Why Knife Companies SHOULD Refund Money | #1 Knife Myth Busted
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- Batonning... it's a controversial topic! Many knife companies don't give any warranty for knife failure related to batonning. Maybe this is because they'd never know what kind of crazy piece of wood you just batonned. However, in our opinion a good knife should be able to take 'normal' batonning of knotless wood. Remember la Cantina? They make beauitiful knives... pieces of art but until now they were not full tang. Not anymore! They have produced a big ass yet beautiful chopper with which you can baton until your hearts content! A beautiful opportunity to debunk the knife myth!
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I broke a William Collins knife batoning, he replaced it with no questions asked, he knew it was from me batoning aussie hard wood, try Baton something harder than pine guys, see how it goes then.
Thats why I dont baton, unless im using some euro wood, most gums are hard af, thats why i have an axe and hatchet.
@@MatthewLancaster01 i was building a rocket stove and that put the harmonic crack in the steel, went to use it and the tiny job it was doing, that was enough to finish it off, I made a stove with the SK and his NK, it was the NK Neck Knife that broke, I took it past its limit, don't recommend it with small blades.
William Collins is one of the best bladesmith/knifemakers in the U.S. right now....
Im currently trying to buy one, but they sell out instantly. They are truly a masterpiece.
@@sticksnstonespatriot1728 i have 2 of 7 matched set SK and NK combos, numbers 05 and 17, had my 3rd SK arrive 4 weeks ago in AEBL.
My Gator first run arrived today, I now have 13 of his knives and 2 prototypes, plus one he made especially for my group that was a one of a kind, he's a true gentleman and one of the best makers i know, his quality is second to none.
Hope you can add one to your collection, I'll be in his October sale 😉🐾🐾🥃
@@sticksnstonespatriot1728 i have 2 of 7 matched set SK and NK combos, numbers 05 and 17, had my 3rd SK arrive 4 weeks ago in AEBL.
My Gator first run arrived today, I now have 13 of his knives and 2 prototypes, plus one he made especially for my group that was a one of a kind, he's a true gentleman and one of the best makers i know, his quality is second to none.
Hope you can add one to your collection, I'll be in his October sale 😉🐾🐾🥃
Bark river stood by their warranty for me. Gunny rampless, it came with a uneven gring, which i screwed up more trying to fix, sent it back had it corrected back in my hands in 3 weeks total. I dont known others issues but they did right by me.
This whole channel is proof that knives can take batonning. But this video tops it all off!
Great video as usual!!
@Hates Spam Indeed! Even with European or American hardwoods, if you use a thin or weak knife it won't survive. I can only imagine what the woods in your neck of thee woods must be like, though. Wow!
What I'm getting at is that the call from some American bushcrafters to "never" baton with a knife is an oversimplification.
I cut my hand a few months back - nice and deep 🤣 5 stitches, gallons of blood, loss of feeling for two weeks.....but it was a very sharp knife and now I can't even see the scar.
I was drilling a tang for corby bolts - putting all my weight on the drill because the damn cobalt knife was super hard - and the drill bit snapped.
2 days later Kevlar gloves and a pillar drill arrived at home.
You get to choose your own level of risk - I don't live wrapped in cotton wool but I sure don't want to loose digits through playing with knives like an idiot.
Thankfully I'm in Europe so fixing my hand cost zero.
Don't use your gloves on the pillar / pedestal drill.
Rule of (keeping your) thumb: Handheld tool? Gloves. Freestanding tool? No gloves, no long sleeves, no loose clothing.
like others here I have cut fingers/hand and even my tendon on my toe (never cut stuff in bare feet folks)…one lesson my local Emergency Hospital told last time was…”because the knife was so sharp it’s a cleaner cut and will heal much better’..so if your gonna cut yourself (by accident of course) make sure its with a sharp knife!
I severed both flexor tendons of my left index finger one year ago with a knife... That wasn't super funny, indeed : six weeks of immobilization upto the elbow, six rehabilitation sessions per day for like 4 months, and probably life-lasting consequences in mobility. Take car of your fingers, folks...
At least you have all your fingers still attached!!! #stayawayfrommeatgrinders!!!
I cut the inside of my middle finger with an axe while handling it, took about a month and a half to be able to go back to work, had to go to physiotherapy and still can't completely close my finger
fruits and fasting will heal you completely... look up robert morse and change your life to the better :)
How did it happen?
@@gilbertopadilla3611 The dumbest way (but as the surgeon told me, it's always like that). I had the bad habit to let folders open here and there. First sunday of hollydays, very tired, I just wanted to move one because it was bothering me. I was walking with it in my hands, looking in front of me and I felt a sudden pain.
