'How Did The Killer Become The Victim?' | Love And Hate Crime: Killing In The Classroom
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After complaining of bullying, gay teenager Abel Cedeno takes a knife to his New York school and stabs a classmate to death.
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“Is it because of my sons skin color” the audacity the mother has to bring her sons race into this. Skin had absolutely nothing to do with anything of this. Her son made fun of an innocent kid to his breaking point and she has to own up to her sons mistakes
Mate think you've missed the point. One they just stated that he was a gang member with out any evidence of gang activity so yes I can see how she could make it about race. And 2 able could have settled things without a weapon, he clearly thought about using it and knew what he was going to do with it, dispite knowing that weapons are banded in school under the law and school policy. Plus the brought it out within 15 of being at school, so if someone pulled a knife out on you and was gesturing that he was going to us it its only fight or flight. Not condoning the bullying but he should have never brought the knife you or even had it in the first place
@@isaholbrook9192 could have until when exactly should he have done what you feel is of a more appropriate method to deal with people who think it's a heavenly joy to do to others. When and exactly when do you think the bullying would have stopped since you seem to know everything and everyone so well
stfu lmao just bc hes gay dont mean he’s innocent he def went to school that day with the intention of killing him you can tell he has no regrets of what he did 😭
You can't take a life and go free
@@isaholbrook9192 you must never been bullied. I’m pretty sure the knife wasn’t the first go to. Aden probably tried other methods and they all failed. Aden was pushed too far
I mean this is exactly what happens when you poke and poke at someone. A person can only take but so much before they just snap. The boy who died, his mom was wrong for bringing skin color into it. That has absolutely no merit in this.
they shouldn't have accused the victim of being a gang member. The video had been clearly cut in the killers favour
@@joecramp2987 They shouldn't have painted him as a choir boy, acting like he did nothing even his classmates ratted him out, mom made him out to be the second coming...
Exactly right
Just like Abel being gay has nothing to do with murder. If it's good for the goose..
The kid who was killed never bullied him or anybody else which is why Abel got bold all of a sudden. He accidentally hit him with a ball of paper, and then apologized. Abel still wanted to fight. If it was one of the bullies who had thrown that paper on PURPOSE he wouldn't have had to balls to do shit.
I don’t think bullies truly understand how hellish they can make people feel. However this is no defence for this horrific crime.
I h8 u and everyone who liked your comment, people who act like thugs and end up dead deserve no sympathy.
angler1029 you should shut up
that kid said he was being bullied since high school, so that shit should already rewire his brain into some fight or flight mode ptsd situation, unless you have been bullied for years with suicidal ideation then you shouldnt speak. abel fought for the voiceless and persecuted social outcasts that day and defended his dignity against those animals.
@@xavierhoight6183 certainly not the right way to defend your dignity.
Bullies been through hell, and its why they are lashing out at others... its a cycle of hate.
As a person who went through bullying at school,my pity is with abel and the teach who you defending Matthew, teachers ingore and dont even care .
There was No evidence of bullying
There’s a whole community behind him talking about how he used to get bullied tho.. that’s fr most the evidence they need. I still wanna know the whole story tho bc he doesn’t show any remorse
yungxyikes yea but how so if it was them physically jumping him and beating him then MAYBE I can see what he did, but if all they did was make mean comments then that’s way too far
@@funboyone3765 why would a teen go and report and be a snitch? Of course there’s no evidence
@@7seven717 Why didn’t his classmates stand up if he was being pulled and why did he decide one that one day to bring Knife to school question have to be ask
I absolutely hated middle school, I was bullied almost every day when all I wanted to do was go to school and learn. I would get kicked, slapped and punched and when I defended myself the school would suspend both me and the bullies. I never felt safe at school and nothing was done when I reported the incidents. I don't condone what Abel did but I understand why he snapped.
