IMO it's Alastor's power that the technicality that makes him an Overlord. Vaggie's description of him did mention his useage of the radio, but since it focused more on his sheer power it suggests the power is his most important trait, not a monopoly on radio industry.
I could as see him having a monopoly simply because new generations don't want it. Due of the rise of television and then computers and the internet the radio is not as far reaching has it had once been
From what a friend and i research, Alastor is, an insulte given to certain god or the grand executioner of Lucifer, having the capacity to kill other demon, this would explain is power to and why he is with charlie in the first place
I feel like it’s less of a monopoly and more along the lines of who he was in his past life and the state of the world when he died in the 1920’s. Alastor is absolutely an Overlord. But he is nowhere near as powerful as the Goetic demons or the leaders of each level of hell. Still one of my favorite characters.
I think its neither actually if vizzie pop said that overlords consist of earth born sinners maybe alastors power is considered higher than a overlord but he technicly can’t be a prince. That would explain why she said technicly
I'd like to imagine that its both IE the overlords he had stepped over were in the radio industry and he broadcast is killing of them which net him the rank of overlord
I wonder if there's any resentment between the sinners and the hellborns. For the hellborns, especially those living in the Pride Ring, Hell is their home turf and yet they're ranked lower than human souls. And for the sinners, they're trapped in the Pride Ring to be slaughtered by the Exorcists while hellborns can go wherever they want in the rings.
@@thesupernaturalhouse If that were true Verosika's song in Spring Breakers would have been normal and wouldn't have had some sort of ability to cause extreme lust in her audience
@@AndromedaNull well, maybe demons born in certain rings have some powers, such as if your born in the last ring your more..... appealing? To humans s3xually If your born in the pride ring your more brave, etc
@@thesupernaturalhouse Honestly as I see it some demons could have powers like Verosika's kind the succubi having a power similar to sirens considering her song was luring in her prey(her audience) making them feel whatever emotion she wanted them to feel which would be lust in this example
We only see very small glimpses of Charlie’s angelic power, and that is she can sense the good and evil in people. Such as in the prequel comic Charlie wants to try talking to Angel because she sensed something from him specifically that was different from other demons. And when Vaggie asks if she was sure he was someone they wanted to talk to, Charlie just smiles and says “He’s good, I can tell.” Also in the pilot Charlie does smile when Pentious shows up almost as though sensing there was a good person in him as well. Both of these moments are vague and don’t really prove that Charlie anything beyond how naive she can be. In the C.H.E.R.U.B episode we do see the Cherubs are able to bless and heal people. Due to her own angelic abilities Charlie might be shown as able to sooth pain or ease nightmares.
@@wuzfang That may need to be done with Angel when he actually does start to go clean off drugs. Cause withdrawal from PCP has some very nasty stuff happen. The more short-term issues are things like headaches, irritability, anxiety disorders, and seizure episodes. And those start occurring within eight hours of abstaining from the drugs. The more long-term issues are mood swings, depression, sleep disturbances. So they will have a very sick spider on their hands, and even if he gets over that there is still at least thirty years of trauma at Valentino's hands that will torment him for quite some time.
Pretty sure the technicality that made Alastor an overlord simply is, that unlike the other overlords, he does not fight for territory or has countless minions at his command. rather it would seem Alastor is simply an overlord by merit of his soul's dark abilities and he fares through hell more like a wanderer, living where he sees fit, the other overlords allowing it, knowing he in turn won't try and take their territory away.
I completely agree. He is to powerful for the average demon to fight him and a good chunk of overlords as well. The overlords that could fight him on even grounds don't want to risk it. Plus since they can't truly kill each other, do they really want to risk him coming back for revenge every other weak?
I think Alastor is an entropy. He's the "gamma beam" coming out of nowhere roasting everything on his path and meet no bounds when it comes to hierarchy. He destroyed an overlord and is maybe using the literal daughter of Lucifer Magne's goodness and dreams, Charlie, for his own agenda. He cares for nothing, fear nothing, he's seriously way more than just an overlord in my opinion. EDIT: Is it crazy to think he's related somehow to the Magne family? He seems having the same happy evil smile as Lucifer.
I feel like Alastor would more likely answer this with something like "Whatever do you mean, power? Me? What a joke, a right kidney buster!" Then he turns aroubd when nobody is looking at his face and does that fully demonic face as he grins thinking about his full power
I believe that when blitzo mentioned that the nearest ocean was three rings down, he was talking about Leviathan’s ring which would be envy. But that’s just what I think.
@@Fleshi_Guy615 There is one. In episode 7 we see a screen with the names of the rings and their colors: Pride is red Wrath is orange Lust is blue Envy is purple Sloth is pink In another screen we can see the order of the colors: Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple, Pink.
I think that might be more due to their near invincibility moreso than their hellborn counterparts. Also, hellborns seem less unique, as they are born into hell with essentially no extra powers, whereas sinners come down with a fully fledged personality, and thus a more unique form tailored to who they were in life, including abilities like Alastors voodoo powers or Angel Dust's extra arms. It's only demons with true power like the Ars Goetia or the Sins that can defeat that variability and versatility earned in life with the raw power given to them by hell that they can beat sinners.
I wouldn’t say that they’re more powerful, I would use “outrank”. Sinners outrank hellborn. Because if you look at ars goetia , the 72 kings have their own realms, and even though realms are numbered that doesn’t classify the ruler’s power. So basically while realm 72 is the lowest, the ruler is not the weakest
If Hell's legal system isn't just like the very first American courts, where half the time they'd just end up duking it out on the court floor, I'm rioting.
Fun thing I just remembered. In some Biblical texts, Angels were supposed to be subservient to humans. Perhaps a variation of that is why Sinners rank as high as they do and can get so strong?
Wasn't that the entire reason Lucifer got mad at God; being made to serve a race he saw as inferior to him even though he was God's second-in-command and masterpiece? (Well, before humans and Jesus came along anyway.)
I wonder if Bael will be represented as his own demon. He's the king of Hell in the Ars Goetia, but since Lucifer is king in this rendition, I wonder where that would put Bael?
True I doubt Octavia or Stella are stronger then say alastor as we know that stolas is stronger then alastor but we also know vivzie had trouble deciding who would win between stolas and alastor
@@somerandomperson5473 She specifically says that with his book Stolas would have an ‘edge’ over Alastor, without it though I don’t think she specified.
@@Perfection-Studios-Films God: GTFO Michael: And don't come back Lucifer: Surprise Bitches; bet you thought you'd seen the last of me? Charlie: I may have made a mistake...
Mark my words... At some point in Hazbin Hotel, there's gonna be a moment where Charlie finally decides to put her foot down and remind people what being the Princess of Hell means. _Nice does not mean weak._ Edit: The amount of people who do not get Charlie's character, and the entire point of the Hotel and the show. _Is hilarious, and pathetic._ "She's weak, she's been depowered, she doesn't know--" Dude. Buddy. My guy. No. The entire point of Charlie, her character, and her goal with the Hotel is to prove that you don't have to be a belligerent dipshit just because you've got some power.
Maybe, considering the only reason I could imagine that sinners would think she's a joke is because she's never killed anyone before so no one knows what her true power is. If she actually killed someone, not just a random sinner but like one of the overlords of the pride ring, people would take her more seriously. Like if she showed she could easily kill an overlord
@@FlorianRasputin being scared of someone doesn’t mean you have less power than them! Since she’s the princess of hell her power is much greater than many others even overlords and I’m sure in the end she will overpower him! Pretty sure big said something bout it too. She’s def stronger than the overlords
@@amazinglyaverage412 Yes I know. I just thought her fear *could* imply something. She also seems very astounded by Alastor yanking down the airship. This is one of the things which had alluded me tosuch a thought. But I still wonder nonetheless why she is so scared of Alastor.
From my own understanding: Imps are the lowest of the low, but they're still considered 'people.' Hellhounds are below imps because they're considered animals, or pets, rather than people. And that's how imps can be 'the lowest' and still have something below them.
i really adore the resemblance between the helluva/hazbin universe hierarchy and the historical hierarchy of the european medieval period, specifically how the lowest class of peasantry had an even lower class within it (serfs), and then although the imp population would be considered the lowest class, the hellhounds are still a level lower than them. i just think it was a smart and well thought out thing for viv to incorporate
With Alastor being the radio demon and Vox being the television demon, I'm curious if Vivie will add an internet demon. Velvet seems more just a social media influencer but from what vivie has said her power is relatively low
From the looks of it, Vox seems to have some power over the internet as well. At least regarding video content with VoxTube and possible other websites.
No to me the sinners want to kill Charlie because she is innocent and kind hearted. A large pool of demon sinners are criminals, cultists, madmen, extremists, radicals, terrorists, gangs, murders, rapists, cannibals. What they all have in room is the hate people whom are good heated types. They want to kill Charlie because they want more influence power and to boost that Lucifer and Lilith are not all powerful if their daughter can be slain. Plus they want to kill her out of spit and to spit Lucifer and Lilith. The demon sinners I typed hate Lucifer and Lilith and they would kill them if they were to powerful. And here Charlie whom I believe is powerful is seen as week if they could they would slaughter Charlie Magne because they can and want to. These demon sinners don't want redemption no they want what all the horrible things they dis in life or wanted in life. The demon sinners who I named out definitely must stay in hell.
