I also prefered the cable clutch, and fell they listened to me when they changed. I've been riding my 18 RGU for 3 years, and 65k miles, and adapted to the hydraulic clutch.
I bought a 2020 Road Glide Special. I wished they offered it in chrome like they did the first couple years they made specials. I like the look ok I would have got chrome if they offered it at the time. The black shows every speck of lent, it smudges. The black is probably even cheaper for them to do on the bikes. You know Harley though, they known for figuring out how to make something cheaper, charging you more for it and convincing you there is something more special about it. Like denim paint. You get an incomplete paint job and pay more for it.
Personally my father and me prefer the cable clutch, more feel and better consistency, my hydraulic has so many issues, might have a defective one but they claim no issues
@@434srt90 so far i have found the friction zone to be in the same spot every time. my father has a 96 softtail and has to adjust his every few thousand miles. i would like to see what a cable clutch would be like from brand new. thanks for the insight!
@@434srt90 it should of been my father and I , this will save H-D millions of dollars and guarantees them sales of cables plus shop labor , my 3 HD that have hydraulic clutches are very reliable and have the same pull time after time with only a flush maintenance , that I never have to worry about leaving myself stranded 50 miles from a dealership
Same here. No survey, and I just bought last year. Still getting used to the hydraulic clutch. But I don’t find it so bad I’d want to go back to a cable.
Loved the review. One comment I would like to share, is concerning being able to relate to the Harley spokespersons. When Ryan looked to see who they were, he didn’t talk bad about them, but questioned whether or not they were relatable to us as riders. The key word is riders, and no matter what walk of life they come from, if they have the passion to ride, they are all relatable. Brothers and Sisters in the wind. Thank you Ryan for the great videos. Heres to many more years of riding.
I'll admit that when I went from having nothing but cable clutch motorcycles/ Harleys to the 19' Electra Glide Standard FLHT with a hydraulic clutch. The artificial feel of the hydraulic clutch was definitely weird for me at first but I grew to love it and the fact it's always consistently the same. Doesn't get spongy when struck in traffic. I feel like it would be weird to go back to cable clutch.
As a former Motor Officer who rode the 2009 Police Electra Glide, I don't mind the hydraulic clutch. It did take a little time to learn the new friction zone.
I was underwhelmed with the reveal. Too much marketing and not enough substance, the story stuff didn't interest me. Too much focus on the CVO's and not enough improvements to the standard bikes. I also don't like losing the hydraulic clutch, feels like a step backwards as I loved the hydro clutch on my 2016 Road Glide. They didn't show anything which makes me want to go out and buy a brand new Harley unfortunately.
I totally agree with you on everything! I've owned over 20 new Harleys in the past and many CVO bikes,,, my favorite being the 2007 FXSTSSE! A beautiful springer with the 110" and besides being a little nose heavy, it was so fun to ride and drive around Pa!
don't like it, buy an Indian or something else. Harley pays their top people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to tell me what I want and who am I to argue?
I think it sucks that Harley did not come out with a 2021 Low Rider. It is one of the best looking Harley and a big part of bringing Harley out of the dark AMF days.
Problem is they seem to be super strict about image usually. Can't be seen with other bikes etc.. I'd love to see Shadetree on the Harley marketing. He could do a whole tinder date mashup on the fxr.
I personally like the hydraulic clutch, don’t get why they would go backwards. Definitely like that they brought back the chrome option for the special. They also have some great color choices this year
@@inflatable_elvis_6.722, yep, I'm surprised he was not able to come up with that info... 2lanelife, thrashin supply (some awesome stuff)... come on brother, what kind of police work is that? 😉
Does HD really think the new generation wants to deal with those outdated clutches? My kids are 20 & 21 and are thinking about getting a bike. They don't want a $40k Touring cvo !
When i first heard about the hydraulic clutch issues a few years ago, i thought they were probably due to the basically air cooled block, there is no controlling wild temperature fluctuations without water jackets, thats why everybody else uses them. In other words, the slave end of the system was probably getting overheated, “boiling” the fluid, causing the issues. I’d bet the problem is a lot more prevalent in Miami than it is in Seattle.
Clutch story and why I think its a good change: I owned a 2014 Fatbob, cable clutch, loved it, it was stolen, I got the money from insurance and decided it was a good time to step up to a 2020 street glide special, after about a week of riding the street glide special I was asking if there was any way to change the clutch because it was way worse than the cable on my Fatbob. The pull was harder and was at the end of travel, far away from the grip, the dealer said no, I was really regretting the purchase, I loved everything about the motorcycle except the clutch, so I looked online the only way to do anything to was to get an adjustable lever (I got the Oberon ones). It took me from trading the motorcycle in and getting a softail to actually enjoying the motorcycle. If it were a cable then, that would not have been an issue at all, I would have just had it adjusted and not thought anything about it. Hydraulic clutches are much harder to pull, IDK why people keep saying they are "easier" they are further away from the grip so you are using your finger tips to pull it, and your hand is much weaker when it is extended, thus making it harder to pull. I think the Hydraulic clutches suck and kinda wish I had a 2021 instead of a 2020 now, I have a couple thousand miles on the motorcycle now with the new lever so it is not as bad, but having to buy a set of 300 dollar levers to make it enjoyable sucked.
I love the hydraulic clutch on my 2020 Street Glide Special. My previous bike was a 2018 Sport Glide with a cable clutch and apart from needing a couple of adjustments over the first few thousand miles I had no problem with it. I could roll with either although I do feel that the hydraulic clutch is more premium and the cable clutch is really the cheapest way to get the job done.
not sure I can relate to their promotional celebrities/riders. the fact that so many of us spend thousands in upgrades/changes/options/etc should send a clear message to HD...but I don't think so...it's one thing to "enhance" or "personalize" your bike, it's another to add things for safety, etc. I keep looking at the BMW 1600 bagger...and wonder? Good video R...love all that you do.
I have both Harley and Indian I buy a new one every year depending on who has the best release looks like this year getting a new Indian challenger witch from the factory keeps up with my 131 cvo limited.
I think they missed a trick with the Pan America, instead of using the Live Wire in “The Long Way Down” they should of used the Pan Am, that would have been a more realistic option and for us in the real world a more affordable option, who in their right mind is going to tour on a Live Wire 🤷♂️. Great video as always Ryan. Ride safe ✌️
Hi Ryan the father and son clip was Lance from 2lanelife on You tube. They are fantastic guys and they travel all over the USA. certenly keeps me sane in lockdown lol. Enjoy your vlogs too from here in the UK
The father-son duo is 2LaneLife on TH-cam. They just started about 11 months ago and have a great Channel. I enjoy their videos very much. It is a kind of small channel as compared to some, but I immediately recognized them from TH-cam. The others I did not know who they were. I guess it shows that Harley is looking at some TH-cam creators, but I would like to see Harley interacting with several more creators and Harley people like you and many others.
I felt there was nothing for the younger audience. The event looked more of a large and everlasting commercial video rather then being an informative one. I know zeist said more harley products are coming up and going to be virtual displayed, but at least they could have said something more about the new custom with the revolution x engine and pan America. The event was more of a long commercial video for road glide cvo and non cvo. They took about 55% of the whole length of this video for 2 models. But the street Bob is really interesting.
