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Do you know hashirama sage mode is the perfect version of the same sage mode that jugo has, and that sage mode is connected to the chakra tree and and i think hagoromo train hashirama this sage mode and I think hashirama train jugo clan because of they can produce senjustu chakra and hashirama did that to prevent another marada and I think hagoromo only train hashirama to strong else to train next generation's to be strong else for fight again kaguya if kaguya ever comeback from her imprison of being seal away
I guess that makes sense. Naruto Shippuden's tactics basically boiled down to shock and awe using overwhelming samurai/power ranger-Esq techniques of having the more powerful jutsu/spell or piloting a chakra Megazord. Boruto Blue Vortex's techniques are more nuanced with teleporting, dimension-creation, mind-wiping, jutsu-canceling, energy absorption and (of course) the constant game of "who is a cyborg, clone, alien, and/or tree-person?".
If you read this you simp on sakura harder than she simped on sasuke
Yo why are your eyelashes soo luscious?? Tf???
Considering the power creep in Naruto i am very curious whats your opinion on the vs match up of baryon mode Naruto vs prime Yamcha?
I learned about power creep from Pokemon. It's usually what makes mons that were the best in the earlier generations low tier currently.
Charizard is still overpowered in the card game though
Sandslash will always be my favorite
But pokemon is pretty Well balanced because there is Always some way to counter a overpowered mon and Always some Trick that balances Things Out
@@MysteryGuradian No amount of trying will make Tauros, for example, (who was top tier in gen1) do well in today's competitive, mostly due to power creep.
@@lytethekyte while that is true there are Always the lower Tiers where Mons Like tauros have niches and can Put in some Work yes there are Mons that are Just Bad that dont do anything but even they have a nich in some way and in their respective Tiers
Series should’ve stayed more grounded in martial arts, bloodline limits, and village specialties. OG Naruto had such a special feel to it.
Boruto is mostly taijutsu so we aren't gonna be seeing nukes. I don't think it's gonna be that big of a issue
@@Codyslxthey r changing up the game from taijutsu a little with the addition of the Shinji who cant absorb jutsu and they themselves utilize jutsu and chakra natures unlike the otsutsuki. Now we will be seeing ninjutsu battles as well which is cool
@@Codyslx Compare taijutsu in Naruto and Boruto and tell me which one is better? In addition to that it makes no sense with characters who are showing both skill and power of chunin at best. Naruto 16 y.o. would no diff Delta by feats without using nukes. Jigen would be wasted by either Sasuke or Naruto. Naruto's SM is somehow trash these days yet Mitsuki can hang out with Ootsutski level characters(they are technically by there but not by feats). Ishiki showed nothing feat wise to put him above any Kage in Naruto yet he is completely dominating both Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto uses some Fox suicidal mode that showed feats below 1 tail Naruto yet we somehow need to believe it's even stronger than Six Paths Sage Mode?
Boruto makes no sense power wise. Taijutsu is beyond simple and not creative at all. In addition to this they don't use jutsu(no hand signs), they have unlimited energy with no context(in Naruto there was always some recharge moment). Simple strikes and kicks with powers activated on a whim with no cost or special conditions = worse than most Naruto fights.
The only thing where Boruto excels at are belts. They're everywhere along with costumes that make no sense for shinobi to wear.
@NameUserOf Bro wtf is this rant? I'm not reading that shit, literally has nothing to do with my comment.
They varied off from bloodline limits and specialities imo. They flashed it at first then never really dove into the possibilities multiple elemental affinities could do
To be honest if Naruto and Sasuke were the Protagonists of Boruto like how Goku and Vegeta are the Protagonists of Dragon Ball Super i think a lot more people would like Boruto.
This is a good take
Maybe initially but it's still just dragging the corpse of something that died. I feel like thats why people don't like boruto in the first place
@@yoridetth856 THEN DON'T MAKE BORUTO KEEP IT LIKE SHIPPUDEN.
The show is called Boruto for a reason.
@@amoyko You don't need to back seat them.
I think there’s a difference between power creep and character power progression. Power to creep, in my experience and understanding from video games, is associated more to when the strength and abilities of characters scale out of control to where it violates the power system unreasonably or introduces a less reasonable, usually more highly scaled, power system with the previous more reasonable system. I think Boruto definitely has this.
Naurto was having power creep around time of kaguya introduction
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl yes but actually around Juubito was where it began to get bad. With Juubidara and EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke it becomes ludicrous. Kaguya isn't that bad actually mainly because of how poorly she handles her power, but her fight IQ tones her power down a bit at least. Imho Edo Madara should've lost to the 5 Kage and Juubito should've been the series's power ceiling. He was insanely strong and it needed KSM Naruto and a Jugo-buffed EMS Sasuke to content with him but in the end when he was vulnerable literally EVERYONE helped ripping the tailed beasts out of him. That was insanely strong but "reasonable" for lack of a better term and required no bullshit external amp but "only" literally a combination of all powers Naruto and Sasuke ever had
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I'd say it became pretty prevalent as soon as Pain one tapped Konoha lol, then proceeded to beat Naruto until Hinata interrupted.
@@UnravelGhoulx i think the pain one was reasonable. If i call that unreasonable then i have no business watching jjk.
@@arrexu01Depends on the series. JJK is pretty ridiculous from the get go because Gojo gets introduced early.
To be clear, power creep in Shippuden is 100% an issue. The war arc really struggled to contain the power levels, and kept having to give people random upgrades so the cool characters could continue to contribute. A great example is Minato having sage mode because they discovered that only sage attacks could work on 10 tails jinchuriki. He caveat's it by suggesting that he isn't very good at sage mode, before instantly entering sage mode and showing that he is in fact a perfect sage. It was bad enough that he was a perfect jinchuriki with the other half of Kurama, so they could do that asspull of teleporting the entire shinobi alliance because Naruto had shared Kurama's chakra with them. It was just all over the place. Kishimoto made Madara too strong so he just made everyone else broken too. It wasn't very exciting for me.
Boruto is even worse, but I cba to get into all of that.
With Minato it's weird because he has sage mode but like doesn't use it in any meaningful capacity. As for him saying he isn't good at using sage mode, IIRC he does say that he can't maintain it for long
Yeah I feel like this post used the massive power creep in the War Arc to justify the power creep in Boruto, when we didn't like it then either. Everything after the Pein arc just got completely out of hand. Naruto went from genin level (without kyuubi cloak) to maaaybe a lower Jonin level across his timeskip whereas Boruto cleared Jonin, Kage, 6 paths and hit the pinnacle of what we've seen in the series in the same amount of time. The two power boosts aren't even comparable.
@@GameCyborgCh The justification for Minato not being good at sage mode always read like a continuity issue to me. No one can maintain sage mode while moving around. The point of summoning Fukusaku and Shima is that they gather the sage energy for you while you move. It's as if Kishimoto just forgot about the mechanics of sage mode when he wrote that. If he was an imperfect sage, then it would at least look consistent.
@@young_raymond47 Fukusaku and Shima were summoned to help gather and natural energy while in a fight and help stabilize it cause the person can't just stop in a middle of a life and death fight to enter sage mode safely, maintaining sage made for a prolong time is another issue on its own, but maintaining it in fight or while in motion was never a problem i remember being stated. Also the problem seems to be for a imperfect sage. cause Naruto as a perfect stage didn't have the same problems Jiraiya had.
@@CrisisPhoenix Naruto did have the same problems. Fukusaku attempted to teach him how to bind, it just didn't work because of Kurama. He came up with an alternative solution for replenishing his nature energy.
My point is that as long as Minato can enter sage mode, they should hypothetically be able to maintain it indefinitely by binding with Ma and Pa. I don't understand why Minato feels that not being able to stay in the form is a signifier of his incompetence. Once you run out of nature energy, you lose the sage transformation. That's the same for everyone.
Power creep isn't inherently a bad thing. It just must feel earned. Power cliffing at the end of Natuto was somewhat problematic with writing future narratives in the same IP, hence why Kishimoto went back to more hand to hand style of combat, but Boruto in TBV has powercliffed the already powercliffed. He comes back stronger than an AWAKENED Code while in base mode and plays with Code like he's a helpless child. A Code who is said to be on par or stronger than Jigen was. The same Jigen who already bodied pre-nerfed Sasuke and Naruto going all out. This feels like the type of powerup that comes at the end of a series, or after a timeskip where the MC has already shown that they could gain great power from training and saw that the powers he earned already couldnt go up against the new looming threat. Boruto was granted the Jougon for still unknown reasons. He is already a prodigy, being chunin level as a new genin. He's gifted the karma through fate and/or happenstance. And suddenly he's so freaking strong they had to add 4 new ostosuki level threats to contend with him. It's not cathartic to see massive powerups if they seemingly come without people actually having to strive for it.
