Skopje 🇲🇰 History gone wrong | North Macedonia | vE 45
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- Walking the streets of Skopje while talking about the history of the region.
Well, I am not really sure the sculpture underneath the baroque lion represents Diogenes and the story I say about Diogenes, Alexander and the sun, to me it looks more like a sculpture about a saint (whom I wrongly thought was Diogenes), and an angel (whom I wrongly thought was Alexander the Great), but anyway, it was a good opportunity to say this story about Diogenes and Alexander.
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Obviously the sculpture underneath the lion does not represent Diogenes and Alexander (my mistake), i got carried away by my will to tell this story about Alexander and Diogenes. But anyway, it was a good excuse to tell the story of how Diogenes did not care about Alexander's help.
Cleopatra was of Greek Macedonian descent.
And Alexander The Great as well. He was Greek Macedonian.
The following letter, sent to President Obama, considering the Greekness of ancient Macedonia. It is signed by more than 370 scholars from all over the world:
“The land in question [North Macedonia], with its modern capital at Skopje, was called Paionia in antiquity. Mts. Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece) provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia [Macedonia proper, Greece] from its northern neighbor [Paionia/North Macedonia].
While it is true that the Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 BC, they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia. Likewise, for example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia.
Rather, Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least 2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is. Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks, Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc.
We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia [modern North Macedonia], who speak Slavic - a language introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek.”
(John Duffy, Professor, Department of the Classics, Harvard University USA, Antony Snodgrass, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, University of Cambridge, UK, Robin Lane Fox, University Reader in Ancient History, New College, Oxford, UK, Luigi Beschi, professore emerito di Archeologia Classica, Università di Firenze, Italy, John Dillon, Emeritus Professor of Greek, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland, R. Malcolm Errington, Professor für Alte Geschichte, Philipps-Universität, Marburg, Germany, Pontus Hellstrom, Professor of Classical archaeology and ancient history, Uppsala University, Sweden, Marion Meyer, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Vienna, Austria, Christina Leypold, Dr. phil., Archaeological Institute, University of Zürich, Switzerland, John Richard Melville-Jones, Winthrop Professor, Classics and Ancient History, University of Western Australia.)
One mistake you made was that Alexander conquered Greece, but Greece was never a unified country back then, it was a collection of city states like Thebes, Corinth, Sparta, Athens, and Macedonia and they were at war with each other, what Alexander did is he did conquer them and unify them for the invasion of Persia except Sparta.
Yeah, you are definitely right, he was actually the first one to kind of unify the Greeks, right?
@@KinoYves yes, that is why he spread Hellenic culture, Alexander had one of the best tutors in human history, Aristotle who was from Macedonia and also was a Great Greek philosopher.
Vassillis they steal only the name, Alexander and Vasil II, but from our Bulgarians they want to steal 30% of our history.
@@KinoYves No, hes father was the first who unify the Greeks. He beat Athens and Thebens in the battle of Cheironeia and then created the Panhellenic band, minus Sparta.
I’m learning so much history just reading the comments. Teachers should use them to teach history and geography, it would be so much better. Thanks Yves.
This was sooooo amazing!again thank you for such neat content!
Yesterday I just started watching your vlogs and to be honest I really like your videos man. Especially vlogs in middle east. But one thing what I feel sorry for you is not visiting the Castle of Skopje and the Old Bazaar with the part of market and around there with a lot of old mosques!
However, keep continue. You are doing very well man. 💪💪💪
You are so right 🎉
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Cleopatra was of Greek Macedonian descent.
And Alexander The Great as well. He was Greek Macedonian.
The following letter, sent to President Obama, considering the Greekness of ancient Macedonia. It is signed by more than 370 scholars from all over the world:
“The land in question [North Macedonia], with its modern capital at Skopje, was called Paionia in antiquity. Mts. Barnous and Orbelos (which form today the northern limits of Greece) provide a natural barrier that separated, and separates, Macedonia [Macedonia proper, Greece] from its northern neighbor [Paionia/North Macedonia].
While it is true that the Paionians were subdued by Philip II, father of Alexander, in 358 BC, they were not Macedonians and did not live in Macedonia. Likewise, for example, the Egyptians, who were subdued by Alexander, may have been ruled by Macedonians, including the famous Cleopatra, but they were never Macedonians themselves, and Egypt was never called Macedonia.
Rather, Macedonia and Macedonian Greeks have been located for at least 2,500 years just where the modern Greek province of Macedonia is. Exactly this same relationship is true for Attica and Athenian Greeks, Argos and Argive Greeks, Corinth and Corinthian Greeks, etc.
