France BANNED Short Haul Flights, But...
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- the "what something says it does" and what it actually does is usually far apart lol.
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This ban only prevents people from buying those short flights if it is their entire air travel. If you are buying it as a connection, you can still buy these short flights. Ex. New York->Paris->Lyon can be bought but Paris->Lyon only could not be bought.
But why would airlines offer such flights if so few people - only those who just arrived from overseas. - can take them?
As a resident in Nantes I can confirm we still have 2-4 daily flights to Paris, as Chance Aucoin just said you can only book these flights if you have a connecting flight afterwards. Like you can fly Nantes to Paris to Marseille if we take the cities discussed in this video. There are plenty more other itineraries which aren't banned ofcourse ;)
@@danielgerber7422 did you watch the video?
@@danielgerber7422 they just have the flights at predetermined times and fill them up like any other flight
@@danielgerber7422 it is not "so few people", its just not as many. so instead of using the biggest planes, they use slightly smaller ones... its not rocket science
A positive effect is the train company is encouraged to invest in infrastuctures to meet the 2.5 hour threshold everywhere it's possible (because when it's done there is no competition with airline companies anymore).
So yes it's only 5 flight... for now !
I don't know a lot of places that could be reached in less than 2.5 hours in France soon by adding more infrastructure. Even after the HSL, Toulouse will still be 3.5 hours (it's 4.5 to 5 nowadays).
They already have the TGV, the positive effect is that TGV will have more demand and thus be able to increase capacity and throughput via higher sales. So benefits are: Rail gets the investment it deserves, Environmentally friendlier, more economically efficient, humans stop needless waste that holds back development.
That's what I was thinking. It incentivizes companies to build out trains because there's less risk that an airline might come in and scoop up all the customers.
I initially read the title as "Short Haul Fights", thinking that France had cracked down on bar brawling or something
Netherlands has very little commercial internal flights (if any), partially caused by the fact that Schiphol is right on top of the regular train network, the high speed line towards Rotterdam and Belgium, and has connections to basically every public transport in Amsterdam.
Considering how bad is to fly from Schiphol … even if trains weren’t as good (they are) I would try to avoid that airport regardless
Meanwhile Singapore's main airport (Changi) & its now-cancelled HSR station are at opposite ends of the country/city. There were plans to extend the HSR further, all the way to the airport, but neighbouring Malaysia (to which the HSR would have connected to) probably would've been worried that that'd divert its people living in the southern areas e.g. Johor, which is nearest to Singapore, away frm Kuala Lumpur's airport & to Singapore's instead
“everyones least favorite thing, France”
-least british man.
A good solution might be to connect airports directly to the high-speed train network
Why would you do that? Train stations are in the city centers and airports are outside the city
@@Ry_TSG just... connect the airports into that network to get into cities too...?
@@Ry_TSG There's a good video on TH-cam about why you would do that. Just click refresh on your browser.
Paris CDG and Lyon LYS are directly connected to the high-speed train network, Rennes RNS, Bordeaux BOD, Nantes NTE and Marseille MRS are less than 30 minutes away from the high-speed networl. Paris ORY is less connected
@@chitlitlah yeah because clicking refresh is gonna make that exact video come up
I live in a city in the Netherlands of about 10k people, there are trains direct to Schiphol every 30 minutes and even more if you take a connecting train from the nearest big cities (Rotterdam and Den Haag)
Paris airport actually has a high speed train station under it that can take you to any city in France so it's not bad at all
What do you do during the seemingly incessant rail strikes in France?
Theres actaully a surprising amount of direct flights from Manchester to the United States
well Manchester Intl is the third busiest in the UK after Gatwick and Heathrow
@@RussianWonder29 I hate how Manchester is considered the second city, Brum (Birmingham) needs to be put on the map, we’re a much bigger city, and the West Midlands Conurbation is bigger than Merseyside-Manchester.
@@oppionatedindividual8256 yup..
@@RussianWonder29 I don’t like you ellipsis mate
@@oppionatedindividual8256 sorry was not meant to be mean haha, actually I do agree with you.
Yes Manchester and Liverpool are more popular, maybe because of football and music, but Birmingham deserves more attention for sure
Another problem for the traveller is that by the time you have collected your luggage and gone through customs, the last train for the evening has already gone. You need to find a hotel room (and factor that into your carbon footprint) and continue to your destination the next day by train.