Served the bullies right. I hate bullies
I have a rule set for mine you tell the kid leave me lone if no then tell the teacher if no then go to principal if no them come to me imma get his name and their parent name and imma take legal action and that better be the end of it if it goes further im going to class with you IDGAF AND I WILL TAKE THE KID TO THE PRINCIPAL MYSELF
@@yourlandladysson6395 so you approve of murder? He's no better than the bullies
@@kingofdragons7 play stupid games win stupid prizes
@@yourlandladysson6395 cute excuse, it's still murder
Some of y'all really need to look up what premeditated murder is..Abel got 14 years for manslaughter, assault, and weapon possession which is exactly what he should have gotten.
I agree. He had no right to kill anyone. He had options
He only got 14 years... Lucky...
He got 14 years, but will serve like 7 or 8 years
I'm not going to defend bullies, they suck ass
Not if he tried to get help and then that failed him then it really is just self defense
As a kid going to school in NYC I was constantly bullied and no one did anything. Teachers knew and wouldn’t do anything even when it was happening in their faces and it’s STILL like that!
when that Chris Vasquez started talking this is exactly what I thought of, even when it’s reported to teachers it falls through the cracks so of course the bully never had any records of being a bully.
Watch out for the quiet ones ,I was bullied in school ,I didn’t go to this extent but there were times I wanted to because I was pushed too far bully’s need to be stopped b4 they get hurt period
I WAs once bullied in school. I keep my mouth shut. I do things In silent. I just don't care about anything. Then they started bullying me. They pushed me too far that I just wanted to kill them for my satisfaction. Till one day I knew they were going trick on me just before that got one of them stab by my pen then they all run while I keep on punching the last one. Got me suspended for 1 week after that. But I'm satisfied
What do the quiet ones have to do with anything... You make that statement sound ominous and devious. He was bullied this has nothing to do with being quiet period
@@God7315-c1r 😑
@@God7315-c1r I like it when people stand up for themselves. I hate bullies
Is it just me or was this Abel kid like smiling and looked happy to be on the tv and shit
It's almost as if he wanted this...
Yea deffo has no remorse or guilt also no emotion when he speaks. My verdict hes a psychopath
It’s just u
It can be a wall to protected himself but that he is feeling lot inside. Sometimes if people done something terific they do that. But of course we never know for sure if its a mask or that he is really feeling happy
He is not happy he is on tv he is happy that people understood him and that he can share his story
Honestly if my bullies got killed some how I would feel relieved. They would do a lot of people favors tbh. 🤷🏻♀️
No, he killed someone he just had met that day, and the person he killed wasn't even bullying him
@@thenamesrj5082 get your proof and stop sounding like a fool and believing people when they tell who they are just because its them and they don't behave differently in front of you. You don't know a person through and through ever and never will
@@thenamesrj5082 your probably family trying to defend him stop it
@@Delzaan your the fool tryna justify murder
@@thenamesrj5082 your the fool if your the one who is being bullied what will you do fool?
I feel like this deserves more than 5 minutes
I have no sympathy for the bullies or the families of those bullies, Abel should not have gotten charged for defending himself. I was victim of bullying that brings on a lot of emotional issues even to this day to my adulthood. Do not ever put a murder charge on a bully ever
RIP MONEY MATT
If you physically bully someone that badly you can’t be surprised when you die
No excuse for criminal activity. At least this guy's going to be locked up with his type of people, if you know what I mean.
@@DR3ADER1 I get the impression your agenda isn't actually the subject matter, it's homophobia. That's why you say with his kind. The thing I find sickening is you don't actually give a shit about the boys that lost their lives or the bullying, you just care about peddling your homophobia, 0 compassion for any of the people involved or their families. You're full of hatred.
DR3D1 it’s not criminal it’s self defence that got out of hand
@@AM73773 It was pre-meditated murder(or at the very least, it was manslaughter). Unless the state of New York has a statute that allows people to kill if there was any evidence of threat or harm.
Remember, the U.S. Constitution is not enforced in schools or colleges. So he can't really use the "self-defence" line at all in this case.
@@DR3ADER1 Answer the simple challenges to your argument but avoid getting in to any real debate, nice cop-out, enjoy pushing your homophobic agenda. You care not about the law or lives, if this didn't mention gay you probably wouldn't even comment, "with his kind" your issue is clear for all to see...