How was Naruto and Sasuke nerfed? even momoshiki who was said to be a greater threat than kaguya who held back against them destroyed a solar system and they still beat him
@@gemini.saga3 bro.... momoshiki ain't jigen... or code... or post timeskip boruto.
Ive seen people complain about naruto not improving after his own timeskip... but i legit prefer that over boruto's bullshit.
Boruto is just plain undeserving of his powers. Like genuinely...
@@gemini.saga3 did you miss Sasuke's Rinnegan being stabbed and Kurama literally performing nuclear fusion with half of Naruto's chakra?
I know you aren't talking about undeserving with a mid series/fate series pfp.@@arrexu01
@@majin2351 How bout you leave the pfp's be mr black and white. If you don't have anything of value to add then don't speak
The difference in power from Jigen and Ishiki is not a small amount.
So when they say code without limitations is stronger than Jigen. They mean Jigen.
Eh not really, Isshiki that we get is not that much stronger than Jigen. He is like double in power but its not like he is five times or so strongeer.
Ishiki uses Cubes while Jigen doesn’t
@@TheLastSane1 Isshiki no diffed naruto and sasuke in less than 2 minutes pre baryon in a dead vessel. Jigen took a whole episode and still failed. It's way more than a 5x power gap.
@@zyadeldinehjij8289 Chakra sensory inhibiting cubes at that
@@TheLastSane1Isshiki low diffed Naruto and Sasuke while Jigen needed chakra from the 10 tails before he confronted Naruto, had to use his curse mark to fight both, and then had to recover afterwards. Isshiki is WAY stronger than Jigen.
The power creep at the end of Shippuden was already terrible so the way to fix it was to nerf Naruto and Sasuke, make most ninjutsu useless thanks to the karma seal, repeatedly remind people that each new villain is stronger than the last without showing much of their destructive power, keep giving Boruto new power ups each time he shows up, and make the old and new cast even more irrelevant in the process😂
End the show or do a time skip like after 200 years Naruto and sasuke well be dead
The very fact that ninjutsu took down every villain so far and most characters still use it proves that ninjutsu is still useful, each new villain isn't stronger than the last, in fact ot tool a while for Momoshiki to be surpassed and Isshiki still hasn't been surpassed. DC isn't the only way to show power and Boruto barely gets powerups💀 the old gen were already useless back in Shippuden and all the new gen have fights against main villains set up
@@PrimalIncentive the problem is that all of them have absorbed jutsu look at the akatsuki compare to boruto Shippuden was a weekly manga kishimoto has time limit so we can forgive him for that but boruto is a monthly manga there is no excuse for that
@@ayhamahmad2277 Most Boruto villains can't absorb jutsu💀 only Momoshiki, Delta and Jigen. That's 3 villains out of about 15, be fr. Naruto went from kage level to God level in a war that lasted 2 days
@@PrimalIncentive Naruto getting these powers like the nine talls was established ever since part one we knew he going to unlock that power in the end
We NEED a manga set in the second great shinobi war, this fixes power creep and can flesh out interesting characters!
EDIT: This would not fix power creep in Boruto, but since at this point in the story nobody is stronger than Hashirama, in that series there would be no power creep. (plus there could still be powerful people like prime Hiruzren, Onoki, and Mu).
You would need to nerf everyone ib the shinobi war to make Boruto characters stronger.
Feats suggest this. Not me.
@@CristanioPeweyyyBra it's implied all these guys are stronger than Madara dont be a fan boy except it people won't destroy a planet the whole time bra
@@orpheemulemo8053 My friend i'm faster than Usain Bolt.
@@CristanioPeweyyy Bra your not even a runner yet we have more powerful characters than Madara losing to jigen and isshiki proving they are stronger than Madara
@@orpheemulemo8053 My homie implied i'm stronger than Leon Edwards. Am i stronger? No.
Same logic applies to Boruto.
Kawaki is getting knocked out by attacks that can't even destroy a building (latest chapter).
While Naruto in the war arc tanked a direct hit from the tentails which was powerful enough to destroy a contintent.
Yeah, keep lying to yourself, Kawaki is fodder.
Tbh i wish kishimoto would have just done a spinoff of the other jinchuriki's journey or showing some of the kage that weren't in the 5th great war in action but with the power scaling in boruto the only way i can see them being relevant now is if they secretly have a baryon mode of their own to compete with naruto let alone current boruto.
Agreed
Thats the thing though. Boruto is so strong now he fodderized the entire universe. No one who is not Otsutsuki or is a Shinju matter now.
@@TheLastSane1the story should have ended with Shippuden because Naruto and sasuke are too powerful they could have done a spin of or doing a time skip when Naruto and sasuke are dead
Okay so love the videos but I hate that people think they have to constantly raise the power level to keep the story good. If you're a good writer you can keep the scale down while still writing a good story. Power creep doesn't have to happen but it just happens way too often. The real challenge is keeping it varied because you don't "raise the steaks" by increasing the power that you can get stale. Let me say this for instance, you can keep a story interesting by character development which doesn't require your strongest character being they're unless your developing them but even then you don't necessarily have to raise the power you just have to get creative in how you give him a challenge. Trust me it's possible just isn't easy.
Manga writers do manga for a reason, story telling isn't their strengths.
The power limit hasn't been raised tho. It's capped at isshiki and baryon mode naruto
Unless boruto surpassed baryon mode naruto, then we have a reasonable power cap.
@SupremeCodyGaming well yes but it is drastically raised for newborn children. I don't believe they need to have Boruto fight Naruto level characters.
Completely agree. I mean just look at jjk Gojo Emma’s the strongest until very recently and even then no one else really compares. The young people grow in strength but that’s it it’s not power ceep the characters just get stronger and not all of them.
@emme12345654321 Boruto is an alien and so i kawaki. No one else in there generation stands to the same level. Two outliers don't make the rule.
I think the biggest issue of power creep is the idea that they maintained Naruto and Sasuke in the story, power scaled them to Otsuski's, and still wanted to make it out that Boruto is somehow going to go even further beyond.
Come the Time Skip and... He has (and hasn't) without justifying it proper. Of course he has the Karma seal, something that just got slapped into Boruto to justify the power creep out of nowhere, he's had 3 years to train, to get beyond Sasuke and Naruto, and now we are seeing everyone forcibly having to get to the same, or relative power level in order to have anyone be of any help.
It is trying to tell us that everyone is approaching, or beyond, the strongest in the verse despite the fact the strongest of the past were still alive during this time and only aren't the strongest because they had to be hard nerfed or, quite literally, had their power taken away to have any stakes.
Power creep will always exist, but power creep the disrespects, or undoes, what was already established just feels, and is, flat out distasteful.
Boruto did more for karma than Naruto did for Kurama, Boruto is a full Otsutsuki so it makes sense that he surpasses them. Everyone else aren't gonna ever reach that level which is why they have to jump their respective Shinju
@PrimalIncentive Naruto being handed Kurama from the get go has always been a bit of an issue when it came to Naruto being seen as an underdog, despite the fact he realistically had everything going for him (Insane Chakra pool as an Uzumaki, son of Minato, and being a Jinchuriki of the "good" half of the strongest tailed beast) but the claim Boruto is "full Otsutsuki" is complete fan based theory.