If there was 1 motorcycle Harley REALLY dropped the ball on it looks like was the BRONX that thing would have appealed to the younger crowd 🤔at least those that might still be interested in riding.😳👍🏼🇺🇸😎
Just checked out the 2lanelife channel that a number of guys mention in the comments here. These guys are cool. It's decent with some really nice ride out video's and again decent quality and editing. Best of all the content is free so no TH-cam tax 👍😀
I have messed with the street bob since they took away the tachometer for this digital version. My only complaint is that its probably 2.5 inches too small, really it needs to double in size. The other complaint it should be brighter, or have an on board adjustment to tune brightness settings. It does work and its cool but too small.
1. virtual launch was fine 2. trying to convince us that they heard our cries for: a cable clutch one fob HD only tuners ... it's just sad they think we're that stupid
Every year that new Harleys come out I get happier with my Kawasaki Vaquero; Comes standard with hydraulic clutch, cruise control, linked brakes and ABS, for less than $13,000 BRAND NEW
I have an 06 Road King Classic and love the feel of my cable clutch ... for the first 1,000 miles after I adjust it. Yes, I know I cannot fan out the friction zone on hydraulic the way that I can on cable, but I’d be willing to adapt for the benefit of a consistent clutch.
The Father son scene in H-D video is from the two lane life TH-cam channels. Lance with his buddy Gaylin puts serious miles down every week and film it. I think they represent what the freedom of a Harley trip is about. Just like your documentaries you do
You are correct in saying Harley Davidson is not in touch with it's clientele. The fact that they dropped the hydraulic clutch is not a surprise. I would guess there are 3 or 4 brilliant minds, who probably don't even ride, making these decisions. Ryan, I find your videos insightful. Harley would be smart to enlist you as one of their representatives to help turn things around for them. Then and maybe then we might get a motorcycle for true bikers.
I've had cable and hydraulic clutches; on all old, Japanese bikes. Less trouble out of the hydraulic ones (had a broken cable on the way to work once that was a hassle), but riding impression from one to the other is a toss-up. As long as you do hydro right it's fine, as long as you do cable right it's fine. Finesse for a Gymkhana type of cone-work thing I can definitely see the value in a more consistent feel out of the hydro for sure; but for me just knockin' around it really doesn't matter. At the same time, the CVO's are ... not cheap; and a cable just seems... cheap.
Idk I rode sport bikes and the sportster harley made, I personally from riding the 19 street glide, I feel the cable is more consistent and more reliable, plus less money if needing to be fixed, I have had so many issues with my hydraulic where it like more stiff then the stage clutches with cable. Most rides I've gone on and people tried my clutch where absolutely shocked how stiff it is for factory
@@434srt90 Cable clutch is SUPER cheap to fix for sure. The one I broke was like $15 :D If I ever toured with it I would have probably brought a spare.
Hey Ryan - I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff and I really like your videos. I wish the S.O. I retired from would have had a motorcycle patrol because I would have definitely been a part of it. I've been riding since I was about 12 years old, and I love motorcycles. I've bought 6 Harley's since 2009. You are "Spot on" with your Harley info; I really like your channel, and the very informative information you have is GREAT!! KUDO'S FORM A BROTHER IN BLUE!!
All they talked about was paint and Stereos No mention about if they finally started welding their crankshafts correctly instead of just pressing them together or if they finally put the Timken bearing back in.
The dad on the father/son segment is part of the 2LaneLIve youtube channel. These guys ride all over the country and do free videos of their travels. That one and the woman are the only two that made sense to me. It was interesting to hear the HD employees talk about the bikes from their perspective since they are the ones doing the designs. As always, great video, thanks for all the hard work to make this content for us all.
Lance and his son, Lance Jr. along with many others rode from their homes in Southern CA to the Harley Museum in Milwaukee via Route 66 to Chicago. They made a video of the museum and had special tour options to film the museum. If you haven't seen seen it, you should take a look. This is probably why they got a spot in the vid of the rollout. Just saying. These guys are genuine!! Check them out --- 2LaneLife
Have 2019 hydraulic clutch. Have arthritis but like it better. Been watching Jerry Paladino, don't use clutch- practice. Also put on intake and DK exhaust. No tuner is needed, they are correct everyone else is wrong. On older harley yes you need a tune. Watch their dyno runs with and without tunner.
Thanx, Ryan. I agree. I little too much fluff for me. Yeah, I also didn’t get momoa standing in front of his Christmas tree. I like the fact that h-d is giving customers the choice of black or chrome on the specials. Can’t wait for your sturgis vid. Have a great weekend. 🇺🇸
I put the Mueller power slave clutch on my hydraulic clutch and it is great for reduction of pull force and keeps friction zone in place for slow maneuvers. Before the Mueller I used the soft brake reduced reach clutch lever and it helped. I have friends with the AIM slave cylinder and they are happy with that.
I don't think all that stuff is going to convince me on my next motorcycle purchase to be Harley or Indian. But that new Goldwing with the DCT transmission and flat 6 is looking nice when you compare what bang you get for the buck.
I can agree with that statement - I own a DCT Tour and an Ultra Limited. I still like the UL, but the Goldwing is awesome. They both have their pros and cons though. If buying a bike today, I’d take a long hard look at the ‘21 Goldwing, either DCT or 6 MT.
@@Hogdriver88 I had the opportunity a few years ago to get a Goldwing F6-B and I held off because I didn't like the way the saddlebags opened sideways.
@@michiganborn8303 They still haven't changed that. I agree that side opening bags are a PITA - it helps to use the soft bag liners - they contain your stuff without letting it spill all over the pavement.
@@michiganborn8303 Not really and it would take up too much space here to list everything, pro or con, between both bikes. I should do a video on it all. I would say the cons are really just a matter of getting used to a different bike - nothing I would list as a con is a show stopper. Go test ride one - if you can find one - and see for yourself. It did take me 3 test rides to finally decide and I am not at all unhappy with my purchase.
Basically an overly long commercial with as little technical information as possible and some celebrity endorsements. Frankly I couldn’t care less what Aquaman thinks or likes. On the plus side some nice paint.
Because the cable is adjustable and the hydraulic sucks and you cant adjust it, ether you like it with the friction zone at the end of travel or hate it, many riders including me, hated it, I had to buy adjustable levers just to get the friction zone close to the grip so I could more easily manage it. I seriously had the conversation with my wife about 200 miles into owning a 2020 Street Glide Special about trading it in for a softail that had a cable clutch and eating the extra cost of trading in and getting a new bike. The Oberon levers I found online via Jerry “Motorman” Palladino's recommendation on them saved me from doing that. I still wish I could have just adjusted the clutch and not had to spend 300 dollars on levers.
As far as the people in the virtual event goes, I don’t need anyone so that I can connect with to make me want to buy another Harley, the bike speak for themselves & that’s all I’m interested in. Better, stronger, safer is all I need to want another one, just my two cents. Great info RU!
Harley wants to connect with people who can afford to buy new . I am a blue collar worker with a mortgage and a family and there is no way a new Harley is in my budget. I ride an 11 ultra limited I purchased 3 years ago because it was in my price range. I love my Harley but I will not take a second mortgage out to buy a new one.