I feel more bad for Abel then the deceased bully.
He was not a bully he was killed for this defending yourself rip matt
In my opinion everyone involved was in the wrong , theu shouldn't have been bullying him but abel shouldn't have resorted to stabbing them. Ik it was in self defence and he didn't mean 2 kill them. But i think he should be put into a mental health unit or get a therapist or sumthing. Everbody played their part in this. And the teacher chris , should realize that people act certain ways infront of certain people. And I'm not taking sides
Teach your kids to be kind and NOT bully.
Word 👏👍👌👐👐👐👐
Then you become the bullied. It's simple you dont teach them to be kind you teach them to defend themselves.
I did exactly that, I taught my kids to defend themselves and to be tough but I wouldn't have had to do that at all if people were kinder.
LOL his mom tried to make it about race. If you in highschool doing this tyoe of shit you deserve it.
@@couldbeanybody2508 are you for real. Do you think being decent and kind means people should be bullied. Why do you have to bully people when you can just be kind and decent. Is it because your sick in the head andn find some kind of deranged pleasure in making the lives of others miserable
If you've ever been a victim of bullying to an extent, you may have considered bringing "protection" to school or even have. It's not uncommon. Unfortunately for him, he was prompted to use it and didn't understand or at least didn't think about the consequences. "Fight or flight kicked in" that sucks dude.
According to the former teacher, a pimp isn't a pimp, he just have alot of girls. A killer isn't a killer, because he doesn't have recent arrests. A student isn't bad, because there's no records of it.
A punch and a stab are not the same thing.
Hi all!!! I ve been bullied all my life because of my size inherited by genetical hormon disorder. That is not an excuse for commiting murder. Please!!!!! There are other ways to face bullying. I understand that being bullied is very hard. I was beaten at school I know how hard it is. Many bullys are percistent no matter how much you avoid them. This made me stronger. I ignored them patiently until they eventually stopped. But those were other times. I grew up in the 80s. Murder is not an option at least for me. Maybe the court aquits but my conciense would be guilty for the rest of my life.
Hi I'm sorry that happened to you
Thank you, because people use anything for an excuse.... to do something regular people dont do.... and while he's on camera with and smirk on his face but he's a victim
Not the same thing but go off sis
Some people are strong and some people can't handle being bullied, we are all very different people, hence our reactions to certain situations will be different
Yeah real strong of you to ball up and cry, this guy did the right thing and got acquitted for it.
I honestly don’t feel bad for the bully nor his mother. From the beginning to the end, instead of being real and admitting her son’s wrong doing, she just kept finding excuses and reasons to cover her son up even to the point where she brings Racism in when it clearly has nothing to do with the case 😡 She and all those stupid staffs are the reasons why bullying continues to grow and get more deadly because they choose to not do anything about it and are always finding dumb excuses to cover themselves up instead of stepping up and admit their mistakes.
the kid's going to serve time anyway as he actively brought a knife to school... that is it. the mother needs to see that his son isnt as nice and caring as she sees at home (your parents AND any sort of adult, in this case the teacher, always see the lighter side/dulled down side of you).. it was a problem stemmed deeply within the bullied victim that caused this huge impact, i.e) to have the need to bring a weapon to school (plus the environment in itself needs to be taken account of). i believe it is self defense, in a way, but the victim still deserves time nevertheless.
noelle g he got 14 years, manslaughter, assault, and weapon possession, better than the 50 years they were trying to give him.
somewhat unrelated, but: it angers me when people pull the race card in these instances (i'm mixed, the HUGEST minority in all lmaoo). this was OBVIOUSLY not an instance where race was even a factor. *if i'm wrong, please correct me,* but it certainly had no ties within this case. the bullied victim, themself, is a minority as well (spanish last name, but moreso common in latin america), AND TO ADD with being (openly) gay in a community such as the bronx... pulling out "racism" just adds to the creation/stigmatism against *us* and makes other bigots spew even more hatred than before.
noelle g Agreed
@@kirby-stomp she's only pulling the "race card" because the defence was accusing her son of being in a gang etc, basically the same as what was said about trayvon martin. If you're black and a victim of a crime like this they always accuse you of being in a gang. It's not like she was saying it for no reason. Also it wasn't self defence, they showed in court that he initiated the fight because they threw a paper ball in his vicinity, and then he initiated the fight knowing he had a knife. Also being gay should have had nothing to do with any of it, plentry of gay minority people have been bullied and don't kill someone.