Of course this could be proven as though but it isn't. Simply stating that Boruto is something out of pure speculation, albeit well informed, is still just speculation. Let alone, even if you wanna say he is a full Otsutsuski he DID NOT do anything to earn his Karma Seal. He was entirely given the victory/kill to earn himself the seal as a "This is Boruto's story" moment when, realistically, Naruto or Sasuke could have claimed it would it not have been for that idiot that refueled their biggest threat. Boruto did not do anything on par with Naruto to achieve the same power and yet he is going to surpass him nonetheless. He isn't even gonna lose his sensei cause it's Sasuke, who has not only been confirmed to still be alive but they sure as shit ain't gonna kill him even by the end when Boruto is suddenly Universe level on par with Shibai
@@loser108108 Boruto being a full Otsutsuki was literally stated in the manga tho💀 he's a full Otsutsuki and he only became it after sacrificing himself for those he loves. He did earn the karma tho💀 he saved the 5 kage with his vanishing rasengan, used his skill and Momoshiki's lack of knowledge on ninjutsu to stab his rinnegan which stopped him from absorbing then he landed the finishing blow. Naruto did a lot more than Naruto💀 enough to to DESERVE THIS POWER. Naruto didn't work for most of his power ups(which he got in the span of a 2 day war)while Boruto trained for 2 days, he didn't lose Sasuke but he DIED, got his arm broken, got his back broken, lost an eye and lost his life in the village. He's the same as Naruto except he isn't forcing the underdog thing
@PrimalIncentive I will admit I don't read the manga like a bible, one google search showing that they did in fact state Boruto is full alien now, but it in fact only proves further it was entirely unearned.
Boruto sacrificing himself was a noble dead, yes, but it's not like he did it so that he would be revived as full Otsutsuki. So you talking about him earning it is completely negated by the fact this was done outside of his will and, just like Naruto, handed to him despite his inability to choose.
Trying to say he earned the karma is also not at all acceptable when it was Naruto who gave him the chakra and power needed for the massive rasengan, Sasuke helped in duping and getting Boruto as close as he did, and the final blow was still just handed to Boruto just cause Naruto was out of commission while being a pin cushion.
And the claim that Naruto got his power ups without earning them is completely false. From the get go he is handed everything, yes, but Naruto still put in the effort to train as strong as he is. He learned the Rasengan despite being ill suited to the method needed to do so. He had to face Kurama and win to earn his first stage cloak. He befriend Kurama, and the rest of the tailed beasts, to earn his second stage cloak. And during the empty years he trained even more to get as strong as he is in Boruto. The single power up he got handed, after being born strong, was the same power up Sasuke got, and both lose, during the war from Haguromo to seal away Kaguya and prove he loves Sasuke as more than a friend (Bowchickabowow)
So before trying to act like you're the biggest brain of the comment section, why not use that alleged brain power to think before you type. I'll admit when I'm wrong without being a snarky zoomer
@@loser108108 Him not doing it with the intention to become full Otsutsuki doesn't take anything away tho? Did Naruto go into the war expecting six paths chakra? No, did he train for it? No.
He forced Momoshiki to do it by sacrificing himself, he EARNED IT even if he didn't intentionally do it.
So because he had help and got assistance he didn't earn it? You know I admit that I sometimes act like I'm above everyone else but at least I'm not a hypocrite🤦🏿 you said this then went ahead and said Naruto earned Kurama like he didn't have help from his mom JUST LIKE BORUTO, like he didn't have someone giving him the opportunity to do it JUST LIKE BORUTO, the bias is showing.
You're going to say he trained for rasengan like every rasengan user didn't have to do that INCLUDING BORUTO🤦🏿 said he earned the first kurama cloak despite the fact that he had HELP FROK 2 PEOPLE JUST LIKE BORUTO. Boruto trained to control and activate v1 karma so he earned it, he sacrificed himself and became full Otsutsuki so he earned that as well. Only a Naruto fan could be so much of an hypocrite that he counts befriending monsters as earning but beating one with help isn't🤦🏿if we use CONSISTENT logic then he got handed every power up except for sage mode. He got handed kcm2, got handed six paths sage mode which he kept up until the Isshiki fight, got handed tailed beast chakra etc....
Before trying to debate put away your bias and be consistent, you can't say one character didn't earn something because he got help then say the other one earned it even though he had help too.
God i know this isnt gonna happen but it would be really really cool if Boruto and the rest of the ninja were just always weaker than the aliens and had to use ninja training and tricks and intelligence to beat them. Showing that being smart and tactical would be alot better than just being able to shoot bombs at them.
glad to se someone that has common sense and really understands what made Naruto special.
@@rwells3325 I wana see Shikamaru beat some crazy insanely unstopable monster just because he understands how things work better
@@leonxdz There needs to be a balance between wit and skillz. Anime like DBZ and one punch and many others are built around pure power fights and not much wit and actual thought just a huge specatcle. From day one Naruto was always a mixture of power and tactics which is a much more rewarding formula.
That is stupid because if shikamaru could beat a God by outsmarting them it would make the God seem week and not intelligent people still clown of hidan and call him the weakest akatsuki and people ignore when strategie was being used in the war arc
Strategy doesn't matter this is basic rule in martial arts and fighting if you have no power compreble to the person allowing you to edge out the victory that's why an average Mma fighter beats a world class heavy weight women Mma fighter
@@rwells3325 true but since the middle of war arc they started to side more with the power side but still occasionally relied on strategies wether it succeeds or fails it was still intresting to watch like the 5 kages combination attack to bypass madara's rinnegan or Minato's plan to help guy against juubidara, shikaku Nara allied forces plan to stop ten tails or even Kakashi's plan against kaguya. even with op characters they Always used 'some' level of strategies even if sometimes it failed.
but boruto took it to the next level the villains became way too op that Even the smartest characters like shikamaru became completely useless the strategy part was straight out neglected and only power matters
Avatar the last airbender managed power creep in the best way of any IP I’ve experienced. The full power and scope of Aang’s power was planned from the beginning, so they were able to plan out the exact walk to the “endgame level” so that progression felt organic, there was a hard limit of max power, and it was intended that these progressions of scale never overstayed their welcome.
And then that scaling breaks when Korra starts because it’s following the next generation, with power scaling established where Aang’s peak is now closer to the baseline - or at least the “first hurdle” to overcome.
Thats just blatantly not true, Aang is still easily top 3 in the Korra Verse
Have yu watched Korra? I'm just saying the scaling was basically untouched in Korra, it was more Additions than a breaking of the Power Scaling. No one is stronger than the avatar in Korra except for other Avatars. it's just that people had WAY MORE HACKS. i.e. Amon's Super Blood bending, Unalok became an ancient spirit basically, Zaheer and his people all had Sub-bendings minus the water bender also Zaheer unlocked Flight and only one other Airbender did that ever, and Kuviera had a Giant Mech that used Spirit Lasers. Aang would have trouble with 2/4 of these people and that's only due to special circumstances.
Plus Korra broke the chain with all of the other Avatar so if there was a 3th one it would be a reset
@@KyngJahhtbh the giant mech and spirit avatars in seasons 2 and 4 do seem like powerscaling to me (especially the spirit avatars) just not as bad. Otherwise I totally agree.
There’s an interesting compromise that could be made to avoid the power creep concerns: go TWO generations beyond the original cast. Now Boruto’s grandfather Naruto is still Hokage, but is a lot more like the 3rd Hokage- still insanely powerful, but getting old, losing stamina and reflexes and such, finding it harder to recover from a tough battle, etc. He can still swoop in to save the day against the biggest bads, but his health becomes a bigger problem each time he overexerts himself or has to heal from a major injury. New baddies are rising and Naruto can’t deal with them because his own power is waning. The sun is setting on Naruto’s era, his grandson Boruto now has to find his path in this evolving world.
Lmao that’s what they’d have done if what they were after was good storytelling. All these guys want is selling toys, making video games, and making 💰💰💰. An old dying Naruto would not accomplish that.
Frfr... they could've made Naruto's offspring a woman which could justify them being a civilain and not helping out.
They never were gonna do that because old man Naruto was never going to be as marketable as 30s and a dad Naruto.
@@Jezsomebushyreverence this is the most obvious sexist statement you could've made . being a woman does NOT equal being weak/unhelpful .
I think my only issue in terms of Power Creep in Boruto is that I feel they went after opponents who could be comparable with an Akatsuki level threat too early on. When they were faced with the evil organization Kara, I felt like they should've dealt more with actual genin and chunin level threats before so quickly jumping to inner circle people. This way people in Naruto and Sasuke's weight class could be focusing on learning about the inner circle and having some stalemate fights with them, while Boruto and his compatriots dealt with the outer circle threats for a while. Eventually leading to Boruto having built up enough experience to start dealing with inner level stuff.
I don't mind the ridiculous levels of power because it was already established it was going to go there, I just wish it didn't go there at, what to me felt like, a breakneck speed.
Just want to point out that Kinshiki isn't as hopeless as this video makes it seem. Don't forget that Kinshiki was keeping up with Sasuke's lightning cloak and during the chunin exams, Shikamaru actually had to save Sasuke with shadow possession.