We do not understand how the modern inhabitants of ancient Paionia [modern North Macedonia], who speak Slavic - a language introduced into the Balkans about a millennium after the death of Alexander - can claim him as their national hero. Alexander the Great was thoroughly and indisputably Greek.”
(John Duffy, Professor, Department of the Classics, Harvard University USA, Antony Snodgrass, Professor Emeritus of Classical Archaeology, University of Cambridge, UK, Robin Lane Fox, University Reader in Ancient History, New College, Oxford, UK, Luigi Beschi, professore emerito di Archeologia Classica, Università di Firenze, Italy, John Dillon, Emeritus Professor of Greek, Trinity College Dublin, Ireland, R. Malcolm Errington, Professor für Alte Geschichte, Philipps-Universität, Marburg, Germany, Pontus Hellstrom, Professor of Classical archaeology and ancient history, Uppsala University, Sweden, Marion Meyer, Professor of Classical Archaeology, University of Vienna, Austria, Christina Leypold, Dr. phil., Archaeological Institute, University of Zürich, Switzerland, John Richard Melville-Jones, Winthrop Professor, Classics and Ancient History, University of Western Australia.)
Hi Kino
Just a quick note
The Old Testement in the Bible book of Daniel , mentions Alexander as a Greek Prince
Now that's from God's wording
Interesting.
Luxemburg is a province in Belgium ;-)
Thanks for all the history...very interesting! The Serbs just can't let you go. I suspect that when you get to Egypt they will make a comment claiming the first pharoh actually was Serbian ! The Serbs really got around.
Thank you very much for your comment! You made me laugh so much!!!
The Serbs can't just let go because their history is beeing stolen from them day by day,and you unknown man should have informed yourself better about it instead of trying to make a joke that doesn't make much sense.
Usualy people learn about this part of world from European literature and that one has been rewritten,and manipulated in every possible way.
It is long known that the ones who have power over history have power of the future,otherwise western European museums would have been empty instead of beeing filled up with other countries and people's belongings.
I don't mind anybody joking on our appoach to this subject,but even for a joke you need to be a bit educated and familiar about thing you're making fun of,otherise you'll make yourself look stupid.
P.S. For your information Greeks took over majority of their customs,and their culture from the people who lived in Balkan peninsula once they disembarked on shores of today's Greece,but because of certain colonial powers and their political influence it will never be known that people of Slav origins represent roots to the oldest European civilisation with is center in Balkan(Helm).
How would they try to sell us dreams of EU and its benefits if they didn't convince us that we are barbarians at first? How would they bomb us back to stone age if they didn't make our children believe that justice comes in shape of bomber airplanes?
Alexander the great with the last name of Karanovic had slavic origins and he most probably spoke multiple languages with the Greek language as his main one.
Yes we are loud when it comes to defending our identity and yes we will say what we strongly believe in even though it might hurt your but.
There is only one truth,we can't have multiple versions of it and if truth as such offends somebody I'm sorry but it like it is.
@@emilianozapata2530 thank you for putting the colors to the joke!
@@KinoYves And here you can see two main Balkan rewriting history schools, one side Bulgarians are through EU institutions legalizing bit by bit history reinterpretated facts, like officially claiming cyrilic as originally Bulgarian invention (and it appeared, ironically, on territory of modern Northern Macedonia, made by Byzantine monks to preach to the Slavic people in medieval Moravia... and Bulgars were then just Turkic tribe that just came to Balkan, with no cultural or language ties with already native Slavic people in the region...), and according to that, they tried (and probably succeed) to officialized that Bulgarian is oldest South Slavic language, etc. etc., and all is going bit by bit to that that Macedonians are Bulgarians... On the other hand, my Serbs are, with no joking at all, going 5 milenia B.C., proving that we are oldest nation on Earth and that all key figures in history were Serbians, but we still have institutions of education that can stand as wall to such nonsense, not allowing it even to look like common knowledge still :)))) But Bulgarian rewriting history will have serious political and geostrategic consequences, it is already officialized through EU institutions, and it is already going into the education system and elementary education. In the end, Bulgarian will ask of Macedonians even to change their books for elementary schools if they want in EU...
Well, sadly, sometimes rewriting History does work...
i just realised you have obito as your picture
Ichibi, nibi, boku wa tobi
Nice video, the only comment I have was that Alexander the Great never conquered the Greek City States (Polis) but rather he created; following his fathers actions; a pan-hellenic "League of Corinth", where he was elected as leader of all the Greek City States participating to invade the Persian Empire. He did not conquer the Hellenic City States, but rather convinced them to choose him as leader of a "United Hellenic Federation" called the "League of Corinth", where Sparta opted not to join.