I don't see how they cost so much, its not even close to other brands, even a new bmw seems cheap in comparison lol, I been wanting a s1000r for a while, they just made a new zx10r you could get both for the price of some of these Harleys, over 360hp between two bikes or 100hp for the same money
The Certified Pre-owned program is for the core following - this was aimed at the status conscious people that pay full price for a Harley. That is the new Harley - buy a lifestyle.
I'm onboard with the cable clutch. I don't get the chrome specials though? Why not just offer the 114 as an option on the Standard RG/SG. I have zero desire to trade my 2020 RGS though.
2LANELIFE, as someone so involved in Harley community, I can’t believe you didn’t know who lance and lance Coury are. Thrashin supply and 2LaneLife . Search them
Bought a 2019 tri glide. I found out after purchase no tool kit anymore. Then in 2020 they really started deleting things on the tri glide with no compensation on price. I now have a 2020 cvo trike and this will b my last HD. No hydraulic clutch is a deal killer for me. You pay for a premium bike not a stripped bike, oh and don’t get me started on there Bluetooth HD only “ransom” on the headsets along with having to buy a module for Bluetooth! Really? It’s 2021 and Bluetooth is a option except cvo!
Losing my interest and desire to by anything from H.D. after 40 years of proud ownership of Harley bikes . They have lost the most important elements to me is the soul and mystique. Chasing quarterly earnings they lost their way . They can’t go forever , closing over 50 dealerships and customer base . Thanks Harley great marketing plan .
@@mikehouse68 what a stupid, childish reply. What will Harley do without people like him, and me, and lots of others? They will go out of business, or, more likely, their stock price will drop to such a low level that they will become a take over target for venture capitalists from a little place called CHINA. Yeah, I could see Jack Ma (Alibaba CEO) the CEO of HD one day. Seriously.
Businesses used to be local and serve a niche purpose... Harley in the pursuit of gold... Has become anything and everything. They lost their focus in my opinion... They are a Marketing Driven Company... not an engineering or innovation company. Harley puts heavy stock into woke.. College trained people... I bet the minimum to get an office job is a bachelor's degree... and that they get sensitivity training... I bet the engineers only get to reverse engineer and have huge cost savings projects. These are my opinions on why I think They will never be great again.
need help ! bought 2021 road king classic , changed 16 inch handlebar on it end have no idea which clutch cable i should buy .... maby someone knows which clutch cable gonna feet on bike ? thank you !
being a 2017 road king owner chrome and silver 107 . seeing 114 is nice black out no way . there still not even putting led headlight in them . and the fact they took the old school turn signals away i so happy with mine .
The hydraulic clutch is great when you change the master cylinder. I felt my 2018 ultra the clutch was a bit stiffer than the cable. The friction zone was at the end travel and very small. I ended up getting adjustable levers. Enter AIM hydraulic master cylinder, my 2020 ultra now feels like I always thought a hydraulic clutch should feel, lighter and the friction zone is pretty well where my 2009 ultra with a clutch cable had. Thanks for the info with law enforcement clutch needs makes sense for a hydraulic clutch system with self adjustment etc. now I feel Harley went backwards.
I was disappointed that H-D went with a cable instead of the hydraulic clutch on the 2021 models. On the 2021 Limited and other Touring Models, H-D eliminated the heal shifter, and the fairing vent open/close flap.
That happened in 2020 or before. They also come with one key fob instead of two. Edit: softails too, and even sooner. I had to add a heel shifter to my 2019 Heritage, while my 2016 Fat Boy S and 2011 Fat Boy came with them.
I thought the online launch of the 2021 models was a bit limp but as you said it did include an invite to us Harley riders. Bikes I'm a chrome man from way back! The new 114 street bob is very tempting.
I am pro cable clutch. I see your point about hand fatigue in training, but most of us don't do that. It may be that I am stuck in my ways and am comfortable adjusting the cable to exactly where I want it.
They put together some great ride vids, very good moto vloggers, better then most around. They are not cheesy like a lot of vloggers. As mentioned, they are part of Thrashin Supply, selling products they he developed instead of schlepping other’s products.
@@whitey25817 Ryan made the comment that he didn’t see how any of those guests other than the girl that camps could bring more people to Harley. 2 Lane Life guys have a great channel and have probably inspired many to ride. Also, I have a paid subscription to the Law abiding biker videos. So really looks like you’re the only one that’s butt hurt. Hahaha!
I have never had an problem with cable clutch. I have a 2018 FLHX with hydraulic clutch. It is the worst clutch feel I can remember in over 50 years of riding. I have tried the adjustable levers and the rebent Softbrake levers. They did help but still don't cut it.
Lots of good information to know! As far as cable clutch goes...it will somewhat difficult for some that have arthritis setting in. Tough sell for HD and Indian. Thank you for this information.
I like your channel. I ride a 2020 Indian Roadmaster but I appreciate all bikes. I generally agree with you. My question is, how can the moco continue to offer a touring line void of features like power windshields and ride modes? Literally every other major player in the touring segment offers these features and as standard equipment for the same or lower price point. I can say, personally , as a traveler , these are valuable features . By the way, I dont have a problem with the cable clutch , my Indian also has one. I thought it strange Indian would do that on a premium bike but I have had no issues.
Is it possible the MOCO started using the softail engine/transmission set up in the tour line? Due to previous issues regarding fluid migration & sumping tour bikes had, but wasnt happening as often with softails? It would also make sense from a production standpoint to just use one engine/transmission set up instead of two. Just wondering out loud .
Cable clutch on my 05 Ultra...hydraulic on the 2018 Limuted. Got stuck in heavy traffic on the first long ride with the hydraulic. Forearm got fatigued with the friction zone being so far out... Ordered OBERON levers when I got home. Those adjustable levers did the trick. At a riding class the MOTOR teaching advised that every time you ride with adjustable levers you should adjust them all the way out and squeeze the clutch in 8-10 times and then return it to your setting for comfort. The only issue I found is that the adjustable levers, when adjusted closer to the bars, do not engage the neutral safety switch so you cannot start the bike while it is in gear with the clutch pulled in. Overall the adjustable levers work well for me!
I enjoyed your video. I would like to know as a motorcycle instructor have you ever tried a Honda Goldwing with a DCT transmission on your course? If so what is your opinion between manual versus automatic. Thanks
So glad I bought my 2019 CVO Street Glide when I did. I had waited until the release of the 2020 CVO models and I saw they had removed the fairing lowers and speakers. Having just recently made a trip the the Smoky Mountains on my 06 Fat Boy with my buddies who were on Ultra Limiteds, and we got caught in rain several times, I decided I wanted those fairing lowers on my next bike. So I immediately checked several of my local dealers here in Houston for any "new" 2019 CVO SGs, and found what I was looking for. Ended up buying a new (3 miles on the odometer) 2019 CVO SG three days after the delivery of the 2020 models. I paid $5000 less but got those CVO color matched fairing lowers with the Stage II speakers, the heal shifter, two key FOBs and retained the capability to close the fairing vent, all of which were missing on the 2020s. Now the 2021 model also loses the hydraulic clutch, after market tuner connectivity, and possibly the SiriusXM module, with still no price reduction. They really should brand these new ones CVO Lite. To be fair, my 2019 is missing the RDRS option the 2020/2021 models have. But I am good with still having the linked braking with ABS. And, I'll have to check out to see if the new 100 Watts per channel four speaker Rockford Fosgate setup is noticeably improved over my 150 Watts per channel six speaker Boom Audio setup. Still, I feel my 2019 is holding good value when compared to these two newer year models. I know I would feel shorted to pay these prices today and be missing that many features that previous year models had. Ryan, love your review, how-to, and documentary videos. When not out riding, this is the kind of "reality TV" I prefer to watch. Keep up the good work.