I guess I touched the edged after a bad move and the pain made me grab it even more, as I didn't see it happen. I watched my finger and saw a white thing along it, into a deep cut. I would learn next day, during emergency surgery, that it was the 10% remaining of my deep flexor tendon : the superficial one was completely severed, and went back into my palm...
I try to be more responsible with it now.
6:41 You can tell by one look, his dad is a man of culture.
Another great video. Another reason Fridays are great is watching this at my lunch break knowing I have only to teach two lessons then it's the weekend! Time for beer and bushcraft.
Best part of this video was the epic cameo from Martens dad. 😆🤣😂
How to produce firewood and get a nice video at the same time -love it! 😀
On any knife manufacturer meeting:
1:Why we dont give them warranty on batonning?
2:*DBK BK9 video*
1:Ok
Great video. It’s so annoying when people say that you shouldn’t baton with a knife. There are many different tools that are good for splitting wood, and a good knife can definitely be one of them.
Looking forward to See your test of the Fällkniven R2 Scout
You guys should review a knife from LT Wright. The genesis knives are great. My favorite is the Gen 5. And his warranty DOES cover batoning!
Absolutely love mine. I agree give them a try as well as onevof Dave Canterbury's knives. They are under a hundred bucks and you did a bear griylls and a lilly knofe .try daves out for us ba$tards
No warranty will help you when your out in the deep woods and you need your knife. Don’t listen to this crap.
@@bensnider1581 Ok Rambo, lmao
I have the big Larry and the Larry Roberts/Burton 52100 limited edition, he makes some sweet blades.
You guys crack us all up. Thanks for the laughs
The Hultafors GK you can even baton with a steel hammer as shown on the package it comes in. I think in most cases it's not that they are afraid the knife will break but about the liability in case someone hurts him/herself whilst batoning. Like Maarten did (get well soon). Most of all in the USA people can sue companies for really big amounts of money for all kinds of crazy stuff. They can be sued for making the coffee to hot. Microwave manuals tell you it's not for drying your cat in and car manuals tell you not to drink the battery liquid, etc. So they discourage batoning by not making it a warranted way of using the knife in case of a lawsuit. Not because of replacing a knife.
About that (in)famous "crazy" "too hot coffee" lawsuit - here is some of the evidence the jury heard during the trial:
- McDonald’s quality assurance manager testified that McDonald’s coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured into Styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn the mouth and throat.
- McDonald’s operations manual required the franchisee to hold its coffee at 180 to 190 degrees Fahrenheit.
Coffee at that temperature, if spilled, *causes third-degree burns in three to seven seconds*. [A third degree burn destroys the entire depth of skin, and often penetrates into the flesh / muscles / tendons underneath]
- McDonald’s admitted it had known about the risk of serious burns from its scalding hot coffee for more than 10 years. The risk had repeatedly been brought to its attention through numerous other claims and suits.
- The chairman of the department of mechanical engineering and biomechanical engineering at the University of Texas testified that this risk of harm is unacceptable, as did a widely recognized expert on burns, the editor-in-chief of the Journal of Burn Care and Rehabilitation, the leading scholarly publication in the specialty.
- An expert witness for the company testified that the number of burns was insignificant compared to the billions of cups of coffee the company served each year.
- At least one juror later told the Wall Street Journal she thought the company wasn’t taking the injuries seriously.
- To the corporate restaurant giant those 700 injury cases caused by hot coffee seemed relatively rare compared to the millions of cups of coffee served. But, the juror noted, “there was a person behind every number and I don’t think the corporation was attaching enough importance to that.”
- McDonald’s admitted at trial that consumers were unaware of the extent of the risk of serious burns from spilled coffee served at McDonald’s then-required temperature.
- McDonald’s admitted it did not warn customers of the nature and extent of this risk and could offer no explanation as to why it did not.
www.caoc.org/?pg=facts
@@preacherjohn That one of those cases that my opinion changed on as I learned more about. I had heard about it for years but first read up on it years ago and did a 180 on my take.
Kevlar gloves for both of you crazy guys. You’ve got to have two good hands to play guitar affectively and you’ve got to have two hands to do whatever dangerous things Maarten does with his hands. I think everything he does turns out to be dangerous. 👍🏻
Wasn’t prepared for Maarten’s dad to glide across my screen doing that 😂 what a legend
I was batonning with a Jessmuk Jx2 a couple years back with wood very similar to you guys were using...CPM 3v---it snapped on the first crack. Yes LT Wright made me another knife I even showed them the wood and the video that it happened on. Not all Knife Companies are bad at replacing broken blades....SHOUT OUT TO LT WRIGHT.