Thank you for the correction.
Those old world statues and buildings are much older than stated.. They were created by an ancient civilization that was much more advanced than we are..12 ages are a great year (ie: 10k years) these have been around for over 10k years.. We do not fully understand our history.. We are now approaching the Age of Aquarius. The old world clocks have a small clock in the bottom corner. (two clocks) to tell the ages.
13:15 actally you are wrong my friend back in July 356 BC Pella whole Greece was owned by Philip II of Macedon and they were talking Macedonian language,Alexander mother which name was Olympias slave of Philip II Macedon she was teaching Alexander to talk Greek but he was refusing and stayed loyal with his father he also had Greek Generals in his Macedonian millitary and he was talking Macedonian so in that way they must learn Macedonian language and last but not least the Empire was Called Macedonian Empire which means if they were greek their empire would be called Greek empire and there in nowdays Greece people to wear and celebrate their names like 25% of Macedonian people
I don't agree. As Slavic people only arrived 1000 years later in the region, what was called Macedonian language at that time, was a dialect of Greek. And actually Alexander's Macedonians were the first to unify Greece. So Alexander's Macedonian language has absolutely nothing to do with Slavic Macedonian, but it was closely related to Greek.
@@KinoYves expel the Macedonian population from Greece and do not have a single monument to Philip and Alexander, if you think so, tell me why the old one (Солун) -Thessaloniki is named after Alexander's sister and is not called Alexander?
Well, about Thessaloniki, I guess they just wanted to name it like that... but also, can you explain to me why Philip II of Macedon, Alexander's father as you know, named Plovdiv "Philippopolis", obviously a Greek name, as polis means city in Greek. Surely because he was speaking a Hellenistic language and not a Slavic language.
You are now called Macedonian, and they were called Macedonian, but it does not mean that you are the same people, like Philadelphia is the ancient name of Amman in Jordan (by the way also a Hellenistic, not Slavic name inherited from Alexander), and nowadays Philadelphia is in the US, but it does not mean that nowadays Philadelphians are the sons of the original Philadelphia. Same for Memphis in ancient Egypt and in the US, and same for modern Macedonia and ancient Macedonia that are neither linked culturally nor geographically.
Aristotle was Alexander the Great teacher. And he wasn't speak Bulgarian that time believe me.
Vardaska is the real name of that New country.
@Devicitus Yves knows history and gave you the correct answer with many examples.
Let me give you some questions about "your makedonian language" claims.
You say Philip spoke Macedonian and alexanxer learned Greek from his slave mother.
1. Since when a son of a slave becomes king?
2. What is the meaning of Philipp and Alexander in "Macedonian" language.
3. You say that Greeks expelled the "Macedonian" people to the north and destroyed their monuments. Sure. They dig all north Greece and destroyed every little coin they found in "Macedonian" language. Ok. They did the same north of the border ? Why there is nowhere on Earth the smallest artifact, in "makedonian" language ?
4. Why your language is 97% the same with Bulgarian ?
Go in Wikipedia. Search for the central bank of Afghanistan. Look closely the symbol of the bank.
It is an old Macedonian coin of the time of Alexanxer. Can you understand the language on the coin ?
I CAN ! AND I AM GREEK !
Finally. Thessaloniki. What it means ? You only (and the Slavs in general) call it Солун, because you cannot read the letter Θ.
All the rest of the world pronounce Thessalonica. Even Apostle Paul wrote his Holly Letters to Thessalonians, not to the Солунианс. And it was at 70 years after the death of Christ.
Хайде момче, Христос възкресе.
И спри да мечтаеш.
he just told the truth in eight minutes and twenty seconds! Аlexander was greek but he conquered Аthens... how is that possible, he is Мacedonian and nothing else Мacedonia is separate from Greece...that is why they are mentioned separately in the Bible...Macedonians and Greeks hated each other then as they do today!!!
Thank u for your videos.
please visit North Korea next.
12:08 "The kingdom of Alexander was Macedonia and not Greece, he conquered Greece". CORRECTION: Alexanders's father, Phillip II, united all Hellenes (Greeks), voluntarily and by force, under a pan-hellenic alliance called the Hellenic League, in order to invade Persia. Greece did not exist as a country, in antiquity there were no countries. Only city-stated and kingdoms. This does not make Alexander less Hellene (Greek) that the other Hellenes. He had a Greek name, was speaking Greek and living in Pella which is in today's Greece. Skopje did not exist in antiquity, even Slavs did not exist. What we see in Skopje is a circus, nothing more.