@@joecramp2987 Video shows them throwing the first punch, there's a difference between a verbal and physical disagreement...
Sure bring up the kids link to “gang related activities” to build a case for the kid... lmao these people are ridiculous.
@Email that didn't happen. None of that is true
Rob 7 how do you know? 🤔 I mean, is that information online or smth?
@@mariamolina4777 it's in the court documents
This made me think back to my younger days. Getting bullied in a church every sunday. I don't know how many times I had a dark thoughts. Glad I never acted on them but the mental scar will never heal.
You should have just back handed one of them in the mouth full speed.
Lol then why go to church you don’t have to go to church lol
Even if you are being bullied; there is no right for you to stab someone!!
The kid probably brought the knife to intimidate the bully but the bully attack him anyway so he ending off stabbing the guy, sad story, but i wont recommend bully a guy with a knife. I was so used to fight bullies that when wasn't able to defeat them in a fight , i used to brought a blunt weapon like a steel pipe or a hammer to beat the crap out of them like a madman, so they avoid to bully me even if was skinnier than them. So personally i would have use a hammer to break his kneecaps instead of a knife.
Wow
@@Joshua-xp9gwuse your hands than
Listen I got bullied all 12 years of school but I didn't stab anyone. I let karma take its course and boy it sure did. I guess ppl are different
Yeah you got jumped by thugs in school?
exactly
You obviously didn't got jumped... I did. When I was in Form 1, I brought a short knife. I was tempted, and the teacher caught me in the act, but gladly didn't tell the police that. That was almost 9 years ago
U didnt even get jump eh?,
HE KILLED SOMEONE. Doesn’t matter if he was bullied, or pushed too far - why else would you bring a knife to school apart from to hurt someone. There is another way to stand up to your bullies.
Eloise Decroix So bullying is an excuse for murder now? Whatever they did to him doesn’t warrant murder. He killed two people. He could’ve moved schools or sth - why did murder become an option in the first place?
He didn’t take a knife to school for the bants.
@Tuan Nweyn nice idea
I’m siding with abel on this. People love to bring out the race card. I’m black myself however his mother doesn’t even know how her son acts in school, many parents don’t. They attacked him first. He defended himself & it drove him to stabbing the guy. Is it right? NO, however when defending yourself after getting bullied it has huge effects on you & it’s already hard on him living as a gay man.
Didn't he get a paper ball near him? That's not defence to bring out a knife and stab someone, he initiated the conflict knowing he had a knife, so it wasn't in self defence
@@joecramp2987 Use your brain, the paper ball is like any crazy situation, it's a small thing triggered by a lot of events over time, the snapping point could be something so insignificant but he was at the point of no return in his own mind, he dealt with it wrong but its easy to say just a paper ball, like his classmates said, he was pushed to his tether.
She brought up race because they accused him of being in a gang ffs. Pull your head out of her ass
ToProud TooAdmitMitsake then maybe you should use yours and do your hw bozo. Abel
admitted he never knew the two teens, it’s all in court docs. How can two teens that you didn’t know bully you for 3yrs? Court docs also said that Abel was the one who instigated the fight.
Shut your dumb ass up
Matthew deserves that, there should be no room for bullies in this world and bullies should not be tolerated by their actions
They shouldn't get killed tho lol
Yeah no. I don’t feel bad for him , bullying is wrong but to take a life when there’s plenty of other options .... I believe in an eye for an eye
Bullies can push people to suicide but this is still no reason to murder him he just had to go to the police or go see the principal
Easy to say when you're open minded, harder when you're bullied
Schools don't do shit for you in the ghetto, you'll just get jumped again for snitching.
@@SolidJello true
He took it to school clearly thinking he will use it, thats pre meditated
So if I legally own a fire arm, and somebody attempts to assault me, I shoot them. Would that be pre meditated?