I think it's because no one actually realizes how powerful she actually is. Since I doubt she has ever used her power to kill anyone, at least not intentionally.
@@Krumpins Life is precious to Charlie I believe Charlie believes in this. Better she gives that love and care to those who truly deserve it such as humans Charlie loves human a even if she has never seen them so long ass she doesn't favor the ones up who are ill end up in hell via their evil actions.
@@Krumpins thanks I thought of thos is what Charlie believes in she won't kill because then those demon winners will hate her all the same if Charlie was evil demon sinners who are evil soul hate her all the same accept they would curse Charlie parents for giving birth to Charlie. Charlie she doesn't want to be evil which kills the idea o the bible says and God says no demonz no demon fallen angel human hybrids or dead sinners can be good or redeemed because Charlie is semi innocent of any crimes and evil. Maybe Charlie won't use her powers to threaten those who are evil because she wants to prove to God her grandfather and heaven that she can be different and is just as cable of being innocent and kind of heart. The problem iS the evil hearted and wicked want to slaughter Charlie for their own selfish greed of power monkey etc. Charlie heart is in the right place but she is trying to give such a kindness to the wrong demons and dead humans. The ones she should give it to are those who lived normal lives on earth before dying. (but many of those humans who live normal lives are probably murdered by demon sinners and Lucifer to keep Charlie from discovery their are innocent sinner demons and to spit her.)
I REALLY hope the ars Goetia in hello boss arent all just bird people. I wanna see people like Orobas (Basically a horse guy) as a representative of the ars goetia aa well. Bow that I tihkn think it, I feel like Blitzo would love Orobas considering he's a horse guy
Don't forget, the Ars Goetia also command their own legions of demons. Stolas in particular rules over twenty-six legions. One legion averages around 3,000 to 6,000 soldiers. Depending on how Blitzo and Stolas's relationship progresses, I.M.P could have the protection of an entire army.
I have a theory that Alastor himself was not powerful when he arrived in hell. Looking at the comment that Vaggie makes about Alastor in the pilot where she calls him a deal maker, I believe he manipulated his way into his powers. I think that Alastor's main power is his ability to make deals that are more than just verbal agreements and can actually make the other person hold their end of the deal to their detriment. So it is my belief that all of the overlords that Alastor overthrew he ingratiated himself with and made a deal for a power to kill another overlord for his current "master". After going to many different overlords he amassed enough power to suddenly "appear out of nowhere" and begin his assault.
the reason Alastor caught my eye in the show was because he would make the PERFECT villain. As powerful as he is, he's able to gain the trust of the people around him. Well, except for Vaggie. this leads me to think that he'll cement himself as the antagonist by 'removing' Vaggie from the equation. His intentions are also unknown, and his asexuality makes it clear he wants more from Hell than it currently provides.
One interesting thing; in one version of the demonic classification chart, the prince of pride is not Lucifer, but Astaroth. I wonder if _that'll_ come up in the show, and if so, how? Could Astaroth have been some sort of regent at one point, or did he seize power in a temporary coup/civil war?
I really hope that Mayberry makes an appearance in hazbin hotel as a patient in the hotel, plus Vaggie did mention that Alastor had overthrown a overlords who were "dominant for centuries" and that those said overlords were hell's "most ancient and destructive evils" so does this imply that those overlords were more powerful than the current overlords?
I recall reading somewhere that Alastor mainly stopped because he reached the level that he couldn't just tear them apart but has to be more careful in planning things.
They've also technically acknowledged Beelzebub, IIRC Blitzø commented about the bottle of "Beelzejuice" that Verosika was holding in the episode where she was introduced. It would make sense if the prince of gluttony is involved in the production of drinks and food in hell
Actually the *Ars Goetia* is more complicated and interesting than things shown so far. The rankings (roughly in order) are: Great King King Duke Prince Marquis Earl Knight President Many demons have more than one title (such as Zagan, who is listed as both a Great King and a President). Purson is the only other demon listed as a Great King. King Belial has the ability to grant Senatorships, which implies that Hell may have a Parliament. There's no indication as to what this Hellish Parliament would do. I believe Lucifer is the top dog because of his angelic status, but doesn't seem to have a title to represent that (although he is believed to be placed higher than even Great Kings. Perhaps he would be called Emperor Lucifer?)
I mentioned this in another comment but given the implied closeness of raw power between Alastor and Stolas (with Stolas coming out on top the majority of the time.) This would put him on the rank of lesser Prince/Marquis.
did anyone else notice that charlie magne sounds like charlemagne? it was one of the first things i noticed when i was watching hazbin but i've never seen anyone else talk about it
Wasn't Charlemagne the first Roman emperor to be baptised? Could that be a hint to Charlie possibly doing something like actually rehabilitating sinners or even recreating hell to be better? :O
When you have just Lucifer, the princes, and the ars goetia, things seem pretty predictable and orderly for the most part. Overlords, on the other hand, seem to be the loose cannons in this hierarchy with how they’re devoted to just gaining more and more power, meaning they could theoretically end up all over the upper half of the board in terms of strength the more power they gather. That sort of unpredictability would honestly make them the perfect antagonists of the series.
Imagine the Joker finding his way in Hell and rapidly gaining powers over all of the other overlords including Alastor. The one thing that would act as a shield is his sheer insanity.
I would even imagine since he has fought the whole Justice league and made them vulnerable, it is possible he can even topple the seven deadly princes like playing them like a fiddle. If you have any doubts, he has manipulated SuperMan known to be incorruptible yet fooled into joining his evil twisted plot if I remember correctly. I am just mentioning mentioning the animated series Joker.
When I first learned about Alastor being a killer/cannibal in the living realm, I instantly thought of the wendigo. In Native American culture, Wendigos will influence others to cannibalize and eventually become Wendigos themselves. Despite the internet type wendigo, they are also extremely spiritual and have powers similar to that of a demon. My theory is that Alastor was in the process of becoming a wendigo in his mortal life, but he was killed before that initial change could actually take place. Because of this, he went down to hell with a weird mixture of wendigo powers and mortal ability... Though that is just my personal headcanon.
Given how Charlie reacts to Alastor, and how the pilot episode makes a specific point of hyping up his power, he may be more dangerous than a typical overlord.
Watching the hunicast, the way vivzie treats Alastor and always states an agreement with Edward Bosco how Alastors power is top tier and able to rival fictional characters on a sheer power scale. I imagine it is both business and power ruling as an Overlord to show how much of an edge Alastor gained in such a short time because Alastor seems to be treated as if he is skyrocketing up the power ladder, seeming to seek beyond Overlord, especially the way he looks at Lucifer. I could be overreading in but I'm just here for fun.
It seems lilith is the one who runs the show while lucifur fucks around with his projects like lu lu world and random rubber ducks it's probably why he's such good friends with alastor he enjoys entertainment just like him
Haahahaha, reading this with the info we have no, Alastor and Lucifer as friends is so funny. But why tf does Alastor even want Charlie from Lucifer so bad.
Wait, so if Lucifer is the circus ring leader, Mammon is a clown, and Ozzie is (because of the mane) a lion, then the rest of the princes might be circus themed.
In the intro of hazbin hotel during the song, there is a horned character who stands with a silhouette that looks like Lucifer. That could be Satan honestly.
@@Chokah Yes, but after pilot a lot of things changed, for example: the nine circles of hell that Katie mentions changed to seven rings. The creators could choose a diffrent direction after the pilot. For example: Satan-The Emperor of all Rings. Lucifer-King of Pride Ring Mammon-King of Greed Ring. Asmodeus-King of Lust Ring. Leviathan-King of Envy Ring Azazel-King of Wrath Ring Beelzebub-King of Gluttony Ring Belphegor-King of Sloth Ring. Likewise, The Purge that follows the Pilot that takes place throughout Hell, now only happens in Pride Ring which is managed by the Magne Family
So, What role would other fallen angels play in the hierarchy? (Not just Lucifer but others) Is that a thing? We see that there are cherubs and angels in heaven, Do Angels and/or cherubs fall, that would be cool I imagine them being above the sinners and below the overlords Or Maybe they’d be between Overlords and Goetia Like fallen angels have a level of prestige so overlords can’t touch them. (Maybe even though they fell, they have certain ties with heaven) For the record, I have an OC named Tueful She’s a fallen high angel who is a bit of a celebrity in hell. She’s really quiet and creepy. But she’s mostly harmless She fell to hell for killing a human who tried to harm children
@@sweethysteria8737 not really, the cherubim are below the seraphim (that is, they are the 2 strongest in heaven, just because they look harmless does not make them less powerful)
It is worth noting Stolas is a prince in the goetia and Vivian implied that Alastor is near him in strength (though nine times out of ten the fight would go to Stolas.) This would put Alastor at the rank of a Goetic Marquis/lesser Prince. Additionally, if one goes by the goetia and what's known within it, Bael is probably also exceedingly powerful, as he's the chief ranking King of the Goetia. This means that he may be higher in the pecking order than Asmodeus who is a deadly prince as well as Goetic king (though his status as a deadly prince may supersede that.) Lastly despite being a lower ranked King than Bael and Asmodeus, Paimon is described as first in loyalty before Lucifer so even if raw power doesn't place him above the other two his political connections and soft power may be an important factor.
