Catching up with your Pendragon reviews. :) A couple of comments: 1) Fumbles are 20s, not 1s. A minor point, but I figured to make it anyway. 2) When it comes to traits and passions, it is values of 16+ that are the mandatory ones you have to follow no matter what. Here is what we do in our group: 16+: You always act this way. If you want to go against it, you have to fail in the roll. Check the opposite trait or -1 Passion. 5-15: If it is a normal situation, you can choose. Roll the trait or passion, and if you succeed, get a check. If you fumble, you have to do the opposite trait and check it. 0-4: The opposite trait is the dominant one. See 16+. You have to fail in that first before you can act in this way. If it is a trait/passion test, then you have to roll regardless of your value, and then roll the opposite trait if you failed in the first trait. You follow the trait you succeed in and get a check. If you fail both, you get to choose. That being said, I have seen people play it the same way that you described it, with every trait conflict resolved with dice, and the Player only choosing if both traits fail. The only issue I have with that is that it somewhat cheapens the 'negative' in high traits and passions, the mandatory aspect of having to follow them all the time. I admit, the rules are a bit unclear about the 'correct way' of using the trait rolls.
The "Great Pendragon Campaign" adds a lot...building up to the final battle over about two years of play makes the end of the campaign momentous and moving. ... And thanks for making me think of Pendragon, too!
@@danwells9305 my Pendragon game has started again, this time with 2 new players and 2 from the old campaign. We're right in the 530s getting close to the 540s. Looking forward to play the slow but sure decline of the kingdom starting to creep up
The dynastic play, playing the family, as well as the knights being part of the social fabric of their setting rather than wandering murder-hoboes is one of the main draws of Pendragon for me. There is simply so much richness in the family backgrounds, and there are so many opportunities for callbacks, as the NPKs remember the fallen heroes as well, etc. Or the ability to get help from a certain knight because your Grandfather helped his father once, or because his wife happens to be your wife's cousin...
In general, 5.2 is compatible with most 5.0 stuff and even most 4.0 stuff. The only really big differences in my opinion are the costs of the manor stuff, and between 5.2 and 5 those are mostly unchanged.
Very easily. The core system itself is almost unchanged from the 1st edition. It would still be possible to pick a 1E adventure and more or less play as is. The PKs have become a bit more powerful, and the Glory system has been overhauled since the 1E, but anything from 3E to 5.2 is pretty much usable straight from the box. There are some minor rules changes and clarifications, and like Dan said, the manors got changed a bit, but even there the change is mainly in the accounting. The old manor was £6 which was enough for the knight and his family and his squire and all the horses. The new manor is £10, of which £6 goes to the knight and the family etc as before, £1 is for the knight to spend, and £3 goes for various underlings that didn't come into the accounting before. So in practice, the change is from "1 manor = enough for the knight and the family to live on" to "1 manor = as before + extra £1 to spend". You might wish to post further questions on the Pendragon forum: basicroleplaying.org/forum/68-pendragon-prince-valiant/
You can call it "... a Round Table game" but very seldomly do the player characters reach such an elevated station as to be chosen for The Round Table of Arthur's Camelot. Anyway, a good review! Thanks.
@@danwells9305 Yes, totally depends on the GM. And since nepotism is part of the setting and even socially encouraged, once you get your bottom on the seat, it is easier for your son and your grandson to claim your vacant seat. :) In any case, if the PKs manage to survive the Battles of the Boy King Period, in particular Badon Hill, the odds are looking good. Especially if they cover themselves with Glory from the Roman War as well. It is much harder to qualify during the Romance and the Tournament Periods, as the Table is already filled and there are many fewer openings since there are no big wars.
21:00 in your opinion, couldnt you just directly port the Personality Trait into dnd just to add to the roleplay? Haven't played Pendragon yet but you explaining it doesn't seem too complicated to homebrew in DnD
Kind of just think female players might be able to get on board with playing male characters to fit the setting. If there was a wonder woman game where we were meant to all be Amazons, I'd understand I'd be playing a female character. Very odd.
Catching up with your Pendragon reviews. :)
A couple of comments:
1) Fumbles are 20s, not 1s. A minor point, but I figured to make it anyway.
2) When it comes to traits and passions, it is values of 16+ that are the mandatory ones you have to follow no matter what. Here is what we do in our group:
16+: You always act this way. If you want to go against it, you have to fail in the roll. Check the opposite trait or -1 Passion.
5-15: If it is a normal situation, you can choose. Roll the trait or passion, and if you succeed, get a check. If you fumble, you have to do the opposite trait and check it.