@@lilsyrupshawty I think they mean it in the way of he knew he was getting bullied at school, he knew when he went back to school again they'd bully him again that day so he brought a knife knowing that he's going to be bullied and knowing he can use it then and kill them.
@@lilsyrupshawty no but he took it to where he knew the bullies would be and knew he was going to use it on them when the time came, that means he planned to use it on the bullies, why else would he take it to skl, thats pre mediated
@@kJ-cq1he Taking a item to defend yourself from harm makes self defense pre meditated murder. Cool to know. So if I go somewhere where I am required to be , where I know someones gonna hurt me, and I bring an item to defend myself, thats murder. Should he of let them beat him? Maybe handed over the knife? 🤔
@@lilsyrupshawty the kid was getting punched on and that gives him the right to hit back not stab and murder the kid ffs
Doesn’t matter how badly he was bullied u can’t end someone’s life. Fella should get locked up for life. If he’s gay that doesn’t make murder ok
Shut up n sit down
So you do condone bullying. It all make sense now. Smh
@@patricklewis5215 so Her son shouldn't had bullied him other he wud been Alive
God damn so what it happen hea dead ain't nuttin gunna bring him bak so shut up we all gunna die soon
he murdered someone, tried to murder another and traumatised an entire classroom full of kids, why? because he got called names, no excuse, lock him up and throw away the key
I’m sorry but this kid killed someone. Self-defence? I do not condone bullying at all, but I strongly disagree that this was “self-defence”, I don’t care, he needs to be imprisoned, he brought a knife into school... Imagine having your child going to that same school. This literally goes to show, that people have massive affects on other people. *Just be kind* I don’t care what religion you are, or who you believe in or if you don’t believe in God. If you’re black, white, gay, or straight. I don’t know. *You can be morally right, a good human being, a person seeking for peace*
I was bullied and teachers are the worst to count on.
Teachers do absolutely nothing and at times they help or stay silent in the aggressions.
My teachers, "friends", students the whole school wouldn't do anything so I decided that it was up to me.
I had to stand up for me and hit back np matter what it took. You get tired so tired and they push you.
To anyone that says that wasn't the way to go
There's many ways every kid right now is choosing to go with.
Right now there's a kid being bullied and will either commit suicide, stand up and fight back or stay silent and live with that trauma or kill.
There’s no remorse for Mathew and his family a life was taken and Abel dont seem to care he’s been victimised
People usually don't feel bad for bullies. Learn to use punctuation.
I think the boy was badly bullied by the boy, people should be wary what is going to happen when the person you bully snaps! I don’t think the mother truly knew her son, I wish the episode was longer.
He wasn't, wtf, dude ur research
I was bullied for most of elementary school and all of middle school and it was about my sexuality bullies need to understand the pain the embarrassment the hurt that they cause the years of problems bullying can cause, it’s been years since I was last bullied and I’m still getting over those painful memories may both parties get the peace they need in their hearts
The title is backwards,it should be "How did the victim become the killer"
I'm on this guy's side because he had simply defended himself from these monsters.
Yea with a knife. A better defense is anything else that isnt violent
@@PennyMsElite He brought a knife with him as he could take a gun. He felt threatened by these people it is normal that he reacted like that.
@@trevor3013 Yep you're right that's why cops carry silly string
Simply defended?
He brought a premeditated weapon to school...
No there were other choices before he chose death
@@gothicpando I don't care, this is my opinion. You are free to think as you wish.
Kind of sad to say but I guess at this day in time, I am glad at least that he didn't bring a gun and kill 60 innocent other kids. He only attacked his intended targets.
That's no excuse for killing someone ffs. Just shows how messed up America is for you to come to that conclusion
@@rob_3417 obviously. People are crap to each other. They have always been that way since the dawn of time. It will never change. It will only get worse.