@@idigamstudios7463 it's possible Asmodeus used to be or is also a Goetic Demon. If you noticed, his goetic sigil appears in his club during Episode 7. But that's clearly secondary to his position as one of the seven rulers of Hell.
Wow, it really does sound silly doesn’t it. So many fans, fan art, lore, music videos, other shows and the original series has yet to release its first fucking episode.
I noticed that some of the weapons IMP has in their arsenal are human made and demon made and the weapons that Stryker had was angel made. This means they have connections to earth, hell and heaven to get the latest fire power.
Anyone else have that thought that demons with lesser sins are part angel and Are left to turn into the exorcist angels and slaughter as many demons close to them. I really want to just enjoy how sweet moxie is but I keep having the thought that Viv is not only setting up how different Moxie and Millie‘s relationship is but also either for one of them to die/seriously hurt or one of them to have angel in them. Mostly likely moxie
Luci is a circus enthusiast.. he owns Lu lu World and he also likes musicals like Charlie… Charlie also likes the circus so it runs in the family Lilith usually is the first wife of Adam and the first ever demon in folklore…. In this continuity she’s just Lucifer’s wife..
I wonder if we see or at least hear something about the seven (heavenly) virtues in Heaven. It's the opposite of the Seven Deadly Sins and the virtues are: -prudence -justice -temperance -courage -faith -hope -charity/love. That would be so awesome. I love how she takes real things, theories and creatures for her hell and heaven, this two series are so awesome. It's also great animated, has awesome voice actors and beautiful stories.
Charlie is literally the daughter of Lucifer Magne, so just under him in the hierarchy. Soooo Katie Killjoy (a sinner) don't exist anymore after what she did to Charlie, right? If not, I don't see how Lucifer can impose respect at this point. Or he just don't care at all about his daughter... which I think it's the case actually.
Maybe he just has a very "hands-off" method of parenting and wants her to prove she can do well without his help. I assume the other demons get away with putting Charlie through their BS without fear of being attacked/assassinated/tortured/incinerated/sent to Brazil bc they know she's been left to her own devices by now, and even if she could do so, she doesn't want to use force or intimidation to get what she wants.
One group is missing and it's the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse. Why such a group does not existed? If they do, where are they? I think this video said in itself about how the society of the Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate functioned. Here's what I thought of so far for the comparison: 1 The Royal Family = The Sith Emperor 2 Seven Deadly Sins = The Dark Council 3 The Overlords = Sith Lords 4 Four Horsemen of Apocalypse = The Dread Masters 5 Sinners = Imperial citizens of human and Sith origins 6 Imps and Hellhounds = Imperial citizens of alien origins The only lacking elements at the moment are the equivalent roles of the Emperor's Wrath and the Emperor's Voice in Hell, who I personally called as the King's Vengeance and the King's Speaker respectively.
I feel like Alastor isn't the most powerful (which has been confirmed) but he Is probably the most dangerous and unpredictable.. literally the perfect example of a demon in the show compared to the others. Definitely seems pretty fucking smart too if not the smartest demon we've seen so far besides stolas's book knowledge, but I don't think he has much street and psychological knowledge like Alastor. I bet he'd easily kill off every overlord if he wanted to find a way to do so but that's not his motivation. Power itself isn't everything, it's like David and Goliath. If there's a will there's a way. I mean he's already associated himself with Charlie who is allegedly more powerful then the 6 other deadly sins already. MAJOR major power move. If he plays his cards right he just got a one up on the deadly sins which should be impossible to him (not by himself obviously). Edit: plus he has plot armor, there's no way they'd kill off that character. He's the fan favorite so far.
One thing very interesting is that the Ars Goetia irl actually includes Asmodeus, because the Lesser Key of Solomon and Binsfeld’s classification of demons are two separate interpretations of demonology. Having said that, I wonder what the 72nd member of the Vivzieverse Ars Goetia would be, since Asmodeus is already one of the seven Princes. I mean, the Lesser Key technically uses an alternative name, Asmoday, so maybe in the Vivzieverse Asmodeus and Asmoday could be two different but related demons, with one being a Demon Prince and the other being a Goetic demon
Earthborn sinners probably have power over hellborn ones because they were created by god- Lucifer has immediate power over all due to being once a heavenly creature, earthborn sinners probably function the same way
I think Alastor's power rests on three things: raw infernal voodoo magic, dominance over radio (not that it matters given Vox's control over television counting for more these days), and pure psychopathic chutzpah. Maybe the latter more than anything. One is left with a sense that he has little to no respect for Hell's hierarchy, it's laws, or names. He thinks nothing of addressing Charlie with familiarity. Yes she has little respect from others, but being Lucifer's daughter still confers much. Probably why 666 news would even bother to accept using her filler; that cannibal cooking slot could have been literally filled by anything. Even if she is a joke to them, Lucifer isn't. One can't imagine Lucifer would take kindly if anyone actually refused her or harmed her. But Alastor? He doesn't give two flying fucks that she is Lucifer's daughter. He acts more like a skeptical but supportive big brother. He is literally fearless, and that fearlessness likely is why he is so powerful. He might even be able to visit the other rings at his leisure, strong enough to overcome any barrier that would bar most sinners. Is he as strong as Lucifer and the others? Doubtful, but probably strong enough to be on the radar as someone to be concerned about. Even an Overlord Sinnwr with strength approaching the weakest of the Ars Goetia would be cause for concern. Couple that with his disregard for rules and rank, he is at least someone even the great princes need to at least be mildly concerned. Let me remind you of the fact he was punching above his weight FROM DAY ONE in Hell. Who knows how strong he is now...now couple that with his psychopathic disregard for rules and rank. The only reason he hasn't been bumped off already is likely because he has no interest in challenging the powers that be, and because he is a source of entertainment for Lucifer himself. Useful too, as his presence serves as a check on the ambitions of Overlords, Sinner or Hellborn. Instead of entertaining ideas about challenging the blue bloods, they're more worried about Alastor. Probably several kinds of wrong.
@@noel2641 shouldn’t we have seen the Hazbin Hotel characters by now then? Also where tf is Hazbin Hotel episodes?? We’ve gotten 7 Helluva Boss episodes but only one Hazbin Hotel
@@cameronmeetze8153 you can literally see Charlie on loonas screen at a point, and helluva boss was specifically written to give us lighter insight into the going ons in hell, hazbin will be coming after the series finishes. Also there is multiple references to hazbin hotel, not to mention they both literally will be sharing certain characters such as the rulers of the sin rings, and Lucifer. the creator herself literally told us so?
I have a theory that Charlie and Lucifer are hurt less when someone hits either of them with an angelic weapon it will hurt them less because they are half angel.
Love how the strongest demon in hell is probably one of the shortest sins I think Mammon is the smallest based off the outline I’ve seen of him, I have seen any other sins tho (besides ones that have appeared in the show but he’s shorter than Beelzebub and Asmodeus) so Satan, Leviathan or Belphegor could be shorter
i wonder if we will ever see lucifers brothers, Would be pretty funny if they were part of the extermination crew and they go down there to taunt him for staying in hell.
Lucifer/Charlie/Lilith - Imperial Family The Seven Sins - Royalty Ars Goetia - High and Low Nobility Overlords - Bourgeois Sinners - Citizens (“Free Men”) The Hellborn - Servants (Vassalage) The Imps and Hellhounds - Vassals too, but are seen more as slaves I believe it is more or less like that, at least the social perception of each caste
This is my own version with comparison with the Sith Empire from Star Wars: The Old Republic. 1 The Royal Family = The Sith Emperor 2 Seven Deadly Sins = The Dark Council 3 The Overlords = Sith Lords 4 Four Horsemen of Apocalypse = The Dread Masters 5 Sinners = Imperial citizens of human and Sith origins 6 Imps and Hellhounds = Imperial citizens of alien origins The only lacking elements at the moment are the equivalent roles of the Emperor's Wrath and the Emperor's Voice in Hell, who I personally called as the King's Vengeance and the King's Speaker respectively. By the way, how do you guys think the Demons in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss deal with the idea of being accused of creating the Titans according to Marley? You all know what I am talking about if you guys know about Attack on Titan. But the point is who among them will happily take credits for what they did not do and who among them will take offense of such an accusation? P.S: How much possible it is for the Demons of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss to stand a chance against the likes of Chainsaw Man and Ghost Rider?
@@lerneanlion Hang on! Are there Four Horsemen in the Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel universe? I mean, they're God's creatures, but I don't think they're angels or demons. They are more like entities that personify phenomena (Pestilence, War, Famine and Death).
@@dllps Nope. But Christian Europe seemed to portray them in negative lights to the point that they are little to no different from demons now. I mean, the Christians during the 16th century were portraying one of the Four Horsemen as a Turk to symbolizing the supposed unstoppable conquest of the Ottoman Empire said a lot. According to Martin Luther's view, he believed the Turks were sent by God to punish the Church of Rome at the time for actions such as selling letters of indulgence and simony.