Charles de Gaulle has very good transportation links (right on the LGV network) with trains from Brussels to Marseille/Nice (busiest domestic flight corridor in France currently) stopping there. Short haul flight bans are perfect only if the included airports have great rail links by the terminal including frequent services from competing rail companies. I'm all for them but they're never done right as you can still fly the short French domestic distances if its a connecting flight.
In a few years, the new high speed train will open up, and it'll actually be faster to take the train than a plane in Japan. It's supposed to go from Tokyo to Osaka in about an hour. It'll just be between Tokyo and Nagoya at first though (perfect for me since I live in Nagoya though 😁).
There is no way it'll be cheap though.
@@appa609 They haven't officially said the prices yet, but the estimates are a few thousand yen more than the current high speed train, so something like 13,000 yen or so between Nagoya and Tokyo probably.
Out of curiosity, I checked how long a train would take from my city (Gdansk) to Warsaw, the distance is similar to London-Manchester and.... it's over 4 hours and 30 minutes on a regular day, our train network isn't that good :/
Similarly - one hour flight from Helsinki to Oulu in Finland. Train in the winter anywhere between 6-8 hours. Or more depending on weather. Living abroad, when I visit Oulu, you know exactly how I choose to get there.
You should see the US. They don’t have any passenger trains. Only in New York
@@EchelonIV I looked up the train and for some reason, that 6 hour train ride is a regional train so I don’t think it was meant for long-distances
@@MrStark-up6fi the fastest train we have is the Pendolino (lines start with the letter S), which is relatively light compared to other trains. It's meant for high speeds but given the not-so-mild conditions of the Finnish winter it just simply can't deliver similar speeds as in central Europe. Most people anyway use heavier (IC) trains which are even slower because of the mass. Honestly traveling between the south and the north is most convenient with an overnight train if one does not choose to fly. EDIT: also, ironically, the prices for flying and taking the rain can be almost the same.
Can't wait for the series of 3rd channel videos "riding an electric bike to manchester in the fewest stops"
100 percent positive french politicians will still fly their private jets to go any where.
Don’t know if I can trust a video about banning short flights if the video is sponsored by planes. I think there is a conflict of interest here lol.
darn, I'll make up a sponsor with less conflict of interest next time. Video sponsored by the environment?
Ban on all flights within Europe is ridiculous. Imagine having to take a train all the way from London to Yekaterinburg, Russia. Europe may seem small but, from one edge to the other, the travel time by train is still quite unreasonable, especially for regular travel.
The good thing about these short-flight bans is the fact that it sets a precedent for future flights to be banned when the rail network is sufficiently expanded
Some people (like me) will not be taking trains no matter what, so to me there is no good to it
in austria you can go directly from Vienna Intl. Airport to Vienna Main Railway Station, St. Pölten, Linz, Salzburg, Innsbruck and Bregenz (6/9 regional capitals) by high speed rail without changing trains. For the other 3 you just change in Vienna.
Just toycat ignoring the fact that all large first world airports have train stations built in, usually for city metro and regional rail lines, so short haul connecting flights (that will run 2-3 times a day) are pointless and a waste of their passengers' time when they could take a train that comes every 30 mins.
I can't figure out how to message you directly but here's an idea for a video... double landlocked countries. Which countries can't reach an ocean without going through two other countries? And are there any unifying characteristics? Boom! Solid channel content.
Liechtenstein & Uzbekistan. That's it.
There is also the factor that for transport, the deivce has to be at the station, ie a plane to get on. So sometimes you get to move a unused plane from an airport to another one where needed. aka a short flight. So banning them would just be banning tickets for those flights... Also short flights for airports with better maintenance resources
its never about the environment its about control
That can make train fare go up because the train companies will have a monopoly
the pronunciation of Nantes is killing me
France: Making train tickets cheaper? Non.
Its funny how i watch this channel more than his main channel
You can take a regular direct high speed train from Brussels Zaventem Airport and Amsterdam Schiphol Airport, also stopping in the city centre of Brussels and Amsterdam (and also Antwerp and Rotterdam). No issue at all for the consumer.
There are 2 airports in Paris. So you can still go to paris in plane from Bordeaux. Very useful.
The infrastructure is there to offer direct AMS-BRU high speed trains as both airports are pretty much on the line the high speed trains between Brussels and Amsterdam take, some Thalys already stop at one of the two airports. You could actually replace those flights with trains that take less than 2.5 hours.
