Mhairi Black and Chris Philp on pensions for women
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.พ. 2016
- The SNP MP Mhairi Black, who sits on the Work and pensions select committee, and Conservative MP Chris Philp a member of the Treasury select committee talk about the challenges facing women planning to retire. .
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My pension was put back six years. The first I knew about it was two years prior to the contracted retirement age.
18 months delay?????? It's 6 years????? With no warning!!!
7 years for me.
What's this crap about 18 months longer to wait before receiving state pension?? I was born in 1955 and expected to retire at 60 but now have to wait until I'm 66 = 6 years of money stolen from me, 6 years of job centre stress, 6 years of insecurity, 6 years of no bus pass or any anticipated perks of retirement :(
Ruth Hawe wronged!
It's disgusting x
Yes he doesnt know what he is talking abiut i had to wait till age 66 to get my pension . Guess what mate thats no 18 months late its 6 years.
I love Mhairi Black. Fights her corner so well.
+Luke Harris How heartening it is for the Glasgow ned community,to have one of their own representing them in Parliament!
Andrew Pollock F**k yeah man! take that lying tory bastards, a real person from the ends tearing shit up!
so much hate and vitriol. And lies, mainly lies.
Is this five year old with a tantrum monday again?
where is there anti english?
Are you confusing wanting to have control over their own taxes, so they can use what they raise in taxes.
Its that isnt it.
youre confused.
You just need another hit from The Sun and The Mail to make the nasty men who care about decency and civilisation to go away.
Always hate.
Everything can be solved with hate and lies.
Lol @ your name btw hahahahaha numpty.
It's Scottish NATIONAL Party, not NATIONALIST. Funnily enough, given UKIP and more than half the Torys have tunnelvision nationalistic rhetoric, and used jingoistic erroneous information to back a Brexit campaign and attempt to block a Scottish referendum - I think it's fair to say England has its own Nationalist parties.
shes fighting OUR corner
I was born in 1954 and I did NOT received any letters in either 2009 or 2012......I heard by word of mouth!!!
Same here
Same here and I didn't either it's a disgrace.
Go Mhairi!
I bet philp won't have a problem with his taxpayers funded pension.
You know the state pension for the working man is also tax payers money
He talks bollocks, 18 months is crap Chris Philp. CRAP as mine has gone up 6 years not a few months.
7 years for me.
3 years lost pension = £18,610 plus compound interest! It will take 10 years of payments of the increase to get to £18,902 so the increase in no way makes up for the loss!! The ex Chancellor said that the change in pension ages was the biggest saving of all the government plans!!!!!!
Mhairi Queen of Scotts. National leader in waiting...
I do hope so
The lady’s supremely confident in her self belief on the subject at hand. Very gifted.
Wonder what Chris Philips pension is going to be!! What a smarmy man
I have never ever had a letter and I have been affected. 4 years then another 2 for good measure to 66.. Not good enough, after working 50 years
I am 65 in Dec. NO I WASN'T TOLD THAT MY PENSION WAS GOING UP TO AGE 66. !!! IT'S A DISGRACE! ! My husband had to retire at 55 because of ill health. My son who is Autistic was denied points to get him any benefit for his disability. He is now almost 42. My husband has had to keep him until 2 years ago . We went to Crown Court and they gave him his very first PIP. I have had bad health for years and my benefit was stopped in 2013. I HAVE NO MONEY AT ALL AND THE GOV STOLE MY PENSION that would have helped us when I was 60. This has been very CRUEL. I REGRET LEAVING MY CHILDREN TO GO TO WORK. I WAS VERY DIFFICULT GETTING THEM READY EARLY FOR SCHOOL AND THEN WALKING OR USING PUBLIC TRANSPORT. HOW OUTRAGEOUS STEELING OUR PENSION. THERE IS MONEY TO PAY US ALL BACK. THERE IS NO DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY SADLY LEFT. WHY SHOULD ANY ONE VOTE ? AND FOR WHOM ? THE HOUSE OF COMMONS HAS FALLEN APART. WHEN YOU ROB YOUR OWN PEOPLE IT'S TIME TO PACK UP AND LOCK THE DOORS.
How are you supposed to have an issue like this debated in 7 minutes? "Sorry we are out of time"... WELL THAN MAKE TIME, it's your damn program!
well done mhairi black we have been robbed
This is a joke telling Lies I am waiting 6 YEARS yes 6 YEARS. NOT 18 MONTHS don't know where they are getting this 18 month. Born 1955 retire 66
Chris Philp, you need to get your facts right, NO ONE was notified about the 1995 change, I was notified 2 years before i was supposed to retire at 60. Fed up of hearing this, only having to wait 18 months rubbish, No we don't it's 6 years. SHAME ON YOU ALL
7 years and I never got one single letter at all.