Charlie is pretty calm even though she's the princess of hell, this could mean that she's (possibly) quite powerful instead of looking aggressive, she's nice.
UPDATE: all overlords are sinners who collected many souls, alestor's power comes from souls he has inherited, stolen or made deals for in his time as a killer (we can know that he was actively trying to gain power through gaining souls as Rosie gives him advice on where to find some in S1 E7 of Hazbin). Also sinners do appear to be able to reproduce though it is as of yet unclear.
The fact that hellborns, imps and hellhounds, most of the people who pretty much were born in Hell, are the least powered and constantely made fun of, while the Sinners, who are not even original residents of Hell, are incredible powerful and influential is very unfair, but, that is Hell, a place designed for punishment, so that must be the point. Lol
Because humans have souls. That is the reason Lucifer overthrew God was because he was jealous that humans are able to have souls while his fellow angels do not.
I'm pretty sure alister is a overlord because of the opposite of nepotism, he just seemed extremely threatening, so maybe he sits lower down so he isn't seen as a threat to the higher beings
To me, it does not matter if you are from a royal bloodline or not. I bet if a prince like Paimon will battle with Charlie, Charlie's gonna get rekt. There are plenty of powerful "goetia princes" who can rival Lucifer in terms of power. But then, this is Vivziepop's story she and her team are the only ones that can write what is canon in the story regardless of the canon mythology.
is alastor actually into voodoo? and is he depicted as someone who can do that? i find it so weird n microaggressive that an AA magic system is being used as the main system one of the most evil characters in the show so far is using
i think he is, he mentions of his mother's jambalaya (which originates from South Louisiana where voodoo is commonly used) and that at the end when he crushes Sir Pentious's airship we can see some blood come out of his hand.
It would've been better if it was from the bottom to the top like from Imps to the prince of darkness himself or hellborns being above sinners but below overlords
Thing is though: Asmodeus is part of the Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon), as is Beelzebub. So, it’s possible that Lucifer is the complete forefather of Hell’s royalty.
Based on some lower demons that you can see in episode 7 of helluva boss I think they might be going for more of a blend of Sathanas and Baphomet as the prince of wrath
something ive been wondering is why do so many people seem to talk down to charlie? if she is the daughter of lucifer and basically higher up in the social pyramid thatn everyone else, then why do people like katie the reporter basically make fun of her publicly? we saw with stolas in helluva boss ep 7 that he was able to get into ozzies just because he was higher in the social pyramid and people respected him, so why do people not respect charlie when she is even more sophisticated than stolas?
Girlllll there are criminal they have their own don't respect people thing . They don't respect Lucifer they scare d of him . Do you really think they gonna respect charlie with that kind of personality . You should lister to vivzipop Livestream on her channel
Power can be subjective. It could be political pull, money, or all the bad juju. However, even an imp with a shotgun can be dangerous. As with Sir Pentious with his big bang blimp, who thought he was on par with Alastor, and even rivals only for him to be cruelly reminded that there are things in hell more powerful than technology.
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IMO it's Alastor's power that the technicality that makes him an Overlord. Vaggie's description of him did mention his useage of the radio, but since it focused more on his sheer power it suggests the power is his most important trait, not a monopoly on radio industry.
I could as see him having a monopoly simply because new generations don't want it. Due of the rise of television and then computers and the internet the radio is not as far reaching has it had once been
From what a friend and i research, Alastor is, an insulte given to certain god or the grand executioner of Lucifer, having the capacity to kill other demon, this would explain is power to and why he is with charlie in the first place
I feel like it’s less of a monopoly and more along the lines of who he was in his past life and the state of the world when he died in the 1920’s. Alastor is absolutely an Overlord. But he is nowhere near as powerful as the Goetic demons or the leaders of each level of hell. Still one of my favorite characters.
I think its neither actually if vizzie pop said that overlords consist of earth born sinners maybe alastors power is considered higher than a overlord but he technicly can’t be a prince. That would explain why she said technicly
I'd like to imagine that its both IE the overlords he had stepped over were in the radio industry and he broadcast is killing of them which net him the rank of overlord
I wonder if there's any resentment between the sinners and the hellborns. For the hellborns, especially those living in the Pride Ring, Hell is their home turf and yet they're ranked lower than human souls.
And for the sinners, they're trapped in the Pride Ring to be slaughtered by the Exorcists while hellborns can go wherever they want in the rings.
It's mostlikeky because he'll born sinners have no powers, except for royal demons for some reason
@@thesupernaturalhouse If that were true Verosika's song in Spring Breakers would have been normal and wouldn't have had some sort of ability to cause extreme lust in her audience
@@AndromedaNull well, maybe demons born in certain rings have some powers, such as if your born in the last ring your more..... appealing? To humans s3xually
If your born in the pride ring your more brave, etc
@@thesupernaturalhouse Honestly as I see it some demons could have powers like Verosika's kind the succubi having a power similar to sirens considering her song was luring in her prey(her audience) making them feel whatever emotion she wanted them to feel which would be lust in this example
@@AndromedaNull maybe, the well never know unless the creators tell use, but good theory
We only see very small glimpses of Charlie’s angelic power, and that is she can sense the good and evil in people. Such as in the prequel comic Charlie wants to try talking to Angel because she sensed something from him specifically that was different from other demons. And when Vaggie asks if she was sure he was someone they wanted to talk to, Charlie just smiles and says “He’s good, I can tell.” Also in the pilot Charlie does smile when Pentious shows up almost as though sensing there was a good person in him as well. Both of these moments are vague and don’t really prove that Charlie anything beyond how naive she can be.
In the C.H.E.R.U.B episode we do see the Cherubs are able to bless and heal people. Due to her own angelic abilities Charlie might be shown as able to sooth pain or ease nightmares.
Charlie might Cherubs.
I doubt Charlie is as naive as everyone thinks, she's over 200 years old.
@@recjr7685 definitely not as naive as she comes across, but there is a still a lot for her to consider when it comes to redemptions
New Headcanon: Charlie sometimes wanders around the hotel at night to use her angelic powers to ease the nightmares of her patients.
@@wuzfang That may need to be done with Angel when he actually does start to go clean off drugs. Cause withdrawal from PCP has some very nasty stuff happen. The more short-term issues are things like headaches, irritability, anxiety disorders, and seizure episodes. And those start occurring within eight hours of abstaining from the drugs. The more long-term issues are mood swings, depression, sleep disturbances. So they will have a very sick spider on their hands, and even if he gets over that there is still at least thirty years of trauma at Valentino's hands that will torment him for quite some time.
Pretty sure the technicality that made Alastor an overlord simply is, that unlike the other overlords, he does not fight for territory or has countless minions at his command. rather it would seem Alastor is simply an overlord by merit of his soul's dark abilities and he fares through hell more like a wanderer, living where he sees fit, the other overlords allowing it, knowing he in turn won't try and take their territory away.
I completely agree. He is to powerful for the average demon to fight him and a good chunk of overlords as well. The overlords that could fight him on even grounds don't want to risk it. Plus since they can't truly kill each other, do they really want to risk him coming back for revenge every other weak?
I think Alastor is an entropy. He's the "gamma beam" coming out of nowhere roasting everything on his path and meet no bounds when it comes to hierarchy.
He destroyed an overlord and is maybe using the literal daughter of Lucifer Magne's goodness and dreams, Charlie, for his own agenda.
He cares for nothing, fear nothing, he's seriously way more than just an overlord in my opinion.
EDIT: Is it crazy to think he's related somehow to the Magne family? He seems having the same happy evil smile as Lucifer.
Do you think Alastor could be an angel/fallen angel?
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No, he was once a mortal man.
@@bird8196 no, he's just a pretty powerful human
so how much power do you have?
alastor apparently: *yes*
Alastor confirmed op
Nah, Alastair is more "Why yes indeed!"
Not much, Stolas is way stronger and he is the weakest of the Goetia
I feel like Alastor would more likely answer this with something like
"Whatever do you mean, power? Me? What a joke, a right kidney buster!"
Then he turns aroubd when nobody is looking at his face and does that fully demonic face as he grins thinking about his full power
@@SirToaster9330 I’m pretty sure the weakest rank of goetia are presidents while Stolas is a prince which is third highest in the goetic hierarchy
He's not just a fallen angel, he's a fallen archangel.
Not only that lucifer was a Seraphim the highest choir of angels.
Wasn't Lucifer basically God's masterpiece and second only to the big G before he decided to rebel?
@@anonguy772 I'm pretty sure. He was also called the Light Bringer.
@@truth.honest I'm like 90% sure Lucifer means Light Bringer.
@@anonguy772 It does in latin but you know what I mean.
I believe that when blitzo mentioned that the nearest ocean was three rings down, he was talking about Leviathan’s ring which would be envy. But that’s just what I think.
Sounds legit in my opinion
@@Fleshi_Guy615 No, envy is 4 rings down from Pride
@@Infamous_Val_05 If only we had a fricken map so we could understand the layout better
@@Fleshi_Guy615 There is one. In episode 7 we see a screen with the names of the rings and their colors:
Pride is red
Wrath is orange
Lust is blue
Envy is purple
Sloth is pink
In another screen we can see the order of the colors:
Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Purple, Pink.
