases added, I've always seen them understood easier than the virtual link connection.
@@thedicetower the new version of Lancashire doesn't have the virtual link either :p variable loan amounts are no big deal.
But fair enough Wendy. You make good points.
@@nzcamel3 Also the removal of the distant market mechanism is one of the best improvements from the original.
@@DTChrisYi that's probably fair. I do prefer the interaction of player owned ports with cotton mills.
#30.Road to the Whitehouse
#29.Rail Baron- old Avalon Hill game ❤
#28.Command & Colors "Ancients"
#27.Acquire- old Avalon Hill game 😁
#26.Shogun- old MB game 💯 better than "Axis & Allies"
#25.Smash up
#24.Bunny Kingdom
#23.Roll Player
#22.Splender this game will always have a place at my table.
#21.Formula- D
That's my 30-21 games
What's up with Zee at the end of #27? LOL!
I absolutely love Cthulhu death may die!
I'm really curious what the bet was that Tom lost to Mike.
While I own ALL of it and not encouraging as a replacement, Zee you should try playing Arkham on TTS. Build a deck with ArkhamDB and it has mostly been scripted to make setup and tear down instant. For Solo play with two Character... fast and quick.
Awesome lists! Not sure if the mic problem has been solved but it really sounds like there’s a mic on off screen that someone is close to. One of the previous videos I could here someone tapping their fingers and no one on screen was tapping.
There's a problem with the mics......oh no tom always sounds like that
Zee’s comedy is perfect
“Give me an app!” Want to make a ton of money within a year? Begin to train to be a developer. In response to Tom, you may not realize how short we are as a people on developers. We are in a severely short supply, so old games, like Dominion, don’t get the priority.
We just don’t have the talent to do all the development that’s needed in all sorts of areas.
My #24 is Everdell as well, Zee! Huzzah!
I am intimidated by the root app and would watch Zee learn
Don't be. I don't play very heavy games but the Steam version of Root has a fantastic tutorial. You learn the Cats first because they're the most straightforward and then go from there.
If I can do it, you definitely can.
I'd like to see Zee playing the Root app!
Would 100 percent watch Zee do the app.
Dominion almost killed deckbuilding for me. It was the first deckbuilder I tried, and I kept trying it over and over because people raved about it and I figured I was just missing something, but I hated it. So then I tried Ascension and I also hated that. At that point, I figured maybe I just didn't like the mechanic. But I reluctantly gave Marvel Legendary a chance, and it turns out I do like deck building as long as it has more going on. I can't stand "pure" deck builders though. They're just bland and boring to me.
What’s going on with the noisy audio mikes yikes.
King of Tokyo Dark edition is THE BEST version of this game.