LT Wright does EVERYthing right, love their knifes and service
First time watcher, great stuff, subbed, liked. All the best from Ontario,Canada,
Man i really do look forward to all your videos! Thank you
„Heavy?“
„Very happy!“
„This guy is a little bit deaf.“
Lmao 🤣
“Hey Maarten do you want to do a video on how safe and effective batoning is?!”
“Why yes Mickey that sounds great!”
👀
Esee also has an unconditional warranty, which they are notorious for honoring. Though they use 1090 steel...
@@Racoon209 right, 1095. I was close
@@usernick8928 funny thing is when they honor it they will call you a dumbass, if it was a stupid reason!!! Then they put the broken one with it's story on the wall of shame!!!
@@usernick8928 but they absolutely will honor it!!!
I know this is years later, but I appreciate the seriousness in which you treated the cut and giving information about what you did. It was handled in a mature way it was assessed, treated and not as a joke or a machismo contest.
Hello from Canada. Knife bros across the sea unite. 🇨🇦
Always love hearing bark River mentioned because it’s right down the street from me. you’re videos are the best new camera looking good.
great Video again guys and thanks for the support of Tools for Gents👍💪😎🤝
Cheers Ricci!!
@@DutchBushcraftKnives yes cheers .)
@@DutchBushcraftKnives HOW IS YOUR DAMAGED HAND NOW?
I REALLY DESTROYED A BARK RIVER 2 TIMES.THE FIRST THEY DIDNT CARE WHAT HAPPENED AND REPLACED IT QUICKLY WITH NO HASSLE OR BS.NOT 1 QUESTION.
THE SECOND WAS NO LONGER PRODUCED.I GOT A CALL THE DAY IT MADE IT TO BARK RIVER HEAD QUARTERS "DAVID, WE NO LONGER PRODUCE THIS AND HAVE NONE AROUND.MIKE (THE OWNER) SAID PICK OUT WHATEVER YOU WANT TO REPLACE IT." IT CAME (IN MY CASE THAT EXACT TIME...THIS MAY VARY) 3 DAYS LATER
I OWN AND HAVE OWNED MANY BARK RIVERS,ALL PERFORMED AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL.
THE ONLY THING THEY DO NOT COVER IS IF A BADGER USES YOUR KNIFE AND HURTS IT ( REALLY)(ASK)
FANTASTIC VID AS ALWAYS.
**WHAT WAS THAT WIERD FOOD YOU GAVE MIK? (BRODJIE BAKPAO ?????)
SEMPER FI
GUNNY
I put several of those self stick stitches in my first aid because I am aware of my frail attention span.
I had my little Jones done in full tang! Will absolutely be using it as a woods knife and waiting on my Dark side which will also be a full tang! Omg the best customer service I’ve ever encountered! Also did anyone see where they placed the last little Jones in the snow ? Go back and watch the video !
Cool knive. Everyone that handles a knive gets bitten every once in a while. I have had a couple nasty cuts.
Great job with the debunk.
A few months ago I would have contradicted you. In over 20 years no injuries. But this summer I had an Opinel slip and inflict a deep cut in my finger. I was really tired and exhausted and needed to cut two tent stakes fast because bad weather was coming in. The Opinel was the wrong tool for the job. Much went wrong that day and I have a pretty thick and visible scar left to remind me to not rush things with sharp tools even when the situation requires swift action.
In Germany we say:
Wo gehobelt wird fallen Späne.
Wish the best for Marten.
…aber besser nicht die Sehne.
Same in dutch. "waar gehakt wordt vallen spaanders"
@@vetteheino funny, didnt know that 😄
@@marcelhoffmann6843 So ist es 😉
Cool video, you could also mention how dead trees are dangerous to the people and animals walking in the forest. We take many dead trees down on our property to keep them from falling on us, when hiking.
As a kid, my dad drove that "never baton with a knife" myth into my head over and over. In hindsight, this is probably because we always carried military surplus KaBars (which DBK has proven aren't particularly durable) and because we rarely ventured far enough away from camp to make carrying an axe a big problem. But once I had proper full-tang knives and choppers like the Skrama, I changed my tune. Sure, when I'm splitting cord wood at home for the wood stove, a splitting maul or large axe is my go-to. But in that situation, I have a solid stump at the proper height and I'm not lugging a 6lb tool around for miles. When I'm in the woods on an overnight hike/camp, I find batoning to be far easier and safer for prepping firewood - provided that I have a full tang knife, gloves, and I pause before every baton swing to be sure all of my favorite body parts are clear of danger. Any full-tang knife worth a darn should cover batoning under warranty.