@@Infamous_Val_05 I knew of the screen, but I didn't know it literally showed the order that the rings were stacked. Thanks!
i’m actually kind of surprised sinners are more powerful than hellborn
Probably thanks to the divine spark as human souls are creations of God. Hellborn do not have that.
@@Weirdaman That makes alot of sense
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I mean.. yeah, that’s understandable.
I think that might be more due to their near invincibility moreso than their hellborn counterparts. Also, hellborns seem less unique, as they are born into hell with essentially no extra powers, whereas sinners come down with a fully fledged personality, and thus a more unique form tailored to who they were in life, including abilities like Alastors voodoo powers or Angel Dust's extra arms. It's only demons with true power like the Ars Goetia or the Sins that can defeat that variability and versatility earned in life with the raw power given to them by hell that they can beat sinners.
I wouldn’t say that they’re more powerful, I would use “outrank”. Sinners outrank hellborn. Because if you look at ars goetia , the 72 kings have their own realms, and even though realms are numbered that doesn’t classify the ruler’s power. So basically while realm 72 is the lowest, the ruler is not the weakest
So the existence of the lawsuit implies some form of legal system in hell, I’m curious how that works
Perhaps only the most annoying, hellish laws that encourage greed and other sins are enforced? Like pesky corporate lawsuits.
Probably badly.
That said, with the newest episode out, it looks like Asmodeus and Mammon had some sort of arrangement going.
Hell is filled with Lawyers...they no doubt continue their practice there. We can assume most aspects of court room civility have been abandoned.
If Hell's legal system isn't just like the very first American courts, where half the time they'd just end up duking it out on the court floor, I'm rioting.
"You have 72 hours. If you cant kill the guy sueing you or stay out of dodge until they forget about you, you have to meet their demands"
Fun thing I just remembered. In some Biblical texts, Angels were supposed to be subservient to humans.
Perhaps a variation of that is why Sinners rank as high as they do and can get so strong?
Wasn't that the entire reason Lucifer got mad at God; being made to serve a race he saw as inferior to him even though he was God's second-in-command and masterpiece? (Well, before humans and Jesus came along anyway.)
I really want to see another episode of hazbin hotel.
Oh yeah I forgot about that Unm do you have to wait till helluva boss is over!
@@Mr_Astro-Vera WHAT really😭 damn Welp helluva boss is a nice show anyways I can wait lets just enjoy it while it lasts
@@biancaking2502 yeah
It will come eventually.
Covid definitely impacts the production of Hazbin Hotel, but with any luck, we can maybe hope to see it coming out in 2022.
The borders also aren't entirely drawn by power, some of the Ars Goetia might well be weaker than Alastor while other might be stronger.
I wonder if Bael will be represented as his own demon. He's the king of Hell in the Ars Goetia, but since Lucifer is king in this rendition, I wonder where that would put Bael?
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True I doubt Octavia or Stella are stronger then say alastor as we know that stolas is stronger then alastor but we also know vivzie had trouble deciding who would win between stolas and alastor
@@somerandomperson5473 She specifically says that with his book Stolas would have an ‘edge’ over Alastor, without it though I don’t think she specified.
@@tiringsarcasm she did in a stream she stated that it was a hard choice because there powers are so different but she would have to go with stolas
I have a crazy theory
The only reason charley is really trying to rehabilitate demons is to get her father back into heaven
thats certainly interesting, but why would lucifer want to go back to heaven when he has it all in hell?
@@am_Nein out of spite
Tell me lucifer isn’t the kind of guy to do something just because he was told specifically not to do that
@@am_Nein Lucifer doesn't have to WANT to go back to heaven. Charlie just has to assume that's what's best for him.
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God: GTFO
Michael: And don't come back
Lucifer: Surprise Bitches; bet you thought you'd seen the last of me?
Charlie: I may have made a mistake...
@@idigamstudios7463interesting but I think she genuinely feels bad for all the sinners who get killed
Mark my words... At some point in Hazbin Hotel, there's gonna be a moment where Charlie finally decides to put her foot down and remind people what being the Princess of Hell means.
_Nice does not mean weak._
Edit: The amount of people who do not get Charlie's character, and the entire point of the Hotel and the show.
_Is hilarious, and pathetic._
"She's weak, she's been depowered, she doesn't know--"
Dude. Buddy. My guy. No.
The entire point of Charlie, her character, and her goal with the Hotel is to prove that you don't have to be a belligerent dipshit just because you've got some power.
Maybe, considering the only reason I could imagine that sinners would think she's a joke is because she's never killed anyone before so no one knows what her true power is. If she actually killed someone, not just a random sinner but like one of the overlords of the pride ring, people would take her more seriously. Like if she showed she could easily kill an overlord
I was waiting for that to happen in Hazbin Hotel, I'd LOVE to see another episode where that happens 😭
@@Gladiator-fx6rr Well, She seemed very scared of Alastor, so I dunno if she can take down an overlord
@@FlorianRasputin being scared of someone doesn’t mean you have less power than them! Since she’s the princess of hell her power is much greater than many others even overlords and I’m sure in the end she will overpower him! Pretty sure big said something bout it too. She’s def stronger than the overlords
@@amazinglyaverage412 Yes I know. I just thought her fear *could* imply something. She also seems very astounded by Alastor yanking down the airship. This is one of the things which had alluded me tosuch a thought. But I still wonder nonetheless why she is so scared of Alastor.
From my own understanding:
Imps are the lowest of the low, but they're still considered 'people.'
Hellhounds are below imps because they're considered animals, or pets, rather than people.
And that's how imps can be 'the lowest' and still have something below them.
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@@PDragonBabyUO glad I’m not the only one who is that clumsy
@@MasterIsabelle lol
@@MasterIsabelle same
i really adore the resemblance between the helluva/hazbin universe hierarchy and the historical hierarchy of the european medieval period, specifically how the lowest class of peasantry had an even lower class within it (serfs), and then although the imp population would be considered the lowest class, the hellhounds are still a level lower than them. i just think it was a smart and well thought out thing for viv to incorporate
With Alastor being the radio demon and Vox being the television demon, I'm curious if Vivie will add an internet demon. Velvet seems more just a social media influencer but from what vivie has said her power is relatively low
I thought Velvet was confirmed to run the internet in hell?
@@twist_ending7545 maybe, depends on if social media counts as the internet as a whole
I thought it was a rule that shall not be named.
@@twist_ending7545 Since we have limited information Velvet could be or there could be different Overlords for different parts of the internet
From the looks of it, Vox seems to have some power over the internet as well. At least regarding video content with VoxTube and possible other websites.
Well as of October 31 2021 we have officially seen the embodiment of Lust! Asmodeus!
indeed!
And his lust made me fall for him.
“From the groin to the bust, in desire we trust, in the House of Asmodeus!”
Could the sinners of hell want to kill Charlie because they get her power when she dies? so they can instantly become more powerful then overlords
No to me the sinners want to kill Charlie because she is innocent and kind hearted. A large pool of demon sinners are criminals, cultists, madmen, extremists, radicals, terrorists, gangs, murders, rapists, cannibals. What they all have in room is the hate people whom are good heated types. They want to kill Charlie because they want more influence power and to boost that Lucifer and Lilith are not all powerful if their daughter can be slain. Plus they want to kill her out of spit and to spit Lucifer and Lilith. The demon sinners I typed hate Lucifer and Lilith and they would kill them if they were to powerful. And here Charlie whom I believe is powerful is seen as week if they could they would slaughter Charlie Magne because they can and want to. These demon sinners don't want redemption no they want what all the horrible things they dis in life or wanted in life. The demon sinners who I named out definitely must stay in hell.
I think it's because no one actually realizes how powerful she actually is. Since I doubt she has ever used her power to kill anyone, at least not intentionally.
@@Krumpins Life is precious to Charlie I believe Charlie believes in this. Better she gives that love and care to those who truly deserve it such as humans Charlie loves human a even if she has never seen them so long ass she doesn't favor the ones up who are ill end up in hell via their evil actions.
@@mysterythekitsune2988 That's a great summary of Charlie as a character.
@@Krumpins thanks I thought of thos is what Charlie believes in she won't kill because then those demon winners will hate her all the same if Charlie was evil demon sinners who are evil soul hate her all the same accept they would curse Charlie parents for giving birth to Charlie. Charlie she doesn't want to be evil which kills the idea o the bible says and God says no demonz no demon fallen angel human hybrids or dead sinners can be good or redeemed because Charlie is semi innocent of any crimes and evil. Maybe Charlie won't use her powers to threaten those who are evil because she wants to prove to God her grandfather and heaven that she can be different and is just as cable of being innocent and kind of heart. The problem iS the evil hearted and wicked want to slaughter Charlie for their own selfish greed of power monkey etc.
Charlie heart is in the right place but she is trying to give such a kindness to the wrong demons and dead humans. The ones she should give it to are those who lived normal lives on earth before dying. (but many of those humans who live normal lives are probably murdered by demon sinners and Lucifer to keep Charlie from discovery their are innocent sinner demons and to spit her.)