That's true. As long as he didn't kill the innocent victims, I'm okay with that
The girl that said they pushed him too far hahaha
I feel no remourse for the bullies at all ppl like picking on ppl and don’t think about the consequences until it’s too late open yours eyes treat ppl like you want to get treated or else , also the mom has the balls to make it about race show ur son to respect others and things would have had a different outcome ppl like to call the race card and be the victim the minute their child gets attacked gtfo
This is soo messed up..
What's crazy is kids pretend to be the nicest ppl in the world meanwhile they bully others for fun.
Rip Money Matt 💚🐰
He looks very smug for a victim of bullying who has had to kill someone
I mean I don’t feel bad for the bullies! They were old enough to know better. Now they can STFU bc they have no choice. That’s a CHOICE they mad and for every action in this world there is a reaction
You're an idiot
Dumass 15 is young adel 18 adult he could of just stop going to classes he obviously didn't care about school since he was in classes with 15 year olds
Y’all just mad 😂😂😂
Jaime Fabiani how we mad we have brain obviously you mad you probably use to get bullid by some girls that why you wishing death on kids
It’s bullied sign education is key. Kids or not so what they’re a waste of space! Fuk em and you too now piss off loser. Learn to spell
This documentary does a full 180, when you watch it in full.
Why to use a knife when the other guys use their hands ? They should’ve done 50/50
why 2 on 1
50/50 really look at them to him stwww parents need to teach their kids not to bully others the heck n mama bear using the racist card like woman shut up your son was a bully and the victim got tiered of his behavior and sadly he stabbed him
Just because your bullied doesn’t give you the right to stab people so he should tell people for defence to the police
funny boi gaming and more exactly
When you attack someone and don't stop until he becomes mentally unstable. You cannot stop your target anymore from putting an end to your life or theirs.
I won't stop anyone from bullying it never stops, but if you don't want responsibility for your action don't do it.
If this was the UK, he’d be charged with carrying a knife as well, knife crime is such a big thing here. Carrying knives is stupid, because no one realises the damage that can be done with them, self defence or not, no one should’ve been stabbed.
Wow! This is very deep thinking case.
No its not. Two thugs jumped and harrased a guy that literally couldn't walk away that had to face them everyday. They attacked him and he defended himself. He's a hero, bullies no more.
If any bully pushes someone too far it’s their fault
Anarchy In Hollywood abel killed two innocent lives
@@rainy8585 Bullies are not innocent.
@@emodante1084 ikr
Smh. What's this world come to? I'm worried for the future.
R.I.P Money Matt (if i went out like him, i'd be mad asl 😂)
I get i'm a complete civilian but come on, he knew what was coming and he was completely oblivious
@@RevornParkinsonTowersyou sound dumb as hell wtf are you saying
Kids from aged 12-17 think it's cool to bully someone. My years in middle school are the worst. I got bullied badly but I still remained calm. In high school, I also got bullied but not much. In college, I didn't get bullied anymore.
I do not believe that the circumstances leading up to the stabbing justified Abel's actions. His life was certainly not in danger in that situation. They were not trying to take his life; he had no right to take theirs, self defense or not.
How u know they weren't. Accidents happen from a basic fight everyday. Plus why two boys on just that one poor broken spirit ass kid. Imo that one extra person made that fight more life threatening then it would with just one
Can we all just agree that race and gang affiliated things had NOTHING to do with the fact that Matthew and the other kid bullied Abel to the point where he snapped. I'm just happy it wasn't a school shooting to be honest. But bullying does that to ppl, and people need to see that. Murder is definitely not okay though, and my condolences go to their families.
MATTHEW DID NOT BULLY ABEL why are you defending him you are weird
You can only get annoyed and bullied so many times before you lose it.
Teachers don’t know anything the students do
Aggred
*Bullying is different from murdering.*
More importantly I want you guys to spell defense as DEFENSE k thanks 🙂
That kid has issues far bigger than being bullied. It was premeditated. The idiot admitted pulling the knife out first. If a coward pulls a knife he deserves to get beat. Now he deserves to spend the rest of his worthless life behind bars.
Still no excuse to take someone's life. How dare anyone try and justify this. Call it "self defense" all you want, but this kid brought a knife whilst the other boy used his hands. One kid made it out ALIVE and one DID NOT. End of. You cannot use "i got bullied" as an excuse to justify murdering the so called "bully". That's so messed up.