I definitely like the orange and the orange and black paint scheme. as for the clutch, I've had both and prefer the hydraulic clutch. but, its the same ol HD. lets put a bigger price tag on the bikes and take more away. cheers!
Some complaints about the hydraulic clutch lever is that the friction point is too far out and can not be adjusted. For me the hydraulic clutch lever is fine and I like it more than a cable clutch.
1962egl - I just picked up a new (previous model year) 2019 Road Glide Ultra last fall. First experience with a Harley hydraulic clutch. I’ve been riding 35 years, and felt like a rookie, because of the friction zone situation. And I’m not new to hydraulic clutches. My ‘85 Honda V45 Magna I’ve had since new (my second bike ever), and the ‘84 Gold Wing Aspencade I rode for 7 or 8 years, before buying my first Harley, have/had hydraulic clutches. Smooth as silk. But I find the H-D hydraulic clutch is touchy as hell. Can you explain how the Oberon levers helped?
@@kato64 they are adjustable. Instead of the friction zone being at the end of the travel I can move it to right off the grip. Day and night for slow maneuvers
@@1962egl - I didn’t realize that. I only had it a little over a month before the riding season ended around here, so am still getting to know the bike. I’ll have to look at that come spring. Thanks for the info.
I, for one, really enjoyed the event. The objective of the event was to seemingly reestablish Harley's roots in the road and the ride. Every person they featured was someone for whom the road provides a degree of peace, escape, energy, excitement, community, and adventure. This is the promise of Harley, and benefits it hopes will re-attract new and lapsed consumers to the brand. I was impressed with how singularly focused their message was, and how beautifully they featured their products. This wasn't meant to be a tech spec event, it was meant to be a fashion show. I'm a 38y/o new rider, 4yrs riding, and have fallen head over heels for Harley (Ride: 2020 FXLRS). Whatever they've been doing, it's worked on me. And as a new rider, it's kind of frustrating how older riders/people with a lot of experience with the brand do nothing by bad mouth and complain about corporate, marketing, and branding. Why not root for the brand? Why not support what it's trying to do? It's made some mis-steps, sure, but what brand hasn't? For an American brand to have lasted this long, in this market, is a true testament to the strength of Harley, its culture, and its community. And I am forever proud to be a part of it.
Was not into the black out look nice to see chrome option took me a few years to warm up to the hydro clutch cost cut move going to cable IMO. I do think it will get some support tho. Still in love with my 14. Aftermarket tuner will catch up quick no worries there. We waited for power vision support when I got my 14 street glide. The social media strategy has been baffling.
Fantastic that HD went back to a cable clutch!!!! The hydraulic clutch engagement point/gray area was way too far out on the clutch lever. It was not adjustable without aftermarket parts.. Great job HD!!!
The only thing that comes to mind to have cable clutch over hydraulic is the cost to change handlebar system to taller ones. Other than that. Hydraulic clutch will always be better.
I have never had a hydro clutch. I just went from a 2010 Heritage to a 2021 Tri Glide Ultra. Still under break in miles. I don't know the difference so I am cool with the cable.
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The father is from 2lanelife which have a huge following. The son is the owner of the Thrashin Supply
Ryan I enjoy the channel. Matt Laidlaw explained the people in the video and they are all known and respected riders
I also prefered the cable clutch, and fell they listened to me when they changed. I've been riding my 18 RGU for 3 years, and 65k miles, and adapted to the hydraulic clutch.
I'm glad they offer the option between chrome and black. I know black is the current trend but I've always preferred chrome.
Oh wow! You get to choose between black and chrome? This changes everything!
Have you seen what they charge for the blackout options? It’s absolutely insane. It’s probably cheaper to have your bike custom painted.
I bought a 2020 Road Glide Special. I wished they offered it in chrome like they did the first couple years they made specials. I like the look ok I would have got chrome if they offered it at the time. The black shows every speck of lent, it smudges. The black is probably even cheaper for them to do on the bikes. You know Harley though, they known for figuring out how to make something cheaper, charging you more for it and convincing you there is something more special about it. Like denim paint. You get an incomplete paint job and pay more for it.
@@fivespeed3026 yeah and in a few years when chrome starts getting popular again they will be charging you more for it.
I agree at least there a choice.. not everyone likes black out
I would rather have the hydraulic clutch Ryan , i have never had a problem with mine
that's what i have but still don't really see the difference. what's your take on the differences?
Personally my father and me prefer the cable clutch, more feel and better consistency, my hydraulic has so many issues, might have a defective one but they claim no issues
@@434srt90 so far i have found the friction zone to be in the same spot every time. my father has a 96 softtail and has to adjust his every few thousand miles. i would like to see what a cable clutch would be like from brand new. thanks for the insight!
@@434srt90 it should of been my father and I , this will save H-D millions of dollars and guarantees them sales of cables plus shop labor , my 3 HD that have hydraulic clutches are very reliable and have the same pull time after time with only a flush maintenance , that I never have to worry about leaving myself stranded 50 miles from a dealership
I'll keep my wonderful hydraulic clutch, guess Harley will go back to cable brakes next,,,and try to justify it!!!!
Strange I didn't get any survey about how I like my hydrolic clutch 😕.
They must have surveyed the local librarian.
😂 thanks for the laugh!! Yah, I never go a survey either. Interesting how they won't email customers as actually ask them. They have our emails.
@@RyanUrlacher i didnt get survey about clutch either. Iown 2020 cvo road glide and love the hydraulic clutch
Same here. No survey, and I just bought last year. Still getting used to the hydraulic clutch. But I don’t find it so bad I’d want to go back to a cable.
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Only time I miss having a cable clutch is in heavy traffic.
Loved the review. One comment I would like to share, is concerning being able to relate to the Harley spokespersons. When Ryan looked to see who they were, he didn’t talk bad about them, but questioned whether or not they were relatable to us as riders. The key word is riders, and no matter what walk of life they come from, if they have the passion to ride, they are all relatable. Brothers and Sisters in the wind.
Thank you Ryan for the great videos. Heres to many more years of riding.
I'll admit that when I went from having nothing but cable clutch motorcycles/ Harleys to the 19' Electra Glide Standard FLHT with a hydraulic clutch. The artificial feel of the hydraulic clutch was definitely weird for me at first but I grew to love it and the fact it's always consistently the same. Doesn't get spongy when struck in traffic. I feel like it would be weird to go back to cable clutch.
As a former Motor Officer who rode the 2009 Police Electra Glide, I don't mind the hydraulic clutch. It did take a little time to learn the new friction zone.
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Thanks for your service in the blue and your informative videos.