You should tell a Macedonian that Alexandar the great is Greek he will probably bash you and tell you that you have no I’d what your talking about if his father was from Macedonia how was Alexandar from Greece ?
It's very easy, it's because the Macedonia of Alexander is now part of Greece. And Alexander was culturally Greek. As far as I know, Egypt never spoke Macedonian or a slavic language, Egypt spoke Greek after being conquered by Alexander.
What I am pointing in this video, is exactly what you say in your reaction. It does not make sense to try to rewrite History, because this History has already been written a long time ago, by Plutarch and by many others, and it was written in Greek, and not in a Slavic language... you should be proud of your own History...
@@KinoYves I am proud and I am not Macedonian or Greek I am Serb we know our who we are 😂
@@KinoYves albanians bosnians macedonians doing same thing with serbian history and it’s so annoying biggest albanian national hero skenderneg was serb
@@The-football-gods How he could get a joke like that 😂
I am sad about this comments, people just be relaxed 😉
Yeah, some guys are kind of crazy in the comment section...
I'll try to sort out this confusion. It's true that the original Macedonia was around Pella, Vergina and Thessaloniki, but it gradually expanded and the term 'Macedonia' covered a wider territory. At some point, Lychnidos (today Ohrid) and Heraclea Lynkestis (today Bitola) became part of it and this was named Upper Macedonia (now in modern North Macedonia). So one can't say that this country has absolutely nothing to do with Ancient Macedonia in terms of archaeology and such things. Under the Romans, the term 'Macedonia' expanded even more. The territory of today's North Macedonia was then named Macedonia Salutaris or Macedonia Secunda. So, claiming that the term 'Macedonia' was always fixed only to what is now Greek Macedonia is wrong. Things changed over the centuries. And after all, there was no country called Greece in the ancient times. It was formed in 1822 and it conquered it's share of Macedonia in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. The maps used in those wars and the peace treaties that followed depict Macedonia as a region from Olympus in the south to Kumanovo in the north, and from Pogradec in the West to the Pirin Mountains in the east. So today's North Macedonia and today's Greek Macedonia are not 2 different planets (as the Greeks misportray that), but until 1913 these territories both belonged to a single region called Macedonia that got violently partitioned.
NORTH Macedonia was NOT the ancient kingdom of Macedonia as the slavs misportray , THE ROMANS called it that after the kingdom finished to exist as a free state !!!!!! enough of this communist tito propaganda that can go to any extrem just to proove that sun rises from the west , Get yourself any ancient history book !
It doesn't make sense.. In that rational then 'Macedonia expanded' also far away reaching the Indus River (now day Pakistan).. so Pakistan was a part of Macedonian Kingdom.. East Macedon.. not possible.. you just cant say that they are the same people so as to identify as new day East Macedon
Skopje is not macedonia. Skopje is a very awful place,full of corruption. People are villagers and they all want to escape this hell hole.let the world know this is a circus.its just place to avoid at all costs
skopje SKOPJE
Macedonia in ancient times , Macedonia in Roman times Macedonia in ottoman times . If your born in macedonia your Macedonian . I wasnt even born in Australia yet i'm Australian . Egypt remembers the Macedonian army . The word Greek or Greece didnt even exist before 1821 .
No, the meaning of words change with time.
For example, Amman was called Philadelphia at the time of the Romans. But that does not make that the inhabitants of Philadelphia in the US can claim the heritage of the city that was called Philadelphia 2000 years ago, simply because they are not related at all.
It is the same for Macedonia. Your Macedonia of now, is not related at all to the Macedonia of Alexander, neither geographically, nor culturally, so it is very weird to see you claiming a heritage that is not yours.
But in the end, you believe whatever you want.
And about the word Greece, come on man!!! It comes from Graecia in Latin language, so it dates back to more than 2000 years ago. And the Greeks call themselves Hellenes since at least 3500 years. How can you deny the existence of Greece!? The cradle of European civilization!
@@KinoYves Got ya , more names than you can poke a stick at , whats worse is now they think their macedonians ahahahaah. can they just choose one name and stick with it and stop saying ancient greece because their wasn't an ancient Greece .
There wasn't ancient Greece!!!!! That's probably one of the most insane sentences about History I ever read. And all the ancient monuments and sculptures everywhere around Greece... where do they come from? Maybe they are also fake and they were invented by Historians who don't like modern days Macedonia?
And Homer, and The Iliad, and the Odyssey!!!! Man, the word Europe would not exist without ancient Greece, and your cyrillic alphabet would not exist without ancient Greece.