Ain’t nobody bully him , he barely even came to school , literally was about to leave school early that day . HE WASNT BULLIED AND HE ADMITTED TO IT AT THE STAND !! Even the judge thought his story was fishy , nothing was adding up. If you wasn’t in that school, or in the classroom or at the witness stand PLEASE DONT SPEAK ON THIS STORY YALL DONT KNOW ABOUT
The mother playing a race card, how typical.
she’s kinda right tho... why are we feeling sorry for a kid that stabbed and murdered two other kids? would it have been different if he used a gun? if he was black? if the deceased was white? these are important questions, not something to brush off as a typical “race card” defense.
No, it's clear the defence is trying to play the whole "he was in a gang" card. She has a valid point
@@garndt I am not feeling sorry for any of them, why mention race?? the bullied guy is not white either, actions and facts should matter not skin colour of people involved.
At first I thought self defense, but the media does a good job at twisting it as well. He pulled out the knife thinking they were throwing a pen at him but they weren’t. When he pulled out a knife that’s when the kid starting punching him (which was not smart) and the other kid jumped in to stop the stabbing. Do I believe he was bullied yes, and I’m not here to judge him just in my opinion it was premeditated. He provoked them by pulling out a knife, and then used the self defense once attacked but the students lives were already in jeopardy when he pulled the knife out. Witnesses saw him her hit first so he could take the bully out and then call it self defense idk just my theory on it. Regardless he could have resorted to other ways than killing he was repeating the 12th grade again so maybe go get your GED and be done with it 🤷🏾♀️ but no he had to prove a point due to his ego
I watched the documentary in full. Abel recieved a 14 year sentence, and having listened to all the details carefully, it was a completely justified sentence. He showed no remorse for his actions.
As he shouldn't have, he shouldn't have had to that in the first place...
This guy shouldn't go to jail. He stood up for himself. I hate bullies. This is a lesson. If you push someone too far he will get to the wall and fight back
Matthew had no prior history of bullying Able. There are news clips that said Matthew apologized to Able for throwing the paper at his direction. I feel bad for Able being bullied but it shouldn’t have led to Matthew’s death. It’s tragic all around.
Its so sad where he has to walk with a knife to school to defend himself, after being bullied for months now he finally snaps and does such he is being held for 50yrs? this is absurd
I live in the Bronx and was applying for high schools during the time this was all going down. I still remember when UA Wildlife showed up at a high school fair after the incident hit the news and nobody came to them.
Leave pple alone it's simple as that.
I was bullied at school. Beaten up not just by girls but guys too and it was all cause of this girl who was the instigator.. I never said anything for three years and kept it to myself however one day she hit me and surprisingly I beat the shit out of her however I didn’t kill her and I still paid the price, got arrested & she was seen as the victim although they had mountains of paperwork on me being bullied. It isn’t worth it. She took a lot from me and the others who bullied me. Till this day I have bad anxiety but I still wouldn’t condone murder.
Anybody can find the music that's playing when they escorting him to the car?
Bullying should be a crime. If they are young, make the parents responsible. Unfortunately, we have to curb society out of their hate. This is what we have to resort in order to heal. Honestly, put them all in prison. Assault and harassment is a crime, so why isn’t bullying?
They are really supporting someone who killed another human being
How are people thinking he was in the wrong for defending himself he was about to get jumped by two people. Let’s say he didn’t use the knife he would of have gotten badly hurt and nobody would of cared but he used the knife he wasn’t planning on killing somebody he was trying to scare them off as you can clearly hear they did not care about him having the knife and they still decided to bully him in my opinion he should not go to jail but to therapy.
"Matthew is not a bully, he's a sweetheart"
Mein gott! you will say that because it's your son and your friend.
If i was in Mom and friend of Matthew's Shoes, i will not defend him
Yep. That's what bully's wants their parents and friends to think so they can have the advantage and not see the real side.