Ahhhh yes Kisuke from bleach is the scientist in Boruto😂
Boruto wasnt just on the run from code, he was on the run from every hidden village that wanted him dead for killing the most beloved kage, under the training of some one who has spent a fair amount of time in the shadows
*edit boruto is actually still going to be on the run from every village knowing that omnipotence doesnt just go away
And he’s insanely broken🤞🏾❗️
How Boruto can even take a bath, eat, drink, or even have a peaceful potty time.
I saw the tile and thought " why is he taking about Pokemon?" 😂
Pokemon is an anime so why is that a shock.
tbh not every otsutsuki should be planetary....if they haven't cultivated themselves strong enough it's not crazy that the kage can jump an otsutsuki
So have some Otsutsuki be island level or near continent level?
they are tho lol
@@kapplq8271 well….. ok yeah your right on that… I was just assuming Some Otsutsuki were island/continent level
Urashiki isn't planatery. So is konshiki.
Momoshiki is around kaguya level.
Isshiki is the one outlier.
The issue is power Creep tied with Worf aspects. Boruto has to turbo charge ahead of where Naruto and Sasuke were to be relevant to these new and worse threats when they did not nearly have the time, respect or WORK put into threats like Orochimaru or Maddara. Naruto and Sasuke are not treated as the Big Goods in scenarios and they keep on writing them to be off the stage so Boruto can do things.
I don't think so. Naruto and isshiki are the absolute power cap, everyone else minus mabye the ten tails fall under these two.
Honestly the problem with Boruto isn’t necessarily power creep but the undermining of OG characters we love. Introducing hax villains and making the og said characters look like they lack any iq. Like why is Naruto’s six paths sage mode abilities never used after the war and why does Sasuke never use any other paths of the rinnegan. Boruto also is given every hax ability in TBV, while Naruto literally wasn’t at sasuke’s level until the Pain arc and showed real development and progression. There is no actual funny/comedic, deep or emotional moments in boruto besides kurama’s death or involving og characters. Also no one likes a character given everything bc the writers love this kid so much, boruto needs to balance both the newer era of characters and also pay homage to the original character we saw develop for 700 episodes . Who cares if it’s a stand alone series, we only care about boruto because of Naruto.
It’s the same way with DBS, when they hit godly levels of power, but the blasts and movements remain the same. It’s just certain people saying how they’ve improved or how much stronger they are that we can put it on a scale. Realistically, the Broly movie alone should’ve easily wiped out the planet, and possibly the Galaxy. But we ignore it because the anime’s are fun.
You and these damn sweater vests 😂
Nah it's copium from those particular fanbases 👁️ & from the OG diehard worshippers
I'm pretty sure if Naruto & Sasuke were the protagonists they would have no issues
There is no power creep bro, Kawaki has building level durability, he's not powerful man 😂😂😂.
The people who complained about power creep in Naruto:
We have always had a problem with power creep hell you mean
Why do you think people hate the war arc and kaguya?
Cause it led to madara getting backstabed and his character being done dirty @@kanyeet5162
My problem with Boruto is the fluctuation of power. What I mean by this is that one character would be stronger than another but then suddenly be weaker than that character. A good example is Sasuke. It is established that Rinnegan Sasuke with the help of Naruto couldn't beat jigen in part one. That means that Rinnegan Sasuke shouldn't even stand a chance against limitless code from part one. However, in the time skip two years later no rinnegan Sasuke is able to slash Codes eyes out and even keep up with code. The only reason Sasuke lost that fight is because he was looking after Boruto. Now I don't know how accurate Borutos words ate but still, a no rinnegan Sasuke was able to leave a mark on a limitless code.
There are many examples like this. Naruto vs Delta, the kids vs Boro
Boruto coming in post timeskip making code look like an academy student surprised me. But when you add in he’s a genius being trained by Sasuke, Koji, and learning ftg, you can expect him to be strong. I’m fine with it.
The tell-don’t-show route of Boruto is what kind of ruins Boruto for me and also the “power scalers” ruin the community for me
Edit: It all starts with Amado talking about Code, not Jigen/Isshiki … they showed us HOW and WHY Jigen beat Naruto and Sasuke (Jigen absorbed 10 tails Chakra and has abilities that Naruto and Sasuke can’t deal with) and Isshiki bodies them because he’s not held back by Jigens body. But NOTHING Code has done makes me believe that he could beat Jigen, Naruto, or Sasuke beside Amado just saying it’s true
even still. baby tentails and naruto and sasuke on their own should far surpass a ten tails.
Because code was unlucky to be fighting against the strongest people in the verse in daemon and boruto 😂😂so he is bound to look weak it is the same as jogo vs gojo or sukuna
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi thats the problem though, that’s why i said Amado saying that Code was strong than Jigen was the START of the problem with the story FOR ME (if you’re fine with it that’s fine). It takes me out of the story because we just saw these fights with Jigen and Isshiki and I think “wow these guys are monsters” and then we see Code get stomped twice with NO feats and then we’re supposed to believe that Daemon and Boruto are stronger than Jigen (which they are, but I just have to accept what the story tells me), I just wish we saw Code do something that made me believe he was stronger than Jigen, just like Jigen/Isshiki did by stomping Naruto and Sasuke
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi also Rinnegan-less Sasuke took out Codes eye while protecting Boruto and also fighting Claw Grimes .. I can’t imagine Sasuke doing that to Jigen just because Sasuke and Naruto barely did anything to Jigen
@@NewtBannnercode wasn't serious nor was he using karma once he got serious he took Sasuke out as the grime have no chance of beating Sasuke unless code actually beat him and injured him badly for the grimes to then bite him.
I genuinely don’t get the hate for boruto the anime isn’t as bad as everyone said and the manga is better than most people just want Naruto to be like goku and steal the protagonist spot from boruto which is ridiculous Naruto’s character has been fleshed out in full his story ended when he got Sasuke back to the village imo
The anime during its slice of life arcs was fine. It's the manga that it's the issue. It changed names, had a time skip, sent the protagonist into the wilderness, and put the previous protagonists out of commission and we still don't have a single compelling concept, plot line, scheme, or villain.
Any other manga would've been canceled years ago, like during the Ao arc, but this is Shueisha's baby so I guess we have to put up with it.
Art style with a lots and lots of speedlines, goofy looking characters just name a few
Mfs these days love to nit pick over a story that's in it's beginnings. If they just shut their mouthes and let Kishimoto cook and build up the story, most of the problems they have would be resolved
@@randomguy8647 Naruto was good since chapter 1.
@@loliH9oh yea what about everything after the failed sasuke retrieval arc until mfkin shippuden… 😐
I think the problem with Boruto's power creep isn't just the fact that it exists tbh. It's the fact that, in order to satisfy it, older characters were nerfed beyond belief to the point that the 12 year old kids were securing the front lines against the supernatural aliens at a certain point.
Although it seems like such a light touch, I think genuinely the power creep of Boruto would've been significantly easier to receive if Momoshiki visited the planet when Boruto and the gang were already 17-18 with jonin-kage+ level power within reasonable expectation instead of literal genin children.
When Naruto came back from his timeskip he wasn’t so above everyone else in the verse power scale wise so there was room to grow for him as well as other characters
Boruto is so above everyone else already it feels like he’s reached endgame. Even if there are other challenging opponents for him, he’s so above everyone else that it leaves little room for the supporting cast a chance to shine
Yeah but naruto wasnt constantly beign hunted down by literally everyone if he was he would've done the whole gaining contreole of kurama thing during the timeskip if be did that he would pretty much stomp everyone other than madara obito amd that level charecters
the fact that code who was hyped to be a major antagonist got stomped on by base boruto is a good indication of the absurd powercliffing in the series
Code getting stomped is part of his character writing and he isn't a major villain yet
Also, what people think someone is doesn't make it so. They assumed that code would be a bad ass becuase of his potential power. Potential and actual are rarely the same.
He was never hyped to be a major villian
Naruto absolutely got accused of power creep as well, what is this "naruto wasn't" crap lol
People who say Naruto didn’t power creep didn’t watch Naruto lol
Except it was earned power creep and not unrivaled in the lore.
Boruto is at a level above every shinobi except Naruto BM without any feats or amps shown why?? 😂😂
What did he do to gain his power/skill.