He is my mp I told him this but he refuses to listen
Take on board her message, don't attack the messenger, that is irrelevant!
i do like mhairi black. i think it'd be nice if people who share similar ideas as her who aren't her got a little less scorn / a little more attention off the mainstream media but i understand that she's got a bit of momentum behind her at the minute. her heart's in the right place, i agree with a her on quite a lot and she's obviously a real natural speaker, great way with words. BUT ... i'm not really sure i'm ready to believe she'll amount to anything exciting. that's not a diss on her so much as a diss on our whole political system ... i'd LOVE to be proven wrong but i just can't imagine a world in which a bright spark doesn't get ground down or sidelined in one way or another over the course of their career. i'd love to be proven wrong, though.
Disgusting. Now it is 67. Thanks Mhairi for speaking up.
Absolute nonsense coming from the mouth of Chris as always!
I waited THREE YEARS!! AND I was only sent a letter in 2012 - ONE year before my 60th !!!!!!!!
Me too!!
Absolutely disgusting. I'm sorry and raging to hear about this over and over again.
Justice
OK why does he look like a Disney villain I just can't lol
What Chris Philps needs to remember(with his paltry excuse of women being better off by £416 per year) is that women were often working while raising their children, which is an almost impossible task. The financial brunt was then given to husbands, of which their careers carried the family, whereas "women's work" wasn't recognised. We need to bear this past in mind when we're talking about women born in the fifties of retirement age. They've worked/raised children without any thanks given in return from the government, and I think it's childish and disgusting behaviour.
Yeah, the women affected would have been born in the 1950s. For most of these old women when you got married you gave up your work career and became a housewife looking after the house and children whilst the husband went out to work. They might have at best 10 years of NI stamps which if my memory isn't hazy is about £52 a week on the new state pension. That is £25 a week less than someone on unemployment benefit.
I never received any letters from Dwp re state pension age change! I applied for a pension statement and couldn't believe I've now got to wait 6 long years before I get it!! Historically women didn't have equal rights opportunities or equal pay back in 60s 70s etc and millions of us were in low paid jobs and even worse work conditions than today! Statistically men have earned more than women and had more opportunities to save! No-one seems to understand that! Also poorer women who are disabled or ill should be allowed to take our pension at 60years.
My late mother got the pension at the age of 60 and "enjoyed" her pension for 11 years. If she had been forced to wait until the age of 66 she would barely have had 5 years of pension money. My late mother was ill for 21 years and was on Disability benefits before she got the pension. My late mother was a frail elderly lady who needed help getting dressed and washed and fed and couldn't get up if she fell over without help. These people in the government if they had got their way would have declared her fit for work even though she could barely walk a few feet without being out of breath.
By the way my late mother was a nurse by trade and she worked from the moment she left school until the day she married my dad in 1972. She had maybes 17 years at most NI stamps. Once she was married she never worked another day in her life as she was too busy raising me. She was going to return to work as I was about to leave school but then ill health hit.
I'm 64 and to this day have NEVER had a letter to say I could no longer retire at 60!!! Politicians can retire at 60, one rule for them and another for us!!! They've never done a proper days work in their lives, all born with the proverbial silver spoon in therir Gob!!! Mhairi Black for Prime minister, get that toffee nosed rat T May Gone, snooty prat !!!
Pension credit does not rely on NI contribs.
Pension credit is only paid to people who received their pensions before 2016 or do not have full contribution record. We now get the "New State Pension" which is a little more but does not give the help Pension Credit would - ie warm home discount, help with health costs.
An interrupting and biased mediator, shame.
we all know what mick Lynch thinks about Chris Phillips, don't we ?.
Absolutely disgraceful. I have to work another 7 years in a heavy physical job and will have worked 51 years .I dont think I'll be able to do this for much longer but have no choice as I'm on my own
67 for me.
pension credit is good thing
Chris Philip has zero credibility, every time he speaks he does it with such disdain for the people of the UK
"Only Fools and Horses" street market trader type argument from Chris Philp. Please! By stating that the concessions have already been made is like quoting an excessive price for a dodgy item for sale and then lowering the price so as to make a profit while conning the customer into thinking they have got a bargain. These are Dell boy tactics parroted by Mr Philp and as such are not honest and transparent. Just a way of dodging the issue in a rather schoolboyish manner. LOL
Oh ch4 hate the fact its the Scottish National Party fighting to protect UK folks !
+Margo Macdonald Although Chris Philp seemed to think Mhairi represented Labour, shows how clued up he is.
clyne day
Ouch... missed that for pulling my hair out...lol...wish me well Clyne,i'm going back in ;]
Chris Philp taking a load of BS.
When equality sucks
Im 71 now and I lost one year and nine months worth of pension without being informed of any change, and was expecting to retire at 60. I have worked and paid in for 45 years. I have been robbed of the pension i paid into. Its a disgrace.