It's always 1 or 2 when it comes to bullying
1. They take their own life
2. They take somebody else's life
It's the consequences of bullying someone and push them to their limit. It's the matter of fight or flight and self defense. Matthew's mother should have never brought up the skin color, thats just the way of blaming the system racist rather than actually look at the insight. If only bully were taught to be wrong then these tragics would stop...
How do you take out a knife then expect not to get hit
Bro literally took out a knife, then waited until he swung to stab him
He wasn’t *Able* to contain himself
It is very important we maintain and watch a child’s behaviour before it is too late to repair the damage. Yes what Abel did was illegal and brutal and he should be punished for it and yes I do feel very sorry for the loss of Matthews life, however the problem would not have occurred if the school or his family did something about the problem earlier.
Matthew was a bully and all these mums who's kids are bullies have same thing to say '' my son was an angel. '' these mums who let their kids bully other kids need to be punished and in her case she was punished this time....
Damn 💔
The only question that I want to know is what if ur the person whose getting bullied do u even want that person to keeps bullying u report is useless when their not going to stop
The mother start bringing the race game
Boy was bullied, fought back. Oh wait lets turn it into a gay issue and a race issue. Anything else want to blame it on?!
This is exactly what I spent my life saying, Don't bully, because one day they will break, and you'll be top of their list!
This is the exact reason why we have school shootings on a frequent basis because of the lack of discipline control and accountability in society. We are not able or even allowed to control our children, so when they go out of control these things do happen.
Man slaughter and self defence not murder
RIP MONEY MATT TILL THIS DAY ❤❤❤
Abel get 14 years in prison!! Wow the suck he needs to get life because of murder!!!!
Why bully?
It's common, everyone says stuff like you're gay on Instagram as a joke with their friends, homophobia is common, so common people don't even realise they're doing it. Gay people are seen as a joke and inferior, we're less than 10% of the population so it's no surprise. It's not acceptable to take someone's life though.
ToProud ToAdmitMistake true
@@PennyMsElite I have also been bullied however I've never been as openly gay and especially not in school as this guy. Also you probably haven't been bullied on the scale of this person, his minority makes up less than 10% of the population.
The support of gays is small it's just made to look large by media attention but most support is virtue signalling or brands trying to capitalise on a new demographic.
Go in to your average locker room and hear the true perception of gays from straight males, it isn't great. I assume he felt trapped, hated by many people and rather defenseless, it doesn't justify what he did but it's the truth for many gays.
A vast majority of people think it's a joke and disgusting, they laugh and make snide remarks, behind social media and an alias it only gets worse, it insights violence and extreme bullying, it causes segregation and loneliness, that's before you even factor in the religious people who store even more hatred.
Pretend to be gay for a day and see the response, it's pretty heavy.
@@PennyMsElite You'd rather be gay, yes because all races support gays, 😂😂 even the countries with stoning, death penalty, imprisonment, anti gay law, Russia, the UAE, many African Countries, China. You see lgbt friendly and think its fixed. Brazil has lgbt rights and the highest lgbt murder rate in the world. Then you have all the religions with billions of followers who hate gays.
Giving me outdated examples of gators, mass black slavery is over, use up to date examples hun not stuff from way back, stuff that happens today. You wouldn't rather be gay don't make me laugh, even in the accepting countries homophobia is the undertone, gay people are a joke. 20% of the world is black u have way more support, under 10% is gay. Don't assume you know stuff you don't. Statistacly you have double the support, that doesn't even include the support of other ethnicities either.
@@toproudtooadmitmitsake1842 it's common... Okay. Let's just go with that and not do anything to stop bullying from happening in the first place seeing that it's so common and therefore no big deal actually even beneficial and fun while at it
Why he use a knife though why he can’t use his hands? I’m confused
He was about to get jumped are you dumb? He pulled the knife out and they still decided to hit him like come on it doesn’t take a idiot to see he was in the right to defend himself no matter what.
Are dumb stoopid or dumb huh
Probably he can’t fight and remember 2 kids were bullying him if he swung, he would’ve got jumped so that’s why he stabbed 2
kids
Crime is crime, he's not a victim
Of course he has to say there were no reports or the school is liable
Where can I find the video