I REALLY hope the ars Goetia in hello boss arent all just bird people. I wanna see people like Orobas (Basically a horse guy) as a representative of the ars goetia aa well. Bow that I tihkn think it, I feel like Blitzo would love Orobas considering he's a horse guy
THAT WOULD BE ENTERTAINING!
Don't forget, the Ars Goetia also command their own legions of demons. Stolas in particular rules over twenty-six legions. One legion averages around 3,000 to 6,000 soldiers. Depending on how Blitzo and Stolas's relationship progresses, I.M.P could have the protection of an entire army.
@@ozyisgoated Hey Alastor
@@cassie6146 what type of demons are the legions then? Are they diverse? Or only focus on one species?
@@vuncelantenweid2556 Not sure. They may be fellow bird demons or ones of varying species, but we'll have no way of knowing until it gets brought up.
I have a theory that Alastor himself was not powerful when he arrived in hell. Looking at the comment that Vaggie makes about Alastor in the pilot where she calls him a deal maker, I believe he manipulated his way into his powers. I think that Alastor's main power is his ability to make deals that are more than just verbal agreements and can actually make the other person hold their end of the deal to their detriment. So it is my belief that all of the overlords that Alastor overthrew he ingratiated himself with and made a deal for a power to kill another overlord for his current "master". After going to many different overlords he amassed enough power to suddenly "appear out of nowhere" and begin his assault.
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@@PDragonBabyUO Thank you, I appreciate that 😁
This is fucking brilliant!
the reason Alastor caught my eye in the show was because he would make the PERFECT villain. As powerful as he is, he's able to gain the trust of the people around him. Well, except for Vaggie. this leads me to think that he'll cement himself as the antagonist by 'removing' Vaggie from the equation. His intentions are also unknown, and his asexuality makes it clear he wants more from Hell than it currently provides.
One interesting thing; in one version of the demonic classification chart, the prince of pride is not Lucifer, but Astaroth. I wonder if _that'll_ come up in the show, and if so, how? Could Astaroth have been some sort of regent at one point, or did he seize power in a temporary coup/civil war?
Lucifer might have eliminated him in a show of power after he arrived in Hell.
@@Chokah That's certainly an interesting possibility!
I really hope that Mayberry makes an appearance in hazbin hotel as a patient in the hotel, plus Vaggie did mention that Alastor had overthrown a overlords who were "dominant for centuries" and that those said overlords were hell's "most ancient and destructive evils" so does this imply that those overlords were more powerful than the current overlords?
So probably the quality decrease
You know, it’s possible that Alastor made a demonic pact before he died, thus giving him the abilities he has now.
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I imagin lucifer is so powerfull,even alastor is afraid of him.
Of course
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@@ozyisgoated don't you mean "with kindness and respect?".also Thanks for letting me know about your releatsion with your king.
I recall reading somewhere that Alastor mainly stopped because he reached the level that he couldn't just tear them apart but has to be more careful in planning things.
@@bahesb2419 you’re welcome!
You know Charlie is the main character when you realize she’s half demon half angel and she’s the princess of hell.
They've also technically acknowledged Beelzebub, IIRC Blitzø commented about the bottle of "Beelzejuice" that Verosika was holding in the episode where she was introduced. It would make sense if the prince of gluttony is involved in the production of drinks and food in hell
Really shows how strong Charlie is compared to the rest of hell
"This is hell I thought it would be more primitive" I want that to be a line
I believe Alastor's technicality is "right of combat succession." Meaning if you duel a overlord and beat them, you take their spot as an overlord.
THiS is going to be amazing for sure
Sure it will I hope
Actually the *Ars Goetia* is more complicated and interesting than things shown so far. The rankings (roughly in order) are:
Great King
King
Duke
Prince
Marquis
Earl
Knight
President
Many demons have more than one title (such as Zagan, who is listed as both a Great King and a President). Purson is the only other demon listed as a Great King.
King Belial has the ability to grant Senatorships, which implies that Hell may have a Parliament. There's no indication as to what this Hellish Parliament would do.
I believe Lucifer is the top dog because of his angelic status, but doesn't seem to have a title to represent that (although he is believed to be placed higher than even Great Kings. Perhaps he would be called Emperor Lucifer?)
Actually they are angels who joined lucifer in the heaven war, well below him, but he does often refer to them as his brothers.
Where did you get this information from?
I mentioned this in another comment but given the implied closeness of raw power between Alastor and Stolas (with Stolas coming out on top the majority of the time.) This would put him on the rank of lesser Prince/Marquis.
@@idigamstudios7463 he is referred to as a demon prince by Asmodeus
So Stolas is in the middle of the hierarchy, as he is referred to as a Demon Prince?
did anyone else notice that charlie magne sounds like charlemagne? it was one of the first things i noticed when i was watching hazbin but i've never seen anyone else talk about it
Never realized. But yea, that's a good point. I mean, Charlemagne isn't even Charlemagne's name. It was Karl or Charles. Le Magne means "the Great".
Yep! It was actually mentioned in a really old stream that is where Viv got the idea for the royal family’s last name.
Wasn't Charlemagne the first Roman emperor to be baptised? Could that be a hint to Charlie possibly doing something like actually rehabilitating sinners or even recreating hell to be better? :O
@@briiickiii3356 No Charlemagne wasnt roman, he was Franc, but he was indeed christian, and he even the title of "Patrice" the protector of the church
@@-ravencross-5937 huh i guess i have people mixed up lol
When you have just Lucifer, the princes, and the ars goetia, things seem pretty predictable and orderly for the most part. Overlords, on the other hand, seem to be the loose cannons in this hierarchy with how they’re devoted to just gaining more and more power, meaning they could theoretically end up all over the upper half of the board in terms of strength the more power they gather.
That sort of unpredictability would honestly make them the perfect antagonists of the series.
8:53, beat timing was so perfect
Imagine the Joker finding his way in Hell and rapidly gaining powers over all of the other overlords including Alastor. The one thing that would act as a shield is his sheer insanity.
I would even imagine since he has fought the whole Justice league and made them vulnerable, it is possible he can even topple the seven deadly princes like playing them like a fiddle. If you have any doubts, he has manipulated SuperMan known to be incorruptible yet fooled into joining his evil twisted plot if I remember correctly. I am just mentioning mentioning the animated series Joker.
Nice
@@Icy_vixen I doubt he would get a chance tho considering lucifer is too prideful to listen to anything he has to say and would kill him instantly
What if venom eddie brock was in Hazbin hotel?.
@@louisvilletech7765 I think your thinking about cross overs very detailedly lol
Lucifer was expected to be a strong scary demon Actually Lucifer : TAKE THAT DEPRESSION
Ikr? He's such a silly deprressed duck-loving man and thats why we love him
When I first learned about Alastor being a killer/cannibal in the living realm, I instantly thought of the wendigo. In Native American culture, Wendigos will influence others to cannibalize and eventually become Wendigos themselves. Despite the internet type wendigo, they are also extremely spiritual and have powers similar to that of a demon. My theory is that Alastor was in the process of becoming a wendigo in his mortal life, but he was killed before that initial change could actually take place. Because of this, he went down to hell with a weird mixture of wendigo powers and mortal ability... Though that is just my personal headcanon.
He could have been killed halfway through the transformation with both human and wendigo features
Given how Charlie reacts to Alastor, and how the pilot episode makes a specific point of hyping up his power, he may be more dangerous than a typical overlord.
you can be scared of a cockroach even if you can stomp it to death
That perfectly defines Charlie's reaction to Alastor.
Man, this aged hella well
Watching the hunicast, the way vivzie treats Alastor and always states an agreement with Edward Bosco how Alastors power is top tier and able to rival fictional characters on a sheer power scale. I imagine it is both business and power ruling as an Overlord to show how much of an edge Alastor gained in such a short time because Alastor seems to be treated as if he is skyrocketing up the power ladder, seeming to seek beyond Overlord, especially the way he looks at Lucifer. I could be overreading in but I'm just here for fun.
Now i have 2 questions
How do overlords/ sinner demons get power exactly
And what could be the power limit for them
Sinners acquire power through contracts
The limit of power of sinners is not yet known
@@guilhermepupo2840 you mean deals
@@supersauron1239 did someone say deals?
@@ozyisgoated so , if you make a deal with someone and both of you do your part, i can only guess that you, mr alastor, acquire power?
It seems lilith is the one who runs the show while lucifur fucks around with his projects like lu lu world and random rubber ducks it's probably why he's such good friends with alastor he enjoys entertainment just like him
Haahahaha, reading this with the info we have no, Alastor and Lucifer as friends is so funny. But why tf does Alastor even want Charlie from Lucifer so bad.
What about the Kingpins? They are sandwiched in between Overlords and sinners.
Wait, so if Lucifer is the circus ring leader, Mammon is a clown, and Ozzie is (because of the mane) a lion, then the rest of the princes might be circus themed.
In the intro of hazbin hotel during the song, there is a horned character who stands with a silhouette that looks like Lucifer. That could be Satan honestly.
Or Lucifer's "Fallen" form? We know Charlie has another form.