“Well you see, Boruto has a magic eye, that can do everything it needs to do”
@@natenae8635 the eye's not even manga canon yet 💀. Also we're only 8 chapters into the new manga we'll probably get more flashbacks about Boruto's training, just let Kishimoto cook
@natenae8635 Boruto is 100% outsutsuki + 3 years of actual training. He's akin to sasuke at the start of shippuden. Kawaki is basically naruto, weak coming straight out of timeskip.
@@natenae8635 Jougan has barely been used
I think the part of power creep that people don't discuss enough about is how it pushes a lot of characters to the wayside
Want some crazy writing?... The power creep continues.. Boruto keeps getting stronger, Sasuke gets 3 rinne sharingans, Naruto becomes the 10 tails jinchuriki and sage of 6 paths, etc... most of the characters become planetary threats.. at their weakest. Thats when Shibai steps in... only no one can touch him, and they lose. No huge crazy fight, no 12 episode battle.. All this time, work, and build up leads to a single moment where he waves his hand, and like a well placed EMP, knocks everyone back to the stone age. No one remembers how to use jutsu, none of the tech remains.. Now they have to start from scratch and figure out how chakra works just like the days after Hamura and Hagoromo. In about a 10 minute scene, power scaling fixed.
“No amount of battle iq could make up for an incomprehensible large gap in strength and speed”~~~
Enters: BATMAN
Overrated
Ah yes, plot armor Batman for the win... 🙄
If you’re referring to Batman vs Superman, Superman didn’t want to kill Batman but if he did he would’ve easily one shot him
@@jacoblofton4513 read comics
@@jacoblofton4513 ok so point them out
It happened in Avatar the last air bender and Korra, some of the Avatar stuff can be explained with some spiritual lore but the blood bending and even more so the lightning bending was way too easy for everybody...
Think of it like this. You think FIRELORD ZUKO would GATEKEEP lightning bending just because it was a “royal technique”??? HELL NO. He taught his fellow people. Just like toph taking something niche like metal bending and having a whole school for earth benders everywhere. The opposite was done for blood bending, because, at its core, its disturbing. Look at unolaq. And as for air bending and lava bending, flying is still very hard to achieve, and lava is still somewhat rare, with only about 7 people showing their prowess in it (most being avatars with the exception of tophs student and bolin)
But my thing is dont you think spreading the secrets of these texhniques to more people actually balances the playing field and does the opposite by getting rid of ann chance of a power cliff
@@xenothekami888 Lightning bending was not just a royal technique but a master level technique. The usage should go up as the information becomes more readily available but having every random dude at the power plant able to do it is a stretch. Zuko couldnt even do it.
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY Zuko couldn't do it in ATLA due to his inner turmoil. I'm fairly certain that he would eventually be able to do so after all of the comics and he became more comfortable and confident as the Fire Lord. It probably became a lot more common when people found out you could use lightning bending to add to the power grid. It was still rare enough though that it was used for a gangster name (lightning bolt zolt).
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY you summed up my thoughts pretty good, having more people knowing how to do it isn't the issue but it's just the mondane feel to it. Metal bending is way more easier because it's not a life and death thing
My man’s looking like Aizen with the glasses switch 😭
But the question is if all the antagonists are gods that can only be handled by 2 characters then what's the point of the side characters, what do they do and why do they exist?
I feel like bleach handled the power creep well with all the shinigami playing a role in the last arc and being powerful enough to be useful.
But now for example in boruto we have shikamaru as a hokage... wtf can shikamaru do ? Kakashi, Tsunade, rock Lee , gaara and all the new gen kids who were introduced in both anime and manga... what's the point?
Even in Naruto's finale we had guy, Kakashi, Sakura, Tsunade, Gaara all being somewhat useful in their own way
The code power creep is wild. Hey just through out a phrase and made him above jigen....then gets curve stomped.
Then theres every one else. How can any non charma character even compete
I think there's a thin line between Power Creep and Technique Creep
Wow that gundam wing call out got me to the core this is why I love Nick the man knows what his people likes
Shikamaru in Boruto is stronger than every single shinobi from the 4th alliance amped with biju chakra making them 1000s of times stronger combined.
love the content! literally get me theu every day of my life. LOVE YA NICK. keep up the great work
How did you do the Naruto picture
I feel like too many anime fans look at strength and fighting prowess as a linear number that just goes straight up and makes you perfect, when it's a wheel of traits that all need to be trained respectively.
Someone who is strong against one type of opponent isn't going to be that same kind of strong against every opponent. Boruto is taking the time to remind everyone that these characters are extremely capable and adaptable and will grow in whatever direction is necessary to overcome a diverse set of obstacles, instead of always just pulling out the next bigger shinier gun.
The only objective and logical comment here man. 💯
Yes 💯
Exactly. People always bring up code being stronger than jigen but willfully ignore that jigen has eons of experience on him. Naruto and Sasuke could probably beat code. Code would not of survive that neck chop from sasuke in the jigen fight.
People need to be reminded time and time again that Naruto isn't Dragon Ball. Having a bigger number (within reason) doesn't automatically make you stronger than someone else.
@@FriendlyDarkwraithnaruto isn’t but naruto shippuden and boruto are
How does bro make all these vids?! He’s on a crazy run rn, keep it up!
Again nick with the fits. At this point he needs to start another page titled “ncdresser” where he shows us some of these outfits. First The knitted vest now the fuzzy colors? If I tried to pull it off I’d look like a goofball but he’s got the drip for days
Dude, there are no better examples of power creep than Naruto, Itachi and Sasuke, ah but how Boruto is the powerful, that's already wrong 💀
the thing about og naruto is that the first episode talks about the nine tailed fox leveling cities and mountains, this was supposed to be the power ceiling of the universe, but it got broken around the pain arc when he leveled konoha and was shown battling high tailed kyubi cloaks
That was never the power ceiling because it was never stated the nine tails is the strongest thing to ever exist in the naruto world and it Got defeated so by this logic minato is the power ceiling but in most shonen at the time it's all about surpassing your predasessors
No it wasn't your the one who assumed that, then got disappointed when the reality of the story didn't match your expectation.
The fact Nick can make this video about boruto and not jujutsu kaisen with sakuna breathing and beating everyone is kinda crazy
Naruto Explained has done videos articulating in detail how the current kage from the other villages are undoubtedly stronger than their predecessors
the term Power Creep is not mainly used in manga, but in all the fictious universes: games (RPGs, TCGs, etc), all kind of literature, etc. Is just a term to describe that the old is surprassed by the new in order to focus the relevancy in the new.
Ex1: a old card in TCG (magic, yugioh, pokemon) is made with similar atributes but with a better version of itsefl, making the old card irrelevant in comparison in order to increased the desire of said card to up the sales
Ex2: a weak version of a monster in a RGP that later in the game is copied with a different color to show the growth of stats
Ex3: new villan that shows up to increase the hurdle for the heros, like dragon ball as you said
Power creep was very much real in Naruto Shippuden as well. I'd probably say that some time after the Pain Arc and definitely during the War Arc, characters were outputting powers and techniques that just kinda felt like it was coming out of nowhere in order to make flashier and bigger booms to make the war more interesting. And people were complaining back then as well.
In fact, this may be one of the reasons that the Obito vs Kakashi fight is so fondly remembered. Neither one had a giant form that they fight with. Neither one had some planetary attack. They were using weapons, taijutsu and ninjutsu to battle each other and it felt like the old Naruto that we came to love.
But power creep is an issue in almost all shonen. Especially shonen that goes on too long. Each enemy must be stronger than the last. Each threat must be greater than the last. And all characters need to struggle, look hopeless and then come back and win with some new power.
The only shonen I know of that was about to keep this under control is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Because each part resets the power scale back to a relatively low amount in order to make the build up new and refreshing. Kars was, and arguably still is, one of the strongest antagonists in the whole series. But it doesn't subtract from the threat of Kira at all in his own respective part.
Boruto's "powercreep" mainly concerns 2 things: the phrase "stronger than Jigen" and what exactly the Kara Ten Tails is. Firstly, Jigen basically had to stack the deck against Naruto and Sasuke, including choosing the arena where they fought and absorbing Ten Tails chakra to stabilize Jigen's body long enough to defeat both of them. He also had abilities which, at that point, were a complete mystery to them, and could absorb ninjutsu with Karma which already forced them to fight at a disadvantage. When Amado said Code was "stronger than Jigen", we have no idea exactly which version of Jigen he meant. Base? V1 or V2 Karma? V2 with the Ten Tails chakra amp, however much that was? It's an intentionally nebulous statement. Furthermore, as an Otsutsuki who has lived for thousands of years, Jigen's battle experience would dwarf Code's by centuries. And since Code's White Karma is defective, it likely doesn't have the experience transfer that Karma's "true essence" is stated to confer. Code is also, quite simply, an idiot. Even then, Boruto didn't feel like he was able to take on an unlimited Code until he developed the Uzuhiko, which is one of the most hax Rasengan variants in existence.