La Macédoine du Nord est un très beau pays comme la plupart des pays des Balkans, mais leur villes sont les plus moches d'Europe et Skopje est la pire.
Even if you don't come to Greece, Greece is coming to you. 😅
Remember that the Central Bank of Afghanistan has a Greek coin with Greek letters as it's symbol.
Google it and you will it in front of your eyes.
Because the Bank site is not working Because of the taliban, see the bank description on Wikipedia.
Nice video, in ancient times it did not matter where people were from, Colombus is not from Spain, Ataturk is not from Turkey, you have many national heroes that originates from a different country and or culture all over the world
On what grounds did it not matter? People would still identify themselves by ethnic nationalities when prompted. And when they met their countrymen they would identify by their region. And if they met their region-folk they would identify by their city or village. We do the same today.
@@Leonardo-or1ll Good point, nationality, and patriotism are just bs whipped up by the ruling class to make poor people be willing to send their children into harm's way to protect their economic interests
In ancient times it mattered much more than today where people were from , Ataturk was from Thessaloniki which at his birth time was part of the ottoman empire , Spain didnt gave Genuas name to a spanish province and claiming that columbo was spanish and genuan people are spanish claiming genuas history ,culture and territory , countries may have national heroes from other countries who maybe fought for these countries or did something importatnt to these countries so they became part of these cultures , Alexander , Phillip and all other ancient Macedonians were never fight for Slaves nor did anything else for them , there is NO reason NORTH Macedonia to celebrate them , simply because they never did anything for this country or slavs in general , there is NO historical connection at all , Why NORTH Macedonia dont make statues of ancient egyptians , or incas , or mesopotamians ? Spain is not claiming Genuans history , culture and teritory , it DOESNT claim anything from italy
@@rossfun9840 You just proved my point while blabbering incoherent jibberish
@@criticalthinker88gis13 it seems that you dont understand the comparison because you dont know anything about ancient history
Again, there is a layers and layers of history behind Macedonia. Although ancients Kingdom Macedonia was south of todays North Macedonia, on the territory of todays North Macedonia was dependable Kingdom of Thrace (or Thracia), dependable to Kingdom of Macedonia, as one of the first territories conquered by great ancient Macedonian kings. That means ancient Macedonian culture and language were influencing Thracians. And again, little correction, although Alexander the Great spoke ancient Greek language (being educated, no more no less, by Aristotle himself), and although he spread Hellenistic culture and Greek language all over the known world, ancient Macedonians actually had their own language, officially "Ancient Macedonian", that is from Hellenistic branch of languages, but separate one from Ancient Greek.
Later Romans and Byzantines change a lot what they are considering Macedonian Region, but geographical region of Macedonia (so called Aegean Macedonia that is defined with Vardar Basin, the main river that flows into Aegean sea) takes even parts of modern southern Serbia and Bulgaria, and all north of modern Greece, and parts of East Albania.
But the main love for Alexander the Great comes from relatively recent history 30 years ago. From IX to XII century, todays Northern Macedonia was mostly part of the Bulgarian Empire. From late XII and all to the XIV century, it was part of Serbian Empire (nevertheless, Skopje was a capitol, and todays Northern Macedonia was the center of Serbian Empire). When liberation from Ottoman empire began in XIX century, todays Northern Macedonia, being mostly populated with Slavic people, very fast became the territory of dispute between Serbia (because we call it Old Serbia, the center of XIV century Serbian Empire), Bulgaria (they called it Old Bulgaria because it was part of Bulgarian Empire from IX to XII century) and Greece (because it is Macedonia :). Although Macedonians (I think on Slavic Macedonians in todays Northern Macedonia), wanted to liberate also from Ottomans, they found themselves as object of dispute between Slavic brothers. After Balkan Wars, Northern Macedonia ended in Serbian Kingdom, but almost instantly Macedonians started to riot for their rights, because we called them "Serbians with speech flow", and Bulgarians was persistent that Macedonians are Bulgarians that just forgot a little Bulgarian language under Turks, and they tried to reclaim them in both WW.