I think Satan is above Lucifer, and Satan is ruler of Hell. Lucifer is only King of Pride Ring
@@Mirartium736 actually, you might be righf
@@Mirartium736 Killjoy refers to Charlie as daughter of "HELL'S head honcho." though.
@@Chokah Yes, but after pilot a lot of things changed, for example: the nine circles of hell that Katie mentions changed to seven rings. The creators could choose a diffrent direction after the pilot. For example:
Satan-The Emperor of all Rings.
Lucifer-King of Pride Ring
Mammon-King of Greed Ring.
Asmodeus-King of Lust Ring.
Leviathan-King of Envy Ring
Azazel-King of Wrath Ring
Beelzebub-King of Gluttony Ring
Belphegor-King of Sloth Ring.
Likewise, The Purge that follows the Pilot that takes place throughout Hell, now only happens in Pride Ring which is managed by the Magne Family
So, What role would other fallen angels play in the hierarchy? (Not just Lucifer but others)
Is that a thing?
We see that there are cherubs and angels in heaven,
Do Angels and/or cherubs fall, that would be cool
I imagine them being above the sinners and below the overlords
Or
Maybe they’d be between Overlords and Goetia
Like fallen angels have a level of prestige so overlords can’t touch them.
(Maybe even though they fell, they have certain ties with heaven)
For the record, I have an OC named Tueful
She’s a fallen high angel who is a bit of a celebrity in hell.
She’s really quiet and creepy. But she’s mostly harmless
She fell to hell for killing a human who tried to harm children
well it would depend on what type of angel right?
@@am_Nein yeah,
I imagine fallen cherubs would be below sinners
While high angels are above sinners
Archangels would be really high class
I mean, Lucifer himself is an angel. Angels have dominion over demons according to the creator, so they would rank very high indeed.
@@sweethysteria8737 not really, the cherubim are below the seraphim (that is, they are the 2 strongest in heaven, just because they look harmless does not make them less powerful)
I don't know her but I already like her, girly quite literally sacrificed her position to protect a child and I respect her for that.
It is worth noting Stolas is a prince in the goetia and Vivian implied that Alastor is near him in strength (though nine times out of ten the fight would go to Stolas.) This would put Alastor at the rank of a Goetic Marquis/lesser Prince.
Additionally, if one goes by the goetia and what's known within it, Bael is probably also exceedingly powerful, as he's the chief ranking King of the Goetia. This means that he may be higher in the pecking order than Asmodeus who is a deadly prince as well as Goetic king (though his status as a deadly prince may supersede that.)
Lastly despite being a lower ranked King than Bael and Asmodeus, Paimon is described as first in loyalty before Lucifer so even if raw power doesn't place him above the other two his political connections and soft power may be an important factor.
Amaymon(one of kings of Hell) is above Asmodeus
@@Mirartium736 Trying to use the Ars Goetia and the established lore to try and build the theoretical scale of power.
@@idigamstudios7463 it's possible Asmodeus used to be or is also a Goetic Demon. If you noticed, his goetic sigil appears in his club during Episode 7. But that's clearly secondary to his position as one of the seven rulers of Hell.
cant wait for episode 1 of hazbin hotel to come out
i heard its coming out in a few weeks idk if that's true though
Wow, it really does sound silly doesn’t it. So many fans, fan art, lore, music videos, other shows and the original series has yet to release its first fucking episode.
@@alwest4472 That just tells you how good that pilot was.
:0 the Ars Goetia-! Containing all the demons that Solomon apparently made a pact with… love how they (probably) did their research on this topic.
I noticed that some of the weapons IMP has in their arsenal are human made and demon made and the weapons that Stryker had was angel made. This means they have connections to earth, hell and heaven to get the latest fire power.
Anyone else have that thought that demons with lesser sins are part angel and Are left to turn into the exorcist angels and slaughter as many demons close to them. I really want to just enjoy how sweet moxie is but I keep having the thought that Viv is not only setting up how different Moxie and Millie‘s relationship is but also either for one of them to die/seriously hurt or one of them to have angel in them. Mostly likely moxie
frrr
Luci is a circus enthusiast.. he owns Lu lu World and he also likes musicals like Charlie… Charlie also likes the circus so it runs in the family
Lilith usually is the first wife of Adam and the first ever demon in folklore….
In this continuity she’s just Lucifer’s wife..
I wonder if we see or at least hear something about the seven (heavenly) virtues in Heaven. It's the opposite of the Seven Deadly Sins and the virtues are:
-prudence
-justice
-temperance
-courage
-faith
-hope
-charity/love.
That would be so awesome. I love how she takes real things, theories and creatures for her hell and heaven, this two series are so awesome. It's also great animated, has awesome voice actors and beautiful stories.
frr
Charlie is literally the daughter of Lucifer Magne, so just under him in the hierarchy.
Soooo Katie Killjoy (a sinner) don't exist anymore after what she did to Charlie, right?
If not, I don't see how Lucifer can impose respect at this point. Or he just don't care at all about his daughter... which I think it's the case actually.
Maybe he just has a very "hands-off" method of parenting and wants her to prove she can do well without his help. I assume the other demons get away with putting Charlie through their BS without fear of being attacked/assassinated/tortured/incinerated/sent to Brazil bc they know she's been left to her own devices by now, and even if she could do so, she doesn't want to use force or intimidation to get what she wants.
One group is missing and it's the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse. Why such a group does not existed? If they do, where are they?
I think this video said in itself about how the society of the Sith Empire founded by Darth Vitiate functioned. Here's what I thought of so far for the comparison:
1 The Royal Family = The Sith Emperor
2 Seven Deadly Sins = The Dark Council
3 The Overlords = Sith Lords
4 Four Horsemen of Apocalypse = The Dread Masters
5 Sinners = Imperial citizens of human and Sith origins
6 Imps and Hellhounds = Imperial citizens of alien origins
The only lacking elements at the moment are the equivalent roles of the Emperor's Wrath and the Emperor's Voice in Hell, who I personally called as the King's Vengeance and the King's Speaker respectively.
we need an updated version of this
There is no updated version of this? This is still the current ranking system.
Imagine manifesting into hell and just get killed later by an excorcist 💀
It's all fun and games till Satan takes off that old cloak to show that he's buff as all heck
Yo imagine if satan was the red guy from cow & chicken. The voice actor is still active
It's cool to see this right after the season finale just came out. Now we can see how much was accurate to what is currently out.
I feel like Alastor isn't the most powerful (which has been confirmed) but he Is probably the most dangerous and unpredictable.. literally the perfect example of a demon in the show compared to the others. Definitely seems pretty fucking smart too if not the smartest demon we've seen so far besides stolas's book knowledge, but I don't think he has much street and psychological knowledge like Alastor. I bet he'd easily kill off every overlord if he wanted to find a way to do so but that's not his motivation. Power itself isn't everything, it's like David and Goliath. If there's a will there's a way. I mean he's already associated himself with Charlie who is allegedly more powerful then the 6 other deadly sins already. MAJOR major power move. If he plays his cards right he just got a one up on the deadly sins which should be impossible to him (not by himself obviously).
Edit: plus he has plot armor, there's no way they'd kill off that character. He's the fan favorite so far.
One thing very interesting is that the Ars Goetia irl actually includes Asmodeus, because the Lesser Key of Solomon and Binsfeld’s classification of demons are two separate interpretations of demonology. Having said that, I wonder what the 72nd member of the Vivzieverse Ars Goetia would be, since Asmodeus is already one of the seven Princes. I mean, the Lesser Key technically uses an alternative name, Asmoday, so maybe in the Vivzieverse Asmodeus and Asmoday could be two different but related demons, with one being a Demon Prince and the other being a Goetic demon
Ended up being right about Asmodeus
Also, didn't a sinner go to imp city to hire the I.M.P.s in an episode of helluva boss?
Imp city is in the pride ring.
I literally explained that IMP city is in the pride ring.
@@deepcut7788 I'm sorry I guess I missed that
@@deepcut7788 Maybe I read this wrong, but that didn't seem like a very kind response.
@@jeepersitsmeepers
He said nothing rude 😂
This is amazing 😊
Wow, I was just thinking about rewatching some of your videos and you post another! Love when that happens. Hope you’re doing great!
Earthborn sinners probably have power over hellborn ones because they were created by god- Lucifer has immediate power over all due to being once a heavenly creature, earthborn sinners probably function the same way
I never thought about this till now but lilith might be the very first sinner
she isn’t, it was eve
I think Alastor's power rests on three things: raw infernal voodoo magic, dominance over radio (not that it matters given Vox's control over television counting for more these days), and pure psychopathic chutzpah.
Maybe the latter more than anything. One is left with a sense that he has little to no respect for Hell's hierarchy, it's laws, or names. He thinks nothing of addressing Charlie with familiarity. Yes she has little respect from others, but being Lucifer's daughter still confers much. Probably why 666 news would even bother to accept using her filler; that cannibal cooking slot could have been literally filled by anything. Even if she is a joke to them, Lucifer isn't. One can't imagine Lucifer would take kindly if anyone actually refused her or harmed her.
But Alastor? He doesn't give two flying fucks that she is Lucifer's daughter. He acts more like a skeptical but supportive big brother. He is literally fearless, and that fearlessness likely is why he is so powerful. He might even be able to visit the other rings at his leisure, strong enough to overcome any barrier that would bar most sinners.