The problem with the argument that "air travel is good competition for the railways" is that it hinges around the premise that the railways should be run for-profit rather than as a public service. The sheer infrastructure requirements for rail versus air should tell you all you need to know about which mode is going to make more money for private enterprises. Even on-rail competition between different train operators doesn't work, the best and only thing you can do to offer a good and useful service is to drive it with politics and democracy rather than free market competition.
So if your high speed railway is state owned or subsidised (like SNCF), the last thing you want is all your peak time super-commuters on six figure salaries flying in to the office every day, when they could be putting a nice healthy first class ticket in to offset the cost of grandma going to the shops on a Saturday morning.
Aviation has a lot of infrastructure requirements also but its less visible as its more in the form of software instead of hardware e.g. PAPI, VOR, DME, ILS, ATIS, ACARS & a myriad of other air traffic control systems/protocols/equipment
French People Everyday: Its 9am, time to protest.
At 5pm, time to surrender.
The fact that everything he’s saying is wrong bc connecting short haul flights aren’t banned…
This might backfire when lobbyists lobby to slow down trains in order to make these trips take longer... well, thats what would happen in the USA at least. 🙃
It has happened many times in the US. America, being the car-loving country it is, has removed almost all passenger trains across the country except for the Northeast in order to force people to own a car in order to live decently (and when you need a car to live, the car companies get richer)
The german approach sounds sensible, but really, it's silly if you take the German train network into account. Sure, the connection might be comparable, but the chances of actually arriving are... probably 25/75 in favor of not arriving (or with a several hour delay probably). I'd even rather get a car than rely on the train network here
That’s exactly what China has done 3 years ago …. Why has nobody reported on it ? But China has the most extensive high speed rail in the world and we don’t in Europe.
Taking the plane in China was really inconvenient even before HSR though. Because there’s lots of military airspace where commercial planes can’t fly a plane trip between cities that should been direct was very circuitous and annoying
The HSR is pretty cool but tickets are really expensive so a lot of people take sleeper regular speed trains instead
Because France is an incredible country and China is China 🤣
I think you should just get a big brown dog at this point...
Haha
I'd say this could also incentivize improvement of train networks in the long run...if the governments were actively investing in interconnecting their regions.
Raising taxes for flights doesn’t make train ride cheaper, rather planes more expensive. The price of trains remain the same*
Well, in Texas it takes the train 9 hours to cover 340 kilometers from Austin to Dallas. No plane ban here.
Banning flights from Nantes, Bordeaux and Lyon to Orly would wipe them off the map? Well, joke's on you Toycat: all three of those cities have direct high-speed trains to CDG where all long-haul flights depart from. In this case the train takes you directly to your onward flight while the plane takes you to another airport 1.5 hours away by public transport :p
the thing is (as an airport employee) rich people rarely wait in lines, at my airport we have a subtle sticker that bypasses the security and customs lines so that rich people or anyone in business class can just skip the lines and walk right to the front. when airports work like this, you can show up 20 mins prior to gate closing if your going carry on only
From what I’ve heard, waiting in line at bag check-ins and security aren’t even taking as long as usual anymore
Perhaps the solution to the connecting flight point with short-haul flight bans is to do it like this: You cannot book a flight that is less than X time by Y alternate means of travel, or you cannot book a flight that is less than X physical distance over land, if it is not part of a longer connecting flight ticket with the same airline. It would still inconvenience deal hunters who book different legs of their journey with different airlines, but those people are gambling with the completion of their journey anyway because the second airline is not liable to adjust your ticket if you're late because of the first airline's error.
Round about solution: connect the smaller communities via other major hubs, such as Amsterdam to Rennes
A short haul flight ban is like banning plastic straws. Banning then sounds good, and it looks effective to the public, but it does little in actually solving the global problem.
Also, while it might have merit in the EU, try implementing the policy in Alaska, where many settlements are only accessable by air or sea, or Hawaii, with cities on different islands. How would one travel from London to Belfast if not by plane?
wait does this count for the euro airport near basel but located in france?
My goals are beyond your understandingz
5 of the most in demand/highest volume flights
this is why trains should connect with airports ideally
In Slovakia we don't even have flights between the capital and the second biggest city in the country....and it takes 6 hours by train :)
French trains are great.
Surely if they were that great, the government wouldn't have to ban the flights!?
Great at being late.
@@alexpotts6520 surly ibxtoycat explained why it might sometimes be useful fir stopovers?