That was settled in Yugoslavia after Second World War (ah, that communists...), when Macedonia became constituent republica of Yugoslavia, Macedonian people recognized as independent nation, and Macedonian language as independent language. After break of Yugoslavia, Republic of Macedonia separated peacefully, and became independent country. But they have almost instantly constant pressure to differ their national identity and to distance themselves from Serbs (whit which they actually has closest historical ties), but also from Bulgarians (that even today continue to consider them Bulgarians, and their language Bulgarian dialect - and they use their position in EU to bring that claim on another level). So, to differ themselves as something different than their larger Slavic neighbors, Northern Macedonians reached for ancient Macedonia and Alexander the Great, to try to build their national identity upon that, distancing from other Slavic nations. But that came back as boomerang, because then Greece was angry because someone is reaching for their cultural historical identity, and they made a lot of problems to Macedonians, they even pressured them to change name of the country from Macedonia to Northern Macedonia. They settle that dispute with Greece adding this Northern in all their official national terms, but I am afraid they will have much more problems with Bulgarians, and that they will eventually, if they want to enter the EU, have to change name and national identity once more in Bulgarian Northern Macedonia...
So, that is why there is so much public symbols referring to Alexander the Great and ancient Macedonian Kingdom, but that experiment went wrong end ended in Greece forcing them to rename everything... They are actually youngest Balkan nation (again, not counting Bosnians and Montenegrians that are just renamed themselves officially, but are here for a long long time) that emerged in XX century, and still are looking for itself, and just like Albanians, Macedonians are reaching for ancient ancient history to justify their identity, because their identity is under constant pressure and questioned by neighbor nations... And it is all the legacy of breaking Yugoslavia, when western countries motivated and pushed all newly constituted countries to distance themselves from Serbs and Serbia (Milošević then being main world devil), so they all reached to ancient history, looking for their new identity, forgetting recent past (XX century), and sometimes falling into cultural and identity abyss and really funny identity myths, as you noticed yourself almost instantly, although you don't know much of the region history...
Completely agree with all that.
Alexander the Great did not speak any of "ancient" Greek language (as we know it today), nor there was a "Hellenic" culture back in those days. It was days of city-states, where north, mostly Illyrian and Thrace tribes (before arrival of Bulgars), were stalking south - mostly Corinth and Athens, who did speak language widespread in middle east, what is now know as Turkey (Lycia, Lydia, Ionia, etc) and often had collided in battles and sieges.
To cut the story short, North Macedonia is north of where real Macedonia is, and Philip was born even more north, near Belo Brdo, while Alexander's mother was from near modern day Kavala, at shores of Ionian sea. They would both go for Athenians and Persians evenly from today's north-east Greece and south Bulgaria.
The odd thing is that current day "North" Macedonia has nothing to do with Alexander per se. However both he and his father Phillip crossed that land probably more than few times. What today is called North Macedonia is what is left undivided between Greek, Bulgars and Serbs after latest Balkan wars , whereas today an inflow of Albanians occur.
If you look geographically, Macedonia is mostly arid hills. Great spot for a capital, bit not a good military base in those days, just like Kosovo and Metohija.
So, yeah, I still think that county is divided by at least 4 nations - Serbs, Bulgars , Greek (Cintcars - Greek-Jews from Phoenicia) and now we have lots of non-local Albanians inflowing.
Macedonia is riddled with corruption and is a puppet state of NATO and points of power that INDEED want to rewrite the history.
In North Macedonia people still tremble in anticipation before the December Council of the Member States of the European Union.
North-Macedonians have an impression that Bulgaria will lift the Veto on this summit.
At the same time, in Bulgaria, all Bulgarians are still waiting for the North-Macedonians to start behaving civilly and European and to leave behind the Serbo-Yugoslav way of thinking and primitive behavior!
Of course, the Bulgarian Veto will continue until the democratic changes in North Macedonia really become a reality and we see real results such as the recognition of the objective historical truth as it is, not as it has been presented since the time of Yugoslavia.
Official recognition of the authorities in Skopje for the repressions and genocide carried out systematically against the Bulgarian population - Macedonian Bulgarians, tens of thousands of them killed without trial and sentence during the rule of dictator Tito and decisions taken by the communist junta on ASNOM/АСНОМ in the former Yugoslavia and the Socialist Federal Republic of Macedonia after August 2, 1944.
There is no official recognition of the Bulgarian ethnic group in the Republic of North Macedonia yet. The equal rights of Macedonian Bulgarians with all other ethnic groups specified in the constitution and living in the territory of the Republic of North Macedonia are still some utopia and chimera!
North-Macedonians must return the bones of our big hero from Macedonian region Gotse Delchev/Гоце Делчев back to Bulgaria ASAP!
The communist leader Georgi Dimitrov/Георги Димитров gave them to the dictator Tito under pressure and order of Stalin and the Comintern, and this great injustice to the Bulgarian nation must be restored immediately!
Reminder:
Hundreds Bulgarians cry by the roadside when, on Georgi Dimitrov's orders, the carriage with the remains of Gotse Delchev is transported from Sofia to Skopje in 1946.