100% agree!
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Verdomd, went 3 weeks without internet, I missed you f@ckers!!
Randall Made knives says that Batoning voids it. Fact is they can baton day and night and are fine but the spacers the handle is attached with will soften and fail if any oil gets on them as well they are temperature sensitive.
As I sit here with a knife related bandaid on my thumb for two weeks now, probably my 10th across 40 years, I’ve become amused by how many knife youtubers/facebook/forum people show up with bandaids on their fingers… sometimes no bandaid at the start of the video but one shows up on them before it ends.
nice video again!!and beautiful knife,it is also very beautifull that bugout,very nice,you could make a video about it,it would be great!! keep going dudes,and i am waitting for that zippo👍
Sorry about your hand!! That is a beautiful knife!
Ok I subbed. Now how really do you cut the top of your knife holding hand while batonning ?
My Casstrom SFK 10 was batoned to death. Rivets crept out and it all fell apart. Casstroms helped me out, and my next one had micarta handles instead of oak. It’s not going to die anytime soon.
How will they know you were batoning? Just tell them you were cutting a log.
I have the same cut is cut on the same spot spot but I did Nick the tendon a bit with a Benchmade bug out While making a homemade calymba
Try the "Condor Woobuster" MUST !!!
7:08 Мы решили эту проблему самостоятельно, и через день Мартин обратился к врачу, который осмотрел рану и сказал, что наше решение было правильным! Но не рискуй, всегда будь осторожен.
(На следующий день Мартину сделали укол от столбняка)
I've camped my whole life never once did the thought of batoning a knife cross my mind from the time I was 8 years old I was taught the most important tool you could have is a hatchet
Batoning big logs has two purposes in my opinion: As a survival skill, and as a means to test the structural integrity of knives. In real life I only use Batoning to make really small pieces of wood when preparing a fire in bad conditions.
Always keep super glue in my pocket when out in the wood or a small med kit when I’m out and about whether hunting or camping or hiking cuz you never know
Can you test some of the fixed buck knifes, like the 123, 120 and the 115 or 117?
great looking knife and really great video. y'all are awesome
No frontiersman back in the old days batoned wood and they survived in the woods everyday. Soon as I hear baton I think mall ninja you tube hacks. Daniel Boone would laugh his azz off at this spectacle.
Condor is great with customer satisfaction.
That was a good video, not because Martin got sliced( hope you feel better soon) but I do think manufacturers should cover there warranty no matter what. If you press your knife into a propper survival situation and it won't be by choice, I want to know my knife will work no matter what I have to do to survive.
A lot of makers actually make knives with batoning in mind. Even on knives I wasn't sure about I wrote the makers and got the go ahead.
Is there a list of knife companies that do not warranty batoning?
You guys should review Spanish knives like the muela from Spain. They use 440 stainless but apparently the stainless is amazing!
Couple of weeks ago i pulled my garberg out of my backpack while hicking and it slipped from my right hand landing tip first on my left hand cutting the skin between my thumb and index finger. Had to get stitches but i didnt hurt at all. The doctor even told me that i was lucky the knive was sharp so it can heal much faster.
hows about doing a review on a TOPS CUT 4.0 gebruik er zelf al jaren 1 en ik vind het een meer dan ideaal mes
@Sun Tzu a sharp one haha
6:40 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Maarten’s pops FTW
Cool Video 👍
Thank U for the Info and the Links 👍
Hi guys, love your vids, can you consider reviewing the mk2 tbs boar?
Log splitting with an axe is easier. Baton with a heavy chopping machete is best.
Nice job with the first aid 👏 👌 so lucky but it shows haw the edge holds up after all the wood spitting wow please be careful next time. Love the video please 🙏 keep them coming ty lads
I have a bad scare in that exact same spot from battoning
If i had extra money id buy every knife you guys recommend FML
Top beeldje nu!! Met de nieuwe camera.
Tbh, I'm only here because I wanna know what knife that is in the thumbnail and see its full profile, because I really like the profiling and tip geometry that I can see so far.
Personally, I make my own.
So if I do something dumb and break it, I have only myself to blame when I have to make another one.
make your own is the only solution these days.. too much crap out there
I hate that profile. How do you sharpen this wavey crazy piece every time? No, not mine.
@@Bobby_Digital_23 by learning how to free hand sharpen with skill. It's not hard to do, no worse than a kukri.
@@Wildwestwrangler you mean by sharpen with a round sharpeningstone???