@@PrimoDraconis that’s the US for ya
@@MrStark-up6fi Yeah, pretty much. 😅
If banning the short flights creates inconveniences, then there will be a clear need to have quick and efficient connector trains between train stations and airports. If the inconvenience causes those to be built, it will ultimately improve things.
You can still take short flights as a part of a connection. It would be interesting to hear your thought on the *actual* policy, because I think you missed this point.
We are only here to please the algorithm
Congrats France
This is why I’m a pilot in the US. We will never have the infrastructure to take my job 😂
Bet that is only for the peasants and not the rich
Klarna is actually a huge payment provider also in Germany, and I think in Austria
There are some places a decent amount of intercity trains at the airport, which is needed for this to work. Otherwise flights would go further away hubs (Nantes to say Madrid connect for Madrid to Paris).
Apparently pre COVID France had an expansive network that would have been impacted.
It's easy to do when your country has an enviable high speed rail network.
I've read a bunch of articles on how suburbs and rural areas should be forcefully depopulated so I suspect it's a feature not a bug from the perspective of the banner.
That’s terrifying. Forced depopulation.
They only want to depopulate suburbs and rural areas to remove people from their cars or to get rid of car dependency
@@MrStark-up6fi but people still want to live in suburbs and rural areas and drive cars. You can’t force your will onto other people
@@KanyeTheGayFish69 the ploblem he has is how inefficient and expensive American suburbs are. I think the suburbs should be phrased out or improved
@@TheAmericanCatholic I don’t care what you think, I’m never leaving the suburbs for a lesser quality of life in a dirty crowded city.
England sobbing rn
With the Elizabeth Line in London open now, at least it wouldn't take a full hour to get from central London to Heathrow anymore!
Heathrow express?
@@hugge-ve5gu Well that's rather expensive and only gets you to Paddington
It's crazy my family drove from London to a town near Manchester and wasn't that long probably 3.5 hours and its like half the country but from my home town and drive the same amount time I barely leave my state in Australia lol
"Could be made in 2.5 hours" usually doesn't mean it is made in 2.5 hours, sometimes, depending of where you need to go, a domestic flight costs the same or less than a train, but it doesn't take a whole day...
Of course not taking a luggage under consideration, that's one of the big pros for trains🤷🏼♀️.
There is in France an especially strong disdain from the capital city to any other city, even major ones : every single decision has ALWAYS to be about Paris, no matter how counterproductive it might be...not much of a change since 1789.
This doesn't prevent other french city from receiving international flights they will just no longer come from Paris. This kind of change is absolutely needed, we have to priorities between acting upon global warming and making France less centralised. Will this change alone affect global warming? Of course not, but at the same time we can't fight global warming if we don't do these small changes.
@@artimist0315 Globally less flights, the ones remaining more evenly reparted... Sounds good to me.
Don't allow people to book short-haul flights when that is the entire journey
Allow them as connecting flights as part of a larger itinerary
It is what France is doing.
As long as I can still fly from England to Paris, I'm fine...
It's just a 30 minute tram ride, you practically never have to wait more than 5 minutes for one to turn up at the tram station, and they idle at the station for 15 minutes, then head into Manchester. There's also a train station at Manchester Airport in case you need to leave Manchester and go elsewhere in the UK that might not be important a place enough to justify putting an aiport anywhere near. Of course there's also taxi ranks and car rental places...
CDG Airport is already served by TGV, so requiring passengers to switch to rail probably wouldn't impact travel times in these domestic flights.
now most likely american tourists are going to go to London, Madrid, Milan, Munich, and then take and Air France flight to Nantes
I don't mind, I never take a plane. I ride my bike instead. I do know why they did this. They earn a lot more on train tickets. Very expensive to take TGV.
I live just out side of NYC, and looked at taking the train to connect to the airport, and its closed. Flights can be canceled, but not closed for weeks.
AirTrain JFK Red towards Jamaica - Airport
AIRTRAIN STATION 1 & 2 TEMPORARILY CLOSED
AirTrain Station 1 & 2 is closed until mid-November, 2022, as part of the construction of the New Terminal One. During this period, shuttle bus service is running between terminals 1, 2 and 8. Allow extra travel time. Shuttle buses will make curbside stops at the following locations: Terminal 1 Arrivals and Departures, Terminal 2 Arrivals, Terminal 8 Arrivals Airport Customer Service Representatives will be stationed along the route to provide information and assist passengers with their baggage at each stop.