And secondly, the Kara Ten Tails is the source of the Shinju's power, so knowing how powerful it is is imperative to understanding the Shinju. We already know that having self-awareness and the ability to control vast amounts of power is what makes jinchuuriki superior to their bijuu counterparts, so the same likely applies to the newly-awakened Shinju. However, it's impossible to deny that the Kara Ten Tails itself is likely significantly weaker than the Ten Tails in Shippuden, which was absolutely massive in size even in its incomplete first form. Furthermore, it's been referred to on several occasions to be a "juvenile" Ten Tails, which along with its already diminished size, further supports the idea that it's not to be directly compared with its Shippuden counterpart.
And finally, while Isshiki was "stronger than Jigen" by a significant margin, he was also weaker in 2 significant aspects: duration and the extent to which he could fully utilize his power. Jigen, while in Karma V2 and with a Ten Tails chakra amp, was able to effortlessly penetrate Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o and Naruto's complete Kurama Avatar. Isshiki, however, while showing feats of great strength and speed, didn't showcase anything on par with that. Either because he couldn't in his crumbling body, or because doing so would burn up so much of his lifespan that it'd basically be suicide. Keep in mind that, even before Baryon Mode, Isshiki had already burned through 2/3rds of his lifespan in his short battle with Kashin Koji and with the Konoha shinobi. Before Baryon Mode, he had just over 20 of the approximate 72 hours he was stated to have upon being resurrected. Isshiki's advantages over Jigen came from being able to utilize Sukunahikona and Daikokuten as a dojutsu instead of through Karma, in addition to increased base stats and the Byakugan. Naruto and Sasuke could pressure Jigen in Karma V1 while working as a team, and could even momentarily swap hands with V2 Jigen, but neither of them could even touch Isshiki, much less exchange blows with him. If you want to talk about absurd nerfs in Boruto, then look no further than poor Isshiki.
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agreed
I understand that a man has to promote himself, but when I see a 30 minute video Id like 28 minutes of content if it's something I'm interested in
I can't be mad at the power creep in Boruto when the Power Creep in Shippuden exists.
OG Naruto was pretty solid in terms of how the pose scaling progressed. You knew who was strong, and you saw how people grew relative to them.
Then Shippuden came and suddenly the power progression just goes haywire; Randomly broken people just start appearing left and right with no explanations, power jumps happen in an instant, people that were supposed to be powerful turn out to actually be either way stronger or weaker then was explained to us; and that doesn't even begin to account for exactly *HOW* broken things ended up getting.
So if anything; Boruto power scaling is ironically closer to how things worked in OG. The only difference is that the base minimum is such orders of magnitude higher than it was before it almost becomes impossible to think about.
What if because Naruto shared his and kuramas chakra with everyone during the war arc, their bodies adapted to having large amounts of chakra and increased their chakra reserve space, inadvertently increasing everyone’s overall power passively
Honestly, one of the things i thought was weird was how Jigen/Isshiki just zoomed through their "chakra mechs"
like the armor of the perfect Susanoo doesnt crack, Kuramas cloak doesnt flicker and distort, he just seemingly P H A S E D straight through.
If he done something to make it make sense like: absorbed part of it with the karma, used his dojutsu, or straight it showed him crashing into the chakra and it giving way, showing wild physical strength. But nope, he just flows through like nothing.
Especially when you consider that you can't enter a susanoo or the kurama cloak unless the person allows you to
@@Numba14 BORUTO BROKE LORE AGAIN??? Boruto is pretty much fanfiction at this point 🤣🤣🤣
@@CristanioPeweyyy Kaguya did the same thing to the Sasuke's susanno twice. Onoki and Raikage destroyed Madara susanno in the war arc. Oh and not to forget Tsunade and Raikage did it again. Susanno isn't invincible it can be destroyed by Ninjutsu or Taijutsu amplified with sufficient chakra. Try to take off your Nostalgia tinted goggles and bury your bias.
@@m.k.o7610 Cry m8 😂😂
Shippuden also broke OG lore, but Boruto does it on a whole different level 😂😂😂😂
@@CristanioPeweyyyYou're literally just yapping lmao
I like the power creep, it makes sense here with the otsutsukis and then boruto training with these powers compared to madara and Hashirama just being overpowered compared to their own clansmen who are already op.
Madara has been hyped up ever since Naruto and sasuke first fight in part one and his fight with hashirama was already established at least they use different jutsu compare to boruto villains and hashirama and madara are well written and way better than any characters in boruto
@@ayhamahmad2277 still a power creep.
And to me Boruto is more well written
@@azrael_morningstar boruto is well written don't make me laugh boruto is terrible in every single way compared to Shippuden fillers are even better in the villans in boruto are terrible compared to Naruto villains and Shippuden are are great especially pain compared to anything comes form boruto even the war arc is better and madara is more popular than any characters come form boruto
@@ayhamahmad2277 well no shit, the show you need to watch in order to watch Boruto is more popular than Boruto 💀
@@azrael_morningstar fillers are more interesting than boruto
I tend to lean towards I can see the power creep in Boruto but I don't think it's near as bad as a lot of people say it is. I also don't think it takes away from the story. If you say that power creep takes away from Boruto's story, you might as well say that power creep takes away from the story of every anime, because EVERY battle anime has power creep. And I guarantee you, no one would say that. It's just another argument for people who don't like Boruto, or for those who don't even want to give it a chance.
I think the power creep is a normal thing for battle manga but it made more sense in part one naruto and most of shippuden because it’s was following naruto growing stronger while we had stronger people already existing for him to strive towards realistically over time with only madara and kaguya being the only absurd nonsense pushing the bar above and beyond causing things to spiral at an accelerated rate
ratio lil bro
boruto is a sequel
spinoff ≠ sequel
look up the difference
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Walcome your racist and R word joke making ass was needed in this channel.
i think with things like naruto learning the rasengan really quickly the theme of ninjutsu vs technology is also in big play here. Relatively everyone like kid himiwari being really good at using the byakugan at a young age, i think people are also just able to learn and apply things alot faster. before the timeskip it didnt take much at all for boruto to learn multiple new rasengans like the compression rasengan. even in the movie yes he was given chakura but was still able to handle the intensity of a giant rasengan at such a young age. with technology and the karma it is esentally programmed into you and to match with that we have quick learners. with naruto having the time skip with jiriya getting stronger boruto was almost undoubtedly going to at least scale exponentially being with both sasukae and kashin koji. Sasukae was an expert at combat and was witty, while kashin koji could teach him more like utilizing frogs and sage mode. Boruto being able to utilize all aspects of combat to his advantage plus being a quick thinker and learner makes it easy to believe he could have a power increase this big. And naruto while always taking training seriously had lost nothing yet, while boruto has lost everything which makes dedicating himself to training and bringing back his loved ones even more impactful on his training.
Yes he is stated to be a super genius prodigy that basically masters everything he tries immediately. Thats not really good writing at all.
My only thing is, at that point Naruto has just lost his first and best friend, Sasuke. So he would’ve been training as hard as possible it was just underwhelming when we saw him in shippuden. But yeah I pretty much agree
7:25 there is a way around this seen in Naruto, explain that there are limited resources. Kakashi can't beat Haku because he's handling Zabuza, and the same with stopping Gaara in the Sand-Sound invasion.
The problem is that this requires very good writing, and an expansive world not focused entirely on the main characters.
Power creep is a completely realistic and common sense concept. Technology and weapons devolop exponentially in the real world, so why wouldn’t they in an abnormally long running franchise that’s literally now got Advancement as one of its core themes ? The fights have tended to be contained into taijutsu in any case
Isshiki when he first came to the planet (likely stronger than his Jigen body or his timed rebirth body) being ripped in half, when Kaguya had little to no power even by surprise makes him seem super weak/not durable.
Glass cannon excuse works I suppose. But then he should have folded when Naruto in Baryon mode was kicking him around.