We also remind that there are no more repressed peoples than the Bulgarians and Albanians who fell within the borders of Serbia, and subsequently Yugoslavia after the decisions of the Berlin Congress to separate them from from relatives and homeland!
PS:
It is high time that the Bulgarians there should take their rightful leadership position, as the largest majority, together with the Albanians living in the youngest country in Europe and future candidate for the European Union.
Freedom for the Bulgarians in North Macedonia!
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For more information on the Macedonian Question, please see the links as follow.
Link 1: The grandson of the youngest brother of the great Bulgarian revolutionary Gotse Delchev.
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Link 2: Ana Paula Zacarias
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Link 3: Oppressed Bulgarians
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Link 4: Oppressed Bulgarians
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Link 5: Prof. Miroslav Grčev
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Link 6: Pseudo Macedonians
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Link 7: Prof. Ivo Hristov
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Link 8: Jovan Babunski
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Link 9: The genocide of the Bulgarians in Yugoslavia
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Link 10: Prof. Bozhidar Dimitrov
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Link 11: Serbian Historian Milan Protić
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Link 17: Macedonian Almanac
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Link 18: Bulgarians from VMRO
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Link 19: Unification of Vardar Macedonia with Mother Bulgaria.
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Link 20: The Bulgarian Army liberates Vardar Macedonia during WW2
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Link 21: The Bulgarian Army dance horo with the locals in the town of Resen.
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Link 22: The Bulgarian army was welcomed in Skopje as a liberator in 1941.
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Link 23: Krasimir Karakachanov
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Encyclopedia Britannica 📖:
"The Slavic-speaking majority in the Region of Macedonia had been referred to (both, by themselves and outsiders) as Bulgarians, and that is how they were predominantly seen since 10th, up until the early 20th century."
We need to be very clear:
The honor of the thousands of Bulgarians who died for the Freedom of Macedonian region from Ottoman Slavery is not subject to negotiations and never will be!
The Macedonian Bulgarians have always been one of our best Bulgarians in spirit and heart - proud, strong and unyielding!
There is no way, Bulgaria to let into the European Union those who have not officially recognized the genocide of the Bulgarians in then Tito's Yugoslavia, the desecration of Bulgarian monuments and shrines, as well as, the language of hatred, directed at the Bulgarian people and the state of Bulgaria, springing from all kinds of media.
The manipulation, distorted interpretation and the obvious
falsification of Bulgarian history, just to be shown that some "Macedonian" nation, created entirely in an artificial way is a real fact, exists and has a real basis on which to step are absolutely inadmissible and unacceptable!
By denying everything Bulgarian that existed before 1944 and after in these lands, to be established and solidified an entirely new identity of the local population, as Macedonians, through Macedonianism - a nasty ideology which manages successfully to turn the regional affiliation of the Bulgarians from the Macedonian region into a national one, through a massive and long process, named Brainwashing.
Only the truth makes us FREE!
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@@bobantheighty6141 And why you don't tell the key facts - that Bulgarians in I WW and II WW where on the wrong side of history... You were allies with nazis and fascist. And yea, communist and Tito, after II WW, cleaned, and they did it pretty thoroughly, all fascistic and nazistic trash that colaborated with nazist during the War, including Bulgarians (of course, only communist Bulgarian was good Bulgarian, as every other).
And to go back to I WW, what did you done? You waited someone else to defeat Serbian Army, and than storm in Macedonia and Serbia, and don't be than surprised after ending of I WW you were not in heart of the people you were terrorizing 2 years and trying to bulgarize them by force, nor in the heart of victors.
And to go back to II Balkan war, you brought it on yourselves with your greed.
And to go back to I Balkan war, yea you did give your contribution, but then you immediately demanded whole Macedonia (geographical), including the half of modern Greece, and started II Balkan War where you, naturally, very fast lost even that you had before I Balkan War... And whit your now days romantic vision of history, you are poor victims that was wrong by everyone else, but in reality, through all XX centuries you were force invaders, and it seems now days your only sin is that that noble peaceful invaders lost every time and they were wrongfully taken that honestly inv... sorry, liberated territories...
The History of Europe and the Balkans must be respected!
No compromises can be made with history because it is as it is and all the facts of the past prove what kind of people lived in Macedonian Region and in what language they spoke and wrote!
We must say it very clearly:
North-Macedonians are offshoots of the Bulgarian nation and the so called Macedonian Language is a Serbianized Bulgarian dialect from the region of Macedonia!