Port Authority of NY & NJ
Exactly: Ban flights. I guarantee you that if the rich people need to take those trains they'll be fixed quickly.
In the US, my personal limit is probably 5 hours. If I can drive there in 5 hours, I definitely don't want to fly because flying is such an ordeal. 5-10 is debatable. I'd probably still lean toward driving. 12 or more is generally going to be a flight, unless it's a long trip and I will want to have my car. It does make me wish we had a better train network here. It would be nice if they could at least work on high speed regional networks, and maybe make connections between regions later. I've ridden on a train from Ann Arbor to Chicago and back and I could have gotten there just as quickly if I drove.
MAAAAAAAAPSSSSSSSS WOOO. I will stop what I am doing to watch these second channel videos. Still unsure what the first channel is.
There's a key thing here, people would rather go through the hassle of an airport then go on a train.
In Germany train travel has gotten worse, you can look online just to see that most Germans agree that the state of rail travel has gotten to a pretty bad point. Germany's approach is ultimately a cope out, they know they can't ban short hall flights because their train services would not be be able to deal with it, but by saying their going to tax it allows them to say there are doing 'green approaches'.
Regardless of how cheap you make tickets if the trains don't run of time, even a cheap ticket is not worth the money.
Yeah I heard about the problems their rail network is facing. Judging by the US, the auto industry is probably bribing the government or the rail company itself to make their trains slower or less frequent and more expensive
Brussels to Amsterdam is a cycle ride. Not worth planeing
Atlas shrugged wasn’t fiction
The fact that your hair is detached from the rest of the head looks kind of creepy.
Don't forget flight delays or cancellations.
damn enviornment! causing me minor inconveniences once again!
You should write a letter of compliant to the president of the World Greta Thunburg
7:15 I generally prefer to walk. (it takes only 2 days.)
(I can't ride a bike tbh.)
Train boarding is easier and faster mainly because of numbers. If too many people start taking it it will become slow as plane boarding.
That was the most American way of thinking ever. We are from every where in Europe lol
We need more train and busses that go to airports
These flights only make sense for connecting passengers.
Well, Norway kind of depends on short haul flights...
Short landing strips on random islands etc...
We're throwing tons of money on trying to develop electric short haul passenger airplanes...
Well that makes sense because the rail network there focuses on the mainland and the roads are not connected to the roads on the islands and ships are slow and probably expensive
@@MrStark-up6fi Look up the Atlantic road.
Essentially most islands etc with a sizable population got road access.
But at the same time planes are a *lot* faster, given that roads have to deal with the terrain here.
Even with huge number of bridges and tunnels we still have to take detours at times to get where we want.
While planes can go pretty much in a straight line, ignoring fjords and mountains.
I don't remember the exact statistic.
But in some way or other Norwegians where more similar to the UK then other small nations when it came to passenger flights.
"Everyone's least favorite things in the world is France" said the brits lmao
rules for thee and not for me! why ban domestic short haul flights for regular people but not unnecessary short haul private jet flights for the elites?
Pretty sure France already banned those years ago.
just take the flixbus from slooterdijk to zavetum
Egg ham
lol the way you say Marseille
If they passed this law in Canada there would be 0 affected flights
I think flight bans make somewhat sense, but just taxing them more is enough, especially with the increasingly common airport stations for long distance trains which appear on europe, for example it is very common to take the train from salzburg/Linz to Vienna airport (its a direct train) and then transfer the plane, I think you can even give up your luggage in salzburg and linz already and dont have to worry about that
Solution... Export the Japanize maglev technology to the rest of the word!!
If england is a nanny state you know who to blame 1066...
so basically they just cant sell repositioning seats
Me when he says Fr*nce: 🤮
Stop French bashing it's not fun anymore.
Brussels is within two hours by train from Paris.
Also the trains aren't that good yet and they are already widely used so do they have enough train infrastructure to hold all of these people
look up the shortest flight between two islands in Scotland
That flight used to be my uncle's commute!
The USA couldn't do this, our train service is horrible, some routes are once daily, and station parking is nearly nonexistent. Besides the train cost is exorbitant.
If I visit someone and look at travel options, and factor in flight waste time, such as check in, security, parking, driving to the airport, ifthe car is a hour more I'll still drive and have a free schedule.
Besides the stops are inconveniently located, I think Iowa has just 3, some states have none.