Is he as strong as Lucifer and the others? Doubtful, but probably strong enough to be on the radar as someone to be concerned about. Even an Overlord Sinnwr with strength approaching the weakest of the Ars Goetia would be cause for concern. Couple that with his disregard for rules and rank, he is at least someone even the great princes need to at least be mildly concerned. Let me remind you of the fact he was punching above his weight FROM DAY ONE in Hell. Who knows how strong he is now...now couple that with his psychopathic disregard for rules and rank. The only reason he hasn't been bumped off already is likely because he has no interest in challenging the powers that be, and because he is a source of entertainment for Lucifer himself. Useful too, as his presence serves as a check on the ambitions of Overlords, Sinner or Hellborn. Instead of entertaining ideas about challenging the blue bloods, they're more worried about Alastor.
Probably several kinds of wrong.
Can anyone explain how we know SO much about Hazbin Hotel when there’s only one single episode. There’s nothing else
Helluva boss and interviews?
@@noel2641 but that’s a completely different show
@@cameronmeetze8153 they both still take place in the same place, and has the same lore...
@@noel2641 shouldn’t we have seen the Hazbin Hotel characters by now then? Also where tf is Hazbin Hotel episodes?? We’ve gotten 7 Helluva Boss episodes but only one Hazbin Hotel
@@cameronmeetze8153 you can literally see Charlie on loonas screen at a point, and helluva boss was specifically written to give us lighter insight into the going ons in hell, hazbin will be coming after the series finishes. Also there is multiple references to hazbin hotel, not to mention they both literally will be sharing certain characters such as the rulers of the sin rings, and Lucifer. the creator herself literally told us so?
Lucifer straight up just clowned the entire population of hell
Dude those exorcists angels are seriously lit like bro 😧😧
“you singin’ love songs in my lustful lounge?”
As of three weeks ago we finally saw mammon in the show and it makes since why he the king of greed
I have a theory that Charlie and Lucifer are hurt less when someone hits either of them with an angelic weapon it will hurt them less because they are half angel.
Love how the strongest demon in hell is probably one of the shortest sins
I think Mammon is the smallest based off the outline I’ve seen of him, I have seen any other sins tho (besides ones that have appeared in the show but he’s shorter than Beelzebub and Asmodeus) so Satan, Leviathan or Belphegor could be shorter
i wonder if we will ever see lucifers brothers, Would be pretty funny if they were part of the extermination crew and they go down there to taunt him for staying in hell.
Lucifer/Charlie/Lilith - Imperial Family
The Seven Sins - Royalty
Ars Goetia - High and Low Nobility
Overlords - Bourgeois
Sinners - Citizens (“Free Men”)
The Hellborn - Servants (Vassalage)
The Imps and Hellhounds - Vassals too, but are seen more as slaves
I believe it is more or less like that, at least the social perception of each caste
This is my own version with comparison with the Sith Empire from Star Wars: The Old Republic.
1 The Royal Family = The Sith Emperor
2 Seven Deadly Sins = The Dark Council
3 The Overlords = Sith Lords
4 Four Horsemen of Apocalypse = The Dread Masters
5 Sinners = Imperial citizens of human and Sith origins
6 Imps and Hellhounds = Imperial citizens of alien origins
The only lacking elements at the moment are the equivalent roles of the Emperor's Wrath and the Emperor's Voice in Hell, who I personally called as the King's Vengeance and the King's Speaker respectively.
By the way, how do you guys think the Demons in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss deal with the idea of being accused of creating the Titans according to Marley? You all know what I am talking about if you guys know about Attack on Titan. But the point is who among them will happily take credits for what they did not do and who among them will take offense of such an accusation?
P.S: How much possible it is for the Demons of Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss to stand a chance against the likes of Chainsaw Man and Ghost Rider?
@@lerneanlion Hang on! Are there Four Horsemen in the Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel universe? I mean, they're God's creatures, but I don't think they're angels or demons. They are more like entities that personify phenomena (Pestilence, War, Famine and Death).
@@dllps Nope. But Christian Europe seemed to portray them in negative lights to the point that they are little to no different from demons now. I mean, the Christians during the 16th century were portraying one of the Four Horsemen as a Turk to symbolizing the supposed unstoppable conquest of the Ottoman Empire said a lot. According to Martin Luther's view, he believed the Turks were sent by God to punish the Church of Rome at the time for actions such as selling letters of indulgence and simony.
I'm watching this after episode 7 and Asmodeous design is awesome
Charlie is pretty calm even though she's the princess of hell, this could mean that she's (possibly) quite powerful instead of looking aggressive, she's nice.
TFW ep 7 dropped and Asmodeus is 100% confirmed to be the big guy with 3 heads xD
UPDATE: all overlords are sinners who collected many souls, alestor's power comes from souls he has inherited, stolen or made deals for in his time as a killer (we can know that he was actively trying to gain power through gaining souls as Rosie gives him advice on where to find some in S1 E7 of Hazbin). Also sinners do appear to be able to reproduce though it is as of yet unclear.
they cant reproduce
Imagine selling a VPN as something that actually protects your data from tracking companies
in the song it says "your demon host, Asmodeus, the embodiment of lust." implying that "big Ozzie" is Asmodeus.
Right cause I was confused, isnt Ozzie ASMODEUS 😂??
My theory is that Stolis is the prince of wrath because he is dealt with the Harvest Moon festival in wrath. Asmodeus calls Stolis the prince.
Stolas is a goetia demon, he isn't a prince of hell, he doesn't even live in wrath.
The fact that hellborns, imps and hellhounds, most of the people who pretty much were born in Hell, are the least powered and constantely made fun of, while the Sinners, who are not even original residents of Hell, are incredible powerful and influential is very unfair, but, that is Hell, a place designed for punishment, so that must be the point. Lol
Sorry I accidentally hit the dislike button 😅
Because humans have souls. That is the reason Lucifer overthrew God was because he was jealous that humans are able to have souls while his fellow angels do not.
Plus your forgetting something hellborns can die sinners are already dead so they are immortal
I'm pretty sure alister is a overlord because of the opposite of nepotism, he just seemed extremely threatening, so maybe he sits lower down so he isn't seen as a threat to the higher beings
6:37 wow the son think really did die after the ep was out still whould have been awasom to see if was his son
To me, it does not matter if you are from a royal bloodline or not. I bet if a prince like Paimon will battle with Charlie, Charlie's gonna get rekt. There are plenty of powerful "goetia princes" who can rival Lucifer in terms of power. But then, this is Vivziepop's story she and her team are the only ones that can write what is canon in the story regardless of the canon mythology.
is alastor actually into voodoo? and is he depicted as someone who can do that? i find it so weird n microaggressive that an AA magic system is being used as the main system one of the most evil characters in the show so far is using
i think he is, he mentions of his mother's jambalaya (which originates from South Louisiana where voodoo is commonly used) and that at the end when he crushes Sir Pentious's airship we can see some blood come out of his hand.
It would've been better if it was from the bottom to the top like from Imps to the prince of darkness himself or hellborns being above sinners but below overlords
Thing is though: Asmodeus is part of the Goetia (Lesser Key of Solomon), as is Beelzebub. So, it’s possible that Lucifer is the complete forefather of Hell’s royalty.
Based on some lower demons that you can see in episode 7 of helluva boss I think they might be going for more of a blend of Sathanas and Baphomet as the prince of wrath
Funny coincidence that we got to see a deadly sin in helluva boss this past week
Looks like he was wrong about the big guy from the HB trailer not being Asmodeus, because episode 7 reveals that it IS Asmodeus.
Im gonna guess alastor totally has a monopoly on radio, cause whos gonna compete with him?
Me coming to see if Stolas out ranks Asmodeus after the last episode
He doesn't, Asmodeus is 1 rank above him 😭
@@deadlysilence7474 yeah because he's one of the 7 princes of hell
"Lucifer sees hell as one giant circus"
So... Hell is a joke?
What the Hell?
Idk man he just made it for entertainment or something
something ive been wondering is why do so many people seem to talk down to charlie? if she is the daughter of lucifer and basically higher up in the social pyramid thatn everyone else, then why do people like katie the reporter basically make fun of her publicly? we saw with stolas in helluva boss ep 7 that he was able to get into ozzies just because he was higher in the social pyramid and people respected him, so why do people not respect charlie when she is even more sophisticated than stolas?
Girlllll there are criminal they have their own don't respect people thing . They don't respect Lucifer they scare d of him . Do you really think they gonna respect charlie with that kind of personality . You should lister to vivzipop Livestream on her channel
Yeah, what Samsung said. She's a pushover haha
Because they know Charlie won't use her power
Power can be subjective. It could be political pull, money, or all the bad juju. However, even an imp with a shotgun can be dangerous. As with Sir Pentious with his big bang blimp, who thought he was on par with Alastor, and even rivals only for him to be cruelly reminded that there are things in hell more powerful than technology.
Did you know that the spider like demon drinking wine is beelzebub the prince of gluttony
Then who's the woman at 0:28
@@coreyshackelford4752 donknow yet