I was underwhelmed with the reveal. Too much marketing and not enough substance, the story stuff didn't interest me. Too much focus on the CVO's and not enough improvements to the standard bikes. I also don't like losing the hydraulic clutch, feels like a step backwards as I loved the hydro clutch on my 2016 Road Glide. They didn't show anything which makes me want to go out and buy a brand new Harley unfortunately.
So true, I prefer substance, real world stats over Hollywood fluff productions. Well put.
I just sold my 2019 CVO Limited. When I seen the 2021 CVO Limited ( I liked the hydraulic clutch) I was not impressed.
Have fun with that. The bronze armor in on order for me.
I totally agree with you on everything! I've owned over 20 new Harleys in the past and many CVO bikes,,, my favorite being the 2007 FXSTSSE! A beautiful springer with the 110" and besides being a little nose heavy, it was so fun to ride and drive around Pa!
Thanks for the great video Ryan. This vid definitely saved me time. You cut cut straight to what I want to know and cut out all the commercial BS
So once again, HD Corp never contacted someone with a bit of visibility.
True
don't like it, buy an Indian or something else. Harley pays their top people hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to tell me what I want and who am I to argue?
Celebrities will always get first crack, with their millions of followers.
@@gfunk63901 That's some backwards logic. Are we supposed to just gladly accept everything the high paid ad execs spoon feed us?
I tired of the HD bullshit and bought a Indian.
I prefer the cable clutch.. For me much easier to manipulate the friction zone during slow maneuvering.
I think it sucks that Harley did not come out with a 2021 Low Rider. It is one of the best looking Harley and a big part of bringing Harley out of the dark AMF days.
They should have asked youtubers like: Million Dollar Bogan, Her 2 Wheels, Blockhead, Shadetree and so on. People who love the brand.
Agreed totally!!
Problem is they seem to be super strict about image usually. Can't be seen with other bikes etc.. I'd love to see Shadetree on the Harley marketing. He could do a whole tinder date mashup on the fxr.
As a CVO owner I have been disappointed each year after buying mine in 2017.
I personally like the hydraulic clutch, don’t get why they would go backwards. Definitely like that they brought back the chrome option for the special. They also have some great color choices this year
The father in the father son clip has a TH-cam channel called 2 lane life.
It was great seeing them on the Harley ad. Even little old me from Australia knew where they were from.
2 Lane Life, a great channel, love it. Grtz from Belgium.
They have a great channel, and for those that don’t know, Lance’s son owns Thrashin Supply who makes a bunch of nice Harley parts.
@@inflatable_elvis_6.722, yep, I'm surprised he was not able to come up with that info... 2lanelife, thrashin supply (some awesome stuff)... come on brother, what kind of police work is that? 😉
Does HD really think the new generation wants to deal with those outdated clutches? My kids are 20 & 21 and are thinking about getting a bike. They don't want a $40k Touring cvo !
The CVO road glide father and son are from 2lanelife on TH-cam. Check them out
great channel
When i first heard about the hydraulic clutch issues a few years ago, i thought they were probably due to the basically air cooled block, there is no controlling wild temperature fluctuations without water jackets, thats why everybody else uses them. In other words, the slave end of the system was probably getting overheated, “boiling” the fluid, causing the issues. I’d bet the problem is a lot more prevalent in Miami than it is in Seattle.
Clutch story and why I think its a good change: I owned a 2014 Fatbob, cable clutch, loved it, it was stolen, I got the money from insurance and decided it was a good time to step up to a 2020 street glide special, after about a week of riding the street glide special I was asking if there was any way to change the clutch because it was way worse than the cable on my Fatbob. The pull was harder and was at the end of travel, far away from the grip, the dealer said no, I was really regretting the purchase, I loved everything about the motorcycle except the clutch, so I looked online the only way to do anything to was to get an adjustable lever (I got the Oberon ones). It took me from trading the motorcycle in and getting a softail to actually enjoying the motorcycle. If it were a cable then, that would not have been an issue at all, I would have just had it adjusted and not thought anything about it. Hydraulic clutches are much harder to pull, IDK why people keep saying they are "easier" they are further away from the grip so you are using your finger tips to pull it, and your hand is much weaker when it is extended, thus making it harder to pull.
I think the Hydraulic clutches suck and kinda wish I had a 2021 instead of a 2020 now, I have a couple thousand miles on the motorcycle now with the new lever so it is not as bad, but having to buy a set of 300 dollar levers to make it enjoyable sucked.
They don't suck on other bikes. Instead of figuring it out, Harley just gave up.
@@shooter-vx7xy Hydraulic clutches do suck on other bikes. We don't need to reinvent good, reliable, engineering.
I love the hydraulic clutch on my 2020 Street Glide Special. My previous bike was a 2018 Sport Glide with a cable clutch and apart from needing a couple of adjustments over the first few thousand miles I had no problem with it. I could roll with either although I do feel that the hydraulic clutch is more premium and the cable clutch is really the cheapest way to get the job done.
not sure I can relate to their promotional celebrities/riders. the fact that so many of us spend thousands in upgrades/changes/options/etc should send a clear message to HD...but I don't think so...it's one thing to "enhance" or "personalize" your bike, it's another to add things for safety, etc. I keep looking at the BMW 1600 bagger...and wonder? Good video R...love all that you do.
Long time Harley owner, just purchased my first Indian.
Had several Harleys but switched to Indian and so far so good.
I made the switch to Indian too and love it. No more Harley tax for me.
I have both Harley and Indian I buy a new one every year depending on who has the best release looks like this year getting a new Indian challenger witch from the factory keeps up with my 131 cvo limited.
You're going to love your Challenger.
Surprised there was no mention of the infotainment screen size for the non special models in 2021.
Good thing I got a 2020.
I think they missed a trick with the Pan America, instead of using the Live Wire in “The Long Way Down” they should of used the Pan Am, that would have been a more realistic option and for us in the real world a more affordable option, who in their right mind is going to tour on a Live Wire 🤷♂️. Great video as always Ryan. Ride safe ✌️
Hi Ryan the father and son clip was Lance from 2lanelife on You tube. They are fantastic guys and they travel all over the USA. certenly keeps me sane in lockdown lol. Enjoy your vlogs too from here in the UK
100% with you about the clutch
The father-son duo is 2LaneLife on TH-cam. They just started about 11 months ago and have a great Channel. I enjoy their videos very much. It is a kind of small channel as compared to some, but I immediately recognized them from TH-cam. The others I did not know who they were. I guess it shows that Harley is looking at some TH-cam creators, but I would like to see Harley interacting with several more creators and Harley people like you and many others.
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I felt there was nothing for the younger audience. The event looked more of a large and everlasting commercial video rather then being an informative one. I know zeist said more harley products are coming up and going to be virtual displayed, but at least they could have said something more about the new custom with the revolution x engine and pan America. The event was more of a long commercial video for road glide cvo and non cvo. They took about 55% of the whole length of this video for 2 models. But the street Bob is really interesting.
You people don’t buy Harley’s they went that marketing route and got very little return.
If there was 1 motorcycle Harley REALLY dropped the ball on it looks like was the BRONX that thing would have appealed to the younger crowd 🤔at least those that might still be interested in riding.😳👍🏼🇺🇸😎
The father/son combo are two of three guys that do the TH-cam Channel 2laneLife. They are based out of SoCal.