Its a big ol triangle of whose stronger cause their feats dont make sense.
Kaguya had the rinnesharingan when she came to earth
To be fair she did catch him off guard
When you remember Lee and Sasuke cut Madara in half and zetsu punched a hole straight through him.
Kaguya in the manga always had her rinnesharigan and most likely most of her abilities the most prevalent being the ash bones and truth seeking orbs.
Those ignore durabililuty outght so she hitting you with that while your back is turned would naturally rip you apart regardless of your own durability ir defense
@@FallenPhoenix-ml5mn good points. Big universe to remember everything in.
Though @NCHammer23 had another short where he stated Kaguya was the first to have Chakra after eating the fruit. So she would have had to somehow without powers get the drop on Isshiki and be strong enough to rip him in half. Then get the fruit to do the rest of what she did.
power creeping is needed for battle series, yall want shit to be the same? then you'd hate wuxia works
The power level being consistent throughout the series is better though
@@goby1764Its not consistent. Kawaki is suppose to be a jigen level threat, guess what happens? Dude gets knockedout by a building level attack 😂😂😂. Bro, Sakura holding back can destroy a building 😂😂😂😂
@@goby1764 I prefer power creeps over consistent power levels
@@azrael_morningstar why, people just use the excuse it's inconsistent so it shouldn't go to how strong they really are. And if something is not consistent what's the point of the power creep
Trash take
There is so much wrong with the reddit post.
Edit: In fact the reddit post doesn't actually address the issue at all. It just stated that abilities exist and then proceeded to use NLF. Powercreep means the creep in AP and speed, which is still there and is by a lot. In no way shape or form can edo Madara keep up with Kinshiki in speed. Even this video doesn't answer any questions. The previous Gokage cannot keep up with the current one in terms of speed alone. The AP is a whole another issue.
Am glad people aren't taking his words as truth alone and are doing their own research
@@alfyadtyler12 It's not hard when he's that wrong. Nick is great at a lot of stuff. Powerscaling isn't one of them.
@@ushnishchakraborty you're absolutely right
Kinshiki doesn't seem that powerful, why do you think edo madara couldn't fight him?
@@Codyslx cos you're looking at edo madara through the less of his susanoo and intrigued by his rinnegan, nostalgia and other stuff while otsutsuki have been shown to blow it up with enough force, momoshiki has a rinnegan so he knows the counters to it the rinnegan abilities, his speed, physicality and raw power just trumps madara easily....Sasuke is my measuring bar here and the Sasuke whom kinshiki fought is more powerful than madara and look at how their fight went.
If that was edo madara he gets ripped apart and sealed easily.
He's got centuries of experience on madara too, battle experience.
↪️ The issue here is naruto and boruto fans have been made to think these characters are weak cos of how they've been portrayed especially by the anime and fight sequence where their made to look weaker than the 3rd raikage for example and fans just roll with it, even most think momoshiki isn't strong cos of this, they think he's not as powerful as kaguya even or delta or madara 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂.
NCHammer, I think you should probably just have an emil episode and invite them on to chat about all of their theories or something lol.
"Not nearly as bad as Dragon Ball." He says...
Right...
Ngl this is exactly the same as Dragon Ball right down to the part where the advent of the second generation experiences little to no new credible threats that don't involve planet conquering aliens.
Edit: Or a scientist using their data to artificially create them.
The villains get 10 times stronger every arc in Dragon Ball
It's been 2 years multiple arcs in Boruto and Isshiki is still the peak of the verse
@@PrimalIncentiveI'm more concerned with the impact and pacing the power creep had on the story rather than raw numbers.
And technically Shibai is the peak of the verse. We're just dealing with the build up to it still.
Naruto brought peace to the Shinobi world. Undoing that would make all the themes and sacrifices from the 500 chapters of Naruto irrelevant. Despite the very big flaws that the anime has, it's done a great job bringing earthly threats for Boruto and the rest to deal with between Otsutsuki dilemmas in the monthly manga.
I largely agree. My only point of quibbling is the idea that the universe's progression is "no where near Dragon Ball" is incredibly uncharitable and unrealistic when it has resulted in many of the same story beats.
I try to watch these videos but it’s just a bunch of gum flapping going on
Power Creep is like Inflation in Economics. If you gain too much of it too quickly; your story will lose value on the basis that there's no scale to it and no one knows what is what.
If you have none of it though, then you basically have nothing; there will be no further progress nor wins or losess.
But you will always have it, and you will always need it; so it must be applied to the Goldilocks rule.
I think the reason why fans complain about power creep in Boruto is that prior to the Blank Period in Shippuden, characters trained to get to their scaling. Naruto, Sasuke, and Sarada trained to reach their power levels, we saw their struggle to learn new techniques and boost their strengths. Training in Boruto, at least for the protagonists, rarely occurs or they master a new technique in 2 or 3 episodes max, like the new forms of Rasengan created by Boruto, or Sarada suddenly being able to use Chidori. How many episodes or issues of Naruto did it take Sasuke to master chidori? We even see him training in early episodes of Shippuden to make new long-range attacks with chidori. We don't see the training in Boruto, except for the supporting characters like Team 10 or even Himawari. And though it's explained by Sasuke that Boruto is a genius and he's taught Boruto everything he could, it feels like unlocking a cheat code, and thus power creep. The same goes for Sarada suddenly skipping the growth from a two tomoe sharingan to suddenly having dual MS. She's the child of the 2 most powerful humans on the planet behind Naruto, but it feels like a power creep because there wasn't training involved in the upgrade.
Yeah, I think they'll show some flashbacks to Boruto's time skip training as they did in Shippuden. Plus Obito also skipped his 3 tomoe Sharingan and went directly from 2 to MS when he saw Rin die.
Ishiki/jigen not surfacing until now is pretty simple. Ishiki has been looking for a vessel because jigen was incompatible. Prior to Amado there was no way for him to place a karma (because he was too weak). He needed to find a 10 tails He didn't intervene in the 4GNW because he would risk losing his only body. If he moved in on that battle Kaguya could've bodied him. Fast forward 16 years;he has a perfect vessel nearly fully extracted, and a ten tails to siphon for power, and his next body goes missing, it's the only reason he would risk dying. The real question is where did the 10 tails come from? How did he get it? What are the chances the second ten tails is shibi's?
The time slip arc just messes up powerscaling implying Kid Naruto and Jiraiya are that strong is ridiculous
I think the problem is that we see naruto learning from the beginning like in the land of waves walking up trees exercise and as far as the manga not sure about the anime we never actually see boruto learning anything that's particularly hard for him like him with the rasengan he just picked it up were we see narto struggle for it so we saw narto leave to the time skip knowing he will be struggling but will come back strong where as in boruto just left never really having to struggle to learn anything and just came back o.p. so I feel people are finding it less engaging because they feel there not as involved with his growth as they were with naruto
I personally have no issue with power creep. Sure we can't have the main character just grow millions of times stronger under the span of a few minutes but it's how you approach the growth of the character's power. Maybe the character has a hax power which allows them to overcome someone stronger than them, maybe they have a transformation of some kind allowing them to match up or surpass they're opponents. The thing is the next opponent has to be stronger than the previous and they need to properly explain why the main character is so much stronger. Maybe you can say on the way to the demon king's castle the main character was defeating his minions and slowly built up power. Maybe the main character has the villain's weakness and uses it to beat them. Maybe the main character has a legendary item that helps balance out the power gap. Sure Boruto is a 100% otsutsuki and trained for 3 years but has somehow surpassed Code, Kawaki and even Baryon Naruto within the span of 3 years in base form. It feels like a massive jump of power even if he assimilated all of Momoshiki's powers and abilities in his base form.
I don't think Power Creep on its own is a problem. It's kinda necessary. I think the problem with Boruto is that the Power Creep is not centered around Boruto and instead is done around Naruto. I think the Power Creep should have been reset for Boruto. We can still have threats that require Naruto and Sasuke to be involved, but it shouldn't have been the main focus. Now that Naruto and Sasuke are out of the picture and there are threats on their power level, Boruto is going to have to be at that power level. That fast of progression doesn't feel good.
Screenwriter here. I've never worked on animation but obviously I'm a fan of anime, but I do work on tv dramas and the samething happens there- only there isn't really a term for it. You see it most often in long format shows that don't have a central plot so you're tasked with constantly upping the anty in order to engage audiences. Think of shows like Pretty Little Liars and Riverdale or a soap opera where the things that are happening don't really make sense but they do out do what happened in the last mid season finale, so it's exciting right! Right?