Wife born 1960 April 10th seems 5 days short of being eligible to claim even
I knew about the 1995 act was told pension due july 2016 so planned accordingly. Then in 2012 february told no you wait to november 2018 until you are 65. I was born november 1953 my friend born end of April same year got her pension may 2016 2 and half years before me.
It is worse for me than this lot.
Mhairi is top knotch!! that 62 year old is fresh enough man! She should still be working no?
UK pension age needs to come down, UK government has got this wrong!!! Time to get rid of the royal family and the government it’s over for them!!
Would have been funny if when Chris said the change was about equality, Mhairi had ask him whether the men's pension age should have been reduced to 60, inline with women. No doubt he would have said that would be too expensive. Equality for men but if it's too expensive, then no equality basically.
No one knew!!
born 1961 so have to be 67 before claim pension credit.
Pension credit is only available to those who received their pension before 2016. I was born in 53 and recently got the "new state pension" which gives me about £1 per week more, but no Pension credit ie - no help with health costs, no Warm Home Discount, no capped water bills...........
Who is fixing the pension equality that men suffered?
Chris Philp...waste of space!
Waiting from 60-66 is 6 years.
Do the maths!
If you took out an insurance...and then they said sorry u won't be getting this payment when you should have a solicitor would be required to sort it. Mhairi Black agrees. This age group signed regarding this...years ago. Many have paid in 40 plus years. A lot of money not paid here.
Some women by birth date alone...just a month or so apart...have to wait sooo much longer. How is that fair???
Men would be sorting things out if it happened to them 4 sure!
67 for me!
Chris Philip Got Wrecked
Chris Philp got constantly interrupted and denied the chance to put across his argument by an obviously biased mediator.
+Gregor Faulds he had fuck all to say
+barfyman362 He got interrupted when in the middle of saying that there was adequate notice provided, and then every time he tried to bring this point up. Basically any of Mhairi Black's arguments that he was trying to contest was interrupted by the mediator. Also, whilst I don't agree with his politics, it doesn't matter if he "had fuck all to say" he deserves equal opportunity to put his point across.
Tory just got destroyed.
they stole 7 yrs pension off British women 78 k each we lost , we want this money back
Women demand equality, get given equality, complain it's unfair, so equality is not what they want then. Women have paid five years less in contributions, and got five years more in payouts than men, and somehow that is not discrimination,
Women paid in over 40 years not 5
Ben Pearse - its still unethicak & wrong
Always women suffering as usual .
People talk too much
I love Mhairi Black, but she's wrong. I knew this was going to happen; my mother knew this was going to happen even though it wouldn't affect her (it would me).Now, yes if people didn't get their letters that is not good but I remember very clearly the news and TV talking about this for years in the 90s. AND, I remember very clearly, I believe it was 1990, may have been 1989, receiving a letter about the whole issue of pensions and the right to opt out of the state pension etc. Part of the whole discussion on pensions at the time - especially relating to women and state pensions - was the increase in pension age for women and how the private pensions would work for these women who would be affected. So while I admire Mhairi Black and her passion and support of women, there really can't be THAT many women who didn't know about the eventual changes; what's more likely is these women weren't paying attention and didn't realize WHEN it was going to happen. Life takes over and it's easy to lose track of time. Also, if women are separated or divorced, how much will they have lost that way and then were hoping that their state pension would cover them but finding it won't...I don't know what the pensions are like right now but I remember many years ago that women were ALWAYS paid less than men so the argument that this is about equality is bogus because while women gained their pensions earlier than men they were also paid less.
+Ben Pearse
You could not be more wrong. Do you live in the UK because you seem remarkably uninformed?
+Ben Pearse Do you live in the UK because it is apparent that you are not well informed?
+Ben Pearse "argument about equality is bogus because ...women...were paid less" Your facts are bogus. My mother received exactly the same pension as my father. My sister receives exactly the same pension as I do. The only women who received less were those who opted to pay less contributions. Those who paid the same contributions for the same length of time received the same pension.
clyne day I disagree. I worked in a post office (many years ago) and the women ALWAYS collect less STATE pension than the men unless she was a widow. There was no 'opted to pay less contributions' when my grandparents worked, or when my own parents began working.
However, I accept that times changed and I am out of touch in what is happening now (or even in the last 10+ years).
starlightlake So, the fact that I stated VERY CLEARLY that I KNEW this was going to happen back in the early 90s didn't give you a clue that - at the time - I was in the UK?...Or the fact that I stated VERY CLEARLY that this change WOULD affect me...
You are such an able woman, go and work pls
Rude man.
I trust successful entrepreneur Chris Philp far more than I would Mhari Black, who has zero business experience.
Dendiol you don't need business experience to render people's life easy!