That CEO is already screwing up and trying to control what people have to say about their HD.
The CEO has already made 10 lifetimes of income. He will be fine
Getting rid of hydraulic clutch is my biggest issue. Glad I bought the 2019rgs when I did!
Just checked out the 2lanelife channel that a number of guys mention in the comments here. These guys are cool. It's decent with some really nice ride out video's and again decent quality and editing. Best of all the content is free so no TH-cam tax 👍😀
I have messed with the street bob since they took away the tachometer for this digital version. My only complaint is that its probably 2.5 inches too small, really it needs to double in size. The other complaint it should be brighter, or have an on board adjustment to tune brightness settings. It does work and its cool but too small.
1. virtual launch was fine
2. trying to convince us that they heard our cries for:
a cable clutch
one fob
HD only tuners
... it's just sad they think we're that stupid
Don’t for get two tone paint lol
Thanks for all the new updates I like your shows and keep up the great work
1Thanks so much Darrell
Every year that new Harleys come out I get happier with my Kawasaki Vaquero; Comes standard with hydraulic clutch, cruise control, linked brakes and ABS, for less than $13,000 BRAND NEW
As a CVO owner I like the new colors , there were some nice color changes for 2021
I have an 06 Road King Classic and love the feel of my cable clutch ... for the first 1,000 miles after I adjust it. Yes, I know I cannot fan out the friction zone on hydraulic the way that I can on cable, but I’d be willing to adapt for the benefit of a consistent clutch.
The Father son scene in H-D video is from the two lane life TH-cam channels. Lance with his buddy Gaylin puts serious miles down every week and film it. I think they represent what the freedom of a Harley trip is about. Just like your documentaries you do
You are correct in saying Harley Davidson is not in touch with it's clientele. The fact that they dropped the hydraulic clutch is not a surprise. I would guess there are 3 or 4 brilliant minds, who probably don't even ride, making these decisions. Ryan, I find your videos insightful. Harley would be smart to enlist you as one of their representatives to help turn things around for them. Then and maybe then we might get a motorcycle for true bikers.
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I've had cable and hydraulic clutches; on all old, Japanese bikes. Less trouble out of the hydraulic ones (had a broken cable on the way to work once that was a hassle), but riding impression from one to the other is a toss-up. As long as you do hydro right it's fine, as long as you do cable right it's fine.
Finesse for a Gymkhana type of cone-work thing I can definitely see the value in a more consistent feel out of the hydro for sure; but for me just knockin' around it really doesn't matter.
At the same time, the CVO's are ... not cheap; and a cable just seems... cheap.
exactly
Idk I rode sport bikes and the sportster harley made, I personally from riding the 19 street glide, I feel the cable is more consistent and more reliable, plus less money if needing to be fixed, I have had so many issues with my hydraulic where it like more stiff then the stage clutches with cable. Most rides I've gone on and people tried my clutch where absolutely shocked how stiff it is for factory
@@434srt90 Cable clutch is SUPER cheap to fix for sure. The one I broke was like $15 :D If I ever toured with it I would have probably brought a spare.
I appreciate you being so indepth, it would be easy to overlook the cable clutch rewind
Hey Ryan - I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff and I really like your videos. I wish the S.O. I retired from would have had a motorcycle patrol because I would have definitely been a part of it. I've been riding since I was about 12 years old, and I love motorcycles. I've bought 6 Harley's since 2009. You are "Spot on" with your Harley info; I really like your channel, and the very informative information you have is GREAT!! KUDO'S FORM A BROTHER IN BLUE!!
Thanks so much. Stat safe out there!!
Ryan, great info and I agree, no marketing connection whatsoever!
Thanks 4 the info Ryan, keep up the good work ✌😎
U betcha. Thanks for the shout out!
I ride both cable clutch on my police Road King and hydraulic on my 2019 Road Glide I don’t see the difference on a slow cone Maneuvering
Yup, you should be able to ride both the same. 👍
All they talked about was paint and Stereos
No mention about if they finally started welding their crankshafts correctly instead of just pressing them together or if they finally put the Timken bearing back in.
I like the cable clutch due to the fact you have more control in the friction zone in maneuvers and turns .
The dad on the father/son segment is part of the 2LaneLIve youtube channel. These guys ride all over the country and do free videos of their travels. That one and the woman are the only two that made sense to me. It was interesting to hear the HD employees talk about the bikes from their perspective since they are the ones doing the designs. As always, great video, thanks for all the hard work to make this content for us all.
Lance and his son, Lance Jr. along with many others rode from their homes in Southern CA to the Harley Museum in Milwaukee via Route 66 to Chicago. They made a video of the museum and had special tour options to film the museum. If you haven't seen seen it, you should take a look. This is probably why they got a spot in the vid of the rollout. Just saying. These guys are genuine!! Check them out --- 2LaneLife
I agree on the hydraulic clutch. So I'm keeping my '15 Street Glide Special! Oh, and did I mention I still miss the Dyna's?
CVO increased in price for Australia !!!56 k AUD !! The muppets ! I told my dealer i wont buy a CVO unless it comes with Hydro clutch @!!
Have 2019 hydraulic clutch. Have arthritis but like it better. Been watching Jerry Paladino, don't use clutch- practice. Also put on intake and DK exhaust. No tuner is needed, they are correct everyone else is wrong. On older harley yes you need a tune. Watch their dyno runs with and without tunner.
I heard that in 2022 a hydraulic clutch is going to be a 500 dollar upgrade lol.
What about the aircleaner, fuel cap and engine guard ?
Thanx, Ryan. I agree. I little too much fluff for me. Yeah, I also didn’t get momoa standing in front of his Christmas tree. I like the fact that h-d is giving customers the choice of black or chrome on the specials.
Can’t wait for your sturgis vid.
Have a great weekend. 🇺🇸
Rock on brother!!
I put the Mueller power slave clutch on my hydraulic clutch and it is great for reduction of pull force and keeps friction zone in place for slow maneuvers. Before the Mueller I used the soft brake reduced reach clutch lever and it helped. I have friends with the AIM slave cylinder and they are happy with that.
I don't think all that stuff is going to convince me on my next motorcycle purchase to be Harley or Indian.
But that new Goldwing with the DCT transmission and flat 6 is looking nice when you compare what bang you get for the buck.
I can agree with that statement - I own a DCT Tour and an Ultra Limited. I still like the UL, but the Goldwing is awesome. They both have their pros and cons though. If buying a bike today, I’d take a long hard look at the ‘21 Goldwing, either DCT or 6 MT.
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I had the opportunity a few years ago to get a Goldwing F6-B and I held off because I didn't like the way the saddlebags opened sideways.
@@michiganborn8303 They still haven't changed that. I agree that side opening bags are a PITA - it helps to use the soft bag liners - they contain your stuff without letting it spill all over the pavement.
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I was wondering what people were using to keep the spillage from happening..
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Was the bag design the only con?
@@michiganborn8303 Not really and it would take up too much space here to list everything, pro or con, between both bikes. I should do a video on it all. I would say the cons are really just a matter of getting used to a different bike - nothing I would list as a con is a show stopper. Go test ride one - if you can find one - and see for yourself. It did take me 3 test rides to finally decide and I am not at all unhappy with my purchase.