It's really all in how you handle the story, because it can work. A great show that does it well is Scandal. The characters, particularly the main character, does become more powerful (politically etc) throughout the series but it feels natural because it resonates with who she is as a person, what she's working towards, and the story surrounding her. The show never had a central plot to set a power ceiling with, like say Avatar did with the Firelord being the established big bad from day 1 so we knew where the "peak" would be, but the writers were in control of the "power creeping" and it wasn't just being driven by the network ordering more seasons or your budget doubling between this season and the last.
With Boruto I would say they did a kinda poor job of handling the power creeping in the beginning but Kishimoto has done a good job of trying to redirect since he's taken over the reigns again. Especially with TBV, we've seen that Kishimoto is setting up ways for multiple characters to keep pace (even tho yes they will be weaker) with Boruto and the power ceiling currently in TBV, which will help things feel more organic. He's also tying their power ups into relevant details of their life that we already know instead of random information we just found out about which helps their power ups feel more intentional. Now the Shinju are kind of a grey area right now, but I think again he's doing a good job of telling their story instead of just showing their power, so it feels less like power creeping and more like the natural progression of a story. Boruto's new rasengan is also a bit of a question mark but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since we haven't gotten a reference to or explanation about it since it debuted. Same with him knowing flying raijin- if you tell a good story around it, fans will enjoy it.
Really power creeping is inevitable, so it all boils down to how you handle it. In the best cases like in Avatar it's clearly planned for and folds naturally into the story without being a distraction. Worst case you end up with two separate unexplained evil bunker torture chamber model houses built by two different mean girls in a hoodie just because it would shock the audience.
the thing naruto had was that the older people remained fundamentally very strong while in boruto everyone is a freaking genius with God level abilities
This is the problem, y'all blow everything out of proportion. Half of Boruto's generation would still lose to their parents back in og Naruto
@@PrimalIncentiveno the hell they wouldn't i put that on my dogs life
@@mombu730 Then your dog is dead
@@PrimalIncentiveTitan (my dog) is literally tweaking out, what do I do😭😭
@@PrimalIncentivejus tell me who in boruto is not beating their parents in OG
Power creep isn't just about the next threats being stronger than the last, it's about raising the achievable maximum. Naruto had with the strongest being Hiruzen, where upon the strongest became Pain, whereupon the strongest was Hashirama, whereupon the strongest was Madara, whereupon the strongest was Madara with the 10 tails, whereupon the strongest was Kaguya.
The problem is - in the short amount of time when Naruto lives the logical maximum for the viewer has grown over 10 times. It is practically a different story with how powers grow
The other problem is how newer and stronger villains appear - the newest strongest villains are but pieces of the ten tails, and each is stronger than a tentails Jinchuuriky by a huge margin. For no apparent reason.
I don't know who wasn't accusing Naruto of power creeps when everyone I knew complained about that especially me. That was the worse part of Shippuden because Naruto specifically during the war arc.
The writers need to think bigger in terms of plot & imagination. I personally would’ve liked to have seen an aged jaraiya looking Naruto and Sasuke to start the series off.
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I feel this discussion skirted around the implication that Momoshiki is comparable to Isshiki because every time Boruto and Kawaki clash with or without Karma they are relative in part 1. But if Isshiki is so much stronger than Naruto and Sasuke Kawaki should be leaps and bounds over Boruto.
I don't think the power has grown much at all rather the hax have increased in scope.
To summarize... It's like how random villains just come fresh outta Toriyama's ass stronger than the one(s) before. Just 'cause.
The power cap has been the biggest issue in the series for years... specially at the end of shippuden with madara being so strong that the author had to kill him in one of the dumbest ways possible while buffing naruto and sasuke until they were literal gods compared to the side casts, and in boruto the story repeats itself. That is why I think classic naruto had such an great power scaling balance compared to the rest of the series.
Gurren Lagann's power creep was the plot lol
And Gurren Lagann had MANY timeskips to make it feel more normal
This concept is part of the reason why I have an issue with Boruto's Existance. Particularly the fact that Naruto and Sasuke also still being in it. There was no way to write this story without ruining Naruto's Legacy, and making the new characters so damn strong, it doesn't make sense.
I knew it was over when Naruto was beating the great ninjas in history with shadow clones 😂
Truth be told if Boruto did it's transition similar to how Dragon Ball was going to do with Goku and Gohan. You know showing the kid had potential but still keeping Naruto really relevant and making the transition more seamless.
Like I think most people wouldn't have hated Gohan permanently taking over as MC.
I disagree that a spin-offspring needs to start at a comparable power level to the original. If the sequel immediately introduces stakes that are as high or higher than the original, it cheapens the stakes of the original. This is my main gripe with power creep in general, that and unearned power ups for both good and bad guys(Madara being able to do things like use Kamui while the ten-tails jinchuriki, Minato being a perfect sage And a perfect jinchuriki etc).
Take Naruto and Boruto(the shows, not the characters). At the end of Naruto, Madara and Kaguya were defeated and the world was saved. Boruto doesn't have to start with another world ending threat of the same level as Madara and Kaguya, that should be much later on and should be built up to in the background while a new story is told. After all, now the leaders of the shinobi nations know that others like Kaguya are out there and might be coming, so they need to prepare. What will that look like, and what will the shinobi system/world look like now that the nations have come together to take down such a large threat? By exploring that, while building up to the coming threat, you could tell a new story through the new generation that doesn't invalidate/cheapen the previous story.
And you could work in the whole "why don't the older generation just save the new when they are in danger" by having the older generation wanting to do that, but having to stop themselves because the new generation needs to grow stronger and you don't grow stronger while coddled by your parents.
Power Growth is fine. Building up the stakes and powers over time is fine, but power creep like it is done in Dragonball, Naruto and Boruto leads to such massive power jumps for both the bad guys and the good guys. I rarely see people complain about Naruto being a perfect sage, because we saw him work for it, but I do see people complain about Minato being a perfect sage. Because we had never heard about him even training as a sage before that and it felt unearned. Unearned power ups are a symptom of power creep, imo.
I fundamentally disagree with the idea that you can't hit a reset button without keeping the characters current power levels. They live in a ninja village; characters will constantly be on missions, and the children have to fill in the gaps like they did in Naruto.
I also hate the idea of power scaling and lines of logic like "X beat Y, so Y can't beat Z". I think people fail to consider how a characters toolkit interacts with another characters, in relation to their power feats.
I think the worst part of power creep isn't inherently that characters get stronger, it's that only about 4 or 5 of them get stronger. There were about a million characters in Naruto that were beloved, and a lot of them got stronger, but none of them have magic eyes so now they don't matter. Tenten has weapons from the actual sage of six paths, does she get to use them? no, those're just shop decorations now. All of the kage are supposed to be stupid strong, and they actually are, I'd comfortably say most of them are near the peak of what a normal ninja is capable of(not you Chojuro), but they're contending with actual demigods and gods. You might as well have never even met most of Boruto's class for all the use they get in the story. Oh yeah, shikishiki is coming to run Konoha's fade, better get Chocho to get fatter at him. It's why I think Kishimoto's biggest problem is how reductive he is when he used to be so good at world building. only 5 people actually matter. the only actually evil people are Danzo and the Otsutsuki. And now all ninjutsu, you know, the stuff every ninja clan has been working on for centuries now to make their own unique and powerful? that's all just a watered down version of something only Otsutsuki can do
My biggest problem with power creep and the whole power creep argument is that I feel Boruto rushed to catch up to Naruto's power level, in part 1 of Naruto he pulled off some great feats but against really strong opponents either Kakashi or Jiraya would pop in to rescue him. Combined with the fact the power scaling isn't consistent (Konohamaru should probably be a match for part 1 Kakashi considering they're supposed to fill similar roles and Kono knows a lot of really strong techniques). Though the biggest issue with arguing about power scaling is comparing Boruto's power scaling to the war arc... the arc people say is rushed and the characters seem to just *get* the abilities needed to compensate. Saying Boruto is power creeping less than the war arc is not a high bar and we should expect better.
I guess what isn't ever discussed is that just because you win a fight doesn't mean you're more powerful. There's luck and better battle IQ that can win out.
Borato casually beating baryon mode is clearly not a sign of power creep right ?