0-4: The opposite trait is the dominant one. See 16+. You have to fail in that first before you can act in this way.
If it is a trait/passion test, then you have to roll regardless of your value, and then roll the opposite trait if you failed in the first trait. You follow the trait you succeed in and get a check. If you fail both, you get to choose.
That being said, I have seen people play it the same way that you described it, with every trait conflict resolved with dice, and the Player only choosing if both traits fail. The only issue I have with that is that it somewhat cheapens the 'negative' in high traits and passions, the mandatory aspect of having to follow them all the time.
I admit, the rules are a bit unclear about the 'correct way' of using the trait rolls.
The "Great Pendragon Campaign" adds a lot...building up to the final battle over about two years of play makes the end of the campaign momentous and moving. ... And thanks for making me think of Pendragon, too!
Our group fell apart before we got to the end, but we hope to get back to it someday.
@@danwells9305 it's a huge campaign, truly an endeavor, so no shame. I did 30 years in my last go and I was already quite happy about it
@@griselame 30+ sessions is already longer than most campaigns seem to last
@@danwells9305 yup we have plans to get back to it one of these days. I hope so
@@danwells9305 my Pendragon game has started again, this time with 2 new players and 2 from the old campaign. We're right in the 530s getting close to the 540s. Looking forward to play the slow but sure decline of the kingdom starting to creep up
Normally I see you on Intentionally Blank, and here you are reviewing an RPG I'm interested in! Even the internet is a small world.
Have you ever played Paladin? and could you please do a review?
I return here and am so pleased at how good you sir, explain the game. Well done! Keep up your pedagogic ways. They truly help the understanding.
Great stuff, sir! Pendragon is also one of my favorites. Game on!
The dynastic play, playing the family, as well as the knights being part of the social fabric of their setting rather than wandering murder-hoboes is one of the main draws of Pendragon for me. There is simply so much richness in the family backgrounds, and there are so many opportunities for callbacks, as the NPKs remember the fallen heroes as well, etc. Or the ability to get help from a certain knight because your Grandfather helped his father once, or because his wife happens to be your wife's cousin...
Hey Dan, great video. Just a quick question, how different is the 5th edition to the 5.2? Can I safely use the supplements from 5th on my 5.2 game?
In general, 5.2 is compatible with most 5.0 stuff and even most 4.0 stuff. The only really big differences in my opinion are the costs of the manor stuff, and between 5.2 and 5 those are mostly unchanged.
Very easily. The core system itself is almost unchanged from the 1st edition. It would still be possible to pick a 1E adventure and more or less play as is. The PKs have become a bit more powerful, and the Glory system has been overhauled since the 1E, but anything from 3E to 5.2 is pretty much usable straight from the box.
There are some minor rules changes and clarifications, and like Dan said, the manors got changed a bit, but even there the change is mainly in the accounting. The old manor was £6 which was enough for the knight and his family and his squire and all the horses. The new manor is £10, of which £6 goes to the knight and the family etc as before, £1 is for the knight to spend, and £3 goes for various underlings that didn't come into the accounting before. So in practice, the change is from "1 manor = enough for the knight and the family to live on" to "1 manor = as before + extra £1 to spend".
You might wish to post further questions on the Pendragon forum:
basicroleplaying.org/forum/68-pendragon-prince-valiant/
Where did you get that awesome character sheet
beautiful game indeed, "elegant" is the term I always use when trying to explain what KAP is about
You can call it "... a Round Table game" but very seldomly do the player characters reach such an elevated station as to be chosen for The Round Table of Arthur's Camelot. Anyway, a good review! Thanks.
That is true! Though I suppose it depends on how big of a softie your GM is :)
@@danwells9305 Yes, totally depends on the GM. And since nepotism is part of the setting and even socially encouraged, once you get your bottom on the seat, it is easier for your son and your grandson to claim your vacant seat. :) In any case, if the PKs manage to survive the Battles of the Boy King Period, in particular Badon Hill, the odds are looking good. Especially if they cover themselves with Glory from the Roman War as well. It is much harder to qualify during the Romance and the Tournament Periods, as the Table is already filled and there are many fewer openings since there are no big wars.
21:00 in your opinion, couldnt you just directly port the Personality Trait into dnd just to add to the roleplay? Haven't played Pendragon yet but you explaining it doesn't seem too complicated to homebrew in DnD
I do for all the games I play in to "role" play th character.
So the rules don’t give a list of things to do to be honorable?
You have not been very active!
Kind of just think female players might be able to get on board with playing male characters to fit the setting. If there was a wonder woman game where we were meant to all be Amazons, I'd understand I'd be playing a female character. Very odd.