Basically an overly long commercial with as little technical information as possible and some celebrity endorsements. Frankly I couldn’t care less what Aquaman thinks or likes. On the plus side some nice paint.
I’m with ya on aftermarket 👍. Still trying to figure out why H-D went backwards to cable clutch control
Cut costs, i doubt what some say is true!! They stated customers didnt care either way!!
Because the cable is adjustable and the hydraulic sucks and you cant adjust it, ether you like it with the friction zone at the end of travel or hate it, many riders including me, hated it, I had to buy adjustable levers just to get the friction zone close to the grip so I could more easily manage it. I seriously had the conversation with my wife about 200 miles into owning a 2020 Street Glide Special about trading it in for a softail that had a cable clutch and eating the extra cost of trading in and getting a new bike. The Oberon levers I found online via Jerry “Motorman” Palladino's recommendation on them saved me from doing that. I still wish I could have just adjusted the clutch and not had to spend 300 dollars on levers.
I prefer hydraulic clutch
I prefer the hydro clutch. They probably cut it as a cost saving measure.
@@Evirthewarrior, if you are using the clutch next to the grip, you are using it wrong.
Well done on this video on 2021 Harley's.
As far as the people in the virtual event goes, I don’t need anyone so that I can connect with to make me want to buy another Harley, the bike speak for themselves & that’s all I’m interested in. Better, stronger, safer is all I need to want another one, just my two cents. Great info RU!
Harley wants to connect with people who can afford to buy new . I am a blue collar worker with a mortgage and a family and there is no way a new Harley is in my budget. I ride an 11 ultra limited I purchased 3 years ago because it was in my price range. I love my Harley but I will not take a second mortgage out to buy a new one.
I don't see how they cost so much, its not even close to other brands, even a new bmw seems cheap in comparison lol, I been wanting a s1000r for a while, they just made a new zx10r you could get both for the price of some of these Harleys, over 360hp between two bikes or 100hp for the same money
The Certified Pre-owned program is for the core following - this was aimed at the status conscious people that pay full price for a Harley. That is the new Harley - buy a lifestyle.
Why is Deadwood Green Demin, on the SGS not shown on the website? Also the Deadwood Green/Black Ultra Limited is also not on the website. Why is that?
I'm onboard with the cable clutch.
I don't get the chrome specials though? Why not just offer the 114 as an option on the Standard RG/SG.
I have zero desire to trade my 2020 RGS though.
2LANELIFE, as someone so involved in Harley community, I can’t believe you didn’t know who lance and lance Coury are. Thrashin supply and 2LaneLife . Search them
Bought a 2019 tri glide. I found out after purchase no tool kit anymore. Then in 2020 they really started deleting things on the tri glide with no compensation on price. I now have a 2020 cvo trike and this will b my last HD. No hydraulic clutch is a deal killer for me. You pay for a premium bike not a stripped bike, oh and don’t get me started on there Bluetooth HD only “ransom” on the headsets along with having to buy a module for Bluetooth! Really? It’s 2021 and Bluetooth is a option except cvo!
Losing my interest and desire to by anything from H.D. after 40 years of proud ownership of Harley bikes . They have lost the most important elements to me is the soul and mystique. Chasing quarterly earnings they lost their way . They can’t go forever , closing over 50 dealerships and customer base . Thanks Harley great marketing plan .
@@mikehouse68 at least I am not a sucker for fake advertising and getting ripped off by stealership
@@mikehouse68 what a stupid, childish reply. What will Harley do without people like him, and me, and lots of others? They will go out of business, or, more likely, their stock price will drop to such a low level that they will become a take over target for venture capitalists from a little place called CHINA. Yeah, I could see Jack Ma (Alibaba CEO) the CEO of HD one day. Seriously.
Businesses used to be local and serve a niche purpose... Harley in the pursuit of gold... Has become anything and everything. They lost their focus in my opinion... They are a Marketing Driven Company... not an engineering or innovation company.
Harley puts heavy stock into woke.. College trained people... I bet the minimum to get an office job is a bachelor's degree... and that they get sensitivity training... I bet the engineers only get to reverse engineer and have huge cost savings projects.
These are my opinions on why I think They will never be great again.
@@ryanwalters3170 agreed
@@mikehouse68 Go to your room and think about what you just said,and when you come out maybe you can behave. So go to your room and shut up.
need help ! bought 2021 road king classic , changed 16 inch handlebar on it end have no idea which clutch cable i should buy .... maby someone knows which clutch cable gonna feet on bike ? thank you !
I was planning on buying a 2021 Glide but not this year with the cable clutch,
being a 2017 road king owner chrome and silver 107 . seeing 114 is nice black out no way . there still not even putting led headlight in them . and the fact they took the old school turn signals away i so happy with mine .
The hydraulic clutch is great when you change the master cylinder. I felt my 2018 ultra the clutch was a bit stiffer than the cable. The friction zone was at the end travel and very small. I ended up getting adjustable levers. Enter AIM hydraulic master cylinder, my 2020 ultra now feels like I always thought a hydraulic clutch should feel, lighter and the friction zone is pretty well where my 2009 ultra with a clutch cable had.
Thanks for the info with law enforcement clutch needs makes sense for a hydraulic clutch system with self adjustment etc. now I feel Harley went backwards.
I was disappointed that H-D went with a cable instead of the hydraulic clutch on the 2021 models. On the 2021 Limited and other Touring Models, H-D eliminated the heal shifter, and the fairing vent open/close flap.
Yep. I have a 2015 and just made a comment a few minutes ago about how I feel like my 6 year old bike is nicer than the new ones.
That happened in 2020 or before. They also come with one key fob instead of two.
Edit: softails too, and even sooner. I had to add a heel shifter to my 2019 Heritage, while my 2016 Fat Boy S and 2011 Fat Boy came with them.
2 Lane Life is a great channel with some very laid back individuals. Ryan, it'd be cool to see you do a collab with those guys.
GREAT IDEA!!
I thought the online launch of the 2021 models was a bit limp but as you said it did include an invite to us Harley riders. Bikes I'm a chrome man from way back! The new 114 street bob is very tempting.
I am pro cable clutch. I see your point about hand fatigue in training, but most of us don't do that. It may be that I am stuck in my ways and am comfortable adjusting the cable to exactly where I want it.
Will it hurt the bike if I tuned a 2 into 1 into 2 tune into a dresser true dual exhaust
The father son combo actually do a lot in the harley world. The son owns Thrashin Supply and the Father operates the highway men TH-cam channel.
Yes. Lance from 2LaneLife. They do a bunch of cool rides on that channel.
They put together some great ride vids, very good moto vloggers, better then most around. They are not cheesy like a lot of vloggers. As mentioned, they are part of Thrashin Supply, selling products they he developed instead of schlepping other’s products.
And their TH-cam channel stands a better chance at creating new Harley riders than this one... js
@@jweavejo1 Seriously your butt hurt because Ryan doesn’t know them I intimately? Mate maybe listen to a few LAB podcasts, oh, and grow up!
@@whitey25817 Ryan made the comment that he didn’t see how any of those guests other than the girl that camps could bring more people to Harley. 2 Lane Life guys have a great channel and have probably inspired many to ride. Also, I have a paid subscription to the Law abiding biker videos. So really looks like you’re the only one that’s butt hurt. Hahaha!