Tsar Samuel, Gotse Delchev, Dimitar Talev, Kliment Ohridski and the Miladinovi brothers are Bulgarian national heroes from the region of Macedonia, and not some "Macedonian" heroes of Communist Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M) in Ex Yugoslavia of Tito, a lame and an artificial entity of the Communist International - The Comintern of Stalin!
Until the North-Macedonians recognize their true origins, they have no place in the European Union, because without history there is no future!
The denial of Bulgarian origin, and affiliation is a falsification of the objective truth and history and cannot be accepted into the European Family, where every member is friends and no one has entered at the expense of someone else's stolen history.
And last but not least:
Identity theft must be established as a crime between nations too, not only between individuals as it is now!
For more information regarding the Macedonian Question, please, google yourself on the subject and you will fully understand the main issue between Bulgaria, the oldest state in Europe since 681, but after San Marino and North Macedonia, the second youngest state in Europe after Kosovo, founded in 1991.
PS:
God created them Bulgarians, Tito made them Macedonians.
Freedom for the Bulgarians in North Macedonia!
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Well said from a true Bulgarian man.
Now get the view from the Greek side.
Go to Wikipedia and search for the Central Bank of Afghanistan.
You will be surprised with the symbol they use.
In South Balkans ther are 3 Nations. Slavs, Albanians, and Hellenes.
Oh, and some left overs of the Turks we didn't cut their heads in Тракия.
@@iggo45 IN MAKEDONIJA --- EVERYTHING IS MACEDONIAN .
.... c'ao.
@tatjanavelkova5814 get in real world or take your medicine. Macedonia is a fake state and will be fake for 1000 years. Bulgarians don't want you, Albanians want to take control as the majority, Greeks laugh at you and Serbians wash their hands. Who are your allies ?
NOBODY !
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I like (North-) Macedonians and support them but this place is awful - not only rewriting the history but devaluating it. The statues look so unnatural and displaced!
Shame they are not connecting to the modernistic architecture from 1960s (not the communist one), even if it was "brutal", it was more authentic than this.
Macedonia is greek 🇬🇷
Macedonia is Albanian 🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱
Da mi bricis kurot
Macedonia is Bulgarian
@@shefkipajaziti1181 Kosovo is Serbia
Macedonia is Greenland 🇬🇱
Macedonia is no state
Learn English first.
Southern macedonia was never part of greece before 1913 ever , as macedonia was devided into 4 parts . over 1 million Anatolian Christian turks settled into Southern Macedonia occupied by Greece who mostly spoke Turkish . Why do you speak English if your not an English man . Alexander was king of Macedonia not king of Greece . So there for he was Macedonian . Greece twisted history to justify occupation of southern Macedonia . Language changes over 2000 years all over the world . King otto taught the Greeks their Language . There is no way any country can still speak the same language for 2000 years without schooling ,The English gave Greece their name . never a country called Greece before 1821 a creation of king Otto .
Well, Greek language has changed, but they still use the old Greek alphabet. And of course Alexander was Macedonian, no one denies that, but he was educated by Aristotle, and he was culturally Greek, as he brought Hellenistic culture to the conquered places, and he did not bring Slavic culture to Egypt or Persia.
And a proof of that is Plovdiv, which was called Philippopolis by Philip Second of Macedon (the father of Alexander), after he conquered the city. And polis means city in Greek, and as far as I know he did not call it Philippograd. So that proves that even the father of Alexander was Macedonian, but culturally Greek, and not Slavic.
@@KinoYves The word Greek or Greece never existed at that time . Many countries speak the same language . Greece was taken by the macedonian by force . funny how modern greeks twist history . Fact is The word Greek and Greece was given to you by the English .Why is it you speak English how many centries did it take for you to learn English . Macedonians didn't vanish but evolved . Macedonians called themselves Macedonians and the name is still used today, except the work Greek and Greece are new words that never existed before 1821 . good try . so now you will say spread culture , what the hell does that mean lol .
The word Greece comes from Graecia in latin. The word exists since more than 2000 years.
So now you will also claim that the Romans were faking history to try to erase you from History?
However, the word Macedonia did vanish at some point, and reappeared in the 19th century.
It's really funny the way you want to erase Greece from History.
But anyway, you believe whatever you want. It not my problem.
@@KinoYves, Greece was formed in 1821. There was no country called Greece in the ancient times. Greece conquered it's share of Macedonia (Thessaloniki, Pella, Vergina and all those places) in the Balkan Wars of 1912-13. Also, it is controversial whether modern Greece is related to the ancient Greeks. There's no continuity between them. Many modern Greeks are in fact forcibly assimilated Arvanites (Albanians), Slavs, Aromanians and others.
MAKEDONIA IS GREECE