Need a video on the Fallkniven R2 Scout. A non-laminate Elmax blade from Fallkniven!?
I have the knife. Not sure if we'll cover it though. So far I like it!
I want that knife... could not find the price. Anyone have an idea?
Was that Micky doing a Christopher walken impression. Hahahaha I love these guys. Also can you guys review the LT Wright genesis in 3v. They do a scandi and a convex.
Is making out with your knife covered by the warranty?
Mikki, I remember when you had a full head of hair. Maarten never had a chance. Don't hide it man, it's okay.
Maarten, those big bowie knives stick out past the wood there brother! You are used to a 4" knife. You almost got away this time, lucky you didn't chop your tendon.
Oof. I cut the knuckle joint of my left hand down to the tendon like that with a Mora HD Companion. Though my accident happened because of a damn goat jumpin onto me. 🤣
I guess what I’m sayin here is, Maarten, I’m glad you’re ok.
I broke my custom Hazen knife batoning a 3" piece of pine. I had a large chopper with me, and i should have been using that, but it's not the cool thing to do. Now I'm out 200 bucks. I def won't be doing that anymore. 6" blade and shorter- no beat on.
I have nearly the exact cut on my left hand! I nicked the tendon!😖
I was on my toes the whole time waiting for the incident. Not the most relaxing video :d but still good job :) and thank you for sharing how it happened , it may prevent someone else from making the same mistake.
I saw Maarten's hand all bandaged up last week when he was upside down in the chair and wondered what the hell he did. I can see myself doing the same thing.
Gonna send Y’all some chain type butchers type gloves and some zip stitch’s.
Ouch! Bro… gotta be careful 😅
Glad it wasn’t worse, stay safe guys
- are those “knife /cut proof” gloves? Might be a good investment if not 😎
Something about that song by Pjopen reminds me of They Might Be Giants
You should be more careful when using a sharp lump of wood! !! ! (Don’t look at the picture) I said don’t look!, I am always very careful no wait DOH! Stay safe and healthy you two absolute cracking pieces of work 😂 have a beautiful day both 😘👍✌️
That’s the only way to split wood when my brothers and father and I are back country hiking and camping, even a light hatchet adds more weight than you want to carry. Having a good knife is literally life or death when you’re a hundred miles from help. I didn’t realize splitting wood this way was called “batoning” or “baton”. But interesting video, and thank you!
I'd recommend practicing with wedges if you're not already familiar, a lot better when you have more than a few small pieces to split. Easier on your essential tools and more efficient for larger pieces. Mors covers some of the basics here.
m.th-cam.com/video/uvlmsH0IFT4/w-d-xo.html
@@chloedemeter5473 thank you 🙏
Do a frost cutlery bowie knife of your choice
Hello. What knife is that at the thumbnail?
Happens every time I walk in the door with piece of duct tape wrapped around my finger.
"What happened Dad?"
"I cut myself."
"How?"
"How the hell do you think? Playing with my knife."
I did that sharpening my butcher knife it went deep and hit the bone in my finger!
Doctor visits for knife wounds are part of the DBK lifestyle! Now ai don’t feel so stupid about my own hand wounds.
The cut is not the best place for healing, take care Maarten!
Bark river has lifetime warranty on their knives no questions asked
Ahhhh a boo boo... As a knife maker I sometimes make silly mistakes. Trick is to miss the tendons etc. Cheap pair of cut proof gloves really help.
When handling knives this much it's going to happen. Keep em clean...and sharp....
God thats a beast of a knife
I'm 74 years old and all the years I spent camping never once did I have to split a piece of wood to make a fire.
Be safe!! Have fun, but be safe. Martian’s fingers are not cover by nature’s warranty, if he damages them too badly, he won’t be getting them back.
IF your baton is a metal hammer or bar or something along those lines, then yes, the manufacturer should not warrantee your actions. BUT, if you baton with something softer than the steel, a properly heat treated knife should be able to baton forever with no consequences. OTHER than possible edge damage from knots, depending on the steel. ALSO, I would Not recommend doing such with any stainless steel knives because well, SS sucks and is typically too hard for really heavy duty batoning and even chopping. Obviously there are exceptions to these "rules" but not many.
Wait... y'all in the park!?😭😭😭
Excellent knife beautiful.
Never not go full tang lol
You guys are absolutely nuts and I love it, love you guys not your nuts...lol
Much respect from USA, BRK are made in my state 🔪🔪🔪
Please let me know what your new camera is? Thank you very much!
Its a canon c70!
@@DutchBushcraftKnives Thank you very much! You guys are awesome!
That looks deep about an inch of edge