I like to be able to adjust the friction zone in a cable clutch... the hydraulic was grabbing at the end and couldn’t be adjusted..
I have never had an problem with cable clutch. I have a 2018 FLHX with hydraulic clutch. It is the worst clutch feel I can remember in over 50 years of riding. I have tried the adjustable levers and the rebent Softbrake levers. They did help but still don't cut it.
Lots of good information to know! As far as cable clutch goes...it will somewhat difficult for some that have arthritis setting in. Tough sell for HD and Indian. Thank you for this information.
I like your channel. I ride a 2020 Indian Roadmaster but I appreciate all bikes.
I generally agree with you.
My question is, how can the moco continue to offer a touring line void of features like power windshields and ride modes? Literally every other major player in the touring segment offers these features and as standard equipment for the same or lower price point.
I can say, personally , as a traveler , these are valuable features . By the way, I dont have a problem with the cable clutch , my Indian also has one. I thought it strange Indian would do that on a premium bike but I have had no issues.
Thanks for the comments
Is it possible the MOCO started using the softail engine/transmission set up in the tour line? Due to previous issues regarding fluid migration & sumping tour bikes had, but wasnt happening as often with softails? It would also make sense from a production standpoint to just use one engine/transmission set up instead of two. Just wondering out loud .
Cable clutch on my 05 Ultra...hydraulic on the 2018 Limuted. Got stuck in heavy traffic on the first long ride with the hydraulic. Forearm got fatigued with the friction zone being so far out...
Ordered OBERON levers when I got home. Those adjustable levers did the trick.
At a riding class the MOTOR teaching advised that every time you ride with adjustable levers you should adjust them all the way out and squeeze the clutch in 8-10 times and then return it to your setting for comfort.
The only issue I found is that the adjustable levers, when adjusted closer to the bars, do not engage the neutral safety switch so you cannot start the bike while it is in gear with the clutch pulled in.
Overall the adjustable levers work well for me!
Thanks Ryan always the best most informative source for Harley
I heard the only reason for the return to cable clutch was to solve the transmission to primary oil transfer.
I'm wondering why HD made a non - adjustable clutch cable.
So they can sell you more parts and service down the road.
You adjust the clutch inside the derby cover.
I enjoyed your video. I would like to know as a motorcycle instructor have you ever tried a Honda Goldwing with a DCT transmission on your course? If so what is your opinion between manual versus automatic. Thanks
So glad I bought my 2019 CVO Street Glide when I did. I had waited until the release of the 2020 CVO models and I saw they had removed the fairing lowers and speakers. Having just recently made a trip the the Smoky Mountains on my 06 Fat Boy with my buddies who were on Ultra Limiteds, and we got caught in rain several times, I decided I wanted those fairing lowers on my next bike. So I immediately checked several of my local dealers here in Houston for any "new" 2019 CVO SGs, and found what I was looking for. Ended up buying a new (3 miles on the odometer) 2019 CVO SG three days after the delivery of the 2020 models. I paid $5000 less but got those CVO color matched fairing lowers with the Stage II speakers, the heal shifter, two key FOBs and retained the capability to close the fairing vent, all of which were missing on the 2020s. Now the 2021 model also loses the hydraulic clutch, after market tuner connectivity, and possibly the SiriusXM module, with still no price reduction. They really should brand these new ones CVO Lite. To be fair, my 2019 is missing the RDRS option the 2020/2021 models have. But I am good with still having the linked braking with ABS. And, I'll have to check out to see if the new 100 Watts per channel four speaker Rockford Fosgate setup is noticeably improved over my 150 Watts per channel six speaker Boom Audio setup. Still, I feel my 2019 is holding good value when compared to these two newer year models. I know I would feel shorted to pay these prices today and be missing that many features that previous year models had.
Ryan, love your review, how-to, and documentary videos. When not out riding, this is the kind of "reality TV" I prefer to watch. Keep up the good work.
Thanks so much!!
I definitely like the orange and the orange and black paint scheme. as for the clutch, I've had both and prefer the hydraulic clutch. but, its the same ol HD. lets put a bigger price tag on the bikes and take more away. cheers!
Some complaints about the hydraulic clutch lever is that the friction point is too far out and can not be adjusted. For me the hydraulic clutch lever is fine and I like it more than a cable clutch.
I love my hydraulic clutches smoothness but hate it's friction zone location. I bought some Oberon levers and now have the best of both worlds.
Yup
1962egl - I just picked up a new (previous model year) 2019 Road Glide Ultra last fall. First experience with a Harley hydraulic clutch. I’ve been riding 35 years, and felt like a rookie, because of the friction zone situation. And I’m not new to hydraulic clutches. My ‘85 Honda V45 Magna I’ve had since new (my second bike ever), and the ‘84 Gold Wing Aspencade I rode for 7 or 8 years, before buying my first Harley, have/had hydraulic clutches. Smooth as silk. But I find the H-D hydraulic clutch is touchy as hell. Can you explain how the Oberon levers helped?
@@kato64 they are adjustable. Instead of the friction zone being at the end of the travel I can move it to right off the grip. Day and night for slow maneuvers
@@1962egl - I didn’t realize that. I only had it a little over a month before the riding season ended around here, so am still getting to know the bike. I’ll have to look at that come spring. Thanks for the info.
I just went to the HD Website. XG Models are gone. Only 3 XL Models left. Low Rider 107 gone.
I, for one, really enjoyed the event. The objective of the event was to seemingly reestablish Harley's roots in the road and the ride. Every person they featured was someone for whom the road provides a degree of peace, escape, energy, excitement, community, and adventure. This is the promise of Harley, and benefits it hopes will re-attract new and lapsed consumers to the brand. I was impressed with how singularly focused their message was, and how beautifully they featured their products. This wasn't meant to be a tech spec event, it was meant to be a fashion show. I'm a 38y/o new rider, 4yrs riding, and have fallen head over heels for Harley (Ride: 2020 FXLRS). Whatever they've been doing, it's worked on me. And as a new rider, it's kind of frustrating how older riders/people with a lot of experience with the brand do nothing by bad mouth and complain about corporate, marketing, and branding. Why not root for the brand? Why not support what it's trying to do? It's made some mis-steps, sure, but what brand hasn't? For an American brand to have lasted this long, in this market, is a true testament to the strength of Harley, its culture, and its community. And I am forever proud to be a part of it.
Was not into the black out look nice to see chrome option took me a few years to warm up to the hydro clutch cost cut move going to cable IMO. I do think it will get some support tho. Still in love with my 14. Aftermarket tuner will catch up quick no worries there. We waited for power vision support when I got my 14 street glide. The social media strategy has been baffling.
Fantastic that HD went back to a cable clutch!!!! The hydraulic clutch engagement point/gray area was way too far out on the clutch lever. It was not adjustable without aftermarket parts.. Great job HD!!!
The only thing that comes to mind to have cable clutch over hydraulic is the cost to change handlebar system to taller ones. Other than that. Hydraulic clutch will always be better.
I have never had a hydro clutch. I just went from a 2010 Heritage to a 2021 Tri Glide Ultra. Still under break in miles. I don't know the difference so I am cool with the cable.